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Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: James S on May 27, 2004, 22:12:13
When I married my new wife, my ex was convinced that she was the devil incarnate. Would that be an evil marriage?

[:D]
James.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Lighthouse on May 27, 2004, 23:39:37
James...

Definitely!!

K


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Taalnar on May 28, 2004, 12:53:08
I wouldn't call it evil, but I think it should be a separate from the Marriage Act (applicable where you live).  Perhaps they could have a Gay Marriage Act instead of having to change the whole definition of the Marriage Act.

Do that and you don't have to worry about the whole homo, hetero thing.  Since its all kept separate and more people would be happy.

I was very surprised actually to hear Massechusets being the first state in the US to do it being bible belt heartland and all.  I was thinking maybe Texas? j/k


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Sentential on May 28, 2004, 14:18:51
lol.... I figured this sorta topic would be brought up. Seeing that Im in an enlightened forum, Ill will share my true feelings.

Homosexuality is a desease <no seriously>. From what my guide tells me and what Ive seen, they have no control over it.

It happens at birth when the soul is awakened. Sometimes with many things, mistakes happen. A male / female genered soul is put into the wrong body.

It is by no means evil. If anything we should show our condolences that they have such a horrible and sad disease. I honestally think they should have gay marriages. From what my guide tells me, there is nothing wrong with it. Marriage's primary goal is to create soulmates. If its between two homos, so be it, in death it wont matter. You wont see me losing sleep over it.

Our concern should lie with children and not with this BS. Ive seen soo many of my friends who are quite talented individuals ruin their lives because they lack guidence. Lets fix that problem first.

Plus... Ive seen the faces of pure evil b4. It wasnt gay lol


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Sentential on May 28, 2004, 19:05:20
You are right... disease may be too harsh of a word. Still... I dunno what to say. I dont sense any malace from gay marriage. There are *plenty* of things that I am far more worried about than that.

BTW.... like the Catholic's have a right to call gay's evil.. lol. Thats the perfect example of "The pot calling the kettle, black". Once their get their preists in order.. then they can talk[^]


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Moonburn33 on May 28, 2004, 19:12:11
Taalnar-  the supreme courts (massachusetts and federal) are of the opinion that separate has never meant or been equal.  that is why there isn't a separate statute concerning homosexual couples.

Sentential- homosexuality was considered a disease at one time.  it took the psychological community until the 1980's to amend their list of mental illnesses to remove homosexuality from that list.  in order for it to be considered a disease it would have to exhibit a maladaptive quality- which is clearly not the case.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Sentential on May 28, 2004, 19:18:37
Ah... but it does have a life long effect that *is* dehibilating. They will never have children that are of their own. From a mental standpoint its almost like being steril in both body and soul. Thats why I consider it a disease <still too strong of a word>

However by no means is it wrong or shameful. I think they should join society like everyone else.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: holy reality on May 28, 2004, 19:28:12
but there are too many children on this planet, widespread of acceptance of homosexuality might actually help save the world if you think about it.....

besides, not everyone wants to have kids, and gay peopel can adopt unwanted kids, which helps the world too, you know, throw a kid in a dumpster? Well... you could just give him to someone who would be more than willing to lovingly take care of him.

(this doesn't mean i'm anti-abortion but I do prefer adoption)

and separate but equal is stupid, it's a way of us saying that our "marriage" is still superior to yours, it creates "us" and "THEM" and it pits the uses and thems against each other.

Imagine how it would feel to be in love with someone and you konw, you believe in marriage due to the way you were raised, and you want nothing more than to declare your undying love with this person by marrying him/her but society not only says "no" they say "THAT'S WRONG, THAT'S EVIL, IT RUINS THE SANCTITY OF MARRIAGE" your loving relationship RUINS the sanctity of marriage, you can't marry, we don't want anything to do with you at all, but you can have civil unions

that is hurtful, and wrong, and stupid, and intolerant.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Sentential on May 28, 2004, 19:35:18
Thats a very good point. Personally I think they are too scared to break a tradition, or admit that marriage and spirituality as a whole is dying off


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Moonburn33 on May 28, 2004, 20:22:13
so do you still think that it's a disease sentential?


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Sentential on May 28, 2004, 20:38:46
Let me re-phrase, my guide has given me a more sutible term. He suggests that I use "mutation" instead of disease to get my point across.
The way I vew it is that it is a unusual attribute or symptom that has *definable* effects and is widespread within a population, that does *not* normally show such traits.

I also consider psionic ability a mutation

Personally I think homosexuality as a sad mishap where the soul's gender is mixed up upon birth, or by subconscious choice. I dont think its anything someone can control, like psionic abilities. You either have em or you dont. There is no real middle ground.

But idk... pay no attention to me. I know so little.

Souls lack gender as a whole, so it could be technically be perfectally normal under certian circumstances. It all depends on how people are incarnated.

Everything has its purpose in life. Homosexual or not, we all are here to help each other. Calling someone "evil" on the basis of sexuality is absurd.

Ive seen evil.... pure evil has no gender or sexuality.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Moonburn33 on May 28, 2004, 21:04:25
animals as a kingdom of nature engage in homosexual activitities.  even if they didn't- i still wouldn't have a problem with this issue.  which brings me to the point i wanted to make.  We evolve, as a species, by mutation it's how everything developed- which is why i don't think that it's a "sad mishap".  homosexuality has been with us for thousands of years- i think that this mutation is an advantageous trait or, at the very least, one that does not endanger the humans with the trait.  if it did it wouldn't have been passed on.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Sentential on May 28, 2004, 21:13:11
quote:
i think that this mutation is an advantageous trait or, at the very least, one that does not endanger the humans with the trait. if it did it wouldn't have been passed on.

hmmmm... I dunno. I dont see to get the feeling that my guide neccesarly aproves of it. They understand that sometime people can get confused.

Im not sure why homosexuality is heavily present in Humans... but I do find that odd. The animal kingdom has always been a good represenitive of ideal conditions.

But I really dont know. I think pplz should live out their lives to the best of their ability. IMO if you genuinely want to help mankind as a whole, reguarldess of your positions, you are "good" in my eyes.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Moonburn33 on May 29, 2004, 00:36:46
you should ask your guide to explain itself better- that way you can gain better perspective on the situation and gain a fuller understanding of where your guide is coming from


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Sentential on May 29, 2004, 02:03:34
I appologise. My connection to him is weak to protect me. I usually get images or phrases. Im in the process of listening harder


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Taalnar on May 29, 2004, 12:51:48
Hey guys I just realized something stupid in what I said.  I said that there should be a separate Gay Marriage Act.  I actually think this should be instituted immediately otherwise it could be said that there are no happy marriages.

Sorry that was cheap...[8)]


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Sentential on May 29, 2004, 16:03:09
I honestally dont know. I have enough of my own problems right now lol. If my guide werent so damned cryptic or apprehensive, I would say more. But I cannot get a decent comment out of him.

It's trying to pull the good ole "I dunno bro, its your damn problem, not mine. Im not getting involved"[xx(]


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: kiauma on May 29, 2004, 16:42:27
Pardon me for saying so Sentential, but it sounds to me like you are struggling to hear the answers from your guide.

"Homosexuality is a desease <no seriously>. From what my guide tells me and what Ive seen, they have no control over it.

It happens at birth when the soul is awakened. Sometimes with many things, mistakes happen. A male / female genered soul is put into the wrong body."


If you think about it, what you are saying here is that Divinity makes mistakes.  Do you really believe that Divinity makes mistakes?  Don't you think it is more likely that there is some higher purpose to these "mistakes"?

Sexuality, for whatever else it is, brings people together.  Difference tends to keep people apart, at least until they can get over their fears and learn to look past or even appreciate difference.  Put these together, and there is the potential for a lot of learning there.

Perhaps homosexuality is "mutated" into the spirit, but 'good' and 'bad' are highly subjective to the individual.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Sentential on May 29, 2004, 16:46:20
quote:
that Divinity makes mistakes. Do you really believe that Divinity makes mistakes?

Absolutly..... with free will nothing is ever perfect. This is the sacrifice they were willing to make for us to be free. Naturally they abhor from openly admiting this...



Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: kiauma on May 29, 2004, 16:48:20
With free will, we are always defining ourselves in perfect precision.  Whatever we think and do - we are.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Sentential on May 29, 2004, 16:50:21
Very true. Personally I feel its all about choices,or perhaps not. But all that really matters is if you are *truly* happy. If so, then all the merrier.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: kiauma on May 29, 2004, 16:53:53
Well, yes and no.

Happiness is a good guide, but a mighty poor destination.

Relating back to the topic, my wife believes in freely expressing all emotion, no matter the consequences of those around her.  For years I told her "I have a right to be happy", while she countered that she had "A right to be angry".

Our final compromise was that I would accept her occasional tirades, if she could accept that I would never take them seriously.  She did not like that.  That was 8 years ago, and she still does not like it - and we are happy.  [:)]


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Sentential on May 29, 2004, 16:59:42
I dunno... it all depends. There is a time for everything. I just think it is appaling how organized religion has effectively dissolved now.

Too many hipocrites and liars seeking to fuful their own adgenda. Especially since they have had no contact with some of the things the pplz on the forum have seen.

In my opinion.... How DARE they accuse one's salvation. Especially since they <most likely> havent experienced any angelic presense of any sorts.

If they did they would be far more understanding. Narrow minded people will be the death of this world.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: boydster on May 30, 2004, 19:32:07
It appears to me that after a soul has had a long string of embodiments as one gender, that they sometimes have a hard time switching over to the other gender ID for the next embodiment.

I don't think it's a mistake by the Divinity or anyone. In fact, the soul has agreed to inhabit a body of a different gender for the sake of soul growth opportuniities. It seems to be a matter of difficulties with changing ones habits and passions and preferences once you're in the game again that's happening.

I think that some souls probably choose homosexuality in order to experience the humbling effect of being a social victim. It's a legitimate need by some souls for long term growth. For others though, it probably is not the game plan they started out with. Just like most people don't plan to cheat on their marriage--passion and desire, unchecked, become the rule.

Homosexual sex appears to me to be kind of like pushing the positive ends of two magnets together instead of a positive and a negative. There is a repulsion effect which is overcome by the internal passions of those involved and a thrill is definitely experienced. In the long term though, I think it messes up the energy fields of those involved and they suffer in a number of debilitating ways.

It appears to be an extraordinarily difficult way to live. My heart goes out to those souls who are in pain from this situation.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: boydster on May 31, 2004, 03:18:06
quote:
Originally posted by runlola




boydster: I like what you said a lot! (http:///forums/uploaded/runlola/wave.gif)


Hey Runlola,

I love that scene at the end where Lola screams in the casino and makes the roulette wheel work for her!!


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Sentential on May 31, 2004, 04:52:41
Thankyou boydster for summing up what I could not lol.... I dunno I just couldnt find the right words, but you most certianly have.[8D]


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: jilola on May 31, 2004, 09:00:24
Boydster:
quote:
There is a repulsion effect which is overcome by the internal passions of those involved and a thrill is definitely experienced.

Strange thought. How would such a repulsion manifest itself?
Certainly you agree that many gay couples are extremely happy in their relationship, more so than many hetero couples.
Or do you refer to society's repulsion which is entirely based on the physical illusion and the prejudices of each society.

2cents & L&L
joun


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: kiauma on May 31, 2004, 11:35:05
"Homosexual sex appears to me to be kind of like pushing the positive ends of two magnets together instead of a positive and a negative. There is a repulsion effect which is overcome by the internal passions of those involved and a thrill is definitely experienced. In the long term though, I think it messes up the energy fields of those involved and they suffer in a number of debilitating ways."

Or, Boydster, it could be one of many otherwise benign and meanigless conditions that presents situations to allow others to expose their own rationalized prejudices - but hey, I'm just 'thinking' here too. [;)]


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: kiauma on May 31, 2004, 11:52:05
http://www.guidancetochangeyourlife.com/gaysoulmaking.html

http://www.iraniangaydoctors.com/gaysoul.htm

http://www.gayspiritvisions.org/

"http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1899171827/104-9378536-6549569?v=glance"





Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: kiauma on May 31, 2004, 17:47:32
I would be interested to hear his clarification.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: boydster on May 31, 2004, 20:53:42
quote:
Originally posted by kiauma

"Homosexual sex appears to me to be kind of like pushing the positive ends of two magnets together instead of a positive and a negative. There is a repulsion effect which is overcome by the internal passions of those involved and a thrill is definitely experienced. In the long term though, I think it messes up the energy fields of those involved and they suffer in a number of debilitating ways."

Or, Boydster, it could be one of many otherwise benign and meanigless conditions that presents situations to allow others to expose their own rationalized prejudices - but hey, I'm just 'thinking' here too. [;)]

Kiauma,

I can only give you my word; I have no axe to grind here. And, as you noticed, I carefully worded my statement as an opinion.

That said, my opinion is based on direct observation, not academic speculation. I'm not sure what you hoped to do with those links you published. I explored them all fairly thoroughly, and it would appear that you may have perceived me to have implied that gays are all soulless sinners who have no desire for or understanding of higher consciousness or constructive activities. I can assure you that I do not think that way.

When I meet a person for the first time and get to know them during a conversation, I see first a soul. I see that souls motivations in life, his burdens, his skills, his weaknesses. Next I begin to take note of the conditions which this particular soul is experiencing in this life, in this body and social situation they are currently in. I get grief from my wife and friends because after such an encounter, I'm completely clueless as far as that persons clothes, hair or eye color, nationality, etc., all the outer stuff is kind of lost on me, other than how those things reflect in the self image of that soul.

My point is that I'm quite beyond the kind of shallow, biased perspective you may be mistaking me for indulging in. As I said, I have no axe to grind with any group, except possibly with those who are wantonly destructive, such as organized crime, satanists or pedophiles who hurt and destroy children, etc... My goal in life is to help others find their highest spiritual path and to find peace and happiness.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: kiauma on May 31, 2004, 21:08:37
Yes, you worded it as an opinion, but as if to state it as fact you further qualified it in your clarification that there is no speculation involved, that you base it on "Direct observation."

Why specify that it is only your opinion, then further try to validate it as fact?  What a curious turn.  Honestly, if you feel it is fact, why don't you just say so?

Of course, that homosexuals suffer implicitly because of their homosexual unions is not a fact any more than heterosexual people suffer a plethora of mental, physical, spiritual, and energetic maladies in heterosexual unions implicitly because they are heterosexual unions.  Okay, there may be a couple exceptions in both cases - unwanted pregnancy being one, the stigma of homosexuality (by others or themselves) being another - which then makes it a toss up which situation causes more suffering, because what is inherint to one situation is impossible in the other, and vise versa.

My point is that I'm quite beyond the kind of shallow, biased perspective you may be mistaking me for indulging in.

I am often shallow and biased, and the bull still smells the same.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: boydster on May 31, 2004, 21:37:37
quote:
Originally posted by runlola

Boydster: "Homosexual sex appears to me to be kind of like pushing the positive ends of two magnets together instead of a positive and a negative. There is a repulsion effect which is overcome by the internal passions of those involved and a thrill is definitely experienced. In the long term though, I think it messes up the energy fields of those involved and they suffer in a number of debilitating ways."

In this case, I believe Boydster is referring to homosexual sex being experienced between two people who are actually heterosexuals. According to the book “Hands of Light” written by a psychic healer who can see the aura, women & men have different chakra activity that complements each other during sex and is very healthy for the energy body.

I don't see homosexuals and heterosexuals as being different. What I see are souls incarnated in bodies for the purpose of learning opportunities. And all of us souls are constantly making decisions. And there are consequences for every decision. We all have the same basic goal, reunion with our higher self and greater opportunities for growth and creative expression.

That said, my comments about gay love-making were meant to be a dispassionate description of the basic energy/physics of the phenomenon. I didn't mean it to be a commentary on rightness or wrongness.

As Runlola mentioned, men and women's physical/energetic bodies, the temporary housing for the soul, are different from each other, they are complementary, ergo my metaphor of the positive and negative ends of magnets and their behavior in proximity. We are made that way. Like it or not.

But people are much more than just the sum of their bodies, their animal passions and desires. There is the soul in there. And it's quite possible, actually common, for a soul to feel out of step with her surroundings, family, social status or sexual situation. This is because we jump from body to body, situation to situation in the process called reincarnation. So far, have I said anything un-PC? Hope not.

So the soul is the captain of the ship more or less. And if the soul decides, before birth, to change from being a male after 6 times in a row of being male, to a female, and then has a hard time adjusting to her own decision, does that sound a little bit like how some gay people describe their lives and their feelings?

As for the issue of gay sex, the body and energetic structures still are what they are. When two people of the same sex put their genitals together there isn't a very good match, physically or energy/polarity-wise. It doesn't mean that those two souls don't love each other, or that they can't be happy together. But energetically speaking, the activity of the chakras and their anchor points and influence in the physical body get eroded over time instead of the intended refreshment and complimentary activity noted in hetero bonding. It's like pushing an organ or body part to do something it was not designed to do--erosion and failure can happen, depending on the frequency of occurance and the overall vibrancy of the organism. I don't think it matters, as Runlola asked, whether the people involved are self defined gay or not--I see only souls inhabiting bodies experiencing the results of their decision. I don't see right or wrong unless someone without a choice is being harmed.

So now how am I doing on the PC scale?? Honestly, I'm just describing what I see.

As an aside, to tie this all in with the original post of this thread, I see the Catholic church as having a lot of problems. Calling people evil is a serious thing which I usually reserve for murderers and such. I think the institution still has to go on and do it duty to those who follow that path. But they need to fix their internal problems before they start legislating morality.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Nay on May 31, 2004, 22:05:29
I came back to this thread twice, thinking I might have  something else to contribute, but...naw, Boydster summed it up quite elequently..[:D]

Thanks ~ Nay [:)]



Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: kiauma on June 01, 2004, 00:53:39
I apologise Boydster.  I questioned you and your (still) unqualified statement that homosexuals "suffer in a number of debilitating ways" as a direct result of their sexual orientation, when it appears you are apparently a psycho-energetic Medium Guru of unprecedented caliber.  You even make the passivley aggressive implication that the basis of my comments are simply PC!  You have humbled me sir.  You have shamed me.  You haven't answered my points, nor have we even discussed my own knowledge on the subject, but you know you know better (prejudice) and never account for a persons outer appearence (bias), so actually sorting out particulars obviously isn't for the likes of one as high as yourself.

Perhaps I will find some real dialog with some of the other plebians, others more on my level.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: boydster on June 01, 2004, 03:09:33
quote:
Originally posted by runlola



Could a homosexual who looks & acts very much like the opposite sex also have the charka activity of the gender they identify with? Wouldn’t their minds influence their chakra activity? I have known some healthy homosexuals who seem to be the happiest people I have ever met. Why do you think they call it Gay?

Physical matter is certainly pliable and subject to our wills. Yes, the way we think affects our physical/energetic structure, for sure.

But even with gender changing operations there are still some things which are probably not changed. For instance, the energy channels along the spine are arranged differently in men and women. With men the Ida starts at the left of Sushumna (at the base chakra) and the Pingala on the right. From there they proceed upward in a distinctly ordered interwoven spiral up to the crown chakra. In women, the position is reversed, which makes for a different polarity. It seems doubtful that this type of basic circuitry can change very easily. And these kinds of structures do have an effect on our outer lives, our organs and glands and such.

As for whether gay people are happy or compassionate or whatever, I agree with you. I have personal friends who are gay and they are beautiful souls.

Please don't think that I'm trying to assert that gay people are all sick or sinful or somethinglike that. That's not my point at all.

I read an ongoing discussion where some people were discussing this issue. I felt that since this is a forum for ideas that I'd add my own. And I welcome debate.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: boydster on June 01, 2004, 03:34:56
quote:
Originally posted by kiauma

I apologise Boydster.  I questioned you and your (still) unqualified statement that homosexuals "suffer in a number of debilitating ways" as a direct result of their sexual orientation, when it appears you are apparently a psycho-energetic Medium Guru of unprecedented caliber.  You even make the passivley aggressive implication that the basis of my comments are simply PC!  You have humbled me sir.  You have shamed me.  You haven't answered my points, nor have we even discussed my own knowledge on the subject, but you know you know better (prejudice) and never account for a persons outer appearence (bias), so actually sorting out particulars obviously isn't for the likes of one as high as yourself.

Perhaps I will find some real dialog with some of the other plebians, others more on my level.


Kiauma,

Obviously I can't prove anything to anyone by typing something on a keyboard. We're all expressing opinions here. It's the nature of a forum. It's implicit, or did I miss something? If some guy says, "I had my first OBE last night!!", do you say, "prove it"?

Everything that I've expressed here on this subject is a product of my personal observations and interior reflexion, not medical studies, not polls, no proof. As to answering your challenges, I did the best I could. If I failed, then sorry.

I would point out though that everyone involved is pretty even keeled except you. Your last couple of posts resembled emotion-filled personal attacks.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: kiauma on June 01, 2004, 13:54:45
Your last couple of posts resembled emotion-filled personal attacks.

Sorry you take it that way.

Where I am coming from is the rather trite but personally held beliefs that being good is not causing others to feel bad, and that we create our own worlds.  While I do not expect blessings, your attitude, which I take to be reflected in your words, as applying to homosexuality in general, implies the impossibility of the redemption of homosexuals because, to use a slightly different wording, it is against nature - the energy structures are 'repulsed'.  

If my words sound strong, it is because you appear deaf to what you are saying, and the implications of what you are saying.  No, it is you that is repulsed, and you cannot see it.

Yes, men and women have energy structure differences - so does a violinist and a chef.  This is far more complex than a simple yes-or-no it-fits-or-it-don't question - far more complex - and no one needs yet another voice (like out of the past) complicating and obstructing these people from finding out who they really are, and finding joy in who they really are.

These days 'homosexual' is a loaded word, loaded with stigma and preconcieved notions about what it is and why it is so.  Let me give you another word Boydster, 'Negro'.  Not long ago, that word too was loaded with connotations, like 'nature' had place these people below the white man in evolution, that God had put him there to serve the white man.   Now, it simply means a black man - a human being who is black.  I look forward to the day when 'homosexual' is also stripped of superstition and ignorance - the day when it simply refers to a persons sexual orientation.

Of course, that is just my opinion.  That is just my hope.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: boydster on June 03, 2004, 02:44:39
quote:
Originally posted by kiauma

I apologise Boydster.  I questioned you and your (still) unqualified statement that homosexuals "suffer in a number of debilitating ways" as a direct result of their sexual orientation, when it appears you are apparently a psycho-energetic Medium Guru of unprecedented caliber.  You even make the passivley aggressive implication that the basis of my comments are simply PC!  You have humbled me sir.  You have shamed me.  You haven't answered my points, nor have we even discussed my own knowledge on the subject, but you know you know better (prejudice) and never account for a persons outer appearence (bias), so actually sorting out particulars obviously isn't for the likes of one as high as yourself.

Perhaps I will find some real dialog with some of the other plebians, others more on my level.


No Kiauma, I haven't seen anything in your posts of your knowledge on the subject. I haven't seen any point, counterpoint, no scientific discussion at all; I read your posts over and over and mostly all I see is an opinion you have about me personally. What I keep seeing is your speculation and analysis of my reasons for posting what I have. You used the actual words, "prejudiced" (twice) and "biased", along with a rather transparent attempt to lump me in with racists.

Do you have anything of substance to say on the subject? Why don't you enlighten me? Oh, also, my comments had nothing to do with the social aspects of homosexuality. My two main comments were:

1.That sexual preference can form as a result of habits and momentums carried over from past lives while inhabiting a series of bodies of a single gender.

2.Sex between people of the same gender resembles (clairvoyantly, to me) pushing the positive ends of two magnets together--there is a repulsion effect in the energetic structures which alters the flow of spiritual light energy, and can cause problems in physical organs and systems which correspond to these lower chakras involved.

I would add that I think oral sex as well as anal sex between anyone, hetero or gay, causes similar problems also. And one more thing which I left out originally because I was concerned with provoking an explosion, is that these activities all involve the light stored in the base chakra, the light of creation. And esoterically, this light and the structure involved are directly linked to the immune system.

In an honest attempt to avoid having this topic run over a cliff again, I did NOT SAY that gays are beyond redemption (your words and disparaging implication)(redemption from what???), I did NOT SAY that all gay sex instantly causes immune system problems. I've never used or implied the concepts of right or wrong, good or bad. In case you thought I did, read what I wrote again. Please!

Kiauma, if you'd really like to discuss these (specific) two ideas then I'm interested in hearing your knowledge on the subject. If you again devolve into berating me personally, then I'm pretty much done with this thread. It's up to you.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Nay on June 03, 2004, 03:07:45
Wow..ok ya'll..call off the dogs..[:D]

One thing though..

 
quote:
I would add that I think oral sex as well as anal sex between anyone, hetero or gay, causes similar problems also


Please tell me I'm not going to mess up any chakras for the first part of this statement..LOL!

If that is the case...omg..I'm soooooo done for it...[:(]

*disclaimer*  sorry if I caused anyone nausea for that statement, thinking it was too much info..but had to be said..[:P]

Nay [8D]


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: James S on June 03, 2004, 04:02:18
quote:
Originally posted by Nay
Please tell me I'm not going to mess up any chakras for the first part of this statement..LOL!

If that is the case...omg..I'm soooooo done for it...[:(]


Hehehe....
Gotta agree with you on that one.

Boydster,
you just take all the fun out of it!

[:P]
James.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: kiauma on June 03, 2004, 13:34:52
Whoa!  Take it easy Boydster, before you pop a chakra or something.  I don't consider it a crime to be a missionary man, but if all you saw was personal attacks then maybe stepping back would be the next best step.

In an honest attempt to avoid having this topic run over a cliff again, I did NOT SAY that gays are beyond redemption (your words and disparaging implication)(redemption from what???), I did NOT SAY that all gay sex instantly causes immune system problems. I've never used or implied the concepts of right or wrong, good or bad. In case you thought I did, read what I wrote again. Please!

Boydster, I have already run through my thinking on this, and if you can't see it, well then you just can't see it.  I can accept that.

I am not saying there isn't something to your views and your observations, however for my part I find a complete lack of the fundamental link between spiritual energies and emotions, a complete lack of the BIG picture in your statements.  Thousands upon thousands of homosexuals, male and female, enjoy perfectly fruitful long term relationships with extremely healthy energy systems and long life, and have since the dawn of man (which I infer from the prevelance of homosexuality even amoung primitive tribes, when there was such a thing), and do to this day, which is completely inconsistent with your statements.  

If by 'immune trouble' you are making some veiled reference to AIDS, I would remind you that AIDS affects str8s just as well, and that it is only a phenomenom of the last few decades.

You seem in a very self-satisfied place, and I certainly don't mean to threaten that, however you might want to take a peek outside your 'observation circle' once in a while, just to see what other perceptions might make sense to look for.  Not to is the essence of bigotry.

"No matter how gently one pulls the trigger, a gun kills just as dead."
-Unknown


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Nay on June 03, 2004, 13:50:17
I think both of you have great points! [^]

It seems like ya'll are saying pretty much the same thing...so for the life of me, I can't figure out why you're arguing.[:P]  Guess I'm having a blonde day..[:D]

Let's talk more about what James and I were talking about..LOL [:o)]

Nay



Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: Aileron on June 03, 2004, 23:26:58
whoo! What an exhausting topic.
I have to agree the fun seems sucked right outta here.

I'd like to say that I disagree however about sexual preference being a result of past lives. Though I believe in reincarnation, and I do think that it affects who we are to a point, I'm inclined to feel that our current incarnations tune into what our needs are towards people whether of the same gender or not.
Certain people are just connected (Perhaps through past lives)and need each other. Our desires from past lives through different embodied genders should only have the minimal of roles in our current states.

I also dont think certain sexual "outlets," unless corrupted, have anything to do with twisted energies.
People believe natural law and the way we have been raised socially seems the inexplicable ways our in and outs should work, and in one essence it is true, but just because the creative energies flow through the masculine symbol and into the feminine to create, does not represent error by nature if two people decide to have oral sex.
Many animals in nature have sex with their own gender (more than you would know), and dolphins being the only other species to have sex for the pleasure should symbolize humanities need to connect not only on one level but many.

We arent one dimensional creatures, we need the experience of the entire universe.

I'd also like to point out, that many homosexuals are acutally quite active, if not more than many heterosexuals, in trying to stay healthy. Many being new age fanatics, practicing yogi's, vegans/ vegetarians. I have many friends who are homosexual, and they are all much healthier than I am, and have a much better connection to their surroundings and environment.
Not to say all who are gay and lesbian are strict health nuts, but I have found a large majority being more aware of their needs than heterosexuals.

Whatever it is you believe there it is, I just think everyone has the right to be with who they feel connected to. The universe does not see gender, it sees evolution.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: kiauma on June 04, 2004, 01:50:51
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The universe does not see gender, it sees evolution.


Wow, I feel the love in that one!  I couldn't agree more.

Well said.


Title: Evil Marriages???
Post by: kiauma on June 08, 2004, 18:35:13
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"It's incredible that Lord Tebbit manages to shoehorn his extreme prejudices against gay people into a discussion on child obesity."


Isn't it though.  [V]