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Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on March 22, 2005, 15:24:52
EDIT: I found out that this meditation can open you up to the demonic influence, and cause geat harm that cannot be undone easily. Please don't try it, and avoid the whole JoS pages at all costs.
For more info:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18110&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=100



ORIGINAL MESSAGE

Recently I've found these voice based meditations, and after trying them I can say that results achieved with them in a few days can be compared to years of work using  visualization.

http://www.666blacksun.com/OpeningChakras.html
It is taken from www.joyofsatan.com , and only hosted by 666blacksun.com(NS site not worth of entering)
My experiences with meditation:

Third eye meditation:
http://www.666blacksun.com/Opening_the_ThirdEye.html
For me after 2 days of meditating(10 min. per day) my third eye opened, I've started seeing many random pictures and colors when in trance, and seeing very detailed Negs in dark rooms in normal state of consciousness. It was extreme fun. Also it became possible to see astral RTZ directly from the physical world.
Other meditations were not as effective, because I didn't wait 7 days after using this one, although my solar plexus chakra was extremely stimulated too. I'll wait 7 days and try again.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on March 22, 2005, 16:30:10
Hi veggie,

Pleased to have a new technique to get to new horizons, but I'd like to ask some questions about your precontext in order to not goof it up.

1. Mr Bruce advices in his book not to overstrain upper chakras if we don't want to suffer from headaches, so: what's your experience in this field?, have you been regular with NEW meditation before trying your exercise?.
2. Have you suffered from side effects, as headaches or the like?.
3. Does the exercise affects the other chakras in some way?.
4. Shouldn't the bee sound be closer to the TH of "think" θ rather than that of "the" ð ?

Anyway I see this technique as a yoga practice: mudra, pranayama and raja... all together and all combined to inflame the third eye.

It is said that the bee breath (bhramari pranayama) does: soothes the nerves and calms the mind. The mudra is just as a lock or a multiplexor which redirects the energy in some way or other.

By the way, for someone who would want more energy instantly I'd recommend bhastrika pranayama. I've had really good experience with it, but be careful with its practice.

One more word, when I activate chakras in the "traditional" way, with visualization, I put in practice that advice given in the book and which indicates to rebound a wave of energy from side to side across the head... I use to start to lose my body's sense and feel a floating sensation... just a commentary.


Title: Re: Most powerful chakra meditation I've ever tried
Post by: andonitxo on March 22, 2005, 17:11:02
Quote from: CaCoDeMoN

http://www.666blacksun.com/OpeningChakras.html
It is taken from www.joyofsatan.com , and only hosted by 666blacksun.com(NS site not worth of entering)


Hey!, didn't browse the rest of the web!, it's a nazi web!!!, by god's sake!!!. What the heck is doing a chakra activation exercise in a filthy place like that?.

Even more, I've seen some incongruencies about runes, planets and chakras. It is said that the third eye is ruled by the moon... well, all sources consulted say that it is ruled by mercury, the planet of knowledge and communication. The head is related to fire in occultism, and moon is a watery entity, because it rules all pertinent to sea, inner fluids, pregnancy,...

The World card mentioned is clearly ruled by Saturn, the harder planet to the harder concept of existence (matter), and it is mostly related to the root chakra, muladara, than to other one.

Any commentary?


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on March 22, 2005, 21:27:15
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1. Mr Bruce advices in his book not to overstrain upper chakras if we don't want to suffer from headaches, so: what's your experience in this field?, have you been regular with NEW meditation before trying your exercise?.
2. Have you suffered from side effects, as headaches or the like?.
3. Does the exercise affects the other chakras in some way?.
4. Shouldn't the bee sound be closer to the TH of "think" θ rather than that of "the" ð ?

Hi!
1. Working on chakras starting from upper ones is safer, because when the kundalini will start all chakras will be already unblocked. I've tried to open chakras with NEW first, but it's hard work. NEW is better for secondary energy centers. I am using NEW for more tan one year now.
2. Only a slight headache today, but nothing serious, and it lasted less than hour, without need to use painkillers.
3. There's exercise for every chakra here.
4. Bee sound is used  for crown chakra and that is done 7 days after opening third eye chakra. For third eye chakra the sound is "THHHHH" as in "the"

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Hey!, didn't browse the rest of the web!, it's a nazi web!!!, by god's sake!!!. What the heck is doing a chakra activation exercise in a filthy place like that?.

Yes, probably Maxine's Dietrich husband is a neo-nazi. I've told you to not read it.

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Even more, I've seen some incongruencies about runes, planets and chakras. It is said that the third eye is ruled by the moon... well, all sources consulted say that it is ruled by mercury, the planet of knowledge and communication. The head is related to fire in occultism, and moon is a watery entity, because it rules all pertinent to sea, inner fluids, pregnancy,...

The World card mentioned is clearly ruled by Saturn, the harder planet to the harder concept of existence (matter), and it is mostly related to the root chakra, muladara, than to other one.

Any commentary?

I've heard one person who is advanced in astrology mentioning that front of 3rd eye chakra is ruled by Sun and back by moon. I think that this person could be right, because he was also right on many issues regarding chakras. He was the first person I've heard of that found out that crown and base chakras are not chakras at all but entirely different energetical structures.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: BlackSunrise on March 23, 2005, 00:29:53
Well, for one, this site seems Satan-based, so i would shy away from it if possible:

Azazel was one of the watchers, who was banished from heaven after, with the other watchers (I believe there were 7 watchers), taught how to make weapons, use science, and kill proficiently.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Tom on March 23, 2005, 02:05:25
The techniques look like a mix of yoga with runes. It seems reasonable to track them back to their original sources before working with them.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on March 23, 2005, 06:30:33
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Well, for one, this site seems Satan-based, so i would shy away from it if possible:

I think that your fear is based on Chrsitan ideology. You should remember that some of it is propaganda.
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Azazel was one of the watchers, who was banished from heaven after, with the other watchers (I believe there were 7 watchers), taught how to make weapons, use science, and kill proficiently.

Where did you found such information?


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: alexd on March 23, 2005, 07:00:37
I have come across this before and I am still a bit discouraged from practicing the meditations, mainly for two reasons.

Reason number 1:
I often go too far activating my third eye just by building energy there and end up in bed for several days with a crushing headache. I can only imagine what this meditation (which is suppose to be much stronger) will do.

Reason number 2:
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These new meditations are filled with Satanic energy.

This is comforting to know. :shock:

Nonetheless I gave it a shot today because I was too curious. I haven't experienced anything yet. The mantras produce a sound that is not very pleasing; I guess that is with most mantras though.

The content on the pages itself is not bad but it would be much more encouraging if there was no affiliation with Satanism. CaCoDeMoN I understand what you are saying about the propaganda. But they wouldn't have gotten it so mixed up that Satan and God were put on the wrong sides of the pendulum (good and evil that is).


Alex


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on March 23, 2005, 08:55:32
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I've heard one person who is advanced in astrology mentioning that front of 3rd eye chakra is ruled by Sun and back by moon. I think that this person could be right, because he was also right on many issues regarding chakras. He was the first person I've heard of that found out that crown and base chakras are not chakras at all but entirely different energetical structures.


Mmmm, maybe,  maybe. I'm confused right now. It's said that Mercury rules the very final mystery of this physical world, perhaps because it rules communication chanels (even more than information), and our world's tangibility is a matter of perception rather than of touch.

But it is true that the final objective is to meet yin and yang, moon and sun, but... in the third eye?, when ida and pingala's energies converge in susuma, the overall energy discharge goes from muladara up to the crown center where it explodes in some kind of million-petaled flower of pristine white light which baths the whole of our being. But this happens in the top, not one floor below...

I've collected the next clasification... maybe could fit somehow:
Third Eye     Moon, Sun
Throat Centre    Mercury
Heart Centre    Venus
Navel Centre    Mars
Sex Centre    Jupiter
Root Centre    Saturn

Saturn restricts, and so the root center is restricted surrounded in three hard veils which contempt that center's huge energy current. Even more, Saturn (tarot's World) is seen as the janitor, the gate watcher, and the root is the very first main entry point.

Jupiter is known as a sex seeker in mythology. And he is the son of Saturn, so it must be in second place before his father. Even, we could thought of Saturn as the last survivor titan (more than a god) and Jupiter as the first god in a more ordered world. Take in count that Saturn devoured his sons and daughters, as an allegory of diferent energy waves returning to their source (microcosmic orbit's loop nature).

Mars stands, clearly, for energy and war. Isn't the subnavel center the energy storage place?.

Venus... nature, unconditional love, the mysteries of nature... maybe.

Mercury, comunication chanels, throat,... could fit, for sure.

But my doubt on colours continues there, standing in the middle of the path. What colour system to use?. If we thing of chakras as from grosser to finner, from down to up, from excited to calmed, the colours from below should start from the botton of colour spectrum, red, and finish up in violet. In fact, I've found several schemas in which, in order, they're put as: black (root), red (sex), orange (navel), yellow (plexus), green (heart), cyan (throat), blue (forehead) and violet (top). Of course this color system doesn't fit with that used in astrology... So, what colours do you folks use to visualize your chakras??

Well, I think I've quacked quite enough ;-), please, any light on colours will be of great help.

Thank you all.

PD: have a look at this link.
http://sacredcenters.com/chakrayoga.html


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on March 23, 2005, 13:34:59
I use such colors:
root - white or very bright orange
sexual chakra - red
navel chakra - orange
solar plexus  - yellow and bright orange
heart chakra - green
throat chakra - bright blue
third eye chakra - purpe ot white
crown - white

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This is comforting to know.

Nonetheless I gave it a shot today because I was too curious. I haven't experienced anything yet. The mantras produce a sound that is not very pleasing; I guess that is with most mantras though.

The content on the pages itself is not bad but it would be much more encouraging if there was no affiliation with Satanism. CaCoDeMoN I understand what you are saying about the propaganda. But they wouldn't have gotten it so mixed up that Satan and God were put on the wrong sides of the pendulum (good and evil that is).

I think that neither side is good or evil. They just have totally different motivations. Of course both sides have their own propaganda, and depict other side as evil. I think that you should read what Spiritual Satanists write about themselves at www.joyofsatan.com , and then judge it.

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These new meditations are filled with Satanic energy.

I think that it's not true, these meditations can safely be used by everyone and this text was added so more people would dedicate ther souls. From what I read dedication has similar meaning to baptism in Christianity.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on March 23, 2005, 15:29:37
Hi there,

Found these words... may they be helpful for someone.

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Code:
The Six Câkrâ in the Human Body.
{Transcription from holograph notebook of Aleister Crowley}
1. Mûlâdhâra the place of the Root or of Beginnings is at the base of the spinal column. It has 3 petals & 55 rays, & is the seat of Prithivi or Bhu.
Here Kundalinî lies coiled in 3½ coils in the form of a serpent, over the entrance of the Sushûmna canal, so closely knit together around it that no Prana can pass.
2. Svadisthâna. the “proper place” of Kundalini i.e. in the Yogi. Situated in the navel. Seat of the Apo tatwa.
3. Manipûra the “city of gems” so-called because very brilliant. In the Solar Plexus. Abode of Agni tatwa.
4. Anáhata also called Hridiyama means “sound without collision” or “heart”. In the heart. Abode of Vâyu tatwa.
5. Vishûddha means “purity”. In the root of the neck below larnyx. Seat of Akâsa tatwa.
6. Ajñâ between the eyebrows. Means “Knowledge”. Seat of Mano tatwa.
7. Sahasrâra above the head means the “thousand-petalled”

There are 3 breathings:
Rechakam: throwing out
Kumbhakam: storing
Purakam: inhaling
First Breathing

Practice
for purifying the Nadi (rivers or {...})
Assume an Asana (posture) which keeps the spine & head in one vertical straight line.
With the thumb & ring-finger of the r.h. close Pingala & do Recakam through Ida.
[Note Also Pîngala is the Solar (Surya = 6) current on the r.h. side of the human male body; Ida is the Lunar (Candra = 9) current on the l.h.
In women these are reversed.
Sushumna or Devamarga (path of the gods) is in the middle & is the vehicle of Agni.]
Then without any intermission, do Purakam through Ida.
Then close Ida with the ring-finger & do Recakam through Pingala.
And so on.
One cycle may be inaccurately termed a Prana-yama.
Let him do 80 such 4 times a day; but not more than 80.
The times of day are
(a) one hour before dawn
(b) at noon before feeding (This applies universally)
(c) About sunset
(d) Midnight
Ascertain the rate of Pranayama each man for himself: the idea is to breathe slightly more slowly,but much more deeply, than usual.
Prana-yama means “control of Prana”. Prana is the cosmic Spirit of Life.
By restraining breath, then, we restrain Prana: by restraining Prana we restrain thought: thought, departing, leaves room (Heb. in space) for nothingness.
It now becomes permissible, the nerves being purified to do a ore-correctly-so-described Pranayama, which is identical with above but internal Kumbhakam.
A Yoglet may know when his Nadî are purified by the appearance of the following signs:
1. Clear skin ü
2. Beautiful voice ü
3. Calm appearance of face
4. Bright eyes
5. Hearing constantly the Nada (silence)


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Tombo on March 24, 2005, 15:07:01
I just took a look at:
http://www.joyofsatan.com/

I must admit I learned some new things about Satanism. But lets face it, it is a sect like most "Religions" are.
Most of the things that are said on this web page are probably true and spiritual. So, I just shorty mention what I don't like:

1: They realize that the Jewish god wasn't really good. This is obviously true (IMO) just read thru the old testament. But now they fell into the same trap as to think that Satan was actually the real God. I would strongly suggest that these people read thru some books by Erich v. Däniken. Soon they will realize that the old testament is a report about the landing of a alien race on our planet. Yahweh/Jehovah was an alien and Satan was an alien, no goods involved. They got into a fight and the rest is history. This is all very well documented in the Däniken books. Satan/Yahweh were beings like you and I, they lied, they got angry etc..

2: They say " Satanism is a life loving religion" but why then, I wonder do they write in red (blood) and their Symbols are covered with flames (destruction)? Satanism is usually perceived as I Life denying Thing, I don't feel as that they really try to get away from that image.
It seems obviously to me that they feed from being shocking.

3: I can't really understand what exactly their problem  with Jesus is, he obviously did healing, good things and preached Love.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on March 24, 2005, 18:16:22
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1: They realize that the Jewish god wasn't really good. This is obviously true (IMO) just read thru the old testament. But now they fell into the same trap as to think that Satan was actually the real God. I would strongly suggest that these people read thru some books by Erich v. Däniken. Soon they will realize that the old testament is a report about the landing of a alien race on our planet. Yahweh/Jehovah was an alien and Satan was an alien, no goods involved. They got into a fight and the rest is history. This is all very well documented in the Däniken books. Satan/Yahweh were beings like you and I, they lied, they got angry etc..

Satan as an alien? I think that it could be also a possibility, even Satanist at www.joyofsatan.com admit that demons are aliens:
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/ABOUT.html

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2: They say " Satanism is a life loving religion" but why then, I wonder do they write in red (blood) and their Symbols are covered with flames (destruction)? Satanism is usually perceived as I Life denying Thing, I don't feel as that they really try to get away from that image.
It seems obviously to me that they feed from being shocking.

Flames could also mean desire and inspiration, red is a color of life(blood), and root chakra, that is connetion to physical world.


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3: I can't really understand what exactly their problem with Jesus is, he obviously did healing, good things and preached Love.

Yes, but he understood spiritual development as Right Hand Path, and Satanists are Left Hand Path. I think that most of their hate is reasonless.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: darkheaven on March 25, 2005, 09:02:42
well, that third eye meditation is powerfull...

i tried difftent tones on that "tthhhh"...i am not very sure about the corect one maybe u will help me out with that

i was also quite tired when tried that...

strong vibrations in third eye region, stron presure, no visuals...i'll give it a go for sevral days now and report


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: phantomviewer on March 28, 2005, 16:57:01
Quote from: CaCoDeMoN
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Well, for one, this site seems Satan-based, so i would shy away from it if possible:

I think that your fear is based on Chrsitan ideology. You should remember that some of it is propaganda.
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Azazel was one of the watchers, who was banished from heaven after, with the other watchers (I believe there were 7 watchers), taught how to make weapons, use science, and kill proficiently.

Where did you found such information?


I have nothing against you, perhaps such an expression would be ovious with a satan-website if someone were to be religious doing chakra-work.

I dont like the website reguardless of being christian or-not. (I am not Christian).

Dont know why something such as energy work would be on such a website. No wounder people call pagans satanists!

I've read -

****There is a lower order of Demons. They have firey red eyes and the rubbery wings. They serve purposes such as protection, or chasing off enemy spirits and are assistants to higher ranking Demons.***

Some people believe these beings are called 'The Reptilians' and also believe they have a purpose but are the downfall of humanity.

I know this sounds crazy but thousands and lots more know about this 'space-being race'. Take for instance David Ickle wich his books can be quite scarce about them.

**assisting higher ranking demons indeed'


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Bonden on March 28, 2005, 22:32:47
Well I have tried this now for 4 days and yesterday I was done with making the "thhh" sound so I decided to do some meditating on the third eye. But first I listened to some music and the base from the music got my third eye "pumping" :) and when I started to meditated I saw "stars" after about 10 to 20min but I started to move my eyes so they disappeared. I also get a small dot of some color like green or blue after looking with eyes closed for a while, but I think I had that before this I just haven't thought about it or it comes faster now (about 5 to 10 seconds).

The third eye has got pretty sensitive after this "opening" just by thinking of it for like 10 seconds can make it pulse. I've also got this weird smell I have never smelt before so I can't really describe it but I've started to think of it as a third eye smell :) .

I'm going to try to meditate on it tonight again and see if I get something new happens today.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: darkheaven on March 28, 2005, 22:47:13
so kind of stars i saw 2....

what was nicer that it was a 3D not 2D like most of my visualisation...

i was pretty tired this days and coudn't try this one...but as soon as i'll finish my work and get back on feet i'll do it again


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: yoshi on March 29, 2005, 05:54:52
ya good technique, thanks for sharing it cacodemon. ive always been able to trigger my third eye and get it "pumping" but this method works faster. I thought maybe this would finally help me open my third eye, but even after 6 days it still hasnt opened. Ive done a lot of meditating and energy raising on my third eye even before this, but it still hasnt opened. What the hell is wrong with me is this normal?


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on March 29, 2005, 08:28:02
I wonder why everyone uses only 3rd eye meditation... In the link I've provided there are such meditations for nearly every chakra.
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Some people believe these beings are called 'The Reptilians' and also believe they have a purpose but are the downfall of humanity.

So why many new-agers have Reptillians and Greys as their spiritual guides(more of a deceivers than guides really)? I've also saw HP Maxine's post in which she mentioned that Reptilians and Greys are enemies of humanity.
I personally don't believe in all these alien types at all.

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I know this sounds crazy but thousands and lots more know about this 'space-being race'. Take for instance David Ickle wich his books can be quite scarce about them.

From what I know David Icke's Reptilians are only a metaphor for human organizations secretly ruling most of countries now. Typical conspiracy stuff.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Tom on March 29, 2005, 14:57:32
My guess is because anything connected with Satanism is a compromise for most of us here and only the third eye meditation seems to justify it. Still, it really does look like it is just yogic methods combined with runes.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: french_hustler on March 29, 2005, 17:41:31
wow, you know im staying away from this....

[hey andonitxo, in what city you live in, i lived in Toulouse, and my grandma lives in Basque Country too, or very near it.  She's in Handaye-St. Jean de Luz, and my uncle in Biarritz.]


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on March 29, 2005, 20:48:21
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My guess is because anything connected with Satanism is a compromise for most of us here and only the third eye meditation seems to justify it. Still, it really does look like it is just yogic methods combined with runes.

Why only third eye? Do you think that meditations on other chakras in this link should not be used?


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Tom on March 29, 2005, 22:03:18
The meditation techniques themselves do not sound at all Satanic. I think they were just stolen from other sources and described in red print to get attention. I have no problem with the techniques. It just seems like they are mixing food with poison by describing the techniques as having Satanic energy. I found I am willing to risk it for more third eye energy, but that in general Robert Bruce's NEW and reiki work well enough for the other chakras. Like I keep saying, if we could track down these techniques to the sources they were stolen from, it would be a lot easier to get people to use all of them and not just the third eye one.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on March 30, 2005, 12:14:35
It is easy to claim that something was stolen, I'd like to know from where do you think it was stolen? Photos of hands were certainly done by satanists, yoga probably doesn't use runes too(especially that "sigel" rune, it's certainly occult/satanic, was used by German SS forces).
Also if it was stolen, it would appear at the site at once, not be continuously enhanced...


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Tom on March 30, 2005, 16:30:54
The Nazis stole some runes, too, by ripping them from their proper context. The swastika was once the hammer of Thor. The runes may be occult as in hidden, but they are not in any way satanic. When I say that the Satanists stole from runes and yoga, it is because they claimed that what they took is satanic rather than giving credit where it was due.

You wanted to know why the techniques were not being used more. I'm telling you that if you can go back to the original sources of the techniques and put them back in context, the techniques would be used more.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Bonden on March 30, 2005, 19:45:12
I'm probably going to try the other Chakra's but I will do one chakra at the time. Will report back when I'm done with third eye. Will do the next chakra this Saturday ( I think it was crown)


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on March 31, 2005, 14:07:02
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The Nazis stole some runes, too, by ripping them from their proper context. The swastika was once the hammer of Thor. The runes may be occult as in hidden, but they are not in any way satanic. When I say that the Satanists stole from runes and yoga, it is because they claimed that what they took is satanic rather than giving credit where it was due.

Sorry but swastika is from Hindu beliefs and was not modified at all. Even word "swastika" has a meaning in sanskrit.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on March 31, 2005, 16:24:23
Quote from: french_hustler
wow, you know im staying away from this....

[hey andonitxo, in what city you live in, i lived in Toulouse, and my grandma lives in Basque Country too, or very near it.  She's in Handaye-St. Jean de Luz, and my uncle in Biarritz.]


Hi there,

I live in Bilbao (Bizkaia). Very pleased to meet you ;-)


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on March 31, 2005, 16:29:06
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The Nazis stole some runes, too, by ripping them from their proper context. The swastika was once the hammer of Thor. The runes may be occult as in hidden, but they are not in any way satanic. When I say that the Satanists stole from runes and yoga, it is because they claimed that what they took is satanic rather than giving credit where it was due.

Sorry but swastika is from Hindu beliefs and was not modified at all. Even word "swastika" has a meaning in sanskrit.



One note. I read swastika is a heavenly symbol if it is not bended, ie, take nazi's one, rotate a bit so its arms get horizontal and vertical and voilá. It seems nazis sloped it in a try to embarrass light's forces.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Tom on March 31, 2005, 17:40:09
The swastika is used in Vajrayana Buddhism, too, as a symbol to be placed under the meditation cushion. There, it fills in for the double dorje, which only Buddhas get to sit on during meditation.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: phantomviewer on March 31, 2005, 23:25:14
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The Nazis stole some runes, too, by ripping them from their proper context. The swastika was once the hammer of Thor. The runes may be occult as in hidden, but they are not in any way satanic. When I say that the Satanists stole from runes and yoga, it is because they claimed that what they took is satanic rather than giving credit where it was due.

Sorry but swastika is from Hindu beliefs and was not modified at all. Even word "swastika" has a meaning in sanskrit.


Why do people take main religious-spiritual workings and use it for other religions? Isnt the Chakras from India-Hinduism?


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Orygbus on April 01, 2005, 03:36:37
I've seen some of the hand mudra in a ninjitsu book and other eastern sources....so I'm fairly sure it's not satanic....I'm not sure where the mantra is from, but I don't think it's satanic....


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on April 01, 2005, 06:29:19
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Why do people take main religious-spiritual workings and use it for other religions? Isnt the Chakras from India-Hinduism?

But chakras are not just religious dogma, they are real.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: phantomviewer on April 01, 2005, 22:19:08
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Why do people take main religious-spiritual workings and use it for other religions? Isnt the Chakras from India-Hinduism?

But chakras are not just religious dogma, they are real.


That is the point.....taking from religious spiritual workings. Do you Get what im saying?

Even some Christians using the Kabbala turning it into some Christ Kabbala wich so many books I have seen.  :D


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: halfphased on April 02, 2005, 00:21:41
I would not say chakras are real in an ultimate sense.  They are a construct that we use to better interract with our precieved reality.

We are using a working theory up until the point where we become aware of Ultimate Reality.  

I say this yet I still do not understand why working with a chakra system is helpfull at the present moment if ultimately we are to come to understand that chakras were nothing more than the musings of our collective mind.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: manuel on April 02, 2005, 01:15:36
thanks for that man, im gunna try it out my self tonight, ya know for those whom are scared of the satan thing, how can you be scared of some thing that doesnt exsist? the only thing that comes close to satan is orion reptilians.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: manuel on April 02, 2005, 01:20:32
CaCoDeMoN, how are the meditations working so far?


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Tyciol on April 02, 2005, 05:29:31
5 minutes doesn't require two posts.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on April 02, 2005, 10:40:11
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thanks for that man, im gunna try it out my self tonight, ya know for those whom are scared of the satan thing, how can you be scared of some thing that doesnt exsist? the only thing that comes close to satan is orion reptilians.


Mmmm, could someone, please, explain to me what the heck such an orion reptilian is?.

I'd point that, for me, God is both good and evil. If It "is creating" (I'd bet creation is a dynamic process) all we see around, it must be his creation what we see as evil. And I insist, it is a matter of viewpoint. A death for us is a rebirth for the upper planes, and vice versa. The real evil is that sense of conservation we have, because if we'd know how to get rid of our attachments to this world, the last dream would be just a mere step.

So Satan could be conceived as the energy/bunch of experiences/stuff of live dedicated to destroy/undo/reestructure,... and the like.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Leannain on April 02, 2005, 14:59:30
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Mmmm, could someone, please, explain to me what the heck such an orion reptilian is?.



supposedly it's a  evil alien race from the star system orion.



http://home.earthlink.net/%7ejameset4/Roger/pt2/roger002.html

http://members.yournet.com/jobrien/liz-2.html


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on April 02, 2005, 21:04:05
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CaCoDeMoN, how are the meditations working so far?

I've totally opened my third eye, and I enjoy watching Negs running on the walls at night. My crown chakra also opened a bit, and last night I nearly had conscious astral projection. Also working on solar pelxus chakra brings good results.

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Mmmm, could someone, please, explain to me what the heck such an orion reptilian is?.

Probably an imagination of David Icke. Maybe he discovered such "alien race" using scientific methods - LSD. ;)


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: manuel on April 03, 2005, 14:07:48
cool man, i did it the thhh for about 3 minutes, i found it was very stimulating, the back of my 3rd eye slightly tingled a bit.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on April 03, 2005, 19:51:08
Maybe I'm the only nerd here which has suffered from an absolutely terrible headache after two days' practice... yeh, and I've silenced it taking aspirins, a thing I didn't practice decades ago.

So, I'll follow Mr Bruce's advices... to incise more in the lower chakras first. Those kaleidoscope images you mentioned will have to wait.

Anyway, and I must agree with you, the technique in itself is far more powerful than a mere visualization method. I've always defended yoga as a complete and powerful whole system, and in this case, in which pranayama and mudras are used, I've tested what I did know.

Perhaps each dude have to concentrate in a particular chakra, that one more responsive... so I'll have a try with my heart's one.

By the way... what do you take when you have "energy" headaches?. I tried to shut down the pain absorving the energy leftover into the subnavel storage center.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Tom on April 03, 2005, 20:05:40
The web site with the method said that it can even result in migraines lasting for several days, but that if you keep going with it the headaches will pass. It does not say anything about what happens if the process is stopped after it is started.

The web site with the method to open the third eye also has methods for the lower chakras. If you are sure you want to stop the process for now, you might want to try this one:

http://www.666blacksun.com/Opening_the_Solar.html


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Nostic on April 03, 2005, 21:47:55
Holy smokes, when I make the "T-H-H-H" sound, I can see my computer screen ripple like a body of water. LOL, don't know how much that's worth, but it's a cool little novelty nonetheless.  :)


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: manuel on April 04, 2005, 14:33:11
A question if I may, getting the sound in your forehead area as it instructs, I'm finding this a tad challenging, any one have any workarounds for this?


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Tom on April 04, 2005, 15:10:56
It isn't so much a workaround as a clarification; the chakras have musical notes associated with them. By adjusting the tone you are using to be higher or lower you can get it to resonate at the chakra you are working on. This will only help, though, if you can feel where it is resonating. You might find that some of your chakras are more easily stimulated than others. If you use "om" which is fairly neutral and start low, you might find that you will catch a place you can feel the resonance distinctly. This will help you to know what to look for when you try to get the "th" to resonate in your forehead.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: knucklebrain1970 on April 04, 2005, 16:33:25
I think you guys are getting headaches from restricting the airflow out of your mouth. Try this. Keep your mouth shut and nose pinched after taking a deep breath. Now try to blow out till it feels like your head is going to pop. What do you feel? Headache?

Kevin


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on April 04, 2005, 16:48:27
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I think you guys are getting headaches from restricting the airflow out of your mouth. Try this. Keep your mouth shut and nose pinched after taking a deep breath. Now try to blow out till it feels like your head is going to pop. What do you feel? Headache?

Kevin


Your quote is appreciated but I've been practicing pranayama for several years... so I think I know a little bit about breathing. And even without involving breath so much, the same result, i.e. headache, comes up.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on April 04, 2005, 19:35:10
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A question if I may, getting the sound in your forehead area as it instructs, I'm finding this a tad challenging, any one have any workarounds for this?

No, but it is not as hard as it seems. You must only know that sound can be conducted through bones, when it reach certain frequency(it has been scientifically proved and I think that will be used in portable music players soon). You just have to make sound at correct frequency, and it will vibrate at forehead area.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Vvid1012 on April 04, 2005, 22:18:35
slightly off topic, but where should you energy ideally reside... the crown, heart, or all?  Or is it more of a wave, while constantly cyclying through each vortex.  Something I'v been contemplating for many days now.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on April 05, 2005, 08:06:37
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A question if I may, getting the sound in your forehead area as it instructs, I'm finding this a tad challenging, any one have any workarounds for this?

No, but it is not as hard as it seems. You must only know that sound can be conducted through bones, when it reach certain frequency(it has been scientifically proved and I think that will be used in portable music players soon). You just have to make sound at correct frequency, and it will vibrate at forehead area.


That's what is called "resonance". It means every part of our body vibrates in a certain pitch by its own means. If you produce a sound close to this pitch you both will vibrate in unison.

The same effect can be seen with cups of water, being rubbed. When you get to the exact pitch the cup cannot bear and it just breaks. The matter, in this case, can't stand so much energy.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: manuel on April 05, 2005, 16:29:00
Thanks for the answers guys, well I had my 3rd meditation and well I havent seen entities..yet, though im feeling a slight presure on my forehead, it says to do it 4 times than relax, is that it? just four chants of that per day? or more? :?:


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: phantomviewer on April 05, 2005, 22:57:53
http://www.666blacksun.com/Opening_the_base.html
http://www.666blacksun.com/Opening_the_solar.html
http://www.666blacksun.com/Opening_the_sacral.html
http://www.666blacksun.com/Opening_the_heart.html
http://www.666blacksun.com/Opening_the_throat.html
http://www.666blacksun.com/Opening_the_thirdeye.html
http://www.666blacksun.com/Opening_the_crown.html
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http://www.666blacksun.com/Opening_the_Hands.html
http://www.666blacksun.com/Opening_the_Feet.html


Title: Listen
Post by: father_satans_follower on April 10, 2005, 11:10:17
Hey Everyone. I just wanna tell you guys about the Joy Of Satan and their Meditations.
So WHAT if THEY are Nazis? You should concentrate on their MEDITATIONS not on what they are! Their are some  meditations there. Forget the belief or ideology and just examine the meditations. And yes, there used to be some meditations there which were STOLEN from books. Now they are removed. I am new in meditations as in ive never done them. 2day I will START with meditations. I will start with VOID meditation which is there. Its the most simplest and basic meditation and I plan to do it for a month before I progress to any "energy" work. By the way, I have tried the "Awakening One" many times in which you open your 3rd eye. I jsut NEVER feel anything in my head when I chant. Ive tried many different types of tones and pitches. Thooooooooooooooooooh.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Tom on April 10, 2005, 19:51:06
In addition to the meditation (I eventually went ahead and did all 4 consecutive days of this third eye meditation) I finished each session by giving reiki to my third eye. I put my right hand over my forehead and my left hand on the back of my head and started sending energy through. It increased the intensity of the experience, suddenly making the colored lights much brighter. Mostly I just see gold with some reds in it.

Father Satan's Follower - if you don't have a lot of previous experience with working with energy, reiki (http://www.reiki.org and http://www.sharereiki.org) is a good thing to look into to quickly get started. The process of passing on the ability to use reiki is called an attunement, and it can be done at a distance. The web sites I listed at good places to get articles and manuals on how to use reiki, so all you would need would be the actual attunements. I can give them to you and so can several other people here. The www.sharereiki.org site has a lot more people who can give you attunements, too, and for more systems than just Usui Reiki.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: star on April 11, 2005, 21:01:20
I never really found that correct pitch for those awakings ever I have done them off an on for near on 2 years and I only get the faintest little itty bitty touch on my forehead and nothing for #2 for the crown.


Its almost enough to make me want to cry.

Hearing abouyt  some people getting these amazing reactions.

I havent even managed to get a damn headache!


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on April 11, 2005, 21:31:51
Hi!

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Forget the belief or ideology and just examine the meditations.

But what if you too didn't examine their meditations carefully? Have you noticed that some of the medtations will bind some entities to you? (of course not new Awakening meditations I've posted here)
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Thooooooooooooooooooh.

You used the old meditation. The one that it's there is different, old one with the chant you posted will only bind Thoth entity to you or summon him.
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I never really found that correct pitch for those awakings ever I have done them off an on for near on 2 years and I only get the faintest little itty bitty touch on my forehead and nothing for #2 for the crown.


2 years? but they are not older than two months... I think that maybe you used old Awakening meditations.


Title: Oks
Post by: father_satans_follower on April 12, 2005, 11:08:11
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But what if you too didn't examine their meditations carefully? Have you noticed that some of the medtations will bind some entities to you? (of course not new Awakening meditations I've posted here)


Look. When a person opens his third eye and empowers it, he starts seeing things such as entities! Even athiests start seeing things!

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You used the old meditation. The one that it's there is different, old one with the chant you posted will only bind Thoth entity to you or summon him.


Sorry. The new chant is:T-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H
But well, chants dont work for me:( But maybe I might try it some day.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: PeterPanic on April 12, 2005, 18:12:23
Hello CaCoDeMoN, nice post! It has over 50 replies...
I still have this questions:

- I read through joyofsatan.com and there is nothing in there of neo-nazi  kind of s**t. 666blacksun though is 100% neo-nazi but I haven't read anything that states there is a connection between the two sites. What do you know about this?

- When you started third eye opening meditation did you already had some clairvoyant abilities? Can you explain in more detail what you see in dark rooms? What did you feel when 3rd eye opened?

- If 3rd eye opening makes you see the other dimension, what happens when you open your heart chakra?


Thank you for your time


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on April 12, 2005, 19:22:44
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Look. When a person opens his third eye and empowers it, he starts seeing things such as entities! Even athiests start seeing things!

Of course, but I was talking about attaching entities to people, and that's certainly harmful. And I am not an atheist, my belief system is a mix of satanism/mysticism/chaos magick and my own experiences/ideas. I've contacted demons, but I don't worship any demon or god.
Atheism is a kind of religion too, and a very harmful religion, it causes lack of motivation, and it's silly not to see things that certainly exist only because a belief system says they don't exist.
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Sorry. The new chant is:T-H-H-H-H-H-H-H-H
But well, chants dont work for me:( But maybe I might try it some day.

They do, you just did not find the correct frequency.
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Hello CaCoDeMoN, nice post! It has over 50 replies...

 :)  Yes, I think that sharing this was a good idea.
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- I read through joyofsatan.com and there is nothing in there of neo-nazi kind of s**t. 666blacksun though is 100% neo-nazi but I haven't read anything that states there is a connection between the two sites. What do you know about this?

That's secret. There's no connection between the sites.
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- When you started third eye opening meditation did you already had some clairvoyant abilities? Can you explain in more detail what you see in dark rooms? What did you feel when 3rd eye opened?

I didn't have clairvoyant abilities before that(only that once I've seen a dead person floating behind the window, I didn't say anything, and 5 minutes later my brother saw it too. It attacked him in the astral few hours later - it was "silent hill" type of Neg), when my 3rd eye has opened I felt pressure there and of course slight headache(but it was a nice feeling)., I was also very happy. In dark rooms: 40cm big sipiders running on the walls, "electronic" type of Neg flying in my room, 5 cm bright orange ball of light when I summoned a demon and some other things. In daylight: a blue entity about the size of a human once, "sparks" in the sky.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: star on April 12, 2005, 20:29:13
I have tried the newer ones. I dunno I don't have any contacts with anyone else who does energy work so I can't get conformations on my work *shrugs*

My friends usually have better results then I and I can't see what they are doing different from myself.


My friends havent gotten more into it then the 3rd eyee awaking which 2 of them did once and immediatly felt strong effects which did nothing more than make me jealous :|  :?  

They arent willing to continue anyway no matter what I say So they can't help me which is a disapointment.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: jason on April 16, 2005, 23:50:17
The opening the 3rd eye meditation link doesn't work for me-can someone describe the process? :?


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on April 17, 2005, 09:10:36
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The opening the 3rd eye meditation link doesn't work for me-can someone describe the process?

They were changing something at the site today. The link is:
http://www.666blacksun.com/Opening_the_ThirdEye.html
http://www.666blacksun.com/OpeningChakras.html


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: jason on April 17, 2005, 20:43:53
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The opening the 3rd eye meditation link doesn't work for me-can someone describe the process?

They were changing something at the site today. The link is:
http://www.666blacksun.com/Opening_the_ThirdEye.html
http://www.666blacksun.com/OpeningChakras.html


Thanks 8)    I was wondering if the problem was that the site was down yesterday.

I printed off the Third Eye meditation,to study in my own time (I use library and college computers).Looks interesting.

I'll keep you all posted. :)


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: knightlight on April 18, 2005, 05:02:53
hey that stuff rocks!!!  If it works who cares who its related to.  I started the 3rd eye opening and experimented with a few of the others.  The base chakra s-s-s-s-s-s one is intense, i only did it for about 15 seconds but the small of my back felt like it was heating up really hot!  I dont want my kundalini exploding my head so I stopped, but thanks again for the info.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: jason on April 18, 2005, 21:04:12
I tried the Opening The 3rd Eye meditation last night.I'm supposed to practice it for 4 days,24 hours apart each time.This was the first time.

I think I found the  correct hand positions for the mudra.It feels like there's a nerve ending right around where it tells you to press, because I felt a tingling in both hands that got stronger the harder I pressed.I also felt a slight head-rush feeling,and my temples started to tingle.I had to experiment to try and find a tone that resonates in the forehead.I find that "C" works pretty well,but the effect was subtle,and the chackra stimulation could have been caused by my concentration on it.So I suppose I could have imajined it.I'll just keep trying.

One relevant fact I've found out is that there is a direct correlation between colour and tonal pitch.Therefore,if the brow chakra's colour symbol is blue,there should be a certain frequency,or combination of frequencys that naturally resonates as "blue".


Title: I haven't read all this but...
Post by: Psynaut on April 19, 2005, 01:51:44
I gradually builded myself up to 100-breaths (proper deep breaths while clearing mind before bed), and after hearing people talk about humming a while back to slow down breaths, increase blood-flow, exchange of gasses etc. Anyway, a few times I've combined the long deep humming with concentrating on the chakra areas and had huge results. Your palm and soles energy pathways, you can feel the energy swirling around and such...and concentraing on major chakras bring about fast long-lasting results. When I concentrated on my brow and did the humming I was happy and high for like 4-hours afterwards. I stopped doing it though (it was hard though because everytime I closed my eyes my attention was stuck at my brow...) because I wasn't ready for such powerful stimulation.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: star on April 19, 2005, 20:38:50
When I hear about results like this I keep thinking that my lack of results comes from something im doing wrong and yet I can read and follow directions and I have played around with the  meditations I can't figure out why i'm not getting good results


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: yoshi on April 19, 2005, 22:05:06
if you did the first one (third eye) as instructed, and you meditate on it at least once a day that's good. Don't expect for it to be fully opened after the excercise. It takes time. I know because I felt like you did, but these ARE powerful. They DO stimulate the chakras, and yes if you don't feel any stimulation whatsoever then you definitely are doing something wrong. Anywyas just keep meditating on it and move on to your crown chakra 5 days later (like says) and believe me it works 2, even more powerful. Basically, if after doing the first one (third eye) you can now stimulate your third eye on your own whenever you meditate on it, then don't worry you are all good, on the right track. Stick with it, it could take a long time. I've been trying to open my third eye for a long time, and have only recently gotten amazing results (months now). But who knows it could take days for you. Just make sure you stick with it. Once again, these methods will definitely do what they say they do. Good luck

AND THANKS CACODEMON FOR SHARING THESE!!!


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Bonden on April 20, 2005, 21:05:52
I found another source of the mudras on another page. They have use the same Mundras but no humming or something like that, at least not on what I've read so far. However they have different breathing techniques. I think they are pretty tricky to get the hang of, like hold your breath for like 9 heart beats. Here is where I found it:

http://ashidakim.com/stb.html


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Humbled on April 21, 2005, 09:02:11
I believe that slow and steady is the best way to go through energy body developement.

These headaches you are getting are quite possibly from overstimulation and can cause health problems.

I would only use this if you are very experienced and know what you're doing.  I'm a noob though so....


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on April 21, 2005, 12:28:59
I did not have any health problems from using these meditations, and certainly I am not advanced at all, so this is certainly not true.
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I believe that slow and steady is the best way to go through energy body developement.

These headaches you are getting are quite possibly from overstimulation and can cause health problems.

I would only use this if you are very experienced and know what you're doing. I'm a noob though so....


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Tom on April 21, 2005, 13:56:20
The only thing worth worrying about is spending time on techniques which don't go anywhere at all. A technique which moves too quickly can be done less often, but one which does nothing can't be adjusted.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on April 21, 2005, 18:08:04
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The only thing worth worrying about is spending time on techniques which don't go anywhere at all. A technique which moves too quickly can be done less often, but one which does nothing can't be adjusted.

And that's why I don't use this third eye meditation everyday, but I use meditations for other chakras(they are more blocked) everyday.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Tom on April 21, 2005, 18:13:53
That's good to know. I misunderstood. I thought that most of them were only meant to be used until they worked and then dropped. It would be nice to speed things along by using them every day for a while, and more than one at a time.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: aslegnat on July 23, 2005, 04:35:36
The techniques look like a mix of yoga with runes. It seems reasonable to track them back to their original sources before working with them.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Superluminal on July 23, 2005, 10:01:24
Has anyone tried all the techniques in the “beginning” column found through here? http://meditations.joyofsatan.com/

Has anyone had any negative effects as a result of any of these?

Also, what if you open your third eye for example & find you don’t like seeing spirits everywhere 24/7? Does it wear off, or could you learn to switch it off & on at will?


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: DustinEwan on July 27, 2005, 18:19:37
This thread has been very enlightening, I have yet to try any of the techniques on the site, but I wanted to test something.

According to what I have read so far, the chakras and energy points that are located throughout the body all resonate at a particular frequency.  If you can use your mouth to replicate these frequencies then the frequency will replicate throughout your body and keep your body in tune with the particular chakra that you are trying to manipulate.  Now, I would suspect that since chakras tend to be a rather universal truth, the frequencies at which the chakras resonate would be universal as well.  Now comes the problem with our physiological differences.  Not everybody's chant will produce the same frequency.  The people that have overwhelming success with these techniques must be able to naturally produce the frequencies required to tune their body into the frequencies of their chakras while those that have no success must be "out of tune" so-to-speak.

Therefore, what I was wondering was that if the people who have success chanting their bodies in tune with their chakras would record the EXACT sound they create while performing the meditation.

If all the chant is doing is synchronizing the resonating frequency of the body with that of the chakra, then the sound could be digitally reproduced at the EXACT frequency, played over loudspeakers and viola, body is in tune with chakra.

Also, my second thought with this would be that people to try to chant at the same frequency that is being played over the loudspeaker if replicating the frequency is simply not enough.

So please, if you've had success, record the sound you make while chanting, contact me, and I will digitally replicate the frequency you are hitting and then release an mp3 or ogg file so we can all test it together.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: DustinEwan on July 27, 2005, 19:06:28
Okay, just as an experiment, I recorded my own first attempt at the technique and discovered that to get the vibrations into my forehead it required a tone of 1147.16Hz but that it also varied on up 1180.00Hz.  Not knowing which one produced the right frequency I just created a sound that fluctuated between the two.  Just by playing the noise over the loudspeakers and concentrating on my third-eye or brow chakra eye could feel sensations there.  It also produced rippling in my vision (reported by another user).

According to BWGEN (which I used to produce the file) by creating binaural beats you stimulate the brain more.  Binaural beats are supposedly more dramatic when using headphones vs. loudspeakers.  Give both a try.

You can download the file here (http://www.phunkploid.com/Third_Eye_Frequency.ogg).

Any feedback would be appreciated!

Note:  You will need to be able to play Ogg Vorbis file formats on your PC to be able to listen to this.  I know for a fact that WinAMP can play the file and Nero can decode it for burning it to a CD-ROM.  If you are unable to play the file, do a google for Ogg Vorbis Codec and you should find everything necessary.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: C_P on July 28, 2005, 22:33:28
I am definantly not going to try anything from a website that shows the pentagram upsidedown everywhere, has the name satan in the domain, and I do not want to judge, but people who even try to give any repute to the devil is just plain dumb.  :wink:


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: MiddleWay on July 29, 2005, 11:34:24
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I am definantly not going to try anything from a website that shows the pentagram upsidedown everywhere, has the name satan in the domain, and I do not want to judge, but people who even try to give any repute to the devil is just plain dumb.  :wink:


Why?

Because the hateful, jealous, genocidal, prejudiced, vindictive god of the Bible, who is threatening everyone to do as he commands or suffer in fire, says Satan is bad?

When has Satan ever threatened anyone to torment for no reason?

In any case there is no such thing as satanic energy. Energy is energy. That site was designed for shock value which makes it pretty hard to take them seriously sometimes.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: C_P on July 29, 2005, 17:59:50
Quote from: MiddleWay
Quote from: C_P
I am definitely not going to try anything from a website that shows the pentagram upside down everywhere, has the name satan in the domain, and I do not want to judge, but people who even try to give any repute to the devil is just plain dumb.  :wink:


Why?

Because the hateful, jealous, genocidal, prejudiced, vindictive god of the Bible, who is threatening everyone to do as he commands or suffer in fire, says Satan is bad?

When has Satan ever threatened anyone to torment for no reason?

In any case there is no such thing as satanic energy. Energy is energy. That site was designed for shock value which makes it pretty hard to take them seriously sometimes.


Well, honestly, if you look at the bible, God is giving these people in the world that cheat on their wives, worship satan, kill, etc exactly what they want. Now, give me a passage in the Bible where God is any of those descriptors you gave me. God puts us in hell because we choose to do so, the people that go to hell, want to be separated from God. Hell is not a wasteland, it is just an area where God is not there, at all.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on July 29, 2005, 19:39:57
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Okay, just as an experiment, I recorded my own first attempt at the technique and discovered that to get the vibrations into my forehead it required a tone of 1147.16Hz but that it also varied on up 1180.00Hz. Not knowing which one produced the right frequency I just created a sound that fluctuated between the two. Just by playing the noise over the loudspeakers and concentrating on my third-eye or brow chakra eye could feel sensations there. It also produced rippling in my vision (reported by another user).

Certainly such experiment is interesting, but for me the file didn't work. The voice has probably many frequencies, and some spread mostly through bones and tissue and not neccesarily have to be the loudest or even audible. Also the speed of the sound in the bones is  much higher than in the air, so the frequency will be different too.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on July 29, 2005, 19:50:21
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God puts us in hell because we choose to do so, the people that go to hell, want to be separated from God. Hell is not a wasteland, it is just an area where God is not there, at all.

Only christians go to hell. Do you think all the Hindu people will go to hell for breaking ten commandments? Or have all ancient Egyptians gone to hell?
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Now, give me a passage in the Bible where God is any of those descriptors you gave me.

Ten commandments, human and animal sacrifice, choosen nation and etc. But this is not a thread about this. We can start another thread for discussion about religion and bible.


Title: Dark forces that steal your energy
Post by: pap169 on September 10, 2005, 21:00:55
I went to that site and as soon as I was focusing on those pages I could feel myself getting dizzy as if i was feeling the dark energy that was behind it, that's why it says that you will get a headache but all they are doing is sucking your energy.

What we focus on we give energy to. When we do the exercises that are on the site we are opening ourselves through our free will to connecting with the person that wrote the words and even worse the negative entities that want to suck our energies.

Just as there are good people in life, there are bad people also. Where do they go when they die?

Do they stop existing?

Do forces exist that want to steal your energy?

The very fact that you are here reading these words means that you believe that there is more to life than what there seems.

Most people would laugh at you if you talked about leaving the body.

For a full explanation of the forces that exist go to this site:

http://www.askrealjesus.com/Q_OVERCOMEEGO/EGOQUESTIONS/focusondevil.html

or go  here:

http://www.marysdivinedirection.com/J_ADVMES/LORRAINE/MMaryLuciferinaconsc101004.html


If you are looking for a great way to increase your energy and help the world these are the most powerful techniques i know and they will open all your chakra and raise your kundalini. They really work go to:

http://www.marysdivinedirection.com/H_WHYROSARIES/Rosarytestimonials.html

then do this :

http://www.askrealjesus.com/P_MOTHER_MARY/AB_ROSARIES/R20.GoldenAge.html

for tools to protect you from these negative entities:


go to :

http://www.askrealjesus.com/J_SPIRITUALTOOLBOX/AASpiritualtoolMAIN.html


Next year the world will change the Tsunami and New Orleans is just the beginning. What will you do> will you be prepared?
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Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on September 10, 2005, 23:07:49
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What we focus on we give energy to. When we do the exercises that are on the site we are opening ourselves through our free will to connecting with the person that wrote the words and even worse the negative entities that want to suck our energies.

Any proofs of that? You are just spreading fear.
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Next year the world will change the Tsunami and New Orleans is just the beginning. What will you do> will you be prepared?

Many religious fanatics have been saying that for years, and nothing happened... Such beliefs are only good to control people who don't need any evidence to believe in something. I can't wait until 2012 to see disappointment on the faces of all those doomsday believers :)


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: star on September 11, 2005, 05:36:40
This is already covered


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Yes, mindless, now that so much time has passed since these ancient texts were written and people's beliefs have taken over their ability to think rationally, it works the other way around as well.

But...the fact remains that:

The writers of the bible INVENTED 'Satan'. Without Christianity, 'Satan' would never have been an image in anyone's imagination.

In other words, Christianity made 'Satan' in the image of the 'ultimate bad guy' that they needed to 'save people from'.

This does not mean that there are no 'bad guys' out there. But rather, that the image of Satan is purely Christian.

Peace,
Beth


I think Buddha-hood came long before the super "Christ Self" Ideal as well.

I can't be sure though, feeling much too lazy to check.

BTW I can quote from other posts without permission rght?


Title: Opening 3rd Eye
Post by: DarkMind on September 16, 2005, 23:21:26
Hi all,

since my post is so far back in the topic, it will probably be missed. (I hope the moderators don't mind I start another thread on this, perhaps in the future?)

Personally, I would suggest that people ought be to aware of the risks associated with doing anything to open the 3rd Eye. Once people are aware of the risks and they still want to do it, at least, they have been warned.

From what I understand, (will those experienced ones out there please correct me?) I make a distinction between the yin-yang eye and the Divine Eye (what the "3rd Eye" means depends on your own terminology).

Yin-yang eye: can only see lower-plane entities (ghosts, demons, and other negative plane entities)

Divine Eye: can see beings from all dimensions (besides seeing everything that the 3rd eye can see, the Divine Eye can also see higher-level entities such as devas/angels).

Can anyone will direct personal experience correct me if I am wrong? Thanks. I consider myself a newbie and I don't claim to know for sure about such things.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Toshi on September 22, 2005, 15:01:24
www.freewebs.com/ryuu/


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Ryuji on September 29, 2005, 22:12:08
sigh, religion such pain in the butt. everything gets blamed or weight up on something someone wrote or said or if its not understood lets put it in a category that has been thought to be this or that. the only power in things is the power which you add to it for that a matter a keyboard can become possessed if you think all the time its evil. (how will the lion sleep at night being told that a mouse is scary not even having seen a mouse in his life)

anywhays all i want to know is

opening up all chakras and rising the Prana or opening up the Kundalini
since they seem the be different things from what ive gatherd so far and connected to all energy related things like astral or telekinsis.

blessings,
Ryu


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Astralbermudian on January 17, 2006, 00:47:13
well after reading all the posts on the last 10 pages....I gotta say that I'm intrigued and skeptical, this thread reeks of I dunno, theories and just plain oddities.....Come on...the  Orion reptile? Whatever, anyway has anyone else gained the correct third-eye vision which is able to see neg entities?


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Squirrelly on January 25, 2006, 04:52:05
I tried this meditation and sometimes I felt a very slight pressure somewhere on my forehead. And today, I tried to find the exact correct position where the shock would occur, Once I gently touched a certain place on my finger, a pain went up my arm. Is this supposed to happen? Lol.

Also, Cacodemon, you said that you enjoyed watching the wittle cutesy negs (I believe everything has some good in them, even the evil people who break your lawn gnomes) running on your wall. Could this meditation have brought those negs into your house? Just wondering.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on January 25, 2006, 16:22:32
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Also, Cacodemon, you said that you enjoyed watching the wittle cutesy negs (I believe everything has some good in them, even the evil people who break your lawn gnomes) running on your wall. Could this meditation have brought those negs into your house? Just wondering.

No. Negs were attracted by hate and emotional pain, as nearly always.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: astraluminated on January 25, 2006, 17:46:10
Astralbermudian on your question off seeing negs, from the way you all describe negs i get they are all evil but i haven't read all ten pages so forgive me if i am wrong.
I think negs are just a certain kind off energetic entities that may have different kinds of moralities.
And for the seeing question, i don't want to brag but it might be that i am able to sometimes faintly see them, sometimes i see certain shadows varrying in sises flying through my room(there's a lot off them in the bathroom, it's problably with my auravision that i see them, although my auravision is really not spectacular but sometimes is funny.

However some negs or whatever you wanna call them are really bad, one night one of those guys attacked me while i was kind of in F10 state, so i had my mental barriers down, thats my theory.
It shot some sort off energy-sphere at my head, and days after that it felt like that part off my aura was really messed-up. Next time i'll put a shield up

But some negs are funny, they always try to flee from my focus point. Probrably scared senseless of mee lol


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Squirrelly on January 26, 2006, 00:05:55
You know, I have browsed through forums and lots of them say that negs are evil, malevolent creatures. I haven't opened my third eye yet. But just like us, they need food to maintain existence. So they are our predators and we are their prey. Maybe negs only need to drain our energy so they can survive. It's like an instinct. Think about the people that resorted to cannabalism that were stuck in the snowy mountains. Think about how lions have to kill a deer a day so their family could live. You don't have to believe me. I'm just a newbie. But I tend to think about both sides of the conflict before making assumptions. Who knows? I might even be a neg in disguise!  :twisted:


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: hugo on January 26, 2006, 06:57:03
I think that you're pretty spot on with that Squirrelly.  From my experience neg entities are just doing what they believe is best for them.  Sometimes what they believe is best for them happens to be not the best for me though.  I do my best to keep perspective on things.  If something is going to harm me I protect myself.  Just as I'd protect myself from a lion that was trying to eat me.  I don't let my "understanding the other perspective" stop me from looking after myself.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Orygbus on March 16, 2006, 00:15:51
5 of Ashida Kim mudras are used in the 666 meditation...

Cross refference A.K. and the 666 meditation, I think the 666 meditation has a few misplace mudra (assuming that they didn't create this meditation) ie: the base mudras (should be Sacral), sacral mudra (should be Solar Plexus), and solar plexus mudra (should be Base)...

I think this partly explained why I had some results with the correct mudra but nothing with the incorrect mudras....

I don't know whether the mantra is correct or not since I never heard of them....

Quote from: Bonden
I found another source of the mudras on another page. They have use the same Mundras but no humming or something like that, at least not on what I've read so far. However they have different breathing techniques. I think they are pretty tricky to get the hang of, like hold your breath for like 9 heart beats. Here is where I found it:

http://ashidakim.com/stb.html


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: dea on March 22, 2006, 02:52:06
Heyo, found a similar exercise for 3rd eye opening in Doug De Long's book on ancient teachings for beginners... the difference being that there's no mudra and the syllable used is "Thoh", rhyming with toe.  (I'm having a pretty hard time with trying to say "Thoh" without losing the vibration of tongue against teeth!!)  It similarly advises that this exercise be separated by a 24 hr period.

"Thoh" is for the 3rd eye
and the syllable to chant for crown chakra is "May" with concentrating on moving energy from the brow up to the crown, from brow - middle of brain - to crown.

His book says that "Thoh" need be done only once to open the 3rd eye but that "May" can be done repeatedly to enhance skills such as clairvoyance.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: daem0n on March 26, 2006, 20:55:26
using satanic meditations opens yourself to satan, demonic influence and possesion
even though they use other sources, they are contaminated
i used them, and i regret it, the influence may not be immediately felt, but slowly builds up, to manifest months later
don't do it

(i turned christian because anything else i tried couldn't get rid of this s h i t, finally found God, Love and true self, for a bit of preaching ;) )


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: father_satans_follower on March 26, 2006, 21:01:28
daem0n, you tried those meditations on the JOS? Were you a Satanist and that time?

~F S F~


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: daem0n on March 26, 2006, 21:33:01
yes, i tried, no, i weren't
i looked at them as another way of moving energy, not asking Satan nor any demon for help, certainly not making any bond
silly ..


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: father_satans_follower on March 27, 2006, 09:40:44
Are you calling me silly?
Oh and why do you say those meditations are Satanic? Just cause they are on a Satanic site? Those chakra meds can be found in alot of new age books and stuff. Billions do them world wide.

~F S F~


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: daem0n on March 27, 2006, 16:10:12
no, i was calling myself silly
as i said, they are duped, learning them from this site creates bond, it did in my case, not because of their text, but energy attached to it
in addition to that one of the "priests" who left the group claimed that using them from this site sends energy to energy vortex Maxime uses, there is a link around here, Caco posted there so ask him
when you use channeled knowledge found in new age or twinked meditations on JOS (improved with help of thoth etc), bear in mind that using it has it's price, one i am not willing to pay for


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on March 28, 2006, 14:43:42
Can you tell us more about it, Daem0n? I think that you are right(but I figured it out too late), and I'd really like to know more about this "contamination".(what kind of problems you had, how did you deal with it, etc.). If you don't want to talk about it in the forums then please PM me.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: daem0n on March 28, 2006, 21:42:10
first i would ask you to change the topic to don't do this meditation
i've been dealing with loads of different entities and systematically penetrated, up until i converted to christianity and started to recieve help of higher beings, which in time got rid of "lower level" beings infiltrating me

i did a rendez-vous of all my occult activity and been instructed to "close the doors" so to say from each stupid move, and redo each and every one of them, and been sieving increasingly more powerful entities (their influence on me, they have loads of humans they harvest from, not really sitting in one of them), that's how i got to the time when i started doing this meditations

funnily enough the first night after chanting them (1.5 year ago) i dreamed about goat headed being levitating with large upside-down pentagram in the background, but dismissed it as just being scared of the site or something ..
the chakra the meditation is done on is opened to influence involuntarily, you wonder why the 3 eye is the first one ..
some of them i recall safe (won't tell which one for obvious reasons), but i am not looking back on that site, ever
the only way to get rid of it is to brake the bond with the power of a higher being more powerful then them (higher spiritual authority), in my case it was Jesus Christ, but it took some months, and will take some years to fully clean this up, because the beings in question are partially merged with parts of my unconsciousness, and i need to make them conscious to cast them out - or archangel Michael will weaken them enough for banishing, whichever comes first


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: daem0n on April 01, 2006, 22:33:58
oh, Father Satans Follower, he won't let you go if you decide to love and be conscious, let alone powerful


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Donal on April 01, 2006, 23:20:25
What is "astral RTZ"?


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: pip on April 06, 2006, 15:13:10
i am satanist for over a year now and i am successfully using meditations from the topic's site


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: daem0n on April 07, 2006, 02:08:24
it depends what you define by success :) i had my results too


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on April 07, 2006, 09:59:36
Hello,

I took part in this thread some time ago and I did find it really useful.

As I said in my first impressions those hands positions (mudras) and sounds (mantras) are but yoga science's knowledge attached to chakra working. I practiced it for a while but I must admit I didn't put much effort on it because I prefer plain mental work.

Anyway, could someone explain exactly what those evil effects are?, when do they appear? and why is so difficult to get rid of them?.

Won't it be that you have been dealing with energies you're unable to control and that because of that your being has gone overwhelmed?. I don't think that's bad per se, it would be like trying to solve a mathematical equation without knowing how to sum and rest before.

That's one of the very first things I understood when I studied NLP, that every thing's understanding changes if you change your viewpoint. What it's evil for one may be good for other.

Some time ago I put in practice a mantra while I was walking in the street. It had such a great effect that I even lost the perception of reality (or at least what we know as reality). It took me some time to recover from that experience and to know where the frontier between this Maya and mind's occult realm is. Even today, when I change my mind's perception (that's an inner sensation I can not explain correctly in language terms) that same effect comes back and I need to keep strongly in my mind reality's reference points not to "get lost".

Going back to the theme of the thread, I know there are several books describing both devils and angels' names, powers and ways to domain them in order to take advantage of their skills.  There are even simple techniques in order to contact them just doing tratakam (staring without blinking) on a reflective surface. When a certain mind state has been achieved then you summon the force. I think it's a sort of meditative exercise which opens your mind up to receive upper energies or deities which, so to say someway, settle down on your mind making you more complete.

Please, I'd like to know more about these processes in terms of experience. If some of those satanists that have taken part in here could give me some feedback of these practices (by email, if you don't want to show it here) I'd be very grateful.

In fact, what I don't have really clear about this universe and solar system in particular, is the level of consciousness that have all those spirit that cohabit with us.

Thanks a lot for your help.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: esoel on April 07, 2006, 12:36:50
A few thoughts just from reading the post.

The world is nowdays all about fast benefits, buy today, pay tomorrow, be rich and so on.

what came to mind is that with theese exersizes are sort of the same thing getting benefits fast and not actually doing any work for it.

Opposed to working with energy to that extent that your other chakras are opened and overflowing with energy before opening the third eye.

Think of it as a glass, if it is empty and you pour something in it. It gets filled up with whatever is poured in, but it the glass is full, then there will at least be a blend of what is being pored in, and the liquid already in the glass.

So what are the differences, if a experienced energy worker does theese meditations compared to someone completly new to working with energy?

Will the experienced person suffer as much? Or will he have a sort of resistance from having his/hers energy reserves in the other chakras already filled up?

As for me, i have not tried the methods yet, nor am i an experienced person in theese matters though i have used the NEW methods for quite some time.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: GANAMOHA on April 09, 2006, 07:20:02
I have a quick question, about this meditation just trying it to see how it felt or its efectivity I could not feel this shock or sharp pinch it had described is it really that apparent or just the pain from your nail preesing into your other finger?


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: daem0n on April 21, 2006, 01:18:42
Ganamoha:
With all due respect, i have not written my post just for fun or out of delusion,
neither Caco changed the first post.  
If you did this meditation and chanted (or if you haven't noticed invoked), you need help, NOW. Find someone not over the net, but in your vicinity, who is a  p r o f e s s i o n a l. Just as the rest of you who feel "fine".

Do a rosary and check if you feel sick, nervous or want to throw up, if so, you're possesed, sorry.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on April 21, 2006, 07:56:59
Quote from: daem0n
Ganamoha:
With all due respect, i have not written my post just for fun or out of delusion,
neither Caco changed the first post.  
If you did this meditation and chanted (or if you haven't noticed invoked), you need help, NOW. Find someone not over the net, but in your vicinity, who is a  p r o f e s s i o n a l. Just as the rest of you who feel "fine".

Do a rosary and check if you feel sick, nervous or want to throw up, if so, you're possesed, sorry.


Isn't possessed a very hard word?... even catholic church takes a lot of care when it has to recognize a possession.

I insist neither of you have told us about what facts you base your conclusions in.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: kiwibonga on April 21, 2006, 09:00:02
Man... Thank god I got lazy and decided to try other techniques :O

*wipes sweat*

In any case, would someone be interested in taking the good parts from that site and making a new page out of it, leaving out all the satanic/dangerous stuff?


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: pip on April 21, 2006, 15:01:09
Quote from: daem0n
Ganamoha:
With all due respect, i have not written my post just for fun or out of delusion,
neither Caco changed the first post.  
If you did this meditation and chanted (or if you haven't noticed invoked), you need help, NOW. Find someone not over the net, but in your vicinity, who is a  p r o f e s s i o n a l. Just as the rest of you who feel "fine".

Do a rosary and check if you feel sick, nervous or want to throw up, if so, you're possesed, sorry.


Man, you have lost your mind completely, bahahaha


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: daem0n on April 21, 2006, 17:37:53
pip:
:) suit yourself, i take you don't understand what rosary is ?

andonitxo:
it creates a bond that acts as a back door if the force behind meditation wishes to use it
what i suffered because of that connection:
energy drain
corruption of psychic abilities (they are partially working, but in a peculiar and distorted way that additionally sends energy through that connection)
presence of not so benelovent entities within my mind and energy body brainwashing and partially controlling me for quite a long time
and they still have some influence on me, slowly regaining from it


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Squirrelly on April 21, 2006, 18:17:24
I hoped I did this meditation wrong  :shock: I haven't felt anything, or even the presence of negs, so thank God i'm not possessed.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: daem0n on April 21, 2006, 19:36:15
this is not about "doing it", but noticing subtle (or not so subtle) sensations during it, if you experience negative symptoms while you feel fine before and after it something is up
i guess it's time for my big time favourite, it will cleanse and remove everything when prayed consistently:
(no need to associate with any religion, although you're asking a favour)

I take on the power of the Resurrected Christ against every attack of Satan aimed at me,
and in the Name of Jesus I break every generational or personal dominion of spirits,
Who torment me or my generation.
I put on the helm of salvation and the armor of justice,
I belt myself with truth and shod myself with good news about peace.
I accept the shield of faith and sword of Spirit, which is the Word of God.
In the name of Jesus Christ, using the power owned by me,
I bind you Satan and you, unclean spirits
In earth, air, water, fire, atmosphere and hell,
And in all satanic forces of nature.
I forbid you any communication or ties with me, I reject you totally.
In the Name Father, and Son, and Holy Spirit,
I bind and repel every spirit not coming from Jesus Christ,
And I command you to leave me, my beloved, and my possesions.
I bind and break all satanic offerings, curses,
Markings, enchantments, sorcery, and everything of like nature,
And all diseases brought on me and my family
By whichever messenger or brought by our own faults and sins.
In the Name of Jesus Christ I bind all spirits of North, South, East and West,
And all other evil spirits
Attempting to influence members, functioning and property of our community.
Dear Lord, send your angels to these territories,
To lead your people back to You.
Immaculate Mary, clothe me in light, power and strengh of Your Faith.
Father, send your angels and saints to aid me.
I ask my Guardian Angel to protect me from sin.
I thank you Jesus for being my wisdom,
My justice, my holiness, and my redemption.
I dedicate myself to serving the Holy Spirit.
Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

St. Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle
Be our protection against the wickedness
And snares of the devil;
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray,
And thou, O Prince of heavenly host,
By the power of God,
Thrust into hell Satan and all evil spirits
Who wander through the world for the ruin of souls.
Amen


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on April 24, 2006, 15:08:14
I've not practiced it, but according to what I've read:

1.Clean up your thoughts and, especially, detach from everyday's concerns.
2.Prepare your body (proper dress, feeding, breathing,...).
3.Get into a trance (relaxation, dances, tratakam, lights,...).
4.Do some "opening" ritual, something that establishes the begining of the invocation.
4.Summon some force you want to contact with (visualization, vibrations, sigils,...).
5.Do something with it: confine it, ask it, absorb it,..
6.Do another "closing" ritual.
7.Let your body adapt from the experience.

This is what "wizards" do when summoning a spirit. There's a good description in Franz Bardon's books.

But from that to your exercise I insist there's a great difference. I put a question on the yoga group (alt.yoga) and they don't see nothing evil in the exercises...

Maybe we don't have all the data about you or your previous experiences. Perhaps you are a medium or so and that's why you're more sensitive to them.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: rave_master_naruto on April 24, 2006, 15:13:13
if that practice involves satan then quit that activity. It is better that you dont know how to manipulate energy than to manipulate using satanic ways......

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Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: pip on April 24, 2006, 16:33:50
Quote from: daem0n
pip:
:) suit yourself, i take you don't understand what rosary is ?

andonitxo:
it creates a bond that acts as a back door if the force behind meditation wishes to use it
what i suffered because of that connection:
energy drain
corruption of psychic abilities (they are partially working, but in a peculiar and distorted way that additionally sends energy through that connection)
presence of not so benelovent entities within my mind and energy body brainwashing and partially controlling me for quite a long time
and they still have some influence on me, slowly regaining from it


well i have totally opposite results !
manifestation of psychic abilities
energy abundance
no one controlling me


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: pip on April 24, 2006, 16:41:02
Quote from: rave_master_naruto
if that practice involves satan then quit that activity. It is better that you dont know how to manipulate energy than to manipulate using satanic ways......

........
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why ? because TV or church institution or false bible ( please people do some research ) says that Satan is evil ?


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on April 24, 2006, 17:26:06
Quote from: pip
Quote from: rave_master_naruto
if that practice involves satan then quit that activity. It is better that you dont know how to manipulate energy than to manipulate using satanic ways......

........
........


why ? because TV or church institution or false bible ( please people do some research ) says that Satan is evil ?


I agree at all. But we must not forget that what could be "evil" is our physical structure if we consider it in terms of receiving energy from upwards.

I mean, if your body is not prepared for certain subtle energies and they are forced to download into your chakras maybe your mind, closely related to your energy system, would start to amaze. And that's not evil, it's just an "overloading" of your system, and for sure your mind would think of it as "what's going on?". Your ego fights for mind's stability and it gets really nervous when things change suddenly.

In fact, the veils that maintain our minds' stability are really thin and delicate. What would happen if a wind blow would throw away the curtain letting the sun in? (mmm, quite platonic example ;-)).


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: pip on April 25, 2006, 10:35:21
exactly

that's why it has to be taken slowly if you feel it's to much

it includes any energy work


Title: Re: Opening 3rd Eye
Post by: Molo on April 27, 2006, 06:21:44
Quote from: DarkMind

Yin-yang eye: can only see lower-plane entities (ghosts, demons, and other negative plane entities)

Divine Eye: can see beings from all dimensions (besides seeing everything that the 3rd eye can see, the Divine Eye can also see higher-level entities such as devas/angels).


Here is an interesting writing about different levels of 3rd eye:
http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/zfl_new_2.html

"Buddhists talk about the five powers: Flesh Vision, Divine Vision, Wisdom Vision, Law Vision, and Buddha Vision."

Third eye can be according to text "activated" by other entity so that the eye isn't actually open but we're seeing things through entity that is attached to us.. In healing case the entity in our back "heals" with it's hands while we think we're doing it.

Maybe those reiki masters are attaching those entitys to us?
It's not a real healing ability.


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: GANAMOHA on April 30, 2006, 22:06:06
Daem0n:
excuse my recent absences in the forum I was consulting a doctor about my head spinning in circles and my projectile vomiting occurring every half hour or so. my doctor told me I just had a minor case of possession and I died..............but of course, I did get better


Title: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: pip on May 01, 2006, 11:40:11
Quote from: GANAMOHA
Daem0n:
excuse my recent absences in the forum I was consulting a doctor about my head spinning in circles and my projectile vomiting occurring every half hour or so. my doctor told me I just had a minor case of possession and I died..............but of course, I did get better


i bet Jesus saved you


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: EyeOfNewt on September 06, 2006, 00:32:55
Ok so as for the site being 'satanic' it did seem that way but it also used nordic runes as well and also seemed to show a misguiding  view of satanism that makes me think that the creator doesn't even really know what satanism is about.

Meditation in it's self cannot really be evil or good (few things if any are). Meditation is more like a protocal to achieve a certain state of mind. You cant meditate and open yourself up to molevolent forces, you can just increase the energy flow to certain places in order to open them up and give you access to the greater energy whatever you would like to call it, chi, prana, mana, god, goddess. And your connection to that greater energy does NOT act as an opening for negative forces.

Also it seems like this thread has gotten a bit...agitated by some religious comments. I am knew to the forums but as for me it seems like its better to not call other religions flawed here. And try to present your input in a less bias way. I am truly sorry if it seems like I'm belittling anyone or coming off as arrogent, this is just based on a few negative comments I've seen on this thread.  :lol:


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Mydral on September 06, 2006, 12:41:54


why ? because TV or church institution or false bible ( please people do some research ) says that Satan is evil ?

No because you will become like the thing you worship:

A nazi
selfish
full of hatred against certain groups of people
wanting to controll people by fear and power
etc. etc.

This has nothing to do with religion, but there is always good and bad which balance each other out. For everything good in the world there is bad.
Your bad, not externally, but internally since thats what Satanism is really about. Everything involves fear of your masters and hatred against outsiders, exspecially Jews.
If your against the Church thats fine, I am also against them with certain things, but beeing a Satanist is wrong. Even if Satan is our true God, it would still be wrong to follow him, because of what he wants with us.
Please change your life, I can't stress that enough.


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: MiddleWay on September 18, 2006, 02:36:13
Can you tell us more about it, Daem0n? I think that you are right(but I figured it out too late), and I'd really like to know more about this "contamination".(what kind of problems you had, how did you deal with it, etc.). If you don't want to talk about it in the forums then please PM me.

What exactly did you figure out too late? Exactly what happened?

Does it have a relation to sex?


Title: Re: Opening 3rd Eye
Post by: DarkMind on November 15, 2006, 18:53:58


Here is an interesting writing about different levels of 3rd eye:
http://www.falundafa.org/book/eng/zfl_new_2.html

"Buddhists talk about the five powers: Flesh Vision, Divine Vision, Wisdom Vision, Law Vision, and Buddha Vision."

Third eye can be according to text "activated" by other entity so that the eye isn't actually open but we're seeing things through entity that is attached to us.. In healing case the entity in our back "heals" with it's hands while we think we're doing it.

Maybe those reiki masters are attaching those entitys to us?
It's not a real healing ability.

Hi, I haven't been surfing this forum for some time and I wasn't notified of this post due to my email settings.

Anyway, please be careful when reading about "Falun Dafa". They are reputed to be a cult, and they are certainly not recognized by any of the established/traditional Buddhist groups.



Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: DarkMind on November 15, 2006, 18:56:26
Can you tell us more about it, Daem0n? I think that you are right(but I figured it out too late), and I'd really like to know more about this "contamination".(what kind of problems you had, how did you deal with it, etc.). If you don't want to talk about it in the forums then please PM me.

Hi, how are things? You probably forgot who I am. Anyway, hope things are fine on your side :)

Karuna (Compassion)



Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on November 17, 2006, 18:25:11
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Hi, how are things? You probably forgot who I am. Anyway, hope things are fine on your side Smiley

Karuna (Compassion)
Just excellent :). I had serious problems with depression for the most part of my life, and that was why I was looking into the metaphysics.Few months ago I found  an excellent book from which I learned how to deal with my problems and now I can honestly say that I am happy with my life. The name of the book is "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle, and in my opinion it's really worth reading. I have an electronic version of it, if anyone's interested.


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: DarkMind on November 17, 2006, 18:28:37
Just excellent :). I had serious problems with depression for the most part of my life, and that was why I was looking into the metaphysics.Few months ago I found  an excellent book from which I learned how to deal with my problems and now I can honestly say that I am happy with my life. The name of the book is "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle, and in my opinion it's really worth reading. I have an electronic version of it, if anyone's interested.

That's great :)

Is it a large file?


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on November 17, 2006, 18:30:31
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What exactly did you figure out too late? Exactly what happened?

Does it have a relation to sex?
No. I think it's more of an "energy link", a very harmful one.
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That's great Smiley

Is it a large file?
680kb


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: daem0n on January 01, 2007, 09:16:26
just because i joined Church it doesnt mean i forgot my knowledge, or stopped thinking
i also learned that whether u see something as good or flawed doesn't mean anything aside u are good and see flaw, or u are flawed and see good, or u are flawed and see flaw
i cannot stress that enough, and wont argue any of Church's standpoints, since i partially disagree with some of them still

however, Jesus heals, and promotes love and compassion (my perception)
Satan is a leech, i tried fighting Satan before i joined church out of helplessness

about the "bad thing" u can find the quote that the meditations are filled with satanic energy, which is in no way neutral to you, and may also have it's own agenda, theoretically (or practically in my and Caco's case), these are common meditations, but what matters is, what was the source of knowledge and energy associated
rosary means invoking force of Mary, to which Satan/related energies react violently

at the time i was responding i didn't have accurate knowledge of terms, by possesion i meant opening of oneself, ones mind, emotions,soul and energy body to demonic manipulation (think inserted emotions, thoughts, leeching, etheric devices etc, the things negs work hard to be able to do)

and just because i state truths associated with Church, it doesn't mean i have flawed religious standpoint, i simply state the truth
whether the forces are belonging to Mary, Jesus etc is an open debate, there are no doubts that they work

PS Caco u may wish to buy the book since it's so good


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on January 03, 2007, 16:33:53
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PS Caco u may wish to buy the book since it's so good
You're right, if not the shipping costs I certainly would(it's only 11$ on amazon.com). Right now I can't buy it, because of one thing I promised.


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: daem0n on January 15, 2007, 13:02:59
http://wysylkowa.com/ks730663.html
http://awyd.blink.pl/index.php?main_page=pubs_product_book_info&products_id=32
http://www.lideria.pl/sklep/opis?nr=35497


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: lily moonsong on January 17, 2007, 19:04:30
Hehe.. I haven't read the posts on this thread yet.. so this may be off topic.... I will read them in a second.. but right now, I just wanted to say.. I find it humorous that the title is DON'T do this meditation.. yet it has 10,000views and 10 pages of responses!  It reminds me of human's nature and desire to do something just because someone told them not to. :evil:


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: daem0n on January 22, 2007, 13:02:01
the title was most powerful meditation i have tried for a year or so


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: AstralVibe on February 27, 2007, 05:07:44

I didn't have clairvoyant abilities before that(only that once I've seen a dead person floating behind the window, I didn't say anything, and 5 minutes later my brother saw it too. It attacked him in the astral few hours later - it was "silent hill" type of Neg), when my 3rd eye has opened I felt pressure there and of course slight headache(but it was a nice feeling)., I was also very happy. In dark rooms: 40cm big sipiders running on the walls, "electronic" type of Neg flying in my room, 5 cm bright orange ball of light when I summoned a demon and some other things. In daylight: a blue entity about the size of a human once, "sparks" in the sky.




CaCoDeMoN good noticing that, I actually found that webpage awhile ago, for the hand and feet chakra exercise. Although when I went to the main page, couldn't seem to find the chakra section (maybe I didn't look hard enough).

I was wondering if your able to talk to the negs and your spirit guide? Are you able to touch them since now your perception has been expanded. Is energy work a lot easier and more intense? Are you able to read from the Akasic record (correct me if I'm wrong). Are you able to see back and forth into time? Dead relatives, and multiple possible future? Not sure if this was answered already, but, can you turn it on and off, like a light switch?

I can't seem to find the right spot to put the hands and finger, do you actually get a shock when you do that? Are you suppose to do the hand technique when your making the vibration, or while in another meditation without it? Were you able to awaken it fully without following the whole order/process.

I seem to be feeling some cold sensation on the third eye, but no shock on the hand technique, is it necessary? And when I closed my eyes and meditation with out the vibration, then I see hundreds of tiny specks of light flashing. Was this the same for you? I don't get headache, although I'm wondering if it is require to fully open it. Please any help at all you could provide us people just starting out, would be greatly appreciated.

God and Devil
It seems there is alot of folks being afraid of the devil/satan/lucifer etc. From what I read, there is no actual ONE creator, nor is there a devil. Its all been created by false info + fear + imagination = manifestation. Thoughts are things, so if 2 billion people on earth believe their is a God etc, then it undoubtably will be  one when they pass to the other side, either naturally or un-naturally.  Think about it for a second guys and gals, if you were an infinite being (which you are), how would some evil group , be able to contain/control you (us)? Its very simple, with the mention above formula. We are all God, we are our own creator of all the negatives and positives in our lives. And Jesus Christ, according to Seth, a highly develope being, was an advance psychic (speaker as he calls it). And so is all the other highly respected figure such as Budha, Moses etc.  For more detail, I recommend all to read the book called "Seth Speaks," by Jane Roberts.


AstralVibe



Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: mikro on February 27, 2007, 10:32:01
to daem0n

are you still doing astral projection and energy work?


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on February 28, 2007, 14:47:56
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I was wondering if your able to talk to the negs and your spirit guide? Are you able to touch them since now your perception has been expanded. Is energy work a lot easier and more intense? Are you able to read from the Akasic record (correct me if I'm wrong). Are you able to see back and forth into time? Dead relatives, and multiple possible future? Not sure if this was answered already, but, can you turn it on and off, like a light switch?
I nearly completely stopped doing all energy work and trance meditation.  The most important meditation for me now is Vipassana-like meditation and it does not have anything to do with all such abilities. The meditation this topic is about is really not worth trying, it seems to give fast results at the beginning, but later the harm it has done becomes clearly visible. It can give you only neg attachements and mental problems and certainly no real progress.
I've seen negs frequently during OOBE/meditation but I never talked with them. My brother did so. Once during an OOBE I had fascinating conversation with someone that looked EXACTLY like me, and the funny thing is that in some way I knew that it's me. Maybe this can be called spirit guide or higher self, I have no idea.
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God and Devil
It seems there is alot of folks being afraid of the devil/satan/lucifer etc. From what I read, there is no actual ONE creator, nor is there a devil. Its all been created by false info + fear + imagination = manifestation. Thoughts are things, so if 2 billion people on earth believe their is a God etc, then it undoubtably will be  one when they pass to the other side, either naturally or un-naturally.  Think about it for a second guys and gals, if you were an infinite being (which you are), how would some evil group , be able to contain/control you (us)? Its very simple, with the mention above formula. We are all God, we are our own creator of all the negatives and positives in our lives. And Jesus Christ, according to Seth, a highly develope being, was an advance psychic (speaker as he calls it). And so is all the other highly respected figure such as Budha, Moses etc.  For more detail, I recommend all to read the book called "Seth Speaks," by Jane Roberts.
But how to tell a difference if the content of the book is true or not? And there's infinite variety of methaphysical models that frequently contradict each other. If we do not even understand things so basic like the gravity, how can anyone be sure about things like God, afterlife, etc. ? I have no idea if there's one creator or not, nor do I have any methods of experimentally verifying it. What I know is that I prayed to God for help many times and I recieved it. My brother also prayed many times and he says it gave no results. Sometimes it seems that some invisible force is helping me in my life, but it clearly wants to remain in the background.
The idea that Devil/Satan is  a thoughtform seems plausible, but the idea that typical Christian/Muslim/Jewish understanding of a God is also thoughtform. The other thing is that one word frequently is a label for many things, and for example God or Satan can be understood both literally as an entity or as an laber for some kind of metaphysic force acting in the universe, and there are many other meanings. I certainly can't agree on "creating your own reality stuff". Of course it is true that we can change the way we percieve the situation, and this can drastically change emotions created by the situation. We take part in the creation of reality by our actions, and indirectly by our thoughts(maybe directly too, but it's not certain to what extent). But there are many things independent of us and this cannot be denied.


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on February 28, 2007, 15:17:43
I must complain! To say that Devil could have some form (physical or of energy) is not only stupid, but gives christians power to scare other people, as they've been doing for centuries.

If there's some Devil is our animal instincts, our limitations, our physical structures that limit us, and so on...

It's nearly impossible to say that such techniques, the ones that started this thread, are harmful, because the only data recollected is what you've told us. And you are a unique universe with your own powers and limits, so there's no way to say what could happen in another subject.

Negs, if there's such thing, must be the astra creation of our subconscious emotions, which sometimes ride freely without control. The only really evilsh beings, as Franz Bardon said, are the spirits of Saturn, who are responsible of making people fulfill their karmas, whatever evil or unfair those karmas are.

The tehniques presented are clear yoga exercises. A combination of pranayama, mudras and mental yoga. Maybe you've opened some doors you're not able to deal with, yet.

I'm tired of listening about Devil. If you all would have a mystically logical and possitive viewpoint of life things would happen more natural and easily.


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: AstralVibe on February 28, 2007, 16:17:14

It's nearly impossible to say that such techniques, the ones that started this thread, are harmful, because the only data recollected is what you've told us. And you are a unique universe with your own powers and limits, so there's no way to say what could happen in another subject.
I agree with you here Andonitxo, there is no chant, at least I havn't found any yet on the Chakra I was working on. Although fear is a big mind barrier, I think he needs to reprogram his mind before going any further.

The tehniques presented are clear yoga exercises. A combination of pranayama, mudras and mental yoga. Maybe you've opened some doors you're not able to deal with, yet.

Yes they seem like Yoga methods indeed, I've heard and read a few yoga exercises before. Although they are a bit hard to pronounce.

I'm tired of listening about Devil. If you all would have a mystically logical and possitive viewpoint of life things would happen more natural and easily.

I don't think its a matter of being tired of it or not. Its whether people would finally face their fears, rather than always lingering behind (no offense, but you are your own barrier). It is 1000 times easier to just face your fears than to run away, and then knowing the fact that it will arise again in the future, giving you the same negative emotion.

One thing is for sure though, you manifest what you believe is true.

AstralVibe


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: AstralVibe on February 28, 2007, 16:23:46

I've seen negs frequently during OOBE/meditation but I never talked with them. My brother did so. Once during an OOBE I had fascinating conversation with someone that looked EXACTLY like me, and the funny thing is that in some way I knew that it's me. Maybe this can be called spirit guide or higher self, I have no idea.


Since your able to OBE, why don't you ask your spirit guide to show you the truth, rather than a false belief. What ever that maybe, thats what I would do. Once you are able to project consciously, you or your guide should be able to break through all the BS, and get the the real truth right? Or try to contact your higher self, as it is the one who knows all.

CaCoDeMoN, can you answer my previous questions please? Regardless of whether you think it is bad or not a good choice to activate it using those method. I will still proceed, as I do not want fear to hinder me from my progress. Astral projection can also rival this experience you are having, and probably in a more real way.

So telling others that it is dangerous and that they shouldn't practice it, would only intrigue/excite folks like myself. Isn't the point of this forum is to help each other? You see your fear of someone opening it and not being able to handle it, is actually counter productive. Why would you post in the first place, and not share what you experience?

And if there is a group who are afraid of this, then so be it, its their lost for losing to thier own fears.


AstralVibe


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on February 28, 2007, 16:32:15
The "think" he saw was not his guide. A guide doesn't look like yourself. For sure, it was a projection of his subconscious mind, his shadow, i.e., what it's not integrated in his mind.

You can learn a lot from her, just asking her what she needs from you in order to achieve "integration".


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: AstralVibe on February 28, 2007, 16:40:51
The "think" he saw was not his guide. A guide doesn't look like yourself. For sure, it was a projection of his subconscious mind, his shadow, i.e., what it's not integrated in his mind.

You can learn a lot from her, just asking her what she needs from you in order to achieve "integration".

I see, so is it like what I've heard about you entering into a higher frequency, and moving on to the next light body?

I havn't been trying to astral project, since my last quick conscious projection. As I am working on energy vibration etc. I'm getting very close to Consciously projecting anytime. As I can almost fully create the 3d blackness.

It would be neat talking to yourself, and learning from past and even higher self.

AstralVibe
So close I can feel it..


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on February 28, 2007, 16:47:24
Anyway there's no need for projection to talk to your sub. It's talking to you without any pause. Enter a relaxation state, close your eyes, have faith and call it. Your mind's pictures will start to change and a central image will take the focus. Talk to it. The more integrated, the more it will look like you. The more apart from you, the more obscure and formless it will be.

There're different theories about energy bodies. The best one I've heard is that one that says that your own mind, the one that doesn't change from plane to plane, constructs the bodies as it needs them. So if you project to the astral your mind will make up an astral body before moving on.

Look for the "body of light method" in the "Art and practice of astral projection. By Ophiel". A must.


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on February 28, 2007, 18:49:26
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Since your able to OBE, why don't you ask your spirit guide to show you the truth, rather than a false belief. What ever that maybe, thats what I would do. Once you are able to project consciously, you or your guide should be able to break through all the BS, and get the the real truth right? Or try to contact your higher self, as it is the one who knows all.
And why I should believe him then? How to objectively tell the difference between honesty and manipulation, and why assume that even the guide knows the truth? I noticed that those guides mostly give information that cannot be verified in any way, and basing my judgement on such informations would mean opening myself to manipulation. In my opinon it's better to think for yourself than believe in any dogma because of authority, without questioning it.
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CaCoDeMoN, can you answer my previous questions please? Regardless of whether you think it is bad or not a good choice to activate it using those method. I will still proceed, as I do not want fear to hinder me from my progress. Astral projection can also rival this experience you are having, and probably in a more real way.
I hope someone else will answer your question, because I do not want to be more responsible for this than I already am.
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So telling others that it is dangerous and that they shouldn't practice it, would only intrigue/excite folks like myself. Isn't the point of this forum is to help each other? You see your fear of someone opening it and not being able to handle it, is actually counter productive. Why would you post in the first place, and not share what you experience?
This is not about being able to control anything, this is about inviting something hostile into your energy(?) body. This meditation is modified(mainly the chants) in the way intended to do exactly this. I posted it because at time I did not know what it really is, and ONLY because of this.


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: AstralVibe on February 28, 2007, 19:49:55
And why I should believe him then? How to objectively tell the difference between honesty and manipulation, and why assume that even the guide knows the truth? I noticed that those guides mostly give information that cannot be verified in any way, and basing my judgement on such informations would mean opening myself to manipulation. In my opinon it's better to think for yourself than believe in any dogma because of authority, without questioning it.I hope someone else will answer your question, because I do not want to be more responsible for this than I already am. This is not about being able to control anything, this is about inviting something hostile into your energy(?) body. This meditation is modified(mainly the chants) in the way intended to do exactly this. I posted it because at time I did not know what it really is, and ONLY because of this.


So you think seeking guidance from your higher self or spirit guide will be a sort of manipulation? Thats the first time I heard someone mention that, although I respect your point of view, correct or not.

Since you do not want to give your experience, or comment on the correct way of doing some of the technique, then I won't force you. Although I want you to realize that, from a teachers/master perspective. When they are teaching martial arts, whether it be sword fighting, or sharp shooting, or hand to hand combat, in the back of their mind they will always be thinking will this do good or evil. That you cannot tell, all you can do is have faith in the person you taught. And this apply to everything that you learn/teach.

Everything can be a double edge sword, allowing your kids to play on the playground, or going out with their friends, or even going on a blind date, all can end in disaster. Limiting yourself or others by fearing it, is only going to rob you of the profound experience that you are suppose encounter.

But regardless, we will reach there with or without your help (don't take this personally). Its just the truth. 



AstralVibe
Seek and you shall find, ask and you shall receive...


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: AstralVibe on February 28, 2007, 19:56:48
Anyway there's no need for projection to talk to your sub. It's talking to you without any pause. Enter a relaxation state, close your eyes, have faith and call it. Your mind's pictures will start to change and a central image will take the focus. Talk to it. The more integrated, the more it will look like you. The more apart from you, the more obscure and formless it will be.

There're different theories about energy bodies. The best one I've heard is that one that says that your own mind, the one that doesn't change from plane to plane, constructs the bodies as it needs them. So if you project to the astral your mind will make up an astral body before moving on.

Look for the "body of light method" in the "Art and practice of astral projection. By Ophiel". A must.


Although the subconscious mind is a great help/teacher, I don't think it compares with your higher self. Not sure if they are one in the same, but from what I've read, they don't seem to be. Although the subconscious can access certain information from the universe/higher self.

The thing about talking to your subconscious mind is that its hard to tell if its you talking to yourself (and this is while your in beta/waking). And obviously if you are artificially producing a 2nd voice, its usually not information you could actually apply. I'm still trying to create a stronger connection to subconscious/higher self. I hear the subconscious mind talking, sometime I really believe that its my sub, and most of the time its my 2nd/lower self talking nonsense.


AstralVibe


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: andonitxo on February 28, 2007, 20:36:04
You won't find your higher self if you haven't integrate your sub before.

A real guide always speaks from love. He/she doesn't judge you, just guide you in an indirect way, and only if you've asked for it before.

You already know everything. A guide helps you remember. But he/she will let you fail if you are going to have some teaching from it.

In respect to your sub... it is tricky. But you can always ask it with the help of a pendulum, and after it you can check the validity of the answers.


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: daem0n on March 07, 2007, 12:57:43
i only practice prayer resulting in energy work performed on me by higher entities and order forces in the name of Jesus, or evoke angels and saints to help me as i am instructed
i wonder how many times i have to repeat it:
- i wasnt christian when i practised this meditation
- i wasnt christian when i started getting psychic attack
- i wasnt christian when i distinguished energy signatures of the attackers belonging to the energies i invoked during the meditations
- i turned christian to beat them out, after trying MANY things, many energies, many "benelovent" entities
- i turned christian because of immense hate they put in me against the Church, deducting its their real enemy
- i s u f f e r e d much from them
- i didnt fear them, ever, if anything, i fear for my relatives who started to suffer just as me
- i meditate average 6 hours everyday for 3 years straight, with little brakes, i undertook the meditations 2.5 half years ago and had time to think it through, believe me

as for subconscious, it belongs to so-called body knowledge, it doesnt speak in words, just in memories
however as u observe urself u can start to associate the memories, thoughts and emotions to your language, by trial and error by all means

the problem is consciousness has much more limited channel of information, so to translate u'd need to sieve the information into trains of thoughts associated with things that interest u, then associate the recieved info to ur learned knowledge (not in-born)

with time u learn to associate little conscious information to a set of subconscious memories and actions, and then use them as a guideline to interpret larger chunks of ur memory/higher senses,

u dont know what u are doing at that point, but u remember u have consciously grasped what u are doing ealier, and can recall that information if needed to update it

 like u get an idea from higher being and set it in ur subconscious, seeing if ur subconscious learned something against it, when u recieve the objection u follow the set of learned patterns to core idea, usually associated with attachment to in-born knowledge u learned to interpret unproperly

as for higher self/etc, u hear a voice in ur head/during projection,feel energy, its loving etc but u never know what it is
u can just stick to energies that make u better, so to say, i have no idea with whom i am doing what, i just know they respond to certain prayers and i feel better and learn important things for my life





Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Goetien on May 10, 2007, 05:00:22
Has anyone else had any negative results from these meditations?


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: LittleJoe on August 05, 2007, 21:59:45
I do these meditations on a regular basis, and haven't had any negative expierences whatsoever.

I think it's a great side, allthough I don't at all agree with the racism that is also on there.


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Curious39 on July 11, 2008, 17:54:09
Some time ago I read through this entire thread, prior to attempting any of these meditations.

What threw me from attempting them was, obviously, the risk of entity attraction and the "evil" alignment potentiality.

Since then, I've been educating myself ... learning as much as possible about the occult as I can.

I just remembered this thread today, read through it and decided that some of what I've learned might be beneficial to share.  This information may also be valuable because it may help open some doors to look at the structure contained behind the grounded world in which we operate daily.

First things first:  I do not share the beliefs of the site these meditations come from and I do not support their world view at all.

That said, I'll carry on.

My own philosophy is rather monastic, in the sense that I believe in a singular intelligent source of all things.  Now you may disagree, and that is certainly your prerogative, however it is the philosophical root of the points I will make, and therefore needed to be said right up front.

A simple way to arrive at this point is to follow the thought construct of, "... and what was before that?"  until you arrive at a point of universal initiation.  Meaning, take any subject and ask what came before that.  At some point, if you accept the causal force, you must arrive at a concept of "first thing."  That would be the universal, singular intelligence.  Call it God if you wish, call it The Force if you wish.  It is beyond label.  Qabbalistically, you would be looking beyond Kether to Ain, Ain Soph and Ain Soph Aur.  The point of, "no thing."

Here is where we either divide and decide that either the Source is separate from Its creation (dualism) or that this singular intelligent energy is potent enough to give life within to all its energy eminations (monastic belief).  For myself, the understanding that IT is all there is means that there can be nothing larger (greater, bigger, smaller, inner or outer).  It cannot divide from itself because it is all there is.  The universe itself is contained within, not the other way around.

The Astral, therefore, is not something separate from you.  It is where your consciousness begins to unrefine and chart back upon the path that your essence travelled to become physical.  Reading the explorations Frank wrote on this site is a great example of the validity and shows that Jung was far more accurate than Rene Descartes who inaccurately decided that the mind and the body were separate.

String theory physics shows that there are in fact 11 dimensions... a far cry from the three we objectively believe to be our world.  The Qabbalists would nod and say, "of course."  In addition to the Ain, Ain Soph and Ain Soph Aur of the first cause, they would point out Kether, Chokmah, Binah, Chesed, Geburah, Tiphareth, Netzach, Hod, Yesod and Malkuth.  For those unfamiliar, these are the gradual refinement of the energy eminations from the first cause down to the physical world, where we are so scattered from the source that we have solidified.  All things, from the goldfish bowl to your cup of coffee, to your skin, thoughts, hopes and dreams are all as one, contained and generated from the same source.

With this interconnectedness, we have to understand that the concept of Yin/Yang becomes clear.  The balance of hot and cold energy exists within us, within our experiences and within our whole interconnected intelligence.  Jung's archetypes and collective unconcious.  We contain within us every demon, every "neg" and every god, angel or positive force that has ever existed or will exist.  While they are all within us, they are also independent and intelligent of their own. (for further reading, please see Carroll "Poke" Runyon and Lon Milo Duquette's works).

Mentioned earlier in this thread was Franz Bardon.  In his work, "Initiation into Hermetics" (IIH) a great deal of emphasis was placed on balancing the practitioner prior to developing further psychic abilities (such as clairvoyance).  This was so that no one particular aspect, positive or negative (read "angelic or demonic") of the individual would dominate and cause harm to the person.

That brings me to the meditations on this site.  The mastery and control over these energies is your birthright.  They are neither infused nor aligned malignantly, any more than the practitioner allows them to be.  They may, perhaps, cause development too quickly and thus allow an unbalanced negative consequence to emerge as dominant in the person (such as someone suffering from depression would actually lose control over a self contained demonic force when their creative intellect develops into more psychic levels).

We are, as people, our own creational universe.  We control and have the ability to unleash the horrific, bring forth the angelic or balance between and explore our connectedness to all things.

As such, I do not believe these meditations have any power intrinsic to them, aside from the positive or negative qualities dominant in the practitioner using them.

Know thyself, and if you may very well recieve some great rewards through the use of these meditations, by all means attempt them.


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: daem0n on August 24, 2008, 19:09:28
note: i'm not the person i was before, so don't judge me by me earlier posts

the meditations on that site are linked to negative aspects, irrespective of the understanding and balance of the practicioner
the degree of interaction depends on the individual, however the interaction takes place
if infusion of your other bodies with negatively charged presence is what you wish, so be it
if you are skillful enough to disconnect before infusion and just focus on the techniques, so be it
either way, you won't avoid touching it

curious39
if what you speak comes from experience and understanding
if it is just knowledge from education, mind the potential risk of your assumption for you and others reading your post


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: pqkill on November 16, 2008, 08:06:39
It seems that everyone here (bar a few) is knocking the JOS site mainly on unfounded grounds and the meditations contained therein without truly grasping what is/has:

A. behind the apparent nazi racism
B. inspired the energy workings that have caused so many of you negative experiences.

Should anyone wish to discuss the above topics with an (open) mind releasing themself from the position of forumboard know it all answer queen I would be happy to engage you in a similarly respectful manner.



Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: phantoms_rose on April 21, 2009, 04:46:34
EDIT: I found out that this meditation can open you up to the demonic influence, and cause geat harm that cannot be undone easily. Please don't try it, and avoid the whole JoS pages at all costs.
For more info:
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=18110&postdays=0&postorder=asc&&start=100



Hi :)

I have interacted with the JOS site. From my "understanding", these individual's  imbalances come from how certain members are "interpreting" the information they get from the Nordics (daemons). Kinda like the King James version of the Bible is radically different from what the man we have come to know as Jesus originally said, with a bunch of crazy excrement added. Apply that principle to the JoS site. Their hatred keeps their brains trapped at vibrating at a lower rate while they are practicing techniques that require vibrational flexibility. Its straining psychologically....hatred is by its very nature that.

For those of you who are cautious because of the Satanic label...read between the lines and trust your Heart chakra. It is your inborn guidance system. Anything that is trying to decieve you in any way will come to naked Truth when you consider it through your Heart chakra.

No race, human or extraterrestrial, are completely good or completely bad. There are good eggs and bad eggs. You've got to trust your Heart, and thus YOURSELF. Walk without fear, Walk with a SURE and SOUND intent, Walk in Love. There's no right or wrong way to get where youre going. Nothing can hurt you unless you choose to let it.

There are reptilians who do not agree with the barbaric ways of their race. There are greys who have broken from their hive collective and developed individuality. There are Nordics who have turned their backs on Truths and chosen themselves over what they know is right. The same happens with Humans....what makes you think it would be different on an interplanetary scale?

When it comes down to it you all have to ask yourselves, are you going to judge information/beings/experiences being given to you by association (guilty by association)? Or will you judge based on each information/being/experience's own merit?....

Its only too easy to be told what to believe.


Btw, this thread is huge. There's a good chance I wont check for replies. If you feel strongly enough to reply, positively or negatively, I probably wont be aware of what you say unless you email me , lol.

:Love Light and Peace:

Corie


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: Capt. Picard on May 01, 2010, 06:32:37
This meditation works great and is not satanic/anti-semitic/demonic/alien/etc...


Title: Re: Don't try this meditation!
Post by: misinformedia on May 22, 2010, 03:21:02
i have been to the jos site before, besides all the nazi stuff it does have a good alternate view on human history, if any think it will open your mind to a different angle on reality. then it drifts off into the hate abyss. but the pagan god stuff is real interesting. does any one know of any site where i can find out about the human gods before abraham