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Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on July 25, 2005, 03:37:43
The link between Mind and Social / Environmental-Issues.

The fast-paced, consumerist lifestyle of Industrial Society is causing exponential rise in psychological problems besides destroying the environment. All issues are interlinked. Our Minds cannot be peaceful when attention-spans are down to nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds. Our Minds cannot be peaceful if we destroy Nature.

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment.

Subject : In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
Subject : A thinking mind cannot feel.
Subject : Scientific/ Industrial/ Financial thinking destroys the planet.
Subject : Environment can never be saved as long as cities exist.


Emotion is what we experience during gaps in our thinking.

If there are no gaps there is no emotion.

Today people are thinking all the time and are mistaking thought (words/ language) for emotion.


When society switches-over from physical work (agriculture) to mental work (scientific/ industrial/ financial/ fast visuals/ fast words ) the speed of thinking keeps on accelerating and the gaps between thinking go on decreasing.

There comes a time when there are almost no gaps.

People become incapable of experiencing/ tolerating gaps.

Emotion ends.

Man becomes machine.


A society that speeds up mentally experiences every mental slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.

A ( travelling )society that speeds up physically experiences every physical slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.

A society that entertains itself daily experiences every non-entertaining moment as Depression / Anxiety.


Fast visuals/ words make slow emotions extinct.

Scientific/ Industrial/ Financial thinking destroys emotional circuits.

A fast (large) society cannot feel pain / remorse / empathy.

A fast (large) society will always be cruel to Animals/ Trees/ Air/ Water/ Land and to Itself.



I am trying to get the following experiment conducted in a psychophysiology/ bio-chemistry laboratory.

There is a link between visual / verbal speed ( in perception, memory,
imagery ) and the bio-chemical state of the brain and the body.

Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual and verbal processing
associated with the emotion slows down ( stops / freezes ).

The degree of difficulty of an emotion depends upon the degree of
freezing (of visuals and words ) required to intensify and sustain that
particular emotion.


Experiment:

Subjects (preferably actors specialising in tragedy / tragic roles )
will be asked to watch a silent video film showing any of the
following:-

(1) Human suffering.
(2) Animal suffering.
(3) Suffering ( Destruction ) of Air / Water / Land / Trees.

Subjects will be asked to intensify and sustain the subjective feeling of pain/ grief for the sufferer.

The chemical changes associated with the emotion in the body(blood) would be measured by appropriate methods.

The silent video film will be shown at different speeds :
(1) 125% of actual speed.
(2) Actual/real speed.
(3) 75% of actual speed.
(4) 50% of actual speed.
(5) 25% of actual speed.


Results :

(1) Intensity of emotion increases with the decrease in visual speed.
(2) Intensity of emotion is maximum when visual speed is minimum (25%
of actual speed)
(3) The amount of chemical change associated with the emotion in the
body(blood) will be found to increase with the decrease in visual speed.
(4) The chemical change is maximum when visual speed is minimum.
(5) The amount of chemical change will increase with the decrease in
breathing rate. Breathing becomes so slow and non-rhythmic that it stops
for some time at the inhalation/ exhalation stages.

The above co-relations will be valid for all subjects -even for those who cannot feel pain/ grief. Such subjects will experience emotion associated with boredom/ discomfort/ restlessness/ irritability/ uneasiness. The chemicals released will be different but the co-relation between visual speed and amount of chemical will be same( the breathing rates will be different/ fast). All subjects will experience some kind of emotion.

[If scientists can discover 4000 different chemicals in cigarette-smoke then they can certainly detect the few chemicals released in blood when weexperience higher-level emotions like pain, empathy, compassion, remorse etc… ]

In the 2nd stage of experiment we shall replace the silent video film with a Narrator ( Audio only ) and repeat the procedure thereby establishing the link between intensity of emotion and verbal speed. The narrator will slow down verbal speed by-- speaking slowly, stretching words, repetition of words/ sentences & making use of
pause/ silence between words.

Please note:
(1) A thinking mind cannot intensify / sustain any emotion.
While this statement is generally true for all emotions, it is particularly true for all painful emotions.

(2) Pain / remorse / empathy cannot be experienced in a society in which visual (verbal) speed and breathing- rates are fast . It is impossible.


PROOF.
Proof of the link between pain and slow visuals / words :-

In the last century man has made thousands of movies / films on various
themes / subjects. Whenever pain / tragedy is shown in any film the
visuals ( scenes ) and words ( dialogues ) are always slowed down. In
many films tragedy is shown in slow motion. At the most intense moment
of pain the films almost become static / stationary.

Tragedy-films provide direct proof / evidence of the link between pain
and slowness.

Pain can intensify / sustain only when visual ( and verbal ) speed slows
down( stops/ freezes).


Change in visual speed over the years.

One thousand years ago visuals would change only when man physically
moved himself to a new place or when other people ( animals / birds )
and objects ( clouds / water ) physically moved themselves before him.

Today man sits in front of TV / Computer and watches the rapidly
changing visuals / audio.

He sits in a vehicle ( car / train / bus ) and as it moves he watches
the rapidly changing visuals.

He turns the pages of a book / newspaper / magazine and sees many
visuals / text in a short span.


Change in verbal speed over the years.

In ancient times verbal processing was “live” in nature—ie it happened when people actually spoke.
Today there is non-stop verbal processing inside the mind through print and electronic media ( newspapers, books, magazines, radio, television, computer etc…) as a result of which the verbal content & speed has increased thousands of times.


The speed of visuals ( and words ) has increased so much during the last
one hundred years that today the human brain has become incapable of
focussing on slow visuals /words through perception, memory, imagery.

If we cannot focus on slow visuals / words we cannot experience emotions associated with slow visuals /words.



Before the advent of Industrial Revolution Man's thinking was primarily
limited to :

(a) visual processing ( slow visuals )
(b) verbal / language processing ( slow words )

Today there are many kinds of fast thinking :

(1) visual processing ( fast visuals )
(2) verbal / language processing ( fast words )
(3) Scientific / Technical thinking ( fast )
(4) Industrial thinking ( fast )
(5) Business thinking ( fast )

(3), (4) & (5) are associated with Numbers / Symbols / Equations /
Graphs /Circuits / Diagrams / Money / Accounting etc…

As long as the mind is doing this kind of thinking it cannot feel any
emotion - not an iota of emotion.

In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
In a thinking ( scientific / industrial ) society emotion itself becomes extinct.

Emotion is what remains in the mind when visual/ verbal processing slows down (stops/ freezes)


There are certain categories of people who feel more emotion (subjective experience ) than others.

If we attempt to understand why (and how ) they feel more emotion we can learn a lot about emotion.

Writers, poets, actors, painters ( and other artists )

Writers
Writers do verbal ( and associated visual) processing whole day- every day.
They do slow verbal ( and associated visual) processing every day.
(A novel that we read in 2 hours might have taken 2 years to write. This is also the reason why the reader can never feel the intensity & duration of emotion experienced by the writer )

Poets
Poets do verbal ( and associated visual ) processing whole day- every day. There is more emotion in poetry than in prose. This happens because there are very few words ( and associated visuals ) in poetry than in any other kind of writing. There is a very high degree of freezing / slowing down of visuals & words in poetry.

Actors
Actors do verbal ( and associated visual ) processing whole day- every day. During shooting / rehearsal they repeat the dialogues ( words ) again and again ( the associated visuals / scenes also get repeated along with the dialogues )

Painters
Painters do visual ( and associated verbal ) processing whole day- every day. They do extremely slow visual processing - The visual on the canvas changes only when the painter adds to what already exists on the canvas.


There are some important points to be noted :

All these people do visual & verbal processing - whole day - every day.
They do slow visual & verbal processing.
They do not do scientific / industrial / business processing whole day - every day.

Most of the city people doing mental work either do this kind of mental processing which is associated with Numbers / Symbols/ Equations / Graphs / Circuits / Diagrams / Money / Accounting etc… or they do fast visual ( verbal ) processing whole day - every day.

This kind of thinking ( processing ) has come into existence only during the last 200 years and has destroyed our emotional ability ( circuits ).


Once we speed up our minds we become incapable of slowing down [it would take years of effort to slow down]. One can understand it this way - A supercomputer cannot process at the rate of an ordinary computer. Once we speed up [and we have been speeding up for several generations now] we cannot slow down because the neural circuits get altered - the bio-chemistry of the brain and its anatomy changes.



Self-Assessment of ( subjective ) intensity of emotion is almost always wrong.

Suppose the maximum intensity(and duration) of a particular emotion that
can be experienced by any human being is 100 units.

Let us suppose the maximum intensity(and duration) of that particular emotion ever
experienced by two people A & B in their entire life is :
A - 100units
B - 20 units

Now suppose A & B are made subjects on a particular day and are asked
to feel that particular emotion under experimental conditions ( or
outside the laboratory ) and the intensity &duration they actually experience is :

A - 90 units
B - 18 units

If A & B are then asked to indicate the intensity &duration of emotion on a scale
of 0 -10 their response is likely to be ;

A - 9
B - 9

Who is right and who is wrong ?
A is right.
B is wrong - B is wrong by a wide margin - B has experienced an
intensity(and duration) of 18 units out of a maximum of 100 units and his correct / actual score should be 1.8

Self- assessment ( self rating ) can be accurate only if people have
the capacity to experience the highest intensity &duration ( units ) of the
particular emotion under study.



In small(slow)agriculture-based societies the mind used to experience a state of emotion all the time because of physical work and slow visual/verbal processing . People who do physical work experience the same good subjective-feeling which is experienced by people who do physical excercise. [People who do physical work also sleep much better than people who do mental work - the quality of sleep is much better]. If we read one thousand-year-old literature we will not come across the term "boredom" - the concept of boredom did not exist in slow societies. There were long gaps between different visuals and between words/ sentences - and people had the ability to experience/ tolerate the gaps - it was normal for them.

Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual / verbal processing slows down ( stops / freezes ). In an Industrial (thinking) society people experience very little emotion because of fast ( visual / verbal / scientific / industrial / business ) thinking.

Suppose the maximum intensity and duration of a particular emotion ( for most people ) in a fast society has reduced to 5 units ( from 100 units that people used to experience in earlier /slower societies ).

If such people experience 4 units of emotion they will give themselves a
rating /score of 8 on a scale of 0-10 whereas their actual score should
be 0.4


[Please note :
Fast emotions =emotions associated with fast visuals/fast words/fast breathing/fast heart-rate.
Slow emotions=emotions associated with slow visuals/slow words/slow breathing/slow heart-rate.
Rate of thinking=number of visuals/words processed per minute.
Gaps between thinking =gaps between visuals/ words/ sentences.]


Thoughts and Emotions are interlinked - but different things - totally/ completly different.

Words can be spoken - words can be read - words can be heard.

Emotion is a subjective-experience. Other examples of subjective experience are taste, smell, touch, headache, stomach pain.

One can understand the difference this way :

When we eat an apple we can feel the taste of apple. Apple can give us the taste of apple - but apple is not taste.

If we pour apple juice into a glass - the glass will not feel the taste - it does not have the ability to feel taste.

If a person eats an apple he will feel the taste - because he has the ability to generate taste from apple.

Words/ Visuals can evoke, intensify and sustain emotions - but words/ visuals are not emotions.



In every field there is easy work/activity and difficult work/activity.

In mathematics there is easy mathematics and difficult mathematics. Everyone can add 2+4 within microseconds. A PhD level problem of mathematics would take hours [or more] to solve - and that too only by someone who has spent 20 - 25 years learning mathematics upto PhD level.

Same way in the field of emotions there are easy emotions and difficult emotions. Easy emotions are evoked within nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds - anger, lust, fear, pleasure, entertainment and excitement are some examples. These emotions are associated with fast breathing and heart-rate. These emotions don"t require gaps between thinking to evoke, intensify and sustain. These are the emotions that can be found everywhere in today's fast society.

Then there are difficult emotions - which require ability and years of effort to develop - emotions associated with pain, compassion and peaceful states of mind are some examples. These emotions are associated with slow breathing and heart-rate. These emotions require freezing of thought - freezing of visuals and words - huge amounts of gaps between thinking - to evoke, intensify and sustain.


The experiments I have proposed are primarily meant for those people who understand only the language of science. We don't need experiments to understand that our present lifestyle is destroying our Minds and Environment - the evidence is everywhere - left, right and center. The craze and fetish for science and scientific proof has mainly existed for the last 50 - 100 years. People have lived on this planet for thousands of years without needing scientific proof to understand something. It is Science and Technology that created the consumerist Industrial Society which has led to the destruction of Mind and Nature/ Environment. Who needs more science or more scientific proof. Science is not the solution - Science is the problem.

Two things that have destroyed Environment are - Overpopulation and Overconsumerism. Science and Technology is responsible for both these problems. World population was less than 1 billion in the year 1800. Nature had its way of controlling population through disease and death caused by bacteria and virus. When man made medicines/ antibiotics he created disaster - population increased very rapidly.  In the absence of Science, Technology, Industrialization/ Industrial Revolution the two problems of overpopulation and overconsumerism would not exist.


IQ Vs EQ

IQ always has an element of change in it – IQ is about trying to make/ discover/ invent something new all the time.
Change is an inherent feature of IQ.
IQ is also about thinking more in less time—it involves speeding up of mind. Someone who does more mathematics in less time is considered more intelligent in mathematics. IQ is about change and speed.

EQ is about sustainment of the same feeling/experience over a period of time. When we experience any higher-level emotion for 10 minutes we experience the same feeling( subjective experience) over and over again for 10 minutes.
The( same) feeling can sustain only if there is Repetition.
EQ involves Repetition—Constancy—Sameness.

IQ and EQ are contradictory.
IQ and EQ are opposites.
IQ and EQ are inversely proportional.



(1) A thinking species destroys the planet.
(2) Animals lived on earth for billions of years (in very large numbers)
without destroying nature.
(3) They did not destroy nature because their thinking / activity was
limited to searching for food for one time only.
(4) Man has existed on earth in large numbers for only a few thousand
years / a few hundred years.
(5) Within this short period Man has destroyed the environment.
(6) This destruction took place because of Man's thinking.
(7) When man thinks he makes things.
(8) When he makes things he kills animals / trees / air / water / land.
( Nothing can be made without killing these five elements of nature ).

(9) A thinking species destroys the planet.



Intelligence Is A Curse.

This planet is on the verge of total destruction.

The cause of destruction is – overactivity.
[Out of millions of species in this world the human-species is the only one that has indulged in overactivity]

The cause of overactivity is – Intelligence.
[The environment would never have got destroyed if Man had been only as intelligent as animals]

Intelligence is a curse - a disease - a disability - an abnormality.

Intelligence is the biggest cause/ source of destruction in this world.

[In fact Intelligence is the only cause of destruction in this world other than natural causes]



Mental work is injurious to the mind and planet.

Life was never good in the past.

Life will never be good in future.

Life can never be good.


Suffering is a part of life - an inherent feature of life. Suffering can never be eliminated.

There is Physical suffering - There is Mental suffering.

In pre-industrial society there were physical diseases caused by virus and bacteria.
In modern society there are hundreds of lifestyle related physical diseases - Cancer, Stroke, Diabetes, Obesity, Multiple Organ Failures.


Mental suffering will always exist. It exists in agrarian society. It exists in industrial society. As soon as we stop working we experience mental suffering.

We avoid mental suffering by working ceaselessly.

There is no higher purpose behind work.

People do not work because they want to work.
People work because they cannot stop working.

The energy generated by the food we eat forces us to work ceaselessly.

Energy = Energy[Physical Work] + Energy[Mental Work] + Energy[Suffering/ Subjective Experience]

All three energies on the right side are inversely proportional to one another.

When we do hard physical work or hard mental work or a combination of physical work and mental work almost all energy is used up in doing work.

When we stop physical work and mental work the unused energy is experienced as suffering/ anxiety/ restlessness/ discomfort. This suffering is so intense - so unbearable - that most people cannot stop physical activity and mental activity simultaneously for even 2 minutes - they can stop work/activity only under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

People do not work because they want to work.
People do not work for their family.
People do not work for their nation.
People do not work for any reason.

People work because they cannot stop working.

It does not matter what kind of work we do - whether it is physical work or any kind of mental work. As soon as we stop working we suffer from restlessness, anxiety, uneasiness and discomfort.

[ In Yoga and Meditation the goal is to stop Physical Activity and Mental Activity simultaneously - and then transform the subjective-experience of restlessness/ anxiety/ suffering into peace. This requires ability and years of effort ]

For most people the choice is between physical and mental work.
The switch-over from physical work to mental work is disastrous for the planet.

Man can do the same physical work every day.
Man cannot do the same mental work every day.

When man used to do physical work ( farming and related activities ) he could do the same repetitive work day after day- generation after generation.

After the Industrial Revolution when man switched-over to mental work he began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products-- a process which can only end with the complete destruction of environment ( planet ).

When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.

Industry/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


Today 50% of world population - 3 bilion people are living in cities. The necessary work of growing/producing Food is being done outside cities - in villages and countryside. Most of the people living in cities are engaged in unnecessary work - making things, buying things and selling things. The switch-over from Physical work to Mental work/ Desk job has led to an endless cycle of unnecessary and destructive work.

When society switches over from physical work to mental work it starts making thousands of consumer goods. People start calling them necessities. They are not necessities at all - 90% of consumer goods that we see today did not exist 50 years ago.

Food, Water, Air, Little clothing, Little Shelter - these are necessities.

Close your nose and stop breathing for a few minutes - you will then know what necessity is.

Stop drinking water for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.

Stop eating food for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.

Today people are making thousands of consumer goods - not because they are necessities - but because they cannot stop making them. People cannot stop doing work - After switching over to mental work they will keep on making thousands of unnecessary consumer goods. Industrial Society is destroying necessary things[Animals,Trees,Air,Water and Land] for makng unnecessary things[Consumer Goods]. This is the reason why the switch-over from physical work to mental work is so destructive. This is the point of no-return - once this is crossed the destruction of Environment/ Nature is inevitable.

If we live a simple life there is individual suffering - but no largescale destruction of Environment.

If we live a consumerist life there is individual suffering - plus largescale destruction of Environment.


The nature of mental work is such that man has to do new mental work every day- in fact he has to do new mental work every moment- Man cannot repeat in the next moment the mental work that he has already done in the previous moment.

A mathematician cannot solve the same problem of mathematics every day- once he has solved it he will be forced to take up a new( unsolved) problem. Even when he is solving one particular problem he has to move from one step to another - there is a continuous change involved -- there is no constancy at any stage.

An engineer cannot design the same machine again and again –once he has made a machine he will try to make changes/ design a new one.

A writer cannot write the same article every day- he will be forced to write something new every day/ every moment (This is also the reason behind endless discussions/ debates/ arguments).


Discussions, Debates and Arguments.

Let us examine how much discussion we are collectively having in Industrial Society every day.

Millions of pages in print – newspapers / books / magazines.
Millions of web-pages on internet every day.

Now add to this all the conversation (discussion) we are having through radio / television / telephone and several other media every day.

And add to this all the discussion we are having through face-to-face interaction.

The volume of discussion per individual in one week is greater than the total discussion someone living in pre-industrial society would have in his entire life.

There is too much discussion in modern society.
Discussion is not solving our problems – discussion itself has become a problem – a gigantic problem.


A society that does mental work will discuss itself to destruction [extinction]

A society that does mental work will argue itself to destruction [extinction]

A society that does mental work will debate itself to destruction [extinction]


A society that does mental work can never stop discussions / debates / arguments – it is impossible. It will discuss / debate / argue till the last moment of it’s existence.

Discussions / Debates / Arguments – these are creations of a society that has switched-over from physical work to mental work.

Discussions / Debates / Arguments – these are diseases of a society that has switched-over from physical work to mental work.


Discussions / debates / arguments can end only in agriculture-based societies that do physical work.

We cannot do physical-work and mental-work simultaneously.

There is an inverse relationship between physical-work and mental-work.
If one is high [more] the other has got to be low [less]

If we want to do physical work we have to reduce mental activity by the same proportion.
If we want to do mental work we have to reduce physical activity by the same proportion.

There is very little discussion / debate / argument in societies that do physical work - ie, agriculture-based societies - And this is the reason why they are millions of times saner than industrial societies.




Change is an inherent feature of mental work.

Since change is an inherent feature of mental work - a society that does mental work can never be at peace with itself – it is impossible.

A society that does mental work will always be restless.

Only those societies that do physical work [agriculture and related activities] can find contentment and peace.



As long as cities exist we can neither save the environment nor the mind.

To save the [ remaining ] environment from destruction man will have to
return back to physical work [ smaller communities ].

To save the mind from mental diseases man will have to return back to physical work [ smaller communities ].



Criminality and Abnormality.

Industrial Society has collectively killed billions of Animals and Trees [ Remember - plant and animal species developed over a period of millions ofyears]

It has also killed most of Water and Air [ Please note - polluting Water and Air is equivalent to killing Water and Air ]

The soil was not fertile when the earth was created. It became fertile - very slowly - over a period of millions of years. And look what man has done - He has covered millions and millions of hectares of land with cement and concrete. All the land that has been covered with cement and concrete has been killed.

Man has stockpiled thousands of tonnes of highly radioactive nuclear material and nuclear waste which is going to remain highly radioactive and carcinogenic for the next thousands of years - and which has already leaked into the environment hundreds of times.

There is an arsenal of 50,000 nuclear missiles that can destroy the planet several times over.

What could be more criminal than this.
What could be more abnormal than this.

Lawyers and Judges are trying to catch a few criminals.
They don’t realize the entire Industrial Society is criminal.

Psychologists and Psychiatrists are trying to classify a few people as abnormal.
They don’t realize the entire Industrial Society is abnormal.


The claim of "science and technology" of curing cancer is a joke. "Science and Technology" can never cure cancer - it is impossible. "Science and Technology" is the cause of cancer. Most of cancer is caused by toxic chemicals - carcinogens. Industrial Society has flooded the ecosystems with toxic chemicals.  Most of the Farm Land has been poisoned with pesticides due to Industrial Agriculture. The Land - The Air - The Water - the entire food chain is contaminated with thousands of man-made toxic chemicals which did not exist before industrialiation. There are hundreds of man-made, toxic chemicals in the blood, bones and tissue of humans. There are toxic, man-made chemicals in the placenta of new born babies. Industrial Society is causing millions of cancer every year. Out of these millions of cases, "science and technology" is able to treat a small percentage - a few thousand cases - through surgery, radiation and chemotherapy etc...And these treatments can hardly be called real treatments because the toxic chemicals which are the root cause of cancer still exist in the environment. This is also the reason why there is a high rate of relapse/ recurrence after cancer treatment. An Industrial Society can never prevent high incidence of cancer, because it is flooding the environment with chemicals all the time.


Industrial Society is collectively making millions of tonnes of weapons and explosives [of all kinds] every year – and then it wonders why there is so much violence in this world.

Big Mystery.

If you make millions of tonnes of weapons and explosives on earth they are going to be used on earth – they are not going to be used on Mars.


The entire Industrial Society is a terrorist.
The Military-Industrial-Complex is the real terrorist.
Science and Technology is the terrorist.



Make things
Buy things
Sell things

This is not the purpose of life.

Destroy Shopping Culture.

No one deserves more.
Everyone deserves less.
Life can sustain on earth only when everyone has less.




There was a time when Man knew nothing about the number of species and millions of species existed.
Today Man knows the names of millions of species and nothing is left of the species.



It took millions of years for millions of species to slowly come into existence on earth - and man has decimated all other species.

After destroying millions of highly-developed species on earth Man is today searching for a few molecules of life in outer-space.

If a few microbes, a few molecules of methane / water are found on Mars - it becomes the newspaper headline.

They call it progress.



The following is about to come true.

Nature can exist

(1) before man.
(2) after man.
(3) not with man.



Destruction of environment can be divided into two parts - destruction of environment for producing food - and destruction of environment for making thousands of consumer goods. In pre-Industrial Society people destroyed environment primarily for food. In Industrial Society people are destroying environment for food and consumer goods. If we want to save environment we will have to bring down the second to the minimum level by not making all unnecessary consumer goods.

Environment can be saved only if we stop production of most [ more than 99% ] of the consumer goods we are making today.

Environment cannot be saved by recycling.

The attempt of an industrial society to save the environment by recycling is like shooting someone 10,000 times and then trying to save him by taking out one bullet. 



Time is running out for this planet.



Regarding Industrialization there is an important point to be noted. Modern Industrial Society has existed for 100 years - 200 years - 300 years. When we compare this period with the total duration for which human society has existed on earth this period is so short - so small that it almost does'nt exist. It is almost zero.

Material things don't bring peace and happiness. Today billions of people have got things which even Kings did not have in the past. Car, computer, television, fridge, telephone - no King ever had these things. But people are still restless and unhappy.

Industrial Society is consuming psychiatric drugs/ sleeping pills by tonnes and tonnes.

A very large percentage of the population is surviving on precription drugs, illegal drugs, alcohol and cigarettes.

One-third of the population has become fat like elephants.

People talk about increase in lifespan. What is the use of increased lifespan if people have to resort to Drugs, Alcohol and Cigarettes to pull through life. And just wait a few more years - the average lifespan will soon become zero - human life will cease to exist on earth.

Consumerist-Lifestyle is just not sustainable. If we do not immediately return to living a very simple and frugal life then very soon there will be no human life on earth. We would need several planets[earths] to sustain the present lifestyle.


The Military-Industrial Complex is all set to destroy whatever life and environment that remains on earth. There is a reason why the two World Wars happened in the recent past and not 1000 years ago.

It was not possible to have world wars 1000 years ago. World Wars became possible only when Science and Technology developed aeroplanes, ships and other carriers which could transport millions of troops and millions of tonnes of weapons[once again a creation of science and technology] from one corner of the globe to another.

And today one does'nt even need all these to fight a war. One just needs to move finger-tips to launch missiles that can destroy the planet several times over.

Right at this moment there are several countries fighting wars with one another. There is internal war going on in almost half of the the countries of the world. All these wars are being fuelled and sustained by billions of tonnes of weapons produced by the Military-Industrial Complex every year.

And it is going to get worse and worse every day.
 
If you kill one person they call it murder.
If you kill a few hundred they call it terrorism.
If you kill a few million they call it war.

Science and Technology has made this world [millions of times] more violent and unsafe than before.

Science and Technology has produced billions of tonnes of weapons and explosives - chemical, biological and nuclear weapons - millions of tonnes of Radioactive material [ which will soon be used to make dirty radioactive bombs - which are going to contaminate the environment for hundreds and thousands of years]. Science and Technology is the real terrorist.


Governments and Law Enforcement Agencies have labelled a few Environmentalists as EcoTerrorists.

What are the charges against Environmental Activists? - Destruction of property? - endangering human life?

The Military Industrial Complex is doing much more damage to property - it is going around carpet bombing entire countries - flattening entire countries. The Military Industrial Complex is endangering much more human life - it is actually killing - killing millions in War/ Violence - directly or indirectly.

Who is the real Terrorist? - Environmentalists or Industrial Society?

The human race has been destroying/ killing animals, trees, air, water, land and people from the very beginning of civilization. Science and Technology has increased this destructive capacity millions of times.

Every man is a serial-killer. The per-capita destruction of Environment - per capita destruction of Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land in Industrial Society is thousands of times greater than what it was 1000 years ago - 500 years ago - 200 years ago.

Before Industrialization humans killed Environment primarily for Food. After industrialization humans are killing environment for Food and [unnecessary]Consumer Goods.

Industrial Society is destroying necessary things[Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things[Consumer Goods].

The Military Industrial Complex has killed millions of people in War/ Violence. It has decimated all plant and animal species. It has destroyed all ecosystems. It has polluted and poisioned the Sky, Land and Oceans. It has raped and plundered "Mother Earth" in the name of Progress and Development.

The crimes of "Military Industrial Complex"are millions of times greater than the crimes of Environmentalists.

Comparing the crimes of Environmentalists with the crimes of "Military Industrial Complex" is like comparing the Lamp with the Sun.

The entire Industrial Society is a Terrorist.
Science and Technology is the Terrorist.
Military Industrial Complex is the Terrorist.
Culture of Consumerism - culture of making, buying and selling is the Terrorist. Consumerism kills ecosystems - Consumerism is the biggest act of violence against nature.




Think Positive.

Psychologists say -- Think Positive.
Politicians say – Think Positive.
Economists say – Think Positive.
Scientists say – Think Positive.
Everyone says – Think Positive.

Arctic ice is melting – Glaciers are melting – Rivers are drying up.
Think Positive.

Fish population in Oceans is down to 1/3 of what it was 100 years ago.
Think Positive.

Pollution levels are going sky-high and valley-deep.
Think Positive.

There used to be millions of members in most species of Animals and Birds. Now they are down to thousands and hundreds.
Think Positive.

Weather is getting more and more irregular and unpredictable.
Think Positive.

Metal everywhere - Concrete everywhere - Plastic everywhere.
Think Positive.

All local cultures have been destroyed in the name of consumerism and globalization.
Think Positive.

Thinking positive is the height of insanity.
Thinking positive is the height of abnormality.

This is a world that has become completely incapable of feeling Pain, Compassion, Remorse and Guilt.
The planet is getting destroyed moment by moment – and people are thinking positive.


Very soon there will be 1 Animal and 1 Tree left in this world – and people will still be thinking positive.

They will be holding Seminars, Conferences and Global-Summits to save the Environment.




There is an important point which the human-species needs to understand. People think they can save the Environment by doing something.

We can never save the environment by doing something.

It is overactivity that has destroyed environment in the first place.

Human-species is the only one out of millions of species that has indulged in overactivity on this planet [ And for this very reason the human speciesis going to exist on earth for the least amount of time]

And it is not Mild Overactivity – It is Excessive Overactivity – Exponential Overactivity.

We cannot save the environment by doing something.

We can only save it by doing less of what we have been doing - much less of what we have been doing.

If we want to save environment we will have to reduce human activity [overactivity] by 99%.



The Illogical Logic of Man.

A few birds have got infected with bird-flu and Man has started killing millions of birds.
They say birds are a threat to humans.

Sometime ago there was Mad Cow disease and Man started killing hundreds of thousands of cows.
They said cows are a threat to humans.


Ever since Man came into existence - millions of humans with infectious diseases have transferred such diseases to millions of other people - and will continue to infect millions more in future.
Such people are a threat to rest of the people.
Man should follow the same logic here and kill all infected people.

It is Man who has killed millions of people in Wars and other forms of Violence – and can kill millions more any time in future.
Man should follow the same logic here and kill all people.


It is the human species which is the greatest threat to humans and all other life on this planet - In fact the human species is the only species which is a threat to all life on Earth.

Man has decimated all Animal and Plant species – polluted the Sky and Oceans - and poisioned every square inch of earth.

In a mere 200 - 300 years Industrial Society has destroyed all that Nature laboriously created over a period of millions of years.


Humans pose the greatest threat to other humans.
Humans pose the greatest threat to all other life on earth.

The so-called Rational and Civilized Man should follow the same logic here - and destroy the entire human race.

Please note :

If you indulge in Factory Farming – If you torture the birds – confine millions of them in prison like conditions – depriving them of Sunlight and the freedom to walk and fly – you are creating an environment for the spread of virus and disease.



Lifestyle of Mass Destruction.

Destruction is an inherent feature of Development.

Progress = Destruction of Nature.
Development = Destruction of Nature.

We can have Sustainable Lifestyle.
We cannot have Sustainable Development.

Development can never be sustainable.
Sustainability and Development cannot exist together.

Development and Sustainability are opposites.
Development and Sustainability are contradictory.

Sustainable Living is associated with consuming less – being satisfied with a simple and frugal life.
Development is associated with never ending desires – always wanting more.

Sustainable lifestyle requires Constancy.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Sameness.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Repetition.

Development is associated with Change.
Development is associated with New.
Development is associated with Transience.

Industrial Societies can never be sustainable – When you make thousands of consumer goods you kill Nature - you kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land.

"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"
These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".


A Society that does mental work [city based] can never be sustainable - it will keep on making consumer goods - destroying the environment moment by moment.

Only agriculture-based societies that do physical work can be sustainable.

The term Sustainable Development is like the terms

Stationary Walk.
Silent Talk.
Wakeful Sleep.
Dark Sun
Gentle Torture.
Dry Rain.
Peaceful War.

Infinite growth and development on a tiny planet that is just 40,000 km in circumference? - Industrial Society is insane.



Man can repair and restore things that have been made by man himself. Car, Computer, Aeroplane, Rocket - if anything goes wrong with these things man can repair and restore.

Man cannot repair and restore Nature/ Environment - because man did not make Nature/ Environment. Once a Forest is destroyed - it is gone for millions of years. One cannot create a Forest in 5 or 50 years - it takes millions of years to make a forest - containing millions of species of animals, insects, birds, plants and trees. Man can create a plantation in 5 or 50 years - not a forest.

The only way to save Environment is by not destroying it - leave it alone - leave it undisturbed. If you destroy Environment you cannot repair and restore it.



There was a time when Man used to say –

I work in order to feed my family.
I work in order to put Food on the Table.

Today man is putting a lot more than Food on the Table.

Cars, Computers, ipods, Aeroplanes, 200 TV Channels, Luxury Yatchs, Caribbean Vacations, Palatial Homes, Video Phones, Designer Clothes, Designer Drugs, Cosmetic Surgery …………… The list is endless.


Man is putting thousands of consumer goods and services on the Table.
There is too much weight on the Table.
And the Table has begun to creak.


The more you put on your table the more you take out from the mouths of Animals and Birds.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Animals and Trees.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Water, Air and Land.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Mountains and Valleys.

The more you put on your table the more you kill the Sky and Oceans - the Rivers and Lakes.


There are so many things on the Table that one can barely see the Food.

We need just a few things to live.
And we are making thousands of things.

Billions of people are engaged in making, buying and selling of thousands of consumer goods.

Destroy Shopping Culture.

Go back to Simple Living.
Go back to putting just Food on the Table.

sushil_yadav

[I am seeking help from volunteers in spreading this message far and wide]


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on July 27, 2005, 17:15:24
I completely disagree with the point of your message. Small, agriculture based communities of the past had the highest levels of hate and cruelty. Without intelligence there's no tolerance, and without tolerance humans would be similar to animals. The problem of today's world are emotions, not intelligence. The emotions cause wars, greed and consumerism. Inteligence is the only possible way to control them.


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Ybom on August 01, 2005, 06:16:47
I thought this topic had something, until I realised that many of the points that were argued against (such as intelligence, math, logic, etc) were used in writing the post.


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: James S on August 01, 2005, 10:54:09
Some of what has been said makes good sense. Unfortunately in the end it becomes a more extremist view.

Nature is all about balance. As much as current society seems hell bent on trying to either ignore or control nature, we are a part of nature, we're not separate from it. We too need to find that point of balance between the mental and the emotional, between the physical and the spiritual.

I do also find it somewhat amusing when people boldly proclaim that we are destroying our planet. How arrogant we are that we think we can permanently harm our mother Earth. We who are so "dangerous", yet go scurrying for cover every time she moves just a little.

Our Mother has been around a lot longer than we have, and will continue long after we're gone. But in the mean time, consider that she loves us, even with all our bad attitudes, and she desires to help us reach that point of balance that she herself has so wonderfully mastered.

Blessings,
James.


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on August 02, 2005, 20:52:37
The thing that harms the nature is not our intelligence, but mindless militarization and consumerism.


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Ybom on August 25, 2005, 04:05:49
When did we get focused on consumerism rather than progress? Aren't there many inventions and ideas that get snuffed because it might cause a profit loss? Isn't this against what we should be striving for?


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on August 30, 2005, 18:04:41
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When did we get focused on consumerism rather than progress? Aren't there many inventions and ideas that get snuffed because it might cause a profit loss? Isn't this against what we should be striving for?

The greater part of humanity was always focused on consumerism. It isn't really different than it was in medieval times or before. Always many ideas were supressed, if they could harm someone's business.


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Ybom on September 08, 2005, 04:54:14
Quote from: CaCoDeMoN
The greater part of humanity was always focused on consumerism. It isn't really different than it was in medieval times or before. Always many ideas were supressed, if they could harm someone's business.

Can we discuss ways to change this, or is there a line of study and development aimed at this? I would eventually like to see the gains of technology to be more valuable, or even on a completely different monetary system, than services and 'blind' labor.


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on September 08, 2005, 10:33:58
Quote

Can we discuss ways to change this, or is there a line of study and development aimed at this? I would eventually like to see the gains of technology to be more valuable, or even on a completely different monetary system, than services and 'blind' labor.

Monetary system alone won't fix anything. The whole economic system would have to be changed. The capitalism is obsessed with mindless production of goods and for companies it is good that consumerism grows to the point of absurd. Capitalism isn't as effective as people think it is. The communism was even wrose, killing all individualism in society, and creating obsession about militarisation. I think that the best economic system would be Participatory Economics - "ParEcon". It has no such thing as "ruling class" or "owning class". The only weak spot of it is participatory planning, but it's still much better than communism's central planning and capitalism's spontaneous planning.
Here's the link:
http://www.zmag.org/parecon/indexnew.htm


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: NickJW on September 08, 2005, 16:22:34
If you ask me, man would be much more better off without emotions. Our society would be much more productive and man's thinking would become more logical which would put an end to war, and violence.


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on September 08, 2005, 17:58:27
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If you ask me, man would be much more better off without emotions. Our society would be much more productive and man's thinking would become more logical which would put an end to war, and violence.

Not really. Emotions are mechanism created by evolution, and they are needed to give people motivation to live and work in society. Without emotions we would witness goverment killing unproductive people and people with genetic deffects. Or society living like robots - and death's better than that. Or the brain would just not function correctly - having no deeper motivation. War is caused by obedience and stupidity, and the violence is caused by the LACK of higher emotions.
If we can consciously choose where we will incarnate, I'd never choose a world without emotions.


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: NickJW on September 10, 2005, 03:36:15
but many of those thing sare caused by lower emotions, if there were no emotions there wouldnt be war either, the crulty thing maybe, it depends if logic evolved with the race if it would be successful. But if you mixed logic with no emotions it would be a much more efficient and productive world.

Really, this is opinionated.


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on September 10, 2005, 10:20:42
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 But if you mixed logic with no emotions it would be a much more efficient and productive world.

But what would be the production for? What would be the motivation other than hunger and lowest sexual instincts?


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: NickJW on September 10, 2005, 19:35:28
the logic would


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: CaCoDeMoN on September 10, 2005, 21:28:04
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the logic would

Can you explain how? From an logical point of view life has completely no sense. All reasons for the existence of life are illlogical.


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on January 12, 2006, 05:36:57
Regarding Industrialization there is an important point to be noted. Modern Industrial Society has existed for 100 years - 200 years - 300 years. When we compare this period with the total duration for which human society has existed on earth this period is so short - so small that it almost does'nt exist. It is almost zero.

Material things don't bring peace and happiness. Today billions of people have got things which even Kings did not have in the past. Car, computer, television, fridge, telephone - no King ever had these things. But people are still restless and unhappy. The fast-paced, consumerist lifestyle of Industrial Society is causing exponential rise in psychological problems - besides destroying the environment. Our Minds cannot be spiritual or peaceful when attention-spans are down to nanoseconds, microseconds and milliseconds. Our Minds cannot be spiritual or peaceful if we destroy Nature.

Consumerist-Lifestyle is just not sustainable. If we do not immediately return to living a very simple and frugal life then very soon there will be no human life on earth.


Think Positive.

Psychologists say -- Think Positive.
Politicians say – Think Positive.
Economists say – Think Positive.
Scientists say – Think Positive.
Everyone says – Think Positive.

Arctic ice is melting – Glaciers are melting – Rivers are drying up.
Think Positive.

Fish population in Oceans is down to 1/3 of what it was 100 years ago.
Think Positive.

Pollution levels are going sky-high and valley-deep.
Think Positive.

There used to be millions of members in most species of Animals and Birds. Now they are down to thousands and hundreds.
Think Positive.

Weather is getting more and more irregular and unpredictable.
Think Positive.


Thinking positive is the height of insanity.
Thinking positive is the height of abnormality.

This is a world that has become completely incapable of feeling Pain, Compassion, Remorse and Guilt.
The planet is getting destroyed moment by moment – and people are thinking positive.

Very soon there will be 1 Animal and 1 Tree left in this world – and people will still be thinking positive.

They will be holding Seminars, Conferences and Global-Summits to save the Environment.


There is an important point which the human-species needs to understand. People think they can save the Environment by doing something.

We can never save the environment by doing something.

It is overactivity that has destroyed environment in the first place.

Human-species is the only one out of millions of species that has indulged in overactivity on this planet [ And for this very reason the human species is going to exist on earth for the least amount of time]

And it is not Mild Overactivity – It is Excessive Overactivity – Exponential Overactivity.

We cannot save the environment by doing something.

We can only save it by doing less of what we have been doing - much less of what we have been doing.

If we want to save environment we will have to reduce human activity [overactivity] by 99%.


There was a time when Man used to say –

I work in order to feed my family.
I work in order to put Food on the Table.

Today man is putting a lot more than Food on the Table.

Cars, Computers, ipods, Aeroplanes, 200 TV Channels, Luxury Yatchs, Caribbean Vacations, Palatial Homes, Video Phones, Designer Clothes, Designer Drugs, Cosmetic Surgery …………… The list is endless.

Man is putting thousands of consumer goods and services on the Table.
There is too much weight on the Table.
And the Table has begun to creak.

The more you put on your table the more you take out from the mouths of Animals and Birds.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Animals and Trees.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Water, Air and Land.

The more you put on your table the more you kill Mountains and Valleys.

The more you put on your table the more you kill the Sky and Oceans - the Rivers and Lakes.


There are so many things on the Table that one can barely see the Food.

We need just a few things to live.
And we are making thousands of things.

Billions of people are engaged in making, buying and selling of thousands of consumer goods.

Destroy Shopping Culture.
Destroy Industrial Society.

Go back to Simple Living.
Go back to putting just Food on the Table.

sushil_yadav


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: NickJW on January 12, 2006, 06:59:20
Sorry but your some kind of crazy hippie psycho. If you hate technology and science and industry and societyso much, why are you using a computer? Seriously, prove to me your not a hypocrit and throw your computer, TV, phone and everything else out your window, oh and don't forget to neglect the electricity bills, you don't need electricity, you have nature and -20 degree weather instead. Come on now be practical, if everything were the way you want it, you would be totally screwed. the quality of your life would not be anywhere near the quality it is now if it weren't for INDUSTRY, SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY and the LOGICAL thinking it took to get all those great things.


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on January 13, 2006, 11:58:07
And what do you think I am using the computer for?
Am I using it for fun?
Am I using it for Business?

No - I am using it for a purpose - for a cause - for saving the environment.
If the environment were not getting destroyed I would not be needing the computer for spreading my message[article].

The rate of destruction of environment is alarming - it is so high that Nature will be destroyed beyond recovery within the next 15 - 20 years.

Under these circumstances what do you expect me to do - send my article by pigeon-mail?

sushil_yadav


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: NickJW on January 13, 2006, 15:59:49
Maybe you should use pigeon mail. It will be just as effective as this in actually changing any of these problems. And no, the world will not be destroyed in 20 years, did you forget that animals and trees reproduce? Maybe I would take you a little more seriously if any of the things you say would make sense.


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on January 14, 2006, 03:37:11
The article is beyond your level - it is beyond your grasp - it is beyond your capacity to understand. I suggest you do a search on the topic to see that it is being read and understood by thousands of people. I would also like to add that most of the forums where I have posted have got moderators who would have removed the article if the content was not good enough or relevant to the forum.

sushil_yadav


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Lighthouse on January 15, 2006, 12:55:16
Quote from: NickJW
Sorry but your some kind of crazy hippie psycho.


Hmmm... that seems like an emotional statement.  Who are you talking about here?  Yourself?   :WTF:


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: NickJW on January 15, 2006, 21:51:45
I admit that comment was uncalled for, but it dosen't change the fact that what Sushil is saying is completely absurd. We can't just demolish society and technology and expect life to be great. It sounds to me like what you want is the apocalypse or something and I find that quite offensive. Sushil is very ungrateful for what science, technology and society have given her and that is also offensive. Going back to the dark ages is not a fun idea. Its not like people who read this article are gonna go do something about it, becasue in order for them to change society in the way Sushil wants it someone would have to drop a few nukes all over the world. If you look back in history, there was much more warfare in the past and in the end your 'ideal' society would cause more carnage and death than it does now. War also promotes technology so with our technology plus the new technology of a warring planet you would end the life span of this planet exponentially quicker. Earth isn't gonna last forever, but you want a change when it is not needed, and you have the wrong idea of what this change should be. You have lived your whole life in an advanced society and you have no idea what it would be like getting rid of technology and society as we know it. You and most people would not survive.

It aslo dosen't change the fact that you are being extremely hypocritical, as you have a computer on your 'table' right now and I'm sure you have many other technological things that you do not need. in fact the only way your not being hypocritical is if you build your own house out of mud and sticks and carve spears to hunt your food with. And that is a fact.


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on January 18, 2006, 09:30:38
No one is asking people to go back to stone-age. You need to study some history. People did not directly jump from stone-age to Industrial Society. There were thousands of years in between - and people were living pretty well during this period. I repeat from my earlier post - Modern Industrial Society has existed for 100 years - 200 years - 300 years. When we compare this period with the total duration for which human society has existed on earth this period is so short - so small that it almost does'nt exist. It is almost zero.


Lifestyle of Mass Destruction.

Destruction is an inherent feature of Development.

Progress = Destruction of Nature.
Development = Destruction of Nature.

We can have Sustainable Lifestyle.
We cannot have Sustainable Development.

Development can never be sustainable.
Sustainability and Development cannot exist together.

Development and Sustainability are opposites.
Development and Sustainability are contradictory.

Sustainable Living is associated with consuming less – being satisfied with a simple and frugal life.
Development is associated with never ending desires – always wanting more.

Sustainable lifestyle requires Constancy.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Sameness.
Sustainable lifestyle requires Repetition.

Development is associated with Change.
Development is associated with New.
Development is associated with Transience.

Industrial Societies can never be sustainable – When you make thousands of consumer goods you kill Nature - you kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land.

A Society that does mental work [city based] can never be sustainable - it will keep on making consumer goods - destroying the environment moment by moment.

Only agriculture-based societies that do physical work can be sustainable.


The term Sustainable Development is like the terms

Stationary Walk.
Silent Talk.
Wakeful Sleep.
Dark Sun
Gentle Torture.
Dry Rain.
Peaceful War.

sushil_yadav


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: NickJW on January 18, 2006, 16:13:35
Perhaps you should read some history, did the Ice Age Cro-magnums of europe live good? No. Did the Roman people live good when there country was in civil war? No. Did we have a just society in the ancient world? No. Do you think the people were not being oppressed during the duration of the dark Ages? No. In fact, the early mesopatamians had an average lifespan of 40 years, and this was after they invented agriculture 12 000 years ago. The lifesapn was even shorter before agriculture sparked civilization. The fact of the matter is, is if we started going backwards the new generations would grow up in a more primitive world, and they would begin to have more primitive thoughts, just like the some of the ancient peoples and are society would be less just. Not to mention without things like medical science and technology, you can expect to die from getting the flu and other diseases with would normally be asily cured today. Industry is having a negative effect on the earth, but that means that industry itself just needs to be more responsible, not be completely wiped off the face of the earth.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: dingo on January 18, 2006, 19:40:07
Quote from: sushil yadav
The term Sustainable Development is like the terms

Stationary Walk.
Silent Talk.
Wakeful Sleep.
Dark Sun
Gentle Torture.
Dry Rain.
Peaceful War.


You sir, talk nonsense. What do you know of sustainability? What do you know of development? You say agriculture is sustainable - more often than not it isn't! You have to be very careful about how you farm land to ensure it is sustainable. Development doesn't neccessarily mean more pollution either - current developments are reducing the output of pollution and making technologies more efficient. What about developments in other areas - political developments, educational developments - are you saying the development of the Roman empire was a bad thing? Don't say "What did the romans ever do for us?" - just check google.. They brought us education, enforced laws, etc. etc.
Just saying developments always result in the destruction of nature is not good enough - you must support your conjecture with evidence.
What if we didn't have the healthcare that modern technology provides us? This is probably the most important aspect of technology we have. Without it, the total population of the Earth would probably be in the millions rather than the billions - we'd just be another animal species living and dying at the mercy of the environment.


Title: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: NickJW on January 19, 2006, 07:29:34
Finally, some one else who has a head on their shoulders. I didn't mean that the Roman Empire was a bad thing, I just used it as an example of how destroying industry would set us back and our quality of life would be like the Romans or worse (obviously we have a better quality of life than ancient peoples). The Romans did do alot for us, heck they nearly sparked an industrial age 2000 years ago.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on December 22, 2006, 05:32:13
Life was never good in the past.

Life will never be good in future.

Life can never be good.


Suffering is a part of life - an inherent feature of life. Suffering can never be eliminated.

There is Physical suffering - There is Mental suffering.

In pre-industrial society there were physical diseases caused by virus and bacteria.
In modern society there are hundreds of lifestyle related physical diseases - Cancer, Stroke, Diabetes, Obesity, Multiple Organ Failures.


Mental suffering will always exist. It exists in agrarian society. It exists in industrial society. As soon as we stop working we experience mental suffering.

We avoid mental suffering by working ceaselessly.

There is no higher purpose behind work.

People do not work because they want to work.
People work because they cannot stop working.

The energy generated by the food we eat forces us to work ceaselessly.

Energy = Energy[Physical Work] + Energy[Mental Work] + Energy[Suffering/ Subjective Experience]

All three energies on the right side are inversely proportional to one another.

When we do hard physical work or hard mental work or a combination of physical work and mental work almost all energy is used up in doing work.

When we stop physical work and mental work the unused energy is experienced as suffering/ anxiety/ restlessness/ discomfort. This suffering is so intense - so unbearable - that most people cannot stop physical activity and mental activity simultaneously for even 2 minutes.

People do not work because they want to work.
People do not work for their family.
People do not work for their nation.
People do not work for any reason.

People work because they cannot stop working.

It does not matter what kind of work we do - whether it is physical work or any kind of mental work. As soon as we stop working we suffer from restlessness, anxiety, uneasiness and discomfort.

[ In Yoga and Meditation the goal is to stop Physical Activity and Mental Activity simultaneously - and then transform the subjective-experience of restlessness/ anxiety/ suffering into peace. This requires ability and years of effort ]

For most people it is a choice between physical and mental work.
The switch-over from physical work to mental work is disastrous for the planet.

Man can do the same physical work every day.
Man cannot do the same mental work every day.

When man used to do physical work ( farming and related activities ) he could do the same repetitive work day after day- generation after generation.

After the Industrial Revolution when man switched-over to mental work he began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products-- a process which can only end with the complete destruction of environment ( planet ).

When society switches over from physical work to mental work it starts making thousands of consumer goods. People start calling them necessities. They are not necessities at all - 90% of consumer goods that we see today did not exist 50 years ago.

Food, Water, Air, Little clothing, Little Shelter - these are necessities.

Close your nose and stop breathing for a few minutes - you will then know what necessity is.

Stop drinking water for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.

Stop eating food for a few days - you will then know what necessity is.

Today people are making thousands of consumer goods - not because they are necessities - but because they cannot stop making them. People cannot stop doing work - After switching over to mental work they will keep on making thousands of unnecessary consumer goods. This is the reason why the switch-over from physical work to mental work is so destructive. This is the point of no-return - once this is crossed the destruction of Environment/ Nature is inevitable.

If we live a simple life there is individual suffering - but no largescale destruction of Environment.

If we live a consumerist life there is individual suffering - plus largescale destruction of Environment.




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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: AndrewTheSinger on December 22, 2006, 10:16:41
sushil yadav, you sound exactly like I did some 6 years ago, and I also heard the same things you're hearing now. It's not that I stopped believing, or even conformed, no, but I learned that the message goes to everyone or no one. No one is happy with the abuse of the resources and the contamination of the environment, but euphoric words won't change the course of things. The best you can do is become a living example for the others, and hopefully they will follow, but even if they don't, know in your mind that you're doing the best that you can, and that's the most you can wish for. You're really not alone in this.

 


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Sharpe on December 24, 2006, 01:34:30
You know, i'm too tired for writing a huge list of why the crazy hippie is true.
So trust me, he's right in every way. But there are a few flaws in his solution, but...like i said, i'm too tired.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on August 30, 2007, 07:49:10
If you hate technology and science and industry and societyso much, why are you using a computer? Seriously, prove to me your not a hypocrit and throw your computer, TV, phone and everything else out your window, oh and don't forget to neglect the electricity bills, you don't need electricity, you have nature and -20 degree weather instead.

Mr. Expert Opinion,

Yes, I am using the computer - but I am using very few other things.

How many consumer goods and services are you using?

Would you like to compare your ecological footprint with mine?

Let us find out who is a bigger burden on earth.



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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on August 30, 2007, 07:58:00
what Sushil is saying is completely absurd.

It aslo dosen't change the fact that you are being extremely hypocritical, as you have a computer on your 'table' right now and I'm sure you have many other technological things that you do not need. in fact the only way your not being hypocritical is if you build your own house out of mud and sticks and carve spears to hunt your food with. And that is a fact.

I find it ironic that you have no concern/ compassion for Environment despite the fact that you owe your very existence to nature/ environment.

Why do you breathe the Air?
Why do you drink the Water?
Why do you eat the Food that comes from Soil? - Why don't you have Computers for breakfast, lunch and dinner.

Take all your technology to the Moon - and try producing a single grain of Food without using any natural ingredient from Earth.


In the absence of Nature your grandfather would'nt have lived.
In the absence of Nature your father would'nt have lived.
In the absence of Nature you would'nt have lived.

Show some respect to Nature.

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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Sharpe on August 30, 2007, 16:47:37
Omg, you don't get it!
First of all if you want people to do what you want, you dont tell the truth...
If you want to change the world you don't "just" do it.
People are programmed too much "in" the economy which is controlled by banks and the internal revenue service, they control the media and politics around the world.
Don't you think their grandparents busted their asses off to get control?
You have to give your life and be patient if you want the world.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on August 30, 2007, 18:00:10
Omg, you don't get it!

But I'm definite you can't handle it, go die, hippie.

Here comes the wise one.

What great work have you done until now?
What are your results?
Have you managed to change the world?

Kill yourself first , before you ask others to die.

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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Sharpe on August 30, 2007, 18:03:20
You first.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on September 15, 2007, 14:46:05
sushil yadav, you sound exactly like I did some 6 years ago, and I also heard the same things you're hearing now. It's not that I stopped believing, or even conformed, no, but I learned that the message goes to everyone or no one. No one is happy with the abuse of the resources and the contamination of the environment, but euphoric words won't change the course of things. The best you can do is become a living example for the others, and hopefully they will follow, but even if they don't, know in your mind that you're doing the best that you can, and that's the most you can wish for. You're really not alone in this.

AndrewTheSinger,

Thanks for your message. You are right - people don't care about Nature/ Environment.
 
When people fall sick, they rush to the Doctor.
When people fall sick, they rush to the Hospital.

When these same people are told - the Earth is sick - all Ecosystems are dying, they say - why bother - why change our lifestyle - it was meant to happen this way.


Industrial Society is destroying necessary things [Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things [Consumer Goods].

When we make consumer goods we kill Animals/ Trees, Air/ Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals. Industry kills Water. What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted.

Industry/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"

These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".




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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Sharpe on September 15, 2007, 17:22:26
You don't understand if we change the system now, everyone will be depressed and unhappy.
These things take time to change and I don't see why we would change.
And besides, some people want to learn the truth about our existence, if people like you take that away, you take away that whole purpose.
We need an industrial society to figure out the truth.
What gives you the right to take that away?

If you take away everything of this society, the idea of attraction male/female will shift also depending on make-up and clothes.
People will get more depressed if they can't get their sexual needs.
And besides the status-hiërarchy is build on having more consumer goods than other people.

Another thing is: Most people want to change the political system to shift the idea of the status-hiërarchy to make their own position the highest.

And your idea of "great" is just a simple reflection of your status in this society.
Nothing is better than the other, people will always be unhappy, and some people will stay happy.
If you fail in this society, you will fail in your society when people with more ambition get the higher status  and beat you at your own game.

Be aware of yourself first.



Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on June 17, 2009, 10:43:22
For several decades environmentalists have been warning modern society that ecosystems are getting destroyed - that consumerist lifestyle is not sustainable.

But modern society which was busy chasing progress, growth and development did not listen. It refused to believe there was any environmental crisis or problem. It said science and technology will always find a solution - if earth gets destroyed we will move on to another planet.

Impossible dreams were sold to people in the name of science and technology.

Moving to another planet would probably rank as the most impossible of all impossible things.

One space shuttle exploded during take off - another exploded on the return journey.

So far man has not been able to go beyond the moon. There is no other life sustaining ecosystem/ planet within the solar system. Outside the solar system planets and galaxies are millions of light years away - billions of light years away.

So when are we moving to a new home ?

Next year - or 5 years later ?


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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: zareste on June 17, 2009, 19:15:40
The other day I had something strange happen. I was riding my bike late at night - nothing special - when something changed in my mind and I went into this state where I understood the planet was a living thing, and I got feelings from it. (this was completely unprovoked and I still don't know how it happened)

I found myself looking through the past, feeling the memories of what went on centuries ago when there were no cars or planes or factories anywhere. The ecosystem was very complex - the radiation from the sun over the meadows and the countless plants and the bugs here and there, the pollen and ions in the wind. Everything very alive and very active. It was like another planet - very different from the 'nature' you see when you drive out to the park or to the country in our current time, now that the systems have been broken down into a dry, lifeless stupor.

But during my few moments in this state, something else became clear: There were conflicts between animals, the bugs were fighting, the mammals ate each other, the plants had thorns, there were widespread fights between species. While it's all very fascinating from the perspective of an intelligent being, the creatures living in it were less than amused.

Our planet, while alive, was always a bit demented.

That's why the industrials don't think twice before knocking down a forest. You have to think: Was the world so much better before? There used to be bears and wolves where I live now. The natives were always dying of disease and starvation, and killed each other as well as the animals. There were always physical and psychic predators everywhere. The order may have been upset by the industrials, but it wasn't a very pleasant order.

There's a reason the environmentalists aren't stopping the destruction. If they wanted, they could drag the industrials into the streets tomorrow and paint the city with their blood, and we could go back to the old ways. But we don't want to go back to the old ways, do we?

What we want is something new. Something that's better than the old ways and better than the ancient ways.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: CFTraveler on June 17, 2009, 22:46:04
I had the impression industrialism is pretty much over.  It's heyday was when mechanization was seen as the answer to all our problems and political systems reorganized themselves to make this 'dream' happen.  Both communism and capitalism (as we have it now, with multinationals mechanizing all aspects of production, and humans almost exclusively dedicated to sell the products of this mechanization.) were designed for this- but now we have come to understand that the industrial revolution is over and nothing improved in general- we don't have more food, more time for art and other enrichment activities, more anything else.  So now we're moving away from it.
The question is, towards what?  I've heard it be said that this is the beginning of the 'communication' era- that information is treated as a commodity as much as manufactured goods used to be.  The  question is, is this true, and if it is, what does this mean for the world, and all those that live in it?


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: zareste on June 17, 2009, 23:54:39
Hmm, communication sounds good to me. Toppling the hierarchy and all. My hope for the future is that people will drop centralized governments and capitalist/socialist/communist social systems (all of which function on the "you'll work because I tell you to" philosophy) and instead form cause-driven societies. That is, organizations of people working toward common agendas, cooperating with whoever they want to cooperate with - not whoever they're forced to cooperate with.

I think it could work because that's how the more intelligent humanoids tend to function. Some of their societies have no crime, few conflicts, and no need for currency because everything is provided. They aim for common causes, so they're concerned with each other's well-being and not simply burdened by each other like people in our society.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: no_leaf_clover on June 18, 2009, 07:59:06
You don't understand if we change the system now, everyone will be depressed and unhappy.

This is exactly what is going to happen in the next several years, to put it lightly.  The wheels of the system come to a screeching halt because no one has been taking care of it,  just as no one has been taking good care of the Earth itself.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on June 30, 2009, 13:34:20
Quote from: CFTravele
I had the impression industrialism is pretty much over.  It's heyday was when mechanization was seen as the answer to all our problems and political systems reorganized themselves to make this 'dream' happen.  Both communism and capitalism (as we have it now, with multinationals mechanizing all aspects of production, and humans almost exclusively dedicated to sell the products of this mechanization.) were designed for this.

Quote from: no_leaf_c
This is exactly what is going to happen in the next several years, to put it lightly.  The wheels of the system come to a screeching halt because no one has been taking care of it,  just as no one has been taking good care of the Earth itself.

Industrial Society has been spreading blatant lies over the years.

"Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Ethical Consumerism", "Sustainable Development".

These are contradictory terms – these are oxymorons.
Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.

You cannot save a person after you have killed him.
You cannot save ecosystems after you have killed them for making consumer goods.



When we make consumer goods we kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals.  What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted. Industry kills Water.

Industries/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel  - and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


We have limited resources/ ecosystems on earth which is just 40,000 km in circumference.

If we destroy ecosystems for fewer things [food, clothing, shelter] the ecosystems will last longer.

If we destroy ecosystems for more things [consumer goods] the ecosystems will finish much sooner.

The fewer things we make the more sustainable we are.

This is common sense - plain common sense - which the so called smart, intelligent, advanced, civilized and developed Industrial Society does not possess.



We are alive because of ecosystems - we owe our very existence to ecosystems.

Industrial Society has destroyed most ecosystems within a span of 250 years after Industrial Revolution.

Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things [animals, trees, air, water and land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured, repaired or restored by MultiNational Companies in industries and factories.

The collapse has already happened for millions of other species. Most of them have been decimated.

Very soon it will be the turn of man to go.


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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: CFTraveler on June 30, 2009, 21:37:09
Industrial Society has been spreading blatant lies over the years.

"Green Industry", "Green Technology", "Ethical Consumerism", "Sustainable Development".

These are contradictory terms – these are oxymorons.
Industrialization can never be green – it is impossible.

You cannot save a person after you have killed him.
You cannot save ecosystems after you have killed them for making consumer goods.



When we make consumer goods we kill Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land - directly or indirectly.

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems - all Industrial Societies destroy ecosystems.

It hardly matters whether it is "Capitalist Industrial Society" - "Communist Industrial Society" - or "Socialist Industrial Society".

Industrial Society destroys ecosystems at every stage of its functioning - when consumer goods are produced - when consumer goods are used - when consumer goods are discarded/ recycled.

Raw material for industry is obtained by cutting up Forests. It is extracted by mining/ digging up the earth. It comes by destroying/ killing Trees, Animals and Land.

Industries/ Factories use Water. The water that comes out of Factories is contaminated with hundreds of toxic chemicals.  What to speak of Rivers - entire Oceans have been polluted. Industry kills Water.

Industries/ Factories burn millions of tonnes of fuel  - and when raw material is melted/ heated up, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into the atmosphere. Industry kills Air.

Industrial Society has covered millions of square miles of land with cement and concrete. Industry kills Land.

When consumer goods are discarded/ thrown away in landfills it again leads to destruction of ecosystems.

When consumer goods are recycled, hundreds of toxic chemicals are released into air, water and land.

Consumer goods are sold/ marketed through a network of millions of kilometers of rail / road network and shipping routes which causes destruction of all ecosystems that come in the way.


We have limited resources/ ecosystems on earth which is just 40,000 km in circumference.

If we destroy ecosystems for fewer things [food, clothing, shelter] the ecosystems will last longer.

If we destroy ecosystems for more things [consumer goods] the ecosystems will finish much sooner.

The fewer things we make the more sustainable we are.

This is common sense - plain common sense - which the so called smart, intelligent, advanced, civilized and developed Industrial Society does not possess.



We are alive because of ecosystems - we owe our very existence to ecosystems.

Industrial Society has destroyed most ecosystems within a span of 250 years after Industrial Revolution.

Industrial Society has destroyed necessary things [animals, trees, air, water and land] for making unnecessary things [consumer goods].

Ecosystems are not consumer goods that can be manufactured, repaired or restored by MultiNational Companies in industries and factories.

The collapse has already happened for millions of other species. Most of them have been decimated.

Very soon it will be the turn of man to go.


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Sushil, what's your point?  I see what looks like propaganda and sloganism, but no answer to any questions.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on July 01, 2009, 15:21:22
Sushil, what's your point?  I see what looks like propaganda and sloganism, but no answer to any questions.

CFTraveler,

There are no answers - there are no solutions.

What is the fate of a vehicle running in a closed garage?


The collapse has already happened for millions of other species. Most of them have been decimated.

Very soon it will be the turn of man to go.


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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Stookie on July 01, 2009, 16:21:26
So this whole thread is just to tell us we're all doomed? Thanks for the message, Buzz Killington.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on February 20, 2012, 10:12:59
For the last 50 years Intellectuals have been debating what is good for Environment......Capitalist Industrial Society, Communist Industrial Society or Socialist Industrial Society?

This is like debating what is good for people.....Capitalist Poison, Communist Poison or Socialist Poison.

Poison kills people.....it doesn't matter who made it ......Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

Industrial Activity kills ecosystems.....It doesn't matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

All Industrial Activity destroys environment......Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Transportation Industry, Construction Industry, Recycling Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Millions of kilometers of Rail & Road network and Shipping Lanes…..They all destroy environment….. It doesn't matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

American Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…..Russian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Chinese Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems…….Indian Industrial Activity has destroyed ecosystems……Every Industrial Society destroys ecosystems…… It doesn't matter which system runs it.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism.

In just 250 years Industrial Society has destroyed 75 - 90% of Forests, Wild Animals and Fish Population......Population of Lions, Tigers and Elephants is down to 2 - 5% of what it was 100 years ago......Population of Large Fish in Oceans is down to 10% of what it was 100 years ago.....Industrial Society has poisoned the entire planet with Trillions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste, Nuclear Waste.....It has killed Trillions of Animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses and billions of acres of Fertile Soil with Cement And Concrete.

Animals did not destroy Environment for millions of years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

Hunter Gatherer Society did not destroy Environment for a million years.......because their activity was limited to searching for food.

Agrarian Society caused very limited destruction of environment over 10,000 years[compared to Industrial Society].......because their activity was limited to food, clothing and shelter.

Industrial Society has destroyed almost all Ecosystems in just 250 years......because it is destroying environment for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

Industrial Activity for production of Consumer Goods must stop immediately.......Human work must be limited to Food, Clothing and Shelter......And even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.

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Discussion cannot save environment........Money cannot save environment......Technology cannot save environment......Environmental Organizations cannot save environment.......Activism cannot save environment.

Animal Species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment through discussion......They did not even have a language for discussing environmental issues.

Animal species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment with money ........They had no money.

Animal species, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society did not save environment with modern technology........They had no modern technology......It was absence of modern technology that saved environment in pre-industrial societies........Over-exploitation of ecosystems became possible only because of Industrial Machines.

Animal species, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society did not save environment with the help of Environmental Organizations or Activism........They had no environmental organizations.

Animal Species did not destroy environment for millions of years.......Hunter Gatherer Society destroyed very little environment during a million years of existence......Agrarian Society destroyed very little environment [compared to Industrial Society] over a period of 10,000 years.

There is only one way to save environment.......Destroy less......Minimize the list of things that are destroying environment.

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Promoters of Growth rate, Economy Rate and GDP are the biggest terrorists on earth.......Millions of times bigger terrorists than Taliban and Al Qaeda.

Our society has placed a bounty of millions of dollars on the heads of Taliban and Al Qaeda

No bounty on the heads of people who promoted Industrialization, Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP that has led to destruction of most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems on earth???

It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that produced Trillions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste that has contaminated and poisoned the entire planet......It was Industrial Society.

It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that decimated millions of animal and plant species......It was Industrial Society.

It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that killed billions of acres of fertile soil with cement, concrete and asphalt......It was Industrial Society.

It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that decimated fish in the oceans......It was Industrial Fishing.

It was not Taliban or Al Qaeda that killed millions of people in wars.......It was Military Industrial Complex.

Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth.

For millions of years before industrialization the list of things that destroyed environment never exceeded food, clothing and shelter.......Animals destroyed environment for food......Hunter_Gatherer Society destroyed environment for food......Agrarian Society destroyed environment for food, clothing and shelter.

Development is Destruction........Development is Destruction.

"Growth Rate" - "Economy Rate" - "GDP"
These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "Crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "Destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".

Promoters of Growth Rate, Economy Rate & GDP are the biggest Killers, Murderers & Terrorists on earth.

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Story of Pseudo Environmentalism in Industrial Society.
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A Serial Killer with endless supply of ammunition goes on the rampage in the city.....The Police are informed.....They arrive on the scene.....They do not try to stop or capture the shooter.....They do not try to kill or incapacitate the shooter.....They allow him to continue shooting......They give him full liberty to move around all over the city.

The Police focus on the victims of shooting.....They take them to Hospitals and try to save them with the help of best Technology / Health Care.....The Government sets up thousands of Organizations to do research on how the Whites can be saved, How the Blacks can be saved, How the Asians can be saved, How the Young can be saved, How the Elderly can be saved.....The Government gives Billions of Dollars of Grant to "Think Tanks" and NGO's to find out how the victims can be saved.....People of the city engage in Billions of pages of Discussion, Debate and Argument to find a solution to the problem.

This is not the story of the Mass Shooter.....This is the story of Environmentalism in Industrial Society.

Environment is being destroyed by Industrial Activity........Environmental Activists and Organizations are trying to save environment without stopping Industrial Activity

One group is trying to save Forests......The second group is trying to save Rivers......The third group is trying to save Oceans......The fourth group is trying to make the Air clean......The fifth group is trying to save Tigers and Elephants......The sixth group is trying to save Whales and Dolphins.

Industrial Technology has destroyed environment........Industrial Society is trying to save environment by changing the Technology.

Bring this Technology, Bring that Technology........Bring this Technology, Bring that Technology.

Height of Insanity and Abnormality......This is like trying to save a victim of shooting not by stopping the shooting but by changing the gun.

People who are trying to save environment in Industrial Society without stopping all Industrial Activity deserve the Nobel Prize for Lunacy.

Why don't people realize the futility and absurdity of their efforts......It is impossible to save animals, trees, air, water and land without stopping all Industrial Activity.

What is the point in saving a few Dogs, Cats, Whales, Tigers and Elephants when Industrial Society is killing billions of animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses and billions of Wild Animals in Forests by destroying Forests with Industrial Activities like Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Construction Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Networks and ever expanding Towns and Cities.......Industrial Society is also killing billions of fish in the oceans with Industrial Fishing and through discharge of billions of tonnes of Industrial Waste into oceans which has made them poisonous, acidic, warmer and created oxygen-deprived dead zones in the oceans.

It is impossible to save Air, water and Land without stopping all Industrial Activity because Industrial Activity is killing them with trillions of tonnes of Metal waste, Plastic waste, Gaseous waste, Chemical waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.......Industrial Activity produces trillions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Waste and there are only three places on earth where all this waste can go....Air, water and Soil.....There is no fourth place on earth where this waste can go...... It is impossible for Rivers, Oceans, Atmosphere and Soil to be clean in Industrial Society.

This planet can only sustain a Hunter_Gatherer Society or an Agrarian Society......Not an Industrial Society.

All Environmentalism is Pseudo-Environmentalism in Industrial Society.......It is impossible to save environment in an Industrial Society.

People who pretend they are saving environment in Industrial Society are even more insane, abnormal and criminal than people who are destroying the environment.

It is impossible to save environment in Industrial Society because Industrialization itself is the cause of environmental destruction.........In a non-industrial society environmentalism was not even needed.......In the absence of Industrial Activity environment got saved automatically because only limited destruction of environment was possible without Industrial Machines.

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Environment has been destroyed by Industrial Activity........Trying to save environment without stopping Industrial Activity is like ..

Trying to save a victim of shooting by shooting him even more.

Trying to save a victim of stabbing by stabbing him even more.

Trying to save a victim of poisoning by giving him even more poison.

Height of Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality.......You cannot save environment by destroying more of it.

Industrial Society has been destroying Extra environment for 250 years........It has been destroying environment for "thousands of consumer goods and services" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

You cannot save a person after killing him.......You cannot save environment after it has been killed by Industrial Activity.

The entire Industrial Society deserves the Nobel Prize for Lunacy for pretending that environment is getting saved when the reality is that Industrial Society has been destroying extra environment after industrialization and has destroyed so much extra environment in 250 years that there is hardly any environment left to save.

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What is the Result of 50 years of Environmentalism/ Pseudo Environmentalism in Industrial Society???

Industrial Society has been killing millions of times more Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land than Pre-Industrial Society every day for several decades.

Industrial Society has been killing millions of acres of Forests with Industrial Activity every day for several decades.

Industrial Society has been killing Billions of Animals in Industrial Slaughter Houses every day for several decades.

Industrial Society has been killing millions of Wild Animals by destroying the Forests where they live with Industrial Activity every day for several decades.

Industrial Society has been killing Air, Water and Soil with billions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste every day for several decades.....Industrial Society has been killing Rivers, Oceans, Air/ Atmosphere and Soil/ Land with Billions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic waste, Gaseous waste, Chemical Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste every day for several decades.

Industrial Society has been killing Millions of Acres of Fertile Soil with Cement, Concrete and Asphalt every day for several decades.

All this Killing / Destruction was absent in Pre-Industrial Society without any Environmentalism.

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All Environmentalism in Industrial Society is Pseudo Environmentalism.

No environment is getting saved in Industrial Society.....Not an iota of environment is getting saved.

How can environment ever be saved in Industrial Society when Industrial Activity itself is the cause of environmental destruction....Environment can only be saved in a Non-Industrial Society.

Industrial Society has created hundreds of unnecessary / futile occupations to solve the problems created by Industrialization.....Environmental Activism is one of them.....If thousands of organizations and millions of activists are trying to save environment in Industrial Society it does not mean that environment is getting saved…..There have been three human societies on earth .....Hunter_Gatherer, Agrarian and Industrial.....In Hunter_Gatherer Society there was no Urban Population, entire population was engaged in searching for food.....In Agrarian Society less than 2% of population was Urban, Most of the population was engaged in producing food.....In Industrial Society 50% of world population is producing food for entire population , the remaining 50% population is Urban which has created hundreds of unnecessary occupations to keep itself occupied..... People would go crazy without work…. Environmentalism / Environmental Activism is one such profession [occupation]......[Other unnecessary and destructive professions in Industrial Society include Manufacturing and Marketing of thousands of consumer goods and services, Jobs in Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex and several other jobs]....No Environmentalism was needed in Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian Societies because in the absence of Industrial Activity only limited destruction of environment was possible, so environment got saved automatically.

If billions of pages of environmental discussion is taking place in Industrial Society it does not mean that environment is getting saved......Endless Discussion, Debate and Argument is a Disease and Insanity of Industrial Society that invented the Printing Press, Radio, Television and Internet.....Animal Species and Hunter_Gatherer Society did not save environment through discussion.....They didn't even have a language for discussion…..Billions of pages of Discussion, Debate and Argument is another harmful waste of Industrial Society just like Billions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.

All Environmentalism in Industrial Society is Pseudo Environmentalism.

No environment is getting saved in Industrial Society.....Not an iota of environment is getting saved.

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The one and only cause of environmental destruction is Industrialization.

Overpopulation and Overconsumerism are consequences / by-products of Industrialization.

Without Industrialization there would be no overpopulation and no overconsumerism.

Industrialization, Overpopulation and Overconsumerism happen together.......Industrialization, Overpopulation and Overconsumerism happen at the same time.

It is Industrialization that has led to a population of 7 billion.....Not overbreeding.

The entire world was overbreeding before Industrialization.....The entire world is underbreeding after Industrialization.

There used to be 5 - 15 children per family all over the world before Industrialization and yet world population reached only 1 billion till 1800 AD......After Industrialization the family size reduced drastically, most families are now having 1 - 4 children and yet world population jumped from 1 billion to 7 billion in just about 200 years.

If Industrialization had not happened world population would be less than 2 billion today.

India and China have large populations today because they started with larger populations thousands of years ago since ancient civilizations thrived in these regions.....What was the population of Europe and America 2000 years ago????.....Was it comparable with the population of India and China???? .....And once again, In the absence of Industrialization India and China would not be having large populations today.

If Industrialization had not happened, High death rate would have kept population of the world under control....Diseases caused by virus and bacteria would have kept population under control.....Feeding capacity of soil would have kept population under control....Shortage of food and water would have kept population under control.....Harsh Climatic Conditions would have kept population under control - People would not have been able to live in regions that are too hot or too cold.

If Industrialization had not happened this planet would have been in very good condition today.....There would be no overpopulation, no overconsumerism and only limited urbanization.

A Non-Industrial Society would have destroyed some ecosystems on the land [Forests] but Marine Ecology [Oceans] would have been almost 100% safe today......Forest Cover would be much greater than what it is now....Millions of species on the land and in the sea would not have been decimated and would be thriving with very healthy populations......This planet would be free of Billions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.....The Oceans wouldn't have become Acidic, Warmer and Oxygen Deprived because of Industrial Waste.

It is consumerism that destroys environment, Not population.

A Hunter_Gatherer Society of 7 billion would have destroyed very little environment...... because it would have destroyed environment only for food......not for thousands of consumer goods and services.

An Agrarian Society of 7 billion would have destroyed very little environment [compared to an Industrial Society of 7 billion]...... because it would have destroyed environment only for food, clothing and shelter.......not for thousands of consumer goods and services.

[By the way, A Hunter_Gatherer Society would have never reached a population of 7 billion......An Agrarian Society would have never reached a population of 7 billion]

Environment has been destroyed by Industrialization/ Consumerism…….Not by Population/ Overpopulation.

Total World Population has not increased ……It has decreased……In fact total world population has been decimated.

When we talk about population we should take into account population of all animal species on earth, not just human population.

Industrial Society has decimated millions of Animal Species……Increase in human population has coincided with decrease/ decimation of millions of animal species.... The total burden of population on this planet has not increased…..It has decreased.

Industrial Society has decimated millions of other species......There was a time when the combined population of other animal species was much greater than present human population.....and we don't even need to include smaller animals in this count.....The combined population of big animals alone whose size and weight was equivalent to or greater than man was much greater than current human population of 7 billion.

The amount of food this animal population was eating was much greater than the food consumed by humans today.......Yet millions of animal species did not destroy environment and lived sustainably on earth for millions of years......because they destroyed environment only for food and not for thousands of consumer goods and services.

If animals had started a consumerist "Industrial Society" millions of years ago they would have destroyed all ecosystems millions of years ago.

The entire world has been trying to control human population for 50 years and these efforts should / will continue in future.....so where is the problem with population?????

It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to complain about overpopulation when it itself is the cause of overpopulation......It is so ridiculous of Industrial Society to make attempts to control population while promoting Consumerism, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP exponentially.

This planet can only sustain a Non-Industrial Society.

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If Urban Society stops all its supplies to Villages......Electricity, Oil, Machinery and Equipment, Villagers will survive forever.

If Villages stop all their supplies to Cities......Food Grains and Vegetables, Urban Population will die within a month.

[ Villagers need Electricity, Oil, Machinery and Equipment to produce food for the Urban Population , They would not need these things to produce food for themselves]

Urban Population is engaged in Unnecessary Work, Meaningless Work, Futile Work and Destructive Work which has led to destruction of most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems on earth.

For millions of years "Searching For Food" / "Producing Food" were the primary occupations of almost the entire human population in Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian Society.

There is Zero chance of saving the little environment that is left without fixing the problem of "Urban Population".

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Animal Species had Zero Percent Urban Population.......Hunter_Gatherer Society had Zero Percent Urban Population.......Agrarian Society had less than Two Percent Urban Population.......All these societies sustained for millions of years collectively.

The current Industrial Society which has 50% Urban Population worldwide has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems in just 250 years after Industrial Revolution.......Industrial Activity has been promoted by Urban Population......Industrial Activity has been promoted by people who do not produce food.

This planet can sustain Animal Species.....It can sustain Hunter_Gatherer Human Society......It can sustain Agrarian Human Society......It cannot sustain Industrial Human Society.

This planet can only sustain food producing societies where almost the entire population is engaged in food production......It cannot sustain an Industrial Society where 50% of world population is growing food for entire population and the remaining 50% living in cities is promoting Industrial Activity.

Animals saved environment for millions of years because they destroyed it only for food.....Hunter_Gatherer Society saved environment because it destroyed environment only for food.....Agrarian Society saved environment because it destroyed environment only for food, clothing and shelter.

Industrial Society has destroyed most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems because it destroyed environment for "Thousands of consumer goods and services" in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

In the Animal Kingdom, Hunter_Gatherer Society and Agrarian Society almost the entire population was engaged in "Searching for Food" / "Growing Food".

It is the Urban Population that is engaged in and promoting Industrial Activity ......Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Transportation Industry, Construction Industry, Recycling Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Millions of kilometers of Rail & Road network, Air Routes and Shipping Lanes…..They all destroy environment......All Industrial Activity must be stopped.

Food, clothing and shelter......These are the maximum number of things this planet can provide to humans......The only way to save the remaining environment is by reorganizing the entire population so that food production remains the only primary activity just like it was for millions of years before Industrialization.

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This planet cannot sustain an Industrial / Urban Society......The problem is not Capitalism, The problem is Industrialization / Urbanization.......The solution is not Communism or Socialism, The solution is Non-Industrial / Non-Urban Society.

Capitalism, Communism or Socialism does not matter at all........What matters is percentage of Urban Population......A Socialist Industrial Society with 80% Urban Population will be as Harmful, Destructive and Evil as a Capitalist Industrial Society with 80% Urban Population...... A Communist Industrial Society with 80% Urban Population will be as Harmful, Destructive and Evil as a Capitalist Industrial Society with 80% Urban Population.

Urban Population is responsible for consumerism.......Urban Population does not produce Food.....It produces thousands of Consumer Goods and Services.

Consumerism is directly proportional to Percentage of Urban Population.

Saving environment in Industrial Society is an impossibility......No Industrial Society can save environment.......Communist or Socialist Industrial Societies cannot be less destructive than Capitalist Industrial Societies.

There cannot be any sustainable Industrial Society........The fault does not lie in Capitalism.....The fault lies in Industrialization.....All Industrial Societies are the same.....All Industrial Societies are equally harmful, destructive and evil.

Destruction of environment is guaranteed in Industrial Society......The debate over Capitalism, Communism and Socialism in the context of Environmental Crisis is meaningless and absurd.

Industrialization , Urbanization and Consumerism go hand in hand......They happen together.

Today 50% of world population is Urban, living in cities...... 50% of world population is producing food for entire population and the remaining 50% population living in Cities is primarily engaged in production and marketing of thousands of consumer goods and services........Urban population is not producing food, it is producing consumer goods and services.......Even if the entire world is made Communist or Socialist it is not going to bring about any change in consumerism because the percentage of Urban Population will remain the same and it will continue producing and marketing thousands of consumer goods and services.

In America 90 - 95% of population is Urban......That is why consumerism is so rampant in the US......Even if America is made Communist or Socialist it is not going to reduce consumerism because the percentage of Urban Population would still remain the same.

In Europe 80 - 90% of population is Urban.

In China and India consumerism has risen exponentially with the increase in percentage of Urban Population.

Capitalism, Communism or Socialism does not matter.......What matters is Industrialization and Urbanization which results in Consumerism.

This planet cannot sustain Industrial Urban Population.......This planet cannot sustain a society that does not produce its own food.

This planet can sustain a Hunter_Gatherer Society or an Agrarian Society where almost the entire population is engaged in "searching for food" / producing food......This planet cannot sustain an Industrial Society where 50% of population is producing food for entire population and the remaining 50% population is producing thousands of consumer goods and services.

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Industrial Society has existed for barely 250 years which comes to almost Zero Percent of Total Human Existence on earth....Humans have spent more than 99.99% of their time on earth in Non-Industrial Societies [Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian].....Industrial Society is an Anomaly....Only Non-Industrial Societies are sustainable.

A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been less than 2 billion today.

If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.

At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated or minimized.

We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial Activity must be primarily limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.


Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on December 27, 2012, 05:39:58
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When there was still time to save environment a whole century was wasted in the futile debate over Capitalism, Socialism and Communism.

Trying to save environment after 250 years of relentless Industrial Activity is like trying to revive a dead man.....There is hardly any environment left to save.

Industrial Activity destroys environment.....Where there is Industrial Activity there is environmental destruction.....Capitalism, Communism or Socialism doesn't matter at all.

Monsanto is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.

Nuclear Power Plants are not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.

Mining Industry is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.

Logging Industry is not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism.

Construction Industry is not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism.

Transportation Industry is not going to become less harmful under Communism or Socialism.

Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Tar Sands and Hydraulic Fracking are not going to become less destructive under Communism or Socialism.

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A person is being shot 100 times......Some people are supposed to save the victim.....They do nothing till 99 bullets have hit the victim.....When the last bullet is about to be fired they rush to save the victim, who is already dead by then.

Industrial Activity has been destroying Biodiversity and Ecosystems for 250 years.....Industrial Society should not have been started in the first place.....Once it came into existence its harmful impact on environment should have alerted people and they should have tried to stop Industrial Activity in the early stages.....If people had tried to stop Industrial Activity 50 years or even 100 years after it began, environment could have been saved because most of the environmental destruction has taken place in the last 50 - 100 years when the rate of Industrialization and Consumerism rose exponentially.....Trying to save environment after 250 years of Industrial Activity is like trying to revive a dead man.....There is hardly any environment left to save.

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When a mass shooter kills 20 American kids the world is outraged.

When millions of baby seals are clubbed to death the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills billions of animals in Slaughter Houses the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills billions of wild animals by destroying forests with Industrial Activity the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills Rivers, Lakes, Oceans, Atmosphere and Land with billions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills billions of acres of fertile soil that provides food to millions of species with Cement, Concrete and Asphalt the world is not outraged.

When Industrial Society kills ecosystems that are home to millions of species it is called Progress, Growth, Development.

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Who is not a killer in Industrial Society?????

Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

Industrial Society has killed billions of farm animals in Slaughter Houses and billions of wild animals in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of animals.

Industrial Society has killed billions of Trees in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of Trees.

Industrial Activity has produced billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous Industrial Waste.....This waste has polluted and poisoned air, water and soil....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita waste which is a measure of per capita killing of air, water and soil.

Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

Mass shooters are not the only insane people in this society.....The entire Industrial Society is insane.

The entire Industrial Society is insane, abnormal and criminal.

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Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.

This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" Societies.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society.

This planet can only sustain Hunter_Gatherer Society or Agrarian Society.....It cannot sustain an Industrial Society....It cannot sustain an Urban Society that produces thousands of consumer goods and services instead of food.

An Industrial Society will always be cruel to millions of other species and to itself.

A society that has destroyed all the natural resources of the planet will also destroy itself.

After destroying biodiversity and ecosystems which sustained human life for millions of years man will not even exist.

Welfare of humans and millions of other species is only possible in a non-industrial society.

Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth....The biggest act of killing, murder and terrorism on earth.

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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Lionheart on December 27, 2012, 06:10:45
 My "see through" method of reading things shows me you have a good heart. It also show me your anger and resentment of Humanity.  :-(

 I am afraid your words are falling on deaf ears. We can't turn back what has happened already, but we can be mindfull of our future. It starts with simple things like recycling or picking up that plastic bottle lying on the side of the road. If everyone thought of others not just themselves, we would see welcomed change in our World.

 Technology is going to continue to advance. Oil is going to continue to be drilled. They have weighed the pros vs the cons and see that right now we need the oil to sustain our current lifestyles. That we need technological advances to move ahead.

 Possibly someday Mother Nature will rebel and teach us a lesson we will never forget. But until that day occurs we will keep manufacturing, digging, using and abusing every resource they can find. I know, it's a shame, but that's the reality we live in!  :-(

 But complaining and beating down on people is not the way to spread this message. Just like everything else we learn in the NPR, the answers have to come from inside of us. We just have to put down the distractions long enough to listen to them!  :wink:


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on December 29, 2012, 05:33:14
Possibly someday Mother Nature will rebel and teach us a lesson we will never forget. But until that day occurs we will keep manufacturing, digging, using and abusing every resource they can find. I know, it's a shame, but that's the reality we live in!

Thanks for your post, Lionheart.

More than 99.99% destruction of this planet has already happened.....Only the end of humans is yet to happen.

Most of the Biodiversity and Ecosystems have already been destroyed.

Species are not lost when they become extinct....Species are lost when they get decimated....Species were lost when their populations dropped from billions and millions before industrialization to thousands and hundreds after industrialization.

There are(were) millions of species in this world....Most of them have already been decimated because Industrial Activity has destroyed most of the forests....Millions of Plant and Animal species have been decimated by Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Construction Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Oil Drilling, Oil Refining, Transportation Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road Networks, Ports and Airports..

If we calculate the decline in populations of millions of species after industrialization the combined loss will come to more than 99.9%.
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Rivers, Lakes, Oceans, Atmosphere and Land have been polluted, poisoned and killed by trillions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.....The entire planet has become a Toxic Dump.....All Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste that has been produced by Industrial Society in 250 years after Industrial Revolution has accumulated on earth....It has not gone out of earth.

Oceans have turned acidic and warmer and there are oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans....Fish in the oceans have been decimated by Industrial Fishing.

Billions of acres of fertile soil that was the source of food to millions of species has been killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt.

More than 99.99% destruction of this planet has already happened.....Only the end of humans is yet to happen.

A society that has destroyed all the natural resources of the planet will also destroy itself.

After destroying biodiversity and ecosystems which sustained human life for millions of years man will not exist...It is only a matter of a few years now.
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When people fall sick they rush to the doctor to save themselves.

When people fall sick they rush to the hospital to save themselves.

When the earth is sick, when the earth is dying, our response should be the same....We should make all efforts to save biodiversity and ecosystems.

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Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Xanth on December 31, 2012, 00:15:23
sushil yadav,
You have a very destructive view of our planet... one might really have to ask you:  What keeps you here then?  Do you not see ANY beauty in our world worth, even the extreme remote chance, to save?


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on December 31, 2012, 02:03:40
sushil yadav,
You have a very destructive view of our planet...

I have a realistic view of the world.

It was the "Positive Thinking" and Optimistic attitude of Industrial Society which has led to the destruction of biodiversity and ecosystems......When you have such an attitude you keep moving in the wrong direction forever without rectifying your mistakes.

It was claimed that Science, Technology and Industrialization would solve all problems and bring paradise on earth, whereas the reality is Science, Technology and Industrialization have destroyed the entire planet.

All problems of Industrial Society are unsolvable because Industrialization itself is the cause of problems.....Exponential increase in environmental destruction, incidence of cancer, obesity and war/ violence.......Industrialization is the cause of all these problems.

It is important to understand why millions of people are trying to solve all these problems when they can never be solved.

Here is the answer - Billions of people who are not producing food in Industrial Society have to be kept engaged in some work or activity....People would go crazy without work....Therefore unnecessary, meaningless, futile and destructive jobs and professions are created by Industrial Society to keep the Urban Population occupied.

In Hunter_Gatherer Society the entire population was engaged in searching for food.....In Agrarian Society almost the entire population was engaged in producing food [hardly 1 - 2% of population was not producing food].

In Industrial Society 50% of world population is growing food for entire population.....The remaining 50% population is engaged in extra, destructive and unnecessary work....[In America only 5% of population is producing food, That is why America is the Mother of all unnecessary and destructive work in this world].

The population that does not produce food is engaged in Production and Marketing of thousands of consumer goods and services, Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex and All kinds of unnecessary research.

Millions of people are doing unnecessary, meaningless and futile research in Industrial Society in hundreds of fields.

Millions of people in Industrial Society are trying to save Environment which is not possible because Industrial Activity itself is the cause of large scale environmental destruction.

Millions of people in Industrial Society are trying to cure Obesity which is impossible because Obesity is a result of Industrialization.....A result of the switch over from physical work to mental work and easy availability of billions of tonnes of ready-made food.

Millions of people in Industrial Society are trying to cure Cancer which is not possible because Industrialization itself is the cause of cancer.....Industrial Activity has contaminated air, water and soil with billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous carcinogens.

Millions of people in Industrial Society are working with Peace Organizations trying to make the world peaceful.....This is an impossibility because Military Industrial Complex is promoting war and violence by producing and selling billions of tonnes of weapons all over the world.

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Hundreds of professions and millions of jobs have been created in the name of solving the problems of Industrial Society.

The solutions will of course never come because Industrialization itself is the cause of problems.

Millions of people are happy because they are getting jobs and salaries......Governments are happy because they can claim they are doing all they can to solve global problems.

Meanwhile the problems continue getting bigger and bigger day by day, moment by moment.

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Industrial Society has destroyed most of the biodiversity and ecosystems on earth.

Industrialization was the biggest crime on earth....The biggest act of killing, murder and terrorism on earth.

This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" Societies.

Hunter_Gatherer Society was sustainable.....Agrarian Society was sustainable.....The question of Industrial Society being sustainable doesn't arise.

We cannot save environment by destroying more of it.....We cannot save environment by destroying it for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.


Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Bedeekin on December 31, 2012, 09:14:37
A defeatist and pessimistic attitude does not a realistic view make.

Dude... your figures are leaning very far towards a glass half empty way of thinking and are very exaggerated to say the least.

For a start you are obviously happy to use a device that has been the culmination of human industrialisation and endeavour; the integrated circuit chip and internet.

You're also just listing off things and not particularly doing anything about it.

Read 'Revenge of Gia' by James Lovelock and 'Spontaneous Evolution' by Bruce Lipton. Both of these books outline the points you are making but instead of just wining and moaning about it they look at ways to improve our relationship with Mother Earth and with each other as a whole.

There is no point in what you are doing at the moment. At the moment you are the guy walking about on street corner wearing the double sided billboard with "THE END IS NIGH" printed on it.

A realistic view isn't shouting that the building is on fire and that we are all going to die... a realistic view is to be the one to lead everybody safely away from the fire. You aren't doing a very good job at the moment... we are all doing our thing rolling our eyes at the 'doom sayer' while the building could catch fire.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on December 31, 2012, 09:35:42
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When the US invaded Afghanistan it had boasted "We are going to smoke them out".

Ten years later , after trying out all permutations and combinations the "Coalition of Willing" is holding talks with the "Good Taliban" and desperately searching for the "Exit Door".

It is not easy to find solutions once you have created a mess.

The Afghanistan / Taliban problem is only a few decades old.....The problem of environmental destruction is millions of times bigger than the problem of Afghanistan.....Billions of people have travelled in the wrong direction for 250 years after Industrial Revolution destroying biodiversity and ecosystems moment by moment.


A person is being shot 100 times......Some people are supposed to save the victim.....They do nothing till 99 bullets have hit the victim.....When the last bullet is about to be fired they rush to save the victim, who is already dead by then.

Industrial Activity has been destroying Biodiversity and Ecosystems for 250 years.....Industrial Society should not have been started in the first place.....Once it came into existence its harmful impact on environment should have alerted people and they should have tried to stop Industrial Activity in the early stages.....If people had tried to stop Industrial Activity 50 years or even 100 years after it began, environment could have been saved because most of the environmental destruction has taken place in the last 50 - 100 years when the rate of Industrialization and Consumerism rose exponentially.....Trying to save environment after 250 years of Industrial Activity is like trying to revive a dead man.....There is hardly any environment left to save.
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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Bedeekin on December 31, 2012, 09:42:23
Have you seen RAMBO 3?

I watched that the other day. It's about John Rambo helping the Afghans fight off the Russian horde. There is a dedication at the end "This film is dedicated to the brave soldiers of the Mujahidin.

There's a totally ironic speech that the captured american commander (Trautman) gives to the head evil Russian commander...


Colonel Trautman: You expect sympathy? You started this damn war, now you'll have to deal with it.

Zaysen: And we will. It is just a matter of time before we achieve a complete victory.

Colonel Trautman: Yeah, well, there won't be a victory. Every day, your war machines lose ground to a bunch of poorly-armed, poorly-equipped freedom fighters. The fact is that you underestimated your competition. If you'd studied your history, you'd know that these people have never given up to anyone. They'd rather die than be slaves to an invading army. You can't defeat a people like that. We tried; we already had our Vietnam! Now you're gonna have yours.

I guess Bush didn't watch this one.  :-D


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: ChopstickFox on December 31, 2012, 16:25:57
oooh, got a little chill there xD


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Szaxx on December 31, 2012, 17:39:27
It may not be all that bad. I work with, er, wires. Years ago it was all profit. Today ALL the companies and large organisations absolutely insist on recycling and an absolute minimum of waste. This includes the carbon footprint and all.
However one professor has given freely a circuit that may change the way electricity is utilised in operations and generation.
Its NOT for profit and he insists this fact. With the correct environment it may be capable of powering itself indefinitely. A large unit that functions as required would help the atmosphere from zero emissions.
Its certainly his christmas gift to the world.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on January 02, 2013, 06:24:37
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Five Elephants were run over by a train in the state of Orissa in India yesterday.

One of them was a female in advanced stage of pregnancy whose foetus came out as the train hit the mother.

The world will celebrate one more New Year's Eve today......After torturing, slaughtering and decimating millions of species this world will celebrate yet another New Year today.
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After destroying planet Earth.....After destroying most of the biodiversity and ecosystems, Industrial Society should be in Mourning but it wants to Celebrate instead.

It wants to Celebrate Diwali, Christmas, New Year and Hundreds of other Festivals.

If Industrial Society had any shame there would have been no Celebrations in the past , no celebrations for the next thousands of years.....only Mourning.

Industrial Society has decimated millions of Animal Species, destroyed Forests, poisoned Rivers, Oceans, Soil and Sky with Billions of Tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste.

Industrial Society is a curse on this planet.

Celebrate!!!....Celebrate!!!....Celebrate!!!

Celebrate Diwali, Christmas, New Year and Hundreds of other Festivals!!!!.....Go Shopping.....Spend Money.....Buy Gifts....Buy thousands of consumer goods and services.....Promote and Accelerate Industrial Activity which will kill even more Biodiversity and Ecosystems.

And then wait for next year to celebrate the death of nature once more.
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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Lionheart on January 02, 2013, 06:34:46
 Here's a good question. What is YOUR sensible and logical solution to this problem?  :?

 We can't go on just complaining all the time. That would make matters even worse. It is counterproductive.

 So, what is YOUR solution to this problem.

 We are all ears here!  :wink:


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Bedeekin on January 02, 2013, 06:59:35
I tried to get him to come up with a solution... but I think it's easier for some to just complain about stuff.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Lionheart on January 02, 2013, 08:51:50
 A famous case in NDEs named Mellen-Thomas Benedict died of Cancer in a Hospital. About 45 minutes later he came back to life and spread his story. Part of that story was that in the last years before his NDE experience, he went around ranting and raving about how he thought Humanity was a Cancer and that that was the reason that he got Cancer himself.

 Just saying, negative thinking and thoughts bring about negative consequences. We can't change the past, but we can be responsible for our own future.  :-)


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Szaxx on January 02, 2013, 09:43:05

And with a big stick, he stirrs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vb9R0x_0NQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Self destruct pressed?


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on January 02, 2013, 13:44:03
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The solution has been known for millions of years.

The solution of the past is also the solution of the present.

The way to save environment today is the way it was saved for millions of years.

Millions of animal species saved environment for millions of years by destroying it only for food.

Hunter_Gatherer Society saved environment for about 1 million years by destroying it only for food.

Agrarian Society destroyed very little environment (compared to Industrial Society) for 10,000 years because it destroyed environment only for food, clothing and shelter.

Industrial Society has destroyed most of the biodiversity and ecosystems in just 250 years because it destroyed environment for thousands of consumer goods and services in addition to food, clothing and shelter.

It is crystal clear that Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services must be stopped for saving environment.

If a person is being stabbed repeatedly do we ask what is the solution for saving him???

If a person is being shot repeatedly do we ask what is the solution for saving him???

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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Szaxx on January 02, 2013, 14:41:36
When the eyes and ears notice nothing but themselves, the words given are as in a book. A book has no mind yet its words fall on the readers.
Some books are unread.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Bedeekin on January 02, 2013, 16:23:48
That's simplifying it.

If a person is being stabbed repeatedly by millions of people... should be closer to the truth.

If one person is getting stabbed repeatedly I would walk over to the stabber and break his wrists... then call for an ambulance.

But this is millions of people... millions.

Of course we know eat needs to be done.. it's getting people to do it that's the problem. Listing off a load of exaggerated facts will not get anything done.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Lionheart on January 03, 2013, 00:46:14
And with a big stick, he stirrs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vb9R0x_0NQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Self destruct pressed?
This is incredibly interesting Szaxx. thank you for this.

 In the mall this year I wanted to pay particular attention to people walking by. Every year for the past 10 years now, we have been in the mall for a month and a half at Christmas time to work our Kiosk. I usually see small changes in the way people act from year to year. This year it was huge changes.

 Most of the people we saw on a daily basis seemed to be "distracted". They seemed to be shopping because they "had" to, not because they "wanted" to.

 The younger teens and kids were always and I mean always on their cellphones. We would watch people that got a 5 minute cigarette break go out and the entire time they were talking on the phone.

 My neighbor beside our Kiosk, got a new phone for Christmas and almost lost her mind because she couldn't activate it fast enough.

 I saw this same reaction years ago when I tried to help a number of people that were addicted to Cocaine and Heroin.

 Is this the new drug? These people seem to need to get their fix. Even worse is, do the the cellphone companies know this? These people are so distracted they don't know or even see what's going on around them anymore. Are they hooked?

 Every year when MJ and I go to Amana Colonies, Iowa, we see a friend of ours that is a Beekeeper. Last year he had a couple of University researchers in the area undergoing studies on what is killing the bees in that area. They were looking at Pesticides or Herbicides as being the cause. But then found a number of areas where the farming community did not allow pesticides/herbicides and still the same problem with bees dying existed. This baffled them. But I never once heard of them saying the possible cause may be Cellphone Towers.

 Serious Research should be undergone on this immediately. But then again, I'm sure the real Truth would be suppressed or just like with the Oil fields and fracking, that they would say they weighed the pros and cons and found that we need the Cellphone towers too much.

 I watched a 3 hour show on Oil Fracking in North Dakota. They, the Oil Companies, realized they were digging into the Yellowstone Caldera (Super-Volcano), but said they weighed the pros and cons of that decision. I laughed because the pros were, we would have enough oil and the prices wouldn't go up. The cons were they would accidentally cause the Yellowstone Caldera to blow and the entire World would be in darkness for 10 years. Everything would die and be wiped out.

 I guess they could live with that though!  :roll:


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Szaxx on January 03, 2013, 09:21:00
This RF microwaves to the brain has always been a concern to me. I have papers in this field and have NEVER accepted continuous use of cellphones as safe. I have had radiation burns on one occasion from a transmitter which looked identical to those from a radio active compound. Taking the appropriate steps via professional advice everything cleared successfully. My exposure time was less than one second.
Accidents do happen...
My cell phone has all external leads fitted with a RF filter. These are clup on units like those found on computer cables. These are required by law to pass worldwide emission directives.
The bee problem has the possibility of global food shortages and this itself dictates severe problems.
Makes one think...


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Stookie_ on January 03, 2013, 16:46:29
I don't think people are necessarily addicted to phones, but addicted to being fed media and gossip all the time. People's minds are never still, and as the number of sources of entertainment and media goes up, the more people's minds race to those things whenever they get a small moment. I also think that many people are very afraid of being alone, which is another reason people stay constantly "connected".

If I don't turn my wi-fi off before I go to bed, I won't sleep very deep and have nonsensical, random, cyclical dreams all night that drive me mad. I had my wi-fi for about 6 months before I figured it out - they stopped as soon as I began killing my modem before bed. I did research on it and couldn't find anything. Over the holidays I was staying at someone else's house and their wi-fi (which was close to my bed) did the same thing. I keep in mind it may just be in my head, because I can't come across anyone else who's reported a similar issue.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Szaxx on January 03, 2013, 17:50:23
A general question.
Has anyone using a phone with headphones for music etc. on a long term daily basis ever had a headache, you may find short term memory also affected?
Its something that occured and a thought didn't take long for the attachment of the filter. Not had a headache since.
Nothing else was different from the norm apart from the new smart phone.
It may be related. It cost a packet and its never left anywhere, unlike the previous basic one.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Astralzombie on February 08, 2013, 18:32:43
A general question.
Has anyone using a phone with headphones for music etc. on a long term daily basis ever had a headache, you may find short term memory also affected?
Its something that occured and a thought didn't take long for the attachment of the filter. Not had a headache since.
Nothing else was different from the norm apart from the new smart phone.
It may be related. It cost a packet and its never left anywhere, unlike the previous basic one.


I've been suffering from migraine headaches since I was 10. I'm 34 now. But i did actually notice a decrease in their severity but not in their frequency when I use a cell often. I'm not a big talker on the phone but It's hard to get around.
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Emotions and technology aside, the premise of this idea was/is destined to fail. Man has evolved to only react to immediate threats. Sure we can recognize long term dangers and even take some action but the need to deal with the T-REX lurking outside the cave has to be dealt with now or tomorrow won't matter.

The problem is that there is always another T-REX to deal with. This need has served us so well that it has to be considered as a evolutionary trait.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: ChopstickFox on February 09, 2013, 03:50:20
People get irritated that I don't use my phone a lot. When I worked, unless I was making a call, my phone was off. Now everyone's into those smart phones and data plans... I dun wanna be a zombie!!!

My cousin has the same thing happen with wireless routers. Him and my aunt keep everything off unless they're using it and my Aunt doesn't even want anything to do with computers. I'm guilty of my computer... I likes it. :(


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on March 26, 2013, 17:56:44
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Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Environment has been destroyed by Urban Population, Urban Work and Urban Education.

All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Urban Population and Urban Education.

Industrial Activity has destroyed so much environment in 250 years that there is hardly any environment left to save.

Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately....Millions of other species get only food from earth....The maximum that man can/ should get is food, clothing and shelter....Urban Dwellers have to either transform into full time food producers or they have to stop working.

Billions of animals are being slaughtered in Industrial Slaughter Houses every day.....Billions of fish are being killed by Industrial Fishing every day....Millions of acres of Forests are being destroyed by Industrial Activity every day....Millions of wild animals in forests are being killed by Industrial Activity every day.....Millions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste is being added to environment every day....Millions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste and eWaste are being added to environment every day.... Millions of acres of Fertile Soil is being killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt every day....Nuclear Industry has produced millions of tonnes of Nuclear Waste which will keep contaminating the planet with hazardous radioactivity for the next thousands of years.

Progress, Growth, Development.

This is terminology for all unnecessary and destructive work being done by Urban Population.

Growth Rate  -  Economy Rate  -  GDP.

These are figures for all unnecessary and destructive work being done by Urban Population.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.


If Urban Society stops all its supplies to Villages......electricity, oil, machinery, equipment and consumer goods, Villagers will survive forever.

If Villages stop all their supplies to Cities......Food Grains and Vegetables, Urban Population will die within a month.

[ Villagers need Electricity, Oil, Machinery and Equipment to produce food for the Urban Population , They would not need these things to produce food for themselves]

Urban Work is not only dispensable it is highly injurious to planet earth.

Two centuries of Urban Work after industrialization has destroyed most of the biodiversity and ecosystems on earth.

Urban Work must stop immediately.

Cities, Urban Dwellers, Urban Work and Urban Education are a curse on this planet.

Urban Dwellers are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

Urban Dwellers are serial killers of nature....Serial Killers of Animals, Trees, Air, Water and Land.

If consumer goods are eliminated from cities people will not die....If food and water are eliminated from cities people will die.

*Growth Rate* - *Economy Rate* - *GDP*
These are figures of "Ecocide".
These are figures of "crimes against Nature".
These are figures of "destruction of Ecosystems".
These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".

Urban Population is a curse on this planet....Urban Dwellers are a curse on this planet.

Urban Population has destroyed necessary things [Animals, trees, Air, Water and Land] for making unnecessary things [Consumer Goods and Services]

Food, clothing and shelter are necessities, Not thousands of consumer goods and services.

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For millions of years "Searching For Food" / "Producing Food" were the primary occupations of almost the entire human population in Hunter_Gatherer and Agrarian Society.

There is Zero chance of saving the little environment that is left on earth without fixing the problem of "Urban Population".

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All Urban Dwellers are Eco Killers.....Adults as well as Children.

Urban Adults are already destroying environment by running Industrial Activity for production and marketing of thousands of consumer goods and services......Children are being groomed to do the same in future through Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education.

School and University Education has destroyed environment....All Industrial Activity is being run by Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education.


Everything in Cities is destructive in nature......Urban Dwellers, Urban Work, Urban Education.....Everything.

Environment has been destroyed by Urban Dwellers, Urban Work and Urban Education.

The source / cause of all Industrial Activity is Urban Population, Urban Work and Education.

**Urban population trying to save environment is like Petrol trying to extinguish a fire.**

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Rural Population of this world is doing work.....Urban Population of this world is doing destructive work.

Rural Population is producing food......Urban Population is producing thousands of consumer goods and services.

Since Urban Population is not producing food, it has created thousands of unnecessary professions to keep itself occupied [People would go crazy without work]....Destructive works and professions of Urban Dwellers include Production of consumer goods and services, Marketing of consumer goods and services, Jobs in Tourism Industry, Entertainment Industry, Sports Industry, Military Industrial Complex, All kinds of unnecessary research and jobs in hundreds of other fields.

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Why should rest of the world suffer for the decadent and destructive lifestyle of Urban Dwellers????

Why should Forests be destroyed for the Industrial Projects of Urban Dwellers????

Why should Animals and Trees die for the Industrial Projects of Urban Dwellers????

Why should Villages and Tribal Land be destroyed for the Industrial Projects of Urban Dwellers????

Why should Rivers, Lakes and Oceans be destroyed for the Industrial Projects of Urban Dwellers????

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There are millions of species on earth, Not just man alone.

Millions of other species get only food from earth.

The maximum that man can/ should get is food, clothing and shelter.

Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately.

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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Wi11iam on April 07, 2013, 08:30:45
I don't think so although I understand why this is often thought to be the case.

It is complex - I do not think industry need destroy the mind or environment - it could and is just as easily used to create and enhance.

We are heading in this general direction...

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_integral_philosophy/our_future_in_the_physical_universe-t40012.0.html


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on April 20, 2013, 13:12:57
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The most dangerous and destructive industry in this world is Education Industry.

Education Industry is the source of all Industrial Activity that has destroyed environment....All other industries are by products of Education Industry.

Universities and Colleges are producing millions of Scientists, Engineers, Economists, MBA's, Business and Finance Graduates who are running and promoting all Industrial Activity in this world.


Education Industry is the Mother of all Industries.

Education Industry is the Mother of all Environmental Destruction.

All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education.

Education has destroyed environment.

School and University Education has destroyed environment.

Educated People are the biggest Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

Schools and Universities must be closed down.....Immediately!!!

Billions of animals are being slaughtered in Industrial Slaughter Houses every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Industrial Farming of animals, Industrial Slaughter Houses, Refrigeration/ Transportation Industry which transports live and dead animals all over the world and Marketing Industry which sells meat.

Billions of fish are being killed by Industrial Fishing every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Industrial Ships which catch fish, Refrigeration/ Transportation Industry which transports fish all over the world and Marketing Industry which sells fish.

Millions of acres of Forests are being destroyed by Industrial Activity every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Marketing Industry, Construction Industry, Transportation Industry, Oil Drilling and Refining Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road networks which are destroying forests moment by moment.

Millions of wild animals in forests are being killed by Industrial Activity every day because of Education....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for the decimation of wild animals.

Millions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste is being added to environment every day because of Education.....Millions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste and eWaste are being added to environment every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for the poisoning of Rivers, Oceans, Land and Sky/ Atmosphere.

Millions of acres of Fertile Soil is being killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt every day because of Education....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for destruction of fertile soil by Construction Industry.

Education is responsible for millions of tonnes of Nuclear Waste produced by Nuclear Industry which will keep contaminating the planet with hazardous radioactivity for the next thousands of years.....This radioactivity will remain a potential source of cancer, death, multiple organ failures, physical and mental deformities for thousands of years....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Radioactivity produced by Nuclear Industry.

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Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.

Environment has been destroyed by Urban Population, Urban Work and Urban Education.

All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Urban Population and Urban Education.



Animal Species searched for Food

Hunter_Gatherer Society searched for Food

Agrarian Society produced Food

Rural Industrial Society is producing Food

Urban Industrial Society is producing Thousands of Consumer Goods and Services.

Urban Industrial Society is the Anomaly.
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The work of Urban Industrial Society is Extra, Unnecessary and Destructive.

Urban Work has destroyed environment.....Urban Work must stop immediately.

Production of Industrial Consumer Goods must stop immediately.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

That is the worth of Urban Work in this world.


Environment has been destroyed by Urban Population, Urban Work and Urban Education.

All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Urban Population and Urban Education.

If Urban Society stops all its supplies to Villages......electricity, oil, machinery, equipment and consumer goods, Villagers will survive forever.

If Villages stop all their supplies to Cities......Food Grains and Vegetables, Urban Population will die within a month.

[ Villagers need Electricity, Oil, Machinery and Equipment to produce food for the Urban Population , They would not need these things to produce food for themselves]

Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately....Millions of other species get only food from earth....The maximum that man can/ should get is food, clothing and shelter.

This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" societies....For millions of years "searching for food"/ "producing food" was the primary occupation on earth.

The whole society needs to be reorganized...Urban Dwellers have to be relocated in Rural Areas....Urban Dwellers have to either transform into full time food producers or they have to stop working in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work....They can be given food for free in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work.

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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Astralzombie on April 20, 2013, 18:46:25
The sentiments expressed here sound eerily close to Ted Kazinzky's magnus opus. You know, the unabomber.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Wi11iam on April 20, 2013, 22:30:47
Eventually nature will remove the earth from existence. 

While it is a better option as a whole specie to preserve that which nourishes and provides for the sustenance and survival of the body,  our education as said specie has traveled a particular path which has unfolded in the manner that it has and that path does not look good for the bulk of human beings as we consume our way through the resources.

However, consciousness works with what it has and there is every reason to understand that it will continue regardless of human consumerism.



Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on June 05, 2013, 05:32:39
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After torturing, slaughtering and decimating millions of species on earth humans call themselves the Most Superior Species.

Height of Insanity.....Insanity raised to the power of Infinity.

If millions of other species could vote, man would not get even a single vote for "Most Superior Species" but millions of votes for "Most Inferior Species".

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Millions in this world have died for trivial reasons.

Millions in this world have killed for trivial reasons.

Millions have died and killed for Family, Honour, Country, Religion, Money, Fame and Possessions.

Only a handful have died for environment without which Family, Honour, Country, Religion, Money, Fame and Possessions will not even exist.

Only a handful have killed for environment without which Family, Honour, Country, Religion, Money, Fame and Possessions will not even exist.

The planet is dying.....It is gasping for last breath.

Radical Actions are needed.

Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

Do it Now.

A few years later would be too late.
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**Oath of Environmentalists in Industrial Society**

Violence is Wrong....Violence is Unacceptable.

We will not indulge in violence to save environment.

We are willing to participate in violence against nature but not against man.

Violence against nature is okay, violence against man is not.

We are willing to witness the Torture, Slaughter and Decimation of millions of other species but not violence against man.

We are willing to witness the destruction of environment till the time there is no environment left on earth but we will not tolerate violence against People and Institutions that are destroying the environment moment by moment.
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People who think they are Non Violent are highly mistaken.

No one is Non Violent in Industrial Society.

Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

Industrial Society has killed billions of farm animals in Slaughter Houses and billions of wild animals in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of animals.

Industrial Society has killed billions of Trees in forests with Industrial Activity for making consumer goods and services.....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita killing of Trees.

Industrial Activity has produced billions of tonnes of solid, liquid and gaseous Industrial Waste.....This waste has polluted and poisoned air, water and soil....If we divide this number by total Industrial population we get per capita waste which is a measure of per capita killing of air, water and soil.

Every citizen of Industrial Society is a Serial Killer.....Serial Killer of nature.....Serial Killer of animals, trees, air, water and land.

Even those amongst us who are living very simple lives are still using at least some consumer goods and services whose production and use destroys nature directly or indirectly.
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** No punishment for the biggest crime on earth???? **

** No punishment for the crime which is billions of times bigger than the next biggest crime on earth???? **

** No punishment for the torture, slaughter and decimation of millions of species????.....No punishment for destruction of most of the biodiversity and ecosystems on earth???? **

Promoters of Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are the biggest killers, murderers and terrorists on earth.

No punishment for the People and Institutions that have destroyed the planet in the name of Progress, Growth and Development???

No punishment for poisoning the planet with trillions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste???

No punishment for killing billions of acres of fertile soil [that was the source of food to millions of species] with Cement, Concrete and Asphalt???

No punishment for decimating fish in the oceans????.....No punishment for turning oceans acidic and warmer????.....No punishment for creating oxygen deprived dead zones in the oceans???

This planet belonged to millions of species, not just man alone.

Man has taken over the entire planet....The Land, The Sky, The Oceans.

Promoters of Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are the biggest killers, murderers and terrorists on earth.

No punishment for the People and Institutions that have destroyed the planet in the name of Progress, Growth and Development???
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This planet can only sustain "Food Searching" or "Food Producing" societies....For millions of years "searching for food"/ "producing food" was the primary occupation on earth.

The whole society needs to be reorganized...Urban Dwellers have to be relocated in Rural Areas....Urban Dwellers have to either transform into full time food producers or they have to stop working in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work....They can be given food for free in order to save the remaining environment from destructive Urban Work.
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A pure non-industrial society is not possible now because Industrialization has increased world population to 7 billion.......World population increased from 1 billion in 1800 to 7 billion in just about 200 years after industrialization.......In the absence of industrialization world population would have been less than 2 billion today.

If we want to save the remaining environment we must minimize the things that are destroying environment.

At present we are destroying environment for Food, Clothing, Shelter plus Thousands of Industrial consumer goods and services.

We must eliminate the things that were added last to the list......which means Thousands of consumer goods and services, most of which have existed for only about 100 years out of Hundreds of Thousands of years of Total Human Existence on earth .........these have to be eliminated.

We are approaching Environmental Apocalypse.......The only way to save the remaining environment is by stopping Industrial Activity for production of consumer goods and services immediately........Industrial Activity must be primarily limited to food, clothing and shelter.......and even in these three fields production and consumption must be kept to the minimum.

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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Lionheart on June 05, 2013, 06:01:04
 You have come on with this rant many times in the past here.

 Tell us something, we don't already know!

 Unfortunately your ranting on Forums isn't going to change it. This is one of those topics that most people turn a blind eye too, simply because they don't think they could make a difference, even if they tried. I know it's a shame, but that's the unfortunate truth!  :cry:

 But just being "aware" of it doesn't seem to change it.
 
 The only thing we can do right now, is to live our lives the best we can and work towards lowering our entropy. By doing that change will occur one person at a time.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Wi11iam on June 05, 2013, 18:10:32
Entropy = disorder of sorts associated with unavailable energy in a closed thermodynamic system.
"Lowering Our Entropy" = learning how to maintain order regardless of unavailable energy in a closed thermodynamic system.



Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Astralzombie on June 06, 2013, 02:14:08
Entropy = disorder of sorts associated with unavailable energy in a closed thermodynamic system.
"Lowering Our Entropy" = learning how to maintain order regardless of unavailable energy in a closed thermodynamic system.



A for effort but f for displaying ineptitude for the context.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Wi11iam on June 06, 2013, 09:54:54
 8-)


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on June 16, 2013, 17:52:19
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Industrial Nations are used to threatening their adversaries with Military Might and Nuclear Weapons.

How are they going to deal with Climate which is getting more and more extreme day by day???

Are they going to nuke Hurricanes and Tornadoes too???

Are they going to nuke Droughts and Floods too???

The west used to think droughts and floods are problems of Asia, Africa and poor countries of the world....They are now occurring in the west too.

The day is not far when Agriculture will collapse worldwide due to extreme and irregular weather.

What is man going to eat???.....He has already decimated fish in the oceans.
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Industrial Society is a lunatic society which talks about Justice, Welfare, Morality and Equality after torturing, slaughtering and decimating millions of species and destroying Forests, Rivers and Oceans.
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Jobs or Environment???

Economy or Environment???

This is just unbelievable.....The very fact that man needs to debate this issue shows how insane Industrial Society is.

Without environment man will not even exist.

Jobs have destroyed Environment....Urban Jobs have destroyed Environment.

Economy has destroyed Environment....Millions of other species don't need an economy to live on earth....Human species is the only lunatic one which thinks it needs one.

Endless Discussion, Debate and Argument is a disease and insanity of Industrial Society that invented the Printing Press, Radio, Television and Internet.

Billions of pages of discussion is another harmful waste of Industrial Society just like Billions of Tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous Waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.
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Industrial Society is a lunatic society that takes pride in keeping its cities clean but is not ashamed of littering the entire planet with Industrial Waste.

The entire planet has turned into a Landfill, Garbage Dump, Toxic Dump.

Rivers, Lakes, Oceans, Atmosphere and Land have been polluted, poisoned and contaminated with billions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical Waste, Gaseous waste, eWaste and Nuclear Waste.

Industrial Activity produces three kinds of Industrial Waste......Solid, Liquid and Gaseous......There are only three places on earth where this waste can go - Air, Water and Soil.....There is no fourth place on earth where it can go.....All Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste that has been produced by Industrial Society in 250 years after Industrial Revolution has accumulated on earth....It has not gone out of earth.
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Stop Education......Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.......Close Down the Cities.
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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Szaxx on June 16, 2013, 21:13:27
How about stop the wallowing in misery and solve the problem.
You see the problem and passionately too. Use this mindset to find a resolution. Initiate an eco friendly solution to the main Earth intoxicant.
A clever mind will do this. Then its who you know that counts.
Be the one doing not the one complaining.
You have a voice.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on June 21, 2013, 17:48:36
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The recent Floods and Land Slides in Uttarakhand in India are more of an Industrial Disaster than a Natural Disaster.

This catastrophe is a consequence of World Bank funded Dam Industry.....Hundreds of Dams and Hydro Electric Projects are being constructed in the fragile mountain range.

This calamity is a consequence of unchecked activities of Construction Industry, Logging Industry, Mining Industry and Tourism Industry.

**Development is Destruction.....Development is Destruction.**

**Growth Rate** - **Economy Rate** - **GDP**....These are figures of Ecocide....These are figures of "Crimes against Nature"....These are figures of "Destruction of Ecosystems".....These are figures of "Insanity, Abnormality and Criminality".

Politicians who promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

Economists who promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

IMF and World Bank which promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

Rating Agencies which promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

Industrialists who promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

All people and Institutions that promote Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP are Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.
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Industrial Nations are used to threatening their adversaries with Military Might and Nuclear Weapons.

How are they going to deal with Climate which is getting more and more extreme day by day???

Are they going to nuke Hurricanes and Tornadoes too???

Are they going to nuke Droughts and Floods too???

The west used to think droughts and floods are problems of Asia, Africa and poor countries of the world....They are now occurring in the west too.

The day is not far when Agriculture will collapse worldwide due to extreme and irregular weather.

What is man going to eat???.....He has already decimated fish in the oceans.
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Progress, Growth, Development.....This is terminology for all unnecessary and destructive work being done by Urban Population.

Growth Rate - Economy Rate - GDP......These are figures for all unnecessary and destructive work being done by Urban Population.

If Urban Society stops its supplies to Rural Society it will live forever.

If Rural Society stops its supplies to Urban Society it will die within a month.

That is the worth of Urban Work, Consumer Goods, Growth Rate, Economy Rate and GDP in this world.
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Industrial Activity for production of thousands of consumer goods and services must stop immediately.
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Cities are the Graveyards of Nature, Urban Dwellers the Executioners.
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Stop Education.....Close Down Universities.

Stop Urban Work.....Close Down the Cities.

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Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Szaxx on June 21, 2013, 20:26:55
Tell me about the American flood coming tomorrow. Whos to blame and what do you propose to action in favour of an overthrow?


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Astralzombie on June 21, 2013, 21:25:26
I sometimes wonder if this guy is on the verge of cracking. These ramblings are eerily similar to Ted Kazinsky's magnum opus. He never addresses any comments or questions and just rewrites the same stuff with a recent catastrophe addressed as proof of something.

Anybody that preaches ignorance and keeping the masses uneducated always has a sinister goal in mind and it is NEVER for the good of the people.

Not to mention, Hitler, Pol-Pot, and Stalin all had the same doctrine to keeping the people ignorant.

This forum has some of the most free-thinking minds that I have ever had the privilege to talk to and telling us that ignorance is the way to a better world is about as worthless as lipstick on a pig. You are akin to a troll without a clue.



Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Szaxx on June 21, 2013, 22:21:10
The plan of old disasters and rambling is obvious. I thought of one coming up thats not been rambled on. The clever idea is , if he/ she knows the reason maybe they can prevent one from occurring in the first place given a rough time, location and event.lol.


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Astralzombie on June 22, 2013, 07:10:57
I thought of one coming up thats not been rambled on.

I saw where you mentioned that and I am intrigued. Perhaps you could send me a private message and tell me of the event? Only


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: sushil yadav on June 23, 2013, 18:26:39
I sometimes wonder if this guy is on the verge of cracking. These ramblings are eerily similar to Ted Kazinsky's magnum opus. He never addresses any comments or questions and just rewrites the same stuff with a recent catastrophe addressed as proof of something.

Anybody that preaches ignorance and keeping the masses uneducated always has a sinister goal in mind and it is NEVER for the good of the people.

Not to mention, Hitler, Pol-Pot, and Stalin all had the same doctrine to keeping the people ignorant.

This forum has some of the most free-thinking minds that I have ever had the privilege to talk to and telling us that ignorance is the way to a better world is about as worthless as lipstick on a pig. You are akin to a troll without a clue.

Who never addresses any comments or questions , genius???

You should read the thread carefully before posting silly comments.

Why Industrial Education is bad for environment has already been discussed in this thread.

Ever heard of spiritual education???.....Ever heard of methods and techniques for making the mind peaceful???

Of course you would not know about it.....You only know reason, discussion, debate, argument, pleasure and entertainment.

India spent thousands of years of time on spiritual education....It developed the fields of yoga, meditation and pranayam to make the mind thoughtless, quiet, tranquil and peaceful.

Reason based society and material development has destroyed biodiversity and ecosystems on earth....If any kind of development was needed it was spiritual development.

Eat, Drink and make Merry .....while the planet burns.

Biodiversity and Ecosystems are on the verge of collapse and there are people who are just not bothered.
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The most dangerous and destructive industry in this world is Education Industry.

Education Industry is the source of all Industrial Activity that has destroyed environment....All other industries are by products of Education Industry.

Universities and Colleges are producing millions of Scientists, Engineers, Economists, MBA's, Business and Finance Graduates who are running and promoting all Industrial Activity in this world.


Education Industry is the Mother of all Industries.

Education Industry is the Mother of all Environmental Destruction.

All Industrial Activity that is destroying environment is being run by Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education.

Education has destroyed environment.

School and University Education has destroyed environment.

Educated People are the biggest Eco Killers, Eco Murderers and Eco Terrorists.

Schools and Universities must be closed down.....Immediately!!!

Billions of animals are being slaughtered in Industrial Slaughter Houses every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Industrial Farming of animals, Industrial Slaughter Houses, Refrigeration/ Transportation Industry which transports live and dead animals all over the world and Marketing Industry which sells meat.

Billions of fish are being killed by Industrial Fishing every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Industrial Ships which catch fish, Refrigeration/ Transportation Industry which transports fish all over the world and Marketing Industry which sells fish.

Millions of acres of Forests are being destroyed by Industrial Activity every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Mining Industry, Logging Industry, Energy Generation Industry, Manufacturing Industry, Marketing Industry, Construction Industry, Transportation Industry, Oil Drilling and Refining Industry, Millions of kilometers of Rail and Road networks which are destroying forests moment by moment.

Millions of wild animals in forests are being killed by Industrial Activity every day because of Education....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for the decimation of wild animals.

Millions of tonnes of Solid, Liquid and Gaseous Industrial Waste is being added to environment every day because of Education.....Millions of tonnes of Metal Waste, Plastic Waste, Chemical waste, Gaseous Waste and eWaste are being added to environment every day because of Education.....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for the poisoning of Rivers, Oceans, Land and Sky/ Atmosphere.

Millions of acres of Fertile Soil is being killed by Cement, Concrete and Asphalt every day because of Education....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for destruction of fertile soil by Construction Industry.

Education is responsible for millions of tonnes of Nuclear Waste produced by Nuclear Industry which will keep contaminating the planet with hazardous radioactivity for the next thousands of years.....This radioactivity will remain a potential source of cancer, death, multiple organ failures, physical and mental deformities for thousands of years....Scientific, Technological, Industrial, Business and Financial Education is responsible for Radioactivity produced by Nuclear Industry.



Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Lionheart on June 23, 2013, 23:19:12
Biodiversity and Ecosystems are on the verge of collapse and there are people who are just not bothered.
Because they are too busy living and making the best out of what they currently have.

 It's one thing to realize and be aware that there is a problem, but it becomes detrimental to your own Spiritual Development when you become fixated on it, a kin to an obsession.

 I believe that the "Collective Consciousness" as a whole is handling these problems as we speak.

 I have seen many things that could have happened and should have happened already, but for some reason every time we get a threat, it just mysteriously goes away.

 This has showed me that indeed "someone" is watching over us!  :-)

 


Title: Re: Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment
Post by: Astralzombie on June 24, 2013, 03:59:53
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Why Industrial Education is bad for environment has already been discussed in this thread.
That is an understatement if ever there was one. However, one ma's opinion has never equated to fact in any case.

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Ever heard of spiritual education???.....Ever heard of methods and techniques for making the mind peaceful???

No I haven't heard of it but it sounds interesting. Can I buy some at Wal-Mart or the Gap?

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Of course you would not know about it.....You only know reason, discussion, debate, argument, pleasure and entertainment.

I am struggling to understand how being reasonable and having the ability to discuss and debate issues with others is somehow negative. Oh wait, I apologize. Half of your ramblings are about keeping people ignorant so that you won't have to argue your delusions with intelligent people.

Since some people have to be formally educated so that they can research all the woes of the Earth and form a plan to reverse this critical point of no return, who gets to decide who receives the education? You, perhaps? :?

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Biodiversity and Ecosystems are on the verge of collapse and there are people who are just not bothered.

Just because I am critical of your overly zealous agenda and conclusions does not mean that I don't care about some of your concerns. There are other beneficial practices that one can participate in besides just make disturbing posts all over the internet.

I can appreciate your passion for saving the Earth's environment and still be at odds with your tactics without being some sort of environmental wreck.