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Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: David Warner on September 24, 2005, 00:55:18
Mods - would it be possible for you to post this in the perm topic section. Alot of people have been asking me about this method and it might help those out.

Thank You,

Tvos

For the last two months now, I've been using binaural beats from the brain wave generator web site www.bwgen.com to assist with astral projection. So far, I've not seen any results except that I'm put down into a deep rest-full sleep. However, the mental programming and audio listening to the binaural beats could possibly help for future development.

Night after night, I kept the repetitive cycle of falling asleep, not getting anywhere with this method. I've tried setting the alarm clock 20mins after when the binaural music stops to awake me.

What I did figure out is this.

Alarm Clock Technique

1. Music is too relaxing and hypnotic which puts me to a deep sleep.

2. If I set the alarm to go off different times, the music doesn't well
to awaken.

3. Its best to use a sound that is annoying that will wake you up.

4. Set the alarm clock first to go off 30mins when you start to sleep.

5. Set the alarm clock after that 22mins, 30mins, 15mins, 37mins.
Break up the pattern. This will fool your mental mind and off-set your
physical sleep pattern.

6. Make sure that you allow the alarm clock to continuously sound. Do not
allow the option for snooze. Otherwise, you will more likely fall asleep.

7. When you exercise the motion of falling asleep then awaken to the
alarm clock. Imagine you are curled up into a little ball, or pretend
that your a log. Feel, visualize, sense and start moving in a spinning
or rolling motion.

8. While your physical is falling to sleep, you are keeping your mind active
and aware. Usually, about the time your body falls to sleep is the point
where the vibrations occur. You can distinctly tell off in the distance
that the vibrations will be far away. Pull them closer which will start to
increase. Note: Although this you are still exercising rolling and
spinning around.

9. When the vibrations hit a certain level of comfort, it is now time to exit.

10. The method that I've used time and time again is just to roll right off
the bed and onto the bed to separate from the physical. Sometimes, I
just spin quickly and outward float.

11. Once you are out of body, the best thing to do is get far away as
possibly and keep moving.

The important thing about this technique is that it will require patience, incredible will power. It might sound easy to do but takes great strength to awake during the night at random times.


Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: David Warner on September 28, 2005, 02:53:30
Ap friends,

So far for the last few days now, this alarm clock method has been working wonders. What I notice is that when I set the alarm clock to go off after 30mins, and then wait about 15mins later the physical body is tired. This is the best time to hit the trance state.

Feel free to email me if you've question.

Hope this helps.

Tvos


Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: Selski on September 29, 2005, 13:13:07
As requested, I've moved this to the Permanent Section.

Any members who have had success with this method, please post your experiences on this thread to "get it going" and give it extra credence.

Thanks!

Sarah


Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: kiwibonga on April 27, 2006, 09:34:49
I just noticed this topic, I can't believe I missed it!

I've created a program that rings during the night: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=22822

The idea is similar to what TVOS said -- the state you are in when you wake up and still need to sleep is basically the best state to plunge back into trance and become aware of the "second body."

The program rings for a set amount of time so that you absolutely do not need to move in order to turn off the alarm... You just wait for it to stop ringing, and you're ready to give it a go.

So far, every time the ring has woken me up (and that's about 5 to 10 times every night), I have managed to remember a dream. Some dreams were vivid, others were mainly "garbage thoughts" -- i.e. different images that don't seem connected in any way.

I don't know if there have been any follow ups on this technique outside of this topic... TVOS, do you still do experiments with alarm clocks?

I have not yet had a successful projection with this technique, but I did mention in the thread I linked to above that this has "muscled" my awareness, and allowed me to remain in trance for about 30 minutes the other day with both the dream mind and the physical mind active (actually, it lasted exactly from one ring to the next).

Just yesterday, I woke up to an alarm and decided to try the rope technique... I was sleeping on my side, yet I had this feeling that I was looking towards the ceiling. When I started to pull on the rope, it felt as though the rope was being pulled upwards. I separated briefly and as soon as it happened, I "crashed" back into my body -- I got excited again! Further attempts were unsuccessful, I was waiting for that unexpected pull to happen again but it just wouldn't happen, so I went back to sleep.

I am off to try it some more... Unfortunately, the past two days have not given much results... I had a really difficult time falling asleep (took almost a full hour). I think the excitement created by this 30-minute trance has hindered my ability to stay calm and composed... The rope episode from last night was encouraging, but still a bit disappointing.


Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: David Warner on April 28, 2006, 02:07:02
Kiwibonga,

Hey thanks for the free program download and the hard work. I will definitely have to check it out.

To answer your question "if I still perform the alarm clock method" it would be yes and no. I don't practice this as a ritual everyday, otherwise I would be a walking zombie. Its a tough gig to wake oneself up to a alarm clock getting ready to start the day vs. interrupting your sleep to
project. I do this on occasion and might look into this further for training. I think the discipline behind it people will benefit from this in the future with projecting and make it easier.

What I've also noticed is not just with this alarm clock technique. If the night before I am worried because of a test, result, life crisis, upset, or worried it will be difficult for me to sleep. This will then trigger excellent opportunities for projections. Your mind is worried, alert but your body is wanting to sleep. Mix that into trance OBE's.

Hopefully that helps!

Tvos


Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: kiwibonga on April 28, 2006, 03:25:43
Yes, as a matter of fact my first conscious (and rather spontaneous) series of projections happened during a very busy week at university -- I had assignments left and right, not to mention the deadline for one of my freelance translation jobs coming rapidly... I had to take afternoon naps and set up a draconian sleep and work schedule in order to do everything on time..

I think there's definitely something about wanting to wake up that triggers some kind of reflex to get out there... I have experienced similar false awakening episodes in the bus or train, I would doze off and dream that I was getting off the bus/train... This is pretty much what I based my "research" on for the techniques I recommend (namely the arm trick and the alarm clock program) -- along with the intent to remain alert, there needs to be outside interference, a wake up call of some kind...

I've also noted something regarding my use of the program -- it's very important to change the pitch of the ring every other night ; today I set up 1 ring every 30 minutes for a 4 hour nap and did not get woken up by any of them besides the first one. I suspect that my brain has gotten used to the sound and acknowledged it as "background noise" ; I recall several of the alarms but they did not make me alert at all, my mind just went "oh, it's just the alarms I set up" and went immediately back to sleep. I have been using the same 2500Hz sound since I began the experiment 4 days ago... I'll lower the frequency to 1000Hz but make the sound longer (I noticed frequencies below 1500Hz don't seem to make me alert until the 20th ring or so)...

I have no dream memories either, since I did not get to wake up and play them back before attempting to project -- heck, I did not even get to attempt a projection.

If this proves to be too much of a problem, I'll make the program generate new tones randomly, and perhaps, as you suggested, with a certain "margin of error" on the interval between rings (randomly add or remove +/- 10 minutes each time). I am not sure how effective random patterns would be -- would they have a tendency to startle and hence "spoil" the experiment, or do they guarantee that the ring works every time? -- it's worth experimenting.

Will post more results soon!


Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: mactombs on April 28, 2006, 04:42:56
A while back, cube did a lot of work with this. He used to post pretty regularly before he got his own site. He even made a program for this purpose that works quite well. His page is at:

http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/chat-forum/viewTopic.jsp?t=rhythm-napping

Like I said, he's put a lot of work into this particular method - and it probably is the most "fail-safe" method I can think of.


Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: kiwibonga on April 28, 2006, 12:07:53
Ah, that's great!

I'll try his timer next time.

Last night was a failure... I ended up not using 1000Hz as the frequency, I used 3000, which sounds exactly like a smoke detector! That stuff really wakes you up!

I did experience very strong vibrations halfway through the night, but my concentration eventually broke... Better luck next time, I guess.


Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: David Warner on April 29, 2006, 06:08:53
kiwibonga,

funny you should bring this topic up - just this morning I had a false awakening setting the alarm clock in the rtz astral. didn't even register when I awakened to find the clock still not set...:)

i finally getting thru my dry spell and the experiences are coming back.

the alarm clock method has been mentioned before by many projectionists in the past. so this is nothing new, but I think what makes it different is that using computers, pocket pc and setting at random times to awaken to music, noise, loud buzzing sounds...

tvos


Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: kiwibonga on May 22, 2006, 01:49:39
To follow up on this, I've awakened something in me from all the alarm clock stuff, but it doesn't seem sufficient...

I hardly ever sleep when I dream anymore, I'm completely aware, but not lucid to the point that I can control what's happening... Basically, there's my dream mind on one side, and my waking mind sleeping comfortably in bed... I'm experiencing two things at the same time, the waking mind can see what the dream mind is doing and tends to make comments about what's happening.

For some reason I know that I'm dreaming, but it's like I don't have this urge to control what's happening... I'm just watching and recording passively, sometimes I'll be faced with a problem in the dream and my waking mind will make suggestions...

For example, I dreamt that I was hanging on to a tree branch above a ravine, and I fell down, and my waking, rational mind told my dumb dream mind not to worry, that I wouldn't get hurt... I landed on the ground unharmed, and did not wake up from the shock, unlike the usual falling dream!

I guess what I need to do now is work on my affirmations to make sure I remember to take control... There's just this whole part of me missing when I'm experiencing altered states of consciousnes... I would guess that it's the emotional part... I've seen "ghosts" and fought dwellers on the treshold during sleep paralysis, but instead of being afraid, I would have this overwhelming feeling that everything is normal, and that there's nothing to be afraid of. A neutral stance on everything, pretty much...

So, in other words, there is still work to be done elsewhere... Why am I not surprised? :)


Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: David Warner on May 22, 2006, 22:59:43
Kiwibonga,

I know what you are talking about and its the process of intent and affirmations that will pay off in the long run.

Just the other day I probably had one of my biggest experience in my career at projecting. Not only that is was meeting two relatives that had pas, but also presented strong validations. This experience first started in a false awakening and I was able to review and test the episode of events leading up to this.

All of this took place by with affirmations, exercise, hard work prior. I didn't plan the experience or create the reality, all just happened and the event took place within 2-3minutes.

Hope this helps show that affirmation and intent is a big part of projecting and recognizing the different states of consciousness.

Tvos





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Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: falsetigerlimbs on June 08, 2006, 03:47:12
Regarding your program, kiwibonga: when I press the 'test ring' button, I hear no sound? It's probably just my computer acting stupid. But I'm sad I can't use your program! :(


Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: upstream on June 21, 2006, 13:22:35
This method should work for everyone. I consider it as the best entry method for OBE currently known. It provides an easy access for having some conscious sleep activity you can build on. If you manage to LD/OBEing every day with or without it for about two weeks something will open up in your energy system and more advanced stuffs start to come on their own.

I've been on something similar from 1997-2002 with exceptional success. Now I'm pretty much dishabituated and don't really need this but I would use it without hesitation if I need a serious boost. Basically,
I've experimented with a bunch of different technique based on the principle of sleep disturbance.

I have to note, that most of them may be serious health hazard in the long term. During the years I even developed a sleep apnea of some sort. I recorded it and found to be a little mess in my breathing cycle alteration at the onset of sleep. Basically it forces me to exhale again after exhalation. I've been kept jumping out of light slumber suffocating by this. Now I know it happens only when my breathing is put to automatism and I lose self reflexive consciousness. Thus I found its proper use in practicing conscious sleep all the time.

Anyway, rolling out seems to be part of the sleep disturbing process, so much, that my first system got its name based on it (LOG-loop). I used brief signals to disturb my sleep after about 5 hour of sleep and one hour of wakefulness. During wakefulness the same signals were used to condition myself for the rolling out process.

This experiment made me understand (for the first time) that the only prerequisite for OBE is to realize when the body has truly fallen asleep (2nd stage). After you hit the "true sleep" and your intent to do so is reestablished you can detach yourself from the body with less or more difficulty. REM sleep activity is a totally different thing that may or may not interfere at this depth. If present, you may end up in a dream not related to your bedroom.

So I developed and practiced methods to either keep my awareness intact or fluctuating while descending into sleep. The fluctuating approach has proven to be more easy and efficient at the beginning and perfectly fit to the sleep disturbing methods I was practicing at the time (This is what I use now without external devices. When I realized that the controlled fluctuation of awareness is an art itself I became obsessed in trying to get the best command for it. Finally I used hypnagogia to construct streams of visions for this purpose with cooperation of my higher self.)

The second milestone in this "alarm method" was combining periodic sleep disturbance with binaural exposition. I've found that binaural technology is not really capable for anything more than stabilizing the brain at a fundamental resonant frequency characteristic to sleep. I've found that the best choice is likely 4Hz.

I had my first success with 4 Hz @ 200Hz in 2000. Another good pattern was the combination of 4 and 10 Hz stimuli made by multiple non-interfering carriers directed to the brainstem and thalamus. I used these patterns to facilitate, reshape and stabilize deep or hypnagog sleep before my actual OBE attempts (binaural exposition style) or stabilizing deep sleep on the fly (free flow stlye). The latter worked only for deep sleep and etheric OBEs.

Usually I started to disturb sleep (with a signal of 2 to 20 minutes interval) after 20-40 minutes of stabilization, depending on my actual natural sleep pressure and the method I would use (if any). Latency and signal period are very important factors. They have to be set carefully for the best results. Every try needs slightly different parameters, especially at the beginning. You need to study your own rhythms and sleep in general to have the best results.

Matt (here known as Cube) developed his own system, called Rhythm Mapping. You can read everything about it here:
http://www.saltcube.com/out-of-body/chat-forum/viewTopic.jsp?t=rhythm-napping


Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: Potatis on June 21, 2006, 13:59:03
Thanks for posting that, Upstream, I found it very interesting. :)


Title: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: Super Sonic on July 09, 2006, 20:55:06
I'll give this one a serious go tonight.


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: novella on September 13, 2006, 21:41:35
Hello Kiwibongo,
I read your post of the 27th of April in which you said you created ringtones.
As I'm not so familiar with pc's wuld you mind to explain to how to download etc. these ringtones.

Thanks, Novella


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: kiwibonga on September 14, 2006, 19:25:49
I wrote the instructions for the program here:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/index.php?topic=22822.0


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: David Warner on September 15, 2006, 01:37:35
Kiwibonga,

Cool deal and thanx for adding this to the forum. I'll check it out and play around with it a bit.

Can you make a program for the pocket pc specifically for random awake times? I've been using a program called SPB which is good but I have to program the times.

Tvos


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: Mickeall on September 17, 2006, 12:47:19
I used this a few times and it always gives exellent results, i done it once when in a hypnopomic state and i was even more intense, i almost got out on the two trys i had when i woke this morning, but i regained conciousness to quick and i was jerked back into my body on each try. So far this is the best tecnique i have used and i have gotten even closer to aping thanks to this method.


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: David Warner on September 17, 2006, 21:13:40
np... but there are many others to thank for this method too! - its a good method, but very trying.. especially when you are trying to sleep.

tvos


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: kiwibonga on September 18, 2006, 02:26:56
Can you make a program for the pocket pc specifically for random awake times? I've been using a program called SPB which is good but I have to program the times.

Well unfortunately, I don't have a pocket PC... If I ever do get one, though, I'll be sure to make a program for it :)


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: Mitch on September 18, 2006, 21:49:42
I've never gotten strong vibrations before Projecting, so I have a question before I try this...

When I feel the vibrations, do I just try to get up as they're hitting me? If I get up too early won't they just stop? Or do I kind of seperate automatically when the vibrations hit, and I wouldn't have to worry about moving my physical body?


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: David Warner on September 19, 2006, 00:34:26
usually when you start to feel the vibrations let it flow through you, then they will level out - at that time is when its good to make the exit by floating out, rolling to the floor.

tvos


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: kiwibonga on September 19, 2006, 04:36:17
The trick with this is to play around with the dream images that pop up as you fall asleep -- it's very important to be in a rather drowsy state, otherwise the images will have trouble coming to you. After a couple days of using the program, you'll notice your ability to stay half-awake (in a state of light trance) will be greatly enhanced.

Continue to work on seeing things, work on making them vivid, learn to focus on the "imaginary image" rather than the darkness behind your eyelids.

Concentrating on the images seems to be the best way to deepen the state -- as you dwelve deeper into trance, the "dream landscape" will go from intangible flashes to full fledged lucid dreams. It will definitely not happen instantly, but if you stick to it, you are pretty much garanteed to have an unusual experience.

Once you are in a lucid dream, it's remarkably easy to have an OBE ; I've noticed that my dreams seem to occur a few feet above my bed, all I have to do is wish to see "reality" and I find myself in my room, in a state of sleep paralysis with heavy vibrations (that's how most of my ""spontaneous"" OBEs and that one conscious exit happened).


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: Enoch on September 28, 2006, 22:32:16
By concious exit you mean you were awake? I just wonder becasue you said obe just before that.

Use the black you see behind your eyes it works well to lucid dream. use it as a blank screen. and than paint your picture on it and follow it into sleep.
I really like to see a point of light on the screen and just follow it (with my conciousness) wherever it may take me. This keeps the amount of visualization down for those not to into it. Ive had many vibes and what not from that "twilight" stage. You can do this while awake also with shadows, and with visualizations. I prefer to use the world "screen" though and thus the shadows. Or the twilight of the sun is also good. 


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: kiwibonga on September 29, 2006, 01:04:14
By conscious exit, I mean full-fledged OBE induction, i.e. you lie down, relax, visualize, and exit. It's likely that a small break in consciousness will occur while you are visualizing, but otherwise it is a continuous process.

An exit that isn't conscious would be for example when you wake up out of body in the middle of the night (this includes sleep paralysis and lucid dreams, where the etheric body is in a slightly expanded state and the consciousness is not focused in the physical), i.e. a spontaneous exit.


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: Awakened_Mind on September 29, 2006, 09:25:09
I'll vouch for this method of exit. I don't use it anymore but when I first began projecting it was a great initially.

Newbies take note of it.

-Awakened_Mind


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: Enoch on September 29, 2006, 20:15:01
By conscious exit, I mean full-fledged OBE induction, i.e. you lie down, relax, visualize, and exit. It's likely that a small break in consciousness will occur while you are visualizing, but otherwise it is a continuous process.

An exit that isn't conscious would be for example when you wake up out of body in the middle of the night (this includes sleep paralysis and lucid dreams, where the etheric body is in a slightly expanded state and the consciousness is not focused in the physical), i.e. a spontaneous exit.

Ya i know...But in my case i do this while awake so thats why i asked you.  :wink:


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: David Warner on October 10, 2006, 22:49:33
it can be very tiresome trying to use the Alarm Clock method, but it does breed results. Alot will be false awakenings and those are true obe's.

good luck!

tvos


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: will777 on October 10, 2006, 23:46:27
Hi tvos,
For your technique, when you wake up for the first time and then set it for 15 mins, during this 15 do you go back to sleep as normally then after this 15, you wake up by the sound and then start trying to OBE?
Will


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: David Warner on October 11, 2006, 02:23:55
Will,

It varies, sometimes I awake for 15mins, check email , surf and head back to bed. There are the other times, I will roll over, turn off the alarm clock and then slip into the trance state quickly to exit.

hope this helps!

tvos


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: Enoch on October 12, 2006, 21:40:26
Sometimes my intent is so high that no wait is needed. I just lay there for a few minutes and than usually have great lucid ability.


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: David Warner on October 13, 2006, 04:33:56
Enoch,

I know what you are saying.. I think the best I've been able to put myself into the trance was within 5-10minutes. Normally, it happens within 30minutes from my observations.

Tvos


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: Dragon #103 on December 28, 2006, 01:52:28
7. When you exercise the motion of falling asleep then awaken to the
alarm clock. Imagine you are curled up into a little ball, or pretend
that your a log. Feel, visualize, sense and start moving in a spinning
or rolling motion.

8. While your physical is falling to sleep, you are keeping your mind active
and aware. Usually, about the time your body falls to sleep is the point
where the vibrations occur. You can distinctly tell off in the distance
that the vibrations will be far away. Pull them closer which will start to
increase. Note: Although this you are still exercising rolling and
spinning around.

9. When the vibrations hit a certain level of comfort, it is now time to exit.

10. The method that I've used time and time again is just to roll right off
the bed and onto the bed to separate from the physical. Sometimes, I
just spin quickly and outward float.


These four rules are the ones that aren't making complete sense to me for some reason. I think I understand them, but I might be wrong, so just to be sure I would like clarification of this, if it wont be too much trouble. Thanks ^..^


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: Szaxx on April 20, 2012, 23:51:11
Hi mus,
Meat pate, spots of light....?
Can you post again in English please?


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: Szaxx on April 21, 2012, 08:44:19
twoja historia jest miłe. można go przetłumaczyć na język angielski. polska nie jest rozumiane przez większość tutaj.


Title: Re: Astral Projection Alarm Clock Method
Post by: nikolai on May 25, 2012, 22:43:19
David this is a brilliant method, I been using the same method for a while now. I set my alarm clock for every single hour to ring every night (so about 5 rings if I sleep for 5 hours). I found this increases not only the dreams you remember (I wake up and quickly type the dream into my phone then go back to sleep) which helps astral memory to develop, but also helps to lucid dream and phase into astral.

its good you brought it up!