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Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Abraham on November 12, 2005, 07:47:30
Hi again. I know none of you like "hate" or "insulting" or "denouncing" but sometimes in order for the truth by apparent you must "hate", "insult", and "denounce".

This forum is on serious crack. You cant even tell the difference between dreams and out of body experiences. You'll say that many out of body experiences are dreams but some prove to be true. So tell me, how can you base ur entire understanding of things upon such a limited resource?

I read a study on out of body experiences once which said that they gathered some of the "experienced" projectors to find an object in another room, and only a small percentage of the projectors actually got it right.

But then we have people on this board making crazy conclusions based upon their experiences. To tell you the truth, I have had some amazing "lucid dreams". None of your out of body experiences which u think are proven to you can be proven to be true, in the obvious reality that they could just be dreams. I even read some members saying exaclty this.

some eveen say that the Astral can be "influenced by ones own thoughts "

If thats the case, then are you  going to talk about life after death, reincarnation, and a whole bunch of bizaare ideas that you make up about them, if in fact they could be just influenced by your own thoughts? Whats wrong with you people?

Whoever makes a claim about the afterlife based upon his experiences is in fact just fooling himself, and whoever makes  a claim about God based upon his experiences is simply fooling himself.


 If you dont like hatred, move on. God isnt Love. God loves and He hates. He gave you the ability to choose. You choose Him, He will grant u heaven. You choose other than Him, He will grant you Hell.

May God guide us all and save us from the filth of paganism, spiritual crack, and mental retardation.


-Abraham


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: thesickmoon on November 12, 2005, 08:44:45
Gadzooks, man! Another one! What is it with this place, anyway?

Sorry I can't make a long post right now. I just got up to use the rest room, and now I'm about to go back to bed and dream lucidly.

Abraham: Contemplate this:

http://g.sheetmusicplus.com/Look-Inside/covers/5679987.jpg


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Lente on November 12, 2005, 08:58:13
And you are not fooling yourself? How do you know your right? Take away your faith, your holy books, what remains of your logic then? Do you have any experience to base your logic on? If not, then you have even less basis for your logic then most people have here, they for the most part have at least some personal experience to backup their logic.

Of course reality is how you perceive it to be, which is not something you just change, its a difficult process, one that includes all aspects of yourself. And I bet that one of those of yours has a problem whit accepting new beliefs, that’s why your play the missionary now, to convince yourself, to confirm what you believe. And why is that? Because maybe you feel threatened in you current beliefs? I wonder if you will seriously think about this.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: James S on November 12, 2005, 09:06:30
Ok then, everybody... the gig's up! We've been found out. We're all deluded!
Throw away all that you've learned through real life experience coz there's somebody here now with THE TRUTH!!!
We'd all better stop thinking for ourselves now and follow along like good little sheep.

 :inquisition:


Title: Re: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Jazket on November 12, 2005, 13:37:11
Quote from: Abraham
Hi again. I know none of you like "hate" or "insulting" or "denouncing" but sometimes in order for the truth by apparent you must "hate", "insult", and "denounce".

This forum is on serious crack. You cant even tell the difference between dreams and out of body experiences. You'll say that many out of body experiences are dreams but some prove to be true. So tell me, how can you base ur entire understanding of things upon such a limited resource?

I read a study on out of body experiences once which said that they gathered some of the "experienced" projectors to find an object in another room, and only a small percentage of the projectors actually got it right.

But then we have people on this board making crazy conclusions based upon their experiences. To tell you the truth, I have had some amazing "lucid dreams". None of your out of body experiences which u think are proven to you can be proven to be true, in the obvious reality that they could just be dreams. I even read some members saying exaclty this.

some eveen say that the Astral can be "influenced by ones own thoughts "

If thats the case, then are you  going to talk about life after death, reincarnation, and a whole bunch of bizaare ideas that you make up about them, if in fact they could be just influenced by your own thoughts? Whats wrong with you people?

Whoever makes a claim about the afterlife based upon his experiences is in fact just fooling himself, and whoever makes  a claim about God based upon his experiences is simply fooling himself.


 If you dont like hatred, move on. God isnt Love. God loves and He hates. He gave you the ability to choose. You choose Him, He will grant u heaven. You choose other than Him, He will grant you Hell.

May God guide us all and save us from the filth of paganism, spiritual crack, and mental retardation.


-Abraham



"That one that wishes the truth will not speak of Love or Christianity, because he knows how far he is of this. The Christian doctrine, for the Christians. And the Christians are those that live in agreement with Christ, is to say that they do everything according to his rules. Of course that those who speak of Love and Moral cannot live in conformity with these concepts. But there will always be people of this type and there will always be people for whom the
words will weigh more than the things. But who speak of that way are empty men, and it is not worth the trouble to waste the time with them."

- G.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Adun on November 12, 2005, 19:02:57
Abraham, I agree with you when you say that lots of people draw quick conclusions about how reality "works" from experiences which are affected by what they believe.
Still, in my opinion oobes prove one thing to the one experiencing it, it proves that his mind doesn't depend on the body to exist. I've had regular lucid dreams since i was a child and 2 or 3 oobes in the last 2 years, the level of "realness" varies from dream to dream (sometimes as real as waking life), but when you have an oobe it is a unique experience.


Haha..
Till now i thought you were one of those skeptic-wannabe-scientist, but as I re-read your post (somehow i skipped the last lines the first time i read it) i realized that you are christian and upset because some of the members don't praise your god.
If everyone on the forum is a filthy pagan, mental retarded, high on crack and going to hell, why are you still here? :lol:


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Abraham on November 12, 2005, 20:49:20
Lol.

Im not Christian. Who said Im christian? I'm Muslim.
Christians are pagans also.

Everyone here has the same ignorant thought processes as Christians.

The reality is you have to worship the Creator, not the creation. Use your sense. There is the Creator, and the creation, theres no middle ground. They are not the same and can not be the same. My hand did not create itself, the trees did not create themselves, God and His creation are separate. The only rational answer is to submit to God and God alone.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Selski on November 12, 2005, 21:42:59
* Sarah wonders whether she should reply to this thread *

Realises she really can't be bothered, knowing it would be futile.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: James S on November 12, 2005, 21:44:38
* James looks at Sarah's post and thinks she's right, but decides to say something anyway*

Abraham,

The truth of God is demonstrated through the love and acceptence of all His creation. All are perfect in God's eyes!

The Astral Pulse Forums are open to all Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, Wiccans, Spiritualists, Satanists, Odinists, Atheists and any other belief, sect, cult, religion, creed or philosophy.

We are here to talk about experiences NOT dogmas.

James.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Abraham on November 12, 2005, 22:04:48
Thats not proof for anything. Did God tell you that He "loves everyone"? If you dont turn to revelation, you dont know whether or not He is pleased or displeased with something or someone.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: kailaurius on November 12, 2005, 22:11:14
Hello Abraham,

Most people here including myself don't come here to be convinced of anything, so don't take this the wrong way, but it's kind of amusing when someone tries to convice other people what is right or wrong, real or not real, or asking for proof about what is real that I've noticed in another thread.

Anyway, we are here to share our experiences and help those who want to experience the same thing, whatever that may be.


Title: Re: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: The Present Moment on November 12, 2005, 22:42:35
Quote from: Abraham

[snip]

How did you find this forum, and why are you here?


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Adun on November 12, 2005, 22:45:42
Quote from: Abraham
Lol.

Im not Christian. Who said Im christian? I'm Muslim.


It's all pretty much the same...

You ask for proof from our part, but what proof do you have to convince us of your "creator"?


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Abraham on November 12, 2005, 22:56:12
Christian and Muslim are not the same. Muslims worship God and nothing else, and we do not say that any of His creation is Him or was Him, or that He "died" on the cross. God is far above all of this. He alone created everything and sustains everything, and He alone deserves our worship and reverence.

theres only a few possibilites. Were you created from nothing? Did you create yourself? Did you create the universe? None of these are rational possibilites, so it is only rational that there is One Creator beyond all of creation.

Thats proof :its up to you to accept it, or whether you want to be arrogant of the reality. Or whether you want to attribute these actions to something else such as "nature" or "science" or "the big bang" Regardless of any of this, the  reality is that "nature" "science" "the big bang" or all dependent upon Him.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Abraham on November 12, 2005, 23:05:11
Quote from: kailaurius
Hello Abraham,

Most people here including myself don't come here to be convinced of anything, so don't take this the wrong way, but it's kind of amusing when someone tries to convice other people what is right or wrong, real or not real, or asking for proof about what is real that I've noticed in another thread.

Anyway, we are here to share our experiences and help those who want to experience the same thing, whatever that may be.


Lol. Thats whats ridiculous. Do  you want the truth or just some sort of 'experience'? Do you want to know our purpose or just some sort of fake purpose derived from your own emotions and feelings? Do you want to follow proofs or emotions?

It seems the majority of people on this forum dont really care about the truth, but rather just want to deceive themselves.

Theres truth and theres falsehood, theres no middle ground.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Adun on November 12, 2005, 23:47:59
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Christian and Muslim are not the same. Muslims worship God and nothing else, and we do not say that any of His creation is Him or was Him, or that He "died" on the cross.


I'm not christian but i know that according to the bible god didn't die on the cross, jesus did.

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theres only a few possibilites. Were you created from nothing? Did you create yourself? Did you create the universe? None of these are rational possibilites, so it is only rational that there is One Creator beyond all of creation.


You say that the possibility of one creating himself or "being created from nothingness" is irrational and then you say that the possibility of a "creator" creating us is rational.
And how was that "creator" created? He either appeared out of nowhere or created himself... wait a second.. that's irrational!

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Thats proof :its up to you to accept it, or whether you want to be arrogant of the reality. Or whether you want to attribute these actions to something else such as "nature" or "science" or "the big bang" Regardless of any of this, the reality is that "nature" "science" "the big bang" or all dependent upon Him.


I'm sorry but that is not proof.
Your claims have as much validity as saying that the moon is made of green cheese. :roll:


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Leyla on November 12, 2005, 23:55:45
Oh hurrah! Another religious fanatic is here to save us from our delusions! (How ever that works.)

:inquisition:

James - I love this smilie!


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: dorian345 on November 12, 2005, 23:57:34
wow, abra, ur a retard, go away.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: -->PhenomenoN<-- on November 13, 2005, 00:52:19
We're ALL lost....finding ourselves, experiencing, not knowing, being influenced, knowing- this is life.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: -->PhenomenoN<-- on November 13, 2005, 00:54:00
Maybe only in death all our answers are answered??  

Maybe we should all just kill ourselves then (jk! - joke)


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Slider on November 13, 2005, 03:23:02
Quote from: Abraham
The reality is you have to worship the Creator, not the creation. Use your sense.


Why would an Omnipotent/omniscient entity create millions/billions of minions to worship him/her/itself?  I never understood that.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Ben K on November 13, 2005, 03:52:46
You, Abraham, are a jumbled of piece of belief-trash.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Draege on November 13, 2005, 03:58:07
My take on it is all experiences are the same thing. That is to say, they're all X. Not out of body experiences, not dreams (because people think of dreams as existing only in your head), just X. Whether X is a product of your physical brain or not I cannot say. During X we CAN have influence that seems supernatural ie the existance of physical world objects and locations. But my experience has been that these cases are not the ACTUAL real objects/locations existing in the physical world but simply copies of them. So what it proves is simply extra sensory perception, not the existance of OBEing.

So, call it want you want. I go ahead and call them all dreams as its more realistic in my mind than saying you're leaving your body to float around the physical world (OBE). Just recognize that for me "dreams" is a label and not necessarily a definition.

This is all just my opinion.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Draege on November 13, 2005, 04:03:12
That's the funny thing about getting angry. You get angry at someone because you feel they've done something wrong (in this case flaming people) and your anger is justified because they are the wrongdoer and you are in the right. Then you take that anger and flame him right back. What does that make you? Yep, a hypocrite.

Moral of the story, no need to be harsh and throw insults around.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: thesickmoon on November 13, 2005, 04:35:02
Abe:

Your god sounds mightily generous with his granting access to Heaven and all that jazz. But how do you know your god isn’t an Astral Projector out to toy with you? Think about it: What if one of the Astral Pulse forum members, while doing a bit of AP, saw that some time in the future you’d post this very message to this very forum. Knowing this, our Loki wannabe went back in time and created the Hatin’ God you worship, and even went so far as to compose the texts you consider sacred, hiding them in places he knew archaeologists would look. Hell, for all I know, he could actually BE Loki in his spare time.

As far as your god’s Heaven and Hell, well… Heaven and Hell could have been created by him / her as part of the prank, since the Astral seems to be influenced by one’s own thoughts. I’ve got no proof of this, just as you don’t have any proof of the existence of your god, but I’m willing to go to great lengths to bring proof of God or any other non - ordinary being to humanity. Great lengths indeed. Absurd lengths. Lengths so absurd you’d think an existential twenty something angsty college kid came up with them. I have no idea what I’m on about, but I’m sure I’ll think of something in a moment.

Ah, yes. I’ve thought of it.

I challenge your God to a Mexican Chicken Cock Rooster Fight. Here’s how it works: Your god possesses the body of an adult rooster. See? And then I get to choose any god I want to possess the body of another adult rooster. It would be preferable if the two opposing roosters had a long standing record of hatred toward each other. Not that it would matter to the chosen gods, but it adds drama to the - WAIT. No. The roosters must be homosexual roosters, and they must be in love with each another. Yes. They’ve known each other for years, and they swore that if it ever came down to it, they’d never fight each other in an official match. The other roosters even allowed them to get married since they aren’t bound by silly, outdated human morals. Now, THAT’S drama.

Once the gods have settled into their respective roosters, we let them fight. Now, I know what you’re thinking.
“Bu- bu- but Dave! Wouldn’t the possession of the roosters be enough to prove the existence of otherworldly, non - ordinary beings?”
Well, yeah it would. You got me there. But I’m also going for style points, so therefore mere proof isn't enough.

Since the gods are probably able to keep the roosters alive for eternity, we’ll allow them to fight for only fifteen minutes, and then break them up - if they let us. Should they feel the need to continue fighting, there’d be nothing we could do to stop them. Hell, this scenario may event go on forever if it gains enough favor among the gods.

This could be the new trend of the gods, and they’ll wonder why they hadn’t ever thought of it before. If it happens to go that far, we could get all the gods - at least the overbearing, tyrannical ones – to inhabit the bodies of homosexual fightin' roosters and let THEM fight each other for a change instead of watching us fight each other all the damned time. Then we could be free from their ominous tyranny. Until they stop fighting each other, if ever. But you know how a day with the Lord can be…


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Draege on November 13, 2005, 04:40:38
Why.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Abraham on November 13, 2005, 06:32:12
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I'm not christian but i know that according to the bible god didn't die on the cross, jesus did.


According to Christianity, Jesus is God, therefore "God died on the cross".


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Abraham on November 13, 2005, 06:36:03
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You say that the possibility of one creating himself or "being created from nothingness" is irrational and then you say that the possibility of a "creator" creating us is rational.
And how was that "creator" created? He either appeared out of nowhere or created himself... wait a second.. that's irrational!


Actually asking the question how the "Creator" was created is irrational. ASking this question comes with the assumption that the Creator is somehow comparable to His creation (in that He has the need to be created). His essence is unique and unlike His creation.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Abraham on November 13, 2005, 06:45:31
Quote from: thesickmoon
Abe:

Your god sounds mightily generous with his granting access to Heaven and all that jazz. But how do you know your god isn’t an Astral Projector out to toy with you? Think about it: What if one of the Astral Pulse forum members, while doing a bit of AP, saw that some time in the future you’d post this very message to this very forum. Knowing this, our Loki wannabe went back in time and created the Hatin’ God you worship, and even went so far as to compose the texts you consider sacred, hiding them in places he knew archaeologists would look. Hell, for all I know, he could actually BE Loki in his spare time.

As far as your god’s Heaven and Hell, well… Heaven and Hell could have been created by him / her as part of the prank, since the Astral seems to be influenced by one’s own thoughts. I’ve got no proof of this, just as you don’t have any proof of the existence of your god, but I’m willing to go to great lengths to bring proof of God or any other non - ordinary being to humanity. Great lengths indeed. Absurd lengths. Lengths so absurd you’d think an existential twenty something angsty college kid came up with them. I have no idea what I’m on about, but I’m sure I’ll think of something in a moment.

Ah, yes. I’ve thought of it.

I challenge your God to a Mexican Chicken Cock Rooster Fight. Here’s how it works: Your god possesses the body of an adult rooster. See? And then I get to choose any god I want to possess the body of another adult rooster. It would be preferable if the two opposing roosters had a long standing record of hatred toward each other. Not that it would matter to the chosen gods, but it adds drama to the - WAIT. No. The roosters must be homosexual roosters, and they must be in love with each another. Yes. They’ve known each other for years, and they swore that if it ever came down to it, they’d never fight each other in an official match. The other roosters even allowed them to get married since they aren’t bound by silly, outdated human morals. Now, THAT’S drama.

Once the gods have settled into their respective roosters, we let them fight. Now, I know what you’re thinking.
“Bu- bu- but Dave! Wouldn’t the possession of the roosters be enough to prove the existence of otherworldly, non - ordinary beings?”
Well, yeah it would. You got me there. But I’m also going for style points, so therefore mere proof isn't enough.

Since the gods are probably able to keep the roosters alive for eternity, we’ll allow them to fight for only fifteen minutes, and then break them up - if they let us. Should they feel the need to continue fighting, there’d be nothing we could do to stop them. Hell, this scenario may event go on forever if it gains enough favor among the gods.

This could be the new trend of the gods, and they’ll wonder why they hadn’t ever thought of it before. If it happens to go that far, we could get all the gods - at least the overbearing, tyrannical ones – to inhabit the bodies of homosexual fightin' roosters and let THEM fight each other for a change instead of watching us fight each other all the damned time. Then we could be free from their ominous tyranny. Until they stop fighting each other, if ever. But you know how a day with the Lord can be…


Main Entry: crack
Pronunciation: 'krak
Function: noun
often attributive : a potent form of cocaine that is obtained by treating the hydrochloride of cocaine with sodium bicarbonate to create small chips used illicitly usually for smoking

Its not good for you, Dont smoke it.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Abraham on November 13, 2005, 06:49:23
Quote from: Ben K
You, Abraham, are a jumbled of piece of belief-trash.


You, Ben, are jumbled in experience worship and self-deception. Worshipping the Lord of all that exists and submitting to Him is  the most unjumbled, single-minded, rational action that you can do.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: thesickmoon on November 13, 2005, 06:56:37
Quote from: Abraham


Main Entry: crack
Pronunciation: 'krak
Function: noun
often attributive : a potent form of cocaine that is obtained by treating the hydrochloride of cocaine with sodium bicarbonate to create small chips used illicitly usually for smoking

Its not good for you, Dont smoke it.


I don't smoke anything. I'm drug free. Alcohol free, too. It's just that sometimes my imagination gets the best of me, and the result is stupid replies to posts on forums.

And for frak's sake, stop living in the 1990s.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Rowan on November 13, 2005, 08:14:07
Abraham,

Your posts have been interesting and confounding. I have several questions and some commentary regarding them.

How long have you been a Muslim? What sect do you belong to?

I ask this because you aren't very much like the other Muslims I've encountered online. Most of them have been respectful even when debating with others. They also had a tendency towards being well-spoken not telling those they disagreed with they were on crack.

How do these people's personal beliefs and practices impact you personally, and why this forum in particular?

As a Muslim who's apparently not a big fan of mystics, shouldn't you be off somewhere harassing Sufis?

It seems like you're posting to pick a fight. Why else would you demand people give you proof of their spiritual experiences? Honestly, your posts have been confusing. They read like you're an atheist demanding people concretely prove the numinous. As a religious person, you should know better. Can you prove your religion is completely true? Can you prove any spiritual experience you may have had is true? I sincerely doubt it. I also doubt you would believe proof anyone else gave you of their experiences, no matter how strong it was.

I could be wrong about you and hope I am. I find such close-mindedness sad.

I leave you with these words from the Havamal, that I hope you'll gain something from them.

Of his knowledge a man should never boast,
Rather be sparing of speech
When to his house a wiser comes:
Seldom do those who are silent Make mistakes;
mother wit Is ever a faithful friend


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: James S on November 13, 2005, 08:27:30
Quote from: Abraham
... Worshipping the Lord of all that exists and submitting to Him is  the most unjumbled, single-minded, rational action that you can do.

Single minded. Yup! that's it alright. Rational?? Hmmm....

Accusing others of being on crack isn't exactly rational is it?
That's kinda defamatory. Read the Acceptable Use Policy bud!

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theres only a few possibilites. Were you created from nothing? Did you create yourself? Did you create the universe? None of these are rational possibilites, so it is only rational that there is One Creator beyond all of creation.

Thats proof :its up to you to accept it, or whether you want to be arrogant of the reality.

That's proof??
No, that's conjecture. Get a dictionary. I think you're a little confused as the the meanings of the words.

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Do you want the truth or just some sort of 'experience'?

Experience is truth for the individual. It is through our experiences that we define who we are.
You can't get that out of books. That's someone else's truth, someone else's experience. Not yours.

Is there only black and white? Anything lighter than dark is light, anything darker than light is dark. It all depends on you're point of view.
That is the truth!

James.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Abraham on November 13, 2005, 08:36:05
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Abraham,

Your posts have been interesting and confounding. I have several questions and some commentary regarding them.

How long have you been a Muslim? What sect do you belong to?


Ive been Muslim for 3 or 4 years alhumdulillah(praise be to Allah). I am a sunni .

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I ask this because you aren't very much like the other Muslims I've encountered online. Most of them have been respectful even when debating with others. They also had a tendency towards being well-spoken not telling those they disagreed with they were on crack.

How do these people's personal beliefs and practices impact you personally, and why this forum in particular?


Kufr(disbelief) and shirk(paganism) is the same everywhere. Its my duty to Allah to call people to Him.


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As a Muslim who's apparently not a big fan of mystics, shouldn't you be off somewhere harassing Sufis?

It seems like you're posting to pick a fight. Why else would you demand people give you proof of their spiritual experiences? Honestly, your posts have been confusing. They read like you're an atheist demanding people concretely prove the numinous. As a religious person, you should know better. Can you prove your religion is completely true? Can you prove any spiritual experience you may have had is true? I sincerely doubt it. I also doubt you would believe proof anyone else gave you of their experiences, no matter how strong it was.


Actually yes Islam has numerous proofs whether people like it or not. Such as the Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him)) being an illiterate man who produced a book which is unique, without contradiction, and carrying many scientific facts that were unknown at his time(the Qur'an). There are numerous proofs and miracles witnessed by many at  his time which were recorded in clear documented history(he was the most well-documented prophet.) If you would like me to produce the proofs I will inshaa'Allah(If Allah wills)

Im demanding people proof because Allah subhanahu wata'ala(glorified and exalted be He) has commanded me in the Qur'an to tell this to those who follow religions of falsehood and misguidance:

"Say, "Bring forth your proofs, if you are truthful." [Surah Naml verse 64]

It is only rational that if we want to know the truth that we should have proof for it.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: OATH_ on November 13, 2005, 09:46:58
Abraham,

 :sad:

Understand that the reason for our explorations is to find the truth, we seek it, good or bad, we seek it and we accept. You are one man speaking to thousands on this forum that what each of us has found is a lie.

 Does anyone know if there is religion in heaven?


I guess I could be wrong about it though, just like everyone on these forums and all of the christians are wrong and the atheist and the buddhist and confuscists and anyone else you could think of....Oh, except the sunni muslims~!


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: dimentox on November 13, 2005, 09:50:26
EDIT not gonna be mean as much as i want to.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Rowan on November 13, 2005, 09:50:38
Abraham,

Thank you for your polite response. There's no need of proofs, as I believe you are right to an extent. Although as a polytheist, I believe the truth can be found in many sources. I wasn't really talking about historical or scientific proofs found in Holy books or historical documents. What I meant was spiritual truth and proofs aren't easily explained concrete things. Heck, I very rarely talk about my own experiences, I feel I don't have the right words to explain them. Maybe if I were Keats instead of the worst poet in the world.

For example, I could tell you about a healing journey I've done on my behalf or someone else's behalf. I could tell you that I or the other person then got well, but you could easily explain that away as coincidence or a placebo effect. I could tell you that I've found strangers who I've had no previous contact with that have had the same experiences when journeying that I've had. You could explain that away as well by thinking all of us were imagining our experiences after reading the same source material. If I told you that there was no source material or that it was so obscure I didn't come across it until afterwards, you could think I was lying or had simply forgotten that I had come across it before.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that spiritual experience, whether astral projection, ecstatic prayer, or anything else in the realm of mysticism, isn't easily proven unless you are experiencing it yourself, and then it's still sometimes difficult to comprehend. It's more akin to poetry, art, and intuition than to science and rationality, although both have a place in religion.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Lente on November 13, 2005, 11:43:57
Edit: I decided to remove this post.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Adun on November 13, 2005, 12:58:35
Quote from: Abraham
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I'm not christian but i know that according to the bible god didn't die on the cross, jesus did.


According to Christianity, Jesus is God, therefore "God died on the cross".


That's incorrect.
I was raised christian for about 13 years and i know for sure that jesus is not god. According to the bible jesus is the son of god.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: kailaurius on November 13, 2005, 14:40:40
Quote from: Abraham
Quote from: kailaurius
Hello Abraham,

Most people here including myself don't come here to be convinced of anything, so don't take this the wrong way, but it's kind of amusing when someone tries to convice other people what is right or wrong, real or not real, or asking for proof about what is real that I've noticed in another thread.

Anyway, we are here to share our experiences and help those who want to experience the same thing, whatever that may be.


Lol. Thats whats ridiculous. Do  you want the truth or just some sort of 'experience'? Do you want to know our purpose or just some sort of fake purpose derived from your own emotions and feelings? Do you want to follow proofs or emotions?

It seems the majority of people on this forum dont really care about the truth, but rather just want to deceive themselves.

Theres truth and theres falsehood, theres no middle ground.


Hehe   :smile:

Well actually for myself there is no truth or falsehood.  I personally feel that deception preys on those who seek in a truth and clings to those who are closed minded, and if you become deceived it was by choice anyway for whatever purpose.  But there is nothing wrong with that either.  I feel that those who are open minded and free cannot be deceived, and by fee I mean free from everthing.  Free from religios beliefs, free from morals, free from what the majority of society perceives as truth, etc.  Deception cannot exist.  There's nothing for it to cling to.  Anyway, this is just how I feel for myself.

I'd like to write some more, but it's getting busy over here atm.  I'll check back later.  :wink:


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: MindFreak on November 13, 2005, 18:41:26
This Allah seems like an imaginary friend. Dont worry bud we all grow out of that stage.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Souljah333 on November 13, 2005, 19:13:23
i share a similar view point of view on the creator/creation thing (with all the non-sense & arrogance aside)(i suppose it's attractive to me as an artist). i'm currently more into the observer & the observed, but same difference.

funny thing is when creation attempts to sum up itself, state its purpose, name its price, etc. and it's the anger actually that i find unpleasant in your posts. such animosity towards your fellow brothers & sisters, but no sense pointing the finger...it seems to be a pandemic of late. i feel the point is missed again with the act of being 'present'. that space before thought when you are truly one with the creator. you are working just as much within the past, and projecting assumptions just as much into the future, as anyone else is. if you truly occupied that space that you speak so highly of...you wouldn't have a need to justify, criticize, or explain.

with all i am capable of understanding...you are just another child-like creation lost in a sea of male-based rule, seeking sense and familiarity with it all. with all that everyone knows combined...i think we will all be very surprised in the end.

...and the creator & the creation are 'absolutely' one in the same, completely indivisible...always!

just in case anyone was wondering?!? :wink:


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: James S on November 13, 2005, 22:37:01
Rowan,
Welcome to the forums by the way.  :smile:

I agree very much with the idea of proof being in the common experiences of complete strangers.
I've had this happen myself on a number of occasions where I compare notes with someone I've never met before, to find we've (spiritually) experienced the same thing in the same way. Then when a number of other people chime in and say "yeah, me too," you really know your not just making things up.

 :smile:
James.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: IequalMC2 on November 13, 2005, 23:35:40
I Hear, And if Allah wills

Abraham, forgive me this is not a test. How do you pray?


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Makaveli on November 14, 2005, 04:11:55
Are you suggesting that my astral goat named Herbie isn’t real?  I heard that one in GTASA…  

Anyways none of as actually travel to this magical astral world.  We are either crazy since we are unable to lay off the astral crack pipe as you say or there are those of us that just like to make things up because we crave attention and have nothing better to do.

(http://img2.uploadimages.net/6809511.gif)

Please understand that you are wasting your time here.  We are all too simple-minded to appreciate these amazing proofs that you speak of, which I’m sure prove your superior religious beliefs as an undeniable scientific fact.    

(http://img2.uploadimages.net/3848602.JPG)


Title: search the truth for yourself!
Post by: Guhan on November 14, 2005, 10:18:30
Hi All (after a looooong time),

I thought to reply to this after reading Abraham's posts...

Well, Abraham, as others have asked u, how r u going to prove that YOU are right!? I am a Hindu but also believe in the path of Lord Buddha strongly as well.

Don't stick to something like you are blind, study your religion well, compare with the others (with a neutral point of view).

Know what other people & religions are going behind & why... There's something Lord Buddha & some other Hindu yogis have said:

"Don't believe us blindly... search the truth for yourself"

They did it with meditation... and people in this forum our trying the varieties of meditation. If they are wrong in some way, they will know it when they get to the next level... because spiritual work can only improve your consciousness...

So have an open mind & search the truth for yourself...

- Guhan


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Blackstream on November 14, 2005, 11:54:59
First off, on the subject of Jesus being God or the Son of God, you have to realize that a fundamental part of the Christian doctrine is the concept of the trinity.  That is, that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all separate entities, and yet are the same being all at once.  So Jesus can be the son of God, and God at the same time.

And for anyone who thinks that's ridiculous, I just have to say this, "Higher selves."  Same concept, different application.

Anyways, onto this guy's tirade.  You do realize that the bible supposedly has all the exact same proofs behind it too, right?  Solid block of logic, no contradictions (I've researched a lot of the supposed ones, still have yet to find one), miracles were performed and witnessed by many a audience, blah blah.

I'm sure other religions have the same kinda backing, although I'm sure other ones also have contradictions, but that's not the point.

The point is, how do you know your God is the right God and not someone elses?  You are basing your entire beliefs off of some dude who pulled a book out of his butt and some supposed miracles that you never saw for yourself?  What proof has this God given to you in your life that he exists, and how do you know that they are in fact from your God and not due to another being or coincidence?





Faith.  That's what it is.  You have taken your religion's supposed facts on faith, your God's existence on faith.  Christians have taken their God's existance on faith.

Astral projectors take their realms existance on faith too, that it's not a lucid dream.

Why is your faith better than anyone elses?  You won't know whose right until you die.


Title: Re: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: clandestino on November 14, 2005, 12:45:12
Quote from: Abraham

But then we have people on this board making crazy conclusions based upon their experiences. To tell you the truth, I have had some amazing "lucid dreams". None of your out of body experiences which u think are proven to you can be proven to be true, in the obvious reality that they could just be dreams. I even read some members saying exaclty this.....

....May God guide us all and save us from the filth of paganism, spiritual crack, and mental retardation.

-Abraham


Yet, the Koran says :
"Do you not see how Allah has created the seven heavens, one above another"

I'm not too fond of religious arguments & quotes; they just go around in circles. I think we can all agree though, whether its astral projection, christianity or islam - none stands up to scientific scrutiny. Arguing otherwise is pointless !

Mark


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: redDEVIL on November 14, 2005, 19:01:19
....May God guide us all and save us from the filth of paganism, spiritual crack, and mental retardation.


Why should a belief in obe/lucid dream make someone a pagan?

I believe in God, Jesus, the messengers, Heaven and Hell. As do most religions. Why fight over the definitions of each word. I'm a Christian but I also read about other religions and don't feel threatened by them. Neither do i feel threatened by "astral experiences". Its interesting that in the bible there are many references to obe and trance states as there are in other religions. Lets accept the fact that somehow everything is all connected.

After spending 45 Min's reading the QUR'AN for the first time I've already found a reference that is up for debate and interpretation.

013.015
YUSUFALI: Whatever beings there are in the heavens and the earth do prostrate themselves to Allah (Acknowledging subjection),- with good-will or in spite of themselves: so do their [shadows] in the morning and evenings.

Could these SHADOWS be a ref to the astral body/spirit?


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Greenrat on November 14, 2005, 19:02:30
hmmm i think abraham might just be some random guy whos against muslims,  so hes come on here and played the part of a crazy zealot, all in the hope of turning people against muslims..

i think the guy behind abraham is pretending to be exactly what he hates most, so others will too and join his crusade against islam.

he just seems a bit to cliche-fanatic, like he's actually funny because he's so foolish LOL LOL !!! !111!! shift+1!! /jf*^"

if he's for real then he's a LONG way from home.

THE MORE RELIGIOUS WE ARE, THE LESS WE KNOW ABOUT GOD.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Souljah333 on November 14, 2005, 20:11:29
AMEN :popcorn2:


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: OATH_ on November 14, 2005, 22:53:46
Quote from: Blackstream
First off, on the subject of Jesus being God or the Son of God, you have to realize that a fundamental part of the Christian doctrine is the concept of the trinity.  That is, that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all separate entities, and yet are the same being all at once.  So Jesus can be the son of God, and God at the same time.

And for anyone who thinks that's ridiculous, I just have to say this, "Higher selves."  Same concept, different application.

Anyways, onto this guy's tirade.  You do realize that the bible supposedly has all the exact same proofs behind it too, right?  Solid block of logic, no contradictions (I've researched a lot of the supposed ones, still have yet to find one), miracles were performed and witnessed by many a audience, blah blah.

I'm sure other religions have the same kinda backing, although I'm sure other ones also have contradictions, but that's not the point.

The point is, how do you know your God is the right God and not someone elses?  You are basing your entire beliefs off of some dude who pulled a book out of his butt and some supposed miracles that you never saw for yourself?  What proof has this God given to you in your life that he exists, and how do you know that they are in fact from your God and not due to another being or coincidence?





Faith.  That's what it is.  You have taken your religion's supposed facts on faith, your God's existence on faith.  Christians have taken their God's existance on faith.

Astral projectors take their realms existance on faith too, that it's not a lucid dream.

Why is your faith better than anyone elses?  You won't know whose right until you die.


Great post Blackstream :wink:

Yes, I think the world would be much better off if everyone stayed away from the labels and descriptions of others. Fact is a good majority of all people on this planet believe in some sort of god like higher power one way or another, which I think deserves to be looked upon INDIVIDUALLY. Then when and if you do find this higher power through some sort of mystical experience and you feel it is real to you you should not say well this is the ABC god since i have been going to the ABC church all of my life. You should find out for yourself WHAT EXACTLY IS GOD, and if you find that one out never never never go off and tell other people how you saw god and what he is etc.. If someone asks thats cool, tell them because they could be searching just like you were but If not dont go around trying to force people to do things. Force doesnt work to well, im surprised that isnt something learned from the koran (abraham) seems more like its you the one who are scared and searching though... idk though, im not sigmund frued....


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Heather B. on November 15, 2005, 03:52:28
Abraham et al.,

I find it strange that all religions attest to the infinite nature of God, and yet so many religious followers insist that there is only one "right" definition of God.

It's like holding up a paper cup of ocean water and saying, "This and this alone is the ocean."  Or pointing a telescope at one small segment of the sky and saying "This and and this alone is the sky."  When you think about it that way, isn't it pretty ridiculous?

Who God is or isn't, or even whether God is or isn't, is just as much a matter of experience as anything else.  I have personal experience with God, and I also have a personal religious preference that is congruent with my experience of God--notice I didn't say my experience of God is congruent with my religion.  Science, metaphysics, and spirituality are also congruent with my experience of God (and everything else).

If that's not true for you, then that's not true for you.  But to me, it's as true as anything can be.  And there is no place for judgment on either of our parts.  It's really that simple.  And that's the great thing about sharing experiences with people... it builds bridges rather than walls.  No one has the same religious/spiritual experiences I do, and yet we often have very similar experiences (such as with astral projection).  

The balance of diversity and commonality among people is one of the greatest testaments to the infinite nature of the Creator.  If you can't accept and appreciate that, then I can't help but wonder how much you can have really experienced the Creator.  If you allow yourself to experience other people, and to respect their experiences, you might just arrive at a greater understanding of everything.

OK, enough of the :soapbox:


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Abraham on November 15, 2005, 05:35:42
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First off, on the subject of Jesus being God or the Son of God, you have to realize that a fundamental part of the Christian doctrine is the concept of the trinity.  That is, that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all separate entities, and yet are the same being all at once.  So Jesus can be the son of God, and God at the same time.

And for anyone who thinks that's ridiculous, I just have to say this, "Higher selves."  Same concept, different application.


First you have to prove that "higher selves" actually exist. If thats not possible then there is no point of further discussion.


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Anyways, onto this guy's tirade.  You do realize that the bible supposedly has all the exact same proofs behind it too, right?  Solid block of logic, no contradictions (I've researched a lot of the supposed ones, still have yet to find one), miracles were performed and witnessed by many a audience, blah blah.


Actually the Bible is known to have contradictions and that it wasnt "all God's word" . It is known to have verses which were written by men and not God. This is even testified to by the catholic church:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html

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I'm sure other religions have the same kinda backing, although I'm sure other ones also have contradictions, but that's not the point.

The point is, how do you know your God is the right God and not someone elses?  You are basing your entire beliefs off of some dude who pulled a book out of his butt and some supposed miracles that you never saw for yourself?  What proof has this God given to you in your life that he exists, and how do you know that they are in fact from your God and not due to another being or coincidence?


The Qur'an is proof, and the history of the Prophet Muhammad sws which was well-documented is proof. The very fact that he could not read or write, and he recited a book which is unique, eloquent and without contradiction(read it yourself) is proof that it is from the All-Knowing Creator. And if you say that its from sort of 'astral being' that too is ridiculous, for first you would have to prove the astral is actually in existence.


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Faith.  That's what it is.  You have taken your religion's supposed facts on faith, your God's existence on faith.  Christians have taken their God's existance on faith.


Islam is faith in proofs from God, Christianity is faith in a book and a concept that isnt even proven 'authentic'

American Encyclopedia:

The belief in the Oneness of God – as a theological movement – began at a very early stage in history, and in fact it preceded the belief in trinity by many decades. Christianity developed from Judaism, and Judaism firmly believes that there is one God.

The path that led from Jerusalem (the home of the first disciples of Christ) to Nicea (where it was decided in 325 CE that Christ was equal to God in essence and eternal nature) can hardly be described as a straight path.

The doctrine of trinity which was affirmed in the fourth century CE bears no resemblance to the original teachings of Christ concerning the nature of God. Au contraire, it is the opposite, a deviation from that teaching. Hence it developed in opposition to the belief in One God… (27/294).




Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Abraham on November 15, 2005, 05:52:29
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Quote from: Almost Mrs. Murphy
Abraham et al.,

I find it strange that all religions attest to the infinite nature of God, and yet so many religious followers insist that there is only one "right" definition of God.


The problem is you are speaking without any proof. First you say that God is "infinite", although you have no knowledge of that. If you  mean that He is infinite in that His knowledge encompasses everything, or that He can create what He wills, then that is a different matter. Islam says, not simply its "religious followers" that God is one and Unique

"Say (O Muhammad ()): "He is Allah, (the) One.
Allah, the Self-sufficent Master,
"He begets not, nor was He begotten;
"And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him." [Surah Al-Ikhas]

This is also testified in other 'religious texts' such as what has been attributed to Jesus in the New Testament:

“One of the teachers of the law came and noticed them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, ‘Of all the commandments, which is the most important?’

‘The most important one,’ answered Jesus, ‘is this: “Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.” [ Mark 12:28-30 – NIV ]

So by saying that only the Creator is God, or only the Sustainer of all that exists is God, or only the Being which carries certain attributes is God, is what is testified in the Old Testament, the New Testament, and the Qur'an.

Whats ridiculous is syaing that if i worship a piece of poo or a stone, then i am "worshipping a part of God" or that it will somehow "bring me closer to God". Thats ridiculous.




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It's like holding up a paper cup of ocean water and saying, "This and this alone is the ocean."  Or pointing a telescope at one small segment of the sky and saying "This and and this alone is the sky."  When you think about it that way, isn't it pretty ridiculous?


Holding up a paper cup of ocean water saying "This and this alone is the ocean" is rational. Holding up a paper cup of dirt and saying "this is god or part of god" is irrational and a complete lie. Worshipping God based upon knowledge that He is taught us is worshipping God, no matter how much "little knowledge" of Him our minds think that is. Worshipping Him based upon our own speculations and fabrications is complete nonsense.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Abraham on November 15, 2005, 06:02:01
Quote from: OATH_
Abraham,

 :sad:

Understand that the reason for our explorations is to find the truth, we seek it, good or bad, we seek it and we accept. You are one man speaking to thousands on this forum that what each of us has found is a lie.


That is why I invite every person on this forum to the religion of Al-Islaam, in hope that maybe someone will be guided by God to it, and be able to live their lives in peace and submission to Him, free from any doubt or speculation.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: thesickmoon on November 15, 2005, 06:07:40
http://www.submission.org/illiteracy.html

http://answering-islam.org.uk/Hoaxes/illiterate.html


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: thesickmoon on November 15, 2005, 06:09:25
Quote from: Abraham
Quote from: OATH_
Abraham,

 :sad:

Understand that the reason for our explorations is to find the truth, we seek it, good or bad, we seek it and we accept. You are one man speaking to thousands on this forum that what each of us has found is a lie.


That is why I invite every person on this forum to the religion of Al-Islaam, in hope that maybe someone will be guided by God to it, and be able to live their lives in peace and submission to Him, free from any doubt or speculation.


Submission? Forget it!


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: James S on November 15, 2005, 06:21:31
Your arguments only go in circles Abraham.

You continually insist that no-one here can provide you with any proof, but neither can you!

I've not yet seen one shred of proof or evidence of any kind that your own beliefs can be substantiated in any way.

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The Qur'an is proof, and the history of the Prophet Muhammad sws which was well-documented is proof.

The only real proof of the Qu'ran being historically accurate is the Quaran itself. Just like the Bible. No secular historian can substantiate either as being historically accurate.

Besides, what's the big deal with having to prove your own beliefs true, and the beliefs of others as false?
Are you that insecure in your beliefs?
Do you not realise that such futile arguments are only taking you further away from the wonderful spiritual guidance contained within the Qu'ran?
Should you not look to the teachings of the Prophet as being a source of personal guidance and inspiration, rather than a tool for criticising the beliefs of others?

Sadly, the Qu'ran, as well as the Bible, are rarely used in a way that is true to their original intent.

James.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Blackstream on November 15, 2005, 06:32:19
Quote from: Abraham

First you have to prove that "higher selves" actually exist. If thats not possible then there is no point of further discussion.

I was just explaining the Christian doctrine and putting it in terms that most astral projectors are familiar with.  Whether or not the trinity or higher selves exist is irrelevent, I was just pointing out they were similar before someone said it was dumb.

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Actually the Bible is known to have contradictions and that it wasnt "all God's word" . It is known to have verses which were written by men and not God. This is even testified to by the catholic church:http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html

The catholic church isn't representative of the Christian religion, but rather the Catholic religion.  Christian's don't give a damn if the pope says the bible isn't neccessarily completely true.  If I was a catholic, I'd either assume the church had been corrupted and go by my old teachings, or I'd dump the entire religion.  You can't live a religion not knowing what teachings are true and what teachings are false.

Anyways, for every supposed contradiction out there, there's an explaination out there on the web.  Not that it really matters, because this is about your religion, not mine.

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The Qur'an is proof, and the history of the Prophet Muhammad sws which was well-documented is proof. The very fact that he could not read or write, and he recited a book which is unique, eloquent and without contradiction(read it yourself) is proof that it is from the All-Knowing Creator. And if you say that its from sort of 'astral being' that too is ridiculous, for first you would have to prove the astral is actually in existence.

You base this proof on an assumption.  That is, that it proves the existance of God.  All it proves is that Muhammad uttered something that was a solid block of logic (supposedly, I haven't looked into the religion to see if this is actually the case).  This proves nothing else.  

Anything else from there is a deduction on your part.  You see this and see an all-mighty creator.  However, another explaination could be a trickster devil called Satan whose trying to create a false religion to confuse the masses.  He whispers this full book into his ear, word for word (and Satan would be more than smart enough to make sure it didn't have contradictions, and give it predictions that should come true and odd facts that no one should know).  

Another explaination could be a God residing on the astral realm giving this stuff out.  Another explaination could be somebody behind the scenes helping him.  Magicians do crazy stuff all the time in front of live audiences.  You weren't there, you don't know what might have really happened.  

If you say you have to prove the existance of the astral realm in order for that explaination to be valid, then heck, I want you to prove the existance of God and heaven for your explaination to be valid.  

Demanding we give proof for the existance of what we believe, while you don't have to give proof of what you believe because you think your side is obviously true is completely unfair.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: knightlight on November 15, 2005, 08:25:40
Why are you all wasting your time arguing with him???? Dont you think as an online community that we have more important things at hand???  Abraham:   Why do you come to a forum that is so different from your beliefs and try to change our viewpoint?  I am sorry if you feel you are here to shed the light onto us and our sorcerous and pagan beliefs but its all for not!!!!  Can't you see that?  This forum is for open minded and exploratory reasons, not some dogmatic justification or forcing of views on others.  Kindly find another place to spread your hate and leave us to our own devices.  

I have come so far simply from opening up to new ideas and exploring myself and my beliefs, I am sorry you cant feel the same.  Its a dog eat dog world out there, even when it comes to beliefs and I am sorry not everyone can feel the same way you can.  We are a tight community here. Claiming we are false gods and saying we are on crack isnt the way to an open and welcomed dialog here.  Dont you see the hate and confrontational nature of your posts?  The blind irrational nature of your beliefs?  Please.... spare the members here your time and move on.

If you wish to challenge us and post your own experiences feel free, but until then kindly mosey on to greener pastures.   Thanks.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Leyla on November 15, 2005, 08:38:44
They shall recline on couches ranged in rows. To dark-eyed houris [virgin girls] We shall wed them. . . . Fruit We shall give them, and such meats as they desire... and there shall wait on them young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls.
Q 52:13-24

They shall be attended by boys graced with eternal youth, who to the beholders eyes will seem like sprinkled pearls. When you gave upon that scene, you will behold a kingdom blissful and glorious.
Q 76:9-20

They are to cohabit with demure virgins...as beauteous as corals and rubies...full-breasted maidens for playmates...in the gardens of delight.... They're to lie face to face on jewelled couches, and be serviced by immortal youths...young boys, their personal property, as comely as virgin pearls.... We created the houris [dancing girls] and made them virgins, carnal playmates for those on the right hand.... We are going to wed them to dark-eyed houris. [The Koran 55:56; 55:58; 78:33; 56:12; 52:16-17, 24; 56:35-38; 52:20]

Each Muslim man, in exchange for a lifetime of mindless obedience, will be rewarded after death with an unspecified number of pretty boys to bugger, who never grow up,  plus eight heavenly houris who magically re-grow their hymens so that he can deflower them over and over for eternity.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: OATH_ on November 15, 2005, 12:15:58
Quote from: Abraham
Quote from: OATH_
Abraham,

 :sad:

Understand that the reason for our explorations is to find the truth, we seek it, good or bad, we seek it and we accept. You are one man speaking to thousands on this forum that what each of us has found is a lie.


That is why I invite every person on this forum to the religion of Al-Islaam, in hope that maybe someone will be guided by God to it, and be able to live their lives in peace and submission to Him, free from any doubt or speculation.



Hmmm ok. Well I decline, and im pretty sure just about everyone else has, are you aware of this or are you too far deep and confused yourself?

I went to see god yesterday. I saw his spirit, it was golden brilliance, and it didnt have any real shape or form. I have never heard anything where god calls himself allah. I have heard Jah (as in Jehova?--samuljah. samael-poisen of god) and el and he has never said anything to the contrary when I call him god. I claim no religion, I believe in god and try to please him...make him happy of me. again trying to force people, if they ask tell them, if not leave everyone alone you are only causing problems. although I do think this is a good topic and gives me a chance to look deeper into the subject matter and share my views with everyone else  :smile:


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: kailaurius on November 15, 2005, 14:03:49
I was just curious.  What's so important about proof?  Is it to satisfy the ego?  I was just wondering.

Abraham, I have a question.  Well actually I guess this question is also for those that focus on a religious sect like christianity, muslim, islam, etc.  What happens if I don't follow God?


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: kailaurius on November 15, 2005, 14:06:45
Quote from: knightlight
Why are you all wasting your time arguing with him???? Dont you think as an online community that we have more important things at hand???  Abraham:   Why do you come to a forum that is so different from your beliefs and try to change our viewpoint?  I am sorry if you feel you are here to shed the light onto us and our sorcerous and pagan beliefs but its all for not!!!!  Can't you see that?  This forum is for open minded and exploratory reasons, not some dogmatic justification or forcing of views on others.  Kindly find another place to spread your hate and leave us to our own devices.  

I have come so far simply from opening up to new ideas and exploring myself and my beliefs, I am sorry you cant feel the same.  Its a dog eat dog world out there, even when it comes to beliefs and I am sorry not everyone can feel the same way you can.  We are a tight community here. Claiming we are false gods and saying we are on crack isnt the way to an open and welcomed dialog here.  Dont you see the hate and confrontational nature of your posts?  The blind irrational nature of your beliefs?  Please.... spare the members here your time and move on.

If you wish to challenge us and post your own experiences feel free, but until then kindly mosey on to greener pastures.   Thanks.


Hehe, yeah this is pretty much a pointless thread, but atm moment it's kind of fun to play around with.

Oh, and sorry for the double post.  I was making a reply from page 6 then saw page 7, lol.  :lol:


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Hans Solo on November 15, 2005, 15:47:03
Abraham-

  I agree that many people here jump to conclusion based upon focus 2 experiences, however I commend them for the simple act of seeking the truth and not following the dogma of religions that are so entrenched in politics to loose most aspect of spirituality.

However, I laughed so hard at your original post and was waiting for someone on here to catch on to the glaring irony of your post/beliefs.  Almost the entire religion of Islam is based off of Muhammad's travel through the heavens and hells, which is MOST DEFINITELY an astral travel (Focus 2 or 3 is debatable).  I find it amusing that you would criticize people here for doing the exact same thing that Muhammad did.  

The only difference I see is that the members here are not lobbying the Christian faith to be pronounced a profit, and after being denied vowing to destroy the Christian faith.  I think Muhammad had a bit of a chip on his shoulder after this rejection by the Christian church.(praise be to him in heaven).

I love you though, you make me laugh.

Han


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Heather B. on November 15, 2005, 16:56:56
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Holding up a paper cup of ocean water saying "This and this alone is the ocean" is rational.


Well, I think this just about says it all.  What about the ocean water on the other side of the world?  Or miles beneath the surface in regions no human has ever visited?  If the ocean is so unfathomable, don't you think God is infinitely more so?  I believe in God as I've experienced Him, and while I do happen to be a practicing Catholic because it upholds and verifies my experience of God more than other denominations or religions do, my experience of God is my own truth, and no one will ever convince me it's false.  Nor do I remotely care to try to win others over to my personal truth, because that would just be arrogant and narrow-minded.

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That is why I invite every person on this forum to the religion of Al-Islaam, in hope that maybe someone will be guided by God to it, and be able to live their lives in peace and submission to Him, free from any doubt or speculation.


If the Koran itself didn't make a Muslim of me (and yes, I did give it a chance), neither you nor anyone else will, either.  I already live my life in peace and submission to God, free from doubt and speculation--if I didn't I probably wouldn't be here right now.  No religion, culture, philosophy, or nation has a monopoly on that.  If you love Islam and your fellow Muslims so much, why don't you concern yourself more with them, and less with us?  Why not try to change the hearts of terrorists and dictators, and provide relief to the innocent people who have been oppressed, murdered, and tortured by them in their own homelands, rather than try to interfere with perfectly decent, intelligent, and peaceful people who are just minding their own business in their own Web forums?

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Well actually I guess this question is also for those that focus on a religious sect like christianity, muslim, islam, etc. What happens if I don't follow God?


Dear Kailaurius, one of the most important distinctions anyone can make is that between following religion and following God.  Religion doesn't always lead one to knowledge of God.  And not everyone who seeks (and finds) knowledge of God adheres to a religion.  There are lots of people out there who disagree with this, of course, but there are also plenty of us who disagree with them.  The disagreements themselves are a good indicator of how imperfect religion as a whole is.  It goes back to my analogy of definining the ocean by a cupful of water... lots of people like to do that with God, and they create entire religions around it.  The religions are really just about the cup of water, not the whole ocean.  And I assure you that lots of religious people understand this!  I hope that helps!  :smile:


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Souljah333 on November 15, 2005, 17:30:19
i was waiting for someone to get to the virgins. i'm not going to comment on that, but it's the glitch for me in all religions...the prize at the end of the party for good behavior. and when people start talking about books actually 'authored' by GOD 'himself'...well...they're always awfully large books to swallow whole.

something inside always wants to take it to the lowest common denominator. in my mind there is always an island with two completely innocent/ignorant, knowledge-less youth (male & female) in a succulent paradise that they eventually populate with family, and then somehow it fast-forwards (koyaanisqatski style) to our current situation.

when once it was all so simple. the sun rising each morning setting a rhythm, the moon waxing & waining and it's subtle effects of the tides, the seasons...when certain plants & trees blossomed into flower, gave way to fruits, then seeds...that sprouted and began again. no concept of god, just your own "relationship" with the world around you. nothing separate...everything effecting everything. but somehow in the little similarities of 'this & that', patterns were established, conclusions and preferences were made and things began to separate into likes and dislikes.

i think of that time as 'a place before fear'...as i stand here on the opposite side of existences looking back over all that lays in between. nothing has changed...just our mind-set. i have no idea when GOD actually came on the scene as a white-bearded old man that oversees all...that rewards reverence with virgins, and punishes with pestilence?!? with all the common sense i have...i can't help but think that mother earth/nature came first...as the natural world, it's cycles, mystery and nurturing sustenance...is the total embodiment of the feminine. it only makes sense that the representation of 'both' aspects (male & female) were present when the idle past time of worship came into play.

again i see where the male-based 'religions' (belief systems) worked best to manipulate and control larger populations with 'fear of the unknown', keeping everyone in line with reward of the after-life, etc. divine systems functioned more in the here 'n' now, with the earth as home, etc. it fed, and healed, and treated all inhabitants as equally responsible...and was therefore buried along the way. you can't run a tight ship with some all-embracing/all-forgiving female in the way!

yada-yada-yada...just a fragment of my perspective.

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The Qur'an is proof, and the history of the Prophet Muhammad sws which was well-documented is proof. The very fact that he could not read or write, and he recited a book which is unique, eloquent and without contradiction(read it yourself) is proof that it is from the All-Knowing Creator.


or ALIENS! :wink:
give me proof that GOD exists, and i WILL introduce you to a very interesting group of extra-terrestrials!!!

i'll say i'm a "non-believer" only bcuz my function does not rely solely on what "I" believe to be going on, nor does it require a support system of like-minds to validate my experience, nor does it require proof.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Greenrat on November 15, 2005, 18:11:45
abraham = fake

get over it.

its just some guy doing what he can to make muslims seem like lunatics.

and why argue if he's for real? its obvious nothings gonna make him broaden his beleifs so your wasting your time.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Draege on November 15, 2005, 18:33:53
So much confusion on this thread. From reading Abraham's posts as well as most others offering serious debate I think you guys actually agree to alot more than you realize. First of all God is just a title. God as a sentient being, would not have a name for himself. Assuming God is even aware of himself, which is just as likely as not likely, (hard to explain, but I could basically see it as complete outward focus of attention, creating and knowing only the creation itself) he likely does not have a name for himself. Assuming he does in fact know all (all that is all of existance as has been created from him) he is likely intelligent and wise beyond our comprehension. Or perhaps we who are created in his image so says the bible, so we could be just as capable of his intelligence/wisdom... we also have the ability of creation (dreams? not to mention the idea that we mold our own reality either individually or collectively). Even in that theory if we are pieces of God and he is the top of the pyramid so to speak he would collectively have our minds and thus LIKELY be much superior in knowing and wisdom. Regardless of which theory you arrive at, in your theory you must agree that God is not petty enough to care about things as silly as human practices involving religion, what name they worship God under, etc.. In fact I HIGHLY doubt God has created all that is in order to be worshipped or praised. Some would argue that regardless of whether he wanted us to, he deserves it? Perhaps, but I imagine if that were the case he'd much rather us just live our lives that he has given us- would that not be praise enough. On the virgins topic I think that's simply meant as an example of Heaven not necessarily meant to be taken literally. As is much of each religious book. Ultimately they are written by human men (and women =p), and that in itself guarantees flaws. They are useful to put us on that road towards meeting/understanding God but I think the true road lies in self-discovery and not in following those books word for word. Use your mind, the greatest gift God has given you. Search for him within YOU, and not within a book. There you'll find all the answers you need. Question everything that is outside of yourself- which is the entire world.

Sadly I can't write nearly nearly nearly as much as I would like to on this subject. I already forgot 3/4 of what I was planning to write before I started my post. And I apologize for the lack of paragraphs.

(Btw, these are just some of the many possible ideas/scenarios and do not represent what I personally believe on the topic.)


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Ybom on November 15, 2005, 19:38:19
Quote from: Blackstream
Demanding we give proof for the existance of what we believe, while you don't have to give proof of what you believe because you think your side is obviously true is completely unfair.

The concept of fair and unfair is for another topic. Unfortunately, I think focusing on them is only useful if you can convince others to their guidelines.

Cliche #028974326: Life is unfair. Deal with it.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Leyla on November 15, 2005, 20:40:21
Souljah333 - I also find it interesting that my post was ignored.

You and I, as women, are apparently the only ones who would be horrofied by the idea of "heaven" as having your virginity painfully torn open over and over again, for eternity.

(I will make no comment about the pretty little boys.)


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Nay on November 16, 2005, 02:07:15
Quote from: Leyla
Souljah333 - I also find it interesting that my post was ignored.

You and I, as women, are apparently the only ones who would be horrofied by the idea of "heaven" as having your virginity painfully torn open over and over again, for eternity.

(I will make no comment about the pretty little boys.)


Hahahaha!!!

Didn't we burn our bras to become equal?   Consider it the boys ignoring ya'll......just like one of the guys.  :wink:

Me, myself and I, enjoy being one of the guys.  You can burp loudly and tell dirty jokes!  

Womens lib is so much different in these fanciful times.  I'll allow you to open the door for me........as long as I don't get there first, in that case, I'll open it.  :wink:

Nay


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Heather B. on November 16, 2005, 04:22:05
Really, what is there to say?  That whole notion is vile and abhorrent and the #1 reason I wrote Islam off in high school.  Yeah, I really believe that's the word of God.  :roll:  I've always wondered what that means to Muslim women.  By the sound of it, they don't get to experience Heaven.

Nay, I always seem to get the best of both worlds... the men in my life respect me and treat me as a lady, but also like it when I am not-so-ladylike.  I think it puts them at ease.  And I can generally get away with behaving any way I please. :mrgreen:


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Blackstream on November 16, 2005, 06:15:57
Quote from: Ybom
Quote from: Blackstream
Demanding we give proof for the existance of what we believe, while you don't have to give proof of what you believe because you think your side is obviously true is completely unfair.

The concept of fair and unfair is for another topic. Unfortunately, I think focusing on them is only useful if you can convince others to their guidelines.

Cliche #028974326: Life is unfair. Deal with it.


Why are you nitpicking on one word?  You could put many other words there that work just as well.  Hypocritical, ironic, faulty reasoning, circular logic, and so on.  When it comes right down to it, he's doing exactly the same thing he's accusing us of doing.  That is, taking experiences and assuming things about them because they are obviously so (to the observer).


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Tayesin on November 16, 2005, 11:05:50
It's such a sad thing that each religion will wage a war of words against all others in order to prove that they are the one true way.

Instead of fighting over the differences, why not rejoice in what is the same in them all ?

If a creative force of awareness (a God) created all things, it used it's own force to do so...  very possibly by disseminating that same force so that things became manifest from it.  If this is so, then the things that were manifest must also have that same force within them, being a part of the creation.

All the rest is man-made semantics and as such is not worthy of any lowly discussion about it.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Souljah333 on November 16, 2005, 11:34:32
dear leyla...for sure not a good idea to bring up the subject of little boys when arguing the islamic religion!!! the catholic religion either!

it's the contradictions that always get under my skin. it goes past the male and female thing, although i could easily say "that only man would attempt to define GOD, and get it published" (which isn't as true nowadays. now that they're allowing 'us' to attend temples/churches/schools/the work force and such). to me it has more to do with the intellectual, which has nothing to do with the natural creativeloveintelligence that flows through ALL and defines itself in everything physical & etheric. i'm speaking of 'implied' intelligence only...special men, that start special clubs, and work first and foremost to keep the most valuable information they have secret, and that's been around longer than any book.

i have nothing against religion. some people 'really' need it..like some people really need psycho-tropic drugs, or documents they can hang on their wall that say they're 'somebody' significant. i have a hard time buying into/supporting and taking responsibility for systems where the most valuable information is reserved for the folks at the top of the pyramid. still...a player or not...we're all bricks in the wall. most of us too consumed in our daily lives to bother with fighting for real freedom. the truth is less likely to come out under the massive control that is situating itself currently...but that's also when it tends to happen...when those who make the rules get comfortable and arrogant, and leave the back door unlocked.

anyway...as for the other female perspectives here...
i've always felt it completely ignorant to try and evaluate the mind-set of muslim women. when i see american women on tv speaking on "behalf" of their middle-eastern sisters...it really irks me. first, the cultural difference that we couldn't even begin to grasp from such a distance, and second... that we occupy no better a situation (in the large scale of things).
i have little interest in equal rights...it's something i feel is earned, not granted. my perspective is...neither men or women are capable of absolute respect (the purest form of love), bcuz they lack a 'whole' sense of respect for themselves. common courtesies are more pavlovic, although there's little wrong with the basic 'feel' good programming...it's when it begins to become reserved for 'particular/special' others...that it creates rifts for me.

i dont' enjoy being one of the guys, or one of the ladies for that matter.
i just enjoy being myself...undefined.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: clandestino on November 16, 2005, 14:24:05
Hey there souljah333 !

Quote from: Souljah333

i have nothing against religion.


I agree - But I often find it hard, when confronted with aspects of religion I don't understand. I still find myself saying "that's wrong".  But I believe that I   should be saying to myself "I think that's wrong".  Its hard to differentiate between the two !

I guess what I'm trying to say, is that all religions have good and bad aspects. I like to pick & choose from all religions, taking on board the things I find valuable, & discarding the things I find outdated / sexist / inhumane/etc.

Like you, I'm not a big fan of equal rights - I prefer the law of the jungle. Whether its the man or the woman who ends up more powerful, so be it !
 :grin:


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: thesickmoon on November 16, 2005, 16:14:28
Quote from: Souljah333
dear leyla...for sure not a good idea to bring up the subject of little boys when arguing the islamic religion!!! the catholic religion either!

it's the contradictions that always get under my skin. it goes past the male and female thing, although i could easily say "that only man would attempt to define GOD, and get it published" (which isn't as true nowadays. now that they're allowing 'us' to attend temples/churches/schools/the work force and such). to me it has more to do with the intellectual, which has nothing to do with the natural creativeloveintelligence that flows through ALL and defines itself in everything physical & etheric. i'm speaking of 'implied' intelligence only...special men, that start special clubs, and work first and foremost to keep the most valuable information they have secret, and that's been around longer than any book.


All right. Now you're scaring me. What sort of special men with special clubs have what kind of secret information? I don't like it when they do that. And-- I'm really slow, so please bear with me here-- what's been around longer than any book?

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i have nothing against religion. some people 'really' need it..like some people really need psycho-tropic drugs, or documents they can hang on their wall that say they're 'somebody' significant. i have a hard time buying into/supporting and taking responsibility for systems where the most valuable information is reserved for the folks at the top of the pyramid. still...a player or not...we're all bricks in the wall. most of us too consumed in our daily lives to bother with fighting for real freedom. the truth is less likely to come out under the massive control that is situating itself currently...but that's also when it tends to happen...when those who make the rules get comfortable and arrogant, and leave the back door unlocked.


Ok, you mentioned a pyramid. Do you mean, like, Amway or Alticor or  Quixtar? Did you mean one of those types of pyramids-- just a pyramid scheme, or something more Egyptian?

And what control is situating itself? See, I've been reading this one essay at Lew Rockwell. It's about umm... Well, I just read it two days ago, so now I've already forgotten what it's all about. But it was scary. If I remember what it was about, I'll mention it.

And who's making the rules? And what rules, for that matter? And what back door are they going to leave unlocked? Would they happen to have a big screen TV, and where do they live?

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anyway...as for the other female perspectives here...
i've always felt it completely ignorant to try and evaluate the mind-set of muslim women. when i see american women on tv speaking on "behalf" of their middle-eastern sisters...it really irks me. first, the cultural difference that we couldn't even begin to grasp from such a distance, and second... that we occupy no better a situation (in the large scale of things).
i have little interest in equal rights...it's something i feel is earned, not granted. my perspective is...neither men or women are capable of absolute respect (the purest form of love), bcuz they lack a 'whole' sense of respect for themselves. common courtesies are more pavlovic, although there's little wrong with the basic 'feel' good programming...it's when it begins to become reserved for 'particular/special' others...that it creates rifts for me.


Who are the particular and special others? Also, some people are able to grasp cul MARSHALL LAW!!! That's what that Lew Rockwell article was about. I can't remember the author's name, but boy, was it scary! See, I live in the US. And we just can't have marshall law here. Not in Texas, anyway. That would just ruin everything.

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i dont' enjoy being one of the guys, or one of the ladies for that matter.
i just enjoy being myself...undefined.


Oh, c'mon, now! Everyone's got a definition for themselves. Especially if you're just a computer program. Programmers have to name their identifiers and modules and classes and functions and all that. Everybody's got one. What's yours?


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Kazbadan on November 17, 2005, 20:37:28
What do you mean by "revelation"? How do you reach it? What do you feel and how its life with it? I made this questions because you said that you are muslim and i am curious about your religion, since i know little about it. Tell me more. :)


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Souljah333 on November 18, 2005, 13:50:07
dear clandestino,

as you say forgetting is so long...and i think it's the short term/immediate gratification/apathetic type mind that causes this to perpetuate or be drawn out, time and time again. it's understandable in a way...people just too overwhelmed by all the history, all the possibilities before them, and the conditioning to always pick the right combination. it's impossible now days, and i feel it definitely leads to that stagnated/limbo like lifestyle.

for the most part people don't respect the aspects of themselves that 'make mistakes' (the instinctive parts of themselves that strive to learn through first hand application/trial 'n' error). it's more that they remove themselves further and further each time...from the things that are uncomfortable (both within & without). for me this speaks of an immature population that has very little interest in bringing about change through good, honest, hard work & common sense. to me people are growing more lazy and becoming more interested in 'package' deals, and anything cheap, disposable, amusing, status grabbing. they want the whole shebang in a pretty little gift-wrapped box...and they want it for free.

i'm a huge advocate for thinking outside-the-box, and like you mentioned...the picking and choosing for what suits you most at this time, and the open-mindedness to change that as needed...and the wisdom to know the difference between what is needed and what's a trend :wink:  that's too much work for most. they'll just wait till you catch on to something that appears 'good' and then they'll scoop it up.

the gentrification of the physical, mental, and spiritual realms drives me nut-so and follows me around like the shadows of something parasitic and greedy. artists living in the broke-down industrial warehouses and meat-packing districts...bcuz that's all they can afford and still do they're art, and follow their passions...then a few years later, the funkiness catches on, and the warehouses are converted into 1.5 million dollar 'lofts' and the people that revitalized & brought 'life' into the area are forced to move on to find more creative, cheaper digs...and then the once 'happening' area bcomes a sham. it's happening everywhere, on all sorts of levels. no respect for those that reach into the unknown and draw something unique out of it, and tend to it mindfully, offer up to share, etc before it's sniffed out by the mindless, gobbled up and spit out...so the next thing can be devoured.

i really feel that a small percentage of 'us' go around and around in circles working this type of 'magic'. piecing back-together all the things that have been diluted, homogenized and mass-replicated, and tossed aside. weaving back together all that has been pulled apart for the 'truth' (which has become synonymous with self-gratification).

obladee-obladaa :roll:
soul
here's to a come-back of corporal mortification!  :wink:  seriously!


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Ben K on November 18, 2005, 23:35:42
Quote from: clandestino
Hey there souljah333 !

Quote from: Souljah333

i have nothing against religion.


I agree - But I often find it hard, when confronted with aspects of religion I don't understand. I still find myself saying "that's wrong".  But I believe that I   should be saying to myself "I think that's wrong".  Its hard to differentiate between the two !


You didnt get the memo? Theres no difference!

We CREATE OUR OWN REALITY! That means anything YOU believe to be true, is true, and anything you DONT believe to be true, isnt!


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Souljah333 on November 18, 2005, 23:59:17
dear sickmoon,

secret societies i was speaking of, inclusive of the pyramid scheme...all of which work the same way...whether we're speaking of am-way, the masons, the illuminati, or the red hat ladies (yes women are involved as well eg: eastern stars, independent order of the daughters of the empire, etc). the pyramid representing the pinnacle of power that stands on the backs of all the little people. the 1% that owns 99% of the wealth, the folks that make the rules, have the heaviest agendas, and keep their 'truths' locked in the darkest & deepest of basements.

who's making the rules, and what rules? good question. following the money is usually the best place to start...the only part (anyway) that's available to the general public. most of the rules have to do with controlling the population. bcuz at the other end of it all...there's 99% 'have-notter's", and those aren't good odds. the "rulers" are all about strategy imho, and they're amazing at it...constantly working to recruit the greatest minds on earth into their little secret circles. they actually build universities in order to skim the intellectual cream from the pot.

before now...secret societies merely appeared as harmless 'clubs' of great thinkers with over-burden wallets...now the idea is far less benign, as a secret global government that functions under the radar to carry out new world conspiracies. i live in the US as well, and looking down the road a ways...i also see a very scary situation we'll ALL eventually will have to deal with on some level. on the other hand we're too dependent on the powers that be, too complacent, too trusting, and too distracted. more so in the last five years than ever. there isn't a day that goes by that laws aren't being changed to limit our rights, and work us into a corner. on a whole...we're going to get exactly what we ordered...nothing.

not sure that answered any of your questions!?! in this area there are few real answers, just more and more questions.

soul


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Time Traveler on November 21, 2005, 18:21:50
Quote from: Abraham
Lol.

Im not Christian. Who said Im christian? I'm Muslim.
Christians are pagans also.


Muslims are terrorists...so your opinion means nothing to me.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: James S on November 21, 2005, 22:17:40
Quote from: Time Traveler

Muslims are terrorists...so your opinion means nothing to me.

Careful here Time Traveller.
Its sentiments like these that tend to perpetuate hatred.

Saying Muslims are terrorists is like Microsoft making Outlook filter out all .exe file attachments from emails because some viruses come as .exe files. It's a generalisation that can tend to casue problems.

James.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: intergalactic on November 22, 2005, 00:52:40
:eyetwitch:


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Ivaldi on November 22, 2005, 16:24:30
Quote from: Abraham

If you dont like hatred, move on. God isnt Love. God loves and He hates. He gave you the ability to choose. You choose Him, He will grant u heaven. You choose other than Him, He will grant you Hell.

May God guide us all and save us from the filth of paganism, spiritual crack, and mental retardation.


-Abraham



 When a human wants to become more your god sends them to hell. Why waste time in heaven or hell when you could go beyond those.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Hannah b on November 22, 2005, 19:20:06
Quote from: Ivaldi

 Why waste time in heaven or hell when you could go beyond those.


 :peace: I absolutely agree with this one..thank you Ivaldi!


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: jason on November 23, 2005, 00:00:10
Quote from: Selski
* Sarah wonders whether she should reply to this thread *

Realises she really can't be bothered, knowing it would be futile.


Ditto.


& +1 for what Ivaldi said!

IT'S ABOUT  :brave:


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Blackstream on November 23, 2005, 06:12:50
The original poster is long gone, I think you guys are just wasting your time now :p


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: FEMMSTARR on November 25, 2005, 11:57:42
Quote from: James S
* James looks at Sarah's post and thinks she's right, but decides to say something anyway*

Abraham,

The truth of God is demonstrated through the love and acceptence of all His creation. All are perfect in God's eyes!

The Astral Pulse Forums are open to all Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, Taoists, Wiccans, Spiritualists, Satanists, Odinists, Atheists and any other belief, sect, cult, religion, creed or philosophy.

We are here to talk about experiences NOT dogmas.

James.

we may be but he is not lol
just another instigator I see them all the time dont let him cause division amongs you all


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: MFInsane on November 26, 2005, 06:50:08
WOW!!!

Well, here's my 2 cents;

Abraham,
  I think you have a  misconception about Christianity. Like Muhammad was, Jesus was also a messenger for GOD. The writings in the Bible state nothing about worshiping Jesus, only following the morals and laws he gave to us by GOD.
 Jesus was a prophet given to us by GOD to help put us on the right spiritual path. This is also what Muhammad did for you.
 In fact The Lords Prayer says nothing about Jesus in it, yet Jesus gave us that prayer. Jesus, like Muhammad wants us to love others, be good, ect.. Jesus also wants us to worship God, not him, but only GOD.
 Anyone that worships Jesus and not GOD is not a Christian, but very mislead.

 It does not matter how you came to GOD, whether by Jesus, Muhammad or the crazy man on the street corner. What matters is that you know he is almighty and hod him higher than anything else in this world.
 There are many stairway that lead to heaven. We can take anyone of them. Just as long as we do, that is what is important.


As for obe/ap affecting spirituality;
 I became aware of GOD more after I started having these experiences. In fact I pray and ask GOD for guidance threw them at times.

 I also think allot of people have ap's and think they are LD's, and the opposite. The difference between the two is in any dream you can not take control of it or be in a state of full consciousness. In an ap you can change anything at any time by just thinking about it.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Wronski Feint on November 29, 2005, 00:41:46
Thats somthing really funny about the universe...its all based on perspective.  

The truth is never really true, and you will never find the truth.  Abraham, you read the muslim bible and live by it, correct?  Well that bible was interpreted by a man.  Its like translating japanease to english, translate what you can, and fill in the rest so that it makes sense.  That is only one of my points.  Next, IF the bible has not been tainted by the mind of man, then its comming strait from god.  So youre living your life from close to god's perspective on how things are and should be.  Now, im sure god has a better perspective than us, but id rather see things for myself and use the bible as loose guidlines.  This is where our stupid 'experiences' come in and your 'truth' goes out.  Cause once you start to see the world for yourself, from your own perspective, all you have is what you see and feel.   Most people choose to go bye the bible, or laws, or some kind of religion to tell them how their life should be, i refuse to.  God gave me that choice, he realizes that his perspective isnt right for everyone.  This is just MY perspective on things, your universe could be very differnt from mine.

NOTE: And because sombody beleives somthing differnt from you, dosnt make them wrong, they just look wrong to you.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Veral42 on November 29, 2005, 04:26:10
Dude, if ya wanna preach "rightiousness" and "truth" then do it another place.


Title: The False-gods of astral pulse
Post by: Blackstream on November 29, 2005, 05:14:13
Quote from: Veral42
Dude, if ya wanna preach "rightiousness" and "truth" then do it another place.


He has, his last post in this topic was 13 days ago (nov 15th).  I think it's safe to say he's gone.