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Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: sally2004 on February 26, 2006, 07:11:23
Twice, while asleep, I'm dreaming that I'm having sex.  I've dreamt that I've had sex with people before, but I've never felt anything before.  Lately, I can feel the movements and the orgasms--it's surreal!  Both times, it's awoken me, and both times, my heart is racing.

I'm a little embarrassed by it.  I've been happily married for almost 12 years.  Since I'm not actually seeing what I'm dreaming, I don't know if I'm having sex with my DH.  I can't explain it.

What do you all think?

Sally


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on February 26, 2006, 10:45:49
What is your "DH?" My initials are D. H.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on February 26, 2006, 12:53:52
Dear Husband?


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on February 26, 2006, 18:06:51
But the body tells that all the time .
After all it's the way the body finds to perpetuate it's line of genes.
f we didn't control it we would be frigging sex animals lol.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on February 26, 2006, 18:50:07
lol,I don't have sex deams with orgasms.at the moment that is.(i had  that when i was little)

what i have is sexual dreams every time i actually manage to have a dream,and I'm plagued by thoughts of sex all of the time,
but that's because i refuse to let my physical desires take the best of me,so if you think she's having those dreams because her body wants sex,now imagine my situation where my body has never had sex XD.

Oh yeah,i don't masturbate either so you can imagine all the sexual tension building up xD

anyway,this way of approach does cause me physical pain,but the time Will lcome when my body won't desire sex,and i won't have the "normal" human reactions.Erections etc.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on February 26, 2006, 19:40:44
Because i don't want to succumb to my Animalistic desires.

And mainly  because masturbation leads to ejaculation,Ejaculation leads to pleasure.And pleasure leads to wanting more,thus creating desire.

Desire is the source of all suffering .by not  knowing any pleasure i don't and thus i don't suffer.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on February 26, 2006, 19:46:39
Nah,it's good for humans but i want to achieve something greater =)


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on February 26, 2006, 19:59:54
Wouldn't  it be for the best if Adolf Hitler Supressed his  desires?=)


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on February 26, 2006, 20:06:48
Well,no,but we all have those instints,isn't the right thing to do,that is t ocontrol those desires/impulses? same thing goes for  sexualism =)

i'm actually rather jealous of the people who are asexual =D


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: sally2004 on February 26, 2006, 21:03:09
Yes, DH stands for darling or dear husband.  If I'm ticked, it's damn husband  :grin: .

I'm not complaining, not really, I've just never had that kind of dream before where you can feel everything!  The orgasms are real because the last time I had one of those dreams, I went to the restroom, and I was soaked.  Sorry, I don't mean to be graphic  :shock: .

Thanks for listening.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on February 26, 2006, 23:47:31
Quote from: runlola
Quote from: El-Bortukali
Well,no,but we all have those instints,isn't the right thing to do,that is t ocontrol those desires/impulses? same thing goes for sexualism =)



well, it's like this...you can control your desire to overeat but you still
need to eat. There has to be a balance or you cause an imbalance somewhere else...


Actually there's a difference between the two acts.

You need food to survive,you don't need sex to survive.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on February 27, 2006, 04:48:49
Whoooooooooooooooooo hhhhhhoooooooooooooooooooooooo another thread about masturbation! Now, I know it didn't start out as such, but, ya know...

I don't think there's anything "wrong" with our "animalistic desires." No frakkin' way!


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on February 27, 2006, 04:52:44
Quote from: El-Bortukali
Hitler


Godwin's Law.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: The Present Moment on February 27, 2006, 05:08:49
Quote from: El-Bortukali
Because i don't want to succumb to my Animalistic desires.

And mainly  because masturbation leads to ejaculation,Ejaculation leads to pleasure.And pleasure leads to wanting more,thus creating desire.

Desire is the source of all suffering .by not  knowing any pleasure i don't and thus i don't suffer.

You are adding another, more stressful attachment to the existing one (sexual desire). Be like a rock, and the water will carve you out.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on February 27, 2006, 15:27:50
Quote from: runlola
you could say humans need sex to survive, otherwise there would be
no more humans (primitively speaking)


I was just giving an example...you deny yourself any sexual release
but then you are bombarded with sexual thoughts...I am not sure
what is worse? But that is what you choose & that's fine, as long as you are comfortable, all is well.



Well,but i have no intention of having children.And it seems you are talking about me rather than the whole Human specie =o
So as you can see  i don't need sex =)

And i'm the one in control o ver here,my mind orders and my body obeys,if it doesn't like it,too bad. :lol:

The genetic science is going to replace sex as the primary means of reproducing..it may take 50 years,100,or 200 years it doesn't matter.it's going to happen, it's called Evolution Baby =D
I guess people will still use sex  as a recreation drug,but who knows it can dissapear ;)


well,it sucks it's true,but i'm becoming immune to it.


Quote from: thesickmoon
Whoooooooooooooooooo hhhhhhoooooooooooooooooooooooo another thread about masturbation! Now, I know it didn't start out as such, but, ya know...

I don't think there's anything "wrong" with our "animalistic desires." No frakkin' way!


Did i say there's something wrong?
I'm talking about my specific case,i ain't talking about other people lol.

people's solutions to achieve Perfection are different.
oh on another sort of animalistc desires:

Tell that to the victims of Serial killers,after all they(the serial killers) were just following their ""animalistic controls" ;)


oh what does Godwin law's have anything to do with my attitude towards sex? I'm lost lol.


But like i said,i don't condemn sex,i don't have issues towards,if people want to practice it,fine, people have that right,just practice safe sex,i just find it archaic and not necessary anymore on the short/medium term. =D


is there such a thing as a "masturbation" thread on this forum i gotta read it,i have the feeling it's gonna be fun =p


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on February 27, 2006, 16:18:32
Quote from: El-Bortukali



Quote from: thesickmoon
Whoooooooooooooooooo hhhhhhoooooooooooooooooooooooo another thread about masturbation! Now, I know it didn't start out as such, but, ya know...

I don't think there's anything "wrong" with our "animalistic desires." No frakkin' way!


Did i say there's something wrong?
I'm talking about my specific case,i ain't talking about other people lol.

people's solutions to achieve Perfection are different.
oh on another sort of animalistc desires:

Tell that to the victims of Serial killers,after all they(the serial killers) were just following their ""animalistic controls" ;)


No. YOU tell them. And pick up a copy of "Animalize" by KISS; then you'll understand.

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oh what does Godwin law's have anything to do with my attitude towards sex? I'm lost lol.


It doesn't have anything to do with sex. It has to do with Hitler.

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But like i said,i don't condemn sex,i don't have issues towards,if people want to practice it,fine, people have that right,just practice safe sex,i just find it archaic and not necessary anymore on the short/medium term. =D


is there such a thing as a "masturbation" thread on this forum i gotta read it,i have the feeling it's gonna be fun =p


Yes. Search for it. It was fun.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on February 27, 2006, 16:44:13
Me? sorry i have no intention to get killed right now :wink:


I just pointed out an example of  what can happen if instincts aren't controlled. in this case:Hitler.

Maybe it was a bit extreme.but anyway!

KISS? you mean the Band?

I don't listen to that sort of music,i want to keep my ears intact heheh.   :Lil:


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: MisterJingo on February 27, 2006, 17:07:29
Quote from: El-Bortukali

I just pointed out an example of  what can happen if instincts aren't controlled. in this case:Hitler.


 Perhaps we blame too much of our intellectual instincts on our animal ancestory? I have yet to see a pride of lions systematically wipe out other prides for political/social reasons - or come to think of it - any animal do that.
 I've also yet to see pointless, savage killings done for no other fact than pleasure or misguided belief on even a noticeable scale in the animal kingdom (only we kill repeatedly for pleasure).
 If animals were so bad, there would be none left from the blood bath which would have ensued.
 The point? Everything you mentioned as being part of animalistic behaviour is not, it's human behaviour. Animals rarely if ever stoop to the acts we consider 'evil' on the frequency of occasion that humans do.

 Regarding masturbation? Do it, don't do it. It's up to you. But suffering needlessly (and I consider not meeting a base instinct, which controls so much of our attention and harms no one when met, suffering) is just pointless imo. Over time we might drive those desires right down into our psyche, but they will fester away and one day perhaps manifest other problems. Dealing with things (and yes that is dealing with it) is a healthy thing to do - it seems a lot equate spirituality with suffering for some reason  :shock: .


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on February 27, 2006, 17:44:51
When i refer to Animalistic i refer to the Human race :)

Like you pointed i don't see a bunch of bears giving birth to the Genocide lol.
Our hormones are our enemies,emotions,feelings,the end result of them,etc is what i battle.

well,we are here to learn aren't we? we don't learn properly trough pleasure and joy but trough pain and loss.
And that's what life is all to learn to cope with pain,and to think of it,what is mortal momentary pain,compared with eternal bliss.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on February 27, 2006, 18:07:46
Quote from: El-Bortukali
Me? sorry i have no intention to get killed right now :wink:


I just pointed out an example of  what can happen if instincts aren't controlled. in this case:Hitler.


Frakkin' Godwin's Law!!!

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Maybe it was a bit extreme.but anyway!

KISS? you mean the Band?

I don't listen to that sort of music,i want to keep my ears intact heheh.   :Lil:


It's a terrible, wretched album by a terrible, wretched band, and the title of it is dumber than... I dunno... what's the dumbest thing you can think of?


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on February 27, 2006, 19:28:49
Quote from: thesickmoon
Quote from: El-Bortukali
Me? sorry i have no intention to get killed right now :wink:


I just pointed out an example of  what can happen if instincts aren't controlled. in this case:Hitler.


Frakkin' Godwin's Law!!!



Yeah ok,I've read it,don't freak out.




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Maybe it was a bit extreme.but anyway!

KISS? you mean the Band?

I don't listen to that sort of music,i want to keep my ears intact heheh.   :Lil:


It's a terrible, wretched album by a terrible, wretched band, and the title of it is dumber than... I dunno... what's the dumbest thing you can think of?



I suppose it's a great album,a great band etc for the people who appreciate that kind of music.

Dumbest thing i can think of,hmmm anti-Jews i guess.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on February 27, 2006, 19:33:33
Quote from: El-Bortukali
Quote from: thesickmoon
Quote from: El-Bortukali
Me? sorry i have no intention to get killed right now :wink:


I just pointed out an example of  what can happen if instincts aren't controlled. in this case:Hitler.


Frakkin' Godwin's Law!!!



Yeah ok,I've read it,don't freak out.




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Maybe it was a bit extreme.but anyway!

KISS? you mean the Band?

I don't listen to that sort of music,i want to keep my ears intact heheh.   :Lil:


It's a terrible, wretched album by a terrible, wretched band, and the title of it is dumber than... I dunno... what's the dumbest thing you can think of?



I supposed it's a great album,a great band etc for the people who appreciate that kind of music.

Dumbest thing i can think of,hmmm anti-jews i guess.


Dude. Jewish chicks are HOT.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on February 27, 2006, 19:34:46
Yes,they are attractive.And your point is?


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on February 27, 2006, 20:37:16
Quote from: El-Bortukali
Yes,they are attractive.And your point is?


A very sharp one.

A very blunt one.

Not everything has to have a point.

Must everything have a point? Must it be blunt; must it be sharp? Must it have the mental capacity of a carp? NO, it mustn't; that's why I'm covering myself with a tarp to the sound of a harp. Now, you go through a time warp and find Billy Thorpe and tell him to play his hit song.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: Nay on February 27, 2006, 20:55:42
:lol:  I think you just channeled Dr. Seuss!


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: Leilah on February 27, 2006, 22:46:00
lol, I agree.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: AdamJB on February 28, 2006, 22:38:23
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Must everything have a point? Must it be blunt; must it be sharp? Must it have the mental capacity of a carp? NO, it mustn't; that's why I'm covering myself with a tarp to the sound of a harp. Now, you go through a time warp and find Billy Thorpe and tell him to play his hit song.


I actually just created an account to say how amazing that was. splendid almost.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on February 28, 2006, 23:43:36
Quote from: thesickmoon
Quote from: El-Bortukali
Yes,they are attractive.And your point is?


A very sharp one.

A very blunt one.

Not everything has to have a point.

Must everything have a point? Must it be blunt; must it be sharp? Must it have the mental capacity of a carp? NO, it mustn't; that's why I'm covering myself with a tarp to the sound of a harp. Now, you go through a time warp and find Billy Thorpe and tell him to play his hit song.




And why do you have to make commentaries that have anything to do with the topic all the time?

Lack of attention?


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 01, 2006, 00:17:08
I didn't? wich question?


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on March 01, 2006, 00:40:00
Quote from: AdamJB
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Must everything have a point? Must it be blunt; must it be sharp? Must it have the mental capacity of a carp? NO, it mustn't; that's why I'm covering myself with a tarp to the sound of a harp. Now, you go through a time warp and find Billy Thorpe and tell him to play his hit song.


I actually just created an account to say how amazing that was. splendid almost.


Thankyaverymuch!


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on March 01, 2006, 00:43:40
Quote from: El-Bortukali
Quote from: thesickmoon
Quote from: El-Bortukali
Yes,they are attractive.And your point is?


A very sharp one.

A very blunt one.

Not everything has to have a point.

Must everything have a point? Must it be blunt; must it be sharp? Must it have the mental capacity of a carp? NO, it mustn't; that's why I'm covering myself with a tarp to the sound of a harp. Now, you go through a time warp and find Billy Thorpe and tell him to play his hit song.




And why do you have to make commentaries that have anything to do with the topic all the time?

Lack of attention?


What the frak do you mean? It has everything to do with the topic-- if you look at it a certain way.

Attention? Yeah, that's all I need more of...


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 01, 2006, 00:56:38
Quote from: runlola
Quote from: Tantric website
sexual  suppression has little to do with sex itself. It has to do with fear. Fear is simply a product of external programming, through mind and senses, affecting consciousness. Your actions  and reactions are strongly influenced and molded through unconscious philosophic and religious programming, affecting your cultural group mind set. This programming is mostly fear-based in some fashion.  Hence, sexual repression can be viewed as a lack of consciousness. It is indeed an indicator.



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so what are you afraid of?



I fear nothing but fear itself ;)

Now seriously heh,the only thing i fear are cockroaches^.^

well,back on track,sex must be fun and all that(and i bet it is),but i  have a very strict of rules from which i rule my life.

You see,even though i see sex as a very archaic mean of reproducing i believe that when a person has sex with another one,both souls are connected forever.

i don't want that.

Second,just like i've said i'm a fan of Evolution(genetic),for me all actions have to have a reason and so,the purpose of sex =Reproduction.

There's just too many people on planet Earth it wouldn't be a bad idea if some people  did not procreate.

Also my genes are weak,they must  not be transmited to the next generation.

Sex in our society is made so vulgar,so banal,example:
Pornography,Nude sites,Thongs etc that it's becomes not appealing.

So...In "normal" eyes do those look like Reasons,enough reasons,Or that i'm just weird? well I am ;) but we all know that astral projection,spirituality etc are not viewed  by most humans as something "natural" ;)
Or do i have any fear in particular?


thanks for the link,it's rather interesting,i find it funny,you know people trying to find out ways to explain people's behaviour ;)


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on March 01, 2006, 01:11:39
Fetid-ed.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 01, 2006, 01:13:52
read up

thesickmoon,
thanks for another useless post to the question.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on March 01, 2006, 01:21:19
Quote from: El-Bortukali
Quote from: runlola
Quote from: Tantric website
sexual  suppression has little to do with sex itself. It has to do with fear. Fear is simply a product of external programming, through mind and senses, affecting consciousness. Your actions  and reactions are strongly influenced and molded through unconscious philosophic and religious programming, affecting your cultural group mind set. This programming is mostly fear-based in some fashion.  Hence, sexual repression can be viewed as a lack of consciousness. It is indeed an indicator.



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so what are you afraid of?



I fear nothing but fear itself ;)

Now seriously heh,the only thing i fear are cockroaches^.^

well,back on track,sex must be fun and all that(and i bet it is),but i  have a very strict of rules from which i rule my life.

You see,even though i see sex as a very archaic mean of reproducing i believe that when a person has sex with another one,both souls are connected forever.

i don't want that.

Second,just like i've said i'm a fan of Evolution(genetic),for me all actions have to have a reason and so,the purpose of sex =Reproduction.

There's just too many people on planet Earth it wouldn't be a bad idea if some people  did not procreate.

Also my genes are weak,they must  not be transmited to the next generation.

Sex in our society is made so vulgar,so banal,example:
Pornography,Nude sites,Thongs etc that it's becomes not appealing.

So...In "normal" eyes do those look like Reasons,enough reasons,Or that i'm just weird? well I am ;) but we all know that astral projection,spirituality etc are not viewed  by most humans as something "natural" ;)
Or do i have any fear in particular?


thanks for the link,it's rather interesting,i find it funny,you know people trying to find out ways to explain people's behaviour ;)


Is there a newer way of reproducing?

Now, about those souls being connected... Do you mean they stay connected-- like, forever-- or do they come apart when the physical bodies of those who frakked each other expire?

There are no normal eyes.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on March 01, 2006, 01:22:23
Quote from: El-Bortukali
read up

thesickmoon,
thanks for another useless post to the question.


Which question?


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: RooJ on March 01, 2006, 01:36:04
El-Bortukali,

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And mainly because masturbation leads to ejaculation,Ejaculation leads to pleasure.And pleasure leads to wanting more,thus creating desire.

Desire is the source of all suffering .


Your desire to not ejaculate will likely lead to suffering aswell --> http://health.discovery.com/centers/sex/sexpedia/blueballs.html just a forewarning  :lol:. I also dont agree with "Desire is the source of all suffering"... Try telling that to an ebola victim...

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Nah,it's good for humans but i want to achieve something greater


Out of interest what are you expecting to achieve by these actions.. or non-actions? What makes you think your going to find "something greater" and what makes you think sex is animalistic?

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Our hormones are our enemies,emotions,feelings,the end result of them,etc is what i battle.


Read up on hormones... They really arn't the enemy... When you understand what they do im sure you'll agree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone

Anyways, why avoid feelings and emotions? i know they can cause problems sometimes and i agree humans could do with losing a few, but they do alot of good too... infact so that your not dissapointed in the future i'll inform you that its impossible to live without them  :wink:. Emotions and feelings are the very things driving you to abstain from sex. Compassion, love, guilt, fear, ambition, curiosity, joy, fascination, determination, respect, sympathy, enthusiasm.... How boring and dead you would likely become if you felt no emotions and feelings.

Good luck in your quest anyway.

>RooJ


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on March 01, 2006, 01:46:05
Quote from: runlola
EB,

how old are you????


 Waldo Vieira said you have to orgasm with a partner everyday in order to project...not that I believe that but it helps him.


EVERY day? Dang... that's just too much work. Frak it, I'm never gonna be able to AP.

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anyway...I think souls connected means just in the union of sex.


Is there a difference between the union of sex and... say... a quicky? I ask because I don't want any connection except to my Lisa. And if a connection is made when we have any kind of sex, then... frak... does anyone know Spiritual SQL? I need to close some connections.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 01, 2006, 02:36:47
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Is there a newer way of reproducing?


Genetics.I know,i know,the government tell  us that the genetic science is still in it's "baby" phase,but since when the Government told us the truth about something ? ;)


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Now, about those souls being connected... Do you mean they stay connected-- like, forever-- or do they come apart when the physical bodies of those who frakked each other expire?



I mean as in Karma.


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EB,how old are you????



22Years,Why :p



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Waldo Vieira said you have to orgasm with a partner everyday in order to project...not that I believe that but it helps him.



well,Drugs supposdley work,but that doesn't mean i'll use them :)


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Your desire to not ejaculate will likely lead to suffering aswell --> http://health.discovery.com/centers/sex/sexpedia/blueballs.html just a forewarning Laughing.



Some kinds of Suffering are positive ;)


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I also dont agree with "Desire is the source of all suffering"... Try telling that to an ebola victim...




well,as you can observe in Africa they suffer a lot don'they? Hunger,aids,ebola,plague etc etc.
But do see them commiting suicide?.well,not a big ammount to appear on the newspapers.While we see a lot of cases of teenagers who are well treated by their parents,well fed,have a good life etc but kill themselfs because they are "depressed".

In this case(the africans) they desire to live.(if they didn't why would they continue to reproduce themself,because they enjoy pain?)and to live in there case means they suffer from diseases we in the eastern world have conquered a long time ago.


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Out of interest what are you expecting to achieve by these actions.. or non-actions? What makes you think your going to find "something greater" and what makes you think sex is animalistic?



Perfection.Nirvana,Godhood.


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Read up on hormones... They really arn't the enemy... When you understand what they do im sure you'll agree.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hormone



I know what they are.but thanks for the intention [:D]



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Anyways, why avoid feelings and emotions?


Emotions and feelings were necessary in the first stages of our Specie.

Now that we are becoming an Intelligent,analytic Race we don't need them anymore.

look at the amount of Child Prodigies showing up on the latest decades.It's amazing.we ouggta produce more of them.


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How boring and dead you would likely become if you felt no emotions and feelings.



I already don't have them.well,i tend to avoid them at all costs.there'll be a day when i won't have any.ahhh sweet bliss :D

oh,and it's my will tha tdrives my goal not my emotions,those i've dominated.

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Good luck in your quest anyway. [/qyote]

Thanks!


And now i have to go to work.later!


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: The Present Moment on March 01, 2006, 04:32:57
Quote from: runlola
Waldo Vieira said you have to orgasm with a partner everyday in order to project...not that I believe that but it helps him.

His partner believed him, and that's what really counts.  :roll:


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: RooJ on March 01, 2006, 11:50:31
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In this case(the africans) they desire to live.(if they didn't why would they continue to reproduce themself,because they enjoy pain?)and to live in there case means they suffer from diseases we in the eastern world have conquered a long time ago.


I fail to see your point, you can find virus's in every country of the world, virus's like TB can still be found in th UK and the USA and are certainly not just a third world problem. Aswell as this i dont agree with the point of this statement, its not the desire to live that causes the suffering... Is the desire to live one of the desires you are trying to rid yourself from?
The vast majority of people on earth desire to live, using the sweeping statement "the desire to live causes suffering" is simply stupid. Very few people in the world have suffered from a desire to live, people ill with cancer arent suffering because they want to live, there suffering because they have cancer.. you can make all the links in the world between wanting to live and suffering with cancer but it still doesnt make the statement right. Given enough links you can tie anything together but doing so here doesnt make your argument anymore valid, actually the opposite.

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Perfection.Nirvana,Godhood.


A god without compassion and love is a god Id rather not have around.

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I know what they are.but thanks for the intention [:D]


Then i can only assume you agree with me.. without hormones you wouldnt be alive to complain about them.

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Emotions and feelings were necessary in the first stages of our Specie.

Now that we are becoming an Intelligent,analytic Race we don't need them anymore.


I could write a whole book on why i dont agree with this statement.. instead ill just leave it at that  :smile:.

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I already don't have them.well,i tend to avoid them at all costs.there'll be a day when i won't have any.ahhh sweet bliss :D


So im guessing you believe bliss isnt a feeling or emotion?

>RooJ


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 01, 2006, 17:27:21
Freud, Jung and Reich see sex/sexual tension/ sexual  suppression, in everything,for them all actions represent either lack of sex,too much sex,repressed sexual desires and the list goes on lol


They clearly have failed to understand that we are on planet earth to detatch ourself from such Earthly things"(at least in my opinion :)




hmm.it's funny how many of the "evil doers"This planet produced never resfrained themselfs from commiting sexual acts.So i don't see how repriming sexual instincts/energy results in violence.

Even the popes of the renaissance era had sons and had the favours of prostitutes..but that did not quell their thrist for power,they killed their political oponents,people they did not liked etc.


I'm the perfect example of this,not only i keep my sexual impulses on check,i don't drink alcohol,cofee,refrigerants,i don't smoke, i don't go out at night,and i don't do drugs.

I've never been in a fight,i've never have a discussion,i've never felt anger,rage,hate,despize,jealously etc etc  [:D]



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This suppression comes in different forms, some covert and others overt. Interestingly, sexual  suppression has little to do with sex itself. It has to do with fear. Fear is simply a product of external programming, through mind and senses, affecting consciousness. Your actions  and reactions are strongly influenced and molded through unconscious philosophic and religious programming, affecting your cultural group mind set. This programming is mostly fear-based in some fashion.



 
I have no religion.My parents thought i should be free to chose what to believe in.

They flood me with intense love and acceptance ever since  iwas born,how many parents have told their sons it is ok if their son is gay,bi or anything. i don't fit unto those groups but i'm sure gay people would have to have parents like my own.


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sexual repression can be viewed as a lack of consciousness.



I see it more as a raise of  consciousness [:D]





“We commonly speak of the sex 'drive', as if it, like hunger, must be satisfied, or a person will die. Yet there is no evidence that celibacy is in any way damaging to one's health, and it is clear that many celibates lead long, happy lives. Celibacy should be recognised as a valid alternative sexual lifestyle, although probably not everyone is suited to it.”
    -J. S. Hyde, Understanding Human Sexuality, 1986





What are the advantages of celibacy?


# A whole load of worries are taken off your mind. You don't even have to think about contraception, venereal disease, physical compatibility, who sleeps on the wet patch, impotence, frigidity, bizarre sexual injuries, whether to swallow, whether your partner is good in bed, sexual fidelity, how to stop the bed from creaking, shave or not shave, wash or not wash, whether you know enough positions, orgasm faking, whether to experiment or which flavour of condom to choose. This must surely free up several cubic inches of brain tissue.
# The enormous amount of time and effort that other people expend in order to get laid is freed up for other things. No more hanging around in sweaty nightclubs. No more searching through 'lifestyle magazine' articles for the latest and cleverest way to pick someone up. No more garotting your body with tight underwear. No more worry about whether you are adequately filling out your bra/shorts. No longer will you go to a dull party just because there's someone there that you fancy.
# People you talk to will know that you're not interested in them for their body.
# If you don't have sex, you can't have any Sexual Disasters. None of those embarrassing moments like when you just can't undo her bra, or when you can't get out of your bondage gear, or when you knock over the bedside table, or when your parents come home earlier than you expected, or when you realise that your partner is in fact amazingly ugly, or when you smear them all over with peanut butter and them remember that you don't like peanut butter, or when you wake up the next morning and you've forgotten their name, or their gender.
# You will save money. How much money you save depends on how you were getting your sex in the first place.
# Nobody will be able to blackmail you with photographs of you in flagrante delicto. James Bond would be more effective if he were celibate, because then attractive enemy agents would not be able to seduce and capture him.
# I don't believe in God myself, but there are a lot of folks out there who think that God will look on you more favourably if you are celibate, or if you avoid recreational sex. Remember "Every sperm is sacred. Every sperm is great. If a sperm is wasted, God gets quite irate."? Seriously though, celibacy may contribute to a greater peacefulness and spirituality if undertaken in the right context.
# Celibacy significantly decreases your chances of becoming pregnant. That is, unless you're a man.
# You have a reserve of energy that you can expend on other things. Life will come into a more sensible perspective when it isn't dominated by the search for a mate.
# If you spontaneously combust, you don't take anyone with you.



 What are the disadvantages?

    * You don't get any sex.
    * Cliff Richard is your role model.



haha [:D]


7: Speaking of which, who are the celebrity celibates?


# Stephen Fry, the British actor, comedian, writer, critic, novelist and taxi driver, was the UK's most prominent and vocal celibate for several years, although he has since rediscovered the alleged joys of wanton carnality.
# Isaac Newton, the mathematician and scientist (said by some to be the greatest scientist ever), was a virgin all his life. He was also very unpopular. Let us move on.
# Cliff "no soul" Richard, purveyor of family-acceptable and totally non-threatening pop tunes, is one of the most vocal celibates of modern times. It may well be this fact which has held back the cause of open celibacy.
# Cosmopolitan agony aunt Irma Kurtz has been a celibate for years and years with no regrets. Perhaps a Cosmo reader can fill me in with some more specifics.
# Simone Weil was one of the best known European political thinkers of the 20th Century and, as far as anybody knows, a lifelong celibate.
# Also rumoured to be a lifelong celibate was the Dutch philosopher and theologian Baruch Spinoza.
# Dr. Temple Grandin, the American academic whose empathy with animals has led to her being a highly successful designer of humane animal management systems, is a voluntary celibate. The reasons are too complex to go into here, but those interested can read the final chapter of Oliver Sacks' "An Anthropologist on Mars".
# Stevie Smith, poet and novelist, was celibate all her life, after sampling and rejecting romance and sex in her youth. She was fiercely critical of those who thought that her life must be emotionally impoverished by not having sexual relationships anymore, emphasizing the depth of her friendships, especially her bond with the aunt with whom she lived.
# Pitt the Younger, legendary British Prime Minister, is generally agreed by historians to have died a virgin.
# Queen Elizabeth the First was allegedly a Virgin Queen throughout her life, although apparently there is a controversy about this.
# Nikolai Tesla, Nobel-prize-winning scientist, pioneer in the development of electricity and radio and inventor of the AC motor and transformer was a self-proclaimed celibate.
# A possible contender is Dag Hammarskjold, the visionary U.N. Secretary-General. No-one has ever been able to come up with any evidence that sex ever played any part in his life, although many have tried. He is responsible for the following sardonic quote on the general attitude towards celibacy:

    "Because it did not find a mate, they called the unicorn perverted."

# Ronan Keating of Boyzone (voted "Most Fanciable Male" by readers of UK teen magazine Smash Hits) was a virgin by choice until marriage.
# Carole Channing, the Broadway musical star of "Hello Dolly" fame was celibate in her marriage to Charles Lowe for 41 years.
# Morrissey, the British singer and former member of the Smiths, was openly celibate for several years.


Most Famous Virgins in History

Some were actually pure virgins, other listed here did not have sex until very late in life



Sir Isaac Newton,Immanuel Kant, Louis XVI, John Ruskin,George Bernard Shaw, Havelock Elli,Havelock Ellis,Havelock Ellis,   Adolf Hitler (Had a mistress late in life),Michael Jackson (until his marriage to Lisa Marie Presley)

(http://www.yesbutnobutyes.com/archives/andersonweb.jpg)

Hans Christian Anderson

I know what you're thinking. How did Mr. Studley here manage to steer clear of the ladies? Well, it seems the author of The Emperor's Clothing, The Princess and the Pea, and The Ugly Ducking never found his own princess. Gives you a whole new perspective on the "beautiful swan" thing

[:D]

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Lewis Carroll

Are you seeing a trend here? Looks like the life of a children's book author is a lonely one indeed. Maybe Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass  offered Mr. Carroll a fantasy life that he apparently wasn't getting at home.

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Famous poet who later turned to bit parts in movies like The Ring to make ends meet. (spooky, right?) This famous American poet was virtually a recluse at her home in Amherst, Massachusetts, where she wrote more than a thousand poems, typically about love, death, and our relationship with nature.


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J. Edgar Hoover

Famous American director of the FBI. He is remembered for fighting gangsterism during the Prohibition era, a vigorous anti-Communist campaign, and wearing women's clothing. (not that there's anything wrong with that)

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Immanuel Kant

Yup, he couldn't. (Oh man, I crack myself up) German philosopher who argued that reason is the means by which the phenomena of experience are translated into understanding. But if you don't experience it, how would you ever understand it? Know what I'm sayin'?


(http://www.yesbutnobutyes.com/archives/kierkegaardweb.jpg)


Soren Kierkegard


Danish religious philosopher and precursor of modern existentialism, he insisted on the need for individual decision and leaps of faith in the search for religious truth. (Looks like we can lump philosophers in with the children's book authors)

(http://www.yesbutnobutyes.com/archives/newtonweb.jpg)


Sir isaac Newton


Newton helped define the laws of gravity and planetary motion. A famous story suggests Newton discovered the laws of gravity by watching an apple fall from a tree. A lesser known story goes on to describe a sexually frustrated Newton cutting a hole in the apple and abusing the hell out of it.




Hahaha [:D]


(http://www.yesbutnobutyes.com/archives/teslaweb.jpg)

Nikolai Tesla

Inventor of alternating current and 80's hair bands. He worked side by side with Thomas Edison. And now that I think of it, Mr. Edison's famous "Watson, come quick" call would've taken on a whole new meaning if Nicky picked up instead.


xD

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Why don’t priests and members of religious orders marry?

      II. Muslim Perspectives

      General

1. Islam teaches that it is the natural vocation of every man and woman to establish a family and to accept, as a believer, the associated demands and risks. The establishing and the bringing up of a family are thus considered a duty towards the wider community, both human and religious. Muslims therefore suspect that someone capable of marriage who willingly remains single does so out of selfishness, or alternatively because of impotence or deep disappointment following unhappiness in love. Muslims also doubt whether the obligations involved in the oath of celibacy are really observed: they suspect secret relationships between priests and members of religious orders, as well as homosexual relationships. Underlying all this is the general conviction that healthy men and women cannot live without sexual relations.

2. Furthermore, marriage is a basic duty for believers: ‘Marriage is half of the faith’ (al-zawāj nisf al-imān), in the words of a much-quoted hadith. This is especially so for men, whose duty it is to ‘protect the weaker sex’. It is thus understandable why voluntary celibacy is something of a scandal among Muslims and evokes hostile criticism, though this spontaneous and basic reaction appears today to be undergoing certain developments.

3. Cases of voluntary celibacy in the Islamic world, among both men and women, have recently become more frequent. This phenomenon, which can sometimes be on a temporary basis, can arise from the need for dedication to a particular cause, as with older brothers and sisters looking after the younger children in a family, nurses or social workers devoting themselves wholly to their work, or freedom fighters such as the fidā’iyyūn and fidā’iyyāt of the Palestinian struggle for liberation. It can also arise from personal reasons, such as the desire to seek fulfilment in life outside or before marriage, or from religious reasons, as with unmarried pilgrims (hājjiyyūn) or young widows who have decided to stay in Mecca to pray and meditate, either for a particular period or for their whole life.

4. Those who know priests and members of religious orders and have experienced their daily lives recognize that the vocation of celibacy can genuinely be lived out. Many admire this way of living. This is often the case with Muslim girls who live or work together with nuns, would like to live as Muslim celibates and express their regret that there is no comparable form of religious life in Islam. What are their motives? The desire to escape from marriage, or the longing for a life of dedication? Muslims will often say: ‘That is in order for Christians, but “in Islam there is no monasticism”(la rahbāniyyat fīl-Islām)’.



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      Detailed

1. With a few exceptions, one can say that celibacy as a vocation is not recognized in Islam, either as a religious or a human ideal. There is practically no trace of it in the Qur’an. The Prophet was married. There are many hadith which, while explicitly praising marriage, portray celibacy negatively and reject it. For example: ‘Our sunna [tradition, and implying upright character] is marriage’ (sunnatu-nā al-zawāj); ‘Marriage is half of the faith’; ‘If I had one day more to live and was not married, I would take a wife, so that I should not meet God as an unmarried man’; it was said to a man who was not yet married: ‘So you have decided to live in Satan’s community? If you wish to become a Christian monk, then enter their community openly, but if you are one of us then follow our sunna!’

One of the greatest Muslim theologians, al-Ghazāli (1058-1111), explains in great detail why marriage is a binding obligation in Islam:
- to beget offspring, in obedience to the clear will of God and the Prophet;
- to strengthen the Muslim community;
- to satisfy one’s sensual appetites and to gain a foretaste of Paradise here on earth;
- for the husband: the benefit of having someone to look after the housework, so leaving time free for prayer;
- for the mystic: relaxation through enjoying oneself with one’s wife;
- finally, an opportunity to grow in patience through tolerating one’s wife’s temperament.69
Nearly all Islamic mystics were married.

2. However, celibacy is not totally ignored nor rejected in every case. The Qur’an praises Mary as the perfect example of virginal purity: she ‘guarded her chastity’ (Qur’an 21:91; 66:12; cf. 3:39, referring to John the Baptist [Yahyā], who was chaste [hasūr], and hinting at the chastity of Jesus). Monks are praised in the Qur’an (5:82; 24:36-37 and 57:27; but note also 9:31,34). Some Muslim mystics and ascetics lived as celibates, as, for example, the famous female mystic Rābi‛a of Basra, whose refusal to marry seems to imply an oath of dedication to God. The manuals of some religious orders (e.g. the Rahmāniyya and Bektāshiyya) praise celibacy undertaken for religious motives. In a discussion of ‘Arguments for and against Marriage’, al-Ghazāli presents celibacy as advisable only if one is not ready for the expenses and burdens of a family, if the character of the proposed wife is too difficult or if she would prevent the mystic from engaging in the serious practice of meditation. He comes to the conclusion that the value of being or not being married depends on one’s circumstances. The ideal is to be able to combine married life with piety and devotion to God, as the Prophet Muhammad did.

On the celibacy of Jesus, al-Ghazāli comments:

      ‘Perhaps he was so disposed by nature that being preoccupied with family matters would have exhausted him too much, or it would have become too difficult for him to provide for a family lawfully, or he was unable to combine marriage with devotion to the service of God and chose devotion to the service of God alone.’70





So..As you can see it seems i'm going against "God's will"

http://www.answers-to-muslims.com/html/celibacy.html

awww i feel so bad ;o

Oh and celibate doesn't prevent people from having a happy,fufilling life,so i don't lose much by skipping sex [:D]

Like The Buddha said: Sex is just rubbing skin"






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Green was only two years shy of becoming a "40-Year-Old Virgin" himself before marrying in 2002 at the age of 38.

The virgin jury's still out on Coleman, now 37 - he didn't respond to an interview request.

"It's come full circle," said Rapping. "There's more intrigue when people identify themselves as virgins or celibate or whatever. People have gotten bored with the endless display of graphic sex."


http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=entertainment&id=3353531




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1. The rabbinic literature--which is what people sometimes use to argue that celibacy was a capital offense(!)--notes and gives rules for exceptions to rules which were themselves non-binding:

 

"Celibacy was, in fact, not common, and was disapproved by the rabbis, who taught that a man should marry at eighteen, and that if he passed the age of twenty without taking a wife he transgressed a divine command and incurred God's displeasure. Postponement of marriage was permitted students of the Law that they might concentrate their attention on their studies, free from the cares of support a wife. Cases like that of Simeon be 'Azzai, who never married, were evidently infrequent. He had himself said that a man who did not marry was like one who shed blood, and diminished the likeness of God. One of his colleagues threw up to him that he was better at preaching that at practicing, to which he replied, What shall I do? My soul is enamored of the Law; the population of the world can be kept up by others...It is not to be imagined that pronouncements about the duty of marrying and the age at which people should marry actually regulated practice." [HI:JFCCE:2.119f]

 

Notice that this famous Rabbi was celibate because of his devotion to the Law and to studying, following, and preaching it--a situation not unlike that of Jesus and certainly in keeping with His dictum in Matthew 19.10:

 

His disciples said to him, “If that is the relationship of a man with his wife, it’s not worth getting married!” 11But he said to them, “Not everyone can accept this saying, except those to whom celibacy has been granted. 12For some men are celibate from birth, while others are celibate because they have been made that way by others. Still others are celibate because they have made themselves that way for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.

 

Notice also that Moore points out that the Rabbinic regulation were hardly binding (something we shall return to below).



I would be an hipocritic if i believed in something and pratice the other thing [:D]


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: MisterJingo on March 01, 2006, 17:38:07
Quote from: El-Bortukali
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Is there a newer way of reproducing?


Genetics.I know,i know,the government tell  us that the genetic science is still in it's "baby" phase,but since when the Government told us the truth about something ? ;)


 Genetics in its current form will never replace reproduction. Asexual species are very prone to being wiped out by disease - which is why sexual reproduction came about.
 With cloning, every human would have the exact genetic makeup and would be susceptible to the exact same genetic defects and diseases.
 Sexual reproduction with 2 parties produces a new genetic makeup in the child which would not be susceptible to these problems.
 For genetic engineering to replace reproduction we would need a way to not just clone, but to merge genetic material from 2 or more parties.
 Our current level of cloning is so inferior that for every clone taken to term, dozens are aborted. Also, only certain sepecies can be cloned as yet. So it will be a very distant time in the future, if ever, that we will possibly be able to do this.

Secondly, sex stopped being just about reproduction long ago. Sex is actually a good balancing factor for the mind (a study I read recently showed that penetrative sex was found to reduce stress the most in a public speaking exercise - that is the effects of this form of sex had a measurable calming effect on the mind and body for upto a week later - and this was over relaxation techniques, meditation etc), a stress reliever, a spiritual tool, a boding agent for artners, and great fun.

Thirdly, ignoring emotions is a route to nowhere. We cannot deny our humanity by ignoring the consequences of it. To become balanced, we know our emotions, but don;t have to get caught up in them. it's walking a middle line. To ignore emotions is to repress them, and such repressed material festers in the mind and causes tension. But I guess each has to do what they think is best, however much it seems to deviate from the goal they wish to achieve.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 01, 2006, 17:48:39
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Genetics in its current form



Hmm,look at the Airplanes Evolution over 80 years :>
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And like i said,how much do we know about Genetics evolution? how much tech the government keeps away from the people? who knows they could be breeding super soldiers on underground facilities.

Anyway,the public use of it will happen.it might take what? 80 years? 100? to refine this Science? but make no mistake it is going to be the main tool of reproducing in the future.


I have no intention on ignoring my emotions.

My goal (one of them)is to totally eradicate them,so i become a being of pure intellect :)


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on March 01, 2006, 19:08:06
Quote from: El-Bortukali

hmm.it's funny how many of the "evil doers"This planet produced never resfrained themselfs from commiting sexual acts.So i don't see how repriming sexual instincts/energy results in violence.


There's an old saying. It thusly goeth: "Sex is like a misdemeanor; Da more I miss, da meaner I get."

It's a really frakking stupid saying, but it's true for some people. They get ticked off as all hell when they don't get any.

Stephen Fry was greatness in "Blackadder."


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: MisterJingo on March 01, 2006, 19:09:59
Quote from: El-Bortukali
My goal (one of them)is to totally eradicate them,so i become a being of pure intellect :)


 I really don't see this being a possibility when consiousness in the body is regulated by chemicals and hormones, and hence emotions.
 I also wonder to what extent is our consiousness based upon our emotional self. Isn't there a possibility that eradicating emotions totally (not just hiding them away or ignoring them) will destory self awareness too? ie if you ever reach such a state, you might not be aware of the fact you reach it.


Ps. I don't think genetic engineering will ever replace reproduction for the simply fact much of our genetics tends towards reproduction, which invokes desires for an individual to reproduce. Unless we radically alter a persons personality (to the point of being an automaton) this just won't happen.

Pps. What of art and creativity? Regardless of baseless new ages beliefs, it seems emotion and underlying mechanics of it are the cause of much of the creativity we see and enrich our lives with. Should we destroy that too? Have you ever seen the film equilibirum?


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on March 01, 2006, 19:15:46
Quote from: El-Bortukali
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Genetics in its current form



Hmm,look at the Airplanes Evolution over 80 years :>
I
And like i said,how much do we know about Genetics evolution? how much tech the government keeps away from the people? who knows they could be breeding super soldiers on underground facilities.


On Mars.

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Anyway,the public use of it will happen.it might take what? 80 years? 100? to refine this Science? but make no mistake it is going to be the main tool of reproducing in the future.


You got a source for that claim?

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I have no intention on ignoring my emotions.

My goal (one of them)is to totally eradicate them,so i become a being of pure intellect :)

 :locolaugh:  :orcmoon: :vavoom:


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 01, 2006, 19:25:30
Well,don't we have Breeding programs for horses etc?
guess what,it wouldn't surprise me if the governments started them for human :)

I don't see what's bad with this method,it opens the possibility to destroy all diseases,virus,bad traits and induce new,good ones.

As for people's impulse to reproduce,well they can be overcome by pills,governments control etc

Honestly if this birth rate keeps on going there won't be enough space or resources to be able to feed or accommodate them. and the governaments won't have any other option but to impose lawas where only selected people can reproduce,but don't worry ya can all still have sex,only the stronger,more intelligent,healthier people will be allowed to reproduce :)

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Ps. I don't think genetic engineering will ever replace reproduction for the simply fact much of our genetics tends towards reproduction, which invokes desires for an individual to reproduce. Unless we radically alter a persons personality (to the point of being an automaton) this just won't happen.



Good for you.People never thought we could ever fly,and guess what? we landed on the moon :)


Yes i've seen the movie.what a perfect society =)
I hated how the movie ended =(



damn,this went from a woman's sexual  dreams,to my input towards sex,then to how i view masturbation,then to spiritual evolution,leading the hpysical evolution and now genetic ^.^

Runola,

I'm waiting to see you say my will of not having sex is based on some inner demon Löl.

Anyway,as you can see,i am a  fan of Evolution,both on the Physical field and on the spiritual field,in order to evolve one needs to make sacrfices,and i''m willing to do them.

I


ps.I honestly don't see what's so great about being human.

one a light tone:
People who know me use to call me "Jedi"

and after watching the movies,i pretty much can say i would be Master Yoda's perfect student.

    There is no emotion; there is peace.
    There is no ignorance; there is knowledge.
    There is no passion; there is serenity.
    There is no chaos; there is harmony.
    There is no death; there is the Force.  :razz:


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on March 01, 2006, 19:32:10
Quote from: El-Bortukali
Well,don't we have Breeding programs for horses etc?
guess what,it wouldn't surprise me if the governments started them for human :)

I don't see what's bad with this method,it opens the possibility to destroy all diseases,virus,bad traits and induce new,good ones.

As for people's impulse to reproduce,well they can be overcome by pills,governments control etc

Honestly if this birth rate keeps on going there won't be enough space or resources to be able to feed or accommodate them. and the governaments won't have any other option but to impose lawas where only selected people can reproduce,but don't worry ya can all still have sex,only the stronger,more intelligent,healthier people will be allowed to reproduce :)


Or they could just start another huge war.

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Ps. I don't think genetic engineering will ever replace reproduction for the simply fact much of our genetics tends towards reproduction, which invokes desires for an individual to reproduce. Unless we radically alter a persons personality (to the point of being an automaton) this just won't happen.



Good for you.People never thought we could ever fly,and guess what? we landed on the moon :)


Yes i've seen the movie.what a perfect society =)
I hated how the movie ended =(



damn,this went from a woman's sexual  dreams,to my input towards sex,then to how i view masturbation,then to spiritual evolution,leading the hpysical evolution and now genetic ^.^


That's the nature of message boards.

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Runola,

I'm waiting to see you say my will of not having sex is based on some inner demon Löl.


ps.I honestly don't see what's so great about being human.


What would you rather be? I'd rather be a Bigfoot!


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: MisterJingo on March 01, 2006, 19:33:39
Quote from: El-Bortukali

Good for you.People never thought we could ever fly,and guess what? we landed on the moon :)

 But landing on the moon was an extension of a humans desire to explore and experience which has roots in emotional drives.

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ps.I honestly don't see what's so great about being human.


No one is saying it is great or not. The fact is, you are human and while you are alive you simply cannot escape that. To try to deny it is just a futile act imo as even acting like an unemotional automaton would still make you a human trying to act unemtional.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 01, 2006, 19:34:32
Quote from: thesickmoon



On Mars.


Are you from there?

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You got a source for that claim?



Yeah.The leading Scientists of Genetics.go read their articules.


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I have no intention on ignoring my emotions.

My goal (one of them)is to totally eradicate them,so i become a being of pure intellect :)

 :locolaugh:  :orcmoon: :vavoom:[/quote]


Glad i made you laugh,usually it takes clowns to make me laugh,but you have done it :)


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 01, 2006, 19:36:40
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But landing on the moon was an extension of a humans desire to explore and experience which has roots in emotional drives.


And the use of genetics is an extension of the human desires to evolve,to attain higher degrees of physical being.higher IQ,higher life span etc


If we are bent on  achieving Spiritual Perfection,why not,also Physical Perfection?



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No one is saying it is great or not. The fact is, you are human and while you are alive you simply cannot escape that. To try to deny it is just a futile act imo as even acting like an unemotional automaton would still make you a human trying to act unemtional.


The point of reincarnation is to make one learn how to ascend beyond the state of being human.

Yes i am human.at least i look like one.i tend to avoid what makes humans a Human.The human being is an animal which I'm not very fond of :p


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: MisterJingo on March 01, 2006, 19:39:56
Quote from: El-Bortukali

The point of reincarnation is to make one learn how to ascend beyond the state of being human.



 Says who? We only become human by incarnating here surely? So if we wish to ascend humanity we could save a lot of time by not carnating in the first place?


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: MisterJingo on March 01, 2006, 19:42:20
Quote from: El-Bortukali


And the use of genetics is an extension of the human desires to evolve,to attain higher degrees of physical being.higher IQ,higher life span etc


If we are bent on  achieving Spiritual Perfection,why not,also Physical Perfection?



 Because one persons idea of perfection is different from anothers. Its a purely relative concept which has no basis in anything. Your idea of perfection seems to be an emotionless, sexless existence with the end of all things which invoke emotion. Anothers idea of perfection might be quite the opposite of that.

For example, my idea of evolution and perfection has been realised by the author Ian M Banks in his "Cuture" civilisation - and this seems the exact opposite of your idea of perfection or an ascended state.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 01, 2006, 19:44:27
Says The Buddha =o.

We became human because we choose(?) to experience  a faulty  body(?) but that troubles me because if i desire perfection,and if i  had the choise to be born on other species far more advanced than ours and thus experience that level of physical perfection i'm searching for altogether with Spiritual perfection,then what the hell am i doing here?! hehe.

or maybe we only have the chance to be born on those more evolved races after attaining a certain level as humans.

I dunno. I'll have to phone The Buddha for that one :P


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 01, 2006, 19:46:58
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And the use of genetics is an extension of the human desires to evolve,to attain higher degrees of physical being.higher IQ,higher life span etc


If we are bent on  achieving Spiritual Perfection,why not,also Physical Perfection?



 Because one persons idea of perfection is different from anothers. Its a purely relative concept which has no basis in anything. Your idea of perfection seems to be an emotionless, sexless existence with the end of all things which invoke emotion. Anothers idea of perfection might be quite the opposite of that.

For example, my idea of evolution and perfection has been realized by the author Ian M Banks in his "Cuture" civilisation - and this seems the exact opposite of your idea of perfection or an ascended state.



You got an ebook of that ? :razz:

well,there's some emotions i would like to keep,creativity,fascinating,curiosity.

those are the traits that lead to Genius alongside of course.

Extremely high IQ. :razz:


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: MisterJingo on March 01, 2006, 19:47:28
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Says The Buddha =o.

We became human because we choose(?) to experience  a faulty  body(?) but that troubles me because if i desire perfection,and if i  had the choise to be born on other species far more advanced than ours and thus experience that level of physical perfection i'm searching for altogether with Spiritual perfection,then what the hell am i doing here?! hehe.

or maybe we only have the chance to be born on those more evolved races after attaining a certain level as humans.

I dunno. I'll have to phone The Buddha for that one :P


I'm not too sure the Buddha meant that. Something we should realise is that archaic philsopshies were based upon the understanding of their time. Although I think a lot of what they say still holds truth, we should modify things to suit our current understand of life, the universe and everything ;) Else we are just creating a tension between incompatible things.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on March 01, 2006, 19:48:10
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On Mars.


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Are you from there?


Nope. Texas.

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You got a source for that claim?

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Yeah.The leading Scientists of Genetics.go read their articules.

Which leading scientists? Where can I find the articles?
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I have no intention on ignoring my emotions.

My goal (one of them)is to totally eradicate them,so i become a being of pure intellect :)

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 :locolaugh:  :orcmoon: :vavoom:


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Glad i made you laugh,usually it takes clowns to make me laugh,but you have done it :)


Clowns make you laugh? :eh?: I do not like clowns. :naughty: ANY clowns.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 01, 2006, 19:51:15
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Nope. Texas.


Oh Texas,Usa.

Then i must correct myself,i'm sorry..



Another Universe.

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Which leading scientists? Where can I find the articles?


http://news.google.com/news?q=leading+scientists+of+genetics&hl=en&hs=VnW&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:pt-PT:official_s&sa=N&tab=nn&oi=newsr

http://anthro.palomar.edu/mendel/mendel_1.htm

http://www.mrc.ac.uk/prn/index/public-interest/public-news_centre/public-press_office/public-press_releases_2003.htm


http://www.dundee.ac.uk/prospectus/undergrad/courses/biochem.htm

http://www.petergruberfoundation.org/geneticsmainframe.htm

http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/325/


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 01, 2006, 19:53:14
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Says The Buddha =o.

We became human because we choose(?) to experience  a faulty  body(?) but that troubles me because if i desire perfection,and if i  had the choise to be born on other species far more advanced than ours and thus experience that level of physical perfection i'm searching for altogether with Spiritual perfection,then what the hell am i doing here?! hehe.

or maybe we only have the chance to be born on those more evolved races after attaining a certain level as humans.

I dunno. I'll have to phone The Buddha for that one :P


I'm not too sure the Buddha meant that. Something we should realise is that archaic philsopshies were based upon the understanding of their time. Although I think a lot of what they say still holds truth, we should modify things to suit our current understand of life, the universe and everything ;) Else we are just creating
a tension between incompatible things.



Sometimes the simplest of all things is the most fulfilling.
btw The Buddha did not say that.
It was me.
 :lol:


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: MisterJingo on March 01, 2006, 19:58:08
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You got an ebook of that ? :razz:

well,there's some emotions i would like to keep,creativity,fascinating,curiosity.

those are the traits that lead to Genius alongside of course.

Extremely high IQ. :razz:


 I haven't got an ebook, but the author wrote a synopsis of the culture:

http://www.cs.bris.ac.uk/~stefan/culture.html

The problem is creativity, fascination and curiosity have their roots in emotions. And so eradicating emotions eradicates them (or the things which drive them).


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on March 01, 2006, 20:54:28
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Nope. Texas.


Oh Texas,Usa.

Then i must correct myself,i'm sorry..

Another Universe.


Not another universe.

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Which leading scientists? Where can I find the articles?


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http://news.google.com/news?q=leading+scientists+of+genetics&hl=en&hs=VnW&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:pt-PT:official_s&sa=N&tab=nn&oi=newsr

http://anthro.palomar.edu/mendel/mendel_1.htm

http://www.mrc.ac.uk/prn/index/public-interest/public-news_centre/public-press_office/public-press_releases_2003.htm


http://www.dundee.ac.uk/prospectus/undergrad/courses/biochem.htm

http://www.petergruberfoundation.org/geneticsmainframe.htm

http://mitworld.mit.edu/video/325/



Sources! Yay! I'll read them after I get home.

And now, a word on undoing bras: I was once awarded the most prestigious "Joe's Garage Chief Master One- Handed Bra Unhitcher" award-- three years in a row!


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: Nay on March 01, 2006, 21:56:52
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And now, a word on undoing bras: I was once awarded the most prestigious "Joe's Garage Chief Master One- Handed Bra Unhitcher" award-- three years in a row!
 Impossible!  I already know the king of un-hooking bras. :lol:

Nay :grin:


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on March 01, 2006, 22:03:52
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And now, a word on undoing bras: I was once awarded the most prestigious "Joe's Garage Chief Master One- Handed Bra Unhitcher" award-- three years in a row!
 Impossible!  I already know the king of un-hooking bras. :lol:

Nay :grin:


One or two handed?


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: Nay on March 01, 2006, 23:03:38
One... :whipU:


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: paker7 on March 04, 2006, 00:06:01
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You see,even though i see sex as a very archaic mean of reproducing i believe that when a person has sex with another one,both souls are connected forever.

i don't want that.


Being God is being All and being All is being connected to everything.

If you want to evolve - you can first learn to connect to just one person , then you can use this new skill to connect to All.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 05, 2006, 14:13:48
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The problem is creativity, fascination and curiosity have their roots in emotions. And so eradicating emotions eradicates them (or the things which drive them).


Actually there was this American thinker who,i forgot his name,got trained by his father to be a thinker since he was a Little child and only actually developed emotions when he was a teenager.he learned Latin,Greek,etc at an age ranging from4-8 and published works too without the need for emotions.

The only necessary thing is someone who directs the being,who nurtures his intellect.
/ps-I'll give that link a reading,thanks!)
And let's not forget the gray Alien race who suppressed their emotions but display a GIGANTIC  level of intelligence =))


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If you want to evolve - you can first learn to connect to just one person , then you can use this new skill to connect to All.



Sorry,but I'm not much of a group person.
i don't think one needs to connects to someone to evolve,after all evolution is a matter of personal work,of course I'm talking about spiritual evolution in this situation.



Runola,

what the hell,first you want me to answer ya question,now you don't reply back -.-


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: RooJ on March 05, 2006, 17:36:58
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and only actually developed emotions when he was a teenager


Babies naturally express a certain amount of emotion, they smile, laugh and cry, feel happy and sad.. and thats without parents intervention. Whether you like it or not humans are born with emotion, its a defence mechanism and an evolutionary step which allows us to avoid dangers and to trust and love friends and family.

Saying this i'd still like to read about it, shame you cant remember the name  :roll: .


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: MisterJingo on March 05, 2006, 17:50:45
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and only actually developed emotions when he was a teenager


Babies naturally express a certain amount of emotion, they smile, laugh and cry, feel happy and sad.. and thats without parents intervention. Whether you like it or not humans are born with emotion, its a defence mechanism and an evolutionary step which allows us to avoid dangers and to trust and love friends and family.

Saying this i'd still like to read about it, shame you cant remember the name  :roll: .


The only similar thing to this american thinker I have heard is cases of people who never enter puperty. There was a documentry about it recently on UK tv where an african guy had reached his 30's without entering puperty. The documentry trailed him as he decided to have it artifically initiated - and it allowed us to see the changes in his behaviour as these hormones took over.
 But even before puperty he had emotions. I'd have to look it up but even learning involves a reward mechanism (i.e. sence of achievement/pleasure caused by meeting a goal - which is emotion driven).


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: paker7 on March 05, 2006, 17:52:48
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If you want to evolve - you can first learn to connect to just one person , then you can use this new skill to connect to All.


Sorry,but I'm not much of a group person.


Hehehe I am talking about making a spiritual connection which is easier when You love someone and even easier when You have sex with that someone. :wink:

I'm sure You know about Yin/Yang, Tantra, chakras, energy flow and all that stuff.

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i don't think one needs to connects to someone to evolve,after all evolution is a matter of personal work,of course I'm talking about spiritual evolution in this situation.


There are many roads to Nirvana - some (IMO Kundalini Yoga+Tantra) will lead You to your final destination much faster.

If You really want to be separate - You will never achieve true Nirvana (oneness,unity,cosmic consciousness).

ps. I love You all because I know that we are One - I'm just not experiencing this oneness yet.  :smile:


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 05, 2006, 18:03:22
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Hehehe I am talking about making a spiritual connection which is easier when You love someone and even easier when You have sex with that someone. Wink


There other ways,might be harder,but i like a challenge ;D


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 06, 2006, 16:49:27
MNo..I'm doing it because i find i t archaic.

i told you i had wet dreams when i was younger and didn't know how to control myself.


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: Adun on March 06, 2006, 18:14:44
So you're saying you can release all the sperm produced in your gonads without ejaculating?


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on March 06, 2006, 19:05:00
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Runola,

what the hell,first you want me to answer ya question,now you don't reply back -.-


haha, what question was that?

so are you doing this because you think it will make you smarter?


are you telling me you have NEVER had an orgasm?.
not even a wet dream? inconceivable! :snooty:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/genecist/inconceivable.jpg)


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: thesickmoon on March 06, 2006, 19:11:22
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Ejaculation leads to stress release, then sleep.


Ah! We covered this in another thread, but I've got to say it again: Ejaculation makes me more energetic and not sleepy. I feel like rafting afterward. Maybe I'm wired like a frakking CYLON!


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 06, 2006, 20:05:30
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ut you don't have any wet dreams now?[7quote]


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but it's not archaic, I doubt it will ever be.
I once heard a guy say to not have sex would be the worst fate of all.
Many people agree with that. Like I said before, it's OK with
me if you do not want to have sex. I just don't understand why,
since you are such a horny guy. It's kind of scary, like one day you will
implode or bust a vein in your head...[7quote]

Yes it is=o Well,good for them,it's nice to see we have evolved over thousands of years,suprassed huge dificulties so people could enjoy sex -.-


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well yeah, I think her body is telling her she needs more sex,
I think your body is telling you to have sex too..hormones do that.


Sex is not a need.It's a lust =D I don't need it to be happy.


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that's not going to happen unless you become a eunuch...


Yes,it's gonna happen,i've been seeing Pornographic images,movies etc to make myself indiferent to them,and in the beggining i had an erection,now i don't anymore

It's like in the ancient times whn people would take small ammounts of poisons to make themselfs immune.


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Ejaculation leads to stress release, then sleep.



I kick my stress out thanks to martial arts =D


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but you are human now, nothing can change that but death.


Evolution can.


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you are already connected to all souls. All is One.


Man,that would suck!


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you do your part as well to make it seem wrong...


I do? I just pin point Mankind's obsession for sex it's all.


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I don't see artificial reproduction as evolution, it's the opposite.



Yeah,giving birth must be a hell of a experience,all that pain and stuff,must be najs(sweet)

Ah,you will see when you reencarnate in the future.=D


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just checking.


You thought i was what? 16?

I have had many chances to get "laid" wich i refused and to my amuzent i saw them,the females and males i refused call me gay or impotent hehe xD


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psychics who can see the aura say the aura is healthier with sexual love.[7quote]

That's their hormones working.



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that reminds me of a movie I saw! eek! it didn't work out..


That's because the script sucked !;o



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hah, so funny. [/quote9

I like u2 xD


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that's sad.
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Yeah,serial killers,rapers,Mass Murderes,Genocide,Rascism,starving,aging, has a weight on my liking of Species.



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but you have said you wish to help the human race, how could you be
successful if you do not embrace it...makes me wonder what kind of
help you are thinking of...[7quote]

one needs not to be Human to help mankind.

Look at Jesus Christ,Buddha,Aliens etc


i apologize  if im writting in a hurry my bus to work leaves in 5 minutes!!!! and i still have to get dressed!!


Title: Having Sex in My Dream
Post by: El-Bortukali on March 13, 2006, 15:16:23
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The Buddha more than anything else was a man, who went from childhood to manhood, got married, and at the age of 29 had his first child. He went through all the stages men go through sexually, but at the age of 35 ended his sexual desire forever in *Nirvana.


he ended his sexual lust/sex/needs whatever, when he made the effort to transcend(you know,become a monk etc)

I'm just starting earlier xD



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The Buddha in everything he said about sex implies...The activity of sex will never ultimately satisfy the desire for sex.

Now this is a real bummer if you think about it. You can have sex a 1000 times, and want it a 1001. You can be 90 years old... Blind and cripple... Still want to have sex, and not be physically able to. You will never get rid of your sexual desire by having sex. In fact, it seems the more sex you have, the more sex you want.

I think sex is a lot like hunger... And to be honest with you, I'm so tired of being hungry. I have been hungry every day of my life. I'm hungry in the morning, in the afternoon, in the evening. Think of all the time and money I could save if I gave up eating!

So what if tomorrow, I get up real early and eat as much as I desire, and anything I want. Whatever looks good, I'm going to eat it and keep eating it, until I am so full and satisfied, I will never want to eat again.

Well, if I were to do that what would happen? I would wake up the next morning and still be hungry and sex works the very same way!


I wish life were so easy!



See what i mean,if the hugner continues while try to satisfy it

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You might be saying to yourself, "Well Kusala is a monk, and monks don't have sex, so maybe if I choose celibacy I won't have to suffer."




lol i don't think like that.I have no reason to make sex.
I've said that for me the purpose of sex is reproduction,alas i wish not to  reproduce.



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The people who choose a celibate lifestyle ('desire' not to have) suffer in a different way from people that choose to have sex ('desire' to have). But all people (monks too) suffer when it comes to sex, if they have desire.

The only way to have sex and not suffer, is to have no desire to have sex. It sounds like a 'Zen Koan' doesn't it? To end our suffering we need to end our desire, our craving, our thirst. [7quote]


That's what i'm doing.



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When a Buddhist does end his/her desire in Nirvana, would there be any reason to have sex simply for pleasure??? [7quote9

Nope.The pleasure of the flesh is nothing compared to the ethernal bliss of Nirvana.



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you still have a "desire" to not have sex, hah![7quote]


i can't erradicate all desires in one year! :lol: