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Title: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 04, 2007, 21:20:44
Share your "validations" on this thread!

These could be

- Verifying physical events, people, or places you see whilst OBE
- Correctly reading a number or seeing a playing card whilst OBE (the "Card Trick")
- Being seen whilst OBE
- Shared dreams / OBE's
- Influencing others whilst OBE
- Meeting others who have passed over and obtaining some sort of validatory message

etc etc...

I do know that several board members have reported shared dreams, myself being one of them.

Please feel free to post your validations!   These could be anything really, even if it was just seeing a red car parked in the street and then confirming this when you returned to the physical!  Or maybe some one just "felt" your presence at the same time that you projected to them, or at the same time you thought about them whilst OBE?  I've seen a number of validations on this board and it would be good if we could collect them into a single thread?  Maybe we could get a thread going with some interesting stuff in it!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 04, 2007, 21:21:31
I'll kick off with an example:

A few years ago I was living in the south of England whilst my parents lived in their house in Leeds in the north.  One Saturday morning I AP'd and decided to pay my parents an "astral" visit.  So concentrating on their house in Leeds, I soon found myself outside in the street in front of the house.  It was a bright morning.  Walking up the garden path I passed through the front door and into the hallway in my parents' house, where I discovered my mother watching in utter surprise as I came in through the front door.

I calmed her down and explained that this was just a kind of "special dream" and she had nothing to worry about.  We walked through the living room and into the kitchen where I sat down on a very flimsy wooden "sewing basket", knowing that I couldn't break it.  My mother complained, saying I'd break the basket but I reassured her that I was "as light as a feather" and it wouldn't break.

Then I decided to show off, so I started pointing at objects, cups, jars etc, making them fly around the kitchen.  My mother was pretty shocked by all of this.  At this point I lost consciousness and returned to my physical body.

A little later in the morning I got up, had breakfast, went about my business and by mid-day, curiosity got the better of me so I decided to phone home, just in case anything "unusual" had happened there.  My mother answered the phone, sounding agitated, and as soon as she heard my voice said "Thank God! I thought you had died!".  It turns out that she had a "dream" which was identical to the OBE I had. 

She remembered dreaming that she was standing in the hall when I emerged in front of her by coming in THROUGH the front door. Shocked by this and feeling certain that something was very wrong, she continued to dream the same events that I had experienced - walking through the living room into the kitchen, complaining that I would break the sewing basket and then watching as I made objects fly around the kitchen.  My mother recounted the dream without prompting.  I didn't guide her in any way.

My mother's dream was identical to my OBE in every respect, and it troubled her so much that she was sure some harm must have come to me and that the dream was some sort of harbinger of bad fortune.  She didn't have a contact number for me so when I called she was extremely relieved!

So that's it!  I have other validations but that's a good one to get started.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Goober on February 04, 2007, 22:23:59
This is a great thread idea!

I've never had an OBE that was validated, considering I rarely have OBE's at all. Once I do though, I'll post it here.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on February 04, 2007, 22:34:00
One time, I woke up but did not move, and created a digital clock in my mind's eye. I saw 4:52. When I turned on the computer to check the time, it was 4:53PM. That made waking up in the afternoon much more pleasant.

Then there's the experience I wrote about recently. I had a false awakening projection where we were being forcefully moved to a house belonging to a person named _____, a friend of my mom's. I told my sister about it the next day, and she dreamt that she was invited to that same house for the night. We don't live near these people, nor have we seen them in quite some time... So it's a striking coincidence, to say the least.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: manuel on February 05, 2007, 05:56:47
Saw my dad in the yard once and noted his shirt, tried passing my hand through him, couldnt get a reaction, awoke and found him wearing the same shirt and pants.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: MisterJingo on February 06, 2007, 08:24:15
The most convining validation I have experienced yet involved my sister, when I was still living at home. I became lucid in a dream, which caused me to wake up. On waking I discovered I was paralysed and experiencing the vibrations. I rolled out, and for some reason, I decided to try and pull my sister out. I went to her room (in my experience the light was on in her room, but in reality it wasn't) and started pulling at her arm. When I finally got her out, I showed her how to float, and helped her float up to the ceiling (we had our heads sticking through into the loft). The experience wasn't much more than this. I returned to body and checked the clock.
Out of curiosity, the morning after this experience I asked my sister if she had any strange dreams. She went a bit weird and didn't want to talk about it. Later that evening, she opened up and told me she woken in the night to see a black 'smoky' figure (see through) leaning over her bed with its hand reaching out towards her, this terrified her. She doesn't recall any of what I did (pulling her out), but the times matched up.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 06, 2007, 09:46:29
Some good stuff guys!  MisterJingo that's a great one!  Keep 'em coming. I do remember reading about a couple of convincing shared dreams on the board somewhere but can't remember who posted them!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 06, 2007, 09:53:24
Ok here's another one..

As a teenager I used to regularly AP on a saturday morning whilst lying in.  I'd always go through the same routine of leaving my body, walking through the hall, down the stairs and out through the front door.  One day I mentioned to my brother that I'd AP'd but I said "You know it's strange because the front door was open this time and I know it's always closed".  He looked weird, and asked what time I'd AP'd.  I told him about 10:30 am.  He was visibly shocked and said that he had accidentallly left the front door open for a while at just that time.... Little things but still very curious...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: manuel on February 06, 2007, 09:53:49
Some good stuff guys!  MisterJingo that's a great one!  Keep 'em coming. I do remember reading about a couple of convincing shared dreams on the board somewhere but can't remember who posted them!

Was it me?

Ill repost it...


"I have done it once, how ever it was not done intentionally on my behalf, Here is the run down on what happened for those whom are inclined to know, it involved me, a good friend whom live 10,000 miles away in another country, and a deceased person whom was close to my friend in her life.

What I experienced was a dream if I can call it that, I had no visual perception's, how ever I could perceive my friend and the deceased person very close to me in front of me, next to each other, my consciousness was that like in a dream, so this is no lucid experience on my behalf, I than perceived her standing in front of me and with strong intent on her behalf, stating over and over again..."Manuel, were going to verify this! Manuel were going to verify this!"

What my friend experienced, she was experiencing what many call..I guess a lucid dream, I dont like that term, but ill use it non the less, she perceived me as being quite aware of the scope of the situation, the deceased person and I went inside this small hut for a few moments and latter emerged laughing, and me telling my friend just how really funny this guy is! she than came up to me and said "Manuel, were going to verify this! Manuel, were going to verify this.

True experience that was verified between us, please bear in mind we both never planed for this experience to happen, this is just one of quite a few experiences my friend and I have shared over the last few years."


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 06, 2007, 10:04:59
Manuel - no I don't recall having read that one before...   But yours was a great experience and exactly the sort of thing I think we are all interested in!  Shared dreams/LD/OBE are REAL. We are not just making them up! Thanks...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Spectral Dragon on February 09, 2007, 15:12:55
Validations can come in more forms than just OBE's  :-)

Not sure if your looking for any and all validations here, but through some forms of projection I have been able to verify where people where at a given time and I have had success in validating some things I have been told by spirits. These are a bit numerous but the one that sticks out the most for me is getting help finding where something was in a grocery store by being told by my guide "I've found it here."

My remote viewing validations, back when I was getting heavy into it in my early training days, had even a few hard core skeptics going. At one point I had been talking to a friend of mine for hours at work in the local grocery store without turning around. I had told her exactly where people were behind us and what they were doing without turning around. The look on her face was certainly worth more than the validation itself :)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Kraven Obscuria on February 09, 2007, 17:48:21
Here is an old one.  When I was a little kid I had OBE experiences all of the time.  I used to visit a place called "The Boys Club" for fun in the physical after elementary school.

I was around 8 or 9 years old and had the experience of flying thru the club at night, the lights were off.  I took note that the placement of everything ex. "pool tables, ping pong", was completly different than earlier that week.  Sure enough a couple days later when I went back there in the physical, everything was exactly as I had seen a few nights earlier!

Although I was able as a kid to invoke lucid dreams, OBE etc, I dint know much more about them at the time. I was "emotionally" tied to the club as it = fun back in those days.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Zante on February 09, 2007, 17:52:18
I wanted to hold off posting here because I'm in a discussion with a bunch of skeptics who seem very doubtful of everything.

I will share my clearest validation experience.

This was about a year ago when I was talking to a group of people in an internet chat room. I was being a bit flippant with regards to their philosophy of how people make up their own experiences to seem more mystical. At one point I was issued a challenge which entailed finding out where someone lived. I agreed, slightly worried at what I had gotten myself into, but made no promises.

I went to bed with my goal in mind but by no means determined to get the required information. The moment I closed my eyes I was being shown a city environment, I was facing a large block of flats with a park behind it. I had no control over what I was seeing, it was being shown to me. It's important to note that I wasn't asleep or dreaming, I had only just got into bed and was wide awake. My view focussed on a window of this flat and before long I found myself inside that room. Once inside I seemed to be able to look left and right by changing the amount of curiousity I exhibited to those  particular areas. The details were strong, a bed in the corner of the room by a door, a radiator by the window and a bookshelf above it.

I reported my findings the next day and much to my amazement the answer I got was...

"that's not so impressive".

It turns out the radiator had been removed a while ago but that everything else I described was 100% accurate. Well, in any case, I had certainly impressed myself. To this day when I bring this up, in the company of "skeptics", I get the response "you only got it partially correct". In a way it's slightly frustrating but that experience got me taking things a bit more seriously. If any of you have familiarised yourselves with the workings of the RTZ you will understand how it's possible to get overlapping information from past and present. Again, people will believe what they want to if given an opportunity, perhaps even me.

With regards to RTZ exploration, my sight leaves a lot to be desired. While in the projected double the most powerful sense for me is that of touch, I rarely get clear sight and if I do it doesn't last long as I get too excited. I've drifted through the walls of my house, confused as to where I was until I came into contact with a familiar piece of furniture/architecture. This happens quite regularly for me. It's gotten to the point where I now have boxes set up around the house (put there by others) with items I have to identify inside them.

It's something I look forward to provided that I am able to stay stable/focussed while "out".

In regards to shared dreams, I've had something similar. While enduring sleep paralysis at one time there was an entity floating back and forth in front of my bed. I couldn't make any of his features out clearly but there was a large protruding area on his face and it looked like there were large pieces of cloth dangling from him. I shared the experience with my younger brother who was shocked as his dream entailed being given an audience by a fat man wearing long black robes with a long, almost cartoon-like, nose on his face.      

I'm concentrating on validation experiences from now on as I want to remove all doubt from my mind. I look forward to reading more of everyone else's!  :-)

Edit: I've had many experiences but they can be argued as being my brain recording information while awake and then presenting it in a 3D context. I do not want room for doubt but when I'm in the company of skeptics, quite regularly, it makes it difficult sometimes.  :lol:

Although, it's certainly healthy to question onself. Don't doubt outright, just question. So far it's looking pretty solid though.  :-P


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 09, 2007, 18:09:16
I would be willing to put myself up for a subject to look in on.  I have a certain object on my desk to the right of my computer screen, it has not left the spot for over five years.. what it is?

I'll give everyone who wants to have a go two days to give guesses. 

I've become more skeptic over the years unfortunately, due to people who lie about their abilities.  But seeings how I've done some visiting myself, albeit I wasn't trying too, I know it can be done.

Good luck everyone!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Zante on February 09, 2007, 18:14:27
TalaNay, sounds interesting. If the object has been there for that long it should be viewable by someone provided they get the chance.

I'll certainly be trying!  :wink:


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 09, 2007, 20:19:03
Wow TalaNay.. that's a nice challenge.  Maybe I'll be able to get over to your desk, if I manage I'll let you know...

Zante.. interesting post, it sounds like you had a good validation there.  Unfortunately many people assume that because you didn't achieve 100% that makes the whole validation worthless.  That's a bit dumb to be honest.  I actually work with a bunch of "IT professionals" and I'm continually amazed at how open-minded they are.  When I do talk about ESP, philosophy etc, I almost invariably get a good hearing and discover many like-thinking colleagues.  It's quite eye-opening in fact.  It's important to be skeptical, but to dismiss out of hand at the first and smallest opportunity is as dim-witted as it is to be a blind believer.  A sense of proportion is called for, and I am seeing more and more of this these days, in the people I meet.

Kraven Obscuria and Spectral Dragon - thanks for the feedback!  Any good validation is worth posting.  I'm thinking of posting some excellent non-OBE validations I've had myself, but I'll leave these for a little while!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 09, 2007, 20:23:29
Quote from: TalaNay
But seeings how I've done some visiting myself, albeit I wasn't trying too, I know it can be done.

Would you like to expand?  :-)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 09, 2007, 20:26:34
I look forward to everyone giving it a try.  I didn't think I was going to be taken seriously. :)

As to the validations.  I don't know anymore.  I just don't need them like I used to.  I suppose that's a good thing.  As long as my life continues on the path it's on, that's good enough for me. 


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Zante on February 09, 2007, 20:26:55
I was going to ask the same thing. :)

I love to hear about people's experiences, that's what got me interested in the first place.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 09, 2007, 20:31:54
Would you like to expand?  :-)


I've mentioned them a few times on these very forums but were not noticed at the time.  :lol:  I will say that I was in contact with the people on a daily basis for awhile and I did not intend to "go" to them but I guess they were just on my mind at the time.

On two occasions I was mearly telling them my dream when they freaked out that I discribed their homes and surroundings.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on February 09, 2007, 23:28:56
I am massaging my crystal ball.

I see a desk.

I see miniature garden gnomes.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 10, 2007, 00:59:45
I am leary about the massaging of your crystal ball....  :lol: 

However, I do have a desk.  You don't get points for that, I already gave that away.  And no garden gnomes..sorry so, nope..try again. :)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Goober on February 10, 2007, 02:07:40
I think he was joking, lol.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 10, 2007, 02:21:09
I was hoping no one would joke this time so, I took the comments to be serious. 

I do want to make an amendment to my original criteria and that is....   when I said, "I'll give everyone who wants to have a go two days to give guesses"  to, I'll give everyone who wants to have a go, two days to express on what they see.

:)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on February 10, 2007, 03:21:50
I was being semi-serious -- as soon as I read your post, I saw miniature garden gnomes in my mind's eye... I really didn't know where that came from, so I thought it wouldn't hurt to try! But if it were that easy, I'd probably have a lot more validations on my record :p


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: David Warner on February 10, 2007, 21:59:03
Ap Friends,

It's been awhile since I've posted my latest validation attempts and tracking. I've been following whole heartdly for the last two years now of my own personal experiences and validations. Your more welcome to view the contents in my web site to listen/read.

I recently conversed with a hard-core skeptic and it was a terrible conversation, to say the least. Purely one tracked minded, not open to the slightest of possibabilities and claimed that NDEs/OBEs were all hullcinations.

It was a good and eye opening experiences because it did give me some good insight on a few things that I needed to add into my FAQs about skeptics. Here it is:

ē   What are your thoughts about skeptics and their views?
I totally respect the views of skeptics trying to prove that the out of body experience is false memories, hallucinatory, and generated in the brain. Itís always good to be objective towards this field of study. However, we should keep a open mind and not be quick to judge either. Hereís a near death / out of body experience to consider and seriously think about:
 
Example: How do you explain the near death experience of Pam Reynolds? Under a medical and scientific controlled environment she was able to validate with accuracy during her operation external events outside her body.

During her operation, Pam had no brain activity, no blood, no vital signs for over an hour to remove a tumor. Doctors, Scientists, Skeptics canít explain this experience but only try to theorize.

So how would a skeptic go about theorizing when experts in the medical / scientific fields can't.

Anyways, as I tracked my own personal success with obe's, I've come to one conclusion that if any skeptic asks "prove it to me". Why should I prove something that I've proved to myself and done the work.
                           
Here are the journal entries on my web site if those who are interested in validations.
   
1   07/14/05   Thursday   3:45 AM   3:52 AM   10:30 AM   10:37 AM   2 Of Hearts   King of Diamonds/8 of Hearts   Jack Of Diamonds   Couldn't Remember   416 to 1 - Validation   07-14-2005 -  Card Verification #1  - Conscoious & False Awakening Projection.Mp3

2   08/11/05   Thursday   11:04 AM   11:35 AM   N/A   N/A   6 of Diamonds   Ace of Spades or Clubs or 4   9 of Clubs   Possibly 4 of Hearts   No Validation   08-11-2005 - Real Rain.Mp3

3   08/11/05   Thursday   11:04 AM   11:35 AM   N/A   N/A   Grandville   Garden City         Validation   08-11-2005 - Real Rain.Mp3

4   08/30/05   Tuesday   9:45 AM   10:14 AM   N/A   N/A   4 of Spades   Ace / 2 Of Diamonds         No Validation   08-30-05 - Higher Level Contact.Mp3

5   09/18/05   Sunday   10:30 AM   10:45 AM   N/A   N/A   Grandville   Hospital         Validation   09-18-2005 - Part II Precognition Retrieval Hospital Astral Projection.Mp3

6   09/27/05   Tuesday   10:40 AM   11:00 AM   N/A   N/A   Grandville   House in Grandville         Validation   09-27-2005 - Bad Bad Leroy Brown Part II.Mp3

7   10/13/05   Thursday   8:30 AM   8:55 AM   N/A   N/A   3 of Spades   King of Hearts         No Validation   10-13-2005 - The King Of Hearts.Mp3

8   12/04/05   Sunday   2:30 AM   2:37 AM   N/A   N/A   Failed Attempt   Failed Attempt         No Validation   12-04-2005 - Contact II.Mp3

9   12/30/05   Friday   4:14 PM   4:40 PM   N/A   N/A   4 of Diamonds (Red Color)   King of Diamonds/Queen of Hearts (Red Color)          1/2 Verification   12-30-2005 - The King, The Queen and The Four Of Diamonds Red.Mp3

10   01/04/06   Wednesday   12:20 PM   12:26 PM   N/A   N/A   Grandville   House in Grandville         Validation   01-04-2006 - Am I Awake.Mp3

11   01/20/06   Friday   11:30 AM   11:52 PM   4:00 PM   5:00 PM   Eagle Ottawa Work   Sams Club         Validation   01-20-2006 - Sams Club.Mp3

12   02/28/06   Tuesday   8:00 AM   8:30 AM   N/A   N/A   Grandville   House in Grandville         Validation   01-04-2006 - Am I Awake Part II.Mp3

13   03/02/06   Thursday   7:00 PM   7:30 PM   N/A   N/A   Eagle Ottawa Work   N/A         Validation   03-02-2006 - I Love You!.Mp3

14   04/27/06   Thursday   11:00 AM   11:30 AM   N/A   N/A   Grandville   House in Grandville         Validation   04-27-2006 - Anniversary.Mp3

15   04/30/06   Sunday   1:30 PM   2:05 PM   N/A   N/A   Mom & Dads House   Mom & Dads House         Validation   04-30-2006 - Finally.Mp3

16   05/21/06   Sunday   10:30 AM   10:56 AM   N/A   N/A   Grandville   Mom & Dads House         Validation   05-21-2006 - Re-Union of Souls.Mp3

17   05/24/06   Wednesday   11:30 AM   12:09 PM   N/A   N/A   Grandville   Garden City         Validation   05-24-2006 - 2 for 1.Mp3

18   05/27/06   Saturday   10:00 AM   10:30 AM   N/A   N/A   Grandville   Grandville         Validation   05-27-2006 - VWB-AC.Mp3

19   07/04/06   Tuesday   9:30 AM   10:04 AM   N/A   N/A   Grandville   West Virginia         Validation   07-04-2006 - Route 49.Mp3

20   08/05/06   Saturday   8:00 AM   8:15 AM   N/A   N/A   Grandville   Garden City         Validation   08-05-2006 - The Dragons Fire.Mp3

21   10/26/06   Thursday   9:00 AM   10:00 AM   2:00 PM   3:00 PM   Wyoming   N/A   Grand Rapids   N/A   Validation   10-26-2006 - City Hall.Mp3

22   11/05/06   Sunday   10:00 PM   10:30 PM   N/A   N/A   Jenison   N/A         Validation   11-05-2006 - Hope BC.Mp3

23   11/06/06   Monday   9:00 AM   9:23 AM   N/A   N/A   Jenison   N/A         Validation   11-06-2006 - Hired.Mp3

24   11/08/06   Wednesday   7:00 PM   8:00 PM   N/A   N/A   Jenison
N/A         Validation   11-08-2006 - Screwed.Mp3

25   11/24/06   Friday   9:30 AM   10:00 AM   N/A   N/A   Jenison   Jenison   Validation   11-24-2006 - Tricked.Mp3

26   12/26/06   Tuesday   7:00 AM   7:15 AM   N/A   N/A   Jenison   Garden CityValidation   12-26-2006 - Artichoke, Artichoke, I Love You!


tvos


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Zante on February 11, 2007, 00:32:16
I think I'm going to put some more thought into my approach of this (OBEs). I'm going to focus on getting my mind made up so I can make my next decision. I'm prepared to dedicate my life to this if I can get solid verification beyond any doubt whatsoever.

I've been from being a skeptic -> fundamentalist christian -> wishful thinker to being on the verge of finding my personal truth. This is by far the most important thing in my life right now.

If my doubt is false then it will be killed by more experiences.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Goober on February 11, 2007, 00:40:13
I've been from skeptic -> fundamentalist christian

How did THAT happen?


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Zante on February 11, 2007, 00:42:21
How did THAT happen?

My first spontaneous experience scared me into it. It left me very confused ;)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: DH on February 11, 2007, 05:37:58
The closest thing I have had to a validation was one OB experience that seemed to be a hit by accident.  I had tried several times to direct myself to certain locations and people without any success, at least as far as I could tell.  But on one occasion, I was distressed when I got word about a dear friend I hadn't seen in awhile who quite ill.  She lived in St. Clears.  I went to sleep with her on my mind and awoke sometime later in what I thought was a lucid dream.  Then I realized that I was floating above a cottage or a house that was not clearly in focus, but I could make out a gray building with burgundy trim, and to my amusement, there seemed to be a multicolored pig  on the front porch.  The pig did me in!  I lost it before I could discern anything else or even try to make it inside.  I had no clue where I had been or what I had been looking at, but to make a long story short....I found out later that my sick friend lived in an apartment -- a gray building with burgundy trim.  On her front door was a colorful mosaic door knocker with a boar on it.  I seemed to have made it to my friend's home (from NYC to the UK) without even trying!  Do you supposed it was because I was worried about her and she was on my mind?  DH


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 11, 2007, 13:19:11
DH - that's exactly the type of validation I was thinking of when I started the thread.  I consider it to be a validation although the skeptically minded would label it coincidence, even though it goes beyond coincidence.  Any fair minded person would be reluctant to dismiss this as just coincidence.

I did once project to visit a friend of mine who had travelled to the US and had not been in contact for about 6 weeks.  I did find her, and that put my mind at rest that she was safe.  I never checked with her to verify that what I saw was accurate, because I didn't want to spook her.  Enough time has now passed and I should really verify the details.  Al I can say is that I saw her in what I considered to be a building which felt like a medical practice.  I later discovered that she was staying with a doctor, at his home which was also his practice.  But I should really confirm all of the details of what I saw to really count this as a good validation.

Zante - I wonder if you would be interested in sharing that first experience?

Tvos - thanks - I must check your website (again)!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Zante on February 11, 2007, 15:09:08
Quote
Zante - I wonder if you would be interested in sharing that first experience?

I was brought up in a family with christian roots, none of them were staunchly religious though and didn't seem to care what the other chose to believe after childhood. To that end I started drifting away from the idea of religion. During the time I was in my late teens I had all sorts of emotional problems going on (some of which I'd rather not talk about) and, in order to lessen the burden, I'd poke fun at those who believed in something that seemed so absurd to me, even my brother who pursued the idea of OBEs. I just thought of them as being weak, unable to cope with "reality".

There were times however, when things just seemed so hopeless, that I couldn't help but look to something I could believe as being more important than myself. So, that's when I started considering the idea of "God as an external entity". It was just a concept I kept in mind at the time, nothing more.

Lots of other things followed but it's this next experience which really got me thinking differently.

One night I found myself at the foot of a mountain, everything around this giant of a spectacle was flat. It really stood out. I looked up and, much to my surprise, my view zoomed in on the summit where I saw what I interpreted as being Jesus (it was the stereotypical archetype) looking down to me while waving, smile on his face to boot. There was a lot of meaning in it for me. That's the experience which gave me the final shove.

Looking back, it was probably the best thing that ever happened to me. It pulled me out of the box I was in, even if it was so I could experience another box later on. I was able to experience both ends of the spectrum thanks to that.

More spontaneous experiences followed and that's what got me to take my brother seriously (his interest in OBEs). I've done a lot of reading and I've heard and experienced some extraordinary things. I just need to be 100% sure of everything though. So far I'm about 95% certain that there's something very important going on here. Unless I can stand before a real skeptic with 100% confidence in my own truth, it's meaningless. It's amazing what some people need in order to be convinced. I've experienced just about every chakra sensation documented.

All I need to do is complete the experiment I've had set up for me successfully. : )  

Then my life begins anew, again. ;p



Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: AndrewTheSinger on February 11, 2007, 19:21:11
Talanay, I think it is a picture (60%) or a telephone (40%), but if it isn't I'll see if I can find out through the astral.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 11, 2007, 20:27:44
Zante - Thanks for sharing.  Personally I am 99.9% certain that during OBE/LD/AP (whatever you wish to call it) something is happening which is different from ordinary dreaming.  There is definitely a consensus reality to it, whether it is just a shared dream world, a collective consciousness, or a real alternate reality.  But the worlds we find ourselves in during LD/OBE/AP are shared in some way, and also overlap the physical world.  As to whether or not we need a physical body to support this activity, I don't know the answer to that.  NDE studies suggest strongly that we don't need the physical body either.  But the idea behind this thread is to gather validation that LD/OBE/AP is a shared reality....  and therefore "real" by my definition.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: David Warner on February 11, 2007, 20:41:18
Zante,

I thought the same way when I approached obe's, about obtaining proof, validation - if its real or not and just make believe.

As I started this quest 20 years ago, I can firmly say "yes, something is definitely there" are we able to prove this to others? The answer is "no" and it's based on our own personal experiences to prove it otherwise.

Its obvious that if this didn't exist, we wouldn't be talking about it, sharing our stories of NDEs/OBEs and helping each other. You definitely need to be wise and not take every experience literally but to learn from it.

Once I think you dig deep down into personal validation I think you'll find your own answers.

Tvos


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 12, 2007, 17:03:05
Hey Andrew,

I'm sorry but it's not either of those things.  I was hoping for people to try it out in the astral.  I've even gone into a light trance twice and "highlighted" the object, hoping that would help.  I don't know if it will, but thought it couldn't hurt.  :)

Tvos, I was sure you would want to give this a go.  You seem to have a high sucess rate.  Give it try!  I'm totally interested in seeing what you get.

I'll give it till wednesday.  Good luck!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: David Warner on February 12, 2007, 17:15:31
Talanay,

I am not a master yet, but I can at least achieve 2-3 obe's weekly. I do consider myself VERY lucky being able to put myself into the trance and leave.

Right now, I have a few projects that I'm working on which I need to focus on soley. I find that if I have too balls up in the air it gets confusing and side tracked when I do project of what I need to accomplish.

Tvos


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Selski on February 12, 2007, 21:19:18
This topic deserves to be a sticky for now, hopefully to become a Permanent topic.

My validation experience is in the FAQs, under Playing Card Experiment.

I've also had an experience where I met a deceased friend - how do you verify that one?!  :wink:

This is a great thread catmeow.  Thanks for the idea.

TalaNay - I will try but 48 hours may not be enough...  :-D

Sarah


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 13, 2007, 00:40:25
:D  I'll give you more time, no problem!  The "thing" has been there for five years, it's not going anywhere.  I'm thinking I should clean up my room a little now and wear a robe after inviting everyone to have a lookies.  :lol:


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Zante on February 13, 2007, 01:20:19
It's a fun challenge : p

The only problem is getting the right location/area. If we knew how to navigate our way there it would make the whole "teleport" scenario redundant.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on February 13, 2007, 03:15:25
I'll give it a serious try as well... I've been "on the edge" of projection a few nights in a row, hopefully I'll have one by the end of the week.

I must warn you guys though, it won't be a fair challenge. I will make use of my super-objective-vision theory AND my spirit guides  :-o oOoOoO


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 13, 2007, 11:43:12
hehehe.. Kiwi!  Good luck!

Tvos, no problem, I totally understand. :)



Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 14, 2007, 10:17:40
Sarah - thanks!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Stookie on February 14, 2007, 16:50:54
I have a silly story of what I thought would be validation:

2 nights ago I had and conscious-exit OBE and wandered around my house. I was so sure that I had was fully focused in the RTZ - I've been in my new house a few months now and everything was exactly as it was before my OBE attempt that night. It was all very solid, everything being in place. Then I noticed a crack in one of my new blinds. I inspected it and was sure this would be my validation. I made a note of which set of blinds and the area it was cracked.

So the next morning I get up and check, and the blinds are fine. I was positive it would be cracked. I checked all the blinds in the house, but nothing. Oh well.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 14, 2007, 21:13:37
Stookie - infuriating eh?  The RTZ is like that.

I posted the following minor validation earlier in this thread but it disappeared somehow! So I'll repost it...

I did once project to visit a friend of mine who had travelled to the US and had not been in contact for about 6 weeks.  I did find her, and that put my mind at rest that she was safe.  I never checked with her to verify that what I saw was accurate, because I didn't want to spook her.  Enough time has now passed and I should really verify the details.  Al I can say is that I saw her in what I considered to be a building which felt like a medical practice.  I later discovered that she was staying with a doctor, at his home which was also his practice.  But I should really confirm all of the details of what I saw to really count this as a good validation.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: DH on February 15, 2007, 05:53:25
DH - that's exactly the type of validation I was thinking of when I started the thread.  I consider it to be a validation although the skeptically minded would label it coincidence, even though it goes beyond coincidence.  Any fair minded person would be reluctant to dismiss this as just coincidence.

I did once project to visit a friend of mine who had travelled to the US and had not been in contact for about 6 weeks.  I did find her, and that put my mind at rest that she was safe.  I never checked with her to verify that what I saw was accurate, because I didn't want to spook her.  Enough time has now passed and I should really verify the details.  Al I can say is that I saw her in what I considered to be a building which felt like a medical practice.  I later discovered that she was staying with a doctor, at his home which was also his practice.  But I should really confirm all of the details of what I saw to really count this as a good validation.

Cat.....thanks for starting this thread and thanks for  responding.  I live around a lot of skeptics about these things and I'm also looking for validation.  It's really frustrating to know that you know in your inner "knower" but can't prove it to the satisfaction of those who aren't there yet.  blessings, DH


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 15, 2007, 11:56:20
TalaNay - I was "out" this morning and tried to get to your desk, but found it incredibly difficult!  I simply just didn't know how to get there.  I tried "thinking" of you and walking through a wall, hoping that your room would be on the other side but it didn't work.  Just couldn't "home in".  I'll keep trying though....  Next time I'll try the trick of going up into space and then dropping back down to earth, hopefully in the correct location...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: David Warner on February 15, 2007, 17:51:35
Stookie,

That would have been cool to see that the blinds were indeed cracked. Maybe this was a future event that you saw? If I were you, keep a tab on the blinds, maybe if you can remember draw to paper what the crack looked like. When the time does come when the blinds do indeed crack, compare the two. Something to think about!

I do hope you guys are tracking this and writing it down for future reference?

Tvos



Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 15, 2007, 19:38:47
TalaNay - I was "out" this morning and tried to get to your desk, but found it incredibly difficult!  I simply just didn't know how to get there.  I tried "thinking" of you and walking through a wall, hoping that your room would be on the other side but it didn't work.  Just couldn't "home in".  I'll keep trying though....  Next time I'll try the trick of going up into space and then dropping back down to earth, hopefully in the correct location...

The few people I managed to find were people who I had been talking to on messenger and on a regular basis for a few weeks.  I'd bet that it would be much easier if we knew each other better.  I love your techniques, I also walk through walls, fly through windows, and shoot through the ceiling but I never think of a destination I always get surprised..lol. 

I was thinking maybe instead of astrally trying to see it, if anyone is in touch with their guide and/or higherself, ask them to help.  I get quick pictures in my head, I'm not always right but I am right enough that I believe it's not just me.  The people who are using a pendulum, this would be a great opportunity to put it to use. :)

Good luck again!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Stookie on February 16, 2007, 16:43:15
Stookie,

That would have been cool to see that the blinds were indeed cracked. Maybe this was a future event that you saw? If I were you, keep a tab on the blinds, maybe if you can remember draw to paper what the crack looked like. When the time does come when the blinds do indeed crack, compare the two. Something to think about!

I do hope you guys are tracking this and writing it down for future reference?

Tvos

That's a good idea TVOS, I never thought of that. I'll definately keep an eye out. I did manage to write it all down.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: upstream on February 17, 2007, 15:55:56
Hi there friends, how is validation going today? I just wanna say I feel your pain Stookie. Looking for cracks and other minute details was somewhat typical for me when that creepy Ąim inda R.T.Z.Ē feeling would sneak in. But in reality, the more I was focused on details the more I was away from the RTZ.

The first thing you may notice when you hit the right spot in consciousness is how all encompassing and fluid your perception is. The key is to perceive in gestalts. You may also have a mild spheric distortion like looking through that peephole on doors or whatever, you know what I mean. So if you're going for those details that's already bad enough.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Zante on February 20, 2007, 22:41:08
The first thing you may notice when you hit the right spot in consciousness is how all encompassing and fluid your perception is. The key is to perceive in gestalts.

I've only had the feeling of knowing where everything is once. It was certainly fascinating and I'd like to have it more often.

Quote
You may also have a mild spheric distortion like looking through that peephole on doors or whatever, you know what I mean. So if you're going for those details that's already bad enough.

I've had that spherical distortion before, I wasn't sure what it was at first. It happened the moment I focussed on a particular object with the intent of examining it. It was followed by a high pitched noise and the session ended shortly afterwards.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: avocado on February 22, 2007, 07:12:47
Is it a sculpture of a cat? -first thing that came to mind

My best validation experience?
One time I exited my body, walked across the hall and noticed my dad in the bathroom.
I awoke, and found that he was indeed inside the bathroom.  :lol:





Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 22, 2007, 20:45:40
Ok, here's a small validation.  As a teenager I once projected to a friend's house and had a look around.  I'd never been inside his house before. The next day at school, I jokingly told him I'd projected to his house. I described the route I took, the rooms I went into, where the bedrooms, bathrooms, kitchen etc were, what type of furniture I'd seen etc, not expecting any of it to be too accurate.  I just mentioned it in passing really, because AP was something I was just getting into and I didn't take it too seriously.  My friend didn't say anything at the time.  But I later overheard him talking to another group of his friends, quite animatedly, saying "Well I know xxx keeps talking about AP, but whatever you think ... he's just described the exact contents of my house and he's never been in there!"  I was quite pleased....!  The guy whose house I described always took me seriously after that...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 23, 2007, 20:12:16
Quote from: avocado
Is it a sculpture of a cat? -first thing that came to mind

Hi avocado!

I'm sorry it isn't that either...  Keep trying everyone.  I am surprised that more haven't given a guess.  Don't be shy. :)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: karmakillernz on February 25, 2007, 09:08:24
Hi avocado!

I'm sorry it isn't that either...  Keep trying everyone.  I am surprised that more haven't given a guess.  Don't be shy. :)


I haven't had a successful OBE yet, but perhaps if I focus solely on finding the object on your desk things will happen. I'll let you know if I get anywhere... :)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 26, 2007, 00:13:20
I haven't had a successful OBE yet, but perhaps if I focus solely on finding the object on your desk things will happen. I'll let you know if I get anywhere... :)

Or use a pendy, spirit guide, higherself, etc....  :)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: karmakillernz on February 26, 2007, 04:40:32
Or use a pendy, spirit guide, higherself, etc....  :)

I tried last night, and I did get much further than usual. I felt like I was floating upwards quite rapidly, and I started seeing a white light which got brighter/more intense the higher I went. Unfortunately I got over-excited and I ended up ruining it. :-D I'll definitely try again tonight though.

There was one thing that kept coming into my mind, but I couldn't say if it was just a wild guess or not so I'll mention it anyway. Is the item on your desk a candle of some sort?


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 26, 2007, 19:50:16
I'm sorry not a candle.  I want to let everyone know that when you do give an answer, I look around my room to see if any other object has been zoned in on by mistake and non has.

I very much appreciate your enthusiasm and kindness Karmakillenz.  Even though it hasn't been "found" yet, it pleases me that you experienced what you did.  I know it may not be all thrilling to find out what's on my desk..hehe.  BUT it seems that other wonderful experiences can come along whilst trying.  :)

Keep trying and good luck!!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: AstralDouble on February 26, 2007, 20:11:30
I instantly thought about a little yellow/brownish (stone=) pyramid when I read your posts..  :?


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 26, 2007, 21:16:29
I'm sorry, no.  I do wish I had a pyramid to display though, I would love that!  If I reach a bit, the closest thing to the pyramid would be my PC game, Pharoah, but I just now had to pull it out from under a large stack of cds, to make sure I spelled Pharoah right. :D



Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: avocado on February 26, 2007, 22:05:24
It's a millenium falcon! Or some sort of wicked space ship miniature. 
That is my psychoanalytical guess, you seam like a star wars fan.  :-P


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on February 26, 2007, 22:17:39
Is it a conch shell? http://www.marathonseafood.com/images/conch_shell_200.jpg

I saw one on a desk in my dream last night...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 26, 2007, 22:26:09
It's a millenium falcon! Or some sort of wicked space ship miniature. 
That is my psychoanalytical guess, you seam like a star wars fan.  :-P

Hahaha.. I liked star wars, but love Star Trek better.  :)   But no ship. 


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 26, 2007, 22:29:17
Is it a conch shell? http://www.marathonseafood.com/images/conch_shell_200.jpg

I saw one on a desk in my dream last night...

No, I'm sorry.  I don't even own one of those.  They are beautiful though.  Does the shell mean anything to you?  To me, it represents listening.  Of course it could mean something completely different to you and others.  Have you been listening lately? :)




Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 27, 2007, 18:58:11
Aha! is it a large stack of CD's!! 

Just joking  :-).  I have been "out" but was preoccupied with other stuff  I will give it another shot though soon....


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on February 27, 2007, 21:26:25
HAHAHAHA!!  right you are!  :D

That would have been a pretty dense, glory moment for me to give the answer away!  :lol:

Good luck.. Hmmm.. My hubby is coming back tonight from being out of town on business.. wait till the weekend. *snicker* ;)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Jeff1234 on March 02, 2007, 05:05:47
manuel, that sounds really cool.  If i have any stories (which hopefully someday...) i will definitly post them


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: CFTraveler on March 02, 2007, 16:33:11
Ok, this morning I decided to take a nap, and I remembered this thread.  I decided to try to project.  It didn't work (the @#$ phone kept ringing) but I got a few hypnagogic hallucinations.  So here they are:
A magazine with a woman with white hair.  It looked like a drawn picture, but in the layout of a magazine, and a scene (which I interpreted as a picture) of a boy with brown curlyish hair on the ground holding a ball.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: David Warner on March 03, 2007, 23:19:56
time to turn off or pull the plug from the phone...:)

tvos


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: iNNERvOYAGER on March 04, 2007, 04:23:13
Last year, sitting at my desk early in the morning, practising quiescence, woke up to a void, then opened my eyes expecting to see the familiar desk and window in front of me.

To my amazment, I was sitting in front of someone elses desk. There was a window with blinds in front of the desk, but I had never seen the room before. The walls were smooth uneven plaster, and to the right of the small window was a collection of paper notes attached to the plaster wall.

I wanted to read at least one of the notices to make a mental note to remember the text for later reference.

The flyer like note I focused on was the size of a paperback book, and in large bold black text were the words, "LEX Girls" and other details that I didn't have time to read.

For some reason, as what happens to me frequently, I began to study the texture of the wall with a magnified, almost microscopic vision, then I woke up in time to get ready for work. (I study very sharp and clear vivid hypnogogic images of maginfied wall textures, usually stucco, weird, more or less from the perspective of a small spider or tiny insect.)

Don't have any idea what LEX Girls means, so I did a google search and the only thing close was a school track team competition schedule, and the name of a Lexingnton school track team and the abreviation of the girls team, "LEX Girls".

this isn't much of a validation, but i noticed the thread is pretty informal.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on March 04, 2007, 13:12:51
iNNERvOYAGER, interesting experience, shame there was no conclusion!  It will be interesting to see if you ever encounter "LEX Girls" or the desk environment some time in the future...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on March 04, 2007, 17:31:31
... Unless it's the place of his gruesome death :P

EDIT: In other news, I dreamt that I shot a fireworks rocket into my neighbors' house which landed on their microwave and blew up the whole house... My sister dreamt that she was at my aunt's house and their neighbors' house blew up too. We described the explosion to each other. I saw two white columns of smoke going up, she saw a nuclear explosion...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on March 07, 2007, 03:06:37
Anyone else playing mega millions tonight?

I gave my dad numbers that I got while in trance... I hope there'll be a pleasant validation :p


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Haridas on March 08, 2007, 09:38:30
I would be willing to put myself up for a subject to look in on.  I have a certain object on my desk to the right of my computer screen, it has not left the spot for over five years.. what it is?

Hello,

Here is my first post. Greetings everybody! I saw a yellow triangle with red border, seems like a coaster. Image is here:
http://10.220.100.184/www.drogowe.republika.pll/o/a-7.gif

All the best!
Haridas


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Selski on March 09, 2007, 20:16:09
I have a certain object on my desk to the right of my computer screen, it has not left the spot for over five years.. what it is?

I also have a certain object on my desk to the right of my computer screen.

Is your object the same as mine?

A mouse on a mousemat?

 :-D

Sarah

P.S.  Sorry, couldn't resist - I still haven't managed to remember *this thread* whilst out and about.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on March 12, 2007, 05:39:27
This morning I dreamt that I was with my parents in a house I didn't know, and the house had webcams in every room. When I woke up, I went on the computer and saw that my mom had tried to start a video conversation on MSN while I was asleep.

I went to a friend's house to do a school project... While we were working, I noticed that her webcam's "record" light was on. I don't know if she was recording us or what... Webcams don't usually have their light on unless they're recording... Maybe it was just the "on" light and I was being paranoid :p

Webcams, webcams, webcams. :O


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on March 12, 2007, 16:42:06
kiwibonga - that's interesting.  If your dream had followed the incidents you mentioned, rather than preceding them, no professional psychologist, psychiatrist etc would have any difficultly whatsoever in inferring a causal relationship between the two; ie the dream was probably caused by the webcam incidents.  However, since the sequence was in fact reversed (dream preceded incidents) I suspect that the same professionals would suddenly develop a mental block when inferring the same relationship.  I think your dream may have been some form of ESP.  It's quite possible.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on March 13, 2007, 21:40:29
I also have a certain object on my desk to the right of my computer screen.

Is your object the same as mine?

A mouse on a mousemat?

 :-D

Sarah

P.S.  Sorry, couldn't resist - I still haven't managed to remember *this thread* whilst out and about.

:lol:  Nope, that isn't it.  Shall I end the pain and just tell? :-D


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Paola on March 13, 2007, 22:11:41
I had one, where i find myself in a paddock above my house, i live in a rural valley, i look to the left and see an earthquake coming towards me in a straight line and white multistory buildings crashing down. I look forward and see the mountain in front mudsliding into the river below.

I turn on the news the next day and see that pakistan has had a massive earthquake, killed 40,000 and same day guatamala had a mudslide, buried a town of 1000.

The buildings in pakistan were the same.

Anyone heard or know anything about the schummans resonance? I thought it might have something to do with it.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on March 14, 2007, 02:16:56
:lol:  Nope, that isn't it.  Shall I end the pain and just tell? :-D

Nononono!! I still want a shot at it! :P


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on March 14, 2007, 09:13:22
Haha, I just had a weird projection... My trying-to-project body was elastic, I could move away from the physical but my legs stayed attached to the body, it looked like I was pulling apart a piece of chewed gum, my body was desintegrating!

As I was pulling away, I said "no! no! Let me go out! Damn! I need to see the desk! Show me the desk! TalaNay's desk!"

And I went into dream world as soon as I said that... Had two huge dreams, but I didn't get to see your desk :p I did find myself in a place I had never seen before... A big room with blue walls and white tiles on the floor... then I went into a living room with wooden walls, a large fireplace, a white, square rug in the center, a really large TV with two large speaker tower-things on either side, a bunch of boxes with anime characters on them containing two VHS tapes each... Then I was in this town where I noticed all the street signs were deep red with white text... Suburbian trains passed by right in the middle of the city, just under street level but still exposed to sunlight... I had a job in that dream, even had a girlfriend. Shouldn't have woken up! Lol!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on March 14, 2007, 11:48:53
Now this is interesting indeed!

First of all, I do have a family room that has wood paneling and a average sized fireplace, though it does have a rather large mantle. No white rug.  My kitchen has white linoleum but we are in the process of laying down a beautiful bleach wood flooring...it's looks really nice so far. :)

Upstairs where my computer desk is, I have a 36" tv which does have two large speakers on each side of it.  I'd say you were wondering about my house by the looks of it!  :-D 

I'm not sure about the last part of your post.  Sounds like you were somewhere else at that point because non of that sounds familiar and not to mention, I would not allow that anime in my home. :lol:  No offense you anime fans out there.  To each his own.

Anyhoo Kiwi, that was a fantastic job!  but it goes to show that it's damn near impossible to just pop around looking in on people and get a totally accurate visual.  Now I wish there was something I could give ya...well, besides a karma point...lol   Well done!

Keep trying folks!



Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on March 14, 2007, 14:43:21
Would you happen to have pictures of the inside of your house? I'm interested in seeing if the TV and fireplace look anything like the dream! (they were clearly in the same room over there though :p)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Blackstream on March 14, 2007, 14:48:14
Hey, an idea Nay.  What if you took a picture of a decent size chunk of an unrelated part of your room?  Then people could focus on that and try to project there, then find your desk and the object.  It might help, I dunno, I've got no OBE skills yet so I can't say for sure one way or another if that'd help.  I'm still trying to recover my lost lucid dream skills so I'm afraid I won't be of any personal help.

EDIT:
I swear I started this post before the above post was made.  Rather good timing on my part >_>


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on March 14, 2007, 17:14:32
I'll look around to see if I have any pictures of my room, give me a day or two and if not, I just might have to hook up the webcam again and take some pictures that way.  Good idea, both of you. :)



Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: avocado on March 17, 2007, 07:35:42
Is it a turtle sculpture, made of some sort of rock?  :|


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on March 20, 2007, 14:00:18
TalaNay, pics pics pics pics!! :P


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on March 21, 2007, 11:35:58
lol, sorry kiwi, I've been busy but here is a picture of my tv.  It's not a great one but those are the speakers that run up both sides of the screen.  I'll take a different picture of my room as soon as I clean off all the clothes laying on the chair.. :lol:

(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n144/Rainey_02/Image006.jpg)


Hmm..ok, that is a crappy picture but the best I can do right now until I have time to mess with the quality.   We got a new computer and I think the webcam is still configured for the crappy computer. :)

Avocado.  No, I'm sorry no sculpture.  :(


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: MisterJingo on March 21, 2007, 12:09:47
lol, sorry kiwi, I've been busy but here is a picture of my tv.  It's not a great one but those are the speakers that run up both sides of the screen.  I'll take a different picture of my room as soon as I clean off all the clothes laying on the chair.. :lol:

(http://i111.photobucket.com/albums/n144/Rainey_02/Image006.jpg)


Hmm..ok, that is a crappy picture but the best I can do right now until I have time to mess with the quality.   We got a new computer and I think the webcam is still configured for the crappy computer. :)

Avocado.  No, I'm sorry no sculpture.  :(

SG-SG1? :p


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on March 21, 2007, 16:17:50
LOL.. no, I was watching You've got mail the other day when I took the picture. :)  Meg Ryan is on that SG show?

P.S.  I just got an idea for a game for everyone.. name that show.. :lol:


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: MisterJingo on March 21, 2007, 16:21:54
The screen shot wasn't too clear and the woman looked very much like:

(http://www.stargatenovels.com/images/sam_carter.jpg)

who is a main character in SG1 :)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on March 21, 2007, 16:23:42
Oh yeah, they do look a lot alike!  Sorry bout the picture quality, I am going to look into. 


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on March 23, 2007, 20:28:30
Well, unfortunately the TV didn't look like that :p The size and shape were similar, but the screen was completely flat (level with the frame, not convex), and the two tower speakers were not attached to it, they were part of a surround system, separate... Symbolically speaking, I guess it's somewhat accurate (though a large TV with two speakers on either side isn't exactly a rare sight :p).

Anyway, new ""validation"" ; I dreamt that I lived with my parents and we were very poor. It was christmas morning. They had saved money for a full year to buy me a moped, it was all crummy with the paint chipping off, looked like it was about 20 years old. They apologized, saying that this was the best they could buy with one year worth of savings. I was deeply moved by the gesture, even though I didn't want or need a moped. I took it for a spin, and after a few minutes on the road, the brakes stopped responding. I tried to brake with my feet, but I crashed into the back of a bus. I was fine, the moped was in pieces though!

Well, today my mom shot me an email, she was thinking about going on a family trip to Hawaii for christmas, and that would be our christmas gift. Extremely expensive, and not really something I'd want to have. I mean, I wouldn't mind going to Hawaii with friends or a special someone... But with my parents... I don't know, I guess I'm not much of a 'family vacation' type :p Over $2000 per person on average if you count all the expenses... I'd feel guilty making them spend the year's savings for something I'm not really interested in. About as guilty as I felt in the dream when they spent all they had to buy me a broken moped.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on March 24, 2007, 02:14:21
kiwibonga - sounds like a good validation to me....  :-)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Mendel on March 24, 2007, 23:54:41

 My experiments and subsequent "validations" from 2005 are posted here:
http://www.mysticalexplorer.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2 (http://www.mysticalexplorer.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2)

 TalaNay: I didn't make it to your room in my projection last night, but I was thinking about
 your experiment and noticed a light blue object on my brother's dresser. It had five connected vertical
 open cylinders and little symbols of animals on it. It almost seem to sparkle as though it were made
 from glass.

-mike


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on March 25, 2007, 17:32:58
Mike, thanks for the list of validations.  I particularly liked the "chicken soup" one!  :-)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: MilitiaMan on March 28, 2007, 02:27:53
Hey, I've been watching these forums for awhile, without posting. I finally had an experience worth sharing, so here goes:

(a bit of background on my AP/OBE experience)
I have only left body consciously 4 times, each one progressively longer, and more interesting.

I have studied AP/OBE's for close to a year now, and have worked on it for about 6 months now.

Just a few days ago, I was dreaming about being out of body (i am very sure it was a dream, but maybe i am mistaken) and flying around at work, messing with people because I hate my job. I work with a certain girl who I had a relationship with back 4 months ago. Suddenly my dream faded completely and I was in Focus 10 (mind awake-body asleep). There were no visuals, but I heard her voice softly saying something. I couldnt quite make it out at first, but as i focused it became louder.

She said: "Trevor, I just had a very strange dream about you. I want to tell you about it, but I don't know what's going on right now."

She sounded very confused. Now, this was a first for me, and I was a bit shocked. I stopped doing drugs a long time ago, and there was absolutely no reason for me to be going insane and hearing voices.  :-)

Needless to say, I phoned her up that day:

me: "Hey, did you have a weird dream last night?"
her: *shocked gasp* "umm... yea, why?"
me: "Well, this is going to sound pretty crazy, but you talked to me last night"
"you mean like... i called you in my sleep?"
"no... you talked to me through our dreams"
*silence for awhile* "Trevor, I don't know what to say, but here's my dream: (insert absolutely meaningless, but very strange dream that included me here) "
me: "yea that's a weird dream alright, you said you had no idea what was going on, are you sure nothing else happened?"
*silence* "yea I don't think anything else happened"
"ok, see ya at work!"


So, she talked to me in dream, but I believe she may have either been out of body and extremely confused, or just lucid and confused. She is not into dreams or OBE's at all, and mocks me for believing it all the time, so that would explain the confusion.

What do you all think?


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: AndrewTheSinger on March 31, 2007, 22:59:39
Nay, the object you have there is a:  vase.

Heard it/thought it up while in a semi-trance, there was something else to it but I accidentally interrupted the flow after receiving 'vase', maybe chinese vase?

Have a good feeling about this one...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on April 02, 2007, 14:35:00
This is interesting.  A couple of people have been seeing objects down in my family room, which is  directly below our bedroom. :)  And what is even more interesting is where my computer desk is located, is pretty much directly above where the vase is and it is a small beautiful chinese vase.

I have a feeling no matter how much I say it's ok to have a bunch of people floating around in my very private bedroom area... I don't think I really want it to happen. :-D  Not to mention every night I do the same protection routine.  The family room is more comfortable and I'm going to pick an object down there instead. Give me a day to really focus on it and whatnot and start again.  I think this is going to be good. :)

Oh and btw the object on my desk was a plastic easter cup, filled with pens and pencils.



Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Tristanh on April 03, 2007, 12:01:55
This is interesting.  A couple of people have been seeing objects down in my family room, which is  directly below our bedroom. :)  And what is even more interesting is where my computer desk is located, is pretty much directly above where the vase is and it is a small beautiful chinese vase.

How interesting... go upstairs people ! ;-)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: AndrewTheSinger on April 03, 2007, 13:15:58
Awesome! Ah, don't worry, I haven't been floating around there. :-D I figured I get more accurate answers by researching while in trance.

That's pretty cool, because the only thing I got was 'vase' , then I thought - chinese vase, and it sounded good.

Now the object in question, cup and vase are similar in shape and use, but you're using the cup as a vase since you're keeping things in it, right?


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on April 03, 2007, 15:32:45
Yes, hehe.. I am using the cup like a vase but the vase is empty..just sitting there looking pretty. :)

I have to apologize, I haven't really thought in depth about a new object.  I was lingering over one this morning before getting up but not committed.   The kids are home for Spring Break and I haven't a moment to think.  That's right, I'm blaming the kids. :lol:

P.S. Your post count reads, 666 Andrew.  Are you superstitious?  :-D



Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: cavernstoy on April 03, 2007, 18:40:43
Last night I was trying to phase.  I was seeing extremely vivid imigery.  I wanted to test if I had a remote viewing ability so I imagined a clock.  The clock said 6:21.  I sat up and looked at my clock; it said 6:28.  Whats cool is that my clock is seven minutes fast.

Cavernstoy


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: AndrewTheSinger on April 05, 2007, 08:55:42
P.S. Your post count reads, 666 Andrew.  Are you superstitious?  :-D

Oh, not really superstitious, but better not keep that for too long  :lol:


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Mendel on April 10, 2007, 01:25:02

 Ok - it's a bit out of context, but,

 Pencils/pens = "vertical cylinders"    8-)

 Talanay: thanks for the experiment.

-mike


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on April 10, 2007, 12:20:47
Hi Mike!

I can't believe I failed to see your post, I'm sooooo sorry!  I went back to see what you said and what is absolutely crazy is, I have never mentioned that there are some little bunnies on the cup and you mention animal prints!! 

Looks like we got a winner!  Very impressive Mike! :-D 

I should mention I've pick out a new object and have been thinking about it periodically through out the week.  Give it a try y'all. 

Good luck!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on April 10, 2007, 13:13:33
Quote from: TalaNay
I can't believe I failed to see your post, I'm sooooo sorry!  I went back to see what you said and what is absolutely crazy is, I have never mentioned that there are some little bunnies on the cup and you mention animal prints!!

OK - I missed something?!  Can someone please point me to the post! Thanks...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on April 10, 2007, 15:46:03
Hehe.. I missed it the first time too.

Page seven, I believe the 5th post down.

 
Quote
My experiments and subsequent "validations" from 2005 are posted here:
http://www.mysticalexplorer.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=2

 TalaNay: I didn't make it to your room in my projection last night, but I was thinking about
 your experiment and noticed a light blue object on my brother's dresser. It had five connected vertical
 open cylinders and little symbols of animals on it. It almost seem to sparkle as though it were made
 from glass.

-mike

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_obe_discussions/validation_thread-t25607.90.html



Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: AndrewTheSinger on April 10, 2007, 17:24:20
It would be cool if we made some rules, like a limited number of guesses per person, so that everyone can feel comfortable in posting their guesses without having to be totally certain about them, I think 4 is good, and a deadline, could be about 20 days.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on April 11, 2007, 16:09:58
I wasn't serious about winning.  No one is getting anything..hehe..   I'm good without rules because all I'm doing is thinking about an object in my family room but if you guys think we need a set please do so. :)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Novice on April 20, 2007, 17:09:25
Catmeow asked me to post a few examples of the verifications I've made on meeting people while 'out'. I should explain that as it stands, there's only one person I know who has good dream recall and is improving on her level of consciousness (getting/remaining lucid). So most of my experiences have been with her.

dream: I get lucid and focus on B (my friend). After a few moments I arrive near a large pond behind a house. B is sitting their tossing rocks in to the water. I call to her and tell her its me. She sees me and calls my name as she stands up, but then disappears.

waking: I email B in the morning to see if she remembers seeing me last night. She writes back that she remembers being near water and I approached her. She got excited when she realized I was their and she was getting lucid and immediately she woke up.


dream: I draw the outline to a door in mid-air and write B's name on the door. Then I open the door and enter a bedroom. I see B asleep on the bed and her husband at the foot of the bed getting dressed for work. I jump on the bed and bounce hard telling her to wake up. She wakes up, but appears sleepy. I tell her she's dreaming and she needs to wake up because I want to take her flying. She nods ok and I take her hand. I rise up in the air with her. But I lose her when I go through the ceiling.

waking: In the morning I email B that I tried to visit her in her bedroom last night. She wrote back that she dreamt of me in her bedroom. She said I kept jumping up and down on the bed all excited. She remembered holding hands and floating up. But then she ended up on top of a mountain with her brother.


dream: I visit B to find her in a large house having a tea party (totally out of character for her by the way). I'm watching, confused as she is dressed in pink and everyone else is a woman and all are wearing dresses and carrying tea cups. She comes up to me to pour me some tea. I explain that she's dream and to wake up. But she is totally absorbed in the tea party and ignores me. She seems completely out of it.

waking: I call B in the morning because the dream was so strange. She answers sounding horrible. She's had a bad head cold and her husband has been bringing her tea every hour to drink.


dream: I get lucid and decide to visit my sister L. I find her in a huge building. There are large open hallways almost like a mall, but bigger and lots of other people are there too. I look and finally see L standing nearby. I call to her, but she looks scared and starts running away. I'm confused and run after her, weaving in and out of people until I lose her in a crowd.

waking: call L to see if she remembered me in a dream last night. She said no, but she did remember a scary dream. She was in the Mall of America and someone was chasing her through it.


I have mentioned in a few other threads related to meeting people while in the astral, time zones and being asleep at the same time are not important. The only meeting I've had described above that has been in the same time zone was with my sister. Most of the ones I describe above with B were when she was 6 hours ahead of me. So she was awake and having lunch at the time I was having the experience. And she was having the exprerience when I was out could -- about midnight my time. The rest occurred when she was 3 hours behind me. Again, it makes no difference. All of this functions on a level of consciousness beyond the limits of time. Time is only attached to it when we acknowledge the exprerience within the physical.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on April 22, 2007, 00:39:30
Thanks Novice, I really appreciate the post.  These shared dream experiences are highly significant I think, very good validations, very similar to the one I posted.  I'm really interested in what you said about the time shift between yourself and your dream-buddy - I've never thought about it before. 

There can be no reasonable doubt that you shared dreams with your dream-buddy(s), but the time-slip element is fascinating.  Whether these experiences are explained as objective meetings in "the astral" or whether they are "telepathic synchronicities" doesn't matter, there is in either case a working ESP element which appears to allow for, or include a time-slip.  I wonder if there is a limit to this time-slip?  In all of the cases you mentioned, it was only a matter of hours.  Is it possible to share dreams but with time-slips of days, weeks or even years?

In my own experience, where I shared a dream with my mother, I never established whether we both had the dream at the same time or not.  I've always suspected that my experience could have been an hour or so after my mother's - purely because my mother tends to get up earlier in the morning than I do, and I tend to project "late" in the morning.  I do know that as far as I can tell, I was exercising free will.  In fact I believe I was driving the whole experience by leading my mother, explaining details to her, pointing at things and making them float around etc.  So if my mother's dream preceded mine (as I suspect it may have) that is very interesting indeed.  How could she have been "led" by me an hour before I had done the "leading"?

The elegant explanation, as you have said, is that time is more slippery in the astral than it is in the physical.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Novice on April 22, 2007, 13:40:08
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Whether these experiences are explained as objective meetings in "the astral" or whether they are "telepathic synchronicities" doesn't matter, there is in either case a working ESP element which appears to allow for, or include a time-slip.

Personally, I think all experiences are based on conscious awareness. The consciousness is not bound by time or space -- it is limitless. Nothing moves as quickly as a thought. I think all of these experiences (dreams, OBE, AP, or beyond) are all simply different types of consciousness. What you call ESP is simply a word used to describe the experiences of a little understood type of conscious awareness -- that of things beyond the physical senses (hence the name extra-sensory perception). To me, telepathy is simply communicating without a mouth -- it is the non-physical sense to speech. I believe that each sense as a non-physical component, thus varying types of ESP. Whatever you choose to call it though, it is all simply a function of consciousness -- what you are able to become of aware of at the time.

But these experiences were more than simply telepathy. I have experienced this only once. And it was clearly distinct. I was wide awake, well aware of my surroundings and could 'hear' the person speaking, in their own voice, in clear sentences. But the person wasn't physically saying a word. That is not what my experiences are like. During each of these experiences, it wasn't simply communication that was shared. I could see and feel the surroundings just as she did. That involves sight, speech and touch - I think these types of experiences are more 'robust' in that respect -- more is perceived than simply telepathy.

Quote
as you have said, is that time is more slippery in the astral than it is in the physical

Actually, I'm currently of the opinion that time does not exist beyond the physical -- at least not as its understood within the physical. I can't really put words to it very well, its more of an intuitive understanding based on my experiences.



Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on April 22, 2007, 18:34:00
Quote from: catmeow
Whether these experiences are explained as objective meetings in "the astral" or whether they are "telepathic synchronicities" doesn't matter, there is in either case a working ESP element which appears to allow for, or include a time-slip.

Actually, one point I'm making here is that "shared dreams" must involve ESP - but this does not necessarily prove that we are leaving our bodies, or that we survive physical death.  It's possible that "shared dreams" result from a merging of the minds of the participants (this is what I meant by "telepathy").  If this is actually the case, then we may still need physical bodies and brains to keep our minds alive, and when our bodies die, so do we.

We really don't know for sure what the mechanism is, but these experiences do seem to prove at the very least that "ESP" exists.  And that's quite a good starting point!

Curiously, when Ingo Swann was being tested for remote viewing, he sometimes described scenes which the "transmitting observer" hadn't yet physically seen.  I forget the precise details, but on one occasion he was being tested by a government official, who was acting as the "transmitter".  The official was driven along a route which took him over a bridge with scenes of water and boats.  Swann described the scene some half an hour or so before the government official actually drove this route and observed the water and the boats.  So the same time-slip effect seems to happen with remote viewing as it does with LD/AP/OBE.

Quote from: novice
Actually, I'm currently of the opinion that time does not exist beyond the physical -- at least not as its understood within the physical. I can't really put words to it very well, its more of an intuitive understanding based on my experiences.

Yes I understand.  I use the term "time-slip", because it seems like a useful term when the time differential is only an hour or so.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Novice on April 23, 2007, 13:19:36
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It's possible that "shared dreams" result from a merging of the minds of the participants (this is what I meant by "telepathy").  If this is actually the case, then we may still need physical bodies and brains to keep our minds alive, and when our bodies die, so do we.

I agree that any type of communication is a form of "merging of the minds". However, I disagree that we need our physical bodies or brains to do so. To me, the mind and the brain are not the same thing. The mind is the seat of individual consciousness while the brain is the physical manifestation of that consciousness. The brain needs the mind to function, but the mind does not need the brain to function. The mind is the "ESP" element, if you want to use that verbage, to the brain's physical component.

I have also conversed/visited with deceased loved ones -- which I obviously can't verify the way you are attempting to do in this thread, as they no longer are alive. However, I've experienced enough meetings with 'alive' individuals to know whem I'm creating a dream element and when its 'real' communication. I've also experienced both dream and real meetings with individuals and know the difference either during the experience (depending on my level of awareness at the time) or immediately upon waking. So there is no doubt in mind about whether or not we die at the physical death -- we do not. I can honestly say I have no fear of death whatsoever.

But that is also part of the reason I did not initially post to this thread. I know what I know based on my thoughts and experiences. Many of these experiences are subjective in interpretation, for the most part. So I don't really understand how attempting to verify experiences helps others, unless simply motivation. I do not feel the need to 'prove' my experiences are 'real' to anyone, nor do I think I should. I think each individual should be motivated based on their own drive/desire and then they need to experience and form their own conclusions.

I'm not trying to sound argumentative or anything, but I typically do not post to any threads testing for verification or proof of the experience because of the reasons I just stated above. I have drawn my own conclusions at the moment, which like anything else in life, changes depending on any more experiences/thoughts/feelings I have as I grow and learn.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Ters on April 23, 2007, 14:56:28
Hi,

In one of my projections, some years ago, I decided to go to visit my parents' house, which is 15 km far away. It was 10:00 in the morning. I overflew my city, following the way to the hose of my childhood. I could recognize all the details, the highway, the fields...

When I arrived the house and I went into it, I see my mother cooking in the kitchen. I tried to call the attention but she did not react at all, like she couldn't see me.

Later, I went to my sister's bedroom. In that time, she was still living there, but in that moment she should have been working in the office. I checked all was normal in the room. She wasn't there, as I expected. Some thing attracted my attention. There was a paper on the table. I approached to it and I could see it was like a note. I had many problems to read it (like usually reading something out of the body). But at the end I was able to understand what It said: ďPRESENT FOR _____ (my real name)Ē

More things happened, but to summarize I went back to my body and made a decision: I would go physically to my parents' house to check all those things. I did it, what it took twenty minutes, and my mother was there, in the kitchen cooking. I say hi and I went into my sister's room, very thrilled. There was a note on the table, exactly like the one I saw being out of the body, which said: ďPRESENT FOR _____ (my real name)Ē. Then I imagined she was thinking in my birthday, that would be in two weeks.

I think it is a perfect validation of an out of the body experience.....


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on April 23, 2007, 18:55:13
Hi Ters - Thanks so much for adding your validation.  It is a great validation well done!  :-)



Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on April 24, 2007, 01:42:48
Quote from: Novice
But that is also part of the reason I did not initially post to this thread. I know what I know based on my thoughts and experiences. Many of these experiences are subjective in interpretation, for the most part. So I don't really understand how attempting to verify experiences helps others, unless simply motivation. I do not feel the need to 'prove' my experiences are 'real' to anyone, nor do I think I should. I think each individual should be motivated based on their own drive/desire and then they need to experience and form their own conclusions.

Well this is the old chestnut of different people having different needs in terms of validation.  I really started this thread because I was pretty sure that the experience of "shared dreams" was very common, and could prove to be a rich seam of "white crows":  William James (I think) said that "in order to disprove the hypothesis that all crows are black, we need only find one white crow".  Well I think we already have a couple of white crows on this thread.  Thanks once again for your contribution.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Canicula on April 29, 2007, 08:45:45
Hi all :-D  i just confermed what i believe to be a validation experience. this validation came from a dream i had on the 23rd of this month, and i had also recorded the dream in my digital voice recorder. ill explain the dream quickly

on 4 23 07 i had a dream about me my buddy tyler and rob. we were in my house and i was smoking weed with tyler, and rob was sitting at the table. i don't smoke weed in waking life ..but anyways i remember rambling on about the weed, then walked over to where rob was seated and noticed that he had a fairly big bag of weed  and he was rolling a joint...but he doesn't smoke weed in real life either because he has sobered up and hasn't smoked for 2 years or so. he had gone to rehab and everything so sobriety has been a big part of his life!


anyways i remember saying to rob "hey.. you have weed to" then he said "yeah" and i said " oh cool". i still didn't clue in at this point that anything odd was happening. so i don't remember much about this environment and the next thing i can remember we were at an arcade. i was browsing around looking at all the different games when i bumped into a friend from high school. right away i became completely lucid and started asking him questions about rob. it was weird because somehow i knew it wasn't my friend from highschool but almost like  a way i could get information, or so it seemed?? it felt like i could ask him questions and he would know the answer to them, so i asked him about rob smoking weed. i said "so rob has been buying weed from you" and he said "yes". then i asked him "is he doing hard drugs" and he replied "nope he doesn't do hard drugs". then i said "so how long has rob been smoking weed for" he said "5 months".shortly after this i had woke myself up so i could record the experience while it was still fresh in my mind.


so today i was at my brothers house and rob was there. we were just hanging out and he lite up a joint!...lol i was like "ROB YOUR SMOKING WEED" he was like "oh i know i started up again"....i asked him for how long has he been smoking for, and he said "a few months". so i said "5 months right?" and he looked at me strange and said "yes just before Christmas".

if anyone has any input feel free to tell me what you think


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on May 19, 2007, 06:14:37
I had a semi lucid experience. My sister said "Here, mail for you" and put an envelope on the couch. I knew she didn't hand it to me directly because I wasn't "available" in her dimension -- i.e. I was actually sleeping. She could see me and talk to me, but she could not give me the letter. I decided to check out the envelope before I woke up, ripped it open... It was about 10 pages of tiny text... I couldn't read any of it, so I just gave up and dwelved into another dream involving crumbling skyscrapers and robots...

Anyway, I woke up, and sure enough, there was an envelope for me on the couch. It didn't look anything like the envelope from the dream... It was the electricity bill! :P

It's possible that I heard my sister put the envelope on the couch, since the living room is right outside my room... But I like the idea of a magical psychic event better :p


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on May 20, 2007, 16:56:52
It's possible she also muttered "here, mail for you" under her breath and you heard this... so I'd just ask her if she muttered anything!  But I believe these type of synchronicities are common in dreams.  Thanks for sharing!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on May 30, 2007, 17:46:51
I have a validation.  I'm going to shorten up the experience because it will turn into a small book otherwise.. :)

I found myself in some sort of cabin, that was partially built into the side of a mountian.  No electricity, with candles about the small one room.  There was a mud oven off-center of the room and three women in wool type cloak things were there.  One of them was cooking something at the oven.  I went over looked in the oven, then walked over to this window, which was not a normal sized window you see these days.  It was more rectangle than anything..   Anyways, there was a blank canvas there. 

Now, the only reason why I happened upon this cabin was I was looking for a beach, a beach that felt like no other beach.  The peace and happiness I felt while there was almost too much and my hubby woke me up whilst in the mist of enjoying it.. and I wanted to go back quickly!  That is when I found the cabin.  I think I search the astral by going through doors and windows.  Everytime I walk out a door I find myself in another location, but I digress.

When I 'went' back, I had two of my closest friends with me this time.  We left the cabin and I saw a pair of glass doors a few feet away and I could see the ocean and beach, but I felt such a connection to these women, that I just had to go back to them.  My one friend wanted to come, I wanted to go alone.  Thank goodness for my other friend, who convinced her that I needed to do this alone. :)

I walked back thru the wooden door and started painting on the canvas.  I haven't picked up a brush in many months and was very much into it.  After, I have no idea how long, one of the women came up to me and said, "it's time for you to go, you are finished"  I responded that I wasn't finished, I just had to get that one part right, the sun rays...something about that bothered me.  I asked one of the other women to hold the canvas, but she had some kind of physical problem that caused her to shake pretty bad so, my painting started to get smeared.  I took it back from her and sprayed it with gloss...weird because I don't use the gloss.

I went back out the door and was about to go through the glass doors when I woke up!  Arrrrggghhhhh...

Validation time.

I, of course called one friend and told her of the experience and we mulled it over.. Past-life?  A few days later my other friend called me and I started telling her about the experience.  Half way through describing the painting she told me that I was freaking her out.  "why?" I asked..  "Because I just painted something for my mother for Mother's Day and I had problems with the sun rays and my painting was getting smeared"  Ok, that was freaky!   I then said.. "you didn't spray it with that gloss crap did you"?  She proceeded to freak out.  :lol:  She said that she rarely, rarely sprays her paintings with the gloss but because she was sending it through the mail she felt it should be done.  She said that I described her painting almost exactly and the gloss was just too much.  Needless to say I just kept saying, "wow,.......wow..ok,......wow......" 

 :-D

 


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Selski on May 30, 2007, 17:50:08
Wow Nay, that's brilliant and was a pleasure to read - thank you for sharing.

It's the kind of validation I'm trying to achieve.

 :-)

Sarah


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nay on May 30, 2007, 18:48:04
Hey, thanks Sarah.  I have to admit though, I wasn't trying to achieved the validation part, but the beach part.  I still can't get over how happy and peaceful I felt while there... incredible.  :)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on June 06, 2007, 00:22:23
Ok, here's another one then, though it's not really AP as such.

As a teenager I used to hypnotize people, and one of my best subjects was my mother.   Somebody had given me a little "cuddly toy" which was a small white scottish terrier dog wearing a red tartan beret.  Sounds odd I know, but that was the cuddly toy - small white little doggie with a red beret on its head.    

Now, prior to hypnotizing my mother, I placed the cuddly toy on my bookshelves, turned on the desk light, and turned all the other lights off in the room.  Then I went downstairs, asked my mother if I could do the hypnosis thing, and she said Ok.  I always gave suggestions of well-being and calmness during a hypno session, and she felt a lot better for it so she actually benefited from the sessions.  She said "Ok" and (as always) protested "but it will never work".  Then I looked at her, counted to 10 and she was flat zonked out..

I asked her to "travel in her mind" to my bedroom.  "Are you there?" - "Yes" came the answer.  "Is the light on?" - "Yes" came the reply.  "Which light is on?" - "The desk light is on".  "Is the ceiling light on?" - "No".  Then I asked her to look at the bookshelves.  "Is there anything unusual about the bookshelves?" - "Yes" was the answer.  "What's unusual about the bookshelves?" - "There's a little white cat on them".  "Is there anything unusual about the little white cat?" - "Yes.... it's got a plate on its head".

That's about as far as I could go, because I'd exhausted the small number of special features I'd set up in the room!  But basically i think it rates as a 100% success.  Lights, white cuddly toy, beret (although my mother described this as a "plate").  I think that's close enough!

My mother has passed over now, bless her, but there were other validations I did with her, and she was an amazing psychic when hypnotized.  Whenever I hear about Randi's dumb 1 $million challenge, I think of my mother.  In theory we could have lifted the $million dollar prize, no doubt, at all.  But I know that under Randi's skeptical glare, the "magic" would have dissolved away...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Milkdrops on June 06, 2007, 11:21:18
Has anyone been able to tell you what the object on your desk is yet?


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: bjb1234 on June 10, 2007, 14:14:47
I dont know exactly what kind of validation this is, i know its not astral projection, but its some kind of psychic ability which had me shocked.

When i was like 14 or 15 (i am 18 now), i met a group of new friends in a WICCA chat room, one was in her mid 20s and there was a man in his like 40s.


The female asked me to help her test something she has been practising, dont know what it was called.

She told me to take a empty cup, and put it anywhere in the room i wanted.  (She didnt know what kind of room i was in, size, bedroom, living room etc... and didnt know anything about me or my PC)  She told me place it where i want, then focus all my attention onto the cup so much that i could almost see where it was when i closed my eyes.

About 2 minutes or so later she said "ITS BEHIND THE PRINTER ON THE FLOOR" and it was, i was finding it hard to focus on the cup and kept focusing on the printer, and thats exactly what she told me too.

This was a big shock for me.

Another wierd experience, was when the man, wanted me to astral project and he would come meet me, he was really experienced (and abit crazy).  I couldnt manage to do it, he said it would help if i opened my third eye chakra, but i  cudnt do that either, and then i felt some burning on my head, where my third eye is suppose to be, just a lil warm tickle, i then glanced at the screen and he said "do you feel that, i am trying to open it for you"  I confirmed i did feel something, but i still couldnt do it.

Anyway, my PC broke about a month later, and i forgot about all those things i was told about astral etc.... and have just gained interest again recently.

Can anyone shed some light on these experiences?


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Paola on June 14, 2007, 23:16:28
I wonder if this is validation.

I dream that i answer the phone, and its my grandmother, she speaks to me in Italian, saying- sorry to disturb you, but he is not going to make it!

I said, ok thanks.  I wake up and think maybe she is talking about my aging father.

I mention the dream to my father without suggesting it could be him.

Two days later, my father phones me and tells me that my cousin in Italy has overdosed and died.

My grandmother and this cousin used to spend winters together before she died.
She was very attached to him.

As for myself, i was born in australia, and didnt really ever meet my cousin

Why would she tell me?


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on June 16, 2007, 18:05:49
Hi Paola

This may or may not actually be your Grandmother contacting you.  It could just be a form of ESP in which you are aware of significant events happening in your family.  Maybe you just "sensed" the passing of your cousin in Italy, and your unconscious mind represented this to you as a dream of a phone call from your Italian grandmother.  On the other hand it could be a communication from your Grandmother. Maybe she tried to communicate with quite a few relatives and you are the only one she succeeded with.  In any event it's an interesting story....


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Stookie on July 23, 2007, 16:46:09
A while ago I posted this:

I have a silly story of what I thought would be validation:

2 nights ago I had and conscious-exit OBE and wandered around my house. I was so sure that I had was fully focused in the RTZ - I've been in my new house a few months now and everything was exactly as it was before my OBE attempt that night. It was all very solid, everything being in place. Then I noticed a crack in one of my new blinds. I inspected it and was sure this would be my validation. I made a note of which set of blinds and the area it was cracked.

So the next morning I get up and check, and the blinds are fine. I was positive it would be cracked. I checked all the blinds in the house, but nothing. Oh well.

and TVOS told me this:

Quote
That would have been cool to see that the blinds were indeed cracked. Maybe this was a future event that you saw? If I were you, keep a tab on the blinds, maybe if you can remember draw to paper what the crack looked like. When the time does come when the blinds do indeed crack, compare the two. Something to think about!

Well, a few days ago I was grilling, sippin a few brews, and a fly got in the house. I'm pretty good at snapping them with a dish cloth, so I follow it over the the window and SNAP - got the fly AND the edge of the blind, cracking it EXACTLY as I saw it before. As soon as it happened I remembered seeing it broken in my OBE.

Seeing as how I was the one with the premonition and the one who broke it, and I've never had anything like this happen before, I don't necessarily call it a validation. I may have unconsciously broke it (with unnatural extreme precision that matches the experience perfect) to make my prophesy come true.

But I can throw it into my x-files evidence cabinet for future reference.

Thanks to TVOS or I would have probably forgotten the OBE and never made a connection to a future event.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on July 23, 2007, 17:53:21
Nice one Stookie...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Bird on August 18, 2007, 02:11:55
Hi everybody,
This validation thread is very fascinating, it's nice to get all this confirmation that these things are not just imagined. I've got something to share with you too.

One night I got out astral and went exploring the garden around my grandma's house where I lived at the time, when I found a really beautiful rock right next to the house.
It was big, about the size of a plate, had a roughly triangular shape, the surface was even and polished and it had 3 round inclusions of a golden color in the form of radial rays.
This image left a strong impression on me.
Two days later in waking life I was on a kind of market where a friend had a stall.
As I was having a look around, I came to a stall where someone was selling all sorts of crystals, minerals and petrified stuff.
And guess what. There was that rock from my astral-dream for sale.

Here I tried to draw a picture of it (so far I haven't seen anything like it again):
The inclusions were a bit more golden and sparkling in the dream than in reality, though.

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y27/Tshaika/Dreamstone.jpg)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on August 18, 2007, 13:21:29
I hope you bought it!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Bird on August 19, 2007, 08:33:18
No, it cost more than 1000 $, and I couldn't afford it.
I tried to chat a bit with the guy who sold it, but he was quite terse,
like he didn't want to waste his breath on someone who won't buy anything
expensive... :|
Anyway, this dream happened 10 years ago, it just got stuck with me, because
back then the shock kind of turned my world upside down.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on August 19, 2007, 22:58:36
What a rip-off....!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on August 27, 2007, 13:00:34
Woke up in the middle of the night to vibrations... I found this weird bird walking around on the floor of my room wearing half of an egg shell on its head as a helmet... Its body was all gooey, it looked like it was made out of jello. It got upset and let out this amazing volume of feces all over my clothes and the floor... so I walk out of my room to get something to clean and I notice that my sister's sitting on the living room couch with her bed covers... So I show her the bird, she tells me it's a "cotton bird" and these things like to make their nests in people's houses...

Anyway, this morning, I wake up, and my sister's in the living room, sleeping on the couch, just like in the OBE... First time I've seen this happen since we moved in here two years ago... Maybe she made noise and I subconsciously guessed that she was there, but I was surprised to see someone asleep there when I came out of my room this morning!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Kazbadan on September 04, 2007, 21:36:37
Maybe i will read all of the validations carefully here. Then i will create groups: real and solid validations, not so good validations and very week ones.

You know, lots of the validations here are not good i think.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: greggkroodsma on September 09, 2007, 16:33:47
Good morning.  It is wonderful to have found a forum in which to express myself openly, which I do always, but I find other forums that I am a part of not very conducive to the idea of OBE. 

One thing I have become very interested in is the neural aspect of OBE and the calming effect that it has.  As far as a validation or confirmation of my ability to experience an OBE, I have not sought it.  I have, however, silently observed the actions of the people around me and used that as a personal confirmation.  I am not 'new' to this.  What is 'new' is the amount of interest I have in the OBE.  I can, at will, travel out-of-body and I have experienced what I would consider 'visions' of deceased persons; my brother, my mother, and step-mother.  And I do have very bright and lucid dreams.  And I use the dreams as a guide to the development of the mindset of my aquaintances.  They, also, are seeking validation and I become the channel in which they can use in their attempts. 

There is one recent confirmation that I have given to a friend of mine who is practicing Reiki and she is a practitioner/instructor in the field.  We have been discussing certain aspects of the Astral-Mental and we both share the belief in the use of crystals and vibrations.  There is a group of 5 to 8 people who meet regularly at a business that one runs trying to heal using natural means.  We are starting to use the technique of sound and fine-tuning the chakras of the body. 

The confirmation had to do with the type of dreams I am having.  We had been discussing what we could see during the OBE and I explained that I can see outlines and shadows only with no color during my OBEs.   There are dreams that I have had where I would be running and I would rise a few feet off the ground and keep running without my feet touching the ground; such a wonderful feeling and I can see clearly during my dreams.  The dream I had a couple of nights ago, I was running and rising a few feet and going along and suddenly I rose above the trees and was looking down seeing everything clearly.  And then I descended rather abruptly and it scared me a little, enough to start saying 'Slow down, slow down.' 

That to me is a personal validation of the techniques that we are trying.  I don't really rely on other people to validate something I have done as far as seeing me during an OBE.  I do look like a lot of people and I have had people come up to me and say they saw me when I wasn't there in the body, but I don't consider that confirmation. 

There is one more though.  And this involved police work and remote viewing and terrorism.  And I got confirmation, validation, and whatever else you want to call it.  So, this stuff is real!

Y'all have a great day!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: rico on November 08, 2007, 04:27:54
i saw a ufo one night in my astro


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: kiwibonga on November 16, 2007, 02:00:35
At some point in yesterday's dream, I was in a schoolyard/parking lot and there were several cars trying to leave, but there were too many kids there for them to exit... One guy in a small black car got angry and started banging into another car, going back and forth... Eventually he backed up into me, but I flew up a little and avoided it...

Tonight we were outside, and a couple of yards from me, a car lightly rear ended another one... Then there were three more hits.. I didn't see it, because it was behind me, but my sister told me the guy got angry and accelerated several more times to hit the guy who had stopped in front of him.. When I turned around to look, I saw the car... It was a small black car, just like the one in my dream... He turned and sped away from the scene after his little road rage episode...

COINCIDENCE!?


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on November 17, 2007, 12:54:25
Coincidence? Doubt it.

I've made the point several times that if the dream FOLLOWED the incident rather than preceded it any psychologist would assume that the dream was caused by the impression the incident made on your unconscious mind.  No doubt.  Just because the sequence of events is reversed, ie dream preceded incident, the principle of cause and effect is not invalidated, ie the dream was still caused by the incident, even if it preceded it....?!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Awakened_Mind on November 17, 2007, 19:34:50
Sounds like clairvoyance to me, simply because of the symbolic nature. In de je vu's, the scene remains the same.

You've got to love having an ability you haven't yet learn to control. :lol:

-AM


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: silver-blaze on November 17, 2007, 20:02:27
Hi All,

I used to have many astral experiences in the past, but have had to put them on the"back burner" for some years now.

One in particular experience that I could call validation of an astral experience was when I was attending high school.  I had left my body and found my conscious awareness at the top of some trees.  It was night time and I saw a fire burning below.  I could see a definite red glow and smoke was billowing up through the air. Below I saw firemen scurrying about working on putting out the fire.

The next day I relayed this experience to my close friend from high school.  He was astonished at what I told him and he then told me that there had been a fire at a school mates trailer that night.  He said that himself and other volunteer firefighters were there that night, and the scene was very similar to what I had relayed to him.


One other time was when I wanted to visit this same friend at night during an astral travel.  I remember hovering over his bed, but him just seeming to sleep, not responding.  The next day I told him what I did.  He said "that was you!!!  Don't do that again, you scared the cr*p out of me, I thought you were a ghost!!!" 

He he, I didn't bother him or anyone after that.

SB


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: PeacefulWarrior on November 23, 2007, 05:53:24
Dream #1- I saw myself getting free tokens from an arcade machine.  The next day my parents announced that we were going to be attending my sister's soccer banquet.  When we went I discovered the arcade.  Before long a coin/token got stuck and the guy opened up the machine and handed me a bunch of free tokens.

Dream #2- I was living in Italy and I had a dream of my family at Medieval Times (I had never been there and neither had my family).  A few weeks later I received a letter from my mom in which she noted they had gone to M.T. for dinner.

Dream #3- Early in the am I had the most frightening, realistic series of dreams in which Middle Eastern terrorists broke into my house, destroying things, yelling about jihad, etc.  That was Sept. 11th.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: j360 on December 08, 2007, 15:16:58
Iíve had 150+ projections over about 4 years and there hasnít been anything conclusive but Iíve had some experiences that were suggestive that they were validations.  However, I never really tried to validate AP or really do anything meaningful, I usually just experiment with my senses and doing things like floating around and flying and trying different things to enhance lucidity and longevity of the projection.  Also most of my projections donít seem to be in the RTZ.   

1.    I don't remember if this happened during SP or after projecting when in 3d blackness.  I started to hear what sounded like radio broadcasts which happens to me sometimes.  One of the radio broadcasts was a weather report and it said something about it being cloudy and raining and it gave the temperature.  It doesnít rain where I live too often and the report that I heard was right because it was cloudy and did rain.  I went on weather.com to verify the temperature that I heard and it was correct even though at the time that I heard this it sounded off so I could have picked up on some sort of ESP while in 3d blackness.   

2.   I saw my dog trying to jump up on a chair of the kitchen table which Iíve never seen him do before.  I went upstairs right after the experience ended and he had actually gotten up on the same chair and was trying to get at a bowl and this is the only time that he had ever done something like that with the kitchen table chairs.

3.   I was experimenting with remote viewing and I decided to try to get impressions from a random image generator for RV while OOB.  I forget where I was initially during the experience but when I focused on trying to get impressions from the image that I was RVíing I found myself surrounded by imagery standing inside what appeared to be a church looking at a stain glass window.  After I woke up and generated the image that was the target it was a picture of a church from the outside.   

These ones arenít really related to AP and there is probably more that Iím not remembering. 

4.  I was RVíing a random image and I got impressions that sand and water were involved and it turned out to be a surfer. 

5.  I was RVíing another random image and I got impressions that the picture involved some kind of foreign or ancient language, some kind of stone object, a bright blue sky, and while attempting I got a fairly clear image in my mind of a coliseum like building with a large stone pillar to the right of it.  It turns out that the image was a large stone pillar with some kind of foreign writing on it and a bright blue sky in the background.

6.  While playing a game I had a playlist of over 14,000 songs in Winamp and it was set to choose tracks randomly so I had no way of predicting what the next track would be.  Suddenly a song popped into my head that I hadnít heard in over a year and I had a strong feeling that it would be next and it was.  The chances of that happening were about 1 in 14,000. 


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on December 08, 2007, 23:37:20
Hi j360 and welcome.  I get the radio broadcast thing too.  It happens in the morning during a false awakening.  I hear the sound of a radio station even though the radio is off.  I often recognise the FA state and discount the radio broadcast as a curious hallucination.  It feels a bit spooky though...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: j360 on December 09, 2007, 13:23:03
Hi catmeow.  I get the radio thing fairly often it seems that it can happen to me in either SP, 3D blackness, or during a false awakening.  A lot of the times Iíll start to hear it when Iím barley conscious and my mind wakes up more as I pay more attention to it.  When I hear music it usually sounds very coherent and sometimes itís songs that I recognize and when it ends Iíll sometimes hear a DJ start talking which is usually a little startling.  In the experience that I mentioned I was very shocked when what I heard for the weather broadcast turned out to be exactly right.     


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on December 10, 2007, 01:44:51
Yeh, I hear people walking around the house too - which is well spooky - especially since I then have to decide whether I'm being burgled and actually hearing someone physically walking around.  These sounds are extremely realistic.  It's a difficult call when this happens!  Radio is easy by comparison!  I've heard the radio thing reported before, it's curious that many people should share this experience.  If this is just a hallucination why the archetype?  If it's not a hallucination what does it mean?  Thanks for the validation btw, I find all validations interesting...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: j360 on December 23, 2007, 16:35:39
I just wanted to add that if anyone is interested in validations from authors I've read a lot of AP books and Bruce Moen seems to have the most impressive accounts of validating the non-physical. 


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Kodemaster on January 24, 2008, 02:51:38
Two validations from the past:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_obe_discussions/projection_that_may_be_a_profound_look_into_my_future-t17245.0.html
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/precog_dream_that_came_in_handy_yesterday-t18598.0.html

Best,

Jeni


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on January 24, 2008, 19:18:15
Hey Jeni, nice validations.  I hope things turned up for you since those days in 2005...!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Fableflame on January 27, 2009, 00:22:36
A friend of mine seems to be a natural AP'er.
I told her to project and then think of me to project to me.
She said she could see that i was making motions like i was clicking the mouse on a computer, but I was the only thing in the room that she could see.
She also said that it looked like I was touching my face with my left hand.
At the time of the projection, I was on the computer, using the mouse with my right hand, and biting the nails on my left hand.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Bellend_1010 on May 06, 2009, 15:23:14
Old original post I know but was thinking if anyone thinking of doing this experiment again at all or is no one willing?


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: forynav on June 06, 2009, 09:31:12
Wow. I just read through all the 11 pages. Quite entertaining!  :-D


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: UmmaGumma on July 15, 2009, 14:07:06
I've had several validations.  But the most validating was the one in which my ex showed up in my OBE.  He has these experiences also, only his are more progressed.  He told me he was going to come and join me sometime.  And he did!  A few days after he appeared in my OBE, my ex came over to my house and asked me if I had seen him.  I told him, "I knew that shadowy figure on the stairs was you!"  I had recognized his silhouette----especially that of his hair!  My ex even told me that at one time when I flew past him that my and his heads had collided.  This had happened when I decided to fly through him instead of past him the second time around.  I flew through him from his neck up.  This is when he and I collided heads!

Another time, I traveled into my son's room and briefly watched as he sat at the computer and watched YouTube videos.  Later, I asked him if he had been watching wrestling videos on YouTube.  He said he had been watching UFC videos on YouTube.  In my book, the same thing!  He must have thought I meant WWE and was specific that it was in fact UFC.  I asked him if it had been wrestling cause I just knew it had been two guys squaring off in a ring.

Another time my ex came over, and as he and I stood outside talking, he nodded toward the direction underneath my upstairs bedroom window and asked me if, a few days earlier, I had traveled out my bedroom window just underneath the spot where he had motioned his head.  Again, I was excited but not shocked to learn that he had seen me.  I told him I had done that very thing because I wanted to scare the neighbor's dog that was always barking and annoying me.



Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on July 15, 2009, 14:20:53
Thanks UmmaGumma - very good validations and very interesting - I hope you scared the wits out of that pesky dog!!!!  It probably runs a mile now when it sees you! :-)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: traynor on September 26, 2009, 03:42:43
The best validation I have ever had was the day after a very intense episode of astral sex with a young woman I knew. When I saw her the following day, I started the conversation with, "You know, I had the strangest experience yesterday. I could have sworn you were with me." At that point she began laughing, and described in detail when the event had happened, and what--exactly, and in detail--had happened.

Before that, I had not mentioned the event to anyone else, so there was no possibility of collusion. The details clearly established--to both of us--that for some period of time the previous day, we had been involved in astral sex for an extended period of time.

One thing that may seem surprising. We were both awake at the time. Specifically, we were both physically awake, geographically separated, and at least marginally functional in the "everyday world" while we were also together having astral sex.

This event enabled me to gather a number of similar validations, when I realized that the "walking, talking" part of us is only a part, and that "other parts" of us are able to interact with others in the OOBE state. That is, OOBE is more a case of "getting out of one's own way" rather than learning to do something new. It may be that the key is simply accepting the complexity of our own existence, rather than thinking "I couldn't have been there, because I was reading a book/watching television/walking in the park here at that time. Perhaps the world is not as comfortably linear and sequential as we would like to believe.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on September 27, 2009, 03:24:32
Hmmm think you're making quite a few board members jealous here!  Regarding the staying awake whilst projecting thing, I had a similar experience recently.  My bedside alarm consists of a radio which turns on at 7:30am and stays on for an hour. The station is LBC - a "talk radio" station. So I normally wake up slowly to the news and other discussions. So recently I was woken by the alarm, but was still in hypnagogia. I thought it would be interesting to see if I could project with all this noise going on. In fact I visualised my back garden and phased into it quite easily. So there I was flying around the back garden and sitting on the roof etc whilst listening to Nick Ferrari on LBC wittering on! I could hear the radio quite clearly and at the same time was totally in the back garden flying around. Have to say this required some concentration, so after a while the radio "won" and I woke up in bed.  But it was interesting while it lasted.  Proved that I can project whilst there are noises and disturbances going on in my bedroom...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Farther on March 23, 2010, 21:57:41
Has anybody on here tried to do some sort of "meet up" on the astral plane? Say we all agree on a set time, 6pm eastern for example, and try to meet and then write about our experiences. If it would help, maybe we could also envision a 'place' to meet as well? Has anybody on this site tried that yet? I'd love to participate.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: personalreality on September 28, 2010, 00:41:45
I've never really had any projection related validation experiences.  I tried the playing card thing that RB recommends (i used a tarot card) but when I went to look at it nothing was there.  I had some experiences where I saw my fiance and cats and stuff, but the situation wasn't ever really the same, though one time i saw my fiance studying and when i woke up she was studying.  I don't necessarily think that i saw what was really happening, but a mental metaphor being projected by her energy of what her consciousness was like.  I also think that what I was really doing was telepathically connecting to her energy and reading it in the form of a visual representation.

However, I have had other metaphysical validations that could also imply the validity of projection related issues.  For example, this summer, one of my crystal skulls prescribed a ritual to do when i went to the beach the following week.  The crazy part was that my skull described the location where I was supposed to do the ritual and when I got there is was identical, and I had never been to that part of the beach before.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: CFTraveler on September 28, 2010, 14:21:47
I'm going to be vague, but there you have my latest:
About two weeks ago my mom (who passed away last February) said a few words to me.  Last week I got some news that confirmed what she said.  I now realize she was warning me.
The details are personal, but that's the gist of it.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on September 29, 2010, 00:35:21
Thanks CFTraveller. I'm sorry to hear of your loss, but I do hope the message you received offered some comfort.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: jeffd on January 28, 2012, 18:01:41
I've had a number of validations,but I'll post one that had a really deep impact on me.It's on page 39 "Jeff,September 17,2008"  I forgot to mention in the submission that the man's hair was really white in waking reality too,but he used to dye it.

http://dreaminglucid.com/issues/LDE51.pdf


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: proyect_outzone on January 29, 2012, 01:34:28
I had several validations in my live.

Ill begin with some dreams of the future:

1. The green rock. Im a mineral collector and searched for a specific green mineral for several years. I knew this mineral from books, where it was pictured and described in yellow or green (malachite green). But i had a dream of a sample of a neongreen sample (like the green /yellow textmarker). And this sample was in lucite. I wondered about and thought that this dream was funny. Who would be such an idiot to enclose such a mineral in lucite. And i have never seen this mineral color in nature before. But weeks later was again time to go to berin to the big flea markets like every month. Just to look for things which wherent available in my small town. I went to the bank to take money from the cash machine. I took usually 70 Mark with me, but this time i remembered on the dream and took nearly all of my money with. On the flea marked was a new mineral trader with soveniers and geologig memorabilias, like labeled coal pieces and such stuffs. But in  the last row was a block of lucite glowing in the sun. I examined it and where surprised. A neongreen mineral glowed in front of my eyes in the lucite. There was a label under the sample, which removed all my doubts. It was the long sought mineral. I asked for the prize. The dealer sayd 100 Mark and i payd it without waiting any more second. Later i learned, that the color, which i call neongreen, is from others just called yellow. And the mineral looks on old photos also yellow and not neongreen. So i was never able to know, that this or any mineral could have the neongreen color. This mineral is even today one of my most important mineral samples.

2. A piece of ocean. I had an strange dream. I found a piece of the ocean. It was hard and glassy. In it wheere some corals, shells and a crab. On the black seebed where some kind of magic or mystic looking waves. But these waves dissappeared and it looked usual black. Some time later i found a piece lucite. Hardly damaged and scratched, with a crab, shells and corals. But no waves. But i looked unfocused through the scratched surface. some glittering particels where reflecting and there reflections are warped by the scratches to a wave like pattern. And if i looked focused, the waves dissappeared.   

I had some more Dreams like these. But they will follow later. Now its time for my OBEs.

1. OBE of the future. I should mention first, that my parents didnt know anything about my OBEs and activity in such Forums at this time. I had tryed since a year hardly to get my first OBE. I was active in a forum since some months and the users told me what to do. But nothing helped. But on this day was it different. I had my first OBE. It was a chain of several short OBEs, from which one was really strange. I woke up in this OBE and my father was looking at me. He asked me "are you ill? You got there something on your head.". I was frightened dure his sudden appearing and woke up. I looked around, no father, no light. I continued the chain of OBEs and was very happy. Next day i told about in the forum and placed it also onto my homepage. Then some weeks later at a common evening. I was trying again to archive an OBE. I was in beyond sleep paralysis and my thoughts where shut off. Then i was roused by my father. He asked me "are you ill? You got there something on your head.". It was like in the OBE.

2. OBEs are really out of the body: This OBE was a false awakening.

I waked up and wanted to go to toilet. I went through the opened door of my bedroom and became then a nausea/dizziness and fell down. After that i realized, that i was in an OBE. Then i went in the next room and i saw a fog "going" along. I focused on it, and it sharpens. A astral beeing. I was scared. It was a black men, who talked then with me. He said, he died in an barbecue accident. He had even still an sausage on his hat. Was some kind of funny.

After a few weeks i had  some OBEs, where i penetrated matter. I remembered the nausea/dizzy feeling and this OBE. The nausea and dizziness which i became in this times was the same.

Then i realized: The nausea/dizziness of the door passing OBE was caused, because i passed a closed physical door (I got always my door closed while i sleep) while only the astral image of the door was opened. And this, while i believed to be awake and on the way to toilet and so not able to know that i pass matter while beeing out of body.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: spacewrangler on February 23, 2012, 00:22:55
Hi all, first-time poster (I think...unless I joined this forum under a different name years ago. I don't quite remember). Excuse the dumb username, I had to choose...something. Anyway, I saw this thread and it compelled me to reply with a very powerful validation experience I had in 2003. It's been on my mind lately as I hadn't induced an OBE in some years (having felt 'blocked' by something like a thick energetic blanket any time I tried) but did so very easily a few days ago, and it's something I seem to be getting back into.

Quick background: I'm a 30-year-old man from Northern Ireland. I started having sleep paralysis experiences at 16 or so, explored them, discovered that they were a gateway to out-of-body experiences. It was probably about a year of regular practise between my first sleep paralysis experiences to a full (and wildly overexcited) OBE. After that they came easier, and I had hundreds of outings between the ages of 17 and 22 or so. Just extraordinary experiences. I approached things from a sceptical point of view--I read widely and kept an open mind, but only my own experiences could be trusted. I kept careful records (which is handy now, getting on ten years later!) and I'll transcribe the last, most powerful of them all. 

It was the evening of the 19th of December 2003. I was at home for Christmas, out in my room (in the garage...really quiet and perfect for meditation/OBE practise). Left the body after only about five minutes, rolling out and standing up. Great clarity. Walked through the wall (concrete/glass sensations) and out into the yard.

I realised immediately that I wasn't alone. On my travels I'd interacted with a few individuals (including a small asian man waiting at the end of my driveway on my very first outing, who told me to relax and slow down!) but this guy seemed different--he was waiting for me, this was no chance encounter. He was a thin man, dark hair, perched on the fence wearing a crimson satin (or at least shiny) suit. "Follow me," he signalled, and flew directly up.

I was never a great flier, but I could keep pace with him ok. We went about a mile up, I would guess. I can still see it now--the vivid silhouette of the river that runs through my city, surrounded on both sides by orange streetlights. "Follow me," he signalled again, but this time he moved in a new direction--one I'd never moved through before. By some instinct, or maybe just because I was near this guy, I was able to move through time.

I didn't know it was 'time' at first. It felt like I was moving through rubber walls of increasing density, each taking greater and greater effort to push through. I was always just behind the guy in the suit. It quickly became impossible to go any further--we fell back into 'normal space' and we were in the same spot, more or less.

There was text hanging in the air in front of me. Text! White block capitals that read, "TUESDAY 23RD DECEMBER. I'd never seen anything quite like that.

He grinned at me. "Follow me," he said, reaching out his hand. I gripped it and we insta-travelled to a new location (another first--I was never very good at that either, but this was a quick and precise cut from one location to another.

We were in the air about fifty feet above a ruined street. It was night, lit by the headlights of fire engines and rescue vehicles. The street was blocked, strewn with rubble. Buildings had collapsed and spilled over the street. It was a dry, mountainous area. Low scrubby bushes. I spent about thirty seconds in the air, just drifting, and then the guy turned and disappeared. I remember asking him what I was seeing--asking for a location, asking who he was and why exactly he had brought me to this place--but he wasn't the talkative sort.

After flying towards the horizon I quickly just skipped back to my body. I swung out of bed, ran to the computer and wrote everything down. "A prophecy!" I called it, as a joke. I started to doubt it. "Must have slipped into a dream state halfway through," I wrote. "The 23rd isn't a Tuesday". But then I checked the calendar...and it was.

The experience had been so intense I emailed a couple of friends who knew about my adventures as a psychonaut. "So look out for an earthquake on the 23rd," I said--just to have some proof, if it did 'come true'. I recorded everything I'd seen. I honestly didn't believe it would pan out; it seemed ridiculous. It IS ridiculous!

All the same, four days later, I was watching the BBC news at 7am, and they led with news of an earthquake in California. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_San_Simeon_earthquake (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_San_Simeon_earthquake) If I had seen it on the 23rd, I'd seen it at night, the rescue effort after the event. There it was--the same destruction, the same date. I was blown away. Very nearly dropped my cornflakes!

The elation quickly turned to pure existential terror as all of my fun 'flying about' was suddenly REAL. I was no longer able to write it off as bouncing around in some hyper-simulation of my own creation (something I found amazing enough by itself...) It was not only real, it was important. Facts could be retrieved. Individuals met. Wild stuff. And because of all that, I think, I found I could no longer do it (until now.)

That was my verification, anyway. Don't believe me. If you're reading this, maybe you're seeking verification before you have ever had an 'outing' of your own...if you're in that situation, forget about 'real' and 'unreal'...the experience is real, and amazing, and waiting for you to grasp it. Verification might come later. If you've already done some of these things--especially visual text-based information or 'time travel'...I'd love to hear about it. I guess I'll have a look around the forum!







Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 25, 2012, 02:10:12
Very interesting post spacewrangler. Yes there is always that doubt that we are just flying around in some hyper-simulation, and a personal validation is something only YOU can know is true and everyone else has to take on trust.  But having a validation also changes your outlook: So it is REAL! 

Also I have often thought about the hyper-simulation thing. Now I have stood in my "hyper-simulation" and examined the scenery around me in microscopic detail. I have been in gardens, by streams, in cities, in houses, in locations which did not correspond to anything earthly etc etc, and I have been absolutely gob-smacked by the beauty, quality and detail of what I was seeing. I have stood in bustling city streets and observed the bricks and mortar in minute detail, the shiny shop windows and the wares on display, the appearance of people walking by, their clothes, hair and faces, the cars and buses gliding by, signs and adverts and so on and so on. I have walked through markets which don't exist on earth, with innumerable wonderful items on display.  Every corner I turned would present new delights to view.

If I were to sit at an easel with paints and canvas, even after a YEAR of imagination, I couldn't create even a tiny fraction of the detail I see every second whilst LD/APing.  If this is all created by my subconscious mind, then the CREATIVE power of that subconscious mind is INFINITE compared with my conscious creative mind. Either that or it's real.  For those reading, who have yet to experience an OBE, LD or AP, the visual feast is awesome.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: spacewrangler on February 25, 2012, 12:29:35
Agreed, catmeow. I'm an artist, and I went into this as an attempt to expand my creative abilities after having had just the tiniest taste of what was out there...or in there. It seemed like an awful shame to have a universe of potent creativity bubbling just beneath the surface of my waking mind without dipping a toe into it now and then! On my travels I tried not to judge what I was seeing...if it was generated by the wet sponge in my head, then fantastic! If not, then...fantastic! Either way it's valid and hugely important. Either 99% of the population live their lives without knowing a fraction of the potential inside them, or 99% of the population live in total ignorance of the cosmic setup surrounding them!

On the way though, these little validations kept popping up, pointing to some common reality behind everything. For years I'd had heavy 'false awakening' experiences, where naturally none of the light switches worked. If I'm wandering around an environment of my own creation, why would the lights not work as expected? If I looked carefully I could see a faint red glow in the bulb filaments, but that was all. So I just happened to stumble across an article written by another person who experienced exactly the same thing. And another, and another. Either we all had the same neural circuits in our heads, and those circuits applied the same rules to something invented only about a hundred years earlier...or we were all stumbling about the same environments.

Then the time travel experience happened, seeming so carefully constructed to show me something verifiable (right down to the very specific date), and now my position is 'well...there's something going on there!'


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 25, 2012, 18:22:05
Hi spacewrangler, well expressed and also now you`re spooking me! I too have had the exact same light switch problem. In LDs (or APs or whatever they are) I am unable to operate light switches. I can flick the switch, but nothing happens.  At best I get a dim glow from the filament, just as you described. This started happening to me when I was very young, maybe 9 or 10 years old and before I started having LDs. Occasionally when I was a kid I would have `strange` dreams in which I was walking around my house. The atmosphere was eerie and I had difficulty moving, like wading through a thick fog. When I tried to turn the hall light on it would glow dimly. In these `fog dreams` I could never get a light to turn on. A few years later I discovered I had the identical problem with LDs. I have read accounts from others who have had the same light switch problems. So either there is more reality to these things than just subconscious ramblings, or else we are all wired that way, as you say.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: spacewrangler on February 25, 2012, 19:46:20
The 'thick fog' you describe is spot-on as well. Moving around is like dragging yourself through treacle (sugar syrup...molasses...depending on where you're from.) The eerie feel is often there as well. I've heard it described as 'etheric' projection--a different grade of subtle body between the physical and astral. (I can't say if that's a 'real' concept but the experiences are all very similar, so as a shorthand it works for me.) I have a rough 'working theory' of that state--imagine a close duplicate of the real world where time slowed to a crawl but you could still move around--the lights would dim (lazy electrons, slow photons!) and the air would feel thick as you pushed through it. I've tried turning on the TV--it just gave out a low hum.

Have you ever tried looking in a mirror in that state? I've seen some pretty horrific/twisted versions of myself.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 26, 2012, 18:47:16
Yes, I've heard of the etheric projection idea too. It's a little out of fashion these days but what I experienced as a 9 year old many years ago is no respecter of fashion! Yes it was like walking through treacle EXACTLY as you described and everything seemed 'grey'. So there may be something in the etheric projection idea.  My LD/AP experiences which started when I was about 15 are much more sunny and upbeat, but I still can't turn a light on!

With regards to looking in a mirror I have done it many times. I usually see a slightly younger version of myself (idealised self image?) although I have occasionally seen a person who bore no similarity to me at all which comes as a shock when it happens. On one occasion I saw a very nice looking female (I'm male). I have occasionally seen no person (I didn't cast a reflection).  So I guess I usually see an idealised self image or else whatever I happen to be thinking of!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Gummage on February 28, 2012, 13:44:38
Just wanted to ask: does science actually aknowledge that validations from OBE's do actually occur? all the tests I read about with people attempting validations under labratory conditions seem to just fail but do validations really ever happen? its hard for me to believe that all the claims of OBE validations are false or fabricated. 

I am actually trying to find things on mainstream scientists talking about the whole thing but not found anything.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: CFTraveler on February 28, 2012, 15:09:23
Just wanted to ask: does science actually aknowledge that validations from OBE's do actually occur? all the tests I read about with people attempting validations under labratory conditions seem to just fail but do validations really ever happen? its hard for me to believe that all the claims of OBE validations are false or fabricated. 

I am actually trying to find things on mainstream scientists talking about the whole thing but not found anything.
Validations are not proof- if you read some of ours you will see that they are isolated incidents that show us we received information that was not available to us by any other way.  So logic dictates that it must have been acquired in the way we experienced it.
Scientific proof is a whole different animal- it requires falsifiability- that is, to follow a protocol that works 100% of the time under controlled circumstances- and if there is one fail it means it is not proven.  I can't imagine how AP or even RV can be held to such standards- therefore it cannot be scientifically proven.
And of course, since science does not acknowledge personal experience as proof, the theme is moot, IMO.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on February 28, 2012, 16:17:10
Just wanted to ask: does science actually aknowledge that validations from OBE's do actually occur? all the tests I read about with people attempting validations under labratory conditions seem to just fail but do validations really ever happen?
There are no scientifically controlled experiments in which OBE validation has occurred to my knowledge. There have been studies conducted with Bob Monroe and Ingo Swann which were scientifically inconclusive. Swann was also investigated by the SRI in a series of remote viewing experiments which produced statistically very positive results. Pat Price was also tested at the SRI, by Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ, and produced better results. However, the nature of ESP makes it difficult to repeat these experiments over and over again with the high levels of success required by science.

However, the best validations occur during NDE. These are almost always highly veridical, on those occasions where the NDEr describes events which can actually be verified. NDEs pose problems for mainstream science, since they appear to `prove` that powerful veridical lucid conscious experiences can occur whilst the physical brain is free of blood flow and electrical activity.

The most famous case is Pam Reynolds (youtube it). Pam Reynolds was on the operating table, fully instrumented, when the blood flow to her brain was shut off, the temperature was lowered and electrical activity in the cortex and brain stem stopped. When she was brought round she described people, procedures and instruments which were present/occurred/used, during the period when she had a completely non functioning brain, as confirmed by the instrumentation. This case can not be explained away as a hallucination occurring whilst she was being revived, since the information she provided was only available at a time when her brain, according to the instrumentation, was dead.

Most reasonable scientific commentators, admit that this case is inexplicable using mainstream scientific concepts. An actual change in scientific theories regarding the interaction of mind and brain is required. Pam Reynolds isn't the only case. There are more and more.  Hardened skeptics try their best to explain these away, but the truth is their explanations do not stack up. I am not saying that I am convinced that the mind can operate without a physical brain, but there are NO current scientific models which explain Pam Reynold's case.

So if it's strong validations you want, and veridical descriptions of events as seen from an OBE perspective, look into NDEs. There are thousands of cases!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Gummage on March 03, 2012, 20:29:49
Just wanted to know also......has there been any fairly recent tests trying to get validations? seems no one does it.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Bedeekin on March 03, 2012, 22:32:37
This is the only recorded account of a scientifically controlled OOBE experiment conducted by Charles Tart.

http://www.psywww.com/asc/obe/missz.html

Some of you may be familiar with this.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: todd421757 on March 10, 2012, 21:15:13
Around 3:30 am on 3/4/12, my girlfriend was awakened after feeling my body go into a state of vibrations. She felt my heart beat racing also. Then she said the vibrations stopped, and she heard me stop breathing without a noticeable heartbeat. She said a few seconds later she saw a white image of me at my bedroom doorway. The she heard me making a knocking sound on the dresser in the bedroom. She then got scared and pulled the covers over her face. She doesn't know anything about out of body experiences or vibrations. She has never had an OBE either.

All I can remember is attempting an OBE technique that utilizes the high pitch sound in your head. I thought I fell asleep. But I must had an unconscious OBE.

Has anyone here ever had anyone see them in an OBE?


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: rezaf on March 31, 2012, 09:21:09
Yes once both my mom and my sister saw my astral body while they where watching TV in the living room. Also one time I was spying on a girl I had crush on at college but she suddenly turned back as if she could feel my presence. However I never confirmed this with her  :roll: .


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Bedeekin on April 01, 2012, 21:14:12
Around 3:30 am on 3/4/12, my girlfriend was awakened after feeling my body go into a state of vibrations. She felt my heart beat racing also. Then she said the vibrations stopped, and she heard me stop breathing without a noticeable heartbeat. She said a few seconds later she saw a white image of me at my bedroom doorway. The she heard me making a knocking sound on the dresser in the bedroom. She then got scared and pulled the covers over her face. She doesn't know anything about out of body experiences or vibrations. She has never had an OBE either.

All I can remember is attempting an OBE technique that utilizes the high pitch sound in your head. I thought I fell asleep. But I must had an unconscious OBE.

Has anyone here ever had anyone see them in an OBE?

Yes.

12/07/93
3:15AM
I began with strong vibrations and came out. I decided to visit Kathryn at home. I floated out through the side of the house and found I was instantly in front of her school which is a mile and a bit from my house, in between hers. I was half in the ground up to my knees in the gallops and noticed the birds and the dark blue sky of morning approaching.
I watched Acklam Grange school for a couple of minutes and then wondered why I was looking at it. Suddenly I made a swift movement and found I was in Kath?s bedroom looking down at her. I was floating sideways. The bed covers were off her and one of her breasts was showing because her pyjama top was unbuttoned.
I laughed to myself and heard myself saying ?button that up?.
I instantly rushed back to my body and came out of the OOBE.
Duration 15 minutes.
 

I met with her the next day... at some point she asked me if I had an OOBE last night. She described that she was half awake and was suddenly drawn to a white see through image of me lying on my side. My voice repeatedly and strangely enough loudly and aggressively saying "BUTTON THAT UP!!! BUTTON IT UP!!!"...



Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: todd421757 on April 01, 2012, 22:47:51
Bedeekin,

Thanks for sharing that experience. That was definitely a great objective experience.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on April 02, 2012, 00:11:14
Nice one Bedeekin. Your experience, that of todd, plus others I have read seem to indicate that making your presence felt, is much easier than doing the 'card trick'. Perhaps this is one avenue of validation we could all try. So basically, we need to choose a close friend, visit them in the early morning, make our presence felt, and later ask them about it!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Kirkland on April 08, 2012, 12:14:27
Not really an AP as I am still attempting to have my first one but a dream which was at the very least a coincidence. Basically I had a dream before I woke up about BSM (British School of Motoring) which is very unusual because it's not something that pops into my mind a lot considering I've had a license for about 5 years. Anyways about 30 minutes after I woke up my sister calls asking my dad if he could book her some lessons with BSM.

Like I said it's a weird coincidence the fact that I had that dream on that specific day, on that specific subject and just before she phones.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on April 08, 2012, 15:22:27
kirkland, it is more than coincidence. If you had the dream AFTER your sister called, there isn't a psychologist alive who wouldn't see the cause and effect. Switching the order of cause and effect doesn't actually remove the causal connection. This is the way we should analyse precognitive dreams. If by reversing the order of dream and event, we can clearly see the cause and effect, then it should be considered a legitimate serious candidate for precognition.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: NOFRNDS on April 19, 2012, 02:55:03
Hey all,

I have lurked this forum for some time now but havnt really posted,
I don't know if my experiance would be considered a validation or just mere coinciedence as I havnt completly experienced AP or OBE just the rare LD

Back in April 16 2009 my beautiful daughter Rylie was born sleeping.

It was only 2 or 3 months later my wife fell pregnant again, I was convinced it was another girl, till I had a dream I was standing at the open door of our car and noticed that there were two child seats on the back seat and Rylie was there, and she was showing me my unborn son sitting in the seat on the left which left me shocked as I guessed we were having a girl

I also remember noting that there was another baby girl significantly younger in the seat on the right which at the time had me confused.

A few months later my wife had a scan and it turned out to be very obviously a boy

He is now 2 years old and we now have a 7 month old girl, so I believe Rylie was showing me that there was two more to come and she will be watching over them

 


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: rezaf on July 06, 2012, 04:02:12
I finally did a direct validation!!!!
I didn't use playing cards but used random numbers I had written on pieces of paper. Since projection was difficult I cheated and just asked my guide and she showed me the number  :-D

Now I need to repeat it and see if it will work again.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on July 10, 2012, 11:29:32
Let us know if/when you repeat it!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Volgerle on July 10, 2012, 14:01:01
I finally did a direct validation!!!!
I didn't use playing cards but used random numbers I had written on pieces of paper. Since projection was difficult I cheated and just asked my guide and she showed me the number  :-D

Now I need to repeat it and see if it will work again.

Congrats, great! I had similar ideas (meaning both, numbers and "just" asking a guide) but not yet performed them.

With information from a guide, however, I had a near-validation lately. Once a guide flew with me hand in hand over the city and I asked to visit a friend. She then asked me which location and named a city which I did not know and it confused me. Later, this city's name turned out to be sounding at least very similar (when fast-spoken almost equal) to my buddie's place of dwelling at exactly the time it happened. Before, to this day, I did not know that he sometimes worked in this city for a customer then and only found out later about this on questioning him.

So it might have been a 'mis-hearing' indeed as I came up with a city that I knew when I 'heard' what she said. This is normal somehow in the astral when we perceive sth and we then come up with the nearest find in our 'internal' database to match it with. So the guide might indeed have said the right thing unknown to me at the time.

(My other validations so far are rather of a telepathic nature, plus an almost hit / near miss in card validation.)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: todd421757 on July 17, 2012, 00:17:22


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On 07/13/12 at 12:30 am, my girlfriend had another experience with me being out of body. I felt myself slip out of body, and I consciously hovered a couple of feet above my body. I did this for two minutes while holding this position. I then entered back into my body and my physical body jolted.

While out of my body, I saw my girlfriend next to me with an expression of awe.

When I re-entered my body, she asked me if I was out of body. I said yes. She said she knew because she felt a dense energy on top of her legs that remained there for two minutes. And she saw my physical body jolt shortly after.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: todd421757 on July 23, 2012, 20:59:30
Thanks David Warner for your suggestions. I have been having more validations as I have been keeping stats like you suggested. Its adds a system and goals to follow.

For example, my girlfriend set up a gemstone attached to a necklace on the mirror in her bedroom a certain way without letting me know beforehand. I had an obe in front of the mirror recently. I saw it hanging on the mirror. I willed my energy and somehow was able to swing it the other way which caused it to be partially tucked in behind the mirror.

I didn't tell her that I did it. She noticed the following morning it was moved in a different position.

I inspected it, and there was no way it could of moved that way by accident.

All my validations have always been within the same room as I am sleeping in. I believe short distance obe's are the key to achieving more validations and less reality fluctuations.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on July 24, 2012, 23:01:04
Thanks todd  :-)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Indigo Wolf on July 25, 2012, 14:49:57
I posted a thread about one of my strange experiences, when I first joined the forum. Anyway, here is what happened:

About 18 months ago I woke up at around 3am. I had just started learning about lucid dreaming etc, but did not read much into astral projection. I lay there and tried to induce a state of relaxation via Binaural Beats. Its at this point I must have fallen asleep, but the vividness of this "dream" has stayed with me since.

I was walking down a stone pathway at night, with a river running to the left hand side of me. As I continued to walk down this path I came to a large metal gate. To the right hand side of the gate stood a knight in full armour, sitting on a horse. The emotion was like nothing I have experienced before, it was like a mixture of bliss, joy and excitement all at once. I just stood there in awe at this amazing knight on horseback. The vividness was incredible and it felt completely real...

This "dream" occurred long before I started visiting this forum and to be honest I did not think much more of it. Then whilst visiting this site, I searched the forum for anything similar to my experience. This is the thread that sparked my interest:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/woman_returns_from_coma_confirms_obe-t1821.0.html

If anyone else has seen the knight, please let me know. Whether this is validation or pure coincidence, I will let you decide...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: rezaf on July 29, 2012, 20:14:44
Let us know if/when you repeat it!

Did it one more time today and it was successful. BTW I asked my guide to help me again.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Volgerle on July 29, 2012, 20:21:14
Did it one more time today and it was successful. BTW I asked my guide to help me again.
Wow, cool. How is your guide showing you the number, by telling (telepathically / voice) or by e.g. holding up a sign with the number on it?


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: rezaf on July 30, 2012, 02:19:06
Wow, cool. How is your guide showing you the number, by telling (telepathically / voice) or by e.g. holding up a sign with the number on it?

By helping me in remote viewing.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: bluremi on August 17, 2012, 20:54:45
I'm extremely skeptical of validation exercises for the reasons already mentioned in this thread.

That said, if I had to submit a theory on what might be testable, I'd say that trying to "remote view" physical objects that no one else has seen is probably impossible since that would require physical interaction with those objects. In order to "see" anything light needs to pass through a focusing lens and strike a surface. People who astral project aren't sending their eyeballs out into the ether, so this is very unlikely.

If I were to subscribe to any crazy theory, it would be that of shared consciousness. The most compelling stories you hear are the ones where someone is paid a visit and they communicate a thought, idea, or image. Where someone notices something about the physical surroundings that later happens to match reality, it occurs when someone else is physically in the room, awake and observing it. If there is a mass consciousness mechanism that would mean that the only validation you could do would be the "mental communication" kind, rather than the remote viewing, looking at hidden objects, etc.

Having read through this thread with a skeptical eye, this is just a trend I have noticed among the various stories posted. Few and far between are the compelling ones, but they crop up often enough to make me think...


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Bedeekin on August 17, 2012, 21:03:06

If I were to subscribe to any crazy theory, it would be that of shared consciousness. The most compelling stories you hear are the ones where someone is paid a visit and they communicate a thought, idea, or image. Where someone notices something about the physical surroundings that later happens to match reality, it occurs when someone else is physically in the room, awake and observing it. If there is a mass consciousness mechanism that would mean that the only validation you could do would be the "mental communication" kind, rather than the remote viewing, looking at hidden objects, etc.

It's not such a crazy theory. It's a shared theory amongst the experienced of us... using different metaphors... but all in the same flavour.

Remain skeptical though.. and practice it yourself. Only then will YOU really know what you are asking.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Greytraveller on August 18, 2012, 19:28:00
Hallo bluremi
You wrote,
Quote
That said, if I had to submit a theory on what might be testable, I'd say that trying to "remote view" physical objects that no one else has seen is probably impossible since that would require physical interaction with those objects. In order to "see" anything light needs to pass through a focusing lens and strike a surface. People who astral project aren't sending their eyeballs out into the ether, so this is very unlikely.

Excellent description of the Physical mechanics needed to visually see an object. Yet both OBE and remote viewing (RV) are nonphysical experiences. One does not see with the physical eyes during OBE or RV.
I cannot personal vouch for the validity of RV as I have never practiced it. Yet many people can RV accurately.
As for seeing while out of body please check out the sticky titled

Regards  8-)
Grey


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Greytraveller on August 18, 2012, 19:36:31
Hello
Sorry for the double post above as the modify/edit option seems to have disappeared completely from this thread.  :| :? Any way to complete this post the sticky title is "Astral Academy Helps Blind Women to OBE and See" at
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/astral_academy_helps_blind_woman_to_obe_amp_see-t37853.0.html

Can a mod delete my previous post above (the second in this current set of three posts).

Thanx
Grey


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Simo on October 13, 2012, 17:24:00
Hi spacewrangler, well expressed and also now you`re spooking me! I too have had the exact same light switch problem. In LDs (or APs or whatever they are) I am unable to operate light switches. I can flick the switch, but nothing happens.  At best I get a dim glow from the filament, just as you described. This started happening to me when I was very young, maybe 9 or 10 years old and before I started having LDs. Occasionally when I was a kid I would have `strange` dreams in which I was walking around my house. The atmosphere was eerie and I had difficulty moving, like wading through a thick fog. When I tried to turn the hall light on it would glow dimly. In these `fog dreams` I could never get a light to turn on. A few years later I discovered I had the identical problem with LDs. I have read accounts from others who have had the same light switch problems. So either there is more reality to these things than just subconscious ramblings, or else we are all wired that way, as you say.
I know what you mean!Dimly lit house,like it's about to rain outside,no one in your home,and you feel desperate to get some light,but lightswitches don't work,or the lire in the bulb glows faintly,or the bulb flickers,I try to tighten it...I always have a flashlight next to my bed,and it is present in the FA as well.most of the time it works,sometimes dim,once I even hit it in the wall few times,I could feel the metal,and the recoil from the impact...I do find my phone too,but it's screen is also dim,and I use the flashlight to See the screen...I did turn on the camera in on FA and trough it I saw foggy shapes like people moving in my room!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: arkain744 on April 14, 2013, 17:43:30
I scared my then GF by leaving my body during a nap we were taking in the afternoon. I was able to phase out of my body for what felt like a minute then, I snapped back in. She looked at me with a stunned look on her face when I woke up because she felt a change in the density next to her and also the snapping back into the body. 


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Volgerle on April 20, 2013, 22:12:36
I did a card validation a few days ago. It it was the first attempt after a longer pause, which makes it so precious for me. Before that, when I tried this last year, I only had visual fluctuations a few times and could not make a call, also two strangely narrow misses before that and one miss - but that was actually when I saw a card in hypnagogic state and not from AP. All in all a cool result if you ask me.

I wrote it all down in Xanth's forum:

http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=183&sid=b13a61cc542f0c52fd0c58521eccf186

 8-)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: drake on May 06, 2013, 11:42:56
I did a card validation a few days ago. It it was the first attempt after a longer pause, which makes it so precious for me. Before that, when I tried this last year, I only had visual fluctuations a few times and could not make a call, also two strangely narrow misses before that and one miss - but that was actually when I saw a card in hypnagogic state and not from AP. All in all a cool result if you ask me.

I wrote it all down in Xanth's forum:

http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/forums/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=183&sid=b13a61cc542f0c52fd0c58521eccf186

 8-)

This link clear the rest of confusion about card validation.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Volgerle on September 29, 2013, 12:20:53
This is an interview by Thomas Hasenberger and Tom Campbell. Hasenberger is the translator of Tom's book into German:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkjLg-rXRss

The interview is mainly about their early validation experiences (Hasenberger also has some interesting ones to share, such as Tom) and also about collecting evidence.

The interview is done by the guy from Matrixwissen. Btw, it's a good German/English bilingual website on new paradigm-shaking science and metaphysics in general, which that I would recommend (I'm German too - but no, it's not me!).

http://www.matrixwissen.de/index.php?lang=en

I also added this interview to my little modest collection page which serves as a "hub" with links to the respecive original posts or other resources (books, vids). Some of you might know it already, it also features in my signature here.

http://da-lai.lima-city.de/OBE/index.html

I update it once in a while, when I read a new validation kind of experience. It also contains many validations mentioned on this forum and other ones. I do not (!) ask for permission - yeah, I'm bad I know  :wink: -   since it's just a "hub" that only cites the original from other websites which are (for the most part) forum posts that are anonymous already anyway - as anonymous as this da-lai-lima-website itself, too. The site is also cheap and does not cost me any money and I can even keep it anonymously there (and there's no advertisement pop-ups which is great!).

So, if ever you have a validatory experience, gathered some evidence by a method or by accident, please feel free to post it here or elsewhere and I might add it in my collection. If you likewise read sth somewhere please if you like give me a hint or post it here in this very thread called "Validation Thread!" with a link so that I can also include it in my collection.

This "dalai-lima"-page can serve well to get some people who are doubtful thinking, so please feel free to give this link to doubters and 'skeptics'. I know that it will never convince die-hard materialist skeptics, nor does it prove to be "scientific" (whatever taht is anyway...), but as said it might get some more open-minded people thinking and maybe motivate them to try it out themselves - which is what the AstralPulse is also about, after all. So please, if you like, cite this little website and make people read it for further study and motivation.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Volgerle on September 29, 2013, 12:44:33
just a side-note: why do I not see any Modify-Button here to edit out typos or make any corrections in your own posts (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/jgtq-2-c81e.gif)


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Lionheart on September 29, 2013, 12:52:21
just a side-note: why do I not see any Modify-Button here to edit out typos or make any corrections in your own posts (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/jgtq-2-c81e.gif)
Good question. I see it, but I have seen lately that for some reason, the members don't.  :?

 I shall have to bring that up in the Mod Forum.  :|


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Xanth on September 29, 2013, 18:18:35
just a side-note: why do I not see any Modify-Button here to edit out typos or make any corrections in your own posts (http://www.bilder-hochladen.net/files/jgtq-2-c81e.gif)
The permissions for users to modify their posts has never changed.

Try logging in using a different browser.  It should show just fine.
At which point, go back to your original browser and clear the cache and temp files.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: xTr1gger on September 30, 2013, 09:04:16
2nd OBE - Teen years
Validation? Sleeping position of people in the next room .

Fell asleep listening to hemi-sync with headphones on. awoke half an hour later, while separating from the body. Couldn't see anything so i put my feet on the ground beside the bed. rubbed my eyes and everything became clear. there was an entity resembling the cat ghost boy from the grudge. he stared at me and i stared back. at that point my body floated up, stomach facing the ceiling back facing the ground as i floated towards the bedroom beside mine. at that point my body became a little more loose and stood suspended in the air. the was a light past the corner of the room, but just this little area was lit up. i took note of the positions they were sleeping in and jumped back into my body at that point. went into the bedroom 1 person was in the same position as i saw in the astral ( a very awkward sprawled out one at that) while the other one was slightly shifted from laying on their back, to laying on their side.

so i guess you can say it half worked. lol  or perhaps one of the people shifted in the 10-20 seconds it took to get to their room.


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Volgerle on October 02, 2013, 12:46:38
the "awkward sprawled out" position makes it a validation ("enough") for me (I also include "weaker" ones, so I included it  :-) )

Btw, also today added another verified experience to the page which I found in literature. Iit's an OBEr appearing as apparition to his father who confirms it later. A historic case from 1935, just added to my "literature" cases which are more at the top of the page (it was also mentioned in Robert Lughland's book, that's how I know it, about "RAndi's Prize" but I cannot quote it from there as it's not available online, but I recommend this very good book (http://www.amazon.com/RANDIS-PRIZE-sceptics-paranormal-matters/dp/1848764944) anyway).

Quote
"On 23 December, 1935, McBride had been concerned during the entire day about his father. He was under the impression that his father might be ill. Shortly after retiring, at about eight o'clock that evening, he felt himself to be floating in the room, in a whitish light which cast no shadows. He said that he was wide awake at the time. After moving upward to a certain height, he felt himself to be turning vertical, and looking downward he saw his physical body lying on the bed.
He then found that he was floating upward through the building. The ceiling and floor failed to stop him. Almost at once he realized that he was moving through the air towards the north, and he seemed to know he was going to his old home several miles away. Passing through the walls of his father's house, he stood at the foot of the bed in which he saw his father reclining. His father's eyes were fixed upon him and he seemed to be surprised, but he did not seem to hear when McBride spoke to him. The knowledge came to McBride that his father was well, whereupon he found himself travelling back to his bedroom. He again saw his own body, still lying on the bed where he had left it. Re-entering his physical self, he was instantly alert, with no feeling of drowsiness. Throughout this excursion, McBride was aware of a presence, which he was unable to identify, but which he subsequently came to regard as a guide.
Upon recovering possession of his physical body, McBride got up, made a light, and wrote down the time and the account of what he had experienced. Two days later, on Christmas Day, 1935, he visited his father, who verified his experience by saying he had seen McBride, just as he had stood at the foot of the bed."
- http://survivalafterdeath.info/articles/hart/apparitions.htm


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Mark Alexander on October 07, 2013, 19:24:25
Here's a personal experience of mine that resulted in a validation:

I think it was in the summer of 2009 and I was on an extended trip to Ireland, accompanied by both of my parents.  During this time I had been reading a book by William Buehlman, and practicing some of his techniques.  Staying at an old B&B, I managed to induce an OOBE in the early mornings, doing a 'roll-out' technique and exiting into a non-physical version of the room i had been staying in.  I soon flew outside, exploring the hilly countryside that resembled that of that of the physical, complete with the same memorable lake (but with pterodactyl-like creatures flying over the hills).  Then, I got the idea of visiting my parents; went to their room, where I only stayed a bit before deciding to enter their dreams, where I personally fell back into a dream-like mind-state and experienced various interesting scenes.

The next morning, my mother mentions to me in the car that she felt like she saw me in the room in the middle of the night.  (not physically, since we were on opposite ends of the lodge and their door was locked).   


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: catmeow on October 07, 2013, 20:34:18
Thanks Mark, for that. It's curious how validations often take on an unexpected form. I would have expected your mother to have described a "strange" dream in which you played a role. But the sensation of presence which she felt is a curious alternative. Well done anyway!


Title: Re: Validation thread!
Post by: Nameless on September 09, 2016, 07:37:14
I'm totally loving this thread catsmeow. I don't need validation anymore but still love reading them simply to know how it is with others. And just because 9 pages is so pitilin little (:lol:) I'll add one of my own.

I was in middle school when I jumped out of body and went home to see what mom was up to. She was hanging clothes on the line and she suddenly jumped and hollered. The teacher called my name so I jumped back in but kept checking on mom because she was sick. She was throwing up.

When I got home I ran to her room, she was in bed burning up with fever. Dad came home from work to rush her to the ER. I told him to tell the doctor she had been bitten by a spider. By that time mom was completely out of it so dad told the doctor what I said. Sure enough she had been bitten.

Mom asked me a few days later how I had known. I told her she knew and she laughed and said yes, she had a feeling.