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Title: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on February 12, 2010, 20:50:37
I posted the other day sharing my first true OBE experience and I said that I would post again and share my method.  

Note: if you just want the method, minus my explanation of why the way I used to try to AP was wrong, just scroll to the bottom.

You may be asking yourself, "Why would I listen to this guy who just had his first OBE?  Shouldn't I listen to the people who have a lot of experience with OBE?"  And my answer to you is, no, you shouldn't listen to the experienced projectors if you're having trouble with your first projection.  Don't get me wrong, the projectors with months and years of experience are an invaluable resource.  They helped teach me a lot of things about OBEs in general and how to handle my practice.  However, the truth of the matter is that many of them have been doing this for so long that they probably don't even notice how they do it anymore, it has become a natural behavior for them, like eating, brushing their teeth, or driving.  Seriously, how often do you think about how you drive?  How easy would it be for you to teach someone how to drive?  There are so many subtleties about how you drive a car that become unconscious once you learn how to do it and it can be difficult to think it through in order to teach someone else when you've been doing it for so long.  So it might stand to reason that someone who has just had their first "successful drive out in the country" is slightly more conscious of the actions that produced that first successful trip.  That is why you should listen to me.  Plus, if you've had as much trouble with all of this as me then you'll probably be willing to listen to anything. :-D

So with a fresh pair of eyes, let me share with you how I did it.

Why was it so hard?!?!

Before I tell you what I did right, I need to tell you what I did 'wrong' and how that made successful projection very difficult for a long time.  

When I first learned about Astral Projection I went out to buy a book and start learning how to do it.  I went to my local Borders and scoured the new age section (what an awful generalization of so many different subjects on their part) and finally found the little subsection of AP books.  I looked through a couple different ones, Astral Dynamics (RB), Astral Voyages (Bruce Goldberg), Journeys Out of The Body (Monroe), etc., etc.  I ultimately chose a book called, simply enough, Astral Projection (and the Nature of Reality) by a guy names John Magnus.  Most of you probably have never heard of it, he seems to be a one-hit-wonder.  However, his book was really good for my first experience (I really chose it because I liked the cover the best).  The only method he really gave was to try to maintain awareness while to went to sleep at night, and unfortunately I could never stay awake.  With little success I moved on and didn't think about AP for a while.  

Eventually I got interested again and bought RB and Brian Mercer's 90 Day Guide to AP.  As interested as I was, I couldn't ever make myself stick to the schedule and I eventually lost interest and moved on to other metaphysical/philosophical type things.  Then, about a year ago I started working at a metaphysical bookshop and one day came across Astral Dynamics.  I wasn't even going to buy it at first, but I was really interested in developing my sensitivity to subtle energies, especially in respect to being able to feel the vibrations of crystals and gemstones.  Crystals are a focus of my store and I always had customers asking me to help them pick the right one for them and I had seen my boss hold crystals and "feel" which one had the most intense vibrations and I wanted to do that.  It was recommended to me that I do some kind of energy work, like Tai Chi or Reiki.  I Googled energy work and came across the Astral Dynamics site and saw the NEW section.  I liked what I saw, so I bought AD and reading it completely renewed my interest in AP.  

I started practicing immediately.  I followed RB's methods completely and I practiced everyday.  Within just a few short weeks of doing RB's methods I started to see results.

My typical procedure went like this:

Deep Breathing (couple minutes)
Progressive Relaxation
Deep Breathing
Hand and Feet Stimulation
Deep Breathing
Energy Bounce Arms, Legs, Body
Deep Breathing
Full-Body Circuit
Deep Breathing
Trance Induction (with falling sensation)
Deep Breathing
Energy Center Stimulation
Deep Breathing
Energy Body Loosening
Exit-Procedure (usually rope method)

I usually did all of this sitting in a reading chair.  It isn't a recliner, it's cushioned, and has a high back for good neck and head support.  For much of my practice with this technique I had good results.  Nearly every time I practiced I would experience very intense exit sensations, like rapid heart beat, fluttering eyelids, rapid shallow breathing, rushes of energy in my torso, etc.  But for some reason I could never exit.  I would feel trance symptoms, like the feeling of floating and I would think that my "astral body" was separated and was just stuck and I would strain and try to force myself to float away but all I ever wound up doing was tensing my muscles and ruining my trance.  I got tired of always getting that far and never getting out and so I decided to lay off for a while and see if taking a break helped.  

After a couple months I decided to try again.  I bought the new edition of AD, thinking that there might be some new info in it that could help me.  I started my practice again and I got the exact same results.  I didn't know what to do so I performed a magickal ritual to show me the direction my practice needed to go in order for me to successfully AP.  That ritual brought me back to Astral Pulse Forum which started me on the road to success (this was about 1 and 1/2 months ago).  

Now, before I move on and tell you what combination of things brought me to success, let me tell you what was 'wrong' about my old methods.  There wasn't really anything wrong with the RB methods, there was just something missing.  What was missing was a description about the state of mind needed to get out.  RB does describe it but then presents SO MUCH other material that you get distracted from what I feel is the most important aspect.  What was wrong with this approach was that as a novice I hadn't yet discovered the subtleties of going on the drive that is AP.  The simple error on my part was putting too much effort into the techniques themselves and less effort in achieving the right state of mind.  I feel like RB left the importance of state of mind out of Astral Dynamics.  I think this because, like I said before, experienced projectors tend to neglect the subtleties when teaching because they are second nature to them.  I'll bet that when you do the online school, particularly because it uses the "Journeys Out of Body" Hemi Sync, that RB and his fellow teachers get the point across of the importance of state of mind.

What did I finally do right?

When I finally cam back around to the Astral Pulse Forum, I stumbled on Frank's phasing method.  It wasn't entirely Frank's method that I was interested in.  What I was curious about what how he was able to phase/project by just "noticing" when all these years I had been doing all kinds of techniques and processes and energy work and exercises with no success.  It occurred to me that there was something different going on here, something that didn't come through in AD.  I was really at a loss as to what to look for and where to find it so I just started to go through the authors that I hadn't read before.  I got Robert Peterson's first book and realized that I actually had read part of it online years ago.  But back then, the part I read didn't make as much sense because I was still focused on the the technique, not the preparation.  This time around when I read one particular chapter of his book it all clicked into place.

I had been coming to this realization for a while through years of contemplation on Astral Theory, but it never really solidified until recently.  I had basically been coming to the same understanding as Frank.  My ultimate error with the RB material was that I took it very literally.  I thought that I was doing what I was doing because I had an Astral Body that I literally needed to separate from my physical body.  Now I don't want to say that we don't have energy bodies, what I'm saying is that any energy bodies we do have (besides the etheric, the one that shares out body all the time and keeps us alive) don't exist here in our physical body per se.  I think that when we project, it's not that our normal awareness copies itself out from our body into an astral double that was generated for that experience, but rather our awareness shifts to a "subtle body" that already exists at a different vibratory rate than our physical body.  I also don't really believe that we ever truly inhabit out physical body, we are just focused here.  We exist simultaneously through all of the vibratory frequencies of existence.  To me, its like our physical body is just transmitting sensory data to our consciousness that exists somewhere else.  To project is less a matter of "phasing" to a different frequency and more about out consciousness changing the input source of sensory data.  

[Another, slightly less important, revelation I had through this whole process was that every one of these different vibratory realities is relatively physical.  By that I mean that to the awarenesses that inhabit that space, it is like what we describe as physical.  We only describe our reality as physical because any time someone does experience something else, it's always at a vibratory rate that's higher than this.  For some reason we assume that we are at "the bottom" of the spectrum, but I don't see any reason to assume that the spectrum isn't infinite in both directions.]

So why is this relevant?  Because it means that the trick isn't in literally shifting your awareness into an astral double generated by your body.  Though the "physics" behind the process may indeed be what RB describes, for all intents and purposes this idea is just misleading.  What is important is being able to "disconnect" the input of sensory data from the 'physical' body and change it to the 'astral body'.  SO!  How does one do this?

Mostly by dissociation.

Here is the short and sweet method that got me out:  

The first thing you should do is forget every method or technique you know, you won't need it right now.  

Ideally wait until you are a little sleepy.  I would try in the morning after you wake up or in the late afternoon/early evening when you feel sleepy enough for a nap.  

Lay down somewhere that you could fall asleep.  (I know it sounds completely backwards)

Close your eyes and let yourself drift off like you were going to sleep.

Maintain just enough consciousness to be aware of the ringing/whining sound in your ears.  Even if you don't hear it at first just keep trying and you will eventually.  I like to get those foam ear plugs and put them in because it ensures there won't be interference from outside sounds.  It will just be you and your inner ear sounds.  

If you want to speed it up a little first you can throw in a little bit of the trance induction falling sensation. But as soon as you feel some light trance sensations stop the falling and just go to sleep while listening to the sound.

You should start to feel some heavy trance symptoms really fast.  As soon as you do you will add another little focusing point, the center of the blackness behind your eyes or your third eye.  Either way.  Focus on the blackness and the sound in your ears.  

Here is the most important part of all of this.  DO NOT treat this like a method.  Just act like you're going to sleep and barely paying attention to the sound and blackness.  In fact you may lightly fall asleep a few times, but its ok, that's really what you want because when you regain awareness you'll be very dissociated from your body.  

For me this tends to take about and hour and a half.  Usually because I lightly fall asleep a few times, but also when you're in this deep state time goes by really fast.  Honestly I feel like I've only been laying down for about 10 minutes each time.  

I had my first successful projection the other day with this method and I have used it to replicate my projection every day since.  I already used it twice today.

What you want through all of this is to be uninterested.  You want to be receptive, as if you don't care whether you project or not.  It's your interest in projection that inhibits you and keeps you to aware of the sensory input from your body.  Once you make it out once, the rest will be down hill.  

Please feel free to ask me questions.  I will do everything I can to help those who are having difficulty getting out.  I want nothing more than for all of you to be able to experience this too.  You can do it, I promise.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on February 12, 2010, 21:05:50
Piece of cake!  :lol:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on February 12, 2010, 21:07:23
Got some cole's notes for this?  >_>

 :lol:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on February 13, 2010, 00:29:53
CLIFF'S NOTES

[Note: I recommend using a MindFold and foam Earplugs.  If you don't have a MindFold, you can use a sleep mask or bandanna.  These create a "make-shift sensory deprivation chamber" which really helps me.

Forget your technique.

Forget that you're trying to project.

Intend to go to sleep.

Listen for ringing/whining sound in your ears.

Feel trance sensations.

Stare into the blackness behind your eyes.

Hold this state as long as possible.  This is the Quiescent Mind State, I call it Q-Mind.

To get an idea of what this Q-Mind is like, imagine seeing lightning in the sky.  After it flashes, you stop to listen for the subsequent clap of thunder.  In that brief moment between lightning and thunder is Q-Mind.  You are completely still and your mind is completely silent and focused, all your attention directed to listening.

Look into the blackness and imagine you just saw lightning and then you listen to the ringing in your ears, waiting for the thunder.

Don't fret if you doze off.

When you get close to projection the exit sensations will rouse you.

Wait for vibrations.  When they come you will instinctively know how to raise them. 

Leave the body.

 :lol:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on February 13, 2010, 00:31:05
sorry.

COLES NOTES

for my Canadian brethren.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: TiMeLezZ on February 13, 2010, 02:36:53
Very, intriguing article. In fact, right after I read it I registered with the forum to post a response. I enjoyed every word that was written. I'm very much like you are (well use to be anyways) I've read the books, learned the techniques, and none of it seemed to work. I thought astral projection would be a walk in the park seeing that I've endeavored  many "medium-like" experiences and have excellent dream recall (and many lucid experiences). I just can't seem to get a grasp on Astral projection. I have only done it once while under the influence of a particular drug and even then it wasn't much of an experience. I'm extremely meditative; however, I cannot whatsoever get out. It's very frustrating because I know I am capable; I just don't get it I suppose. I'm going to try again tonight with a new mindset and without the caring, or excitement. Is there any other bit of information I you can offer?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: scatterbrain on February 13, 2010, 04:57:08
I want to voice my thanks too. I intend on trying (or rather "not trying") this. There's something very zen about this..."not" method... :lol:

Update: Wow. I actually made progress today. For the first time, I heard the tone in my right ear. I was sleeping on my left ear and couldn't hear a tone from it. As soon as I began to focus my attention on the tone, it became louder and I felt sensations in my body that are, at this moment, very difficult to describe. After about 20 seconds though, I started to lose my grip. Within a minute, I was back to normal and am now typing this message. I know it doesn't sound like much, but this is the closest I've gotten to anything resembling what I've read on this forum. Now, I just need to take the next step...

Hmm, something tells me that instead of typing this very excited update, I should've tried to go back to sleep, and "not try" to induce the tone again. Oh, well! Next nap!


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on February 13, 2010, 15:42:53
It's very frustrating because I know I am capable; I just don't get it I suppose. I'm going to try again tonight with a new mindset and without the caring, or excitement. Is there any other bit of information I you can offer?

I truly thought I was in capable.  I have some extenuating circumstances that I thought would prevent me from projecting.  The most daunting is a medication that I take.  In an attempt at full disclosure and because others might have my problem I will share the history that created my problem.  I am a recovering heroin addict and I'm in an Opiate Replacement Program, which means I take a medication called Suboxone (similar to the more popular Methadone).  I've been on this medication for almost 2 years.  I'm actually in the process of tapering off of it now, scheduled to be done in mid March.  I bring this up because it alludes to a history of drug abuse that I was worried would adversely effect my ability to project.  As unfortunate of an experience that this may seem, it actually helped me a lot in that getting sober was a big motivation in dedicating myself to finding a way to explore my reality without drugs.  But all lessons come with a price.  Over the course of my abuse, I overdosed on heroin once, I overdosed on cocaine 4 times, I had 4 seizures (which correspond to the cocaine ODs), I dislocated my shoulder during my first seizure and again each subsequent seizure (I had to have surgery to repair it) and I've been on this opiate replacement medication for 2 years now.  I was terrified that the seizures may have damaged my brain thereby somehow preventing me from being able to project.  Also, the long term use of opiates severely hinders your brain's neurotransmitter production capabilities and I've read somewhere that serotonin and dopamine are necessary for successful projection.  Needless to say, I was pretty sure I had ruined my ability to project.  On top of all that, I mentioned that the medication (Suboxone) was the most daunting problem.  The reason for this is that it is an opiate and opiates make you very very sleepy.  I have been getting a long lasting, fast acting opiate administered every day for a long time which means that no matter how much caffeine, guarana, ginseng, B vitamins, etc., etc., etc. I ingest, I'm still falling asleep constantly.  I can barely stay awake most of the time.  And even now that I'm tapering my dose, I still find it difficult to stay awake all the time.  Not to mention that Suboxone isn't just an opiate, it also contains an opiate receptor blocker called Naltrexone that no one really knows what kind of long term effect might come along for the ride. 

Nevertheless, I have been successful!  I tell you this not for pity or concern, but to let you know that even someone who seemed to have all the odds against them was able to do this.  If I can do it, you can do it.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Stillwater on February 13, 2010, 20:28:17
Well Congratulations on your success, and I'm glad you were able to work out your background issues! It's not easy to step away from something like that, and heroin is about as addicting as they come.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on February 18, 2010, 03:37:34
CLIFF'S NOTES
[Note: I recommend using a MindFold and foam Earplugs.  If you don't have a MindFold, you can use a sleep mask or bandanna.  These create a "make-shift sensory deprivation chamber" which really helps me.

I have been training with a blindfold for the past several months. Often I will sleep with it on, wake up, do my martial arts training, eat breakfast, make tea and then meditate / AP with the blindfold still on! :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: joel1212 on February 18, 2010, 07:38:12
I have been training with a blindfold for the past several months. Often I will sleep with it on, wake up, do my martial arts training, eat breakfast, make tea and then meditate / AP with the blindfold still on! :-D
um..
how do u see?!


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on February 18, 2010, 08:01:12
I sense the room around me by listening to where the music is coming from, the birds chirping outside, the heat from the sun coming through the windows, the EMF coming from the refrigerator / TV / computers... Then after a long enough time I begin to visualize the rooms as if my eyes were wide open.

We humans do have other senses other than just our eyes you know.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Tiny on February 19, 2010, 06:01:40
Dear personalreality,

I agree with you in a sense that all the instructional books are really more good-will than actual help and all their confusing terms and descriptions may just cause more problems than solutions.

None of the normal "unhooking" OBE techniques ever worked for me, only going as close to sleep as possible and phasing into OBE or the indirect way of going to sleep with the inprogrammed reminder to waking up in the OBE state.

My personal problem is really the memory download during reentry, of which I was only 1 time succesful. In fact, I only know to have been OOB by having a certain 'feeling' afterwards that I know I don't get after periods of sleep.


peace


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on February 19, 2010, 15:04:51
That's something else that I think RB has goofed up in people's minds.  I was always terrified of not being able to remember the experience after it was done, but from my experiences it is exactly the same as remembering a dream.  I don't think that the download is so tricky.  I mean, the info has to come back.  It's just how well you've trained yourself to remember these "shadow memories".  Which is what RB said, but I think that in an effort to make it all more scientific or technical he made it sound like a bigger deal than it is. 

For example.  Yesterday I had about 5-6 OBEs in a row.  I would go out, black out, go out, black out, etc. etc.  I couldn't remember the first one at all but I could remember the last one.  Just like a dream, I remembered the one that was the closest to my waking consciousness.  I knew the first one happened, but the memory slipped away as I had subsequent OBEs.  When I came back the final time there were traces of the first one drifting away, but the last one I remembered like it was a movie I had seen 100 times.  So, what does this teach us?  Don't go out 1000 times in a row because you won't remember the first one.  It seems that unless you are trained to remember shadow memories then the longer the projection is, the more trouble you'll have remembering the whole thing.  Which is why RB says to KEEP IT SHORT in the beginning.  But I still don't think it's that big of a problem.  You just need to practice remembering, thus the importance of keeping a dream journal. 

I really don't want to knock RB, I just feel like he made something that's really kind of simple a lot harder than it had to be.  Personally that created fear in me that caused me to forget more shadow memories.  (mostly dreams)  I was so worried about remembering that I remembered to remember but forgot what I was supposed to remember. 

This brings up a bigger issue.  I understand the desire to describe the whole OBE phenomena as fully as possible.  Not just for replication but so that others will understand that this is a glorious experience that everyone should have.  But, as with everything in this world, when you start labeling things and making them more and more specific, you tend to limit the possibilities.  The complexities of human consciousness and the experiences it is capable of are enormous to the point that it is probably impossible to fully catalog and convert it to data.  I mean, I think that's the point.  It should be experienced individually and entirely subjectively.  When you quantify something you take away it's spirit.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: thirdeye26 on February 19, 2010, 16:08:08
1 out of 2 people die in AP, eh? Now why did you say that????

Ok, getting back to your present post... yup, you do have a point about listening to newbies and forgetting all the old techniques. Seeing auras is something similar. The more you try, the more difficult it becomes. The minute you let go, it all comes back to you.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Realisation on February 19, 2010, 23:45:12
How do you bypass the natural fear response if it's your first-time though?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: radman32 on February 20, 2010, 08:25:19
those suggestions r very helpful, I'll try it. I guess that's where my work has been leading me anyways!!


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on February 20, 2010, 09:05:06
How do you bypass the natural fear response if it's your first-time though?

Just try not to think about!  :lol:

Always keep your mind on the 'present', the here and now and you'll do fine.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Realisation on February 20, 2010, 11:09:46
I tried it last night before I went to bed, got into a light trance but then I got a jolt of 'vibrations' that brought me out of it. Guess I need to go at it slower?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on February 20, 2010, 11:11:31
Slower, faster, whatever works. I always like to push it to the limit.  :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on February 21, 2010, 03:54:26
I just posted about this in the topic "The Resurrection of Robert Bruce".  WHen I get out I usually fall asleep a few times and wake up a few times (lightly of course) and it's at this point when I wake up that I feel the vibrations and exit.  I don't know if it's because I'm teetering so much on the edge of sleep or what, but the vibrations aren't very intense at all.  Though when I do intensify the vibrations they reach a point where it kind of starts to tickle down to the bone.  The first couple of times it was so intense that I almost had to quit.  But I've found that once I start the increase of vibration intensity there seems to be a threshold where once that point is crossed I don't have to hold my state of mind so delicately.  I just let go and the process works out on its own.  Keep it up.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on February 22, 2010, 16:46:09
How do you bypass the natural fear response if it's your first-time though?
Exactly the same way you get past any fear.
Face it and overcome it.

There's no "easy" way.  :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Stookie on February 22, 2010, 17:00:54
I agree - hitting it head on is the best way.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on February 24, 2010, 00:19:36
I've noticed as I've read through posts that (a lot) of people seem to have had a little bit of success doing this.  I'm happy.



Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Draq on February 24, 2010, 05:01:36
Thanks for this info Personalreality !

i have been trying hard this past week, but failed twice once i get the buzz. i lose my focus because i got too excited.

just hope i can get into astral world soon.

when do you know you are ready to leave your body? there was once i felt like i had two heads, but i am not sure if i was imagining it.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on February 24, 2010, 18:24:42
I know I'm ready to exit when I feel vibrations.  At that point I just increase their intensity and vibrate out of the body. 

Vibrations aren't always felt though.  Since I've begun having successful projections (only been a few weeks now) the vibrations have decreased significantly.  I still feel them, but nothing like I did when I started.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: WASD on February 24, 2010, 23:57:57
Sounds like very good technique to me :) will try tomorrow. I've tried similar things after waking up but i never really gave them time. And once i got vibrations after being awake for 1 minute so i believed it should be that fast.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: 11_Chimp_11 on February 25, 2010, 07:41:23
Hi Personalreality, on your blog you say you've been doing energy work prior to your obe's lately. Can I ask what you've been doing exactly?

Love reading your entires btw. And thanks for the tips in this thread - I've been getting closer to an exit with your 'non' method. :)
Focusing on the ringing in the ears really ramps things up for me...just gotta maintain that focus and not get too excited when the vibes kick in. I'll keep you posted.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Tiny on March 01, 2010, 15:35:54
Dear personalreality,

thank you for using the term "dissociation".

I looked it up and i read (translated):

Quote
Dissociation in psychology is the partial or complete loss of normal integration of memories of the past, identity, immediate perceptions and motor control

It fits so perfectly the description of trance meditation.

Now I find it so deceptive to say one has to focus in meditation, while that may appear true on a deeper level, the kind of focus concerning trance meditation is really a state of being in a stable void, as i would describe it, so un-focus becomes a sort of focus.


peace


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 01, 2010, 17:37:37
You know, I've found over the past few months that my paradigm for OBE theory and practice had a lot of little "inconsistencies" that weren't really bad or wrong, but a simple change in perspective regarding some of these things has done a lot to change the way I think about OBEs as a whole and in my opinion fueled the fire of my first exit. 

One of those inconsistencies was using terms like "body asleep" or "paralyzed".  Again, not to say that those terms are wrong, but in my personal experience, they were misleading. 

I remember a long time ago, asking people on this forum how I was supposed to make my body paralyzed, because I couldn't do it and I was sure I'd never project until I could.  More recently I spent so much time and effort trying to make my body go to sleep while I kept my mind awake that my mind would be WIDE AWAKE and my body would be in a light trance.  I've discovered through trial, error, research and contemplation that the way I was thinking about the proper state of mind and body was deceptive and was leading me to do the opposite of what I have learned I should do. 

When you think about it, dissociation from the body is what you really want.  You don't want your body to be paralyzed because let's face it, that's scary!! (and therefore disruptive and distracting)  You also don't want mind awake/body asleep (this has different meaning once you've experienced it) because you often exert too much mental effort to get to that place actively (I think it's more appropriate to think of this as a passively achieved state).  Frank describes this well when he's teaching phasing.  What you're doing when you phase is turning your attention from the outside to the inside, a 180 degree turn.  So, what is your body?  It's the outside.  And what is your "mind"?  For our purposes, it's the inside.  So what you want to do then is to "turn off" awareness of your body and shift to the awareness of your non-physical functions.  I think that the subtleties here are important.  While mind awake/body asleep or paralysis are certainly ways that this state can be achieved, they are not the actual goal (In my opinion naturally).  The real goal then is to dissociate your mind from your body, to "forget" your body, the memories of your body and most importantly the sensations associated, thus dis-associating from the experience of a physical body and an association with the non-physical aspects of your experience.

I also explained this to Eyyoshi recently, I have changed my usage of the word vibration to the word buzz.  The reason is that I don't experience bodily vibrations per se.  What I experience is a buzzing sensation as I actually exit.  I had a misconception for a long time that in order to exit I had to first feel my body vibrate.  I knew and know that everyone feels or doesn't feel different things before exit.  But I still thought that some feeling was required BEFORE the exit.  Now that I have experienced it, it's not that I feel buzzing before the exit, but rather I buzz as I exit.  So the buzzing isn't my queue that it's time to exit, it's just a sensation I feel as I move from one awareness to another.  The way I like to think of it is that while in physicality I'm very focused on the body and when I'm out of body I'm very focused on the non-physical environment.  But when I'm moving from one to the other there's a split second where I'm not specifically focused on either one, rather I'm focused on the actual vibrational frequency of the "light" in between.  Think of it like this:


----------------------------------------------------
~~~~~~~~~~  NON-PHYSICAL  ~~~~~~~~~~~~                             
----------------------------------------------------     
                                                                         ^
                        PHASE--SHIFT                              |  180 degree shift
                                                                         v
----------------------------------------------------
~   ~    ~    ~      PHYSICAL     ~    ~    ~    ~    ~
----------------------------------------------------

You can see that the non-physical experience "vibrates" faster than the physical.  That's thermodynamics.  The faster something vibrates, the more "transparent" it becomes relative to physical reality.  (i.e. solid --> liquid --> gas --> plasma --> non-physical)  The "substance" of the non-physical (perhaps it's strings) vibrates at a faster frequency than the "substance" of the physical, thereby making it undetectable to our normal physical senses and technological instruments (both of which can detect it given enough development) and allowing the non-physical realms to exist simultaneously in the same space as our physical realm.  So, in the phase-shift (for lack of a better term) there is a transition happening between the frequency of the physical and non-physical.  I mean it doesn't just jump from one to the other, it moves up a gradient of increasing or decreasing frequency.  In that in between space, there isn't any "solidified" object to focus attention on.  All that is there is abstract energy of differing frequency and our awareness moves through it when going from physical to non-physical and back.  And so, with no specific form to focus on, we just perceive the energy and it comes across as buzzing or vibrating. 

Personally I don't experience it on the way back to the physical because I usually black out and am suddenly aware of my body instead of the non-physical.  This happens (I think) because I've "run out" of usable astral energy and so i get zapped back because I can't keep it up, I'm fatigued.  So my awareness has lost.....awareness I guess, of the transition because there's no more energy to fuel the perception of the experience.   


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 01, 2010, 18:08:01
Hi Personalreality, on your blog you say you've been doing energy work prior to your obe's lately. Can I ask what you've been doing exactly?

Love reading your entires btw. And thanks for the tips in this thread - I've been getting closer to an exit with your 'non' method. :)
Focusing on the ringing in the ears really ramps things up for me...just gotta maintain that focus and not get too excited when the vibes kick in. I'll keep you posted.

I do the energy work that Robert Bruce sets out as a part of a projection process in Astral Dynamics.  I usually induce a light-medium trance and then (in this order, but do it however you want I guess):

1. Pre-stimulate Hands and Feet (simultaneously)
2. Arm Bounce
3. Leg Bounce
4. Whole Body Bounce
5. Whole Body Energy Circuit w. Arms

These are all techniques taught by RB in his NEW Energy Ways System  -->  http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/new-energy-ways/what-is-new.html (http://www.astraldynamics.com/home/new-energy-ways/what-is-new.html)

It's an invaluable resource and most successful OBEers here use some form of energy work because it helps you gain control of your OBEs.  From experience I can tell you that when I do energy work prior to exiting, I stay out longer, my consciousness is sharper, I have better control of my movement and I get pulled into fantasy traps/imagination traps less often.  When I don't do energy work first, I am pulled back to the body very soon after exit and I have less strength to resist the pull of my body.  I mean, what happens when you don't eat food?  You feel weak and its hard for you to function.  You can't think as clearly, you don't have any strength, you might even get the shakes or a headache and if you go long enough without food you can die.  The non-physical experience is no different.  Your form there needs food too, and I personally think that each time a projection ends abruptly (i.e. when you black out or are pulled back to your body) your non-physical form has died from malnutrition and your consciousness is then instantly flipped back to the strongest place of focus which is usually the physical body.  Luckily for us, the non-physical counterpart is invincible, it was just that particular extrusion from the body that has passed away. 


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 01, 2010, 19:20:23
@PR

You mentioned that buzzing in your ear you focused on, try setting up some loud fan in your room, that will make your exit much easier (or so I'm told, I'm still at the beginning OBE stages myself)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 01, 2010, 19:29:34
I focus on the ringing in my ears to achieve a single-minded focus.  I will often use foam ear plugs to tune out external noises so that I can only hear the ringing in my ears.  I feel a buzzing when I'm actually separating from my physical body. 


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 01, 2010, 19:33:57
I focus on the ringing in my ears to achieve a single-minded focus.  I will often use foam ear plugs to tune out external noises so that I can only hear the ringing in my ears.  I feel a buzzing when I'm actually separating from my physical body. 
What you should try next is asking questions while in OBE state.
Like purpose of the universe??  Or who your soulmate is?? 

Many AP'ers report getting instant answers somehow


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 01, 2010, 19:59:18
Perhaps they get answers quickly because there is a malevolent being feeding them whatever crap it can think up.



Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Tiny on March 01, 2010, 20:36:29
Perhaps they get answers quickly because there is a malevolent being feeding them whatever crap it can think up.



I second that.

And one can only imagine how much damage an astral being may cause to a naive projector with lines like: "I am you from the future! Now listen, so you can make great positive changes and avoid making the mistakes I have made!"
Deception and delusion are so limitless and infinitely dangerous in a realm where anything is possible.


peace


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 01, 2010, 20:44:13
I've been told (not in the astral  :lol: ) that benevolent beings who legitimately want to help will go away if you tell them that you don't want to talk right now, but malevolent beings will resist and say things like, "Ok, but you're missing out on information that could help you ascend" or "No, I'm your guide, I'm always here with you".  These things seems harmless, but a true guide respects your wishes whether its the best thing for you or not.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 01, 2010, 22:32:40
Exactly how many of these malevolent beings have you guys encountered??!!   :-o


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 01, 2010, 22:59:26
Thank you for this information. I am sort of new to to all of this and been trying to ap myself. The first or second night I tried I thought I had fell asleep, but then had a intense buz shoot through my body. My heart started racing and I felt light like I was floating, but I had no clue what to do after that. It gas been 19 days since I started this and I decided today I would search for a forum that just focuses on ap and things realating to that. I had first started out with a dream forum and got really interested in dreams, then while on that forum I ended up on an indigo forum which is how I came to learn about the astral and that you can go to the astral in dreams. Which it turns out I have been, but I had just thought they were nothing but dreams. I wanted to know how to ap without having to wait until night and then maybe ap, so I contacted a friend who was very happy to hear what i said and also gave some advice.... So I have been trying since then every night and even during the day some.. I have a question. Are you extremely tired from this? Since I started trying to ap I have been soooo tired -o-. Infact I wish I could take nap for about twelve hours + right now.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 01, 2010, 23:37:47
I'm not particularly tired, well not any more than usual. 

But, I will say that I don't practice at night when going to bed because it's too easy to fall asleep and if you do that over and over then you will program your brain/body to think that when you do AP practice it's time to go to sleep.  That can be a pain to reprogram.

I usually practice in the afternoon after I've slept for 6-8 hours and been up for about 4-6 hours.  Actually, I feel quite rested and refreshed after I AP. 


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 01, 2010, 23:53:03
I'm not particularly tired, well not any more than usual. 

But, I will say that I don't practice at night when going to bed because it's too easy to fall asleep and if you do that over and over then you will program your brain/body to think that when you do AP practice it's time to go to sleep.  That can be a pain to reprogram.

I usually practice in the afternoon after I've slept for 6-8 hours and been up for about 4-6 hours.  Actually, I feel quite rested and refreshed after I AP. 
Can you AP easily and regularly now without any problems??
If so how many months/years did it take to get good at AP'ing??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 02, 2010, 00:06:00
:( I was just now trying, but then it got noisy and scared me. Night time while I am suppose to be asleep is the only time there is any quiet here. Just a bit ago while I was trying your instructions, it felt as though everything was shaking, and I had a tingling sensation throughout my body.... (oh now it is quiet lol)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 02, 2010, 02:17:47
Listen for ringing/whining sound in your ears
Have you noticed the ringing (or buzzing noise) comes in waves??!!

It does with me


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 02, 2010, 03:15:24
Fresco,

I have only been successfully projecting for about a month and a half, but I've been training off and on for probably 6 years now.  I would say that I have been REALLY training for about 8 months with a 2 month break from last Nov till the beginning of Jan.  In mid Jan I started practicing again and within about a month I had my fist successful projection.

However, I can now AP regularly at will.  By at will I mean that every time I lay down to do my practice I AP.  I can't just stand up and say "AP!" and poof I'm out of my body.  But any time I lay down I can get out, provided I practice under the right conditions.  I have tried to AP a couple times with adverse outcomes, but I really should have known better than to practice then anyway, I was really sore, tired, and my mind was really fatigued.  It's not really that hard once you get the hang of it. 

I have noticed "waving" sounds in regard to the ringing, but I'm gonna say that it is either because you are using your attention to make the sound "wave" OR your heart beat is effecting the sound.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 02, 2010, 04:33:11
I was told the buzzing noise you hear are your brainwaves.  And if I'm not mistaken brainwaves when measured on an EEG (electroencephalograph) machine look like they happen in waves also.  It could very well have something to do with breathing, except the waves dont match up with the breaths I take, they seem to be much longer  intervals


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Tiny on March 02, 2010, 07:59:52

However, I can now AP regularly at will.  By at will I mean that every time I lay down to do my practice I AP.

Dear personalreality,

that is wonderful.

So in concluding your writings, am I correct by assuming that you have been able to do so since the time you learned to properly move into that passive, dissociative state without desiring AP and without superficial "effort" other than remaining in "Q-mind"?


peace


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 02, 2010, 12:38:42
Tiny,

Yes, it would be safe to assume that I achieved consistent success when I learned to properly achieve "Q-Mind".  I have been trying, like I said, for years, but only recently (past 8 months or so) has my practice been a disciplined and concentrated effort.  For the years prior to last summer(ish) I would casually try to project at bed time, I may have tried a couple times to use a particular method, but I never really put much effort into it.  At the time I was living the life of the wheeler and dealer, running the streets, slinging drugs, doing lots of drugs.  I had quite a few experiences of OBE type states under the influence of salvia divinorum, DMT, psilocibyn (sp?), LSD, MDMA, opium and marijuana.  But I don't count those experiences at legit OBEs, for reasons of personal philosophy.  I also wouldn't recommend anyone using any of these substances to achieve OBE (except for DMT in the form of Ayuhasca in the proper perspective), you have to combine them and take more than anyone should to achieve a proper OBE and it's just not worth it as I posted elsewhere yesterday.

But in the recent 8 months I practiced a lot of RB methods, got kind of close but no success.  It was recently (2 months) that I used some spellwork (specifically I dressed a candle and made a sigil) to lead me to the answer to my failures and it did.  Q-Mind and Frank's explanation of phasing (though I don't use phasing).


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 02, 2010, 14:48:53
@ personalreality

Yup, your method works.  I last night got to the vibrations part right before exiting I chickened out though because it was dark and I didnt wanna OBE ina  pitchdark room.  I got to the heavy vibrations part with sweaty palms and some faint bright lights.  Very cool!!  Also very weird because this is not what happened with my first unplanned spontaneous OBE.

I'm having a lot of fun with this, greatest thing since sliced bread  :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 02, 2010, 15:22:32
^^ I also tried last night, but I did not AP. I also got some very intense vibrations and every started to shake again.... Is everything suppose to shake?.. I sort of messed it all up, because I decided to jump and check the time. ^^", but I tried again, same thing happened.... -.- and I fell asleep, only to wake up several hours later, 20 mins before I was suppose too. -.-, but I will try again tonight, or maybe when I get home.  I really can not wait ^u^


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 02, 2010, 15:31:48
^^ I also tried last night, but I did not AP. I also got some very intense vibrations and every started to shake again.... Is everything suppose to shake?.. I sort of messed it all up, because I decided to jump and check the time. ^^", but I tried again, same thing happened.... -.- and I fell asleep, only to wake up several hours later, 20 mins before I was suppose too. -.-, but I will try again tonight, or maybe when I get home.  I really can not wait ^u^
Nighttime is the worst time to AP they say, also its not good to AP after a meal (wait at least 3 to 4 hrs.)
Best time is afternoonish around 4 or 5PM.

Stick with it though, practice makes perfect.  I'm told anyone can do this


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 02, 2010, 15:40:50
Nighttime is the worst time to AP they say, also its not good to AP after a meal (wait at least 3 to 4 hrs.)
Best time is afternoonish around 4 or 5PM.

Stick with it though, practice makes perfect.  I'm told anyone can do this
I am going to try and find some earplugs... really all the noise that goes on in the morning/afternoons freak me out and messes everything up. ^^"


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on March 02, 2010, 16:48:01
Nighttime is the worst time to AP they say
Nighttime for *most of us* means "time to sleep".
Our bodies know this as well.  Generally it's a time after we've spent a long while being awake and doing stuff... so we're mentally tired.
This isn't quite the state of mind we want to be in to practice projection or do trance work.

Quote
, also its not good to AP after a meal (wait at least 3 to 4 hrs.)
This is because your body diverts a good portion of your blood to your stomach area to assist in the digestion process.  This can be quite distracting.

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Best time is afternoonish around 4 or 5PM.
For a good chunk of us, this is the best time to do it as you're physically and mentally wide awake... yet, you're slightly on the "becoming tired" side of your day. 

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Stick with it though, practice makes perfect.  I'm told anyone can do this
This is quite possibly the best advice anyone can give on these forums.
"Stick with it"... if you quit, you're guaranteeing that you'll *NEVER* do it.
And yes, *ANYONE* can do it.  ;)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 02, 2010, 19:47:42
Well said Xanth.

Its now taking me less than 10 minutes for my body to go into vibrations.  This is after only 3 days of trying.
So I'm quickly getting better at it. 

I still havent exited yet but I'm sure it wont be long now. 
I still find it a little scary, kinda like taking my first hit of LSD  :lol:

Here's a website of some guy who travelled to distant planets (or so he claims): http://www.soundcurrentrider.com/VisitedPlanets.html


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 02, 2010, 20:47:27
I have a question. How do you know when your really really close to exiting... like on the verge of it?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 02, 2010, 20:57:01
I have a question. How do you know when your really really close to exiting... like on the verge of it?
I dont know yet, I'll let you know when I do exit.

My first OBE was totally spontaneous, I never planned for it, it was a complete surprise.  
I'll never forget it though.  Its as real as me sitting here typing this right now.

They say when you're ready to exit you will somehow sense it


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 02, 2010, 21:00:01
When you try to ap/obe. Do you also get where everything is shaking?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 02, 2010, 21:08:26
When you try to ap/obe. Do you also get where everything is shaking?

Totally!!  I get sweaty too!

But I read this is normal and doesnt affect your physical body at all (READ:  you cant die or injure yourself).
I cant wait to do a (planned) Exit.  This stuff is cool!!   :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 02, 2010, 21:17:45
Crap I am having a serge of energy. :) makes me want to scream. ^^ yeah but schools is almost out and I am pumped to get this. There is so much that I want to do!!! ^^ I tell my friend every day that today will be the day I get it. I have been trying for... well for a couple or so weeks (have to find that one dream so I can use it to figure out when I started)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: 11_Chimp_11 on March 02, 2010, 22:26:47
I'm the same as you Fresco in that I get really close (vibes, shaking) and then freak out at the last minute (usually because it's dark)
I've been practicing nearly every afternoon and night for about 26 days using other methods but this post from PersonalReality has made all the difference for me.

Question: The other day I got the closest I'd ever been where I felt like I was covered in cling wrap and then noticed a wierd smell/taste at the height of it. I'm pretty sure it was the smell and taste of NOTHING (which we've never experienced in the physical before). When you think about it those senses are bombarded continually with all kinds of flavors every minute of every day, and when it's not there it's super noticeable.  Just a weird thing that I wasn't expecting. Can anyone else confirm this or am I hallucinating?



Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 03, 2010, 00:49:54
 :-D That was awesome. I can only imagine what it will be like when I actually exit. :):):):) It took me a little longer to start feeling the vibrations, but they were waaaay stronger. I do not think I am getting in the right state of mind though. ^^... also  while I was trying to ap I heard this weird clear whistle, right by my ear, it formed a short tune, but I did not hear it for long.... what was that?????


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Tiny on March 03, 2010, 13:25:59
Dear folks,

it must always be mentioned however,

that desire is one of the primary inhibitors!


We often attach ourselves to experiences because in our mind we remember them as pleasant, desiring to repeat them. This causes us to interfer the next time, instead of letting it happen and with force it can not work. Therefore, desire is a primary inhibitor.

He who realizes this soon enough can save himself a lot of frustration. I wish I had realized it earlier.


peace


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 03, 2010, 13:48:48
Thanks for this, I will keep it in mind when I try later on today and tonight


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 03, 2010, 15:20:36
I have said it before, I'll say it again.  I'm thrilled that the way I get out is helping so many. 

@ Anemani

The state of mind is the real sign that you're close to exit.  Being that you're relatively new to getting this close to projecting, you'll probably continue to feel strong exit sensations (energy rush, heavy vibes, tingling, heart center surge, rapid shallow breath, etc.) and in my experience these always end the attempt.  But, if you keep at it you'll develop the trance state more and you'll be able to achieve the proper level of trance.  Once you achieve the appropriate level of trance the sensations diminish.  You'll be told a lot that the more you practice the less intense the sensations are and that's true.  I think it's partially because you're becoming desensitized to them but I think that what's really happening is that you're understanding and achieving a state of trance that you weren't reaching before.  The big goal here is to shift awareness from your body to your mind as completely as possible.  It's the same for phasing as it is for the old style exit (in phasing though, you are "turning" your awareness rather than "pushing" it out of your body).  When you become so entranced with what's happening in your mind, you have almost no awareness of your body and so you don't feel any sensations.  It may be that the sensations are still there and you're just not aware of them (possibly, but I'm not so sure) or what I think is happening is that you have effectively "disconnected" from your brain/body and your consciousness is no longer sending signals to your body to tell it something strange is happening, something that shouldn't happen when you're awake.  (NOTE: I'm not saying that's it's unnatural to project from a waking state, I'm just saying that in your body/brain/ego's opinion it's misaligned with your typical experience.  Your body is habituated to projecting during sleep, but you have to get it used to the idea of doing it from a waking state)  What's probably happening is that you've successfully "copied" your consciousness into a form that is ready to project away from the body, but back on the body side of things, your normal consciousness is sleeping peacefully and so your body takes no notice of the fact that you just left.

So what are you going to feel at that magical moment?  Well, maybe nothing.  To be honest, the only way I know that it's time to project is when I wake (from a state of flickering consciousness, not from normal sleep) and feel that my consciousness has already started the transition and I feel myself already buzzing out.  At this point I just "push" myself the rest of the way out.  From here I have usually just managed to separate my awareness from existing solely in my body, but I'm not really out yet, I still need to do some kind of exit technique.  By this I don't mean the Rope or anything, I'm past that point.  This is where I roll-out, stand up, somersault backwards, or some other movement that will give me some forward momentum away from the body. 

I think the most important thing to notice in order to exit is what your consciousness feels like.  Do you feel fully aware?  Do you feel like you can pay attention to something (anything) or like you have enough awareness to do some method or technique?  Are you thinking at all?  Do you have enough awareness to say to yourself, "OK, I feel like I'm in the right place, let's try an exit technique now"?  If you answered yes to any of those then you're not there yet.  You want your mind to feel like it's pretty much asleep.  For example, yesterday I was doing some trance practice just to get into trance and stay in a single-minded state for as long as I could and at one point my awareness came back to a degree that I had some cognitive ability and I took a second to notice my body and see how it felt and I WAS SNORING!  It was the weirdest thing.  I was asleep but I was awake inside my body.  I mean talk about mind awake/body asleep!  I actually heard and felt myself snoring.  It kind of sucks because I've been telling my fiance for years that I don't snore.  What was funny was that I also felt a little furry body on my hand breathing (my cat, he likes to project with me) and he was snoring too, at almost the same rate as me!  :lol:  But you see my point.  You want to be in such a deep trance state that your cognitive function is pretty much gone.  It's hard to explain if you haven't felt it, but the closest approximation is when you wake up early in the morning (like 4am, hours before you have to get up) and you don't really do anything, you just notice that you're awake but aren't thinking about it.  There's no internal chatter saying, "hey, I'm awake, my feet are cold, I have to pee", you are just aware with no thoughts.  That's what you want to get to.  When you can get there intentionally, you will easily leave your body. 


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 03, 2010, 17:45:10
I have said it before, I'll say it again.  I'm thrilled that the way I get out is helping so many.  
And I thank you for it.
I bought that book "AP in 90 days", its 478 pages long, they couldve made it 1 page if they printed your method......LOL.

Has anyone else noticed you're a happier person after AP'ing??
I'm a bundle of joy to be around lately, always smiling, cracking jokes.....etc.  Not that I was depressing before I'm just a lot livelier.

Anyone else notice this??



Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: missym on March 03, 2010, 17:48:26
Has anyone else noticed you're a happier person after AP'ing??
I'm a bundle of joy to be around lately, always smiling, cracking jokes.....etc.  Not that I was depressing before I'm just a lot livelier.

Even though I have yet to have a successful AP, I'm a much lovelier person these days too.  :-)
Did you practice energy work before starting AP?
I never got into spirituality stuff until about 3 months ago, and since then my entire identity has changed... in a good way though.  :lol:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 03, 2010, 17:53:44
Did you practice energy work before starting AP?
I never got into spirituality stuff until about 3 months ago, and since then my entire identity has changed... in a good way though.  :lol:
I never even heard of energy work until last week, let alone practice it   :|


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: missym on March 03, 2010, 17:57:15
Are you a spiritual person?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 03, 2010, 18:13:38
Are you a spiritual person?
Very!

I always believed in God and the Bible.  No way life on earth formed by itself, and nobody is gonna tell me differently.
I always get a good laugh at atheists when they try to explain their half-baked theories on evolution and how it all started by itself :lol:

There's also evidence in the Bible of ancient prophets AP'ing.  Its in 2 Kings (Elisha)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 03, 2010, 18:41:14
Here's a good read on AP and the God-plane: http://www.soundcurrentrider.com/GodPlane.html


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 03, 2010, 19:12:22
I minored in religious studies for my undergraduate and i still take religious studies classes for the fun of it now and if there's one thing I've learned about Christianity, it's that people wrote the Bible and some one would do good to keep that in mind.  (I was raised southern baptist also)

People wrote all the spiritual texts of the world, that doesn't mean there aren't wise words in them.  But remember that these kinds of things are humans doing their best to describe in limited language something that is truly beyond words.

If you want the unabridged version of the old testament you can read ancient sumerian texts.  And some hindu ones.  Funny how those things just popped into Christian history.  Perhaps they all have more in common than we thought.

@ Fresco, I don't disagree that anti-theist explanations are a little lacking in substance, I mean...."BANG! ZAP! People!".  But sometimes, "I'll make light today, earth and sky tomorrow, then maybe some cute little animals, and in 5000 years some talking primates, LET MY WILL BE DONE! POOF" sounds a little ridiculous too.

Science is a religion all it's own.  I was speaking to another graduate psych student yesterday on campus and he made the point that in psychology we're good at the pre and post, we know when there's something wrong with you and we know when it's not wrong anymore, but as for how or why the treatment worked, we have no idea and we're not really gonna push the issue.  So I pointed out that a lot of religious traditions often have a similar perspective, we won't say why this practice works, but do it because we know that everything will be as it should be on the other side of the issue.  Yet scientists still worship their god, the scientific method and call all others false.  Kind of sounds like other types of folk I know.

Science thinks that it has separated itself from world religions by becoming objective, measurable, reproduce-able, but from a certain perspective, science is just as much superstition as all those "religions" they tried to distance themselves from.  The biggest reason is that they too are limited by their scale and position (how "big" they are and the perspective from which they view reality) and unfortunately they seem to think that they know it all (as compared to other traditions that they call superstitions, like religions).


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 03, 2010, 19:13:48
Also, I'm not saying that you can't have spirituality in religion, I think that's the silliest attempt at separation by "new agers" (no offense intended).  But there is a difference between carrying out your practice for spiritual pursuits and following dogma because you're told it's morally right and because your community does it.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 03, 2010, 19:40:15
@ Fresco, I don't disagree that anti-theist explanations are a little lacking in substance, I mean...."BANG! ZAP! People!".  But sometimes, "I'll make light today, earth and sky tomorrow, then maybe some cute little animals, and in 5000 years some talking primates, LET MY WILL BE DONE! POOF" sounds a little ridiculous too
Oh for sure PR, I totally agree.

I'll even go as far to say that God may very well have used evolution to create animals, plants and people.
I just cannot accept that life created itself somehow, it had to have had a "designer".  When you look at the complexity of the human body its inconceivable to think it just popped out of the ground by itself.

But did God use some kind of evolution process to , over millions of years, create life somehow??
Now thats something to ponder and think about


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 03, 2010, 19:49:56
I think the most important thing to notice in order to exit is what your consciousness feels like.  Do you feel fully aware?  Do you feel like you can pay attention to something (anything) or like you have enough awareness to do some method or technique?  Are you thinking at all?  Do you have enough awareness to say to yourself, "OK, I feel like I'm in the right place, let's try an exit technique now"?  If you answered yes to any of those then you're not there yet.  You want your mind to feel like it's pretty much asleep.  For example, yesterday I was doing some trance practice just to get into trance and stay in a single-minded state for as long as I could and at one point my awareness came back to a degree that I had some cognitive ability and I took a second to notice my body and see how it felt and I WAS SNORING!  It was the weirdest thing.  I was asleep but I was awake inside my body.  I mean talk about mind awake/body asleep!  I actually heard and felt myself snoring.  It kind of sucks because I've been telling my fiance for years that I don't snore.  What was funny was that I also felt a little furry body on my hand breathing (my cat, he likes to project with me) and he was snoring too, at almost the same rate as me!  :lol:  But you see my point.  You want to be in such a deep trance state that your cognitive function is pretty much gone.  It's hard to explain if you haven't felt it, but the closest approximation is when you wake up early in the morning (like 4am, hours before you have to get up) and you don't really do anything, you just notice that you're awake but aren't thinking about it.  There's no internal chatter saying, "hey, I'm awake, my feet are cold, I have to pee", you are just aware with no thoughts.  That's what you want to get to.  When you can get there intentionally, you will easily leave your body. 
when I go to my sisters house. I sleep in her living room and then later they come in in the morning and I will be half awake half asleep having a dream, but knowing I am awake and hearing the sounds around me. I once was like this having a dream and I told myself I needed to remember what was happening in the dream, later I woke up fully and was a little confused and could not remember what I had told myself to remember. I was a little mad, because I told myself it was important. -.-... but I think that the state I was in at that time was very close to what you are describing, but not close enough... I have been in that state a couple of times ^^".... the first time was on my first or second try and I did not have a clue what to do and I just fully woke myself up.. but it was like I did not really hear anything like my fan or the train that goes by not to far from where I live. And I was aware, like you said, but not really thinking, which is very strange, since I have a brain that loves to think... -.- I wish I had known at the time, but I am glad I know now


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 03, 2010, 19:56:36
Very!

I always believed in God and the Bible.  No way life on earth formed by itself, and nobody is gonna tell me differently.
I always get a good laugh at atheists when they try to explain their half-baked theories on evolution and how it all started by itself :lol:

There's also evidence in the Bible of ancient prophets AP'ing.  Its in 2 Kings (Elisha)
Oh yeah, I believe that is true! :D -.- biology class makes me mad, we have to learn that everything comes from a small  bacteria and evolved until boom there goes a human...


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 03, 2010, 20:07:10
If you want the unabridged version of the old testament you can read ancient sumerian texts.  And some hindu ones.  Funny how those things just popped into Christian history.  Perhaps they all have more in common than we thought.
Hum I think a guest preacher we had recently, actually read some of the those texts, but I am unsure. ^^ man was that preacher very different
from the rest.
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Science
For some reason I am very good at this. I do not study or pay attention during this class in school, but I have maintained an A average. I did have a 100, but I sort did not do all of my work. In fact I would be in advance classes, had I actually did my work all the previous years.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 03, 2010, 20:11:41
Also, I'm not saying that you can't have spirituality in religion, I think that's the silliest attempt at separation by "new agers" (no offense intended).  But there is a difference between carrying out your practice for spiritual pursuits and following dogma because you're told it's morally right and because your community does it.
I have to do this in secret. I can not be open about it, because my parents would not understand and I would get in trouble...  ^^ so I am sort of the oddball


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 03, 2010, 20:21:29
I have to do this in secret. I can not be open about it, because my parents would not understand and I would get in trouble...  ^^ so I am sort of the oddball
You have to do what in secret??  AP'ing??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 03, 2010, 20:40:12
Yep. ^^" heh heh. I can only be open about on here and with my friend


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 03, 2010, 20:41:56
Yep. ^^" heh heh. I can only be open about on here and with my friend
Are you parents fundamentalist Christians??  Muslims??  What are they??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 03, 2010, 20:45:18
Pentecostal so am I but I am more understanding about things because of the way I grew up. I was not always Pentecostal though.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 03, 2010, 20:59:44
I wanted to bring the shaking part back up.  :lol:
When I get to this point, the shaking does not feel like it is my body that is doing so, but more of my mind. It is weird and I hope I am explaining this right. Is this when you are very close to exited? like you should be able to do it then?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 03, 2010, 21:23:19
I'm secure in my search and it just upsets me terribly when I have to hear from a fellow human being that they are afraid to practice what they want because they will be reprimanded or punished and that they think they are weird because of it.  You are not weird, you are a pioneer of your generation, you have the right to be secure in your search for meaning, and damn anyone who tells you otherwise.  I don't care what you do, so long as you have a genuine interest in your experience of life you do whatever you have to do in order to feel that. But don't ever tell you neighbor that the way they "touch God" is wrong. EVER. And don't ever let anyone make you feel weird for expressing your quest for the mystery.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 03, 2010, 21:45:32
Pentecostal so am I but I am more understanding about things because of the way I grew up. I was not always Pentecostal though.
If your parents ever do give you a hard time for AP'ing remind them of 2 Kings and the story of Elisha who was AP'ing himself. 
Unless they feel Elisha is spending eternity in hell right now for it, something I dont believe btw


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 03, 2010, 21:50:58
Here's a good article on heaven & hell: http://www.spiritual-experiences.com/articles-spirituality/heaven-hell.php


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 03, 2010, 22:18:55
Thank you both. ^^


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: missym on March 03, 2010, 22:21:15
I always believed in God and the Bible.  No way life on earth formed by itself, and nobody is gonna tell me differently.
I always get a good laugh at atheists when they try to explain their half-baked theories on evolution and how it all started by itself

lol, I'm an evolutionist, but still believe that the 'higher power' created the first cell from which we all began, and we were gifted with abilities (imagination, desire, consciousness).
I wouldn't go so far as to call the atheists theory 'half-baked'(just because somebody might be offended at the term - even though this forum generally follows the belief of surviving the physical death)... although I don't buy it either. :wink:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: missym on March 03, 2010, 22:23:38
PR, while meditating/practicing AP, does it suddenly look like somebody lit a lighbulb right in front of your eyes?
I've been doing a variation of your method for awhile, and at the point where I'm just about asleep everything turns bright red behind my eyes.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 03, 2010, 22:31:20
No, but that's not to say it's not relevant or important.  I have noticed that kind of thing though when I hear loud noises.  I don't really react to them, but a light flashes in my eyes every time.  (not astral noises, but like the cat knocking something over)

Anemani,

I haven't heard anyone describe the sensation as shaking before.

Do you feel like your body is swaying or do you feel like you're vibrating or buzzing?

Either way it can be a sensation associated with exiting, only the difference is where in the exit you are.  If it's buzzing then you're in the process of exiting.  If it's swaying then that's your "energy body" starting to loosen up and you're close to moving out, you just need to focus your consciousness down to almost nothing, to where you're almost asleep.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 03, 2010, 22:38:43
I feel the vibrations and then my body feels like I have just been shifted up. that is usually where it stops, but there where times that after that I start to feel like my mind is shaking yet it feels more physical and not in my head... but in my mind... @.@ if that makes sense.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 03, 2010, 23:04:03
My theory is that you feel the buzzing as you move from physical to non-physical, because you have nothing concrete/stable to focus on in-between, so you perceive the shifting energy (and energy moves in waves at particular frequencies).  If you have felt the buzzing, maybe you feel it increase then you feel/hear a pop, then feel like you're rising or floating but not going anywhere else, at that point you just need to roll over or somersault and you're out.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 03, 2010, 23:28:52
My theory is that you feel the buzzing as you move from physical to non-physical, because you have nothing concrete/stable to focus on in-between, so you perceive the shifting energy (and energy moves in waves at particular frequencies).  If you have felt the buzzing, maybe you feel it increase then you feel/hear a pop, then feel like you're rising or floating but not going anywhere else, at that point you just need to roll over or somersault and you're out.
How long does it usually take you from the time you start till the time you exit??
One hour?? 2 hours?? Longer??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 03, 2010, 23:56:19
It's odd, it takes almost exactly 1 1/2 hours everytime.  I lay down at say 5:00pm and I'm up by 6:30, like clockwork.

As for how long it takes to get from laying down to exit, I couldn't tell you.  I don't know how long the projections really last.  I mean if the time were the same I would say I've been out of the body max 5 minutes (in astral time).  So if it carries over, then it takes me 1 hr and 25 minutes to get out.  I'm not so sure it works like that though.



Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 04, 2010, 00:05:32
O.O that was weird. I felt like my body was lifted just a bit above me and I could not really feel (I was kind of hurting, but it stopped)... well i tried to do a to roll out, but it did not work, so i thought maybe I am not ready.. but then I decided to try and lift up my hand. When I did  I felt this strong tingling sensation and I was moving my hand very slowly... It felt like my hand was still on my bed, but at the same not. I jumped up and the feeling went away O.O I have no clue if I was doing anything or just moving my physical hand..... but it felt extremely weird!!! My body feel cool right now, especially my hands.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: missym on March 04, 2010, 01:19:36
When I did  I felt this strong tingling sensation and I was moving my hand very slowly... It felt like my hand was still on my bed, but at the same not

I get this all the time! At the same time this happens, it feels like my face is going inside of the bed, it's really amazing. Although I don't know exactly what this is, I'm hoping it's progress! :lol:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 04, 2010, 02:16:09
Another interesting side-effect of AP'ing is I'm seeing light and colors much brighter


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 04, 2010, 03:48:31
I can not wait until I start up again. I want to see how far I can go. ^^ I am not afraid to do it I just get to excited and start flipping out over the small stuff. ^^"
lol I have not been seeing lights in brighter colors, but I have had some pretty weird dreams.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Tiny on March 04, 2010, 04:22:27
I can not wait until I start up again. I want to see how far I can go. ^^ I am not afraid to do it I just get to excited and start flipping out over the small stuff. ^^"
lol I have not been seeing lights in brighter colors, but I have had some pretty weird dreams.

i like your avatar, wondering if that would be you when coming out of the body.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Purusha on March 04, 2010, 04:54:37
This is very interesting.

I have had 'sleep paralysis' many times, as a child, and onwards. Basically, I would be lying in bed and without falling asleep simply find myself unable to move my body in what looks like my room, though usually some things are a little different. When in this state lying on my bed, I hear the OOMMMMMMM, the loud ringing, and what feels like vibrations or buzzing as you say running throughout my body. In this state I have experimented. I have found that 'relaxing' and sort of just sinking into the vibrations (they actually can feel quite pleasant), the vibrations will increase and the ringing will get very very loud. This usually disconcerts me and then I will myself to wake up (a task very difficult when younger). I have tried to go out before, but usually the vibrations and ringing just gets very loud and then I cannot relax anymore though from reading what you said I realize I was actually focusing on the feelings in the body. So I will have to try differently next time. Either way, I could definitely see this working... to tell you the truth, I usually fear this state because of how scary it was when I was a kid experiencing lying in bed in a paralyzed body with nightmare forms playing around the room. I become stronger however, and I believe I could try this. Thanks for sharing.  :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 04, 2010, 05:17:14
i like your avatar, wondering if that would be you when coming out of the body.
I have no clue. I will tell you when I get out. I half to calm myself down right now. ^^" to excited and it is not working for me because of that at all basically. Someone did tell me one of my spirit animals was a wolf, but I have not met any of them, They said it was a grayish white.

I used to have this reoccurring nightmare in which I was laying flat on my back. My vision was blurry around the edges of my eyes and all I could see in front of my eyesight was white like from a ceiling. I was full conscious during the dream and realized that I could not move. I tried so hard and I could feel my body jerking but it was like it could not do what I was commanding it to, so I would try to scream for help, but my screams were on the inside since I could not even move my mouth. After a while my body would finally jerk and start moving. The position I woke up in was the same one from the dream and I would sit up and start crying. Then I would calm down try to go back to sleep, once it almost happened twice, but my alarm went off before it started. ^^ I hated that dream so much, not being able to move and desperately trying to get myself awake. It was like I was trapped.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 04, 2010, 11:47:49
However, I can now AP regularly at will.  By at will I mean that every time I lay down to do my practice I AP.  I can't just stand up and say "AP!" and poof I'm out of my body.  But any time I lay down I can get out, provided I practice under the right conditions.  I have tried to AP a couple times with adverse outcomes, but I really should have known better than to practice then anyway, I was really sore, tired, and my mind was really fatigued.  It's not really that hard once you get the hang of it. 

Can you project into the real time zone at will?

If so we should try projecting at the same time to see if we can see each other.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 04, 2010, 12:13:14
Can you project into the real time zone at will?

If so we should try projecting at the same time to see if we can see each other.
I was wondering this also, if you're with your girlfriend in the same room AP'ing at the same time, can you then talk to each other while you're both AP'ing??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 04, 2010, 12:17:20
None of my girlfriends can AP...  :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 04, 2010, 13:50:31
Has anyone else been getting chills just whenever since starting this? I keep getting them randomly.
*edit: Also is there anyway to make you mind drift away? ^^" I could not do it last night, because my mind just would not shut up. if you know what I mean.
Oh and I decided when I woke up and after I got fully ready for school to try and ap. Well I was too tired so I rolled over on my side ^^"  After a few minutes my mind began to drift off, so I was half awake and half asleep. I was not even trying to ap and the I started to the trance. vibrations and my body felt like it was floating... but as I said I was too tired, so I was sort of ignoring it and fell asleep.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 04, 2010, 21:55:07
Has anyone else been getting chills just whenever since starting this? I keep getting them randomly.
I get those sometimes also. 
I heard thats your 3rd eye thats woken up and remaining somewhat active even when you're not AP'ing.

How long from the moment you start shaking is it to your exit (roughly)??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 04, 2010, 22:35:56
I have not exited yet but the shaking will come after the vibrations and floating feeling, which is about 30-40 mins I believe.... from the moment I start to the time that I stop trying.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 04, 2010, 22:58:18
I have not exited yet but the shaking will come after the vibrations and floating feeling, which is about 30-40 mins I believe.... from the moment I start to the time that I stop trying.
You are at the exact same point as me then.  I'm still too chicken to exit, but I gotten to the shaking part now.
But thats when I stop.  Its still babysteps for me right now, no need to rush into this.

It only takes me 15 to 20 minutes to start shaking though, I'm told I have a knack for AP'ing


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 04, 2010, 23:22:54
It takes me about 10-15 mins to start feeling the vibrations and floating feeling.. :lol: but then the whole drifting away part is what takes up most of the time ^^ I really have am having trouble with that


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 05, 2010, 00:15:51
I think my body is fighting it or something. I think I was closer this time, but my body would twitch as I started to feel like I was going higher. my head started to hurt too, but not much.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 05, 2010, 00:18:43
I think my body is fighting it or something. I think I was closer this time, but my body would twitch as I started to feel like I was going higher. my head started to hurt too, but not much.
Stick with it, even if it takes a year or two.  
I was told once you break the barrier for the first time it becomes easier with every AP after that.

I'm not gonna quit till I exit, even if that takes 10 years


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 05, 2010, 01:07:38
T.T I was so close... so close!!!  :cry: why did my brother have to come in and mess it all up!!! T.T


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Purusha on March 05, 2010, 02:24:30
To keep your motivation going I recommend adding some other things to your routine/ spiritual or mystical practices.. however you see these things.

One thing to have some fun with while trying this, which is easy to do is lucid dream. Just start keeping a dream journal which is quite necessary for both APing and lucid dreaming, and affirm to yourself before you sleep you will recognize that you are dreaming when you are in a dream. You can also use other techniques such as throughout the day checking to see if you're dreaming. This obviously isn't for your benefit during the day however when you are in a dream, by virtue of creating that habit you will also check in your dream if you are dreaming and then become lucid. Lucid dreaming is quite unbelievable. It feels like you beat the system...

Also, I recommend meditating.

For some reason I just got the urge to mention these things even though you have problem heard them before. Peace.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 05, 2010, 02:47:58
 :-D Yep I have heard them, and I have been keeping a journal several months now, but I have only had one full lucid dream where I was in control of myself. I could not change the things around my and I had to walk everywhere, which was a pain. There was a moment that I forgot I was dreaming and thought I was really going to miss my bus (I did in the dream, but I would have missed my bus if I did not wake myself) I thought to myself at the end of the dream, ah crap. I really need to wake up now, hopefully i have not really missed my bus. It was pretty cool. I tried talking to someone in my lucid dream, but he just kept running looking straight forward, but not at anything and he said that he could not help me that he was busy (this is just before I remembered I was dreaming).. ^^ Yeah but it is actually a pretty long dream.
As for meditation, well I only successfully done that once (unless trying to ap is counted) I meditated for like 10 mins (not much I know) lol


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 05, 2010, 14:24:10
I'm now at the point at night where my body constantly wants to AP while I'm trying to get to sleep.
A little annoying, I have to keep telling my body to go to sleep and not OBE.  I also take melatonin now or I wont sleep at all


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 05, 2010, 14:55:13
I am having trouble getting into the trance state at night. I almost fell asleep and that is what triggered it for me, but then not to long after I really did fall asleep. I think that I got up during the night also.. I can barely remember it, but I woke up with my blankets on me and I did not fall asleep that way. I guess I got up and pulled them over me. ^^" can`t really sleep without them. I am extremely tired *yawns*


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 05, 2010, 15:21:44
I'm gonna try to exit via the "Rope Technique": http://www.realmagick.com/articles/03/1003.html

This article claims it should take no longer than 15 minutes


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 05, 2010, 15:33:02
I have sort of tried this one also. ^^" maybe I am not far enough along to project? Have you seen through your astral eyes? if so what does it look like?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 05, 2010, 17:08:25
Kurt,

I don't think I'm projecting to RTZ.  I posted this under the topic "Dream painted projection" the other day.  When I project, it comes at the end of a cycle of short sleeping then waking, then sleeping, waking, and so on.  What seems to be happening is over the course of these cycles I have dreams.  It's odd because one dream will start and then I'll wake and it will stop, then I'll go back to sleep and the dream will pick up where it left off.  Then, when I project I am in the dream environment!  Usually the environment is like a snap-shot of the last thing I remember from the dream, nothing is moving, just me.  Because I'm so new to getting out successfully I keep getting stuck in this "dream" environment.  Imagination trap or something.  Someone commented to me the other day (maybe CFT or Grey) that it's probably an astral environment and if I just fly straight up I should be able to "break-out" of it.  I intend to try it soon but the past week has been bad for projection for me.  I've been sleep deprived and over-worked.  Every time I lay down to project I fall asleep in like 10 minutes.  Hopefully today will break this pattern.  It's my birthday and I took the day off of work so I could sleep in and regenerate and take a good stab at it.

So, what I think is going on is that I'm priming my consciousness with what seems to it to be an intention of destination through my dreams.  Therefore, I think I'm projecting straight to an astral environment.  I don't know.  I'm still working on my astral theory and the dynamics of actual movement and interaction while projecting.  I can't seem to do much but fly around "my house" (never looks like my house), maybe up in the air a bit.  But it never pans out to anything because I get distracted and the next thing I know I'm back in my body.  I need more practice.  However, once I gain some stability I would very much like to try to set up a RTZ meetup.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 05, 2010, 17:11:45
My guess would be that your energy body doesn't have enough energy to punch through the astral and get into the RTZ. The RTZ/4th density level is at a higher vibrational frequency than the astral plane and requires you to raise your energy to a higher level. Once you do get there you will be able to remember the 'feeling' of how your energy body is and be able to project there at will.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 05, 2010, 17:21:23
Will doing normal energy work raise it enough, or is it something that will just have to come from continued projection (as I assume doing AP naturally raises energy).


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 05, 2010, 17:44:48
Couldnt you get energy from an outside source in order to get you in to the RTZ?
:) I can not wait until I get out into the astral! I would like to meet people and look up some places and what not. ^^ especially explore.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 05, 2010, 18:15:53
Will doing normal energy work raise it enough, or is it something that will just have to come from continued projection (as I assume doing AP naturally raises energy).

You may have to spend a little more time raising your energy. It's tough to do without crystals and all the stuff I use. It used to take me about 60 minutes to raise my energy naturally. Now I just power up my generators and the energy flows like a river.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 05, 2010, 20:12:20
You may have to spend a little more time raising your energy. It's tough to do without crystals and all the stuff I use. It used to take me about 60 minutes to raise my energy naturally. Now I just power up my generators and the energy flows like a river.
Where can I buy these crystals??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 05, 2010, 20:14:22
eBay


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 05, 2010, 20:28:33
eBay
Can you post a link to some of the better vendors??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 05, 2010, 20:37:04
There are a lot of good ones. Just look through a bunch and try and use your instincts to pick ones that you like.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 05, 2010, 20:45:40
What do you do with these crystals? Do you have to have a special type or something?
I have a phosphate crystal and a clear crystal (I do not know what it is called) ^^ but I like like my phosphate, it is a pretty color. I had to get, so my momma bought it for me oh and I has some rocks to. I found some fools gold a while back and I also got this pretty rock looking thing called peacock copper. Oh and then I have one of those rock thingies that look like metal and are shiny and get really cold.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 05, 2010, 20:51:47
I just collect em cause they look perty.  :lol:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 05, 2010, 20:52:24
There are a lot of good ones. Just look through a bunch and try and use your instincts to pick ones that you like.
And then what do you do with the crystal??  Place it in the room??  Wear it around your neck??

Sorry to ask so many questions Kurt, but us noobies are trying to pick your brain  :lol:
(I dont mean literally pick your brain in astral planes)  :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 05, 2010, 20:57:51
I started my collection of rocks when I was a little kid. I would pick my favorite one and carry it around with me off and on. I remember finding this one rock that was a red color. I hid it so I could come back to it later, but I could not find where I had hid it. I spent days looking for that rock, but never could find it, ^^ lol I thought I had imagined it all up and the rock was never there....


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 05, 2010, 21:01:26
(http://static.squidoo.com/resize/squidoo_images/80/lm1a1511d5990e2e17ea1f03841236621d_1211986137lepricon2.jpg)

Lepricon's love to hide people's things, especially fancy rocks and crystals. Then you have to hide their lucky charms but that only makes them hide more of your stuff!  :-o


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 05, 2010, 21:04:20
rotflma!!! XD looks like I am going to  go leprechaun hunting. (I will lure them out with some lucky charms I stole from them a while back).. I only hope I did not eat them all


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 06, 2010, 12:54:19
Anemani,

That's kind of what I do for a living (not hiding stones or hunting leprechauns, working in a metaphysical shop selling crystals).  I know a lot about crystals and what kinds you can use.  Kurt utilizes a fundamental principle of both magickal practice and crystals.  I'll explain briefly....

The way magick spellwork is achieved is through the implementation of emotional energy and this is done with crystals by programming them.  Kurt does this with his devices, and I don't even begin to pretend that I understand how his devices work.  But they utilize the characteristic of crystals being programmable.  So essentially what he does is amplifies the programming capabilities of crystals.  However, you can do achieve a similar effect (though slower I would assume) without the devices.  The goal is to create a memory of a physical/emotional state (how it actually feels) and then program that feeling into the crystal so that it can be used to amplify that feeling later.

This brings me to a definition of magickal practice that makes it easier to understand for people who are a bit skeptical or freaked out by that word.  Magick is simple really, it's a consciousness technology that takes advantage of natural laws not recognized by mainstream science.  So what Kurt does (while he may not call it this) technically falls into what I'm calling magick.  By the way, if you haven't looked at Kurt's website and seen what he does you should check it out, it's amazing stuff (look at his signature bar). 

If you utilize affirmations you are practicing a basic form of magick.  More advanced practices might put that affirmation to work on a candle of a particular color and combining it with essential oils, herbs, glitter of another color, etc.  or, as I posted in the Magick section, that affirmation might be formed into a Sigil.

To apply this to crystal work, when you get a new crystal you first cleanse it (i like sage smudging, but you can put it in salt water over night, or run it under water and put a few drops of citrus oil on it, OR the most effective way is by focusing your emotional energy on the crystal with the intention of cleaning it) to remove and clinging energy left by others who have touched it.  After you cleanse it, you dedicate it, just hold it and say that you're using it with benevolent intentions.  Finally, the part we're talking about, you program it.  This can be done by holding the crystal in your hands and bringing up the emotional feeling/memory and while feeling it (as intensely as possible) try to speak the energy into an intention.  For example, in this scenario, hold it and feel the sensations you associate with energy raising (which can be tough but if you learn the mental action that you do to generate the sensation during practice that's all you need to remember), when I do it, I actually use my attention to stimulate my hands (like RB teaches) and make my intention something like, "Assist me in intensifying, enhancing, and increasing the frequency of my energy system".  Then anytime you do energy work hold the crystal so it will help.

When I get to work today I'll give you a list of crystals and their properties that are useful in AP, energy work, and psychic development.  The main crystal you should get though is Quartz.  Quartz is like a blank slate, it's job is to amplify whatever you ask it too.  Every crystal or gemstone has properties that make it unique from it's brethren, but Quartz is the "most important" crystal one should have.  Everyone should have a piece.  I'll tell you more about it and others later.

Also, do a google search for metaphysical shops or crystal dealers in your city.  There is almost always a store in someone's city that has this kind of stuff.  You can of course order them online, but it's always better to get your crystals in person if you can.  Crystals have a consciousness of their own and some say they pick you.  So being there and touching them and looking at them can draw you to a particular one that may be more attuned with your energy.

More later.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 06, 2010, 16:17:09
^^  Thanks AP, I'll look into that.

I almost exited last night.  Close but no cigar.  I'm getting closer though.
I also noticed there's a lot of magnetic gravity holding your exit back


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 06, 2010, 18:35:19
For those in the Toronto area, I found this place that sells crystals and other goodies: http://www.gemcapital.ca/quartz/quartzhealing.html

I'm gonna go check them out next week  :-P


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 06, 2010, 19:38:39
^^ I am at my friends house and I was I was looking at what I already have before I came. I picked my quartz crystal out. I have had it for a few years now.  I do not know. ^^ I just have liked rocks and gems since I was a kid.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 06, 2010, 19:57:49
Personalreality does a good job explaining everything. If I try to explain it people usually just get confused.  :-D

I have written many different thought based energy programs for crystals. I'm actually putting together another website with my group that describes the many various programs and what they do. The site is called CrystalWarriors.com and will teach others how to use crystals to fight demons, astral project, explore the higher dimensions, heal people, create shields, lucid dream, etc. 


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 06, 2010, 20:47:05
lol Everyone can easily confuse me. ^^"
my friend mentined to me that he was working with crystal healing or something like that. So I guess that is what he was talking about?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 06, 2010, 22:29:14
While experimenting with all the crazy technology I have been developing, I have had my body filled with so much energy that it feels like i'm going to explode. All my chakras will fill up with with energy and then my sub-naval storage center will fill up. Then, unless you outflow the energy directly from your chakras out of your body you will have headaches / stomach aches for a long time. This is where I use my Lemurian Crystals.

I'm able to take the access energy and flow it out of my energy body through my arms / hands into the crystals and save the energy for later when I run out, then the pain goes away. When I run out of energy I'll hold the crystals in my hands and absorb the energy back into my body and it feels like a drank 10 cups of coffee.  :-D

This all might sound pretty crazy and if you would have told me a year ago that I would be absorbing energy from crystals I wouldn't have believed it!  :lol:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 06, 2010, 22:42:22
-.- I need to learn how to do that. ^^


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 06, 2010, 23:04:20
XD I started to feel a little light headed and I thought for no reason, so I thought it may have been the crystal, but then I look down at my arm and realized that I had a robber band on it. I take it off and well now there is a deep redish ring around my arm from the rubber band. Problem solved. ^^" arm hurts a bit now


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 07, 2010, 02:57:28
I'm at the point now where I can open my eyes during the vibrations for a few seconds, then close them again and pick up right where I left off.  Pretty cool.

Also if anyone has any good links for meditation trance music audio then please post them.
I checked some torrent sites but they're confusing because they contain music from some Israeli band called 'Astral Projection'


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 07, 2010, 14:53:31
I tried to ap last night using the binaural beats last night, but it was too cold. I do not even think I got much sleep last night


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 07, 2010, 15:16:35
I tried to ap last night using the binaural beats last night, but it was too cold. I do not even think I got much sleep last night
If you cant sleep because your body wants to AP, try not sleeping on your back, only on your sides.  the body seems to wanna enter OBE much easier when you sleep on your back


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 07, 2010, 15:22:46
^^ I was rolled up in a tight  ball. I usually sleep in the fetal position


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 08, 2010, 02:55:01
It seems as though I am not getting further along at all. I do not get the vibrations anymore, instead it feels like I can feel my pulse throughout my whole body. I also do not get the floating feeling really, or it takes a very long time to do so and by then I have to move because I can not sit still any much longer. My arms will also begin to hurt a little (especially my right) and I can not seem to get into the right state of mind. When I get close, I will just get back to normal and then have to try to let my mind drift again. I also tried to do what you said with the crystal, but I have no clue what I am really doing and the binaural beats help keep still longer, but my they kind of annoy me and screw with my ears when I turn it off. I do not know what to do, still going to keep trying though.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 08, 2010, 15:05:58
Dont give up....ever!!

Quitters never win and winners never quit


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 08, 2010, 15:36:45
I am going to keep on trying until I get there. ^^ I am not afraid either, just very excited.... I have a question. Do you know anything about orb like things?  I saw two a month or so back. They were pretty big and in the sky and they where white. One was bright and moved fast the other was dull and moved slow. They both appeared in the same general area on cloudless day and I was the only one who could see them. And then they short of faded away. I have not seen any since, but I have been curious about them and wondering why I have not been able to see anymore


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 08, 2010, 15:40:09
Most orbs are 'ghosts' ^^ or the chakras of people that are now in the other dimensions. How big were the white orbs you saw?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 08, 2010, 15:46:49
I have no clue they both appeared  in the sky at a distance above the trees. I could not figure out they size, but imagine a balloon  blown up to a good size and then letting it go. It floats up about 30 ft or so. what you see the balloon size as from there is about the size of the orbs but further off and high in the air I guess


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 08, 2010, 15:56:29
Maybe it was a weather balloon.

(http://www.learner.org/courses/essential/physicalsci/images/s7.weather_balloon.jpg)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 08, 2010, 16:07:34
Kurt, do you use a headrest when AP'ing??  Or do you just keep your body straight at a 90 degree angle??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 08, 2010, 16:19:10
I usally have my iPod playing with my little iHome player. But then other entities will try talking to me and I usually turn down the music so that I can hear them better. And my chair probably keeps my back at about 75 degrees.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 08, 2010, 16:31:48
I usally have my iPod playing with my little iHome player. But then other entities will try talking to me and I usually turn down the music so that I can hear them better. And my chair probably keeps my back at about 75 degrees.
But you dont lean the back of your head against a wall or headrest, right??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 08, 2010, 16:41:58
My head is not supported by anything.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 08, 2010, 16:43:42
My head is not supported by anything.
OK thanx, that means I'm doing it right then  :wink:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 08, 2010, 16:46:11
Nope It did not look like that and besides it was not going up it was going to the side, like a plane.
(http://www.shot-net.com/ParanormalTrax/rosewood.orb.15.jpg)
sort of looked like this, but bigger and one was wayyyy  brighter, very beautiful. the other was dull. and no one could see it but me... I tried to right it off as something like a plane, but it was not the shape at all, it disappeared into thin air and it came out of no where. The only reason I saw it was because I was staring off at the sky thinking and then I saw it. I looked at for a second turn away, looked again and then pointed it out. The other people called me crazy and said that there was nothing there, then they said maybe it is a star. which I pointed out to them it could not be a star or they would have seen it themselves (plus it was way too bright for any stars and stars are not that big)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 08, 2010, 23:50:04
Once we're all capable of exiting we should have an astral meeting between all of us.  That be cool.
We could meet at an astral strip joint and have a few astral beers  :evil:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 09, 2010, 00:11:17
O.O but my little mind is not ready for that. lol ^^ but a meet up would be cool. I was just trying to AP again and I had my eyes open after a while of laying there, but did not realize it until they started to close  :lol: I did not even know I had opened them. When I decided to stop geez was there a bad taste in my mouth -.-  I think my progress was better than last night, woot woot


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 09, 2010, 00:12:37
O.O but my little mind is not ready for that. lol ^^ but a meet up would be cool. I was just trying to AP again and I had my eyes open after a while of laying there, but did not realize it until they started to close  :lol: I did not even know I had opened them. When I decided to stop geez was there a bad taste in my mouth -.-  I think my progress was better than last night, woot woot
Are you getting to the point where the vibrations are steadily getting worse (with worse I mean better)??!!


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 09, 2010, 00:20:47
I do not really feel the vibrations anymore. If you find your pulse on you neck and feel it, that is what I feel except a bit stronger. Then after that my legs and my arms start to feel like they are being poked with needles (like when you foot or hand starts to fall asleep), but not really like vibrations. (or at least what I had been feeling)  :cry: I miss the vibrations


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 09, 2010, 00:45:52
I do not really feel the vibrations anymore. If you find your pulse on you neck and feel it, that is what I feel except a bit stronger. Then after that my legs and my arms start to feel like they are being poked with needles (like when you foot or hand starts to fall asleep), but not really like vibrations. (or at least what I had been feeling)  :cry: I miss the vibrations
Wow, thats weird  :?

I'm the exact opposite my vibrations are getting more and more violent (with violent I mean stronger in a good way).


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 09, 2010, 00:57:37
Yeah, I wonder why things have changed, it seemed to be going so well not that many days ago.  :?
Well I was just focusing on the ringing in my ear and the it sort of went away for a split second before coming back a bit higher pitched. ^^ I had to stop short because my foots what got itchy. I tried to sit it out, but it was like torture and I had to itch it.  :lol:
How are you coming along?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 09, 2010, 01:43:28
How are you coming along?
I'm doing the babysteps method.  Each day I do my trance and vibrations a bit longer.
This morning I did it for 20 min.  Tomorrow I'll do 25 min.  The next day half an hour, and so on and so on until I exit.

My vibes are getting more and more intense though, so thats progress  :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 09, 2010, 01:49:18
I do not know if what I have planned will work, but I am going to keep my eyes open and focus on moving my hand out.... I wonder if I get it out if I can pull the rest of me out.  :-D I was just trying that a bit ago and it helps to make sure I am not moving my physical hand. My vision started to go white form staring so long  :lol: ^^ if this works I will call Anemani`s technique, get one hand out and pull the rest of you out! my brother inturupted me thats why I did not get to see if it worked


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 09, 2010, 01:57:11
There was an old (Monroe) technique where your goal was to "reach out to the vibrations" and pull them back to your body.  But what you were really doing was "grabbing vibrations" and pulling yourself out of your body to them.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 09, 2010, 01:58:14
I use full head support.  Actually I lay in my bed.  I used to use an upright chair, but now I use my bed with full head and neck support.  It has been a lot easier for me this way.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 09, 2010, 02:10:46
There was an old (Monroe) technique where your goal was to "reach out to the vibrations" and pull them back to your body.  But what you were really doing was "grabbing vibrations" and pulling yourself out of your body to them.
Well I would give that a try, but I do not feel the vibrations anymore  :lol:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 09, 2010, 02:57:19
I never felt them like that either, it seemed a bit whacky, but it was essentially the point-shift method. 

I stopped feeling vibes a long time ago, but I feel buzzing now.  It feels different.  I buzz when I actually move from in body to out of body.

I would say you're doing well.



Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 09, 2010, 03:08:29
Really?  :-o I was beginning to worry that I was going backwards instead of forward. I hope that I am getting closer. lol I was talking to myself half an hour ago saying. Tonight I am going to AP. That`s right watch out cuz I am coming. *blushes* I was getting really pumped up then I went back to what I was doing and started to see... how do I describe this.. ^^ well lets just say it looked like a bunch of sparkles where dance across my eyes. I looked around to see if they would go away and closed and opened my eyes but they went away on their own time. Was this just an eye trick?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 09, 2010, 03:28:05
I read in a book tonight that the vibrations are supposed to go away after 20 to 40 minutes (sometimes earlier).
The vibes are actually part of OBE and not astral projection


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 09, 2010, 03:29:32
What is the difference from OBE and AP?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 09, 2010, 03:50:40
What is the difference from OBE and AP?
I only had an OBE but no AP yet, but from what I read an OBE simply means you hover a few feet outside your body.
An AP means a much advanced stage of OBE involving travelling to different astral planes.

Think of it being at an airport.  While you take off in the plane looking back at the runway, thats would be an OBE.
But a few hours on your plainride flying over a carribean paradise island would be the AP.

Best I can describe it anyways


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 09, 2010, 03:58:45
Oh I see.  :| lol I have had neither.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 09, 2010, 05:42:03
So, when I go to these higher dimensional planes that aren't in the astral am I still astral projecting? I guess not, my group calls it remote extension or density travel but I think astral projection sounds cool anyways!  :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 09, 2010, 15:25:10
I fell asleep trying to AP again :lol: I woke up though like at 2 in the morning, because I was on my back and I was going to turn on my side in my sleep and got tangled up in my headphone cords. ^^ I thought well this is a great opportunity to try again and I lay on my back and instantly fell back to sleep. ^^ and then I had "another" creepy dream -.-


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 09, 2010, 16:35:13
I did 32 minutes of trance today, the shaking comes in waves and I'm getting progressively lighter as time goes on.
With lighter I mean I dont feel my arms and legs hardly anymore.

Also the inside of my closed eyes seem to get (slightly) brighter with light as time goes on.  I assume this is a good sign, right?!


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 09, 2010, 16:43:44
^^ That has happened to me (the light thing) but I do not know if it was just a car going into my neighbors driveway. I think I am getting improvement on the state of mind part though. I will start to drift off more now and then my heart rate increases and my body begins to feel like it is floating, but then I become fully conscious and it goes away. So ^^ yay!


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 09, 2010, 16:58:27
^^ That has happened to me (the light thing) but I do not know if it was just a car going into my neighbors driveway. I think I am getting improvement on the state of mind part though. I will start to drift off more now and then my heart rate increases and my body begins to feel like it is floating, but then I become fully conscious and it goes away. So ^^ yay!
How many minutes do you do your trances??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 09, 2010, 17:53:45
I lay down for about  40 mins exactly each time (If my mind is not wondering) With the binaural beats I am able to stay still for 1 hour and my results are a bit better and my mind drifts off more, but after that I will fall asleep without realizing it. When I first started it only took me 10 to 20 minutes to get into the trance, but as time went on, my time increased until I was not getting any results, which I am wondering if that is because of something to do with my physical body, because know I am doing a bit better each night.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 09, 2010, 20:37:18
I lay down for about  40 mins exactly each time (If my mind is not wondering) With the binaural beats I am able to stay still for 1 hour and my results are a bit better and my mind drifts off more, but after that I will fall asleep without realizing it. When I first started it only took me 10 to 20 minutes to get into the trance, but as time went on, my time increased until I was not getting any results, which I am wondering if that is because of something to do with my physical body, because know I am doing a bit better each night.
Try doing if for an hour or longer


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 09, 2010, 20:44:19
OH I have an idea to keep myself awake. ^^ I will turn my fan on and put my covers half way across the room, because I will not stay asleep without them, especially with wind blowing on me. Usually if that happens I will be more than half asleep and just pull them over me, but with them being out of my reach that should keep me from going back to sleep, and hopefully let me continue from where I left off.....
My only problem with adding an extra hour then will be whether or not I can sit still that long.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 10, 2010, 15:14:06
I am starting to wake up during the  night more. (I usually sleep straight through) I woke up  a few times and attempted to AP when I did so, but I was too tired.   :lol: This time instead of the pulsing I had tingling sensations (though not vibrations) and this morning I was trying to ap and I was  half awake and half asleep and I started shaking. WHen I got up the shaking went away though


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 10, 2010, 17:13:47
AP is a specific description of OBE.  An OBE is an Out of Body Experience, that could include Astral Projection, Near Death Experience, Shamanic Journeying, even Remote Viewing in a sense.  An OBE is the act of projecting your consciousness away from your body, though that's kind of a "primitive" way to look at it because it assumes that your physical body is your primary mode of experiencing and all others are secondary.  I think it might be more appropriate to say that your are shifting your scale and position to another perspective that you may equally inhabit. 

It should be noted that Shamanic Journeying and Remote Viewing are often considered inner journeys because they are "imaginal".  To that I would say, who decided that realms of the imagination aren't real?  I can talk to my spirit guides and power animals in my realms of imagination, I can connect with my subconscious.  How can anyone say that's any less real than me typing right now?  Some even say that typical Astral Projection is an inner journey, that these realms are made from imagination.  So what about the seemingly objective Astral Environments that contain whole civilizations, or ones where many different Earth-bound people can go and then come back and share the same experience?  In this case, we could give credit to the collective unconscious.  Different people can experience the same thing because that "place" exists within the unifying consciousness between all sentient beings existing in all of reality.  I'm not saying that Astral Projection is one way or the other, but I think it's important to consider that even the events we call "inner" journeys are no less real that a trip to the 7-11, possibly much more. 

Kurt, I would say that perhaps you are genuinely OBEing.  Here's my theory:

The Astral Planes are different from the density levels because the APs represent the truly non-material.  While the density levels above the 3rd appear immaterial to us because of our scale and position relative to their frequency, they are physical too when viewed from the perspective of their scale and position.  Now that may mean something different to them because the way they perceive reality is most like much different from ours.  We call the 3rd Density physical because of it's apparent solidity, but we all know that there isn't really anything solid about it (quantum physics, nothing but space in an atom).  To us, energy that vibrates faster than the energy in our scale and position seems non-physical, and one might assume that beings in higher densities would perceive their indigenous density as "solid" and higher ones as "non-solid".  The Astral Planes on the other hand are "inner realms".  If such a thing as objectivity really exists then you would find it in the Density Levels, but the Astral is subjective, mind only.  That's not to say that mind doesn't play a bigger role in densities higher than the 3rd though.  So if one were journeying in the Astral then it would be an inner journey because they are realms of imagination.  However, if one were journeying to different densities it would be a true Out of Body Journey because your body in the 3rd Density is left behind and you inhabit your "body" counterpart in the higher frequency densities.  In the Astral there is no body involved, you are still with your physical body but you have unplugged from the sensory input of the 3rd Density and plugged into the sensory input of the collective unconscious of all beings.  Density travel is like physical travel only instead of going to the next country, you are increasing the vibratory frequency of your energy body.  Astral travel on the other hand is a 180 degree shift from receiving sensory input from a density level to a level of mind.  This would explain why it may take an individual more energy reserves to reach a different density level than Astral realms.  How much fuel does it take you to meditate versus powering a rocket ship to go to the moon?  When you move to a different density you're altering the pattern of your energy body whereas in moving to the Astral you're altering the pattern of your consciousness.  I think it would be safe to assume that you would be altering your consciousness patterns in density travel as well as the patterns of your energy bodies because while you could get there by raising the frequency of your energy body, you wouldn't be able to perceive the higher densities in any sort of meaningful way if your consciousness was still focused in 3rd Density perception. 

Here's a diagram that may illustrate what I'm saying:

(http://pics.livejournal.com/astrallyknown/pic/000038kc/s640x480)

I agree that AP sounds cooler though, I just think that it's something that's taking place within the collective mind of all beings while the density travel is actual travel.  Mind you, this is all just theory, I have no evidence to back it up.  This is just me contemplating what I've experienced and a little bit of other theories mushed up into one idea.  This may be totally wrong.  But I think it makes sense.  Especially with you talking about how much more energy it takes to get to the higher densities, and I think this is why.  Plus, I have relatively little energy reserves compared to you for example, and my projections, which I think are to the astral, are always "colored" by my dreams and other imagined/mind experiences. 


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 10, 2010, 17:25:04
I understood that, (though I cannot see the diagram until I get home)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 10, 2010, 18:00:22
The diagram really brings it home.  Seeing what I mean turns the abstract concept into something a little more tangible.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 10, 2010, 19:20:23
 :-P When I have my first AP then I can really see if what you say is plausible, but for now I am just an open book with blank pages on the subject.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 10, 2010, 20:37:51
Then don't listen to a word I say.  It's all lies.  I've been making it up for fun at your expense, I'm sorry.  Forget everything I've ever said to you....seriously. 


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 10, 2010, 20:42:30
D: what!?! are being sarcastic???? *runs around in confusion then into a wall*  :cry: sorry please do not be that way.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 10, 2010, 21:06:48
I said seriously didn't I?  Read the mission statement for my podcast http://entroectro.blogspot.com/ (http://entroectro.blogspot.com/).  I mean it. 

I'm a psychologist.  Studying behavior is what I do.  I know how easily what one person who seems to be an authority is whatever capacity says can turn into a limiting belief in another person.  I don't like that.  I don't want my words to become a limiting belief for you.  I say this with the warmest of intentions, I'm not trying to confuse you at all.  I can share my experience, but you must know that what I say is essentially nonsense.  The reason is because we each have an infinitely unique perception.  No matter how similar we think we are we are nothing alike.  Consider emotions.  I say I'm happy and you know what I mean right?  Of course not.  I have had millions of unique moments in my life that have conditioned the way I experience happy.  And the real kicker is that each successive moment of experience is interpreted and perceived by perception that the millions of moments before it has created.  On top of all that, I have a unique soul with it's own characteristics.  So even if we were born as monozygotic (identical) twins, and somehow had the exact same experience through our whole life, we still wouldn't be the same because our unique souls cause us to perceive all of those experiences differently.  So, I say I'm happy and in truth you have absolutely no idea what that means.  Only I can ever feel like I feel.  Perhaps only through psychic experience could one experience someone else, but even then, the psychic would still be interpreting the feelings of the other person through their own perceptual framework.  It is literally impossible in my opinion for any two people to really know what eachother feels.

With that in mind, my experience is utterly useless to you on a real metaphysical level.  Sure, you can take my experience and play around with it, but what comes out on the other end will be your interpretation of my experience, so it's not really my experience then, it's yours.  In that sense then, there is no such thing as objectivity.  If we both see an object and agree that we both saw the same object it would still be untrue, because while we agree that the object we see has the label agreed upon by our society, we both see it through infinitely unique eyes.  The experience is not the same.  Everything is always subjective, it couldn't be any other way.  What that all comes down to then, is that essentially there is no other experience but mine and equally yours.  For all intents and purposes, you do not exist in my reality and I don't exist in yours.  I suppose you could extrapolate from that that we are "all one" experiencing itself through an infinite number of infinitely unique eyes so to say.



Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 10, 2010, 21:25:44
^^ lol
I get what you are saying. :-) I absolutely dislike it when people say they know me and I am a believer in that what you experience in life, who was in your life and how you coped or handled these factors are a big part of what makes you uniquely you.

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Then don't listen to a word I say.  It's all lies.  I've been making it up for fun at your expense, I'm sorry.  Forget everything I've ever said to you....seriously.
By saying this would you be in fact saying the truth since you say it is all lies, so that means you lied and told they truth by lying, but still lied yet said truth, so that makes there only one lie..... ^^ Just playing (not sure if I even worded all of that correctly)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 10, 2010, 22:10:34
Your ideas and opinions seem to be the same as mine and my group. I'm not a very good writer, so I'll leave it up to you to come up with the explanations. I am good at drawing examples though:

(http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/7492/dsc04198t.jpg)

They say a pictures worth a thousand words.  :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 11, 2010, 02:10:02
I like the 3-D interpretation, I didn't even think to put it that way.  I kept tripping over myself because conceptually I visualized the idea in 3-D but I visualized it as a virtual reality type experience where I'm flying through the diagram.  So I just put it in 2-D.  Seeing yours makes sense though in 3-D, the only thing I added was the collective which I suppose could be connected to each person or it could be the medium in which everything else exists.  Perhaps the collective is the source of energy for the density levels.

(http://pics.livejournal.com/astrallyknown/pic/00004yad/s640x480)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 11, 2010, 02:47:10
It's important not to forget that these density levels are based on the galaxy and the galactic center. All galaxies (or most) are based on the golden ratio. The mathematics isn't too difficult to understand and this image demonstrates how the density levels get smaller and smaller as you approach the center of the galaxy.

(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/5767/dsc03875h.jpg)

I believe that the gravity is compressed into each of the density levels. To calculate the area all you do is take the length x length.

The golden ratio (phi) = 1.618

The 3rd density is phi x phi = 2.62
The 4th density is 1/Phi x 1/phi  = .382
The 5th density is 1/Phi^3 x 1/phi^3  = .0557
The 6th density is 1/Phi^5 x 1/phi^5  = .0081
The 7th density is 1/Phi^7 x 1/phi^7  = .0012

4th density (.382) x 7 = 2.6, which means the 4th density is about 7 times smaller than the 3rd.

5th density (.0557) x 47 = 2.62, which means the 5th density is about 47 times smaller than the 3rd.

6th density (.0081) x 324 = 2.62, which means the 6th density is about 324 times smaller than the 3rd.

7th density (.0012) x 2185 = 2.62, which means the 7th density is about 2,185 times smaller than the 3rd.

My theory is that the energetic vacuum density (gravity) of these dimensions is also dependent on these sizes. Meaning that the gravity of the 5th density is about 47 times that of normal 3rd density earth gravity. And the gravity at the galactic center (7th density) is about 2,185 times earths gravity...


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 11, 2010, 03:16:14
Kurt, how many planets in our universe do you think support life (approximate percentage)??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 11, 2010, 03:25:27
How the heck would I know that? I wouldn't even be able to tell you what percentage of planets in this galaxy support life.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 11, 2010, 03:30:27
How the heck would I know that? I wouldn't even be able to tell you what percentage of planets in this galaxy support life.
Isnt it something you can find out when AP'ing??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 11, 2010, 03:46:53
I would bet that every star in the galaxy is capable of having at least one planet around it that supports life in some form or another. There are about 100 - 400 billion stars in our galaxy. It's difficult to say how many planets there are orbiting these stars but I would have to say about a trillion or so. If only 1% of these trillion planets had life that would be about (10^12 * .01) = 1,000,000,000 or one billion planets.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: zareste on March 11, 2010, 11:33:18
Gravity would make sense of the density concept, perhaps. I'm no physicist but I've studied electromagnetism quite a bit, and I think gravity might be specific to frequency. As in, particles might only exert gravity on particles of a similar frequency. So in effect, an entire object might form on one frequency without interacting with objects on other frequencies

Very theoretical, and it wouldn't imply less or greater gravity on any frequency. I think it's what happens when ghosts phase through walls

Kurt, how many planets in our universe do you think support life (approximate percentage)??
I can answer that: All of them. Even the void of space has life in it (albeit different).

But I'm guessing you mean cellular carbon/hydrogen life like we're familiar with. There are numerous planets similar to ours - we're one of many Earth-types - with civilizations and forests and oceans. There are also many desert planets similar to Mars that are sparsely inhabited. There are frozen planets like Pluto where encapsulated cities are built. I've gotten wind that even our own Moon is terraformed on the back.

Seems we're going off on another tangent, aren't we?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 11, 2010, 12:26:38
I would bet that every star in the galaxy is capable of having at least one planet around it that supports life in some form or another. There are about 100 - 400 billion stars in our galaxy. It's difficult to say how many planets there are orbiting these stars but I would have to say about a trillion or so. If only 1% of these trillion planets had life that would be about (10^12 * .01) = 1,000,000,000 or one billion planets.
This guy claims every planet in our solar system has life: http://www.soundcurrentrider.com/
But some have different vibration levels, thats why we cant detect life on any here from earth
I can answer that: All of them. Even the void of space has life in it (albeit different).

But I'm guessing you mean cellular carbon/hydrogen life like we're familiar with. There are numerous planets similar to ours - we're one of many Earth-types - with civilizations and forests and oceans. There are also many desert planets similar to Mars that are sparsely inhabited. There are frozen planets like Pluto where encapsulated cities are built. I've gotten wind that even our own Moon is terraformed on the back.
You are right, there's many reports of structures on the moon.  Not sure if they were built by us or someone else.
I'm also convinced the US govt and NASA knows life exists on Mars, thats why they keep going back there.  Not sure why they just dont come clean with it though, I think most people can handle it


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: zareste on March 11, 2010, 13:53:20
yeah people would handle it fine. In fact everyone was ready and raring to find life before NASA showed up and pulled the great geocentric-life scam. Not many people believed this 'alone in the universe' stuff before they showed up. Mars and other planets have life and structures that are plainly visible and sometimes abundant - they're just edited out of the pictures.

I wonder if we should make a thread about galactic life in general

I know there's something going on with the Moon. In a projection once, I decided to walk on the back of the Moon myself. When I got there, I was rather confused because it looked like a desert on Earth - brown sand, yellow sunset, a hint of blue in the sky though it was mostly black. I thought I had gone to the wrong planet. The only thing that tipped me off was when I looked at the sand - there were little 'craters' in it - evidence of space dust. I didn't get to see any structures I'm afraid

As for who's up there - it's not any single government, as nation-governments are a myth to begin with. It seems to be a set of organizations with various agendas and various races, humans included. I hear that at least one of them wants to wipe all life off this planet and repopulate it themselves


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 11, 2010, 14:45:25
I wonder if we should make a thread about galactic life in general
Consider it done: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_projection_experiences/alien_life_in_the_universe-t31181.0.html


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 11, 2010, 16:08:26
Gravity would make sense of the density concept, perhaps. I'm no physicist but I've studied electromagnetism quite a bit, and I think gravity might be specific to frequency. As in, particles might only exert gravity on particles of a similar frequency. So in effect, an entire object might form on one frequency without interacting with objects on other frequencies

Very theoretical, and it wouldn't imply less or greater gravity on any frequency. I think it's what happens when ghosts phase through walls

Makes sense to me. These are the things the nice angel was telling me on my voyage to the 5th density. Although, I'm not going to go around telling people about higher planes of existence and high gravity...  :-D

The world is flat!  :lol:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 11, 2010, 16:38:59
The reason that the power structures on this planet wouldn't share knowledge of extra-terrestrial life is really simple.  Our beliefs and behaviors generate our experience of reality, either to a literal degree (our consciousness moves matter into the formations that we experience as life on earth) or in a psychological sense (our beliefs effect our perception of an "objective" reality thereby "creating" our world).  Unfortunately, as a species we are ignorant to this property of our existence and the "powers that be" take advantage of that, very well I might add.  They have manipulated us into creating for ourselves a very limited existence.  While we think we are gloriously free here in the states, we are barely slaves, more like lab rats.  You say, "but we have personal liberty and blah blah blah", and you feel that way because you don't know the possibilities.  Consider for a moment what life would be like here if children were taught how to use their intuitive skills from birth, or taught to have self-compassion which would grow into compassion for others.  These idealistic dreams aren't terribly difficult to achieve, there is no "human nature" to be barbaric and cruel.  We are taught to be that way.  Naturally there are some people who are more predisposed to be dominant and the current paradigm molds that into something violent and selfish.  If on the other hand we existed in a paradigm of self-knowledge (which is my definition of spirituality) that same dominant character would be molded into a benevolent leader.  Think of all the badass, greedy, gang bangers.  In truth, these people are ambitious, they have the charisma that leads people, they have the inter-personal skills to grow and expand socially.  In the right environment that person could be the greatest leader we've ever known.  But it's not like that here.  We're are in a slave camp and we're our own guards. 

What would happen if people knew that this wasn't it, that there was life beyond this planet, that there were ways of life that we've never thought of?  Our whole paradigm of reality would shatter in favor of galactic consciousness.  In an instant, all of our earthly problems could potentially be dissolved.  We would know that life is bigger than this petty stuff we battle over.  It's probably not likely because we are so buried in the brainwashing that we call things like patriotism and religious faith.  We would probably send missionaries to the aliens to convert them to Christianity.  But that's the potential problem.  Allowing us to know of life beyond this planet has the potential to dissolve the paradigm prison that has been so carefully and delicately built around us.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 11, 2010, 16:52:28
Kurt,

It would make sense for each density to get smaller as you move up because the frequency of the energy at those levels is higher, meaning that the frequency waves are more compressed.  And, if there gravity is present it would make sense that it would also be increased, like in a black hole.  When the energy is compressed so is the gravity.

I have two questions though.  First, do you think that the increase in gravitational force would be proportional to our density just compressed in a smaller space (so the same force would just appear more intense because it's in a smaller space).  Or is the actual force itself intensified?

Second, I can't quite decide what to do with the imaginal realms.  I mean, I think that you have physical and non-physical; physical, being various density levels, potentially increasing and decreasing infinitely in both directions and non-physical, being mind.  It then makes sense to me that the realms of mind aren't individual events but a collective event.  So, is the realm of mind, the collective, the source of all energy in the density levels?  Is this collective I talk about God?  Or, is this imaginal realm somehow equal to the density levels but on a different angle from our perception?  What is it's nature?  I mean the density levels shouldn't be difficult, like you say, they are essentially our density operating on different applications of physics and mathematics (presumably more advanced, but not beyond comprehension when perceiving from that density).  But what about this collective, the realms of mind?  One would assume that mathematics aren't applicable there.  Maybe because it's the source of all mathematics.  Like using a word in it's own definition, it doesn't work.  It just baffles me.  We use this mind realm every moment of our lives, but what is it and how can we use it in relation to our personal growth and sophistication of consciousness?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 11, 2010, 17:15:47
It would make sense for each density to get smaller as you move up because the frequency of the energy at those levels is higher, meaning that the frequency waves are more compressed.  And, if there gravity is present it would make sense that it would also be increased, like in a black hole.  When the energy is compressed so is the gravity.

I have two questions though.  First, do you think that the increase in gravitational force would be proportional to our density just compressed in a smaller space (so the same force would just appear more intense because it's in a smaller space).  Or is the actual force itself intensified?

Yea, that's what I was trying to say. All of the gravity in the 3rd is compressed into a space 7 times smaller in the 4th. Many people when they die (ghosts) move into the 4th to watch their funeral and stuff.  But they can only stay there for about a week or so before they must move into the astral plane. This is also usually with the help of a guide that is supplying them energy.


Second, I can't quite decide what to do with the imaginal realms.  I mean, I think that you have physical and non-physical; physical, being various density levels, potentially increasing and decreasing infinitely in both directions and non-physical, being mind.  It then makes sense to me that the realms of mind aren't individual events but a collective event.  So, is the realm of mind, the collective, the source of all energy in the density levels?  Is this collective I talk about God?  Or, is this imaginal realm somehow equal to the density levels but on a different angle from our perception?  What is it's nature?  I mean the density levels shouldn't be difficult, like you say, they are essentially our density operating on different applications of physics and mathematics (presumably more advanced, but not beyond comprehension when perceiving from that density).  But what about this collective, the realms of mind?  One would assume that mathematics aren't applicable there.  Maybe because it's the source of all mathematics.  Like using a word in it's own definition, it doesn't work.  It just baffles me.  We use this mind realm every moment of our lives, but what is it and how can we use it in relation to our personal growth and sophistication of consciousness?

I'm pretty sure that this energy might come from the galactic center. Each galaxy may have different collective 'consciousness' energy based on the galaxies design, not the Universe, as most people believe.

The spiritual realms seem to use the chakra system to get there. We can travel internally using the chakras and explore what's inside them. For all I know the chakras could store all of the experiences you have had in every one of your past lives for the last 100 million years. Every person you have met, every place you have been to, and everything you have seen.

We are able to learn because I believe many people have incarnated here from other worlds and from higher dimensional planes (fallen angels). They have come to earth in this time to experience the whole 2012 shift in consciousness. For all I know I could have lived in the 5th density for the past million years and learned all of these mathematics and concepts there... :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 11, 2010, 18:00:09
I did 48 minutes of trance today, I feel like I'm getting closer and closer to exiting


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: missym on March 11, 2010, 18:08:25
lol
omg, I need to finish school  :|


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 11, 2010, 20:49:39
missym, Why do you need to finish school?  I mean I get it, but it seems to me to be an awful waste of time and money.  I'm in school for psych and not only has studying what modern psych really is made me hate it but I've learned more about human behavior from watching people and reading books.  I feel like I'm wasting my money.  And the institution itself is collapsing.  I mean, I learn the same thing no matter what class I take these days and the testing/teaching methods are all about regurgitation not learning.  You'd do better to study what you want on your own because you'd actually be passionate about it and would learn it.  Though, if you don't want to do trade work and want to live with the rest of society I guess you kind of have to get a degree.  They should just give it to us though, I mean, I'm pretty much just buying it anyway, why should I have to sit through classes I hate where the teachers just patronize me all the time and the university wastes my money on new athletic centers and statuary around campus, while at the same time all my teachers are complaining about department budget cuts. 

I like that galactic core idea kurt.  I used to be heavy into astronomy and I was so fascinated when the super massive black hole at the center of every galaxy deal was discovered (as for what black holes may be.....maybe a physical connection between astral and here).  Then I read Jose Arguelles' Mayan Factor where he talks about the galactic core and creating a link with it (he also said the original mayans were 'extraterrestrials', I would assume then that they were higher density beings).  I have a talisman that I wear that is the Mayan symbol Hunab Ku which is their symbol for the galactic core, it's also something like the yin-yang symbol (i don't remember what it's really called).  A mayan shaman and elder told me that the next age will be without gender (as in each of the previous 4 ages have alternated female, male, female, male) and that's what the Hunab Ku's yin-yang qualities means.  Kind of irrelevant, but I'm on board with each galaxy being it's own entity in that regard of having it's own collective.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 11, 2010, 21:00:50
^^ I am trying to focus in classes so that I can get good grades so that I have a better chance of getting into Full Sail in Orlando when I get out of high school. Well I already make average grades, sometimes above, it is just according to how focused I was at the time. ^^" I can not wait until I get to college though and finally get to learn how to do want I been wanting to know... I wish high school was more focused on our future career, or at least have high schools like that for people who pretty much have an idea what they want to do.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 11, 2010, 23:33:08
 :? I am wondering because this has been happening for a few days while trying to AP. It feels like my are is moving by it self. Like I have it flat on my bed and it feels as though it is turning itself on it side then going back flat and repeats those, but if I try to see if I can get my arm out I just end up moving my whole which will mess it up and make it stop feeling like it is moving by itself, until I put it back down and it start up again. So is this my physical arm or my astral?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: missym on March 11, 2010, 23:40:19
missym, Why do you need to finish school?  I mean I get it, but it seems to me to be an awful waste of time and money. 

I guess I just assumed you gained all of this knowledge by completing specific courses in University/College.. If you haven't completed Uni, then that gives me a ton of relief knowing I don't have to endure 8 years and 40,000 dollars in debt to become as intelligent in this area as you are . :wink:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 11, 2010, 23:49:14
I just went to university for the partying and getting laid, I never really learned much


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 12, 2010, 00:05:58
Too cool for school.  8-)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 12, 2010, 02:51:57
I'm working on my psych master and I didn't learn anything that I know from school.  In fact, college is the biggest waste of time intellectually I've ever experienced in my life.  Well...if you're any kind of intelligent.  If you're a dumb butt then college will be right up your alley.  The only reason to go to college is because no one will give your theories the time of day unless your name has some variation of letters after it.  I have a better understanding of the human psyche than most of my professors.

You will need the degree if you want to have an impact on your field, unless your theory is so mind blowingly innovative that no one can ignore it.  But the sick part is, what you're really doing in college besides paying for a piece of paper is networking so that you have the right people backing up your research when the time comes.  You learn the nomenclature in college so you can speak the speak of the scientists (all people in college are becoming scientists no matter what the major because modern college is based on the modern paradigm/religion of science, even if you're studying art).  I use a lot of terms from time to time that I've heard in school, but what have i learned?  Nothing really, just a way to articulate my theories so that the other followers of the church of science will understand me better.  That doesn't mean learning has taken place.  But if that's all you really expect from college then you're straight.  I mean they say that the IQ test doesn't measure an objective degree of intelligence, it measures how well you have adapted to this moment in our society.  Abraham Lincoln would be considered mentally retarded based on our IQ tests because he's not adapted to our paradigm, he's not used to how our culture works these days.  If you wanna pass the IQ test then college is great.  If you want to genuinely learn and expand and develop your own understanding of your reality and the reality of your chosen field and be able to expand on that, then study independently.  I'm not saying don't go to school.  There are always some great professors who get it, who understand what education is supposed to be.  But they aren't really the problem, the problem is the government and their regulations on schools, the administration is ready to bow down and kiss the butt of anyone who will give them money, and they're more than willing to use your money however they please, even if that means building that athletic center and not giving your department enough money to provide scantrons or hard copies of the syllabus. 

I swear, you guys always get me fired up about something. 

Point being, I don't sound this smart because of school.  I sound this smart because I'm passionate about my interests and so I spend time studying them, thinking about them, meditating on them and trying to solve what I see as problems.  I guarantee you sound crazy smart if we find what you're a genius in.  Everyone is a genius when it comes to something, everyone has their thing that they just get better than anyone else.  I get ontology, the study of reality.  That for me includes humans and human behavior because I think humans are reality (well beings in general, but humans are the easiest subjects to study on earth).  You've got your thing.

And Anemani, you're not going to learn what you're really interested in in college.  You're going to learn how what you thought you liked isn't really anything like you thought it was.  Then you're going to change majors.  Ultimately you'll learn more on your own.  I HIGHLY recommend that when you get to college, take some of the classes for your major first, even before the gen eds.  This way you'll get a taste and be able to change your major before you've committed 4 years and 30,000 dollars.

I gotta say, too cool for school too  8-)

Missym, if you still doubt it, Kurt learned about his stuff from 'Astral Projection'!  There isn't any school I know that's gonna teach this kind of stuff.  It seems that you'll be taught what "you get" when projecting, so keep your radar up when you project missym.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 12, 2010, 03:01:44
Scientists would mock and never accept astral projection anyways, even if someone wanted to teach it in school.
I can just picture one of those arrogant profs with a smirk on his face saying AP is unsupported, pseudo-science


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 12, 2010, 03:07:06
Before attending the University of Wisconsin I attended a technical college where I received certifications in all aspects of computer technology, networks and databases. My major at the University was Computer Science and I spent a lot of time with professors and students that where incredibly brilliant. My secondary focus was Electrical Engineering and Mathematics. Without going to college I don't think I would have spent much time learning many of the things that I learned.

Another important thing that I learned, was how to study and manage my time more efficiently. Some of the tough classes required 20 - 30 hours of studying a week. Many of the students just gave up but I decided to push on. Out of the several hundred in my freshman class, there where only about 30 in my graduating class. I'm grateful that I got a chance to study under such brilliant professors and meet a lot of very interesting and brilliant individuals.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: zareste on March 12, 2010, 04:44:11
if someone is dumb enough to say astral projection is fake, I wouldn't call them a scientist. They're on the same level as 6-day creationists


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 12, 2010, 12:57:45
if someone is dumb enough to say astral projection is fake, I wouldn't call them a scientist. They're on the same level as 6-day creationists
<.< so I guess that means you are calling me dumb


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: owl on March 12, 2010, 14:24:13
Personalreality,
 Have you heard of Amit Goswami? If not I think you would find his work very interesting. You can look him up on youtube or he has quite a few books out. I first listened to him on youtube being interviewed on Coast to Coast radio.

Amit Gaswami is a quantum physicist who is proving God or downward causation through science.
I think you would find some answers to some of your questions.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 12, 2010, 16:01:09
if someone is dumb enough to say astral projection is fake, I wouldn't call them a scientist. They're on the same level as 6-day creationists
You just described 70 to 80% of all scientists there (by calling them dumb).  At least in my estimation.

Just spent 53 minutes in total trance.  The buzzing noise is getting slightly louder while my vibrations are a bit softer.
The buzzing sounds like someone put an airconditioning fan right next to me.  I can only hear it in my left ear, less so in my right ear
(maybe something to do with left-brain dominance??)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: zareste on March 13, 2010, 03:45:45
I wasn't describing scientists at all. No percentage


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 13, 2010, 04:03:21
Are you a scientist zareste?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: zareste on March 13, 2010, 04:11:43
that's not the right subject. I'm scientific but not a scientist by profession


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 13, 2010, 04:20:43
owl,

I am very familiar with amit goswami and many of his works.  thank you for your consideration.

maybe I should clarify because if you think I have questions then I have failed to articulate myself thoroughly.  I suppose this issue is bigger than my feelings toward higher education.  This world has lost its soul.  When I say that I refer to the overpowering majority.  Obviously that's not everybody, otherwise what are we doing here discussing questions like this?  My point is that the people who do make advances in whatever their field may be usually aren't us.  They are usually the soulless many who either want the money, want the fame, or were told what to do.  And unfortunately their advancements are often well within the boundaries set forth by the elite who dictates how our society works.  So what has this done to science?  It has smothered it.  Now researchers spend their time studying things like "Does disgust make a person more conservative?" (one of my professor's claim to fame)  What practical application does that have?  POLITICS!  Of course.  Have you seen politics today?  It's disgusting, yet this is the kind of thing our research goes to prop up.  If you will recall, I said the majority, not everybody.  Of course there are those out there who, despite the lack of corporate funding, still set up a lab in their apartment and build a teleportation device.  But it's the people who play by the "rules" of things like capitalism, greed and "democracy" that get funding and get headlines, thus they make advances.

I mean I guess you can't expect much more than the technology of the day will allow.  But then you have people like Kurt and his pals who are doing something that our modern technology says is just ridiculous.  I'm not saying science isn't real or something.  I'm saying two things.  One, you gotta play the game if you want to get the prize.  Two, science is not static, it is meant to be fluid and ever-changing, open to new possibilities.  Religion is static.  Yet science has become static.  The work being done on the large scale these days is sooo afraid of seeming too "superstitious" so they won't touch science of the mind.

Thank you still.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 13, 2010, 04:31:05
I thought I was a scientist until I spent the day over on Neburu. There planet is a dyson sphere and they have the ability to enter various density levels.   :-o

You have to gamble to win, as I like to say!

I bet your teachers get a kick out of you personalreality.  :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 13, 2010, 04:33:23
I wasn't describing scientists at all. No percentage
I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say, but......whatever.

I did 2 trances today, something really weird happened, I was getting much better vibrations from sitting in my office chair as opposed to sitting up in my bed.  I also bought some Mugwort, it does accentuate the trance a bit


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: zareste on March 13, 2010, 04:46:50
I thought I was a scientist until I spent the day over on Neburu. There planet is a dyson sphere and they have the ability to enter various density levels.   :-o
Boy, I'd like see a description of it. Where was it located?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 13, 2010, 04:47:38
When I lay down all that happens is I fall asleep.

Today is actually the first day where I projected standing up. I was able to project my awarness into my 4th density body and look down at me in the 3rd. Very strange...

Boy, I'd like see a description of it. Where was it located?
I guess they can travel around from star to star... Stargates or some damn thing. I said, where's zareste when you need him?  :lol:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: zareste on March 13, 2010, 05:48:48
Wow. I've heard about manual-drive planets before, but to make a star-gate for one must use an unbelievable level of energy


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: kurtykurt42 on March 13, 2010, 05:58:28
Too much for me to comprehend. They said I'm close to understanding 3rd and 4th density energy, which is good I guess. My astral understanding still needs some work...  :-D

I guess they just move planets around like there tokens, or pieces on a chess board. They told me that they don't like the earth 'Government'. Neburu lives with there planet as one, where we live in fear and trade in secrets and lies.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 13, 2010, 15:08:53
Well Kurt, the teachers who get what I'm saying love me.  Most of them are often a bit put off by me.  I mean you'd think they'd love me because I actually participate and try to have good discussions.  The class participation these days is dismal.  We're paying thousands of dollars a semester, you'd think these kids would want to try and be a bit critical in the learning process and try to challenge themselves.  But alas, my point is made again.  Whether they admit it or not, the kids and the teachers know that what they're doing is a joke and essentially meaningless.  What really fires up the teachers is when I propose a counterpoint to their teachings that they can't defend against.  The kids love it, but you should see the professors' faces turn red.  I feel bad though, I really don't blame people individually, most of them never had a chance.  I just can't figure out what inspired people like us to do something different. 

I hate to sound so critical of the education system.  I have a couple of really great professors who really want to teach the kids something.  The kids don't always respond so well, but at least the profs are trying. 



Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: owl on March 13, 2010, 16:01:08
personalreality,
I guess "questions" was not the right word. It is just that a lot of what your saying agrees with what Amit Goswami says. I thought that if you had not heard of him you would find his work interesting. Anyway everything you are saying rings true to me.

I am not a highly educated person but I do see what is going on in this world and you are right, the world has lost it's soul. It saddens me greatly to see what we have done to this planet in the persuit of money and power. I have lost my will to partisipate in our way of life. My skills lie in working with my hands, survival in nature and in general I feel a strong connection to the earth and all her beauty.

I actually hope that what some say will happen in the next few years about our transformation of consciousness really does happen and it brings people back to a more simple way of life and respect for each other and the earth and all her creatures.

I feel something is going to happen. I have always wanted to just go off into the wilderness to live out my life but I feel those days are gone. I feel as though I am where I am at for a reason and my skills may be needed soon to help those around me.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts and wisdom here. I think is espeically good for the young people here.



Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Vitruvian on March 13, 2010, 16:34:44
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It saddens me greatly to see what we have done to this planet in the persuit of money and power. I have lost my will to partisipate in our way of life.

Darn, skip a few days and miss the funnest thread going.

I'd like to respectfully address the above perspective, and also this:
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Think of all the badass, greedy, gang bangers.

Far too many people are living in a world were they are just scraping by, consumed by day-to-day survival. They quite simply do not have the luxury of pondering the larger questions, as we do. Then, if they do manage to fulfill their basic needs, they usually run with what worked for them before and continue their pursuit of power.

If we, the ones that for whatever reason have become 'aware' just decide to opt-out, it will be impossible for us to help others perceive the possibility of a different way of existence. Only by engaging can we make a diifference.

Vitruvian





Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 13, 2010, 18:29:33
Question for you experienced AP'ers:

When you exit, is it a fast sudden exit, or is it a slow gradual exit??
I'm talking about the final moments of the exit


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: WASD on March 13, 2010, 23:37:56
Question for you experienced AP'ers:

When you exit, is it a fast sudden exit, or is it a slow gradual exit??
I'm talking about the final moments of the exit
I've only experienced it once but it was just as quick as you rise up your bed when you wake up in the morning. I think its like that for most people.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on March 14, 2010, 00:46:01
I've only experienced it once but it was just as quick as you rise up your bed when you wake up in the morning. I think its like that for most people.
Good, thats what I was getting at


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: -JD- on March 14, 2010, 15:51:52
Leave the body.

 :lol:


Which exit method did you use?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on March 15, 2010, 02:53:15
I'd like to respectfully address the above perspective, and also this:
Far too many people are living in a world were they are just scraping by, consumed by day-to-day survival. They quite simply do not have the luxury of pondering the larger questions, as we do. Then, if they do manage to fulfill their basic needs, they usually run with what worked for them before and continue their pursuit of power.

If we, the ones that for whatever reason have become 'aware' just decide to opt-out, it will be impossible for us to help others perceive the possibility of a different way of existence. Only by engaging can we make a diifference.

Vitruvian

I'd like to respectfully reply. 

The problem isn't the particular lifestyle.  The "stock trader" is just as consumed as the "gang banger".  It makes no difference what or where you are.  We don't choose who gets tapped.  The striving to survive bit is nonsense, that's the control system, everyone has been implanted with a sense of urgency that they have to "survive".

It's not something someone is going to learn through example.  There have been plenty of people setting the example for years.  Unfortunately there is always someone there to undermine it.  We'd have to either shift a large enough mass at one time or allow the universe to continue to unfold as it should. 

While I grump and complain, I also have a philosophical understanding that all is as it should be.  People have lessons to learn and this seems to be the way they do it.  I am learning to stop being judgmental and to accept that others have their path for a reason.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: solbreaks on March 15, 2010, 05:24:46
me and my freind were chillin and his jaw started to make popping sounds and we joked that alliens were taking off his jaw in his sleep then putting it back on.  We joked that they had pictures of his jaw holding it up.

But seriously one of my xp's with alliens was like this. 

I was watching this rat movie on animal planet.  I turned it off and lied down to sleep.  I lying on my stomache.  Feeling really relaxed.  like i was floating on a cloud. I switch and lay on my back.  felt tottaly drowys but i open my eyes and i thought i could see somthing in darkness.  suddenly a face came right to my face.  I was extremly frighten.  It looked like a big ET.  It was waring robe to though.
I was so scared I tried to hit him.  he had an extremely angry look on his face.  then  suddenly it was like i woke up from a dream.  their are  times i can just wake up at night and can tell that their close. I turned the tv back and only 7 minutes went by.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: solbreaks on March 15, 2010, 05:28:03
but alliens arent what i fears.  I Fear the 2 other sorcerrors who can astral project and i cant.  damn me, im so trusting.  I wish i never had trusted them. 


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: zareste on March 15, 2010, 09:24:19
I was watching this rat movie on animal planet.  I turned it off and lied down to sleep.  I lying on my stomache.  Feeling really relaxed.  like i was floating on a cloud. I switch and lay on my back.  felt tottaly drowys but i open my eyes and i thought i could see somthing in darkness.  suddenly a face came right to my face.  I was extremly frighten.  It looked like a big ET.  It was waring robe to though.
I was so scared I tried to hit him.  he had an extremely angry look on his face.  then  suddenly it was like i woke up from a dream.  their are  times i can just wake up at night and can tell that their close. I turned the tv back and only 7 minutes went by.
Ahaha, it sounds like they're just passing through, stupidly oblivious to our rules of property and personal space. You might be able to talk to one of them.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 17, 2010, 04:46:08
 :-D I was trying to AP today and I was having lucid thoughts. You know when your asleep, but not fully asleep and then the thought goes through my head roll over. Then my body started to tingle and feel like it was floating a little and it also felt like it was trying to move, but then it all stopped and I tried get back to where I was, but my nose got itchy and I could not stand it  :lol:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: missym on March 18, 2010, 06:34:54
lol everytime I'm in a trance, and starting to separate, one of my feet or my nose becomes itchy. I think it's a test of some kind.. I've learned to ignore it and just concentrate on deepening my state until eventually I become unaware of it and can continue into separation.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Anemani on March 18, 2010, 07:32:08
XD it is like torture. I can not stand it and it is very distracting  :lol:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Chubysnow on April 29, 2010, 02:30:37
Thank you for all that help!


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: raprd on May 02, 2010, 21:02:57
Hi Personalreality,

Thanks for your post. I have been reading about AP only recently and I am glad to have read your post so soon after it piqued my interest.

I was so eager to test out your methods that I went to have a nap. I let myself drift to sleep normally (and thankfully this only takes about 2 minutes). Then after a bit of time, I slowly awoke and tried to sink myself into a trance, without really trying. I had to make myself aware of certain sensations in order to not fall asleep again though. While in the trance, I noticed my heart was beating VERY quickly and I heard the ringing in my ears. It was not a consistent sound, but it sounded like many different tones. I was unable to have an OBE, but I did try the wiggle-technique of raising and lowering the essence of my lower arm (no physical movement). I am not sure if it worked though. I did notice whenever I lowered it back into its physical self that I would experience a buzz in that extremity. It was not uncomfortable by any means, but it was a very interesting sensation. Is this normal, or was this just something my mind manifested of itself?

I'd love to hear some more stories of people's first experiences with this. I am going to try again tonight, wish me luck!

Rachel


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on May 02, 2010, 21:19:52
Wow, it's been a long time since this was posted.  17 pages, really?  Damn.

I hope it works for you.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on May 02, 2010, 22:11:13
Wow, it's been a long time since this was posted.  17 pages, really?  Damn.

I hope it works for you.
17 pages... yeah, damn.
The funny part is... I think this is my first post on this particular thread.

I should read this from start to finish one day.  LoL


~Ryan :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on May 03, 2010, 02:15:41
don't, just read my post and then quit. 


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: mindbenda1 on November 19, 2010, 08:38:49
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Forget your technique.

Forget that you're trying to project.

Intend to go to sleep.

Listen for ringing/whining sound in your ears.

Feel trance sensations.

Stare into the blackness behind your eyes.

Hold this state as long as possible.  This is the Quiescent Mind State, I call it Q-Mind.

To get an idea of what this Q-Mind is like, imagine seeing lightning in the sky.  After it flashes, you stop to listen for the subsequent clap of thunder.  In that brief moment between lightning and thunder is Q-Mind.  You are completely still and your mind is completely silent and focused, all your attention directed to listening.

Look into the blackness and imagine you just saw lightning and then you listen to the ringing in your ears, waiting for the thunder.

Don't fret if you doze off.

When you get close to projection the exit sensations will rouse you.

Wait for vibrations.  When they come you will instinctively know how to raise them. 

Leave the body.

Hey I just wanted to say thank you. I have been trying to have an OBE for the last week or so, I did this last night. It worked

As validation, I came back to my physical body, woke up , and did it again at least 4-5 times.

I just wanted to express my gratitude


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: rangestormer on November 19, 2010, 09:11:06
Man, people are trying for a week and are already successful. I get really jealous, I am a four-month-no-AP loser :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: mindbenda1 on November 19, 2010, 12:18:09
hey
im no pro or anything. Im only just getting into this stuff. I think what really helped me, my mum gave me a whole bunch of books which her mum gave to her, alot of the stories were what I interpret to be OBEs. It spun me out that my mum handed me those books, it really made me feel like i was ready.

as long as you have the intent. you will get there. its just a matter of time. dont give up man


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on November 19, 2010, 14:10:46
glad it works for somebody.

it doesn't work for me anymore.    :-(


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Stookie on November 19, 2010, 16:53:54
That means you need to move onto bigger and better things. I find you have to constantly change what you're doing or it gets stale and diminishes in it's effectiveness. Your glass gets bigger and you need to fill it with more water.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on November 19, 2010, 16:56:21
that's what i'm doing now.  i'm investing time in other, more traditional avenues.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on November 20, 2010, 16:36:38
Man, people are trying for a week and are already successful. I get really jealous, I am a four-month-no-AP loser :-D
DONT FEEL BAD BRO, IT TOOK ME ABOUT 7 MONTHS (i THINK, i LOST COUNT) TILL i PROJECTED.

Crap, I just realized I wrote all that in capslock.  Too lazy to change it  :-P


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on November 20, 2010, 16:58:39
PFFT... when you get to 10+ years... then we'll talk.  ;)
I just started having success recently.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on November 20, 2010, 21:52:40
PFFT... when you get to 10+ years... then we'll talk.  ;)
I just started having success recently.
With success you mean exiting consistently, right??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on November 20, 2010, 21:56:41
no


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on November 21, 2010, 04:08:37
With "success" I mean successfully doing it once.

So you'll understand when I scoff at people who say they're frustrated after a few months... or a couple years... :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on November 21, 2010, 06:07:41
With "success" I mean successfully doing it once.

So you'll understand when I scoff at people who say they're frustrated after a few months... or a couple years... :)
You only exited once so far in 10 years?? 
Wow, thats commitment.  I think I wouldve quit and called it a day after 1 year, let alone 10  :-P


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on November 21, 2010, 17:18:31
What keeps me trying Conscious Exits is that I can always just project through my lucid dreams instead. 
So I'm really in no rush.  :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on November 29, 2010, 18:15:35
most people only practice in a regular dedicated fashion for a few months at a time it seems.  the rest of that time, AP, OBE, LD are just on the brain.  i studied projection for a number of years, but at any one time i've only practiced regularly for a few months at a time (6-8 months was the most).  then sometimes we take a break and read about it and related subjects.  keeps it fresh in the mind and opens up the subconscious more and more to the idea of letting the "I" go out on it's journeys leaving the "me" (the body/ego) behind.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: eflynn on December 01, 2010, 18:15:20
Wow, this is a long thread.  I have some thoughts I'd like to share based on the original post but since I haven't read more than 4-5 pages, I apologize right now if this is redundant.  Moderators, feel free to delete this post if it is - I won't be hurt. 

Focussing on the ringing in my ears is actually the very first technique I used (I've probably tried them all over the years) that produced real results that forced me to change my mind from not really beliving in AP but being curious to beliving this stuff really happens to people.  What happened was that eventually (it was probably somewhere between 1-2 hours of laying in bed focussing on the ringing) the ringing just kind of became the exit vibrations.  And holy cow! They were serious vibrations.  Not the kind of subtle waves you feel when doing energy/body awareness type excercises.  It literally felt like a bucket of ice water was dumped over my body starting at my head and moving down to my feet.  Shocked me so much I forced myself to wake up (and then regretted doing that considering this was what I was trying to accomplish). 

But the thing I wanted to add relates to the focussing on the blackness behind the eyes.  This has never worked for me - it just keeps me awake, which kinda' makes sense because by doing this, you are deliberatley keeping at least a part of your body awake.  I tried doing this when I used this ear-ringing method, along with trying like heck to silence my mind of all thoughts, and nothing ever happened.  When it finally worked, I had given up on staring into my eyelids and keeping my mind silent, and instead, kept focussing on the ringing, which got progressively louder, while just letting my mind wander like it naturally does when I go to sleep at night. 

My personal opinion is that this technique could be really good for you but if it's not working, try forgetting about using your physical eyes to stare into the darkness while trying to AP.  Either let your mind wander on it's own (tricky though, could make you just fall alseep like usual) or imagine something in your mind's eye and concentrate on that.  In other words, you've got to go from physical sight to mind's eye sight (not sure how else to describe it).  At least, I do.  You can even just imagine looking into blackness in your mind as if you were staring at your closed eyelids with your physical eyes, but you've got to eventually make that subtle shift from seeing blackness with your physical eyes to seeing blackness in your mind (whatever "mind" is  :wink:). 


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on December 01, 2010, 22:34:31
i completely agree eflynn.

at the time that was the best way i could describe what you do with your eyes.  in truth, what i was trying to get at was the elimination of physical eyes from the equation.  the eyes constantly make micromovements to make sure that there is no danger in the immediate environment.  This makes focusing hard.  We have a tendency to associate our 'I' with the space behind our eyes, so it can be hard to break focus from trying to see something.  the goal in the original instruction was to just stare blankly into the darkness and let your eyes go to sleep.  I have since found that it's not as easy as all that. 

So, good call.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on December 02, 2010, 00:13:13
Is the ringing in the ears the actual vibrations of the universe??  Or is it something else?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Taoistguy on December 02, 2010, 00:16:25
Is the ringing in the ears the actual vibrations of the universe??  Or is it something else?

Ah, the million pound question. :|
I feel it is the universe. Since I started, I hear it all the time now. I don't think it's tinnitus.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on December 02, 2010, 00:20:30
Focussing on the ringing in my ears is actually the very first technique I used (I've probably tried them all over the years) that produced real results that forced me to change my mind from not really beliving in AP but being curious to beliving this stuff really happens to people.  What happened was that eventually (it was probably somewhere between 1-2 hours of laying in bed focussing on the ringing) the ringing just kind of became the exit vibrations.  And holy cow! They were serious vibrations.  Not the kind of subtle waves you feel when doing energy/body awareness type excercises.  It literally felt like a bucket of ice water was dumped over my body starting at my head and moving down to my feet.  Shocked me so much I forced myself to wake up (and then regretted doing that considering this was what I was trying to accomplish)
Can you give us more tips on what to do exactly?? 
All you do is focus on the ringing, and thats it??  Or is there more to it then that??


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: AlanRK on December 02, 2010, 01:50:04
I can also attest to the "ringing sound" (one of many names) being extremely powerful for meditation and OBE'ing. I don't know what it is, but that's a pleasant mystery for now.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Taoistguy on December 02, 2010, 01:59:40
I think that sound, as a sense, can be used just the same as vision. We could 'see' the blobs in the blackness, or hear the 'blobs' in the sounds. We could just as likely smell the blobs. Or taste and feel then. Maybe because our sight and hearing are the most developed apparent;y obvious senses they work best?



Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on December 02, 2010, 02:36:32
We can actually take cues from our other senses in defining what that sound is.
And it comes down to the idea that our senses ALWAYS need to be doing something.
I believe the sound we hear is the absence of sound.  It's there so that our hearing has something to hear. 


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: CFTraveler on December 02, 2010, 04:09:01
The sound we hear is the hairs on the ear canal, which have an electric charge.  So when there is no sound being turned into electric impulses, it's just white noise.  So technically, Ryan is right.  White noise= no sound input.



Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on December 02, 2010, 04:17:59
not necessarily arguing your point CFT, but I can focus on the sound and hear it even when there is other aural stimuli around.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: CFTraveler on December 02, 2010, 04:18:48
Because the electric charge is always there.  But sure, why not?  There's more than one tone, so I imagine that some will react and some won't, and some are reacting to the ambient frequency (for lack of a better term, lol).


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on December 02, 2010, 04:19:24
word.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: CFTraveler on December 02, 2010, 04:20:24
I worded it different on edit.  So, 'word', or not.  Lol.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on December 02, 2010, 06:13:16
I'd just like to know how the heck I can turn that hum into an OBE or AP


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on December 02, 2010, 14:23:12
Too much 'word' going around these days. LOL


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: CFTraveler on December 02, 2010, 15:01:45
I'd just like to know how the heck I can turn that hum into an OBE or AP
You don't.  You 'synch' up with your brain frequencies in which you get into a trance state.  How you know it is when you can separate tones and start discerning thoughts from the noise and possibly hearing voices, you've entered the trance state.  Then from there you use whatever technique suits you.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: eflynn on December 02, 2010, 16:58:40
Can you give us more tips on what to do exactly?? 
All you do is focus on the ringing, and thats it??  Or is there more to it then that??

I've gone through several versions of this, from having no success listening to the ringing while trying to keep my mind still, to listening to the ringing while reaching out for vibrations Robert Monroe style, to just doing nothing but listening to the ringing and letting it happen.  My personal opinion is that the whole key to this is to somehow actually get yourself to fall asleep (really asleep, not just really relaxed) while maintaining just enough awareness in your mind to be aware of what's going on.  If you can do that, everything else seems to just happen naturally. 

I think focussing on the ringing is a really good way to keep your awareness alive while falling asleep.  What you can do while you're concentrating on the ringing is try to make it progressively louder.  This is hard to explain but I think it just comes down to the level of concentration you are giving to the sound.  The more or harder I focus on it, the louder it gets, and louder is good because the vibrations have never kicked in for me until the sound was very loud in my head.  Eventually, the ringing just turns into vibrations, starting at my head and running down to my feet.  Once that happens, if you can keep from getting excited and waking up, you should have an AP. While feeling the vibrations, you can use one of the seperation methods talked about on this site like the rollout, or just imagine a place you want to be in your mind and you should be there (I like this way better, it's easier and it doesn't feel so weird like physically seperating from your body).   

If you're laying there and focussing on the ringing and it's getting loud but nothing's happening, the Monroe way of reaching out with your awareness to pull the vibrations in has worked for me as well.  But honestly, I think it's just a matter of patience and letting it happen. 


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: eflynn on December 02, 2010, 17:07:54
Is the ringing in the ears the actual vibrations of the universe??  Or is it something else?

I've always just assumed it was the normal biological processes going on in our heads.  I've always been able to hear this ringing sound, even when I was little and had no clue what an AP was.  I can hear it even in a crowded room if I try to.  Otherwise, I don't even notice it.  It's always there, I just don't normally pay any attention to it. It makes sense to me that if there are biological processes going on in our heads and inner-ear areas where vibrations are turned into signals and sent to our brains to interpret as sound that there would be some kind of noise we could tune into.   


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on December 03, 2010, 13:31:53
Yup, I tried it last night and focusing on the beep in your ear does bring up very mild vibrations.  I mustve fallen asleep cause I dont remember what happened after 15 minutes or so.  Its also not easy to keep focusing on the earbeep because the mind thends to wander.

I suggest from now on we call it the "earbeep" for lack of better terminology  :-P


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: CFTraveler on December 03, 2010, 15:08:47
I've been calling it 'earhiss' for years and don't plan to change it.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on December 03, 2010, 15:21:19
tinnitus.

granted tinnitus is used to describe a disorder, but the disorder is just an intensified version of this ear hiss sound.  so tinnitus works.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: AlanRK on December 03, 2010, 15:35:13
Earbeep is cute.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: CFTraveler on December 03, 2010, 20:12:44
It sort of reminds me of the coneheads (vintage snl) going 'meep' 'meep'.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on December 04, 2010, 21:39:18
I wonder if the guy who runs this website uses the same earbeep method to achieve AP: http://soundcurrentrider.com/

The term Sound Current rider does seem to suggest this


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on December 09, 2010, 04:08:46
Have a look at this guy's website and tell me if you agree with his findings regarding the astral planes:

http://www.rickrichards.com/Astral.html


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: AlanRK on December 09, 2010, 11:40:11
Have a look at this guy's website and tell me if you agree with his findings regarding the astral planes:

http://www.rickrichards.com/Astral.html
His experiences are legit and I can say I've experienced things pretty much exactly like what he experienced in regards to his negative encounter. I think the conclusions he has drawn from his one negative experience are foolish and not very informed or objective. His experiences are fine, but like many people he has assumed a great many things and as a result his conclusions are flawed heavily. It's quite sad, as it seems like he's one of the many people who starts out but then has one negative experience and is too afraid to project again. It's mind-blowing how much of a disservice these people do to themselves by reacting out of fear like this.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on December 09, 2010, 12:00:45
I had a dream I was at Drew Barrymore's house last night (yes THE Drew Barrymore).  apparently I was suffering from my bad back and she gave me flexeril muscle relaxers.  Damn, I have the weirdest dreams  :-P.  And no, unfortunately I didnt get to sleep with her  :cry:


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on December 09, 2010, 14:57:00
Have a look at this guy's website and tell me if you agree with his findings regarding the astral planes:

http://www.rickrichards.com/Astral.html
I've just started reading it, but I'd like to point out some really keen variables that I feel illustrate some of my points nicely.
He does make some good points that I wish to show here... they're just not points that he knew he was making.  :)

He says:
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Up I soared, but as I flew higher and higher, I started feeling a little apprehensive. High in the atmosphere, I entered some clouds, became disoriented, then somewhat scared. It was at that very moment when I felt scared that I returned to my body.
This is a perfect example of what NOT to do.  He opened his emotions here, obviously unknowingly, and it caused his return.
If he had kept that "apprehensive" in check, he wouldn't have become disoriented, and if he didn't become disoriented he wouldn't have become "somewhat scared"... ending his experience.  He actually would have made it to the moon just fine had he not let his emotions overtake his experience.

This is another great illustration of why you shouldn't let your thoughts get away from you:
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Then, just as I was about to walk through the door, someone or something grabbed my neck from behind. Something was holding me back. Whoever or whatever it was, had me by my throat, as if trying to strangle me.
This is where his troubles began... his thoughts of being "held back" and something trying to "strangle me" really did him in here.
It's VERY IMPORTANT to not jump to conclusions when you're projecting.  This can be very hard to do because we're generally used to doing it here in the physical.

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I turned and fell to the floor. I tried to get up but all my efforts were in vain. Suddenly, I couldn't breath. I started making sounds as if I was choking, albeit I felt no pain or suffering. 'Something is very wrong,' I thought, scared. I turned and tried to crawl back to my bed but I still could not move; The only thing I could manage to do was turn my head and see the foot of my bed.
At this point he's just making things even worse.  Unfortunately, at this point, he's also too far gone that trying to recover from this "fear loop" would be almost impossible.  He'd have to first calm down... and that's not gonna happen.

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I intuitively felt whoever or whatever was holding me down was trying to "KILL" me, or something must be wrong with my physical body. I was scared, very scared. I wanted to return to my physical body. But I couldn't move.

After struggling with this strange paralysis and choke hold for what seemed like about 10 seconds, I finally decided to just completely relax and "will" myself back to my body. A few seconds later, I felt the weight of my physical body. I woke up and immediately felt my face. I remember recalling my name to be sure it was still me inside my body. It was.
Obviously, he was in no real danger the entire time.  His own thoughts and 'conclusion jumping' caused the experience he had.  The only good thing that came out of this was that he DID relax enough to shift back to his body.  But *ALL* of this could have been avoided had he understood beforehand that THOUGHT = DIRECT ACTION.

This is what I try to teach here on the Astral Pulse and is KEY to having enjoyable and spiritually growing experiences.

I'll read on... and perhaps post some more stuff I find in regards to this website if I find more stuff to point out that I feel should assist people in understanding astral mechanics.

EDIT: Ah, reading on... this guy seems to have the "mystical" view of the astral... he seems to be terrified of certain things, and through that, I can totally understand why he thinks the way he does.  IN MY OPINION, he has no firm understanding of what he's doing.  This is why I feel the Astral Pulse is miles ahead of most places.  You're in no danger on the Astral... simple as that really.  The only danger is that which you unwittingly create for yourself.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Fresco on December 09, 2010, 21:37:23
I'm not so much interested in his fears, much more interested in what you guys think of his interpretations re: the astral planes.  
I especially liked the part where he realizes some religions actually get off on watching people 'burn in hell", when really its just a creation of their mind (and messed up interpretation of scriptures)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on December 09, 2010, 21:46:55
I'm not so much interested in his fears, much more interested in what you guys think of his interpretations re: the astral planes.  
I especially liked the part where he realizes some religions actually get off on watching people 'burn in hell", when really its just a creation of their mind (and messed up interpretation of scriptures)
I figured I'd take the opportunity to use it as a learning experience for people wondering.  :)

But yeah...
I don't care for his conclusions.  :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: AlanRK on December 10, 2010, 09:17:00
Mmmm, on the other hand what he experienced could have been another entity which had the intention to scare him away from the astral. I've had very similar experiences to what he has had, but at no point did I feel I was in any danger whatsoever, and the last thing on my mind was a fear for my physical body/detachment from the physical body (such myths are pure fantasized, romanticized nonsense, IMO). He was never in any danger, but I can understand why his fear might have gone into overdrive and persuade him to draw those bad conclusions. Such experiences are immensely painful, I won't lie about that, but honestly it's not "that" bad. Compared to pain here in the physical, it is bearable, it's more shocking than traumatizing, and you can return to your body at the speed of thought. He may make of his experiences what he wishes, but he has no right making presumptious conclusions and then spreading them around on what some might take as a reputable source.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: shanifr on February 05, 2013, 01:58:52
okay, so like... I've tried, and I always fall asleep.  A deep sleep.  A sleep from which I do not gain consciousness again for at least four hours, regardless of whether or not I was tired when I began trying.  You have no idea how much sleep I've received lately because of this.  I think I'm just so excited to astral project that I can't do it.  Then, I read this... and you say exactly that!  I need to try not to think about doing it...but that's SO difficult for me!  I have no idea how I'm supposed to not be so excited.  Also, I've heard that other astral bodies can help me out of my body when I'm in the vibrational state...so I was wondering if any of you would be so kind as to help me out tonight?? haha


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: astralnaut1 on February 05, 2013, 14:43:06
hey i knew this method before and i think i know why it doesnt work for many people. personally i tried this, but got usually into sleep.... i think i should practise meditation.  Here what should help, before trying this method do not  watch TV, internet  videos or any kind of cartoonish images .... keep your mind away from visual pollution. Why? well because when you will lay on your bed and try this method your mind will bombard you with all kinds of images you saw. Those images work like hooks, the more sleepy you feel the more these images will draw your attention and "hook" you ... then you will slip to dream. Just keep your mind as clear as possible

goodluck all  :-)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: MHCS on May 28, 2013, 03:38:07
I really don't want to knock RB, I just feel like he made something that's really kind of simple a lot harder than it had to be.  Personally that created fear in me that caused me to forget more shadow memories.  (mostly dreams)  I was so worried about remembering that I remembered to remember but forgot what I was supposed to remember. 

That's it!!!! Bed time in a few hours...Can't wait...


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Georgit0 on October 20, 2013, 23:55:29
Been trying for so many years... Tonight I'm gonna try it. Wish me good luck.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Georgit0 on October 21, 2013, 13:29:02
Ok Just found out about the Tinitus while using those foam earbuds but there was a time where I wasn't able to hear the Tinitus sound and somehow I wasn't able to fall asleep. After some time I fell asleep but nothing happened..  :oops:


Title: More stories on " How I got out for the first time"
Post by: Deanwttck on November 21, 2013, 02:32:19
I read a post called " how I got out for the first time" and thought it was a wonderful read, offering a different perspective on getting out. I have a ton of vivid dreams, 1 or2 lucid dreams, thats it. I've been trying for 3. Years with no results to have a  OBE , and belive m e ,it's not for lack of trying. I was hoping others could give their experiences on how they got out for the first time, their  method, time of day , etc. I know others who project easily make it sound so simple like : wake up, don't move,keep eyes closed, and poof, your out! For others like myself, it's not that easy, having tried that method, plus many others. If others could respond on how they got out for the first time, it would be really appreciated by myself and countless others who are struggling with this issue. Thanks: dean


Title: Re: More stories on " How I got out for the first time"
Post by: Astralzombie on November 21, 2013, 04:42:26
What made it happen quickly for me was belief. I had two OOBE spontaneously and I believed wholeheartedly that I could have one intentionally.

It can take a long series of realizations or "A-ha" moments to finally see it and then it becomes easy/easier. At least easy enough that you wonder why you never saw it like that before.

In the meantime, have you really done everything that you can?

Are you using affirmations and doing "dream checks" through out the day?

Do you really have your fear and excitement under control? I would imagine that one or the either has prevented you at the last moment on more than a few occasions in three years.

If so, have you taken time off from trying? This is when it finally happens for many people who are struggling.

I'm sure you already know more than you need to in regards to all the techniques. Hopefully someone will say something or use a metaphor that just makes everything fall in place for you. One phrase may be the key to making it "click" for you and unfortunately, no one has a clue as to what it might be.

There are no silver bullets but belief will get you a lot further than lead. :-)



Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Muffinmaster on February 02, 2014, 17:39:43
 :-D Thank you for telling me I will try this as soon as I am a little sleepy!!!  :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: grayjones on March 10, 2014, 03:03:10
I was in the Marine Corp in Vietnam 66-67.  In combat, as a helicopter crew-chief, I left my body many times, via high altitude engine failure, crashes, fire-fights, extreme auto-rotations, base attacks, etc.  Before I share with you the most extreme I'd like to lay in a little background.  I'm assuming most of you have heard the term "scared to death?"  April 27, 1967 my squadron was hit with 300 rockets in an area the size of a football field.  These rockets emit a surround sound scream coming in at 3am pitch dark.  Not until they actually explode elsewhere are you sure they won't hit YOU.  After many imagined deaths, a rocket landed 10' from me and convinced me I'd been hit.  I don't recommend this process for leaving the body:)

Scared to death:  If you twist fear's volume knob all the way you'll run into terror at the other end.  A place where the body gives up fluids and the spirit gives up the body.  I popped out/exteriorized approximately 200' without loosing sight of my body and without knowledge it could be done.  Looking back at my body I felt a deep sorrow for my mother/father and the obligatory telegram announcing I'd been KIA'd.  I felt a strong need to make amends to all the people I'd hurt.  I looked around for somebody else but only felt unimaginable loneliness that I feel to this day.  I looked at the war and realized I was still seeing, hearing, and thinking.  In death I realized, "you can't kill me, I'm not my body, I don't have a soul-I am the soul, I'm immortal."  I realized time doesn't exist for us spirits, that spirits are not somethings but the creator of somethings.  Even though it was the happiest most amazing revelation, my own goodness humbled me.  From there, as a sphere of awareness, I started seeing my past time-track of memories coming in from all directions.  This lifetime, with all the people I'd known by name, past quickly into past lives of familiarity and unwanted amnesia.  By the time I got to the pyramids the memories were coming in so fast I felt I was entering a painful implosion.  I begged for a second chance and got it.  I snapped back into my body and finished the rocket attack dumbfounded without fear.  I don't recommend forced exteriorization, it's not fun, but I'm glad I was able to return and talk about it.  

On my 47th anniversary I feel like it happened a second ago.  I know the old game of governments and bad guys holding bodies hostage with threat of death are over for me.  I feel Mankind's awareness of immortality is the next evolutionary step to a spiritual awareness without amnesia.  And to this end we have much to thank Scientology for they are not confused.  They have technology (processes) that can assist anyone who wants to communicate with and duplicate their own immortality...Semper Fi Nam 66-67  


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Astralzombie on March 10, 2014, 08:17:02
Thank you for sharing your story grayjones and for your sacrifice and service as well. :-D :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Lionheart on March 10, 2014, 09:32:16
First off, Welcome to the Astral Pulse and thank you for sharing.

 Wow, we tell people here they must confront their fears to AP. But you have taken that to a totally new level!   :-o

 I also would like to extend a thank You for your sacrifice and your service!   :-)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Riften77 on March 10, 2014, 12:31:20
Thanks for sharing this. I've been working on having my first conscious OBE for over a year now. I have a crapload of PDF's, copied & pasted info and stuff from the internet about it and I have read Robert B's book "Mastering Astral Projection". I didn't try to follow the 90 program to the letter; I just read the info and tried to incorporate techniques & elements needed to get OOB. I did learn some things from his book though. I also have all 3 of William Buhlman's books, too.

Anyway, your account of how you got out of body was interesting because your account was the first I have read that incorporates what you called "disassociation" from your physical body. I'll have to try that. Oh, and I pasted & copied your post about how you got out for the first time.

But (duh), disassociation from your physical body is definitely an element to getting OOB. Your account was just the first time I saw someone specifically mention that word like you did. Don't you just love it when you overlook the obvious (like I have/am doing)? Hehe

Anyway, thanks for sharing that!  :-)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: dmcgrew77 on March 12, 2014, 04:42:14
I have to do this in secret. I can not be open about it, because my parents would not understand and I would get in trouble...  ^^ so I am sort of the oddball
as far as im concerned, if God did not want us to experience this, he would have made it non existent, since it is here, we should embrace it and learn from it. my family is mainly christian but i was never a church goer not because i didnt believe in God but, because i always felt that if God is so great and mighty, then it would be foolish for me to think the he revealed himself all in one book (bible) when there is so many holy scriptures to read, i would be doing myself a disservice by limiting myself to that....but, its a shame that you cannot tell your folks that you project or at least try to project...i bet they also feel that if you did project you could die from it or someone else could take over your body.....God gave you your soul and your body is the vehicle for it, no one else but God can take it from you period...everyone progresses at the right pace...some slower than others....im a slow learner cause i get too excited when i get the vibrations...ill get over it eventually.......may the force be with you.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Lostlight2013 on March 28, 2014, 14:47:31
You know, it's funny because as i read your post i wanted to throw my palm through my forehead. I tried something precisely like this and i had the strongest pre OBE sensations that i ever had in my life but for some reason, i regarded it as one of those 'good nights'. Seeing as i had a few drinks tonight, i'll wait to give it another go tomorrow! Lol, Awesome post!


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: vigour on March 29, 2014, 21:36:10
Hi guys,

First of all, thanks a lot the forum and building this online community so we can share our experiences, thoughts and ideas... that's my first post in the forum, to share my little experience, but I hope it is only the beginning :)

So.. years ago I was attracted to that kind of stuff by Castaneda and the teachings of Don Juan... little by little I started gathering information, heard about OBE, what it means, got convinces that it actually exists... being convinces is one very important aspect, especially in the modern society where money means everything.. pity...  

So... one night I was practicing all kind of breathing, stretching techniques with the idea that I somehow need to reach the astral plane. No success and eventually I fell asleep... in the middle of the night I woke up to take a leak and almost half asleep went to the toilet to the job... still half asleep returned to bed and started to relax and calm down, while keeping my consciousness alert with the main question... how to reach the plane... at some point I stopped hearing all the night sounds outside my house (no dogs barking, no cars moving... total silence)..  the question was still in my mind... and then... I heard a voice... "Why don't you shoot yourself out?" in that moment I imagined myself sitting in a big cannon gun and fired myself... buuum... my had was full of vibrating sounds... vup vup vup vup... initially I got a little but surprised what the heck is that.. the vibrations slowed down, but I decided to have them... so they came back with higher intensity and at one moment all stopped.. I was feeling a great calmness... opened my eyes and the whole room was in light..

Tried to repeat it for several months without any success... got more books, started to exercise new techniques... nothing helped, until one night when I got to bed quite early (8pm) with the willingness, confidence and objective that I'm going to do it again... At certain point I got multiple paralysis, which scared me and I had to return multiple times, while at one moment I was standing... managed to chaise the fear away and was able to move around my house, even having some fun flowing (had quite many flying dreams and I really enjoyed them in the past)...

So the general conclusion for me is... although all kind of techniques might help to relax, they mean nothing if you are not confident, don't really by your entire being desire to do OBE and without any portion of fear that something might be on the way. It's not important how your body is situated, how many times you do some breading or focusing.. you need willingness, confidence and try to stay focus while falling asleep. All those techniques are meant only to relax your body... you will not get OBE unless you have the will and strong desire. :)  


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: GuyJohnston on April 15, 2014, 02:59:28
Thank You :)

This is almost a deeper mindfulness meditation technique. But on a subconscious level. I will strive for this. I have been a natural lucid dreamer but never had an OBE. By the way, in my opinion. Mindfulness is the ultimate form of experience.

Thanks, Guy :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Blossom on June 30, 2014, 15:12:55
Very very interesting posting here.  Excellent articulate beginning post.  I'll have to try this.. 8-)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on June 30, 2014, 21:05:21
Very very interesting posting here.  Excellent articulate beginning post.  I'll have to try this.. 8-)
Personalreality has a great perspective, I wish he was around more.

As for you!  You've been here since 2002!  Wow... not many veteran posters here anymore.  :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Blossom on July 01, 2014, 06:26:35
Yes, I've been around a while, but STILL LEARNING.  It is a never ending process where I am concerned......  And that's what it's all about.  Keeping your mind open and fresh and willing to accept and learn more.  

I remember Frank, Adrian and Robert in the old days.  I am still in touch with Doc T.  We have corresponded with  each other for 12 years now off and on.  Irwin Weisburg (RIP) is another that I never lost touch with as well, until he passed.  It's a small world and the internet makes it even smaller and more interesting!

I read an article that Adrian and Robert went their separate ways and it led me to come back to astralpulse and astraldynamics and also your other site and register or re-register.  I'm sorry to hear about the parting, but people must follow their own path in life.  We are responsible for ourselves and what we teach and how accepting we are to new things. Adrian is an awesome man! :-o  He led me to a book years and years ago, and the name of it eludes me right now, that I need to dig out of a book shelf somewhere.  It was about the path of life and choices.  It was a series.  Excellent excellent book.  I think this is a good time to re-read it.

But different viewpoints are what makes life so very enjoyable.  No one is really right or wrong.  We just have to find our own path in life and do what we feel is right for ourselves.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on July 01, 2014, 06:48:21
You'll find all that and more here.  I think the place has matured nicely over the 10+ years it's been kicking it. :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: TheWolfofDreams on August 27, 2014, 01:26:20
Hello! I'm new around here, and I'm also a new student to my awakening. I've learned so much so quickly from so many different members of the Astral Projection community. (Before you read, understand I have yet to try personalreality's method.)
As well, so many interesting stories and accounts of AP and OBEs in this thread. This is amazing we can all come together peacefully to learn, explore, and share. Anyway...

I'm having several problems and I could really use some help.
I have ADD and this keeps my mind running almost 24/7, I'm incredibly creative and thoughtful as well. These... AREN'T helpful traits when trying to meditate or AP. Yet, it gets worse.

1. When I'm trying to clear my mind and relax and focus. My concentration is often broken easily, not as much by my own thoughts, but by my own thoughts, they come in like a wrecking ball, they're very powerful.
2. I often get very slight twitches, not that I normally twitch, but I'll be laying down and without control, my leg will move maybe 1 cm, and that scares me that I've ruined the whole thing and I obviously fail at this negative-excitement, my heart soaked in disappointment.
3. Concentration is not my forte. I don't know what to focus on, so many different 'techniques' I try visualization and that doesn't help either. And even then, my job isn't to focus on anything, just to calm my mind. (See problem 1)
4. Lastly, I move my eyes when they're shut sometimes, and it scares me that- once again- I ruined the whole process. And I just go to bed or slug around in self-shame.

I worry, because, unlike lots of people, I don't FEEL my energy. I know and understand chakra and human energy. However, throughout this whole awakening I've been having, I have yet to experience and really feel these things. And I understand that as a human- a species with amnesia- I haven't practiced or trained with energies since I've been alive. My family never talked about such things, and if I did have the power as a child, as most children do, then I've lost it over the years. I digress, but I love to digress. I don't FEEL energy, and I have a hard time concepting Oneness with the universe.
(On the flipside to this, I HAVE had a spiritual connection with my dog, who has in the past channeled thoughts and emotions to me in an attempt to understand why it takes more than 10 seconds to go to the store.)

I know as humans we all have the power but I'm just worried.
Probably an overreaction, I just want to learn so bad that it hurts.

All I seek is wisdom and understanding. If anyone can help that'd be great.  :-(


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: sirkgarf on October 17, 2014, 20:49:20
Ok guys I'm new to this forum and this is my first post so before I go to the main topic, let me introduce myself. Im a 20 years old male from Bulgaria (so sorry about my bad english). Im not religious but I'm interesten about my existence and I do believe in OBE because I had it twice few years ago. I know some people are prejudiced about all that and think it's only people who are drug dependent believes in OBE that's why I have to say I do not use any drugs and never been using. I don't drink alchohol and doesnt even smoke cigarettes.
   My first OBE I experienced about 7-8 years ago. This is one of the most significant moments of my life i could never forget. I never planned it or something, it just happend while I was sleeping. I was watching myself from the corner of my room and meanwhile I've been hearing some voices.
   The second one happend 1 or 2 years ago, again unwanted. In my OBE I was out of my apartment and was flying around the city. This one  lasted just a few minutes.
   Since these 2 encounters I started to be interested in AP/OBE. First I found the Monroe's book. Everything there seemed to be so easy, so I decided to try. It hasn't been much of sucssess, so i continiued with my searcing. Then I've saw some other methods in internet but they didnt't help me either.
    I finally started to think if this is real and those books are not just a science fiction and decided to find out if there are other people who practice this "skill". At that point, yesterday I found this forum. I read some topics and eventually found this one. I tought it's really easy method so I decided to try sometime. I went to bed the same night. It wasn't really quiet at home so I decided to try it another day, but later that night about 4-5 AM I woke up. Everyone was sleeping, I was realxed so I tried it. I lay down on my back, closed my eyes and started to listen to this noise in my ears while watching in the dark spot behind my eyelids.
   The noise kept getting louder and clearer. For some reason I started to hear a song in my head along with that noise (the song was Satisfy my soul by Bob Marley, no idea why). Both the song and the noise became loud and clear like as I was listening them with my ears. Then when they became most clear I suddenly felt the "vibrations" It wasn't like most people describe it. They didn't increase slowly, or I just didn't feel them while I was listening to the song. The vibration came so strong for like just a second and then BANG! I heard a cracking sound. I can't really describe it but it mostly sounded like when you switching channels on an old TV. After that cracking sound I felt myself lighter. I opened my eyes (not sure if pysical or not) and saw the room. I tried to move but I was paralysed. I was really scared and decided to end this. I closed my eyes and felt these vibrations rapidly decreasing. Then I was able to move again. I was very scared so I turned myself on one side and tied to fall asleep. I tried to fall asleep for like 30 minutes but every time i was closing my eyes I started feeling these vibrations slowly increasing. Somehow i stopped them and managed to fall asleep.

I want to try this again, but I've read a lot of scary things so I want to hear your opinion guys.
First I've heard that there is a chance if I "go out" to never come back. Like being stuck in this non physical world.
Second, there are rumors that you can die doing this.
And last Is there a chance for some so called "deamon" to get in my body while Im out.

I might sound stupid and newbie but i really need your answers and opinions about this.

Thanks for reading.  :-)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: soarin12 on October 18, 2014, 02:23:19
Hi Sirkgarf.  Welcome to the Pulse!  :)  No, you can't die, get possessed by a demon, or fail to come back to your body.  Those are all ridiculous rumors.  Maybe if a person had a bad heart condition in which getting scared could give them a heart attack, then they could die.  But that could just as easily happen in a nightmare or by getting a scare in the physical. 

The loud 'bang!'  - I know it well lol.  It happens to everyone from time to time who does conscious projections.  Also on the list of annoyances - visual, tactile and other audible hallucinations.  You need to train yourself to completely ignore those things.  They can't hurt you.  As soon as you are 'out of body'  all of that creepy stuff will be gone and you'll be free to enjoy your experience.  The hallucinations will diminish with time.  Many say they are a sort of 'fear test' to see if you're ready for non-physical reality.  You need to pass the test.  Just keep practicing.  It'll all work itself out.  :) 


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: LightBeam on October 18, 2014, 02:53:31
Zdrasti sirkgarf   :wink:

Don't believe these rumors. They are not true. You need to reprogram your mind set, release your fears of the unknown and start enjoying trips to "the other side" LOL. You are lucky, you had already found your method (early morning technique), which works great for you. So, all you have to do is go through the motion with the vibration and sleep paralysis stage. To release your fears, I suggest before bed, do some affirmations that you are totally protected and nothing can harm you in the astral. You control the experiences with your thoughts and intent. Remember that. Also, when the vibes start, don't linger too long in this stage, because your fear will only grow stronger and you may wake up yourself physically, which will prevent a successful AP. So, quickly think that you are standing next to the door for example, imagine yourself there and the next moment you will find yourself teleported so to speak in spirit in the astral. Some people imagine rolling out of body, or standing up, but that is not necessary. Your thoughts teleport you. I recommend reading William Buhlman's books. Monroe did not help me either in my earlier attempts.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: sirkgarf on October 18, 2014, 08:25:04
Zdravei Lightbeam :lol:

What about going back to physical? Is there anything to know about it, or some technique, or it's like natural instinct once im "there".


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: LightBeam on October 18, 2014, 15:27:46
Zdravei Lightbeam :lol:

What about going back to physical? Is there anything to know about it, or some technique, or it's like natural instinct once im "there".

Most of the time, when your physical body does not need more sleep, you will wake up and your AP will end. But if you want to end it consciously, just think about returning. Nothing to worry about. Usually people have problems with too short APs :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: sirkgarf on October 18, 2014, 16:04:16
If I wake up this night I will try to "get out" again. I will try to face this other reality without fear. As a newbie I'd like to ask what are the limits of the AP. I mean I've read in Monroe's book that you can move through walls. Is this really true and will I be able to moove freely in my first tries.

Edit: Also, Can this AP affect my physical and mental condition in a bad or a good way?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: LightBeam on October 18, 2014, 16:36:47
If I wake up this night I will try to "get out" again. I will try to face this other reality without fear. As a newbie I'd like to ask what are the limits of the AP. I mean I've read in Monroe's book that you can move through walls. Is this really true and will I be able to moove freely in my first tries.

Edit: Also, Can this AP affect my physical and mental condition in a bad or a good way?

From my own experiences I can tell that I am benefiting mentally and physically. As far as limitations, your own thoughts and beliefs can create limits, barriers, manifest fears, etc. So if you believe you cant get through walls, then you may not be able to. You are the creator and navigator, and not the environment. Intent also plays a huge role while observing the higher frequency worlds. Always, go with positive attitude, excitement, set goals before hand, so you remember what you wanted to test or experience, and don't fully believe everything you read, because everyone's experiences are different based on personality, state of mind, etc. You manipulate with your thoughts the environment and experience, so it will be a reflection of your expectations.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: sirkgarf on October 18, 2014, 16:44:21
This sounds completely mind blowing. It's hard for me to understand that we all expirience the same thing but everyone sees and is able to do different things and that my beliefs and thoughts actually change the reality "there". Maybe because I'm used to the physical world where we all can do the same.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: LightBeam on October 18, 2014, 16:53:00
Yep, forget about the laws of the physical world. Keep a very open mind.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: sirkgarf on October 18, 2014, 17:59:26
Ok thanks for helping me. I will try again as soon as i get the chance. :-)

Edit: I'd like to ask If it's necessarily to use diamonds or other stones. I've read some of you use them.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Onthepulse on November 12, 2014, 07:41:12
Wow. I must say that this has been getting to be the closest I have got. I have been trying now for a couple of years on and off and trying different methods which have all failed.
This way unfortunately I have had disturbed peace whilst trying to focus but I am going to get some ear plugs which should help.
Thanks man great tips.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: sirkgarf on November 24, 2014, 17:25:20
Yesterday i juat had a second "almost" succsessful try. This time I was in that "near sleep" condition when I can still think conciously. Then I started thinking for OBE and i said to myself that I want to expirience it. Then suddenly I felt the falling sensation and right after that the vibrations started very hard. I couldnt handle it and they reduced. Then i tried second time. They came strong and I felt so light. Tried to move but I was paralised. Then I imagine myself flying from the roof to outside and it happend. I juat saw the sky and the vibrations rapidly reduced, my view bluried and I woke up conciously. I dont know if the flight was real or just a hallucination but the vibrations were real just like before. For some reaaon I can't go further bit I willl continiue. This is the best technique for me.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: phoenix_9 on November 27, 2014, 00:23:33


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They say a pictures worth a thousand words.  :-D
NICE


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: FuzzyQuills on April 22, 2015, 11:49:30
Thanks for all these good tips! Will try when I get home. (Or, like others have said here, "Not try!" ;))

I have gotten close to it before, but more often than not, I end up falling asleep and having a false awakening instead! (The times I tried were all early morning, and annoyingly, all of my false awakenings are of me trying to project out... :D)

Again, will see if I get good results with this.

I reckon this quote describes your method well:
"Do or do not, there is no try..."
-Yoda, Star Wars


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: IsayWhaat on April 22, 2015, 21:07:41
Here's my first experience.

That day I decided to hit gym after 3 years of doing apsolutely 0 training. Been there for 2 hours, and to say I was tired is an understatement. I couldn't wait to hit bed and fall asleep. I wasn't thinking about AP or other dreams, I just wanted to rest. When I layed in bed, my body felt 2 times heavier. Within seconds I couldn't move, neither I wanted to. I was so worn out I couldn't move a finger. Literally. It didn't take too long. After a minute or two, I started feeling this incredible vibrations all over my body. I understood what they meant and I just let them vibrate. Vibrations lasted for 15 seconds before my conciousness started separating. I started going up and found myself around 20cm above my body, floating. I still kept my eyes shut closed, it wasn't right time to open them. That's when I decided to say a phrase I use to say before I went to bed, when I was practising meditation and lucidity; "I'm conciousness and I'm projecting. I'm experiencing the non-physical. I'm ready." The second I said I'm ready, I started going backwards, I wasn't falling, I literally went backwards, I was travelling backwards. I went around 100-150m back (around 5-6 seconds) when I felt completely positive I'm in non-physical. I felt stability and I opened my eyes.

I was on some dirt road. In front of me (where I supposedly came from) were woods. I was surrounded with incredibly green meadows and sky, oh man, sky was beautiful. It was changing colours! I think I spent good 5 minutes just looking at it. That's when I started flying and enjoyed myself for good 20 minutes. It almost felt like I'm on some quest, exploaring. It was amazing. I had few AP's after this one, bunch of lucid dreams and one projection what you would probably refer to as OBE. No matter how many times I read about it, no matter how normal it is, when you see YOURSELF lying on bed, your body sleeping, that's one of the most uncomfortable feelings in world. It just doesn't feel right and tends to ruin your stability. I don't separate my experiences, it's much easier like that, but can't describe them well with words if you don't know what is what.

Either way, after every single lucid experience, I had false awakening. I want to wake up and I can't. I just restart my lucidity, I'm on my bed, leaving body, again. Sometimes 3-4 times in row. Usually to a point where I lose my lucidity. So, I wanted to ask you, if some of you use it. Do you have any object in real life that can't or won't work in non-physical no matter what? Something I can use as reality check? It's hard to distinguish reality from dreams just by thinking about it, not after 4th false awakening  :roll:.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: FuzzyQuills on April 23, 2015, 04:43:34
For reality checks, I read somewhere you can try forcing your finger through your palm... ;) Doing that in the real world wouldn't work, but doing it in a dream with enough effort proves to be effective in deciding whether you're in a dream or not! :)

I actually can feel if I am in a dream, and there was one time where I tried to slap myself awake from a false awakening, but my body's energy must have shot up because before my hand connected with my face, I woke up for real... :D

As for how I did this technique, I haven't been able to do it properly yet. (Fell dead asleep last night, and this morning I didn't have much time to do anything!) When I do get an opportunity, will report back! :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: BranStark on April 23, 2015, 10:35:04
You know what's tricky, though? When you do a reality check and still fail to recognise it as a dream. :-D Happened to me many times. :-(


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: FuzzyQuills on April 23, 2015, 10:38:02
@BranStark: Well, I did read that happens sometimes! :) Must be annoying when you think you just hit a gold mine of an opportunity for something then you wake up... :D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: FuzzyQuills on April 24, 2015, 05:28:47
Ok, here's what's happened to me so far doing this one:

Basically, I attempted it last night, but was too tired and fell asleep (Wrong timing... :D)

But then I woke up fairly early this morning, and thought while lying there that this was a perfect time to try again. I did... and after a couple of minutes, ONE EAR closed up and started whining, so I was close!

But then I had to go to the damn toilet, and after that, I was too awake to be able to get back to what I was doing, so... At least I made progress! :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: FuzzyQuills on April 24, 2015, 11:10:17
Ok, once I am home, I will try again! :) (And that's in about 1 1/2 hours! :D)

As for why I am posting anyway, been considering an energy crystal like some others have been using to help them project longer. Didn't even think such an object could help amplify your natural energies. Also had no idea AP/OBE had a 'fuel tank' like how personalreality described it... :D

Now obviously, a dedicated gemstone is probably going to be better, but if you simply came across a particularly unusual rock and it had the right qualities, would that do the job as well? Would rather "find" my special rock than have to purchase one, that's all. ;)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Szaxx on April 24, 2015, 19:26:50
If you made yourself as the gemstone,  it'd still work. Its the belief you need something extra that's slowing you a little. Believe in yourself and it shall be so.
Good luck.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: IsayWhaat on April 24, 2015, 20:52:00
Fuel? What fuel?  :? Mah, nevermind.

About false awakening. It's not easy to just try and push finger through your palm, I mean, if I believe in dream I'm not dreaming then obviously I won't be able to push the finger through my palm even if I'm dreaming. (I hope this sentence makes sense)

I was thinking a watch maybe? Like pocket watch or something that I can look at for around 20-30seconds and if nothing happens I'm awake, if it does I'm not. I never tried it, but I read that it's really hard to see numbers when dreaming, even if you focus hard and try to see them? Is it true?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on April 24, 2015, 22:53:33
There is no "fuel tank".  Unless you want to call "focus" your fuel tank.  You lose focus... you lose your projection... you snap back to your default reality (this one).


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: FuzzyQuills on April 25, 2015, 12:44:55
@Szaxx: Not sure how that would work, but fair enough... it was more for energy exercises. :)
@IsayWhat: "Fuel? What fuel?  huh Mah, nevermind.

About false awakening. It's not easy to just try and push finger through your palm, I mean, if I believe in dream I'm not dreaming then obviously I won't be able to push the finger through my palm even if I'm dreaming. (I hope this sentence makes sense)

I was thinking a watch maybe? Like pocket watch or something that I can look at for around 20-30 seconds and if nothing happens I'm awake, if it does I'm not. I never tried it, but I read that it's really hard to see numbers when dreaming, even if you focus hard and try to see them? Is it true?"
Well, the reading whatch thing works because the brain's reading/writing parts shut down when you're asleep, likewise, you can't read stuff in a dream... :D
@Xanth: What I meant was something personalreality said; he was mentioning a car's fuel tank as an analogy to using energy exercises to boost the amount of time one can be out for. Just head to pages 5-6 and read them, this is where I got my info from, and yea, it probably is just focus, I just like to call it "fuel" as that's how PR explained it. ;)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Xanth on April 25, 2015, 19:51:45
@Xanth: What I meant was something personalreality said; he was mentioning a car's fuel tank as an analogy to using energy exercises to boost the amount of time one can be out for. Just head to pages 5-6 and read them, this is where I got my info from, and yea, it probably is just focus, I just like to call it "fuel" as that's how PR explained it. ;)
I understand, I just firmly disagree.  :)
"Energy" (as a subjective label in itself) plays no role in your ability to actually project.

You're projecting right this very second... energy plays no role in that.  You don't magically cease to stop projecting just because you run out of something you're subjectively calling "energy".

That's my point.  :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: IsayWhaat on April 26, 2015, 01:28:28
@Szaxx: Not sure how that would work, but fair enough... it was more for energy exercises. :)
@IsayWhat: "Fuel? What fuel?  huh Mah, nevermind.

About false awakening. It's not easy to just try and push finger through your palm, I mean, if I believe in dream I'm not dreaming then obviously I won't be able to push the finger through my palm even if I'm dreaming. (I hope this sentence makes sense)

I was thinking a watch maybe? Like pocket watch or something that I can look at for around 20-30 seconds and if nothing happens I'm awake, if it does I'm not. I never tried it, but I read that it's really hard to see numbers when dreaming, even if you focus hard and try to see them? Is it true?"
Well, the reading whatch thing works because the brain's reading/writing parts shut down when you're asleep, likewise, you can't read stuff in a dream... :D
@Xanth: What I meant was something personalreality said; he was mentioning a car's fuel tank as an analogy to using energy exercises to boost the amount of time one can be out for. Just head to pages 5-6 and read them, this is where I got my info from, and yea, it probably is just focus, I just like to call it "fuel" as that's how PR explained it. ;)

Legit, so pocket watch will work? Imma cry if I can read numbers in non-physical and fail to realize I'm still asleep.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: FuzzyQuills on April 26, 2015, 10:08:47
@Xanth: Fair enough then, you're probably right. :D Speaking of which, I plan to attempt again soon. Wish me luck! :)

@IsayWhat: Actually, I can tell you firsthand that a clock doesn't work in a dream; One time when i had a false awakening, I went out to the kitchen to check the time, but the numbers on the oven were gone! :D So yes, a pocket watch, especially a digital one, will work as a reality check. Of course, if your oven has a clock on it... That works too. :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: IsayWhaat on April 26, 2015, 19:22:32
@Xanth: Fair enough then, you're probably right. :D Speaking of which, I plan to attempt again soon. Wish me luck! :)

@IsayWhat: Actually, I can tell you firsthand that a clock doesn't work in a dream; One time when i had a false awakening, I went out to the kitchen to check the time, but the numbers on the oven were gone! :D So yes, a pocket watch, especially a digital one, will work as a reality check. Of course, if your oven has a clock on it... That works too. :)

Yes, thank you. Today I had false awakening as well, I didn't have a clock to check so I decided to push my finger through my palm and guess what? I couldn't! But still I realized I wasn't wide awake and proceeded to have a lucid dream :P


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: sirkgarf on June 05, 2015, 00:20:38
I still have a problem and can't seem to finish the whole process. This morning I had a falling feeling and I tried to exit but i woke up paralysed. I was laying on my side and watching at my hands and tried to move them. I had the feeling they are moving but they really didnt. I tried to turn myself on my back while I was paralysed but I felt this like a big effort and like I don't have the strenght to do it. So I just closed my eyes and then woke up not paralysed. What else can i do to be able to exit while paralysed?  :?


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Lumaza on June 05, 2015, 00:37:00
 Sirkgarf, do you remember this post from Nov 24th 2014? "Yesterday i juat had a second "almost" succsessful try. This time I was in that "near sleep" condition when I can still think conciously. Then I started thinking for OBE and i said to myself that I want to expirience it. Then suddenly I felt the falling sensation and right after that the vibrations started very hard. I couldnt handle it and they reduced. Then i tried second time. They came strong and I felt so light. Tried to move but I was paralised. Then I imagine myself flying from the roof to outside and it happend. I juat saw the sky and the vibrations rapidly reduced, my view bluried and I woke up conciously. I dont know if the flight was real or just a hallucination but the vibrations were real just like before. For some reaaon I can't go further bit I willl continiue. This is the best technique for me."

 What did you do then that you didn't do now? Pay particular attention to this line here "Then I imagine myself flying from the roof to outside and it happend. I juat saw the sky and the vibrations rapidly reduced, my view bluried and I woke up conciously."

 You created an intent and found yourself there. No matter how brief it was, you were still successful. Intent is the "key" that you were missing this on your recent attempt.

 Everything that you stated today was based on your "physical focus". You found yourself in the proper mode to actually project, but then you turned your focus back on your physical body and what was being experienced. Instead, you should have just once again "imagined" a scenario, like flying to a roof top for example. This would have created an intent away from your physical body awareness, that could have been achieved.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: sirkgarf on June 05, 2015, 01:14:57
Yes maybe this is the key. Even though I am not scared when Im paralysed anymore, looks like it's still a huge barrier for me. I will try to control my focus next time this happend. The thing is that I cant really start projecting intetionally and most times these expiriences happend randomly when Im not ready or prepared.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Lumaza on June 05, 2015, 03:18:16
Yes maybe this is the key. Even though I am not scared when Im paralysed anymore, looks like it's still a huge barrier for me. I will try to control my focus next time this happend. The thing is that I cant really start projecting intetionally and most times these expiriences happend randomly when Im not ready or prepared.
It's a huge barrier for anyone new to this practice. Actually, I have to admit, I have personally still to this day become aware I was in Sleep Paralysis and stop it due to fear. It happens. When I hear someone say that they had the vibrations or awoken in SP but stopped it, I know it's the fear that overcame them. They don't like to admit it, but it's the truth.

 Just when you think you have seen everything, it changes. I have recently become consciously aware in some of the most bizarre forms of SP and immediately stopped it. Fear overcame me. This is very unusual for me because normally I will just observe it and find myself in another place. I don't necessarily have to make an intent now. I just trust what I am being shown and where I am being led. But, this has come after many many successful projected adventures. This new SP that I am experiencing is very powerful. It seems like more of a huge energy pulse than a normal SP episode.
 
 They say the opposite of "Love" is "Hate". I personally believe it's "Fear". Fear is just as strong as Love is. Fear overcomes you. Fear challenges you. But, it's the single most important thing to overcome if you wish to progress with this practice. The only way to overcome it is to confront it head on. Once again, easy to say, very hard to do!


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Blossom on September 10, 2015, 20:49:33
@Xanth:
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"Energy" (as a subjective label in itself) plays no role in your ability to actually project.

Okay, I have a question.  I am taking you literal here. I realize this is an old thread and things change but based on "energy plays no role on being able to project", --> Is it's purpose merely to prepare you mentally or help relax you so you can get in the right state of mine in order to obe??  Is it only just a way to relax?  Or is it even necessary?

This might be one of those things that has been misinterpreted by me for years.  In all the RB stuff I've read and studied, plus many other authors, I had alway thought this was sort of a prerequisite to obe. Now reading that one statement, I feel like I am having some sort of "eureka moment" and i don't want to misinterpret what I think you mean..

I  just need a little expansion on this if you have a moment.

edit:  I got out my Astral Dynamics book to see where I got this idea that raising energy was necessary and one spot in the book is the last paragraph in chapter 9.  (I have the 1rst version of the book with the lotus on the front cover).

It says basically to 'effectively manipulate our energy body, you use body awareness with tactile imaging'.

I have tried doing that for 10 yrs without success.  I have had three full blown obe's prior to that without any tactile imaging. My obe's were prior to having ever heard/read about tactile imaging.  My problem is replicating how I did it or figuring out how I did it.  RB was the first author I found in my quest so I bought everything he wrote.  I am thinking either I misunderstood what Bruce was talking about or something else ..  I'm not sure.  Maybe my confusion is that of the original poster -- confusion over what the energy body really is..

One other spot in the book is the first paragraph of chapter 13.  "Raising energy is an essential part of stimulating, developing and powering the higher function of the energy body, including out of body projection".

These two examples in this particular book make the reader (or me) feel like raising energy is necessary in some form or another for an obe to occur. My understanding based on RB was that you had to stimulate the energy body through energy for that obe to happen.

I'm just asking for clarification and wondering if I misinterpreted  RB's meaning.--?? I have reached a point in my own beliefs that I am more open now.  I do not think there is only "one expert".. Everyone who has successfully obe'd is an expert. I have expanded my horizons so to speak and I'm just asking for your expert opinion, with all due respect.

I want to add one more thing. I don't believe anything is absolutely right or absolutely wrong.  But there are different ways of viewing the same thing.  And sometimes that slight variation makes the difference. That variation is what I am looking for.

Jenn


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: saksare on September 17, 2015, 13:00:54
Hello Guys!

First of all, I ain't a native so please tolerate my English a bit  :-D

I will start from the beginning. I have been researching the OBE for at least 3 months and this phenomenon really fascinated me a lot. I have been trying to have an induced OBE for the last 2 months; I tried binaural beats, OBE techniques, meditation and you name it; but everything went in vain. Today I was thinking about my nephew who was diagnosed with infantile spasms when he was just 7 months and he still can't even walk, speak or even eat by himself(he is now 5 years old but he is like that 3 months old kid). I planned to heal him with astral projection (it was a stupid idea because I am not an AP expert). So I put my phone in airplane mode, switched on the beats and put on my headphones. After like 20 minutes, I felt like I am gonna sleep so I removed my headphones, forgot about OBE and went to sleep(at 11:15 a.m). After a while I felt like I was awake but still sleeping (kind of Lucid dream feeling). I then started trying to get out of my body.. I knew I was sleeping but I started rolling on bed from one side to another, I even remember I could feel the foam of my bed while moving. I kept doing it but after a while I started getting back to awake state (may be due to excitement) but I thought to myself I have to stay here. So I again started rolling and suddenly succeeded to get out. I remember I hardly flew out of my house when I again realized I am having an OBE so I was pulled back into my body but not completely into it. I was floating around it but I was unable to go further away. Then I focused on the ceiling fan and started giving my body synchronized oscillations (I don't know if it is similar to vibrations or not). So that oscillation again helped to go out and this time I managed to get far away. I remember there was nothing that was pulling me back actually (as many first timers feel it) but I think it was my excitement that pulled me back to conscious state again and again. I faced this pulling two more times but I used oscillations both the times and managed to get out again. The fourth time I managed to be stable and started flying around. Suddenly, I remembered I was planning to try healing my nephew and I started flying towards his house (that is almost 6-7 km from my house). I remember I was flying over the highway. I could feel the traffic but nothing was too distinct. While I was flying over the highway, I was again disturbed by my excitement factor but I started moving my arms like I was swimming in the air. This was so much wonderful feeling and I never wanted to leave this feeling. After a while I reached my nephew's home but I found it different. It wasn't as it is in real life. There was a small door I had to go through. When I entered the door, there was a small lobby and I hardly could even pass through it and it was full of medication bottles and tablets that my nephew is having(for the last 4 years) for his treatment. I tried passing through the lobby but a syrup bottle fell down and broke. I don't remember if it hit me or what but the end result was that I couldn't enter his house. So I had a bad feeling in me and came back to my home. After that I kept flying in my own room, gave myself oscillations and rolled over my bed for a long time as it was giving me an amazing feeling. I was having fun when I suddenly remembered I had to pick my mom at 2 pm (in real life :D) so I looked at the clock and it was 12 pm. I was astonished to see that I have been hanging around just for 30-40 minutes. So it created doubt in my mind and I came back into my body. The thing that shocked me the most was the time that I saw on my clock in real life. It was exactly 12 pm :O... I wasn't sure if I had a dream or an OBE but when I matched the time, it really shocked me. One thing that was different this time; I was deeply relaxed like I had slept for 10 hours. So I thought of posting my experience in front of you guys. Now I have a few things in my mind, I'll be grateful if someone helps me with my questions:

1. First question is definitely what you expect.. was it an OBE? or just a dream?
2. Why couldn't I enter my nephew's home? I know its an odd question but any comments are welcome.
3. Giving myself oscillation a good idea? Is it similar to vibrations?
4. Do you think the beats played a role in inducing this OBE (if it is an OBE)?

Please guide me guys and welcome me to great people like you :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Szaxx on September 17, 2015, 16:43:13
Welcome Saksare,
Your description fits quite well. The closer you are to the sleeping body the more 'interference' you can experience.
As you had noticed excitement affected your experience, this is normal too.
It would appear that trying to heal someone can only be done by those with experience. That is obvious lol. If you  haven't mastered the skill in the NP, you may have been unable to access his home for this reason. When you think about guides looking after us, it speaks for itself. You don't hire a baker to do your plumbing lol.
The beats only help relax you and at best put your brainwaves into the correct frequencies. They help by removing interfering noises too.

Your mission was driven by intent and you never doubted yourself. This alone is a great help to any attempt. As thoughts manifest, yours were precise and you successfully made the exit. The mission may require more learning on healing. That's the only part you missed out on.
Great try.
Your English is very good too.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: FuzzyQuills on September 18, 2015, 15:38:10
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First of all, I ain't a native so please tolerate my English a bit  grin
Dat first line... :D Like szaxx said, your english is actually pretty good! You in Australia by any chance?

As for you experience, that is quite amazing! I definitely think you actually got out, judging by how you were able to move around.

And you know, if anything, your story is what has inspired me to try again soon, tonight maybe! :) Good luck in future travels, there is a lot to learn my friend. ;)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: saksare on September 20, 2015, 00:53:01
Welcome Saksare,
Your description fits quite well. The closer you are to the sleeping body the more 'interference' you can experience.
As you had noticed excitement affected your experience, this is normal too.
It would appear that trying to heal someone can only be done by those with experience. That is obvious lol. If you  haven't mastered the skill in the NP, you may have been unable to access his home for this reason. When you think about guides looking after us, it speaks for itself. You don't hire a baker to do your plumbing lol.
The beats only help relax you and at best put your brainwaves into the correct frequencies. They help by removing interfering noises too.

Your mission was driven by intent and you never doubted yourself. This alone is a great help to any attempt. As thoughts manifest, yours were precise and you successfully made the exit. The mission may require more learning on healing. That's the only part you missed out on.
Great try.
Your English is very good too.

Hello Szaxx!
Thanks mate for coming up with answers and trust me they really helped me. I tried again to AP but didn't make it. I think I am over excited by the amazing experience. It would definitely take me time to master this thing and do it whenever I want to. I am working on it and I have no reason to disappoint me after my first experience. Wish me good luck.. Thanks again for guiding mate.. :)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: tomek on October 21, 2015, 11:42:33
While I grump and complain, I also have a philosophical understanding that all is as it should be.  People have lessons to learn and this seems to be the way they do it.  I am learning to stop being judgmental and to accept that others have their path for a reason.

I just had a similar conversation with a friend of mine who naturally has OBEs and talks to entities (i.e. guides and angels). We tend to use our small perspective on how the things should be. We seem unhappy but many people succeed in the system like this, therefore it must be working. Although it may seem that things are going to the dogs, it's a work in progress. We are not there yet, and judging the day before the dawn may be unwise. This is my personal opinion; an opinion of extremely grumpy and judgmental individual :-D :-D


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: AstralPhreak on November 14, 2015, 05:17:30
That was pretty detailed post you wrote. I hope you wont stop there , because if you liked that, that feeling, that drowsiness when you are transitioning from physical to astral state there is so much you can enjoy more. I guess you went through the vibration stage of the projection, how was it for you? When i first got in that stage, it was one of the weirdest things in my life. Fear, peace, power everything just hitting me at once. I am trying to look remote and trying to write that down as soon as i wake up. Still trying to perfect that tecnique  :-)


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on January 15, 2016, 03:59:39
FuzzyQuills,

I noticed something on pg 14 that you quoted me from about a "fuel tank", and I will say (since I haven't yet gone back and read what I actually said originally), I defer to Xanth always.

Xanth's perspective has so many similarities to my own that I am fully comfortable in letting him speak for me in most cases.

However, I'm gonna go read that page and see what I said. It's been several years, so many I have a different perspective now.

To everyone else who has found this to be a useful post, I'm very happy about that.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: personalreality on January 15, 2016, 04:16:35
Quills,

I didn't see that post, but I'll give you my perspective on what I suspect you're talking about with Xanth...or were last spring, lol.

In my out of body experiences I could only ever maintain the state for a limited amount of time, a few minutes maybe. So, an easy analogy was to express the experience as something running on energy or "fuel". If you have enough energy available, you stay out longer. In a sense, that is true. But perhaps not in the sense that was expressed in my post. We can still use that metaphor, but now your fuel tank is more like a measure of control that you have over the focus of your perception. So it's not something that you fill up regularly with some ambiguous energy. Rather it's like a power generator that your fill up and will keep running with minimal energy requirements.

I don't like this metaphor. Scrap it.

It's just about practice. When you first start these expeditions of the mind, your focus of attention is habituated into your normal, everyday physical perception. Because of this, it's harder to keep your focus on the so-called "out of body" perceptual experiences. However, over time, and with practice and repeated experiences, maintaining your focus on the "out of body" perceptions becomes easier. it's not a function of energy, it's a function of ability. once you learn it, you'll be able to stay out practically indefinitely if you so choose. of course, if you stop for an extended time, you'll have to "refresh the fuel tank". but it will come back quickly.

Yea.
So trust Xanth.


Title: Re: How I Got Out For The First Time
Post by: Astralcat on September 04, 2017, 23:52:41
Thanks for this - I've been trying to astral project for a few years now using various techniques so I'll give this one a go :)