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Title: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 22, 2010, 17:18:47
For the past 6 months, I have had access to the astral realm by closing my eyes! I don't astral project....I simply close my eyes and I'm there! There are usually a bunch of beings around me and I can't hear what their saying, but if I ask a yes or no question, they'll nod either yes or no! Also, they are able to touch me.....I mean physically.....I can't touch them though! I know this sounds crazy, but it's very real! When I meditate, they stand on both sides of me and sometimes participate in my meditations or just watch......I think! When I go bed at night......some beings seem to have a sexual interest in me, which is a little freaky, but I've learned to calm down & just decline the sexual aspect.
Has anyone had an experience like this........??????


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on March 22, 2010, 17:29:49
First, for clarification...
Do you mean "Astral" or "Etheric"?
Etheric being the plane closest to the Physical.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 22, 2010, 17:47:50
Good question as to whether it's astral or etheric.....I mean....some of the beings look human and some not! When I meditate, the light values are bright....almost a white-gold! But when I close my eyes, the light value is much darker! I've been trying to figure this out for awhile and have tried to ask people who might know, without getting a lot of "you know"......silly responses! One person told me to "go within".....I mean isn't that what one does during meditation? I still have no definitive answers to this and I need to know what it is & why! I would sincerely appreciate any ideas or suggestions !!!

Thank you......


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on March 22, 2010, 18:10:11
Well, do you see these beings in relation to the physical world around you?

Are you seeing "just them" or other "structures" too that you wouldn't normally see?


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 22, 2010, 18:20:54
When I close my eyes, it is an entirely different world from the physical....there are no structures, houses, buildings..... just beings and nothing else! When I meditate, I see different scenarios.....places that look off-planet, with structures, buildings, people or beings actually doing different tasks....children with parents, sometimes people are sick..... most of the time during meditations, I get a very familiar feeling for what I'm seeing as if I've actually been there! Sometimes I see a myriad of faces...again some human & some not!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on March 22, 2010, 18:32:18
Definitely sounds more Astral.
Next question...

When you close your eyes, do you "SEE" these things... like the back of your eyelids are a tv screen?
Or are these visualizations?  As in you don't ACTUALLY see them, but you feel them?


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 22, 2010, 18:42:57
I actually see them and yes, as if my eyelids were a screen and they move as well and they are able to physically touch me, as if they were physical too, except they're not physical! Sometimes they will rest their heads or bodies on me & I can feel the weight of their bodies! No one else in my household can see them and I only see them when my eyes are closed! I really appreciate your help.......!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on March 22, 2010, 18:46:12
Well, it sounds like some kind of mind's eye ability.
Apart from that, I can't help too much more.

You can communicate with them, you said?
Have you tried coming up with another form of communication aside from head "nods"?


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 22, 2010, 18:53:51
They are "mouthing" words, but I can't understand what they're saying! They seem to understand whether I speak physically or just think the thoughts! I wish I knew another way to communicate......telepathy would be a good talent to have at this point!
Again, I do appreciate your input......thank you!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: wakey on March 22, 2010, 21:06:04
wow, this sounds so awesome. Spread love in your thoughts. Love them in your thoughts very much... and observe what's happening.  :-)


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on March 22, 2010, 21:35:39
Well, there is also one other possibility...

It could all just be in your head.  :)
After all, seeing patterns (entities) in chaos (blackness behind the eyes) is really what the human mind does best.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 22, 2010, 22:03:52
Well, there is also one other possibility...

It could all just be in your head.  :)
After all, seeing patterns (entities) in chaos (blackness behind the eyes) is really what the human mind does best.

I have thought of the possibility that it's in my head.....but there is absolutely no way to explain the physical touching that occurs......it is as real as a member of my family touching me......which tells me that it's the real-deal! I know that it sounds crazy, but I'm not....if fact I'm  a very logical & rational person and I think that's why the physical component of this exists......otherwise I might think that it's a mental disorder. Also, I don't think that I would describe it as seeing patterns in chaos....these are beings and make no mistake, they are beings and no, they don't walk....they seem to float and the background most often has a bluish hue to it......almost like dark blue water!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: horaciocs on March 22, 2010, 22:59:08
Are they useful to you? Ever tried asking them for any sort of advice? Try to come up with some tests to see if they are really real. I would be very interested in knowing whether they could interact with other people the way they do with you.

Then try to come up with some sort of validation test, like having them guess where someone is inside your house or something like that.

They could come in handy if they're willing to cooperate  :-)


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on March 22, 2010, 23:11:45
I have thought of the possibility that it's in my head.....but there is absolutely no way to explain the physical touching that occurs......it is as real as a member of my family touching me......which tells me that it's the real-deal! I know that it sounds crazy, but I'm not....if fact I'm  a very logical & rational person and I think that's why the physical component of this exists......otherwise I might think that it's a mental disorder. Also, I don't think that I would describe it as seeing patterns in chaos....these are beings and make no mistake, they are beings and no, they don't walk....they seem to float and the background most often has a bluish hue to it......almost like dark blue water!
Actually, the mind can come up with quite a lot in the 'sensation' department... and it can create it all on its own.
I've had dreams where I've woken up "holding" an object... then once awake, I could swear I was still holding that object, only to find that I'm holding something entirely different.
I know that's not exactly what you're experiencing, but it still holds true.

However, I'm not really going to fall on either side of this fence for now.  I just wanted to make clear that the possibility exists. :)

Maybe someone else has another theory.  :)


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: radman32 on March 23, 2010, 07:35:20
Does this happen EVERY time you close your eyes? or just when you're slightly relaxed? And is there an occurring scenario or face?
That seems pretty wild, seems like a supremely unique ability. Have you ever asked a yes/no about something in your reality? Something you could actually validate?


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 23, 2010, 15:29:39
Are they useful to you? Ever tried asking them for any sort of advice? Try to come up with some tests to see if they are really real. I would be very interested in knowing whether they could interact with other people the way they do with you.

Then try to come up with some sort of validation test, like having them guess where someone is inside your house or something like that.

They could come in handy if they're willing to cooperate  :-)

I actually have tried a "test" if you will. A family member had some testing done by a physician and there was the possibility that the outcome could be cancer & I asked them if this person had cancer and they all shook their heads for "no"! After more tests were completed by the doctor, it was determined that there was no cancer......so thank god for that & they were right! I try not to get carried away asking questions.....and realistically, most of the questions that I would like to ask. require more than a yes or no answer! I also never-ever feel alone!!!!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 23, 2010, 15:54:34
Actually, the mind can come up with quite a lot in the 'sensation' department... and it can create it all on its own.
I've had dreams where I've woken up "holding" an object... then once awake, I could swear I was still holding that object, only to find that I'm holding something entirely different.
I know that's not exactly what you're experiencing, but it still holds true.

However, I'm not really going to fall on either side of this fence for now.  I just wanted to make clear that the possibility exists. :)

Maybe someone else has another theory.  :)

Hi Xanth...
The only additional  info I can state is that I'm awake and not asleep when this is happening and it happens each & every time I close my eyes and the touching is real on a daily basis, I can feel the movement of someone on my bed when they(beings) lay on or near me and I can feel the touch of someone that has no physical form in 3D. Do I have physical proof of this claim....no! I'm also not trying to convince you or anyone else of my experience.
My whole purpose of posting was to see if anyone had experienced any thing similar and to possibly correlate another experience with mine....mainly to understand the dynamics involved! My belief is that other people might be experiencing this and won't talk about it....cause it's way out there or some well-meaning doctor has mistakenly diagnosed that person with some sort of mental disorder, because this experience is definitely outside of the norm. If I weren't a stable person, this experience would have driven me over the edge, however, I have no history of mental illness in my family AND I trust myself & my senses.
In any event, again, I appreciate your comments & ideas and it's okay to sit on the fence on this...!
Take care


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Tiny on March 23, 2010, 16:05:56
Dear Annika,

as far as I'm aware this is a combination of extrasensory perceptions such as clair-voyance, clair-audience, clair-tactilense etc.


kind regards,

Paul


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 23, 2010, 16:30:57
Dear Annika,

as far as I'm aware this is a combination of extrasensory perceptions such as clair-voyance, clair-audience, clair-tactilense etc.


kind regards,

Paul
Hi Paul....
That's interesting.....have you ever known anyone who exhibited all three perceptions at one time or ever read about this in any book? I really do believe that there have been others with these perceptions.....thanks for your help!
Take care.....


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: CFTraveler on March 23, 2010, 16:41:37
Most projections will include many if not all clarient senses- especially if the projection is to the RTZ.  Most people that have sight when they project also have clairsentience (go through a wall and you'll see) and the act of separation causes astral noise, even though most people don't perceive sound while they are separate (because sound is a wave and is perceived as sound only it comes in though the physical ear).

However, when you're in trance (in-body) usually sounds and pictures will both come in at the same time, and ocassionally touch, which can be very discomfiting.

ps. I didn't respond to the post originally because I have had visions by closing my eyes (not in a proper trance) but these instances are few and far between, and only happen in darkness.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 23, 2010, 17:08:29
Most projections will include many if not all clarient senses- especially if the projection is to the RTZ.  Most people that have sight when they project also have clairsentience (go through a wall and you'll see) and the act of separation causes astral noise, even though most people don't perceive sound while they are separate (because sound is a wave and is perceived as sound only it comes in though the physical ear).

However, when you're in trance (in-body) usually sounds and pictures will both come in at the same time, and ocassionally touch, which can be very discomfiting.

ps. I didn't respond to the post originally because I have had visions by closing my eyes (not in a proper trance) but these instances are few and far between, and only happen in darkness.
Very interesting.....the only sound that I'm getting are various frequency eartones(very loud sometimes) and static noise or white noise as though a lot of people are talking, but what they're saying is indistinguishable! Thank you.....


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Tiny on March 23, 2010, 18:08:04
Hi Paul....
That's interesting.....have you ever known anyone who exhibited all three perceptions at one time or ever read about this in any book? I really do believe that there have been others with these perceptions.....thanks for your help!
Take care.....


Dear Annika,

it is called Remote Viewing, unlike the term "viewing" implies, you actually utilize as many extrasensory senses as possible at once.

If what you exercise is truely extrasensory perception, you should be easily able to switch fast and view anything at any chronological point of time but you would also be able to communicate with other beings in real time.


kind regards,

Paul


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Stookie on March 23, 2010, 19:53:42
Here's the way I see it:

Our consciousness spans across all dimensions of reality, but our awareness during physical life stays centered in the physical. When we astral project, we move our awareness from physical to astral.

With clairvoyance, clairaudience, remote viewing, etc., you're stretching your awareness. You're staying aware in the physical, but at the same time stretching your awareness into the etheric and/or astral (or further). I suppose the best clairvoyants can maintain awareness of several areas of consciousness simultaneously.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: radman32 on March 24, 2010, 06:27:39
I feel like I can see myself when i close my eyes, in rainbow/white colors.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 24, 2010, 15:21:58
Here's the way I see it:

Our consciousness spans across all dimensions of reality, but our awareness during physical life stays centered in the physical. When we astral project, we move our awareness from physical to astral.

With clairvoyance, clairaudience, remote viewing, etc., you're stretching your awareness. You're staying aware in the physical, but at the same time stretching your awareness into the etheric and/or astral (or further). I suppose the best clairvoyants can maintain awareness of several areas of consciousness simultaneously.

Hi Stookie.....
I think that you're very accurate about maintaining an awareness of the physical, but at the same time stretching your awareness into the etheric or astral realms. One of the aspects that I've noticed is that I'm ultra-aware of the physical, even when my eyes are closed. In any event, between viewing into the astral realms and meditation.....both have been such consciousness expanding events, that I feel reborn in many ways! I look the same, but my perspective has changed about so many areas and I truly live in the moment, instead of constantly living for some future event.....thanks for your input!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 24, 2010, 15:26:28
I feel like I can see myself when i close my eyes, in rainbow/white colors.

You know.....I've never tried to look at myself when I close my eyes because there are so many other interesting things to look at, but I may have to give that a try. I mean, seeing yourself in rainbow/white colors has to be pretty cool......thanks!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: mon9999 on March 24, 2010, 15:35:40
HI Annika! I advice you to consult a psychic, I mean a true psychic careful from the fraud one


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: NoY on March 24, 2010, 16:28:17
I have experienced this from the age of 20
its a result of clear audio this comes from the heart and your mind makes a cosmetic to represent the emotions you are feeling
and its incredibly accurate
however most beings will look more attractive to you than they actually are because your using love to perceive them

have you ever seen a picture of arch angel Michael with one foot on land and another in the water its like that a being of both reality's

over time you will learn to hear them as well and then you wont be able to shut them up :)

:NodesOfYesod:


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 24, 2010, 17:08:04
HI Annika! I advice you to consult a psychic, I mean a true psychic careful from the fraud one

I'm a little leery of psychics....some, I'm sure work from the heart and their true abilities, but some seem to be more interested in fiduciary gain, but I'll consider it and thank you for your advise!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 24, 2010, 17:10:32
I have experienced this from the age of 20
its a result of clear audio this comes from the heart and your mind makes a cosmetic to represent the emotions you are feeling
and its incredibly accurate
however most beings will look more attractive to you than they actually are because your using love to perceive them

have you ever seen a picture of arch angel Michael with one foot on land and another in the water its like that a being of both reality's

over time you will learn to hear them as well and then you wont be able to shut them up :)

:NodesOfYesod:

Very interesting....are you viewing the astral realm and how do you know it's the astral???
Thank you for your response.....


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: NoY on March 24, 2010, 17:26:55
clear audio transends all levels of the astral real time zone and all time
all paralels everything

what ever you sympathetically resonate with

I have adventures over all existence and at all levels
its a joy to finally see somebody else who may be similar :)

:NoY:


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on March 29, 2010, 15:36:03
clear audio transends all levels of the astral real time zone and all time
all paralels everything

what ever you sympathetically resonate with

I have adventures over all existence and at all levels
its a joy to finally see somebody else who may be similar :)

:NoY:
Hi Noy....
I"ve been away for a few days and wanted to ask you how your ability came about? I was interested in Ascension and as soon as I verbalized the statement, all sorts of strange things began to happen. I don't know if my ability was always there and I just didn't realize it or if it came about because of my intention for ascension. It's nice to know that someone else has had my experience....I really felt that this was true as well! Anyway, I 'd love to know more about your experiences.....? Hopefully you'll read this....
Take care...


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: NoY on April 02, 2010, 17:51:20
The human energybody/system usually matures around the age of 20

when i turned 20 I was suddenly hit with a wall of hatred and I started having visions and dreams and uncomfortable experiences all through the day

because I could not run from it I decided to start sorting it out. if  i saw something I didn't like id fix it If I disagreed with something id argue the point and if somebody needed backup id be there. once I had taken the position of holy king always truthfull always trying to get it right from a moral perspective, the spirit started to use me and sent me all over life and over time to fix problems and correct things that needed attention.

I have had many adventures in other kingdoms because I became usefull to the spirit. by choosing to be good
all of life asks for good so its possible to be drawn to the other side of existence if your what they are asking for

:NoY:


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: astralization on April 03, 2010, 18:52:28
Annika, your ability to see another realm when you close your eyes is incredible, only I wish I could do that or at least Astral Project. I feel like I need some guidance, I try to look for my higher self but I can never seem to reach him. If anyone is willing to help me develop my abilities, then please contact me.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on April 03, 2010, 18:56:41
Annika, your ability to see another realm when you close your eyes is incredible, only I wish I could do that or at least Astral Project. I feel like I need some guidance, I try to look for my higher self but I can never seem to reach him. If anyone is willing to help me develop my abilities, then please contact me.
If you desire help, you only have to go as far as posting a question here on the forums.  :)

Find the appropriate section and ask away!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on April 05, 2010, 19:49:36
Annika, your ability to see another realm when you close your eyes is incredible, only I wish I could do that or at least Astral Project. I feel like I need some guidance, I try to look for my higher self but I can never seem to reach him. If anyone is willing to help me develop my abilities, then please contact me.

Hi Astralization:
Yes, it is a cool ability, but I'm not sure how I got it, so I'm not sure if I can be of much assistance to you! I had only done astral projection one other time about 10 years ago and it wasn't intentional, but I knew what it was from the "get-go"! How this ability to see into the astral realm came about, just by closing my eyes,  is still unclear to me! However, there are some incredibly knowledgeable people on this site, who would be able to give you help regarding anything "astral"! My higher self occasionally speaks to me, but not often......I get the impression from my higher self that "I'm" supposed to figure a lot of this out on my own, but realistically, I could use assistance regularly!   


Take care


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on April 05, 2010, 20:23:28
Hi Astralization:
Yes, it is a cool ability, but I'm not sure how I got it, so I'm not sure if I can be of much assistance to you! I had only done astral projection one other time about 10 years ago and it wasn't intentional, but I knew what it was from the "get-go"! How this ability to see into the astral realm came about, just by closing my eyes,  is still unclear to me! However, there are some incredibly knowledgeable people on this site, who would be able to give you help regarding anything "astral"! My higher self occasionally speaks to me, but not often......I get the impression from my higher self that "I'm" supposed to figure a lot of this out on my own, but realistically, I could use assistance regularly!   


Take care
Hi Annika.  :)

Have you tried closing all off all thoughts and emotions as you view these 'scenes'?  What I mean is view what you're viewing but with a passive awareness of sorts?
The reason I ask is that those thoughts and emotions might be fueling what you're seeing... just as thoughts and emotions fuel what we perceive on the astral.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on April 05, 2010, 21:05:37
Hi Annika.  :)

Have you tried closing all off all thoughts and emotions as you view these 'scenes'?  What I mean is view what you're viewing but with a passive awareness of sorts?
The reason I ask is that those thoughts and emotions might be fueling what you're seeing... just as thoughts and emotions fuel what we perceive on the astral.

Hi Xanth....
Interesting question.....when this experience first began, I had a lot of fear and intrepidation, of course initially, I could only feel someone touching me, then after that, being able to "see" them with my eyes closed......not truly understanding what was happening and why! After about a month of being able to see them with my eyes closed, I figured out that there was a reason for this to happen and then, I calmed down and I was able to calm my emotions and thoughts down as well. As strange as this may sound, I think these beings know me.....maybe from another life time....I don't know! They are the same beings each time, except occasionally a new one will show up. I "know" that they are trying to tell me something, because when I ask them who they are, they mouth it back to me, as if to say 'we hear you"!
My thoughts and emotions these days are calm and tranquil for the most part and these beings are a part of my life! I hope that answers your question!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: personalreality on April 05, 2010, 22:00:20
I know I'm a little late on this one, but I disagree with some of the other people's dimensional theory in regards to seeing into other realms...here's a picture to illustrate.

(http://pics.livejournal.com/astrallyknown/pic/000038kc/s640x480)

I don't think the etheric is the closest to the physical.  I think that what is described as the etheric is really the next "physical" dimension above ours.  It's still all about perspective, scale and position. 


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on April 05, 2010, 22:18:19
I know I'm a little late on this one, but I disagree with some of the other people's dimensional theory in regards to seeing into other realms...here's a picture to illustrate.

(http://pics.livejournal.com/astrallyknown/pic/000038kc/s640x480)

I don't think the etheric is the closest to the physical.  I think that what is described as the etheric is really the next "physical" dimension above ours.  It's still all about perspective, scale and position. 

Hi Personalreality...
So, do you think that I'm viewing another dimension or density? And if so, which am I seeing when I close my eyes? I would be extremely interested in your opinion?
Thanks for responding!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: personalreality on April 06, 2010, 16:35:15
Let me elaborate a little on my picture.

Firstly, that is a 2-D representation of something that is both interdimensional and extra dimensional.

In my paradigm, AP takes place in the imaginal realm, the truly non physical.  You might think of the imaginal realm as the source of all thought, more appropriately the source of all that we consider to be intangible energy.  I refrain from describing it as THE SOURCE or God because that energy encompasses all existence.  You might think of God in this paradigm as that which unifies the physical and the non.  So this non physical "place" is the source of psychic abilities, ideas & contemplations, spiritual energy, magickal action, etc.

Conversely, the physical dimensions (ours, 4th, 5th, etc) exist simultaneously in the same space but the matter vibrates at frequencies that increase relative to the dimension.  It is possible for we 3-D people to move up to higher dimensions provided we can properly increase our energetic frequency.  Its important to know that these dimensions are all physical relative to the indigenous beings.  If we were to raise our energy and move up a dimension we would experience as physical that which appears non-physical from our relative position in 3-D. 

Now, the transitions between dimensions isn't necessarily either or, its more like a gradient.  What this means in relation to projection is that sometimes when we are intending to go to the imaginal  realms we actually raise our energy enough to begin a transition to the 4-D.  I think that most of the time we probably don't go all the way and experience what is often referred to as the etheric or the real time zone.  This produces the effect of seeing what appears to be our physical world from a seemingly non-physical perspective. 

So what we call the etheric or rtz is really our perception of the frequency gradient between dimensions.  If this is the case then one might assume that there is a similar experience between all dimensions.

This explains the difference between remote viewing and clairvoyance.  Remote viewing is essentially projecting awareness into this transdimensional gradient to see a 3-D event from a distance.  Clairvoyance then is reading energy in the imginal realms that is associated with an object, thought form, being, etc. 

The imaginal realm is a collective that represents the energetic connections of all of existence.  Therefore you can connect to anyone or anything, time is irrelevant in this place, and read the energy.  This is why your psychic abilities are better if you can associate emotion with whatever you're trying to read because emotional/feeling (both the mental and physical sensations and actions) power is what moves energy.  So to use this in AP, if you want to visit a friend you'll be more successful if you can bring up an associated emotional energy than if you just think of their face.  This is how things are identified in the nonphysical, by their energy signature and the energy associated with them.

In your case it depends on what you see.  Either way its just a form of psychic sight.  If what you see looks a little odd or out of place its probably clairvoyant vision picking up your own energetic perception of where you find yourself.  If it looks like a real copy of physcial reality then it is probably remote viewing.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on April 06, 2010, 17:56:37
Let me elaborate a little on my picture.

Firstly, that is a 2-D representation of something that is both interdimensional and extra dimensional.

In my paradigm, AP takes place in the imaginal realm, the truly non physical.  You might think of the imaginal realm as the source of all thought, more appropriately the source of all that we consider to be intangible energy.  I refrain from describing it as THE SOURCE or God because that energy encompasses all existence.  You might think of God in this paradigm as that which unifies the physical and the non.  So this non physical "place" is the source of psychic abilities, ideas & contemplations, spiritual energy, magickal action, etc.

Conversely, the physical dimensions (ours, 4th, 5th, etc) exist simultaneously in the same space but the matter vibrates at frequencies that increase relative to the dimension.  It is possible for we 3-D people to move up to higher dimensions provided we can properly increase our energetic frequency.  Its important to know that these dimensions are all physical relative to the indigenous beings.  If we were to raise our energy and move up a dimension we would experience as physical that which appears non-physical from our relative position in 3-D. 

Now, the transitions between dimensions isn't necessarily either or, its more like a gradient.  What this means in relation to projection is that sometimes when we are intending to go to the imaginal  realms we actually raise our energy enough to begin a transition to the 4-D.  I think that most of the time we probably don't go all the way and experience what is often referred to as the etheric or the real time zone.  This produces the effect of seeing what appears to be our physical world from a seemingly non-physical perspective. 

So what we call the etheric or rtz is really our perception of the frequency gradient between dimensions.  If this is the case then one might assume that there is a similar experience between all dimensions.

This explains the difference between remote viewing and clairvoyance.  Remote viewing is essentially projecting awareness into this transdimensional gradient to see a 3-D event from a distance.  Clairvoyance then is reading energy in the imginal realms that is associated with an object, thought form, being, etc. 

The imaginal realm is a collective that represents the energetic connections of all of existence.  Therefore you can connect to anyone or anything, time is irrelevant in this place, and read the energy.  This is why your psychic abilities are better if you can associate emotion with whatever you're trying to read because emotional/feeling (both the mental and physical sensations and actions) power is what moves energy.  So to use this in AP, if you want to visit a friend you'll be more successful if you can bring up an associated emotional energy than if you just think of their face.  This is how things are identified in the nonphysical, by their energy signature and the energy associated with them.

In your case it depends on what you see.  Either way its just a form of psychic sight.  If what you see looks a little odd or out of place its probably clairvoyant vision picking up your own energetic perception of where you find yourself.  If it looks like a real copy of physcial reality then it is probably remote viewing.

Hi again....personalreality!
My first words after reading your response was "WOW"! And maybe this correlates to what the beings are trying to tell me. As you maybe aware from reading my previous posts on this....I have limitations in communicating with these beings, but before I could see them with my eyes closed, they were working feverishly on raising my frequency! I mean, I had already started the work by changing parts of myself that were "not so great" and began seriously meditating, but they seemed really intent upon my frequency being raised.....the vibrations that I felt in my body constantly were just incredibly intense!
It was after that period, that I could see them with my eyes closed! I thought at first that the beings wanted to instill some peace & calm in me, because they sensed that I was fearful of what was touching me because I had no sight reference....they were right! They knew me "well" from the beginning!
I think now that it was a two-fold purpose.....certainly to calm me down, but I have an extremely strong feeling that they are trying to communicate something to me or just communicate in general.
It would make sense that if I were perceiving another dimension or even partially entering it, that the beings would be able to touch me, but I can't touch them! My sight into their world is somewhat perplexing to me....it seems much darker than 3D is.....as if the light value has incredibly decreased! I've asked them why it is that I can see them when my eyes are closed and I think the answer is either way beyond a yes or no response or I already know the answer and I just have to figure out what it is!
If you have any other insights into this experience that I'm undergoing, I would be most appreciative of hearing them or if there is written material that you could direct me to....again, I would be most appreciative!!
Thank you......


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: personalreality on April 06, 2010, 19:03:27
Let me first respond by clarifying that this is just my theory based on subjective experience and years of philosophical, ontological and metaphysical research.  But as far as I'm concerned it is as right as I can possibly be at this moment in my existence (where my attention is focused now).  And it may sound cocky or pretentious but part of my reality paradigm states that there is no such thing as objectivity.  I think objectivity in almost any sense is wasteful and unnecessary.  We are all perceiving reality from infinitely unique perceptions, infinitely unique scales and positions.  We are all seeing a different facet of the jewel.  Which, incidentally, is also my personal "proof" of "god", but unfortunately because of the nature of the "Rusty (my name...since it's also an adjective I thought I'd specify) Paradigm of Reality" it is impossible for any other person to perceive "my proof". 

Anyway, I have not read your other posts, I will look into it.  But I do have some positions on your situation.

First, let's do some magick!  Magick (in the Rusty Paradigm of Reality, a.k.a. personalreality)  is the manipulation of "astral" energy by means of physical action.  I also define magick within the Arthur C. Clarke third law that states, "any sufficiently advanced technology appears as magic."  So magick as is practiced by occultists (people who study things hidden) is simply a a technological understanding of energetic principles.  While scientists were studying matter, magick practitioners were studying nonphysical energy manipulation.  The two are really one in the same, just from different perspectives.  Both utilize the personal creative power of humans.  [Though it seems that there is a large schism between to two when they ought to be unified, I believe both could progress much further if they were combined.....perhaps in some sort of "mind based technology"  :wink: :lol:] 

So, why does that matter?  Well, by moving into perception of the nonphysical realms you are essentially practicing magick, though weakly.  This is why energy work is important, it increases the available supply of energy thereby allowing you to more easily manipulate these imaginal realms.  Here's where things can get tough though.  We, as 3-D beings, born of the 3rd dimension (physically speaking), developed and evolved in the 3rd dimension, perceive reality as 3-D beings.  What this means is that we can't really comprehend the fundamentals of either the imaginal or other physical dimensions naturally.  (we can, but we're out of practice, our muscles of perception have atrophied)  For example, perceive a hyper-cube (a 4th dimensional cube) right now.  We can draw what it ought to look like on paper, but that's not perceiving what it really is.  Our brains just aren't wired to handle that yet.  The same can be said of the imaginal realms.  There perception is based on the sensation of nonphysical/spiritual energy as opposed to sensation of thermodynamic, photon, chemical, etc.  All things move according to the energy signature they emit in this imaginal realm.  This is where the benefit of meditation comes in.  By meditating regularly you gain control of your ability to produce specific mental action in a give situation.  If we apply that to magickal practice for example, that means that we have the control to generate a specific sense memory and associated emotional response of a specific energetic signature.  With this skill we can more accurately and powerfully manipulate the movement of energy.  The more skilled you become the easier it becomes for you to effect change in our physical reality. 

I don't know how well it is illustrated on my diagram, but I want to make sure I point out that Astral Projection or voyages into the imaginal realm is not a purely 3-D experience.  All beings, existing in any physical dimension are psychically connected through the "astral".  4-D beings astral project just as well as 3-D or 5-D beings, etc.  I won't really speculate on their projection abilities (ease, frequency, etc.), but I do want to say that in my paradigm everything can project into the imaginal.  Because of that I don't think you're interacting with 4-D beings in the dimensional gradient.  It would be much simpler for these beings (where ever they're from) to astral project and communicate with you there. 

As for the darker bit, you gotta remember that your brain is used to processing sensory stimuli from the 3rd dimension.  Hyperdimensional or extradimensional stimuli is not going to be the same.  It may take you time to adjust to perceiving these new stimuli.  Perhaps what you're seeing really is dark, maybe they created the environment for you from your mind.  Who knows.  Nevertheless, nonverbal communication in the astral means something very different than nonverbal communication in the physical.  It's basically telepathy, but telepathy isn't sending thoughts, it's sending whole perceptions and feelings.  That's what you need to practice to more easily communicate with them.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on April 07, 2010, 19:43:07
Hey Rusty....

Thank you for your perceptions and ideas......I'm trying to combine many different viewpoints to see how they correlate to my experiences and what can be useful as defining my reality as it exists now.

Take care.....


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: personalreality on April 08, 2010, 19:18:55
That's all anyone can do.  My experience is essentially useless to you when it comes to your liberation.  The best you can do is try on different beliefs and see what your intuition says.  Eventually you'll find that when your view certain perspectives through your own perceptual filter they begin to feel right.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on April 21, 2010, 19:47:11
I was thinking about this again the other day...
I was attempting to, somehow, fit it into Franks Phasing Model of Consciousness... and I came up with it.

Assuming that the "beings" you're seeing are "real"... then you're simply having a Focus 1 / Focus (2 or 3) overlay experience.

I was toying with this the other day while having a break at work.
I was sitting at my desk and just staring into the blackness behind my eyes.
Staring, staring, staring... hey is that a street?  ... hey, is that a building?
All the while staring into the blackness these forms started taking shape.  I'd try to focus in on them more... and I ended up losing it.

But in a sense this is what I believe you're doing, but you're tuning into something 'more' than just images.  You're tuning, literally, into another Focus of Consciousness.  Which I believe to be Focus 2 or 3.  

Focus 2 would be more your subconscious, so you wouldn't much response from anything you saw.
However, if it was Focus 3, you'd get actual responses and actions back.

I remember now doing this once before while I was meditating.
I was sitting there meditating then I decided to ask a simple question regarding my Animal Spirit.
I asked, "What animal is my animal spirit"... well, in the blackness behind my eyes, I saw, as clear as day, an Eagle soaring through the sky.  I saw it flapping it's wings and flying towards me, then swoop down and then up and out of my field of vision.

~Ryan :)


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on April 26, 2010, 16:05:39
I was thinking about this again the other day...
I was attempting to, somehow, fit it into Franks Phasing Model of Consciousness... and I came up with it.

Assuming that the "beings" you're seeing are "real"... then you're simply having a Focus 1 / Focus (2 or 3) overlay experience.

I was toying with this the other day while having a break at work.
I was sitting at my desk and just staring into the blackness behind my eyes.
Staring, staring, staring... hey is that a street?  ... hey, is that a building?
All the while staring into the blackness these forms started taking shape.  I'd try to focus in on them more... and I ended up losing it.

But in a sense this is what I believe you're doing, but you're tuning into something 'more' than just images.  You're tuning, literally, into another Focus of Consciousness.  Which I believe to be Focus 2 or 3.  

Focus 2 would be more your subconscious, so you wouldn't much response from anything you saw.
However, if it was Focus 3, you'd get actual responses and actions back.

I remember now doing this once before while I was meditating.
I was sitting there meditating then I decided to ask a simple question regarding my Animal Spirit.
I asked, "What animal is my animal spirit"... well, in the blackness behind my eyes, I saw, as clear as day, an Eagle soaring through the sky.  I saw it flapping it's wings and flying towards me, then swoop down and then up and out of my field of vision.

~Ryan :)

Hi Ryan.....
I just read Franks Phasing Model of Consciousness and you might be onto something, because I'm definitely getting responses and not just images! Frank also states that Focus 3 occurs "after physical death" and I most definitely feel as if I'm still alive....so how does that factor in?
Thanks for your response!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on April 26, 2010, 16:37:07
Focus 3 is simply what most people would refer to as "the afterlife".
You can still have a Focus 1 - Focus 3 overlay experience.
Hell, Frank mentioned that you can have a Focus 1 - Focus 4 overlay!  He referred to that as being pretty trippy.  LoL

~Ryan :)


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: wakey on April 26, 2010, 17:07:17
When I was younger, when I closed my eyes, faces started to appear in the blackness. A lot of faces... At the beginning I was able to spot out eyes, then mouth and then the whole face. At first I was scared, but then i got use to them. Right now I don't see them anymore, I guess I just forgot about them and didn't pay any attention so in time they dissapeared.

With "when I was younger" I actually meant "2 years ago".


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on April 26, 2010, 17:22:59
Focus 3 is simply what most people would refer to as "the afterlife".
You can still have a Focus 1 - Focus 3 overlay experience.
Hell, Frank mentioned that you can have a Focus 1 - Focus 4 overlay!  He referred to that as being pretty trippy.  LoL

~Ryan :)

Ok....if it is a Focus 3 overlay experience, how are these beings able to touch me? I can assure you that I'm not hallucinating the touching, as it's been going on for quite a while now. Just last night while I was laying in bed....couldn't sleep, one of the beings was patting me on the shoulder as if to comfort me! Right now, one of them has their hand on my shoulder?????? And my eyes aren't closed......???? Perplexing.....


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on April 26, 2010, 17:35:09
Ok....if it is a Focus 3 overlay experience, how are these beings able to touch me? I can assure you that I'm not hallucinating the touching, as it's been going on for quite a while now. Just last night while I was laying in bed....couldn't sleep, one of the beings was patting me on the shoulder as if to comfort me! Right now, one of them has their hand on my shoulder?????? And my eyes aren't closed......???? Perplexing.....
That would simply be "your mind filling in the blanks" for you.
I mean, I've had dreams where I've been "holding an item"... then as I'm waking up I'd swear I was still holding that very same item, only to find that it's something entirely different.

That's what I think is happening.  In my opinion.

~Ryan :)


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on April 26, 2010, 17:56:13
That would simply be "your mind filling in the blanks" for you.
I mean, I've had dreams where I've been "holding an item"... then as I'm waking up I'd swear I was still holding that very same item, only to find that it's something entirely different.

That's what I think is happening.  In my opinion.

~Ryan :)

Hey.....
I feel at a very intuitive level that this is probably not "my mind filling in the blanks". Initially, I experienced "being touched" and had no expectations of any type of beings! A month or two later......one day, I closed my eyes and there they were. This is something else......but again, I appreciate your responses as they usually open up other doors of thought that I can explore......
Thank you


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Velvet V. on April 27, 2010, 21:32:23
You said you meditate in the first post, what type of meditation is that?


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on April 28, 2010, 15:22:30
You said you meditate in the first post, what type of meditation is that?

I meditate with a mantra......doesn't everyone?


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: personalreality on April 28, 2010, 15:28:37
no.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on April 28, 2010, 15:34:37
I meditate with a mantra......doesn't everyone?
That is one of many kinds of meditations one can do.  :)


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on April 28, 2010, 17:25:47
That is one of many kinds of meditations one can do.  :)

Thanks Xanth & personalreality....
I've always used a mantra & everyone that I know, friends & relatives all meditate with mantras.....but I stand corrected as to the various ways that one could meditate!



Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: personalreality on April 29, 2010, 02:02:07
There are sooooooo many different ways to meditate.

In fact, I didn't even start with mantra meditations until a couple years ago (been meditating many years).

Mantra meditations are a type of meditation geared toward intent focus on one thing.  Basically to narrow the mind to a point.  Similar to watching your breathing.  Though mantras also have a vibrational aspect to them, as in certain tones stimulate different places in the body (organs, energy centers, etc.).

I always did more like observation meditation, where i just observe my mind. 

One of my favorite meditations is geared toward magickal practice.  It involves visualization to reach a certain state of mind that is ideal for ritual.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on April 30, 2010, 15:31:03
There are sooooooo many different ways to meditate.

In fact, I didn't even start with mantra meditations until a couple years ago (been meditating many years).

Mantra meditations are a type of meditation geared toward intent focus on one thing.  Basically to narrow the mind to a point.  Similar to watching your breathing.  Though mantras also have a vibrational aspect to them, as in certain tones stimulate different places in the body (organs, energy centers, etc.).

I always did more like observation meditation, where i just observe my mind. 

One of my favorite meditations is geared toward magickal practice.  It involves visualization to reach a certain state of mind that is ideal for ritual.

Hi there.....
I think the reason that mantras work well for me is that I've, in the past, had a lot of mind chatter and in order to disconnect my mind from all the chatter  and really focus, mantras just seem to fit the bill for me. However, an observation mode might be interesting as well......I had never considered that before! My brother attributes my "2nd sight" if you will, from using a mantra and by doing so, fully opening my 3rd eye chakra. I'm not sure if that's how it works.....but something to consider!
Thanks again for the info......


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: personalreality on April 30, 2010, 16:21:28
If your mantra is Om then that's possible.

Oooooaaaaauuuuuummmmm is the 3rd eye mantra.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Stookie on April 30, 2010, 16:56:41
I thought it worked your whole chakra system. The "o" starts and the bottom, runs through the diaphragm, and as you breathe it out it works up through every chakra, and by the time you get to "mmm" it should be at your 3rd eye to your crown. And the entire word should have all the vowel sounds. With an "m" at the end of course.

That's how I've done it anyways.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: personalreality on May 01, 2010, 00:30:29
never done it that way.

I learned to do each chakras mantra separately.

LAM, VAM, RAM, YAM, HUM (hmm), AUM/OM, silent AUM

respectively, root to crown.

OM is the common mantra though, so I could definitely see using it alone.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 03, 2010, 15:25:15
never done it that way.

I learned to do each chakras mantra separately.

LAM, VAM, RAM, YAM, HUM (hmm), AUM/OM, silent AUM

respectively, root to crown.

OM is the common mantra though, so I could definitely see using it alone.

Interestingly enough, when my 2nd sight started, I was using AUM!
Thanks......


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: bluvisnu on May 07, 2010, 05:54:14
i have acces to another realm without closing my eyes, i don t know if it s astralor somewhere else, i can see people there, feel them and hear them.
to be aware of this dimension i have to stay away from sharing energy with normal humain peoples, because i must be in an high vibration an most of the people are too low ( it is my vision for the moment), so if i stay alone i can keep this vision eternaly and i can be also with some friends who have good and pure energy without loosing it...
so i stay there and try to get a better conexion...
it made me experience that we are spirits into a humain body instead of just knowing it from a book and to me there is a big difference.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 11, 2010, 20:39:54
i have acces to another realm without closing my eyes, i don t know if it s astralor somewhere else, i can see people there, feel them and hear them.
to be aware of this dimension i have to stay away from sharing energy with normal humain peoples, because i must be in an high vibration an most of the people are too low ( it is my vision for the moment), so if i stay alone i can keep this vision eternaly and i can be also with some friends who have good and pure energy without loosing it...
so i stay there and try to get a better conexion...
it made me experience that we are spirits into a humain body instead of just knowing it from a book and to me there is a big difference.
Hi....
Wow.....I have a feeling that my 2nd sight is going that direction as well. I am beginning to see the outlines of beings even with my eyes open, although if I focus on something more mundane, I'm able to control it.....which is good, because seeing other things not in this realm while driving, could be hazardous to others & myself. I have been able to look at lights for quite awhile and after sharpening my focus on a single beam of light, I can see people in other times or places....not sure if they're from the past, future, alternate or parallel universe or what. Sometimes they're just hanging around or having a party(get-together) or whatever, but it's hard to focus for a long period of time and I can't hear them. Hearing people or beings in other realms seems to be my special challenge.
Have you always been able to do this or is it recently acquired talent? Are the people you see in clothing from our reality or are they dressed differently?
Do they speak English? Are they telepathic and can you communicate with them ? I would love to hear more.......
Thanks for responding and sorry it took so long to see your response......I've been extremely busy!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: bluvisnu on May 12, 2010, 06:48:04
i m happy you have some interest about my post, it was my first post on this forum, i usually don t speak about this so i didn t know how people will see that.
it is very interesting to me because it gives words on what i live, when i try to explain it becomes clearer for me too.

it is like everybody is doing this always but they are not aware of it, we all live in a multi dimensional universe and we just have to open ourselves to this reality to be aware of it.
i think the opening comes with love, when we replace the fears we all have with love we get the acces to a wider reality.
when i was younger i could see things sometimes but i didn t care about it because i couldn t understand what it really was and the mudane life was so interesting...lol. i had many different spiritual experiences in this life to wake me up but last year i was in india for 6 months and something special happend there after a month alone in the forest of auroville and a lot of meditation i was strong enough to have a perfect stillness of mind.

now it is more clear because i know better how to stay in a higher vibration and i don t do what makes me going down, i try to be aware all the time wich is not easy lol.
they don t have clothes, they are like shinny colored light bodies.
they can speak any language and i undertand them all, it is telepathic but there is words, it is hard to explain...like the brain can translate any of these vibrations into something i can understand, yes i can communicate and i do all day long !

so it is like the faculty it s always been there but now i understand more and i can focus on it.
i had to open my heart to universal love, the fear closes the heart and love opens.
and the stilness of mind is important to see how things work.
meditation is to let go the thoughts and not to try to control anything.
i can see both planes together and i can focus on one.

in love and light



Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Loru on May 15, 2010, 01:27:13
Hey, Annika!

My heart started racing, when I read your posts! You should definately check out this guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/dero7
He talks about the exact same stuff you describe; the beings, touching and all those yes and no questions, and what it all means.

I think this just made me a believer. Thank you.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Selea on May 15, 2010, 10:51:20
While I can understand that you feel entrained by what is happening to you usually it's not a so good sign when you see "astral" beings around you without "tuning" to them.

Images in meditation for example should never be of an astral nature, if that's the case it means the circle is seriously broken. While there are many people that like these sort of things they are dangerous from a part and also if they wouldn't be they don't produce anything relevant in any way. The most important thing is never accepting anything that comes by itself, at last if you want to be in control instead of being controlled.

Anyway, this is my first post here, I'm watching with interest the various discussions. I've also read some techniques, also if from what I see people as always tend to create a lot of self-obstacles in what is called "OBE" or "Astral Projection". For what I've seen in all these years the most prevalent is a subconscious fear of success. Anyway I will talk about this a little in some other topic if the discussion will warrant it.

Selea


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: personalreality on May 15, 2010, 13:00:50
If someone is very psychically active it's not really unusual to see the "astral" without tuning in because they are tuned in, they just don't know how to control it.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Selea on May 15, 2010, 15:49:24
The problem is that a state of being "physically" active all the time is not a thing so good to have. You begin too much to mingle the planes and that can cause various troubles.

There's a motive why many authors insist that one must tune instead of being always open to interaction. Firstly because when you "open" yourself voluntarily you do so calling or opening up to something you know and can test, while if you are always open you don't know what will come. It is like making your house free for everyone to come in. Secondly, as I said, you begin too much to mix the planes. I specified that there are many people that actually like to do this, however people I've known doing the same have always attracted much more trouble than was worth it.

Anyway I'm not suggesting that it's absolutely bad what's happening to him/her. I know that's very interesting, especially if you never before had an experience as that. I'm only advicing him/her to be on the cautious side. I know for experience how easy it is to let yourself go given the fascination of the thing, till one day you drive your car and don't know if you really invested someone or not. And what's worse is that while coming this far was easy, rebulding the circle it's very difficult, for various motives.

Selea.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 17, 2010, 19:29:40
The problem is that a state of being "physically" active all the time is not a thing so good to have. You begin too much to mingle the planes and that can cause various troubles.

There's a motive why many authors insist that one must tune instead of being always open to interaction. Firstly because when you "open" yourself voluntarily you do so calling or opening up to something you know and can test, while if you are always open you don't know what will come. It is like making your house free for everyone to come in. Secondly, as I said, you begin too much to mix the planes. I specified that there are many people that actually like to do this, however people I've known doing the same have always attracted much more trouble than was worth it.

Anyway I'm not suggesting that it's absolutely bad what's happening to him/her. I know that's very interesting, especially if you never before had an experience as that. I'm only advicing him/her to be on the cautious side. I know for experience how easy it is to let yourself go given the fascination of the thing, till one day you drive your car and don't know if you really invested someone or not. And what's worse is that while coming this far was easy, rebulding the circle it's very difficult, for various motives.

Selea.

Selea.....
Initially, this experience really frightened me.....I didn't ask or request it to happen! And, I still don't know exactly why it's happened. Maybe I abused my psychic abilities in another life time and this is the "penance" or karma, if you will, that I need to pay! I do know that I can't shut it down....I've tried and nothing really works! Sometimes I wish that I could just close my eyes and see just blackness again....there are disadvantages to this ability and there is an overload factor that occurs as well. I don't know if I'm "mingling the planes" or realms and yes, sometimes it's like leaving the front door open and anybody can walk in! I'm a very spiritual person and I usually ask God(Creator of all that is) and my higher self to guide me and so far, I've been ok! However, would I wish this for someone else who is much less mentally or emotionally stable......no way! It took me awhile to get to the point of handling this and I no longer live in fear of the experience or the beings! They understand my thoughts....when I tell them that I have to sleep and to leave me be....they will! It has been a difficult road....but the advantages have been a greater understanding of myself and others and the many different realms  that there are to exist in. My "fascination" with this was short lived and I've mainly incorporated it into my life, but caution is my guidepost and I would advise anyone else the same in this same situation.
Since I initially created this posting, I've run into several people, who have had similar experiences and no one is sure why they are experiencing this phenomenon at this time, although many have their own theories as to why.....some believe that the "Shift of Ages" i.e. dimensional shift is responsible and there is a "bleed-thru" from one dimension to another and granted, that is possible. Do I know for sure.......no! Some believe that it's a "wake-up" call if you will! In other words, wake up from the forgetful sleep that we are born into in each life time and wake up to the fact that we are multi-dimensional beings experiencing a physical existence......which I believe is very possible! Why me and not you or someone else? Don't know.....I'm a pretty regular person with many failings that I've tried to fix. I'm a much better person today than I've ever been before, but that doesn't explain....why me! 
I appreciate your cautionary advise and I do follow that at all times, so thank you for response!
Take care.....     


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 17, 2010, 19:57:53
Hey, Annika!

My heart started racing, when I read your posts! You should definately check out this guy: http://www.youtube.com/user/dero7
He talks about the exact same stuff you describe; the beings, touching and all those yes and no questions, and what it all means.

I think this just made me a believer. Thank you.

Hey Loru....
Thank you for responding and the link you provided to one of my brethren......he's a little bit more energized than I am......maybe too much coffee! But, he does seem to be experiencing something similar to my experiences. Some people believe me when I tell them about my experiences and others don't and I don't take offense to the disbelievers...I think if I hadn't experienced it myself, I would have not believed someone else telling me about this!
I think that most of the people who are sharing this experience did not ask or request it.....but I think that what we all have in common is a desire to ascend or transcend this physical existence that we're all participating in, but I don't think that the experience that we're living thru is necessary to ascend, but any fears will surely be gotten rid of...whatever they may be! Maybe this advanced training is only for those that really need it.....those who were working in a deficit! Certainly this experience has made me spiritually, mentally & emotionally stronger....I now,  know who I am and accept who I am!
Thanks again for the link.....
Take care.....


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: bluvisnu on May 18, 2010, 05:02:30
You will always have the choice between fear and love.
There is nothing to fear about these experiences as it is a part of our evolution and as we are immortals.
Love opens the doors of our consciousness to grow wider until we become the whole creation.
Fear is made from ignorance and love from divine light.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 18, 2010, 17:07:50
You will always have the choice between fear and love.
There is nothing to fear about these experiences as it is a part of our evolution and as we are immortals.
Love opens the doors of our consciousness to grow wider until we become the whole creation.
Fear is made from ignorance and love from divine light.
Hi again....
Initially, for the first 2 months, I was in fear......but that was a year ago and in the time that's transpired since then, I've learned to relax and view it differently! I am cautious, but I don't fear the beings that exist in the astral, if that is indeed the realm I'm viewing! I'm not in their control and I'm not trying to control them, but I think that the paradigms are changing.
As for my meditations, I've always viewed images and people participating in a variety of different activities and I do believe that some of those images are personally relevant to me, whether they are past lives or simultaneous lives.
My soul is eternal and has been to many different places in it's growth process and will continue!
I am always grateful for different perspectives as they usually opens doors of thought or knowledge.
Thank you for all of your responses....
Take care


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: personalreality on May 18, 2010, 17:49:24
there's no problem with being psychically active all the time.

you just need to learn to work with it.

learn to filter it and control it.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 18, 2010, 19:55:16
there's no problem with being psychically active all the time.

you just need to learn to work with it.

learn to filter it and control it.
Hey Rusty....
Yeah.....I don't worry about this anymore......I've learned a way to work with it by focusing and it seems to work pretty well, which might be filtering in your terminology, but when I'm really tired, focusing is much more difficult. Would I sometimes prefer to see only darkness when I close my eyes.......sure, particularly when I want to sleep! All the movement sometimes makes relaxation difficult! And yes, I really do tell these beings that I want to sleep.
I know that I'm not being controlled or possessed by anyone, but I understand someone else's concern for my well-being and I appreciate it! I think I have much better control over it today than before, so I'm progressing and everything is a learning experience, if you allow it to be.
As always, thank you for your kind thoughts.....


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Selea on May 19, 2010, 10:46:44
Selea.....
Initially, this experience really frightened me.....I didn't ask or request it to happen! And, I still don't know exactly why it's happened. Maybe I abused my psychic abilities in another life time and this is the "penance" or karma, if you will, that I need to pay! I do know that I can't shut it down....I've tried and nothing really works!

It will come in time. You are experiencing a fase. Everybody comes to it one time or another. You have come to it without doing nothing consciously, but everybody doing certain things will come to this point. You see, you think that you are "special". It is this sort of thought that it's dangerous. As I said, I've been there. I know what you are going through. You think you have nothing more, you say you are not special than others, yet you feel you have something more none the less, inside you. This happens yet more in your case, if you sort of receive this "gift" (as people calls it). If one works towards it the feeling is much subsided since in that case you know that everybody can do the same, given the right willpower to do so.

You already know in realtity how to close or filter what you "see", you are already doing it before going to bed, you said it to me, so you know how to do it, it is only that you like the feel of "power" it gives, the sense that you are "different". No matter if you ask "God" or whatever you call it, nonetheless you don't know what's around you. You don't test it nor acknowledge from where it comes forth. Also this is a typical inconvenience of people that found they can do these things without understanding why. I was one at beginning, yet I've learned the bad way that I had to approach this "gift" differently, and that in reality I was only a self-deluded idiot most of the time.

You see, either in the most "occult" or "esoteric" practice there must always be a sort of "scientific" approach or you are asking for a lot of self-delusion. Learning to control the experience doesn't mean that you fear it, nor does it mean that it is bad to be "open" all the time. It is done as a way to controlling the experience instead of being controlled by it. At the beginning this is most important, above all if you are experiencing it without understanding truly what's happening to you.

Please understand well why I'm telling you this. It is not to bring you down or sto say that you are doing something wrong. I've only seen something in my experience and I would like that others following the same path doesn't have to endure all the mistakes I've done in the past.

Best regards,
Selea


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 19, 2010, 18:32:41
It will come in time. You are experiencing a fase. Everybody comes to it one time or another. You have come to it without doing nothing consciously, but everybody doing certain things will come to this point. You see, you think that you are "special". It is this sort of thought that it's dangerous. As I said, I've been there. I know what you are going through. You think you have nothing more, you say you are not special than others, yet you feel you have something more none the less, inside you. This happens yet more in your case, if you sort of receive this "gift" (as people calls it). If one works towards it the feeling is much subsided since in that case you know that everybody can do the same, given the right willpower to do so.

You already know in realtity how to close or filter what you "see", you are already doing it before going to bed, you said it to me, so you know how to do it, it is only that you like the feel of "power" it gives, the sense that you are "different". No matter if you ask "God" or whatever you call it, nonetheless you don't know what's around you. You don't test it nor acknowledge from where it comes forth. Also this is a typical inconvenience of people that found they can do these things without understanding why. I was one at beginning, yet I've learned the bad way that I had to approach this "gift" differently, and that in reality I was only a self-deluded idiot most of the time.

You see, either in the most "occult" or "esoteric" practice there must always be a sort of "scientific" approach or you are asking for a lot of self-delusion. Learning to control the experience doesn't mean that you fear it, nor does it mean that it is bad to be "open" all the time. It is done as a way to controlling the experience instead of being controlled by it. At the beginning this is most important, above all if you are experiencing it without understanding truly what's happening to you.

Please understand well why I'm telling you this. It is not to bring you down or sto say that you are doing something wrong. I've only seen something in my experience and I would like that others following the same path doesn't have to endure all the mistakes I've done in the past.

Best regards,
Selea
Selea....
I think that you are wrong on several levels......I don't think that you have understood my posts or perhaps I didn't write it clearly enough for you to understand. I don't think that I'm "special"...at least not in the way that you're expressing it. I'm a pretty normal person who probably had a certain amount of psychic ability to begin with and it grew as I became ready to handle it! Do I think other people can have the same experiences that I've had.....absolutely! I think that there's a connection to "higher realms" because I expressed a desire to "ascend" and that expression was done with a pure intention! Not to be better or special, just to improve my understanding of different realms of existence and perhaps for confirmation of their existence!

I recently learned to focus on something else, so that I could sleep better! Most of the day, my eyes are open!  The "feel of power" that it gives????????
I'm not really sure where you're going with this......I don't need this ability to be empowered! I'm a strong, intelligent & educated woman and I've survived quite well for many years without this ability! I'm not using this ability in a negative way...I don't hurt people, I don't wish them harm and actually I wish all people well & hope that they find fulfillment in their lives.

I'm not deluding myself.....and I have no idea what your experience was, as you have not elaborated on it, you've only left mysterious clues that it was negative! Many people have negative experiences in a variety of situations and it doesn't have to prevent them from seeking the truth.
And I am seeking the truth, but not necessarily in the way that you have ! You stated that even in the  "occult" or "esoteric" practice that we need the scientific approach.....the problem with that sort of absolute statement, is that there is no definitive objective proof of what we all individually experience, which is part of the "scientific method"! And in the psychic realm......it's just not a scientifically measurable experience...in other words, it's not objective, it's subjective! If it were objective, more scientists would be performing all sorts of test to prove the psychic experiences that we've had. The only area in the psy realm where verifiable data can be ascertained is in meditation, where the change in brain waves that occurs during meditation is significant!

As far as my experiencing a "fase",.... during the year that this experience has been occurring, the experience has not been at a standstill, it has been progressing forward as I'm able to handle it. And yes, in time I will have better control over it and no, the experience is not controlling me, although it seems from your response that you're experience "controlled" you! I'm sorry about that! Many people can't gauge how to view my experience, because it is unusual and not the norm and my reason for posting in this forum was to see if other people have had the same experience & to compare notes....if you will!

As far as "not knowing what's around me"......I'd be willing to bet the farm that I have a pretty good idea of what's around me......I can see it when my eyes are closed......remember! As I've stated before....I have no idea what your negative experience was and it obviously left a definitive impression on you. Hopefully, you'll be able to transcend it....
Take care.....


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: CFTraveler on May 19, 2010, 22:59:11
I just have to ask... do all of you know each other from somewhere else?


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 20, 2010, 05:21:03
I just have to ask... do all of you know each other from somewhere else?

No....!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Selea on May 20, 2010, 11:29:54
Selea....
I think that you are wrong on several levels......I don't think that you have understood my posts or perhaps I didn't write it clearly enough for you to understand. I don't think that I'm "special"...at least not in the way that you're expressing it. I'm a pretty normal person who probably had a certain amount of psychic ability to begin with and it grew as I became ready to handle it! Do I think other people can have the same experiences that I've had.....absolutely! I think that there's a connection to "higher realms" because I expressed a desire to "ascend" and that expression was done with a pure intention! Not to be better or special, just to improve my understanding of different realms of existence and perhaps for confirmation of their existence!

This is one of the motives why I don't usually reply to these sort of things, especially in internet. People take everything too personal. Suffice to say that you know for yourself what you feel, and I'm not imposing anything at all. Reread what you wrote, it's all there, either if you understand it or not. Maybe you will understand what I'm saying in future, maybe not.

I'm not really sure where you're going with this......I don't need this ability to be empowered! I'm a strong, intelligent & educated woman and I've survived quite well for many years without this ability! I'm not using this ability in a negative way...I don't hurt people, I don't wish them harm and actually I wish all people well & hope that they find fulfillment in their lives.

Whenever I told you that you are using this in a negative way? I only told you that you are not controlling the experience and without understanding it you are taking everything for granted. You can think this a bad thing or not. As I said there are a lot of people that like to be "brought by hand" by everything. I'm not one of them.

And I am seeking the truth, but not necessarily in the way that you have ! You stated that even in the  "occult" or "esoteric" practice that we need the scientific approach.....the problem with that sort of absolute statement, is that there is no definitive objective proof of what we all individually experience, which is part of the "scientific method"! And in the psychic realm......it's just not a scientifically measurable experience...in other words, it's not objective, it's subjective! If it were objective, more scientists would be performing all sorts of test to prove the psychic experiences that we've had. The only area in the psy realm where verifiable data can be ascertained is in meditation, where the change in brain waves that occurs during meditation is significant!

You can think what you want, but believe me or not you are wrong. There are objective realities also in these things, and a lot. Testing things is a way to understand this, in time, as going to every plane and visit every "sphere". It requires a lot of effort, but there are not only subjective things to behold. As for "science" not be able to prove anything: the small part of "scientific" people that try to approach the thing testing this or that anyway don't like to do this or that. They like only to go on a direction and then mistake the X with the Y, thinking they understood the truth, whatever that means, knowing only a part of the whole. Same mistake done by religion in the past, only with a different point to start from. The approach is totally different, practice becomes the same, in the end.

Anyway at last you have a good "view" of the experience. It was much worser if you thought what you saw as empirical evidence of something.

As far as my experiencing a "fase",.... during the year that this experience has been occurring, the experience has not been at a standstill, it has been progressing forward as I'm able to handle it. And yes, in time I will have better control over it and no, the experience is not controlling me, although it seems from your response that you're experience "controlled" you! I'm sorry about that! Many people can't gauge how to view my experience, because it is unusual and not the norm and my reason for posting in this forum was to see if other people have had the same experience & to compare notes....if you will!

Also if you don't understanding it you are being controlled by what is happening to you. It is all written in what you have said till now. Everybody is controlled by the experience at first, you are not the first nor will be the last. I was controlled? Sure I was. Until you will not understand it you will be too, believe what I say or not.

As far as "not knowing what's around me"......I'd be willing to bet the farm that I have a pretty good idea of what's around me......I can see it when my eyes are closed......remember! As I've stated before....I have no idea what your negative experience was and it obviously left a definitive impression on you. Hopefully, you'll be able to transcend it....
Take care.....[/i]

So, tell me what's around you? I'm curious. You don't test it, you don't acknowledge from where what you "see" comes from. You don't try to ascertain the objectivity or the "plane" the things are from. You can believe all these things unnecessary, maybe, but yet, we return at the same question: will you have a stranger enter your house without knowing who he/she is? I think not. Then why you are doing the same here? Do you think that just because these "things" are not physical they are uneventful?

Anyway sorry if I replied to this matter. I know that it is difficult to talk of these things in internet. I shouldn't have. It is only that I know where these things can bring one if not controlled and I wanted to give you an advice. Take it for what it is or discard it fully.

Best regards,
Selea.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 20, 2010, 17:28:07
Selea....
Possibly your response was good intentioned, but I think that all you've done is attempt to spread fear.....fear of the unknown, fear of the known, fear of other beings in creation and to spread a certain amount of negativity.
I don't live in fear anymore & haven't for awhile....it's nonproductive! As I have previously stated, I have no idea what your experience has been and you haven't elaborated on it, so we are left with conjecture!
Your responses seem nonsensical....so either your comprehension or knowledge is limited.....in any event, there have been plenty of other people who have responded and given very valid suggestions. There are some really knowledgeable people on this forum and I appreciate their input immensely!
As far as taking things personally.....your attack on me was personal and I defended myself.
So, let's agree to disagree.....if I'm in need of any additional information from you, I'll contact you!
Thank you


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: sola~ on May 20, 2010, 22:46:13
following traditional beliefs that the third eye chakra is what allows one to view the astral I would say you should work on how to close it.. as maybe the problem is it is open too much, however I don't really know much about chakras. Either way I believe it is something that you can control yourself and not something that doesn't have an "off" switch.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Selea on May 21, 2010, 11:06:27
Selea....
Possibly your response was good intentioned, but I think that all you've done is attempt to spread fear.....fear of the unknown, fear of the known, fear of other beings in creation and to spread a certain amount of negativity.

Think what you want, I don't care. However you have not replied to my question, that was the only thing important of all the message. You only concerned yourself with petty a petty ego battle and discarded the most important part, namely: what it is that you "see"?

I've never brought you down, I never instilled you fear. I only told you to be attentive and not be controlled by the experience.

I don't live in fear anymore & haven't for awhile....it's nonproductive! As I have previously stated, I have no idea what your experience has been and you haven't elaborated on it, so we are left with conjecture!

Listen. I never feared anything in all my life. I never told you that you should have fear. I only told you to try to understand what you are "seeing". What this does have to do with fear? Having no fear and being controlled are two separate things, believe it or not. You can think that what I say is only conjecture if that does good to you at this moment. I only told you a thing that maybe one day you will understand, maybe not.

Your responses seem nonsensical....so either your comprehension or knowledge is limited.....in any event, there have been plenty of other people who have responded and given very valid suggestions. There are some really knowledgeable people on this forum and I appreciate their input immensely!

So let me guess. If people tell you you are doing all well and what you do is extremely correct then they are knowlegeable. If instead someone else elaborates clearly why you are putting yourself open to trouble but his point of view doesn't coincide with what you think it means that this person is an idiot. Good to know.

Sorry, no, you haven't a problem of ego brought upon you by the experience, you are right. I was wrong, you see. What I told you are all lies.

As far as taking things personally.....your attack on me was personal and I defended myself.

I never attacked you personally. This is how you see it. I only told you that I know the trouble one is open to in these moments. I told you that it's better to learn to control and test what one sees. You said to me that you know perfectly what you are "seeing". Yet it seems to me that you didn't reply to my question on what exactly what you "see" is.

Why people cannot go beyond these little things sometimes and focus on objective things instead of taking everything as a personal insult to their ego?

So, let's agree to disagree.....if I'm in need of any additional information from you, I'll contact you!
Thank you [/i]

Right. Just for interest I will quote you a passage of a lecture given by the G.D. about these things. Maybe you will listen more to these people since they are more knowledgeable than me (sarcasm intended naturally).

"These natural clairvoyants are considered dangerous inasmuch that they open portals to energies far beyond their limits of control. These energies may come in forms that may be seemingly positive changes in one's life or positive growth, where in fact it is nothing more than a stumbling block that will not only affect them in years to come, but also affect those surrounding them."

Best regards,
Selea.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 21, 2010, 16:44:59
Selea....

You're really not able to let this go of this! You stated "think what you want"....but yet, you're not content to let me do just that! It seems that you have your own issues with control. You stated " Why people cannot go beyond these little things sometimes and focus on objective things instead of taking everything as a personal insult to their ego?" My response is yes Selea, why are you not able to do that?  It seems as though you've sustained a personal insult to your ego! The one fact that seems quite obvious is that you can not have anyone disagreeing with you, which is indicative of a massive EGO! So when you referred to a "petty ego battle", perhaps it was your ego that's having this battle...not mine!

If you had bothered to read "any" of my earlier posts, I've described what I see, but your ego is only seeing what it wants to see(to confirm your own belief system) and you seem to believe that you have supreme knowledge of all of creation......get over yourself and your ego...no one person knows everything! It's my belief that we all hold different pieces of the puzzle, which is one of the main reasons that forums like Astral Pulse are important!
 
As far as not answering questions.....what exactly was this mysterious experience that you had that was so much like mine? If it had been indeed
like mine that "you know exactly what I'm going through"....since I've already laid-bare my experience. why not elaborate on yours in your own post?

In actuality, there have been several members who have posed some serious questions about my experience...."personalreality", who I personally think is probably a genius and understands really complex areas of human consciousness ....please read some of his responses to me on the first few pages! Another person who "did not" just agree with me was "Xanth"....he has a more down-to-earth approach(obviously very well read), but still posed some important questions, and even when I had some doubts, both of these people. because they are ADULTS, were able to handle my point of view, without their ego's being threatened. "Stookie" always adds some very important down-to-earth concepts and I totally appreciate all of their contributions because they cause me to question areas of my experience and sometimes their questions open doors to a different point of view..! That's part of what this forum is about........

As far as your quote of "G.D.".....I have stated numerous times that there are positives & negatives to this experience and from my experience, there are growing pains to everything! These beings have never harmed me and they've had plenty of time and more than ample opportunity to do so. It always amazing to me that whenever you respond, you dismiss much of what I've said in other posts, as if I had never said them or you had not read them.....curious!

I've have never called you an idiot, but you've alluded that I must be one, so with this in mind....! Let me reiterate what I have said prior to this response......WE NEED TO AGREE TO DISAGREE about this! I have taken your view into consideration and that's all I'm willing to do with it! Do you understand? If I need any further assistance from you....I'll contact you!
If you have "any" common sense, you'll let this go! I have the right to incorporate ideas that personally resonate with me & "reject" ones that don't! That little idea is called "free will".....something you should allow others to use! It's fine to give cautionary warnings to someone, it is entirely another situation to attack someone for a differing point of view....which is what you've done even if you prefer to not acknowledge your actions! I would imagine, that you are like this in person, and we would obviously not have a harmonious relationship...so let's leave it as that!
Thank you


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on May 21, 2010, 17:09:54
C'mon folks... let's not argue please.
You don't have to agree with each other, but you do have to respect each others opinions.

Let's not continue this line of bickering.  :)

This thread is full of great information, it'd be a shame for a mod to lock it up due to disagreements that people couldn't get past.  :/

~Ryan


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 21, 2010, 19:50:29
C'mon folks... let's not argue please.
You don't have to agree with each other, but you do have to respect each others opinions.

Let's not continue this line of bickering.  :)

This thread is full of great information, it'd be a shame for a mod to lock it up due to disagreements that people couldn't get past.  :/

~Ryan
Hi.....
I couldn't agree more & I won't be responding to her again!
Thank you


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 21, 2010, 20:45:24
following traditional beliefs that the third eye chakra is what allows one to view the astral I would say you should work on how to close it.. as maybe the problem is it is open too much, however I don't really know much about chakras. Either way I believe it is something that you can control yourself and not something that doesn't have an "off" switch.

Hi there....

Some of the people that I've spoken to, who have spent a considerable amount of time in AP have advised that there is no shut-off for the 3rd eye chakra...sort of like a door that has been opened and can't be shut. I am getting better at controlling it, so I think there's hope for me yet!
Thanks for your response....it's appreciated!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: sola~ on May 22, 2010, 02:16:41
Hi there....

Some of the people that I've spoken to, who have spent a considerable amount of time in AP have advised that there is no shut-off for the 3rd eye chakra...sort of like a door that has been opened and can't be shut. I am getting better at controlling it, so I think there's hope for me yet!
Thanks for your response....it's appreciated!


from what I understand.. if you stop charging it the energy center will weaken thus it will lose the effects, however you've made me interested to see if charging it really does give such effects regardless of the validity of this thread. Not that I'm saying you're lying, simply that I've yet to encounter someone with this certain specific ability so I can not say for certain it is truly possible as I'd rather not be attacked for seemingly thought of saying so as even If I were to be this now serves as a deterrent for one to do so..~


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 23, 2010, 05:40:01
from what I understand.. if you stop charging it the energy center will weaken thus it will lose the effects, however you've made me interested to see if charging it really does give such effects regardless of the validity of this thread. Not that I'm saying you're lying, simply that I've yet to encounter someone with this certain specific ability so I can not say for certain it is truly possible as I'd rather not be attacked for seemingly thought of saying so as even If I were to be this now serves as a deterrent for one to do so..~
Hi Sola.....
As far as charging my energy center.....the beings that I see are able to touch me and they usually touch my chakra's and I believe it's to raise my vibrational frequency......I'm not sure if that's what you were referring to! So, for the last year, my chakra's haven't had an opportunity to weaken.....in fact, if anything, they're stronger that ever before.
Realistically, if someone had explained they're experience as I have mine, before I experienced it, I don't know if I would have believed them, so it's ok to be a nonbeliever. There are several other members of this forum who have this ability as well & a few other people that I've met outside of this forum.
I just have an issue with someone who doesn't want me to have my own point of view about an experience that I'm having....it almost seems as though my experience is being invalidated by disallowing my point of view! I appreciate the fact that you are allowing me to have my own opinion as never before......thank you!
And thanks for your input...it's appreciated!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: personalreality on May 23, 2010, 18:13:10
me and soli were talking about this the other day in chat.

you cannot close or turn off a chakra.  doesn't work like that.

you're chakras aren't portals that open to another dimension or something, they are energy interchange points.  they receive energy from your environment and filter it and then broadcast that info to your non-local awareness.  they also direct your energy. 

each one filters in a different way, so focusing on energizing a specific energy center will allow you to perceive through it's envioronmental filters, ie, the third eye deals with psychic vision and perception, the heart deals with feeling and emotion, the solar plexus deals with will and manifestation of the creative center the sacral chakra.  When you spend time meditating on one or more of these, you move your focus of attention to perceive more through them, thereby effecting your perception of your environment.

these energy centers are kind of like anchor points as well, they allow your awareness to stay connected to this body.  they also function as an antenna collectively.  both broadcasting and receiving input from the environment and your awareness.

think of them like muscles.  if you don't exercise them they become atrophied and less of your focus of attention moves through them.  but when you exercise them they become stronger and attract more of your awareness.  If you strengthen all of them to a point of total functionality then you will consistently perceive your reality through all of them.  this might be akin to a level of mastery, a very "advanced" sense of your reality.  congruency between what your whole being perceives and what your awareness actually receives.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on May 23, 2010, 18:18:37
I actually believe that if you were able to fully close off your chakras... your physical body would cease to operate.

~Ryan


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: sola~ on May 23, 2010, 23:05:29
yeah, I should probably stop using the open/close terminology as its very misused.. and makes one think close as 0%, and open as 100% charged, when this is not the case so I'll simply use the word charged..

I use 'stimulated' because I think of them as organs, even if not wholly physical.

works for me

Hi Sola.....
As far as charging my energy center.....the beings that I see are able to touch me and they usually touch my chakra's and I believe it's to raise my vibrational frequency......I'm not sure if that's what you were referring to! So, for the last year, my chakra's haven't had an opportunity to weaken.....in fact, if anything, they're stronger that ever before.
Realistically, if someone had explained they're experience as I have mine, before I experienced it, I don't know if I would have believed them, so it's ok to be a nonbeliever. There are several other members of this forum who have this ability as well & a few other people that I've met outside of this forum.
I just have an issue with someone who doesn't want me to have my own point of view about an experience that I'm having....it almost seems as though my experience is being invalidated by disallowing my point of view! I appreciate the fact that you are allowing me to have my own opinion as never before......thank you!
And thanks for your input...it's appreciated!


I don't see why beings would want to touch you or your chakras(man that sounds dirty for some reason), anyways, you'd think they'd get bored after awhile and move on to some other random activity. It doesn't seem logical that for days random beings would be touching you for no reason, really if such is the case I would say they're subjective and you need to erase them from your mind. If you know of members that have constant astral sight of beings that like to touch them for days then I'd like to know who they are to study this touching epidemic! *softly touches your chakra*


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: CFTraveler on May 23, 2010, 23:07:42
I use 'stimulated' because I think of them as organs, even if not wholly physical.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Xanth on May 23, 2010, 23:21:40
I use 'stimulated' because I think of them as organs, even if not wholly physical.
I'd have to agree with that terminology usage.
It really does best describe what it going on with it.

~Ryan


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: sola~ on May 23, 2010, 23:24:13
well they are definitely a part of the physical body


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: CFTraveler on May 23, 2010, 23:36:10
Hence my term 'not wholly'.   :wink:


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: sola~ on May 23, 2010, 23:45:05
Hence my term 'not wholly'.   :wink:

not holy or holey? but yes, I understand, I just don't know in what areas of consciousness they're present in also..


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: CFTraveler on May 23, 2010, 23:47:45
wholly (http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/wholly)= completely, totally, like whole.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: sola~ on May 23, 2010, 23:49:52
wholly (http://www.merriam-webster.com/netdict/wholly)= completely, totally, like whole.

yes.. I wasn't being serious.. lol, I prefer dictionary.com btw


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: CFTraveler on May 23, 2010, 23:51:06
Hey sola.
Are you the sola I know?


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: sola~ on May 23, 2010, 23:53:34
its doubtable, since this is the first time on a forum I've been sola, but, you do ever so remind me of someone I use to know.. I suppose it is the radiance you both show


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 24, 2010, 03:40:27
yeah, I should probably stop using the open/close terminology as its very misused.. and makes one think close as 0%, and open as 100% charged, when this is not the case so I'll simply use the word charged..

works for me

I don't see why beings would want to touch you or your chakras(man that sounds dirty for some reason), anyways, you'd think they'd get bored after awhile and move on to some other random activity. It doesn't seem logical that for days random beings would be touching you for no reason, really if such is the case I would say they're subjective and you need to erase them from your mind. If you know of members that have constant astral sight of beings that like to touch them for days then I'd like to know who they are to study this touching epidemic! *softly touches your chakra*

LOL...Sola....I'm rolling on the floor laughing!!!! I think that probably "stimulate" is more accurate & appropriate! Yeah, when they initially started stimulating my chakra's.....it felt pretty weird to me too. If you're chakra's are stimulated enough...they vibrate. The first few months when this began, I felt as if I had been plugged into an electrical socket & I would literally vibrate for several hours afterward. I don't think that I can erase them from my mind....I tried that early on and no go! *softly touches your chakra* Hahahahhahaha   you're too funny!!!!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 24, 2010, 03:56:55
yeah, I should probably stop using the open/close terminology as its very misused.. and makes one think close as 0%, and open as 100% charged, when this is not the case so I'll simply use the word charged..

works for me

I don't see why beings would want to touch you or your chakras(man that sounds dirty for some reason), anyways, you'd think they'd get bored after awhile and move on to some other random activity. It doesn't seem logical that for days random beings would be touching you for no reason, really if such is the case I would say they're subjective and you need to erase them from your mind. If you know of members that have constant astral sight of beings that like to touch them for days then I'd like to know who they are to study this touching epidemic! *softly touches your chakra*

Hi again.....as far as members- NoY....NoY is able to see beings by closing his eyes and bluvisnu, is able to as well, but I'm not sure if there's touching or stimulation going on....? Touching or stimulating isn't all that the beings do.....they put images in my mind to show me different scenarios....sometimes recognizable and sometimes not! Sometimes they have me view geometric shapes and some of those are able to stimulate my chakra's as well. They've shown me star maps......of where, I have no clue! A friend of mine isn't entirely convinced that the beings are from the astral realm....he thinks they are from a different density, which is why they have the ability to actually "touch" me! He is convinced that I've known these particular beings before...in another time or place!  I honestly don't know if I've known them before, but there is something familiar about them! If you can figure this out, I'll nominate you for a Nobel Prize!!!!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: G01kur_Kisel on May 24, 2010, 14:22:39
hmm But how do you sleep at night annika? or how can you fall asleep? do you tell them to go away I have to sleep now or what?


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 24, 2010, 18:53:48
me and soli were talking about this the other day in chat.

you cannot close or turn off a chakra.  doesn't work like that.

you're chakras aren't portals that open to another dimension or something, they are energy interchange points.  they receive energy from your environment and filter it and then broadcast that info to your non-local awareness.  they also direct your energy. 

each one filters in a different way, so focusing on energizing a specific energy center will allow you to perceive through it's envioronmental filters, ie, the third eye deals with psychic vision and perception, the heart deals with feeling and emotion, the solar plexus deals with will and manifestation of the creative center the sacral chakra.  When you spend time meditating on one or more of these, you move your focus of attention to perceive more through them, thereby effecting your perception of your environment.

these energy centers are kind of like anchor points as well, they allow your awareness to stay connected to this body.  they also function as an antenna collectively.  both broadcasting and receiving input from the environment and your awareness.

think of them like muscles.  if you don't exercise them they become atrophied and less of your focus of attention moves through them.  but when you exercise them they become stronger and attract more of your awareness.  If you strengthen all of them to a point of total functionality then you will consistently perceive your reality through all of them.  this might be akin to a level of mastery, a very "advanced" sense of your reality.  congruency between what your whole being perceives and what your awareness actually receives.

Hey Rusty....
Thank you for the great info.....I had spoken to my brothers about this and they had said basically the same thing about chakra's. Your explanations are always full of useful info, not just for me, but for others as well ......it's appreciated!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: personalreality on May 24, 2010, 19:12:04
i know.

i'm awesome  :-D


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 24, 2010, 19:12:33
hmm But how do you sleep at night annika? or how can you fall asleep? do you tell them to go away I have to sleep now or what?

Hi....
Initially, sleep was hard to come by and I was walking around almost comatose for awhile. However, that only occurred for a couple of months and then I started asking for times here and there for them to let me sleep.......but yeah, sometimes I'll tell them that I need to sleep and they'll back off and let me....and now, I focus on a painting that I have in my bedroom that's of a very tranquil setting and conducive to relaxation  and sleep. I know that they're still doing energy work on my chakra's because I wake up vibrating, but sometimes they wait until I'm asleep!
 I get a very real feeling from them that there's a "time constraint" at work here and I've felt it from the very beginning! As if there's not much time to "jack-around" with! I think that they know a lot more than they are able to communicate, but what that is.....your guess is as good as mine?
Thanks for your response!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 24, 2010, 19:13:47
i know.

i'm awesome  :-D

Indeed you are and it's healthy that you know it!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 24, 2010, 19:29:09
I actually believe that if you were able to fully close off your chakras... your physical body would cease to operate.

~Ryan
Hey Ryan....
When I said I tried to shut it down,,,,I actually at one point stopped meditating, because I thought that it might have an effect....it didn't and meditation for me, has so many positive effects that it just wasn't worth it, even if it had worked!
Thanks for your response.....


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: G01kur_Kisel on May 24, 2010, 20:35:33
Well, bless them^^ I guess that is the best thing you can do. Or you can sign up for a reading from magenta pixie and the nine, they will surely tell you what is going on^^
http://magentapixie.weebly.com/
and here is her youtube channel, Ive heard every single one haha^^
http://www.youtube.com/user/MagentaPixie2012#p/u


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Choice777 on May 28, 2010, 17:18:50
Hi Noy....
 I was interested in Ascension and as soon as I verbalized the statement, all sorts of strange things began to happen.


Can you tell us what this statement is ? How to do it ? Just say it out loud ?


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on May 31, 2010, 07:25:18
Can you tell us what this statement is ? How to do it ? Just say it out loud ?

Just say it, but intention is all important!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Yin on May 31, 2010, 14:43:45
"Ascension!" did it work?


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Choice777 on May 31, 2010, 19:48:14
Just say it

? I mean like what's the phrase ?  Just say ... what exactly ?


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on June 01, 2010, 08:30:26
? I mean like what's the phrase ?  Just say ... what exactly ?

You're sort of missing the point...the phrasing of it isn't as important as the intention! I don't remember my exact words and it can be phrased anyway that's comfortable for you! I mean, look up ascension on the internet....read and understand what it's truly about! If you're serious about it, you'll probably need to make whatever changes in your life that are necessary.....I did! Bad habits need to go, negative thoughts need to go, meditate, meditate & meditate more and there are ascension symptoms that occur as well.
As I said before, it's the intention that's all important....mine was a positive intention! I wasn't trying to gain a 2nd sight or any other ability....it's very individualized and different for each person. We're all here to learn different lessons.....life is a school and if you learn your individual lessons well, it's possible to ascend to the next density(dimension). All paths lead to the same endpoint  and they all lead back to our Creator. If you're willing to do the work, you'll get there....but there are no free rides and no short cuts! And don't try shortcuts....they don't work! Meditation is the most effective method to raise your vibrational frequency, positive thoughts and live in joy.....all of these will ultimately allow you to ascend to the next density(dimension)!
Hope this helps.......


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on June 01, 2010, 08:33:38
"Ascension!" did it work?

I'm working on it.....I'll let you know how it goes!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Yin on June 01, 2010, 13:14:12
I'm working on it.....I'll let you know how it goes!

thanks, I'm expecting results!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Pauli2 on September 29, 2010, 00:39:05
I'm one of those who haven't been able to do any conscious projecting. So this is just questions from me.

Annika, what you are experiencing is quite unique. Have you considered writing the details down and perhaps publish a book?

I would think that certain things could be interesting to know more in detail. For example how the beings look. How many of them there are, How often they come. How they communicate with each others.

Why they want to put work on you? At which point of the day they do their best work, etc?

The details of the star map, etc.

Unless you have to much other work of course. :)


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on October 05, 2010, 17:12:31
I'm one of those who haven't been able to do any conscious projecting. So this is just questions from me.

Annika, what you are experiencing is quite unique. Have you considered writing the details down and perhaps publish a book?

I would think that certain things could be interesting to know more in detail. For example how the beings look. How many of them there are, How often they come. How they communicate with each others.

Why they want to put work on you? At which point of the day they do their best work, etc?

The details of the star map, etc.

Unless you have to much other work of course. :)

Hello Pauli....

Thanks for responding! I use to think that what I was experiencing was somewhat unique, but I have found out that there are a rather large number of people who are having similar experiences. Most start out like mine did with seeing flashes of light when their eyes are closed and then a perceptual change begins. You begin to discern light and dark shadows and at some point after that, you begin to notice that the light and dark shadows are moving! And no, these are not "hypnagogic hallucinations" that some associate to this experience! If  you focus even more on the light and dark, you will  notice figures coming into focus and yes, they are humanoid-type beings. I don't think that the beings are exactly like you and I, but maybe a certain amount of similarity DNA-wise!

What I'm going to say next may sound a little "woo-woo", but I think that mankind is going to be getting a DNA upgrade soon and I think that this upgrade has already begun.  I've referred to it before as ascension, but it is an upgrading. If you have been preparing for it thru meditation and other esoteric practices, then your body is already showing indications of the upgrade occurring. If you haven't been preparing, then the changes might be harder to assimilate, but not impossible! I think that the veil between dimensions is thinning.....in other words, the boundaries that exist between our 3D and other dimensions is becoming thinner and eventually that boundary will seemingly disappear, but not really, because it's the upgrade in DNA that will perceptually cause the boundary to disappear. Not everyone will feel comfortable with my explanation of what's occurring and it's really up to each individual to discern what resonates with them.

As far as your suggestion of writing a book detailing my experiences....that's something that I might have considered at one point, but now my interest lies in helping anyone else who is experiencing this to understand that they are not going crazy, but are indeed undergoing a change that is spiritual and physical, because this upgrade encompasses both. As your understanding and enlightenment increases, so do the physical changes. 

The amount of energy work that the beings facilitate is probably dependent upon the needs of the individual! Initially, a great deal of work was going on 24/7, and then, it occurred more at night and now it goes on as I sleep. The star maps are of the Pleiades star cluster and I've also seen symbols and graphics that are foreign to me and apparently others as well. I've done extensive checking on the symbols and have found nothing that resembles them!

I think that we all have a certain amount of DNA from the stars, because that's where we're from. The upgrading is causing our so called "junk DNA" to activate! I hope it will cause all of us to be kinder to one another, to treat others as we wish to be treated, and to evolve out of the war-like mentality that we seem to be so preoccupied with and to stop seeing divisions of race and ethnicity! We are all eternal spiritual beings and we chose to be here at this time to participate in a celestial event! I feel very fortunate to be here and eternally grateful for the opportunity to experience this! I hope everyone else will too....!

Thank you again for responding,
Annika


 


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: radman32 on October 07, 2010, 08:35:37
So when you said you could see figures and shapes in light and dark shadows, that was during a fully conscious state? I've had many instances where I've perceived wave like formations of figures crossing me, while I was chilled to the bone w/ focus. I believe this is what you are referencing. Now you say you've seen Pleiades's constellation, when did these visions occur? Just asking, because I've had a constant shape held in focus of orbs of light distortion, although this occurs generally while heavily focused or looking into light indirectly.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Annika on October 07, 2010, 17:34:26
So when you said you could see figures and shapes in light and dark shadows, that was during a fully conscious state? I've had many instances where I've perceived wave like formations of figures crossing me, while I was chilled to the bone w/ focus. I believe this is what you are referencing. Now you say you've seen Pleiades's constellation, when did these visions occur? Just asking, because I've had a constant shape held in focus of orbs of light distortion, although this occurs generally while heavily focused or looking into light indirectly.

Hello....
The light and dark shadows were very early on and yes, I saw them in a fully conscious state with my eyes closed. However, then the shapes that were moving became more discernible and after several months, and when focusing in on them, I realized what they were! The Pleiades constellation map was seen after asking them for info a couple of months ago, after I had initially posted this thread. When I look into a light directly, but slightly squint my eyes, I sometimes see a different place than I'm actually at and people, who look like us, but are dressed differently and I don't think that they are seeing me....it is possible that I'm remote viewing, but I don't know that and have never tried to remote view. Some of the things that I can do are not abilities that I've desired or even practiced to acquire, which is the reason that I believe that there is definitely something else going on.

It's like hearing tones and frequencies.....many people believe that they have tinnitus, but I went to a hearing specialist 2 years ago and I have perfect hearing, which is amazing to me considering all the loud music and concerts I've been to, when I was younger of course! My belief is that the tones and frequencies are wake-up calls or alarms, that are coded in our DNA, to not only wake us up, but to start the process of activating our DNA for the upgrade that I spoke of in an earlier post.

Please understand, what I've stated is my opinion of what's going on and I have no objective proof to quantify it other than the abilities that I've stated previously(which did not present themselves before 2 years ago) and what's going on with others that I've spoken to. I wish that I knew more.......

Thanks for responding....


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Pauli2 on October 07, 2010, 17:49:11
My belief is that the tones and frequencies are wake-up calls or alarms, that are coded in our DNA, to not only wake us up, but to start the process of activating our DNA for the upgrade that I spoke of in an earlier post.

Hi, Annika!
Have you had any experiences which make you think it is "DNA" those beings have altered? Couldn't they just be tampering with our astral bodies?

Changes to DNA would be quite simple to detect, and to me, DNA is very physical, not an astral matter.

I mean, those beings seem to be non-physical, so it would be simplest for them to alter the non-physical bodies of others. What I wonder is if those beings have asked for permission to alter our "DNA"?

I'm not sure either what you mean by "activating" our DNA. Do you mean that new proteins are formed or do you mean that various cells (that no longer a stem cells) alter their behavior? In which organs? The brain?


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: radman32 on October 08, 2010, 07:26:52
I think he means just in a general process, activating latent abilities.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: TheLight on October 21, 2010, 18:30:13
I've had access to another realm in a similar experience as to yours. It only happened once for a short period and it was really cool :)

While in a relaxed state I was listening to a specific sound meditation called dimensional attunment. And a cute blue being appeared walking thru a door that appeared in my mind! Only lasted for a few seconds before it went away.. i opened my eyes and he was gone !

The meditation I was doing was for increasing awareness of/in the pineal gland.. from what i understand the pineal gland is made of crystals and by focusing on it you can "active" it.. and then you will start to see the lights behind the eyes and even be able to tune into other parallel universes, dimensions, other awareness of existence, etc.. at first when I started I would see blackness, like many people.. then I started to see colors..  from then colors turned to shapes, people, faces, places, etc.. then a door appeared and a being came thru it... like a movie in my mind! little energy movie in my mind lol..

For those that experience this extra sensory at all times... It is normal for people to experience this when they have brought the kundalini energy to the top of the head. The kundalini energy is brought to the pineal gland.. And the pineal gland is able to access other experiences of consciousness.. Depending on your belief system and vibrational state- this is what will be attracted to you during these experiences.

Maybe some of these beings are your guides/ friends?? Guides and other beings can do energy healings for us. Maybe they are touching your chakras as healing work?


Changes to DNA would be quite simple to detect, and to me, DNA is very physical, not an astral matter.

DNA is physical and astral


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: FirstWave on October 25, 2010, 04:57:53
I have done this all my life but now at times it seems I can go down a spiraling tunnel and then fall into a 3 dimensional realm. The entities I see whether human or not are full 3 dimensional and their eyes are what I notice first. They are looking at me and at times they shift their eyes around. So the eyes are the windows of the soul.

So you are not alone. Not sure if what you see when you close your eyes is the astral or 3rd eye. Would also like that answer.

There is also another thing that I seem to do but can not control it at all and it only lasts a very short time and I tend to call it going into another dimension. It's only happens while in a trance but am awake also. It is different than just closing your eyes but what is seen visually is exactly the same as if your eyes are open into this 3d construct. The realm is complete and looks just as real as this one. Would like to learn how to stay in that place longer to explore and speak to the people or entities I have seen there. There are also other ways that I can see/perceive things.

Am new to the forum so hope to learn all about the astral and spiritual realms.


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: Pauli2 on October 25, 2010, 13:02:27
Am new to the forum so hope to learn all about the astral and spiritual realms.

My Gauwwd!

You already are a Master!

I'm looking forward to reading any book you write about your experiences!


Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: FirstWave on October 25, 2010, 23:59:49
Thanks Pauli2! I am here to learn about the phenomena that I experience and hopefully learn how to interact with the astral better. It will be a while before any kind of a  book happens if there is one.



Title: Re: Has anyone had access to the astral realm. just by closing their eyes.....
Post by: smatter19 on March 19, 2012, 12:36:22
WOW... It is so nice to know I am not the only one that can do this.. I have always wanted to talk to anyone else that has expirenced this. I close my eyes and there they are. Sometimes there are alot and sometimes there are only 1 or 2. I see little ones and big ones. I can feel them when they stroke my hair or my face. I know they can read my mind, because when I think of a question like to wave at me, they wave at me. Or when they are getting ready to walk away I in my mind ask them not to leave just yet and they don't. I just wish knew what or why. It seems as if they are trying to tell me something because they are always moving there hands as if they are trying to show me something. And I just have'nt figured out what they are trying to tell me. All I know is I am so grateful I found this website and I want to thank the person or person's who started it. I hope to meet some new friends here so we may share our expirences. I thank you all..