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Title: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 16, 2010, 17:18:06
I've compiled all of Franks posts relating to Phasing and Astral Projection.
I'll host it over on my webspace for as long as I can.

It's 1187 pages long... and is almost a 4mb download.

Let me know if there are any issues and I'll try to correct them.

EDIT: In my haste, I forgot to check whether the links still worked.  They do not work in the PDF... as they don't convert over as click able links.  With that said, I'll just put up the Microsoft Word document I used to make the file in and you can just view that instead.  I'll leave the PDF up as well.

EDIT2: Thanks xufwipp, I don't use OpenOffice, but I was able to save the file properly in Word keeping all links working.  Thanks for the idea.  :)  It made the file slightly larger, it's now almost 7mb... but that's nothing that high speed connections can't deal with today.  hehe

https://www.dropbox.com/s/z0mdilfmsymjkz9/FranksPosts.pdf?dl=0

Enjoy!

~Ryan


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: personalreality on April 16, 2010, 17:39:48
nice


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: vipassana on April 17, 2010, 13:48:59
Thanks for doing that!


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Timandra on April 17, 2010, 16:40:47
Thank you!  :-)


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Mr. Happy on April 17, 2010, 21:46:08
Thank you so much for taking the time to do that Xanth.  I really enjoy reading Frank's posts, he was one amazing individual. 


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: xufwipp on April 17, 2010, 22:58:37
Hello Xanth,

EDIT: In my haste, I forgot to check whether the links still worked.  They do not work in the PDF... as they don't convert over as click able links.  With that said, I'll just put up the Microsoft Word document I used to make the file in and you can just view that instead.  I'll leave the PDF up as well.

Just a tip: if you open your .doc file with OpenOffice, you can export it to PDF and preserve the links. I've just tested with this file and the links were OK.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: mcdwg on April 18, 2010, 01:19:08
Thanks Xanth. This is a good read.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Luckilee on April 18, 2010, 08:03:27
I am currently reading through the page on Frank's views and experiences with Phasing, and I'm sure I will find this to be a great help later on as well.

However, I wonder how you made this file? Did you go through and copy/paste every post? I fear that the same could have been accomplished through a fairly simple database query, although all the formatting and organizing would have still needed to be done. Either way, I thank you for your time and effort, and I'm not trying to rain on your parade or anything - just suggesting another method if you ever need to do something like this again.

EDIT: Also, if perhaps someone still has an old forum backup, it may still be possible to recover his old posts. Probably no such luck though.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Luckilee on April 18, 2010, 08:54:11
This is directed towards Xanth specifically, but I am posting it here in the hopes that anyone else in my position will read it and be positively influenced by it; in the IRC channel yesterday, I told you that I didn't want to read too much into Frank's experiences as I didn't want it to affect my own experiences once I am able to project/phase. Suffice it to say that I have read far enough now to know that if I would have stopped reading before I really got into (at least) section 2 of his page, it would have been a huge mistake. I won't go into great detail with this, but I believe that a lot of what Frank is writing about is very much in tune with what I have always hoped/suspected to be true of "death" and the "afterlife".  :wink: I am not saying that I'm going to just read and believe everything - I fully intend to experiment and formulate my own beliefs, once I am able to do so; but reading much of what Frank has written has positively affected me in a way I never would have thought to be possible from a collection of forum posts from a man I had never heard of until recently.  :cry:


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: faxman on April 18, 2010, 10:39:15
amazing !

Thanks a lot Xanth :)


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: WASD on April 18, 2010, 11:46:15
LOL I was randomly thinking a few days ago "What if all franks forumposts would become a book?" and here it is :-D

I uploaded it to Zippyshare aswell, my favorite filehost-site. No registration needed, just upload up to 200mb per file. Fast servers. I've been using it for a year and it has never been down. Add the link to the first post if you want :)
http://www21.zippyshare.com/v/52223978/file.html

edit: new version with working links in it.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 18, 2010, 16:42:49
I am currently reading through the page on Frank's views and experiences with Phasing, and I'm sure I will find this to be a great help later on as well.

However, I wonder how you made this file? Did you go through and copy/paste every post? I fear that the same could have been accomplished through a fairly simple database query, although all the formatting and organizing would have still needed to be done. Either way, I thank you for your time and effort, and I'm not trying to rain on your parade or anything - just suggesting another method if you ever need to do something like this again.

EDIT: Also, if perhaps someone still has an old forum backup, it may still be possible to recover his old posts. Probably no such luck though.
Actually, I thought it would have been that simple as well.
But, due to the nature of how the search function works, it's not.
The posts would have been laid out horribly... and, I don't have access to the database functions.

I had the time, so I figured I'd just copy and paste them all into a semi-pleasing format.  ;)

This is directed towards Xanth specifically, but I am posting it here in the hopes that anyone else in my position will read it and be positively influenced by it; in the IRC channel yesterday, I told you that I didn't want to read too much into Frank's experiences as I didn't want it to affect my own experiences once I am able to project/phase. Suffice it to say that I have read far enough now to know that if I would have stopped reading before I really got into (at least) section 2 of his page, it would have been a huge mistake. I won't go into great detail with this, but I believe that a lot of what Frank is writing about is very much in tune with what I have always hoped/suspected to be true of "death" and the "afterlife".  :wink: I am not saying that I'm going to just read and believe everything - I fully intend to experiment and formulate my own beliefs, once I am able to do so; but reading much of what Frank has written has positively affected me in a way I never would have thought to be possible from a collection of forum posts from a man I had never heard of until recently.  :cry:
Those are my thoughts exactly.
I've managed to formulate my own theories over the past 10 years regarding these topics, however it wasn't until I read Franks posts that I had some of the minute details filled in.
In a very "athiest" and "scientific" way, he has helped me detail my opinions and beliefs in a way I didn't know I could.  :)

~Ryan  :)


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Velvet V. on April 18, 2010, 17:45:58
Would you elucidate on this Frank person? I'm new to OBE-related Internet forums and haven't heard of him. His theories I can read up on, but I want to ask something about him that might be hard to find out quickly. What is of big interest for me is how frequently could he OBE and how long did his OBEs generally last?


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 18, 2010, 18:27:11
Would you elucidate on this Frank person? I'm new to OBE-related Internet forums and haven't heard of him. His theories I can read up on, but I want to ask something about him that might be hard to find out quickly. What is of big interest for me is how frequently could he OBE and how long did his OBEs generally last?
By the time he disappeared he was OBEing regularly many times every morning.
They lasted 30 minutes to a couple hours.

http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html


~Ryan  :)


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Velvet V. on April 18, 2010, 18:29:29
Can you please sum up on how did he get them to be so long? The link describes initiation technique and his ideas on structuring his OBE-worlds.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 18, 2010, 18:30:26
Can you please sum up on how did he get them to be so long? The link describes initiation technique and his ideas on structuring his OBE-worlds.
Practice practice practice.  :)
20 years of practice, to be exact.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Velvet V. on April 18, 2010, 18:54:08
"Practice" usually means that the answer to a question is unknown. There are others who practiced for 20 years and couldn't achieve the same length of their OBEs. Is there any way to contact this interesting man?


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 18, 2010, 22:33:45
"Practice" usually means that the answer to a question is unknown. There are others who practiced for 20 years and couldn't achieve the same length of their OBEs. Is there any way to contact this interesting man?
Nope, practice in this sense is 100% literal.
If you're looking for a shortcut to projection... you will never find it.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Velvet V. on April 19, 2010, 02:55:02
I'm not looking for info on how to project, but on something to make "lucidity" in that state last much longer than it does.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 19, 2010, 03:37:57
I'm not looking for info on how to project, but on something to make "lucidity" in that state last much longer than it does.
Master your own mind.
The more you can control your own thoughts and emotions, the longer you'll last.

~Ryan :)


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Velvet V. on April 19, 2010, 11:31:48
How long can you last?


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 19, 2010, 14:15:24
How long can you last?
No conscious exits for me yet.  :)
But my Lucid Dreams turned Projections generally last as long as a Lucid Dream does... so not very long.  LoL

~Ryan :)


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: G01kur_Kisel on April 19, 2010, 16:33:54
OK, so I've read franks manual and it is mind-blowing and most of it actually resonates with me. I get this little yes truth feeling, yes this is how it is. And I'm absolutely in love with the fact in how everything correlates so perfectly and beautifully to the moment I perceive to be in right now where all other materials and books Ive read, with bits and pieces comes together to form your own reality and perception of your own truth. Needless to say the more I get into this stuff the more mind-blowned I get and the more "smaller" I feel, less knowing, lied too, It feels like I'm back in school again and learning about the truth, if there even is such a thing? which is great at the same time it sucks and feels like nothing else matters as the same time I know it does etc etc.

However, that was just random expressions of mine, now back to regarding franks pdf. This is what I haven't figured out yet.
If focus 1 is the primary focus of all living beings universe? then what are those other dimensions? 4Th 5Th etc. Do these other dimensions have their focus 1 as well? or does focus 1 include all of the dimensions? from 3rd to 7Th or have many their are? do they are reside on focus one? If not, what are the other dimensions in that case?


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Velvet V. on April 19, 2010, 16:46:07
No conscious exits for me yet.  :)
But my Lucid Dreams turned Projections generally last as long as a Lucid Dream does... so not very long.  LoL
I see! Well then I'll search for people who can give advice. Good luck with your projecting.

If focus 1 is the primary focus of all living beings universe? then what are those other dimensions?
You're aware that it's all unreal, right? You could make your own classification. It's not like these dimensions objectively exist.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 19, 2010, 16:57:03
OK, so I've read franks manual and it is mind-blowing and most of it actually resonates with me. I get this little yes truth feeling, yes this is how it is. And I'm absolutely in love with the fact in how everything correlates so perfectly and beautifully to the moment I perceive to be in right now where all other materials and books Ive read, with bits and pieces comes together to form your own reality and perception of your own truth. Needless to say the more I get into this stuff the more mind-blowned I get and the more "smaller" I feel, less knowing, lied too, It feels like I'm back in school again and learning about the truth, if there even is such a thing? which is great at the same time it sucks and feels like nothing else matters as the same time I know it does etc etc.
That's pretty much how I feel about all this too.  LOL

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However, that was just random expressions of mine, now back to regarding franks pdf. This is what I haven't figured out yet.
If focus 1 is the primary focus of all living beings universe? then what are those other dimensions? 4Th 5Th etc. Do these other dimensions have their focus 1 as well? or does focus 1 include all of the dimensions? from 3rd to 7Th or have many their are? do they are reside on focus one? If not, what are the other dimensions in that case?
Frank actually didn't go too much in detail regarding "Densities".  I don't think he liked the terminology.
So I couldn't quite figure out if he related them in any way to his Phasing Model.

~Ryan :)


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: G01kur_Kisel on April 19, 2010, 17:07:12
"You're aware that it's all unreal, right? You could make your own classification. It's not like these dimensions objectively exist."

yeah of course, but from what it appears, there are other dimensions, but it doesn't prove anything I guess, until they decide to step down and say hello, if ever, and even that might not prove anything cause they might just be like us but have more advanced technology.

But if we could get people who has been to these other densities and met with people there and so forth. I haven't so I can't help that much :P
I know kurtykurt42 has been way off meeting with greys and aliens? what does he think of franks model? If am to fit franks model with the current "model" of astral pulse I'd say if you go to another dimension/ density you are at focus 3/ something else? or focus 1 / other dimension? a.k.a their reality?

I need to calm down.



Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 19, 2010, 17:11:06
I see! Well then I'll search for people who can give advice. Good luck with your projecting.
You're aware that it's all unreal, right? You could make your own classification.
It's a subjective numbering system... he could have called it Apples and Oranges.  :)
It's easier to work with a model that we can all agree on.  I happen to agree with this particular model.
It's also highly based around Robert Monroes model.

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It's not like these dimensions objectively exist.
They exist subjectively.  Regardless of labels.
Frank and Monroe separated these "focus levels" by how they feel and how "conscious" you are when you're there.

~Ryan :)


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Velvet V. on April 19, 2010, 18:00:26
They don't even exist subjectively, unless you want them to. What if you see no sense in grouping various dreams by common elements?

I fail to see how categories can help anybody AP  :lol: Or prevent anybody from APing, for that matter. They exist for entertainment or dream categorizing.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 19, 2010, 18:06:14
They don't even exist subjectively, unless you want them to.
All of the non-physical is subjective.

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What if you see no sense in grouping various dreams by common elements?
That's the best part... you don't have to if you don't want to.  :)

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I fail to see how categories can help anybody AP  :lol: Or prevent anybody from APing, for that matter. They exist for entertainment or dream categorizing.
It assists my Phasing because it gives me a model through which I can use to understand, in objective terms, what I'm experiencing.

~Ryan :)


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Velvet V. on April 19, 2010, 18:12:02
It assists my Phasing because it gives me a model through which I can use to understand, in objective terms, what I'm experiencing.
Don't you understand what you're experiencing without a model?   :|


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 19, 2010, 18:36:02
Don't you understand what you're experiencing without a model?   :|
You actually use models in *EVERYTHING* you do in your life.
It's how we understand the world around us.
Call it a model... call it a construct...
In Object Oriented Programming we call it an "Object".  :)

It's how we collect and sort out the vast quantity of data we receive during our lives.

So yes... to understand what I'm experiencing, I require a model to fit the pieces of the puzzle into.
Franks Phasing Model works best for me.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Stookie on April 19, 2010, 19:44:17
There is a big difference in the state of consciousness between Franks F1 and F4. Granted, these are just labels he used, but they are DEFINITELY states that have much different qualities about them, most recognizable being time and space. And that's why people feel the need to create labels - not as descriptions, but as a way to physically communicate something that is non-physical.

Xanth - thanks a lot for taking the time to do this for us! It's much appreciated.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Velvet V. on April 20, 2010, 17:08:05
The problem that I see is that unless you read about F4, you'd probably never come up with it yourself. We don't know if such a state is common for everybody, it could be something personal instead. Others could have other personal states instead. It could be a one-time type of dream created by circumstances of the day and various thoughts that created that "state". If you're impressed and categorize it as something special, there's a big chance you'll dream of it again, maybe dozens of times. Maybe you'll like it so much you'll keep dreaming of it forever. And then anybody who reads its description can dream of it in a similar way. But we can't know if he'd dream of it unless he read about it.

That's the danger I see, if that can be called "danger". We have an ability to tell states that are common for all people from personally influenced states.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Stookie on April 20, 2010, 17:32:06
You don't have to read about an F4 experience to have one. I did well before I knew anything about Frank and his focus levels, or this forum or anything on the internet. It's a common experience that's been experienced by others for thousands of years.

It's not something you can dream up. It's a state of consciousness. A state of being.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Velvet V. on April 20, 2010, 17:34:06
I read the description of it and it sounds like a dream. Dreams don't have to be simple dreams about objects. I too experienced some dreams that wouldn't fit into the category of simple dreams, just not what Frank describes.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Stookie on April 20, 2010, 17:40:09
I don't know what your getting at. You don't believe an archetypal state of consciousness void of time and space exists?


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 20, 2010, 17:57:53
I don't know what your getting at. You don't believe an archetypal state of consciousness void of time and space exists?
I guess for some people it's a "I'll believe it when I see it" moment?  LoL


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Velvet V. on April 20, 2010, 18:02:19
I'm not entirely convinced. There are many states, which we can experience in dreams, or under drugs, or in meditation. To single out one of them because it feels special and say that it's universal isn't convincing.

Xanth, I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I say that it may be a mistake to think that everybody in the world can experience it, that it exists in common and objectively, rather than as a personal matter, like many other states.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 20, 2010, 18:06:45
I'm not entirely convinced. There are many states, which we can experience in dreams, or under drugs, or in meditation. To single out one of them because it feels special and say that it's universal isn't convincing.

Xanth, I'm not saying it doesn't exist. I say that it may be a mistake to think that everybody in the world can experience it, that it exists in common and objectively, rather than as a personal matter, like many other states.
I agree completely.
It's why I'm trying to get there myself to confirm.
You also should do the same...

The only reason is for self verification.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: vipassana on April 21, 2010, 02:29:23
OK, so I've read franks manual and it is mind-blowing and most of it actually resonates with me. I get this little yes truth feeling, yes this is how it is. And I'm absolutely in love with the fact in how everything correlates so perfectly and beautifully to the moment I perceive to be in right now where all other materials and books Ive read, with bits and pieces comes together to form your own reality and perception of your own truth. Needless to say the more I get into this stuff the more mind-blowned I get and the more "smaller" I feel, less knowing, lied too, It feels like I'm back in school again and learning about the truth, if there even is such a thing? which is great at the same time it sucks and feels like nothing else matters as the same time I know it does etc etc.

Welcome to the party. 


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: vipassana on April 21, 2010, 02:34:56
They don't even exist subjectively, unless you want them to. What if you see no sense in grouping various dreams by common elements?

I fail to see how categories can help anybody AP  :lol: Or prevent anybody from APing, for that matter. They exist for entertainment or dream categorizing.

I think it all comes down to we are simply trying to find common elements from which to share experiences. Dream categorizing is a good way of looking at it.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: CFTraveler on April 21, 2010, 04:16:12
And to talk to each other and understand what we're saying.
Which is the same thing you said.
Which means something.
 :wink:


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: NEW_Anna on April 21, 2010, 22:00:17
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Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Bacterio on April 21, 2010, 23:30:16
Thanks for the Pdf. It's a way to preserve Frank's legacy.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: EscapeVelocity on April 22, 2010, 03:22:28
Great work Xanth! Thanks for that.
EV


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: indian on April 22, 2010, 16:47:13
Following any model (Monroe's, Frank) will be just like making a belief system. Like you followed religion with the concept of father, son and holy ghost.

I see that everybody wants to understand it before going into it. It is like you want to learn swimming without going into pool.

I am seeing things very differently than Frank said. If I start writing, I know there will be another model. That is why I avoid writing anything about kind of experience I get, because I experience something very different than said in books.

So, go, experience and then make any conclusion. There is no use for all these knowledge, because you can not follow these steps when you are there.

Frank himself didn't follow Monroe and tried to experience things of his own. If he would have started following f1,f2,f3,f4,f5 then he wouldn't have known what he experienced.

Regards


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 22, 2010, 16:54:58
Well, the reason we study it before hand is so we have a general idea of what to expect and so we can correlate our experiences with others.

As for Frank...
He actually followed Monroe in his very footsteps.  Everything from his practices to his astral footsteps.  He walked the same paths Monroe did.  Only after walking the path, he improved upon and simplified it for us. 

~Ryan :)


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Stookie on April 22, 2010, 17:02:03
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Following any model (Monroe's, Frank) will be just like making a belief system. Like you followed religion with the concept of father, son and holy ghost.

I see that everybody wants to understand it before going into it. It is like you want to learn swimming without going into pool.

I agree with that - it's like a model is needed for communication, but can also cause incorrect concepts and expectations leading to disappointment, which will make things even harder. To really get somewhere, you have to unlearn what you have learned. At the same time, you have to learn to make strides.

Experience is really the only teacher

because I experience something very different than said in books.

Very true for myself as well - I don't think any of my experiences were ever as expected or compared to anything I've read. And I don't post very many of them because I don't want to cause confusion or unreal expectations.

However, being able to communicate the general state of consciousness you were in to someone else in physical dialog is necessary. I have to admit that the spectrum of consciousness, no matter what model, is pretty much the same. Physical interpretation of that spectrum can be the problem.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Velvet V. on April 22, 2010, 17:05:46
Indian, I agree with you completely. Although people who wrote earlier are right that they need some common language to describe their experiences to each other, too. But that's fitting only in case when these experiences really match, and it's fitting "after" you've had them and not "before".

Xanth, a general idea what to expect leads to imitation of experiences. :-( It's like unconscious dream programming. But that's ok if that's what you want.

Regardless of what I think about Frank's analysis of his experiences, he is admirable for putting so much effort into learning to project the way he describes. Such determination is rare.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 22, 2010, 17:14:01
Xanth, a general idea what to expect leads to imitation of experiences. :-( It's like unconscious dream programming. But that's ok if that's what you want.
I agree completely!  Which is why when you practice you shouldn't have any expectations.  :)
You can still read about what to expect without those expectations becoming a liability.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: vipassana on April 23, 2010, 03:06:57
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It is like you want to learn swimming without going into pool.
There is truth to that statement. But my personal experience has been, using your analogy, I wanted to learn to swim without ever going into the pool, but then I realized, "Hey, what is swimming anyway?" I wanted to do this thing called out of body experiences, but I didn't know exactly what that was. You can read all of the books you want about swimming techniques, but you first have to learn to jump into the pool and not drown. So in my experience, I've read all about the form and techniques the Olympic swimmers use, but so far I'm just learning to tread water. I've jumped into the pool and all that reading didn't prepare me for how to actually keep from drowning. We're just basically talking about our experiences of how we are learning to swim, and in the process, developing a common language of how we are doing it. Someone needs to tell me to keep form drowning, you need to tread water. OK, great. What does that mean? This is were everyone on the forum chimes in to explain how they tread water. 


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: personalreality on April 23, 2010, 04:13:56
unless you have spontaneous OBEs (which i never have) you'd have no idea what AP was unless you had read about all these other methods and techniques.  Not many people write AP books just to say, "hey, look at what i did!", they write them to teach you what they've learned.  That's how they communicate their experience and that's how you get to be exposed to something like AP and in turn be motivated to try it. 

If you're ignorant to the subject you have to get your start somehow.  And I agree, the method an author writes about is unique to them and it will not work for anyone else if done in the exact same way.  But it gives you something to try and build on.  You tweak it to accommodate your needs and you create something that works for you.  Methods can hold people back when they cling to them and try to hard (i was guilty of that).  But if you haven't figured out yet that some things need to be explored and personalized then it's gonna take you a long time to project.  Methods and techniques are essential in that regard.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: indian on April 23, 2010, 11:28:54
Well, the reason we study it before hand is so we have a general idea of what to expect and so we can correlate our experiences with others.

As for Frank...
He actually followed Monroe in his very footsteps.  Everything from his practices to his astral footsteps.  He walked the same paths Monroe did.  Only after walking the path, he improved upon and simplified it for us. 

~Ryan :)

I expected this reply from your side. You are never agreed with anyone no matter if he/she says it from his own experience. I normally avoid replying in a thread where you participate, so much negative energy I must say. ;)

You have started praising about Frank lately and it is always easy to Praise/Worship someone who is  dead or not around. Live people hurt your ego while dead can't. That is why people have been worshiping dead.

I bet if Frank would have been alive (in this forum), you would have argued him with same manner. You hardly listen anyone.

Frank didn't follow Monroe, he practiced and then found that most of the things Monroe said was wrong. He didn't say it bluntly because he was a cultured man.

I am against every religious belief or any other spiritual belief system. These belief systems has made our life so complicated and unnatural.

You said you are following Frank, but I see that you are quoting all the focus stages and everything frank said without even experiencing it. How can you be so sure that whatever you are saying is true? It looks like Frank has made you his assistance?

I can see you red and boiling with anger ;)

Regards




Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 23, 2010, 14:34:17
This debate doesn't need to go on here, as this thread is for something entirely different.
I have PM'd you my response.  :)


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Chubysnow on April 23, 2010, 15:52:58
Well, good job Xanth. The PDF seems nice. Your forum karma shot up aswell.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: podizzle on May 03, 2010, 00:55:08
thanks so much for this. If it weren't for Frank, I would never be able to face the demons that exist in focus level 2. I would think they are reality and not projections of my imagination. Also if it weren't for Frank I would surely melt with fear at the feet of a real negative entity in the true astral. Frank's teaching show that there is nothing to fear. It's most encouraging and I intend to read all 1000 pages.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on May 19, 2010, 17:15:29
/shameless bump


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: pondini on May 24, 2010, 21:18:58
first, i'd like to say thanks to xanth for creating this PDF! the effort and dedication required speaks to your character:)

i performed a very lazy search to determine where i should post the below observation, and decided here is as good a place as any, but i can move it if someone suggests it.

i just started reading the PDF and was struck by one of frank's techniques because it resembled an observation i discovered a few weeks ago. here's the relevant section of his post:

"As far as relaxation goes, you just need to be lying on your back fairly comfortably. That's all. Don't "concentrate" on being relaxed. If you do that, you will never be able to do the most important step. Also, put aside all thoughts of "projection techniques" for now. Because concentration on some technique, or other, will again interfere with the most important part, which is: You need to shift your focal point of awareness (or consciousness) upwards. If you concentrate, for a short while, you should realise that your focal point of consciousness is situated immediately behind your physical eyes. And that is probably where it has been all your adult life, during times when you are awake. There lies the difficulty!!! It is SO used to being there, during awake time, it becomes habitually entrenched. Imagine looking at yourself in a mirror and you had drawn a 1cm diameter circle in red felt-tip pen, in the centre of your forehead about 2.5cm up from where your nose joins to your forehead. That's about where you need to be, focal-point of consciousness-wise. You will probably find that the moment you begin doing it, i.e. letting your focal point rise to the correct place, your eyes will "grab it back". You have to teach the eyes to let go and allow the focal point of consciousness to rise up as I describe. As it rises, you may begin to see little shadows, or glimpses of any sort-of this or that. I call it stray energy. Sometimes I might see a little figure coming out of a hazy mist. Just this morning, for instance, I could have sworn I could see the head of a wolf right in front of me! But you need to teach your eyes not to react to it. The way you do that is to keep practising. At first, as your conciousness rises and you see a tiny glimpse of some image or other, the eyes will suddenly try to look. It's like the eyes say, "What was that??? What did I just see!!!" The moment they try to look at whatever it was, your focal point of consciousness will immediately drop back behind your physical eyes. So you'll have to start again. But after a short while, you will pass through the stray-energy stage and begin feeling vibrations. Once you feel those vibrations that's it, you've done it."


when i'm beginning to be 'dialed in' to a potential wake-induced vibrational state i usually see random pictures of very diverse subject matter in my mind. these have become my cue that i'm on my way. however, my automatic reflexes (things like my consciousness snapping back into play, or my stomach 'dropping' a tiny bit when each new image arrives) have kept me from reaching productive levels, i'm sure. it was only a few weeks ago that i discovered for myself that in addition to the reflexes i would also immediately try to examine all the details of these images, thereby breaking the flow of the process. so i began to just adopt a posture of mental relaxation that would allow myself to not be jarred by each new image; sure enough, the vibrations started soon after. as my eyes were the ones doing the 'examining' i believe this is just my way of saying what frank said above (in bold).

this is not a groundbreaking observation, but i thought it might further validate franks point and help struggling beginners, like myself:)


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Chubysnow on May 27, 2010, 00:42:11
This is a great method for astral projection indeed! Thank you Xanth and Bless you Frank where you may be.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: podizzle on May 27, 2010, 14:49:39
Following any model (Monroe's, Frank) will be just like making a belief system. Like you followed religion with the concept of father, son and holy ghost.

I see that everybody wants to understand it before going into it. It is like you want to learn swimming without going into pool.

I am seeing things very differently than Frank said. If I start writing, I know there will be another model. That is why I avoid writing anything about kind of experience I get, because I experience something very different than said in books.

So, go, experience and then make any conclusion. There is no use for all these knowledge, because you can not follow these steps when you are there.

Frank himself didn't follow Monroe and tried to experience things of his own. If he would have started following f1,f2,f3,f4,f5 then he wouldn't have known what he experienced.

Regards


there is no use for this knowledge? frank's f2 level of consciousness where thought=action and separate from f3 (being the astral 'proper') seems like the most important piece of knowledge ever considering how easily someone would be fooled into thinking f2 is f3.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on May 27, 2010, 16:56:59
there is no use for this knowledge? frank's f2 level of consciousness where thought=action and separate from f3 (being the astral 'proper') seems like the most important piece of knowledge ever considering how easily someone would be fooled into thinking f2 is f3.
Very well put.  :)

~Ryan


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: personalreality on June 13, 2010, 03:55:02
ryan did you make this sticky?


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on June 13, 2010, 16:54:48
I certainly did.   8-)

~Ryan


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: personalreality on June 14, 2010, 04:24:18
You're already corrupt!



Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: solarity on June 14, 2010, 04:30:50
if you're going to sticky it clean up the original post


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Summerlander on February 15, 2011, 00:21:20
Xanth, as a fellow mod from Astral Viewers I can only say that you are a genious and on the right track. I will be studying all of Kepple's posts because instinct is telling me to do so. The more I think about it, the more I think it really was Frank that I saw in my OOBE. He was building something in that astral pulse island construct. Maybe the prisms he had were tools for him to study spectrums and frequencies. He could even be trying to reach us.

Just speculating though...


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: GuerrillaPsychologist on April 19, 2011, 11:52:46
@ Xanth: excellent job! I wanted to do that myself, as an uninvolved reader of this forum. I cannot thank you enough as I intend at a certain point in the future to write a post about my impressions when I read the Gandalf's selection of  Frank Kepple's posts a few years ago. Thank you!


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Pauli2 on April 29, 2011, 09:46:55
I'm reading through the Frank PDF, and he doesn't relay a lot of experiences of his own, but from time to time Frank makes references to Ginny and her experiences, encouraging AP members to read her posts. I think it would be a good idea to compose a Ginny PDF really, as she has such a vast and diverse amount of experiences to share.

I found this one, where Ginny is experiencing not a mind-split, but well a Disk-split, between a human and a wolf, it's mind staggering to me -> http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/exploring_with_disk_or_ithere_members-t2885.0.html;msg118615#msg118615


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on April 29, 2011, 14:39:26
I've considered doing just that.
She didn't have many posts here, but they were quality.

Actually, there are a few members that would be good to toss together their posts into a single place.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: ayearhasgone on July 26, 2011, 12:22:51
Wow, just read a lot of "Frank's" writing and found his Wider Reality model, and I must say I'm deeply impressed. 

I was a little concerned when it came to the concept of Phasing.  It made more sense to me than the classical exits and astral planes and whatnot, but it also incorporated lucid dreams into its model, and I was worried that it was just a lot of people having very lucid dreams and thinking they were projecting.  By explaining that dreams and actual astral awareness are different levels of focus, a lot of my anxiety is gone and I feel more comfortable with pursuing the phasing approach.

Frank's notion of the afterlife, for lack of a better term, really resonates with me.  I've wondered my whole life why people have NDE's and see different environments and entities.  I could only assume that one takes their beliefs with them and that was that.  But the notion of hollow heavens and hollow hells that the religious create for themselves really makes sense to me.  And when you become more open-minded about the whole affair, you are free to leave your hollow heaven and go to a "higher" area.

Frank's discussion of past lives, and the fact that they aren't really sequential but happening all at once, also seems to make sense.  And I'm fascinated that one of his "guides" is really a "future" version of him from another physical planet.

All that said, I must disagree with the man on his concept of God, or rather the lack thereof.  Perhaps my mind will change after I break into the astral, but for now, I believe there is a wizard behind the curtain so to speak.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Pauli2 on July 27, 2011, 00:19:57
Frank's discussion of past lives, and the fact that they aren't really sequential but happening all at once, also seems to make sense.


In one of Frank's Newsletters he got the question why children can remember past lives,
but very seldom (never) remembers future lives. Frank was short on answer. Links to
his 4 Newsletters can be found in this thread (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/frank_kepple_astral_projection_truth_newsletter-t32536.0.html;msg267578#msg267578). I think the question about reincarnation
was in the third letter. Could you please tell me how it "seems to make sense"?


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on July 27, 2011, 06:06:29
Uh oh!  Frank didn't have all the answers!  LOL

It made sense in that it was/is a possibility for what happens.  Just as your guess is as good as mine.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: ayearhasgone on July 27, 2011, 14:09:12
In one of Frank's Newsletters he got the question why children can remember past lives,
but very seldom (never) remembers future lives. Frank was short on answer.
I've chatted with a number of people who visit future lives while projecting. 

You realize the concept of remembering a future event is ridiculous, right?  This world is bound by the illusion of time.  Unless a child is born with some sort of crazy precognition, remembering a future life isn't going to happen.

Quote
Could you please tell me how it "seems to make sense"?
Because time doesn't in the astral.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: cstar on August 04, 2011, 20:57:27
So I'm wondering if you did AP before you heard of any of these "levels"

 b/c if not, you should have also run into the belief system when you AP'd afterwards correct?

and then after hearing about the "levels" your saying that you are unable to AP without running into this belief system.



Following any model (Monroe's, Frank) will be just like making a belief system. Like you followed religion with the concept of father, son and holy ghost.

I see that everybody wants to understand it before going into it. It is like you want to learn swimming without going into pool.

I am seeing things very differently than Frank said. If I start writing, I know there will be another model. That is why I avoid writing anything about kind of experience I get, because I experience something very different than said in books.

So, go, experience and then make any conclusion. There is no use for all these knowledge, because you can not follow these steps when you are there.

Frank himself didn't follow Monroe and tried to experience things of his own. If he would have started following f1,f2,f3,f4,f5 then he wouldn't have known what he experienced.

Regards

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Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: ayearhasgone on August 11, 2011, 20:10:15
Wait a minute, why are we arguing... people who disagree with Frank, why not go into the astral and check for yourselves?  You have projected, right?  Right?


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: blossom123 on September 07, 2011, 00:36:12
I havent' been here in so long....  But I recently purchased Hemisync Gateway Experience cd's....  And I remember Frank so I am excited to find this.  This is why I came back to find these posts.

Sincerely, Blossom


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: blossom123 on September 07, 2011, 00:47:51
http://www.astralprojection.tv/OBE/87/frank-kepples-phasing-model/#comment-487

link to frank


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: AJDIN on September 07, 2011, 07:47:40
Thanks Ryan for compiling this together!


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Bluefirephoenix on November 26, 2012, 13:19:27
I will drink a toast to this sticky today. I had a success last night a small step in the right direction.  This man was brilliant who knows maybe he's helping us from wherever he is now. I had a false awakening. I was having trouble breathing and reached to my nightstand for the inhaler .... and realized that my hand went through it instead of picking it up. I thought I had it and used it and realized that it was not the case and that I was in astral. .... startled myself so much at the realization I zapped into my body again. Still it was the first day I worked with his material from these posting ( not the phasing I used that before this) and it worked. I still have a long ways to go but at least a little light was seen at the end of the tunnel.


Title: Frank Kepple's Wider Reality Model -DIAGRAM-
Post by: dreamingod on October 25, 2013, 12:34:22
Hi all,

I favour pictures and diagrams/mind maps as this helps me better conceptualise ideas and inter-relationships.

I have put together a diagram of Frank Kepple's Wider Reality Model.
I welcome any suggestions to further improve it.

(http://i.imgur.com/ZMcTyz2.jpg)



Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Lionheart on October 25, 2013, 21:23:03
 The "Pictorial King" strikes again, lol!  :-D

 Excellent job!  8-)


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: CFTraveler on October 26, 2013, 00:04:05
I think Buhlman would picture the opposite- the more removed from the physical the more 'inner' it gets.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Re on October 26, 2013, 02:22:09
Thank you dreamingod! I have always had a bit of trouble fully visualizing this model.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on October 26, 2013, 05:33:15
I dunno, I really get the sense that things aren't quite as "linear" as that.


Title: updated - Frank Kepple's Wider Reality Model
Post by: dreamingod on October 26, 2013, 14:47:32
I dunno, I really get the sense that things aren't quite as "linear" as that.

I think Frank's Focus labelling using numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, is a matter of simplicity rather than using
Monroe's arbitrary Focus numbers.
Frank explains:
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Right, so consciousness is apportioned into 4 areas. Someone asked me recently if there was anything beyond Focus 4, i.e. a Focus 5 or such like. The answer is, to my knowledge, within our particular system there are just 4 Primary areas. But consciousness doesn't end there. Consciousness is infinite. There may well be an infinite number of other systems either like ours or perhaps wildly different. But let's just concentrate on the structure of our particular system and get people projecting properly with that first.

Our system can be divided into Focus 1, Focus 2, Focus 3, and Focus 4. Together they form the totality of our Consciousness Continuum, or all that is (at least in our system). Each of us has our very own Consciousness Continuum that exists across these four areas.


I think Buhlman would picture the opposite- the more removed from the physical the more 'inner' it gets.

I agree. I have updated it.


(http://i.imgur.com/MHadiTr.jpg)


Here is the HD pdf file: Frank Kepple's Wider Reality Model (http://www11.zippyshare.com/v/67114657/file.html)


~


Title: Re: updated - Frank Kepple's Wider Reality Model
Post by: Xanth on October 26, 2013, 19:00:16
I think Frank's Focus labelling using numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, is a matter of simplicity rather than using
Monroe's arbitrary Focus numbers.
Well, honestly, Franks are just as arbitrary.  :)

I still don't know about any linearity to the larger reality.
Everything I've experienced has seemingly been very unlinear... EXCEPT for my own awareness/consciousness.
That's the only linear thing I've encountered.  An easily identifiable continuum of non-awareness to full awareness.


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: CFTraveler on October 27, 2013, 20:03:36
Quote
Everything I've experienced has seemingly been very unlinear...
I'm not sure I know what you mean by that, Xanth- Do you mean you can go from Focus 1 to 3 or from 2 to 4 or something like that?  I'm not comprehending what you mean by this, especially with the linearity of consciousness- isn't the whole thing the same, the experience being the same as the consciousness of the experiencer that changes focus?
 :?   


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Xanth on October 27, 2013, 21:37:36
I'm not sure I know what you mean by that, Xanth- Do you mean you can go from Focus 1 to 3 or from 2 to 4 or something like that?  I'm not comprehending what you mean by this, especially with the linearity of consciousness- isn't the whole thing the same, the experience being the same as the consciousness of the experiencer that changes focus?
 :?   
I guess what I'm saying is that I don't have any further need for the Focus models... Monroe or Frank's. 
They haven't fit my experiences for a short while now.

Perhaps my consciousness continuum awareness linear system (as it is also a metaphor) is a metaphor of similar type to the Focus Models?  I never really thought of it until now really.
I'll need to think about this for a bit... lol  You've pointed out something, CFT, which I think is of paramount for me to look into much closer.  :)


Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: Lionheart on October 27, 2013, 22:14:31
I guess what I'm saying is that I don't have any further need for the Focus models... Monroe or Frank's. 
They haven't fit my experiences for a short while now.
I read them. I understand what they are all saying. But I find, I'm not a "nuts and bolts" person, I'm more of a "hands on" guy.

 I don't care about whys or hows, I just "do it"!  :wink:

 Possibly this will change. But you will find that after many successful Journeys you seem to come to an idea on what is really going on. That is according to the way you are perceiving things there for yourself!  :-)



Title: Re: Frank's Posts PDF!
Post by: superman on April 18, 2016, 22:06:17
Im actually reading this PDF.

I think this is the best "book" ever about astral projections.

So much gratitude for Frank and you Ryan! Thank you!  :-D