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Title: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: grzazek on October 23, 2010, 07:42:33
     Most people on this forum would instantly respond to that subject heading with something along the lines of "but you miss the point, that's not what enlightenment is about at all". In part, I would agree with you as spiritual development is seen as the individuals' process. But when you boil everything right down, we all come from the same place. There is one answer.

     From a young age I have always wondered about the origins of the universe. I have never been overly spiritual or religious. Certain things such as, the way some baby animals know how to live and survive the way that species does even without ever being raised by a more mature animal of that species, have always intrigued me. Almost as if everything is pre-programmed. The information is there for us to tap into. For reasons like this I have always felt that we should simply 'remember' our origins.

    The idea that everything comes from nothing is rather mind bending. Again and again, new revelations come from the scientific community that confirm the basic idea that there is a place where everything fits together, where every state exists simultaneously outside of our 4d space time, and in folded 0, or nothing, and that is where our universe or any other comes from. IN this timelessness, past, present and future have no meaning. This is the perfectly balanced symmetry state that physicists talk about as being where our universe comes from. Our universe came about as a result of the breaking of that symmetry. This explains why our universe is composed mainly of matter rather the anti-matter, the fact that our universe is so far out of balance in this way is one of the major unexplained mysteries of modern science.

     So what does symmetry mean exactly? It means that things are balanced, that every possibilty has an opposite possibilty, every positive has negative. When you take all of these positives and negatives contained within perfect symmetry and add them together, we get 0. 0 then is not empty, it's full, full of every other possibilty. Perfectly balanced and assembled in the underlying symmetry that our universe or any other comes from. 0 is where it all starts, and where it all ends. Thus, another name for that 0, is the omniverse.

     When things become out of balance, most of the time, the results are inconsequential, and balance is soon restored. But this constantly bubbling chaos will occasionally have large deviations, and push itself away from the perfect blance of 0. In one of these deviations then we are watching the entire life of a universe as one simultaneous shape.

     If we think about this in terms of our own universe, in one direction its our highly ordered big bang, and the other direction its the end of our universe. Right at the very moment you are reading this, we are some place within the shape of that deviation. So when you consider what was before the Big Bang and after the end of our universe, in the timelessness of folded 0 we see that both are the same thing, back within the perfectly balanced symmetry of the omniverse.

     What would cause these larger, more complex deviations to occur? Ordered cauasality, creating steps that allow us to move furthur and furthur away from that balancing point. Within our own universe, this happens because our universe is constrained by a set of locked in physical laws.

     No matter where we start to observe, it will appear to be random information, and we won't be able to see that far, but as we move around and observe, we will be able to see furthur, and patterns start to omerge. For something as complex as our own universe, we are talking about an exceedingly unlikey set of allignments to take place, but in the timelessness of folded 0 the word 'unlikely' ceases to have much meaning. If it is at all possible that a pattern could or would ever occurr, then it already exists in the timeless background of the omniverse.

    The arrow of time that we are experiencing now is the result of a return to symmetry, the physical laws which constrain our universe appear to not have changed within the lifetime of our universe.

     I have witnessed this breaking of symmetry firsthand, as hallucinations in a hypnogogic state. The hallucinations appeared as two doves, beak to beak. The dove on the right hand side started to flap (representing life), then the left hand side had to start flapping in opposite to balance this out.

     Back to the subject heading now; there would be many of you who are more 'spiritually developed' than I, but throughout my own spiritual journey, I cannot deny the things I have learnt. I feel almost as if it is my purpose to let everyone know, I have had a clicking in my head every day since these hallucinations to remind me of what I have learnt.

     In regards to religion and 'God'? In a metaphorical sense, they are all correct. The parallels between most major religions is astounding, but not surprising, as they are based more on astrology than anything else.

Born Dec 25th
Born of a Virgin
Star in the East
Adored by 3 kings
Teacher at 12
Baptized at 30
12 disciples
Performed mircales
Crucified
Dead for 3 days
Resurrected

For anyone wanting to know more on this i recommend the following 3 parts to the movie Zeitgeist;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDWYEbsnWMg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISkle1d45B0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGMsxl7FEDg

I beleive practices such as religion were not only used to control and teach, but were also predictions of the spiritual pattern that arose (along with mathematical, scientific etc.) from the Big Bang. They knew someone like me would come along, and put themselves through what I had to, to learn the things I did.

     I'm sorry if my writings seem random or are hard to understand, I have never try to put this into words before. There is a lot I haven't touched on and have left out but feel free to ask questions, I will do my best to answer.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: personalreality on October 23, 2010, 15:08:17
I didn't read all of that, but it's hilarious that you chose that title.

When I was in high school (and consuming a large quantity of entheogenic substances) me and a couple friends made t shirts that said "I am more enlightened than you" and wore them at school.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Xanth on October 23, 2010, 15:52:36
I didn't read much of the post, but yes, the title struck me as funny too.

As I said it, "enlightenment" as most people tend to refer to it does not exist.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: E on October 23, 2010, 23:55:02
Funny, guys.

About 1/3 the way through I was tempted to throw the bath water out but there is a bit of a baby in there too.  So I read it all.  It's imressive that he/she was able to take all of these random revelations and thoughts and put it into words.  Some writing skill there.  Not ready to write a book or save the world yet, though.

Grza, have you noticed that someone who knows the one and only answer doesn't say much about it?  As someone coined, " It can only be caught, not taught".  I really liked your "hallucination" of the two doves.  And your interpretation of the meaning.  You could have shared that and said nothing else and I would go away with a smile.

Movies can have some deep threads, but I'm not going to watch any movie to validate any philosophical or religious claims.  Also, I appreciate all that Science has discovered but also that, as of yet at least, Science is still searching and changing and prolly will for a looong time.

Your comment that "[color=red"They[/color]knew that someone like me...."  Red flag!

Your title is inappropriate, irrlevant and insulting.  Tweak my curiosity again in about 20 years.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: grzazek on October 26, 2010, 02:49:14
Grza, have you noticed that someone who knows the one and only answer doesn't say much about it?  As someone coined, " It can only be caught, not taught".  I really liked your "hallucination" of the two doves.  And your interpretation of the meaning.  You could have shared that and said nothing else and I would go away with a smile.
   I have noticed that, but I feel almost to share what I know. I wish at the time of my revelations I had bothered to put thoughts down on pen and paper. Now I am relying on my memory which is never going to be 100% accurate.
    Everyday though since things clicked for me, I have had the clicking noise in both my ears which corresponds to certain muscular movements on my scalp. Everyday, without fail, these clicks enter my thoughts and remind me of my purpose.

Your comment that ""They knew that someone like me...."  Red flag!

I have felt connected with higher entities, who what where, I don't know. If there is one 'God', he is a dribbling retarded child who allowed all this to happen by mistake.
I also had 'hallucinations' of a blue coloured light baby crawling into my head, against the black canvas of my closed eyes.

Your title is inappropriate, irrlevant and insulting.  Tweak my curiosity again in about 20 years.[/color]

It's meant to be insulting. It is supposed to reflect the state of current affairs, global humanitarianism (or lack thereof), the way people are trapped by conventional society etc.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: E on October 30, 2010, 14:49:48
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I have noticed that, but I feel almost to share what I know.
 
Sharing is fine but what you 'know' so far is incomplete.  Remember the maxim, "We don't know what we don't know".  There is a difference between sharing from the heart and taking your own experiences and concluding that they are the final word that everyone must be subjected to.

I think that your clicking and hallucinations have a lot more to do with you than they do with me.

It reminds me of something I read once about a man who had a dream and he thought this dream was extremely important to him and everyone.  He was very sleepy but forced himself to sit up and scribble it down.  In the morning he read his scribble and it said, "Mary had a little lamb.  Its fleece was white as snow...".
Be humble.
Regards,
E



Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: MtnLioness on November 06, 2010, 11:21:51
I'm brand-new to this site and, at 3 AM, I took the time to read the OP's post and really enjoyed it.

I was dismayed at the responses. 

The last one, saying "Be humble" I found...ironic.

Spiritual evolution?  One takes the time to write his/her thoughts down and is basically laughed at, and/or his/her post isn't even read.

Perhaps I've joined the wrong forum.   :-(


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: personalreality on November 06, 2010, 16:56:12
You have indeed joined the wrong forum O Judgmental One!

jk  :-D

But the OP's revelations are somewhat common knowledge in a place like this.  And we all know that common knowledge is just that, common (meaning a shortcut that becomes assumed just because everyone else assumes it to be true).  So I guess we ought to have just said "duh".  But then the OP wraps it all up with some stats on the christ figure (or the godman, or horus, or whomever) and links to zeitgeist, one of the most played out movies ever made.  The OP sounds like a New Age Poster Child, which is fine, but you can't expect us to take it very seriously.

just saying.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Capt. Picard on November 06, 2010, 21:47:55
There are many who can go far deeper into the topics you have brought up. Many on this forum even.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: MtnLioness on November 06, 2010, 22:16:41
Does any of that matter?  Aren't we all on our own individual paths? 

Perhaps I am to assume, as someone new to this forum, that I dare not write how I feel.  What I'm learning, how I feel and think as I'm evolving. After all, more "enlightened" ones may laugh at my childish steps instead of lending a helping hand with love in their hearts.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Xanth on November 06, 2010, 23:14:00
Does any of that matter?  Aren't we all on our own individual paths? 

Perhaps I am to assume, as someone new to this forum, that I dare not write how I feel.  What I'm learning, how I feel and think as I'm evolving. After all, more "enlightened" ones may laugh at my childish steps instead of lending a helping hand with love in their hearts.
As I just recently reminded someone else...

This is a forum for beginners to come to learn how to astral project and to share their experiences.  If anyone here laughs at your questions or if you feel uncomfortable for any reason, then please speak with myself or one of the other moderators.  We try to foster a kind and helpful atmosphere here on the Astral Pulse.  :)


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: MtnLioness on November 07, 2010, 00:26:55
Xanth...thank you!  I was beginning to wonder if there were any friendly faces in this crowd.  <3  :)  Much appreciated.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: personalreality on November 07, 2010, 02:20:03
i'm quite friendly.   :-)  <--see


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Xanth on November 07, 2010, 04:17:49
This is true, that's his friendly face. :)


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: personalreality on November 07, 2010, 15:03:47
I mean, smileys are how you maintain good favor amongst the forum even though you're the most passive aggressive person here.

So, if I throw enough smileys out there everyone should love me too right?

 :lol:  :-)  :-) :-)

"bitches love smileys faces"


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: CFTraveler on November 07, 2010, 15:41:58
No.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Capt. Picard on November 07, 2010, 20:10:14
I on the other hand, am not very friendly  :x


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Volgerle on November 07, 2010, 21:02:46
I am friendly  :-D, but not really enlightened. :|

So back on topic:

What is "enlightened" anyway? Knowing a few theoretical things about metaphysics and combining it with ones own spiritual and/or "paranormal" experiences? And doing this while gradually climbing up a ladder of increased knowing and proficiency? And finally reaching a certain quality of consciousness in life? And teaching others about it?

Or what? So ... What is it?


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Stookie on November 08, 2010, 17:14:11
For myself, (I can't speak for anyone else), but "enlightenment" is simply a realization about something that can't be put into words. It's a personal experience that you can't communicate, yet changes everything you know and perceive about everything. It's not a eureka moment, or even knowledge, it's an experience of being that changes everything, yet changes absolutely nothing. Life goes on as normal and everything still has it's place.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: CFTraveler on November 08, 2010, 22:12:49
For myself, (I can't speak for anyone else), but "enlightenment" is simply a realization about something that can't be put into words. It's a personal experience that you can't communicate, yet changes everything you know and perceive about everything. It's not a eureka moment, or even knowledge, it's an experience of being that changes everything, yet changes absolutely nothing. Life goes on as normal and everything still has it's place.
I like this.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: personalreality on November 09, 2010, 13:39:03
enlightenment is a scam to make people behave morally.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Xanth on November 09, 2010, 14:25:31
enlightenment is a scam to make people behave morally.
I can add "Hell" and "Karma" to that list.  :)


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: CFTraveler on November 09, 2010, 15:54:24
It depends on how you define "morally".


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Naykid on November 09, 2010, 16:20:59
I wish there were more people on this planet that had SOME kind of moral compass... sheesh.  What's wrong with being a good person?  I don't believe in the Hell that most think of, I think the personal hell we create for ourselves is much more scary and when one dies, you'll be confronted by it.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Stookie on November 09, 2010, 16:23:50
enlightenment is a scam to make people behave morally.

I can add "Hell" and "Karma" to that list.  :)

We're talking about enlightenment, not beliefs. Enlightenment itself is just a word. It can be used to describe an experience. To tell someone who has had an experience they describe as enlightenment is BS is being judgmental. I have no idea where hell and karma fit into this.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Naykid on November 09, 2010, 16:27:07
We're talking about enlightenment, not beliefs. Enlightenment itself is just a word. It can be used to describe an experience. To tell someone who has had an experience they describe as enlightenment as BS is being judgmental. I have no idea where hell and karma fit into this.

I think because PR mentioned that enlightenment was a scam to make people behave morally.  I'm not quite sure how that does tie in to being enlightened... I just think it's a overall good idea to have a moral compass.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Stookie on November 09, 2010, 16:55:02
Absolutely. Of course everyone has their own morals that can differ from someone elses, but holding onto good ideals can be a very positive thing and guide you to the right places. Maybe even to enlightenment. :)

One last thing about enlightenment - it should be liberating. From physical materialism and belief systems and attachment to definitions, as it can't be described or defined or put into a box, only experienced.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: WASD on November 09, 2010, 18:15:22
I like your description of Enlightened Stookie. But it makes it very easy for "non enlightened people" to dismiss it as religious crap. But i guess that's just the way it is.
You simply can't prove that something like "enlightenment" is real without experiencing it yourself. But you can't really know because you feel, like people who feel there is a god (may be a bad example for some).
You can't really know anything.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: personalreality on November 09, 2010, 18:53:26
just because some people are spiritually deluded, doesn't mean my point isn't valid.

to clarify, here's my point.

enlightenment, if it's anything, is beyond human comprehension.  it's some abstract term to describe something that "spiritual adepts" have supposedly experienced.  but to even begin to assume that mere humans can possibly comprehend transcendence of perception beyond the bounds of our human experience is just plain silly.  ask a zen master what enlightenment is and they will tell you that you are stupid for even asking.  defining and aspiring to achieve enlightenment is counterproductive.  it's not something you attain, it's something you are and you are it right now.  so, in a sense, discussing that word and talking about it like it's something you can have or be is exactly the same as scaring someone with the threat of eternal suffering unless they are morally just. 

being compassionate to other human beings isn't a question of morality though.  morality is just another way that people are tricked into deeper and deeper duality.  nothing is black and white, everything is gray.  but, if you are genuinely compassionate towards other people then you can help create an integrated society where we all work together towards achieving a human utopia.  you don't need to bring arbitrary morality into it, that's just gonna muck things up.

so if you hold enlightenment as some pinnacle of spiritual achievement or the goal that you aspire to or even consider the word to represent the experience at all, then you are a hopelessly deluded case.


I don't know if this is clear, but i'm basically tell you all that there are no rules, nothing is definite.  there is no answer, there is no question.  there is only your subjective experience and you get to decide what that is and what meaning it has for you.  don't ask other people because their experience is theirs not yours and so it is useless to you.  you will never learn to find the source of your being if you constantly turn to the watered down opinions of other people.  everything is possible, just try.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Stookie on November 09, 2010, 19:16:27
Thank you for a thoughtful reply PR. That's all I wanted. You can't go into a church and just yell "you're all wrong!" and leave. I mean, you can, but it won't help anything.

I like your description of Enlightened Stookie. But it makes it very easy for "non enlightened people" to dismiss it as religious crap. But i guess that's just the way it is.
You simply can't prove that something like "enlightenment" is real without experiencing it yourself. But you can't really know because you feel, like people who feel there is a god (may be a bad example for some).
You can't really know anything.

All I said is that it's an indescribable realization, nothing religious or mystical about it. I never said what about - it could be something unique to each individual. And I'm not saying that's it should be a goal or end to anything at all, life goes on as normal. Everyone's experiences are unique to them. My main point was that it's not right for anyone else to say that what they haven't experienced is fantasy or a belief system because it doesn't fit in with their belief system. You've got to be open minded or you'll just keep coming to the same things over and over again and never progress.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Naykid on November 09, 2010, 19:40:15
Enlightened.

1: freed from ignorance and misinformation <an enlightened people> <an enlightened time>

2: based on full comprehension of the problems involved <issued an enlightened ruling>

I was looking at enlightened as having knowledge, not in a mystical way or something beyond human comprehension.  Like the other day I was enlightened on how delicious creme filled donuts are because I finally tried one.  :-D


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being compassionate to other human beings isn't a question of morality though.  morality is just another way that people are tricked into deeper and deeper duality.  nothing is black and white, everything is gray.  but, if you are genuinely compassionate towards other people then you can help create an integrated society where we all work together towards achieving a human utopia.  you don't need to bring arbitrary morality into it, that's just gonna muck things up.

I don't know if this is clear, but i'm basically tell you all that there are no rules, nothing is definite.  there is no answer, there is no question.  there is only your subjective experience and you get to decide what that is and what meaning it has for you.  don't ask other people because their experience is theirs not yours and so it is useless to you.  you will never learn to find the source of your being if you constantly turn to the watered down opinions of other people.  everything is possible, just try.   

I don't get this.  Are you saying it's ok to be an A-hole because you know that there will be no recourse for your bad behaviour, so continue being an A-hole?  That scares me.  In the world today, there are too many people doing mean and awful things to others because they think that it doesn't matter, that there are no rules. 

For example did anyone see that couple who taunted a seven year old child who is in the last stages of a degenerative brain disorder diagnosed as Huntington's Disease?- the same disease which killed her mother.  I'd rather have those two people believing that they will burn in some kind of hell for doing such a thing than running around clapping their hands with joy that they can be turds to a dying little girl.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: personalreality on November 10, 2010, 00:08:14
cool


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Xanth on November 10, 2010, 00:18:26
cool
Very


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: CFTraveler on November 10, 2010, 02:05:20
Ditto.  Well said Nay.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Naykid on November 10, 2010, 12:36:37
Thanks CF.  :-)

PR, I was hoping that you would answer my question on whether or not my assumption was right, but I see that you and your bro decided to take the high road and practice being adults.  Keep this up and you'll both be there in a few years.  Good luck with that.



Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: personalreality on November 10, 2010, 14:37:06
I'm sorry Nay.  I've been having some stressful times these past couple of days and I have felt a plethora of emotions that have nothing to do with this conversation.  so, rather than respond out of the anger and sadness that have been the overall theme of my life the past couple days, i decided i would do better to not respond at all.  perhaps once i've handled my current problems and have once again become centered, we can continue.  but until then, i'm not going to get into a philosophical discussion on morality with you.  it won't be productive for us or the forum.

i humbly concede and remove myself from any further discussion until i decide that i am capable of continuing said discussion with a clear and level head.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Lezi on November 15, 2010, 02:48:07
I for one believe in karma. What Karma means is different to each individual but I personally believe Karma goes a long the lines of this: Say somebody beats the heck out of a hobo. Well, rather than being "punished" by karma they instead must go through what that hobo went through in a later life or so. That is what I believe Karma is. Karma is not there to keep somebody in line, but rather to help us have a better understanding of others and to help us learn from our mistakes 8-)


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Xanth on November 15, 2010, 04:27:34
I for one believe in karma. What Karma means is different to each individual but I personally believe Karma goes a long the lines of this: Say somebody beats the heck out of a hobo. Well, rather than being "punished" by karma they instead must go through what that hobo went through in a later life or so. That is what I believe Karma is. Karma is not there to keep somebody in line, but rather to help us have a better understanding of others and to help us learn from our mistakes 8-)
But, is that not exactly what you're suggesting that it is?

You do something bad, so at some future point in time be it in this life or another, you're "forced" into experiencing that "bad" that you did to someone else.

This is why I simply can't accept Karma into my belief system anymore as I fully control my own life (here and whatever future life I may partake).


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Naykid on November 15, 2010, 12:28:11
But, is that not exactly what you're suggesting that it is?

You do something bad, so at some future point in time be it in this life or another, you're "forced" into experiencing that "bad" that you did to someone else.

This is why I simply can't accept Karma into my belief system anymore as I fully control my own life (here and whatever future life I may partake).

I don't think it means you are "forced" persay.  I believe YOU have control of how fast or slow you want to learn.  I'm curious though, why does the idea of karma make some uncomfortable?  Is it an authority issue?  A control issue?  I'm not quite sure what leaves the bad taste in ones mouth.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Jarrod on November 15, 2010, 15:37:07
I'm gonna but into this conversation real quick and give my opinion on karma.  I think it's just another word for that all encompassing natural law of the universe: Like Attracts Like.  So karma functions for the same reason that dream pools form, or even for the same reason that matter is attracted to itself.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Stookie on November 15, 2010, 16:42:14
But, is that not exactly what you're suggesting that it is?

You do something bad, so at some future point in time be it in this life or another, you're "forced" into experiencing that "bad" that you did to someone else.

This is why I simply can't accept Karma into my belief system anymore as I fully control my own life (here and whatever future life I may partake).

But aren't the decisions you make influenced by past choices? Perhaps the life you chose now you picked due to the outcomes of other lives you've lived and what you still need. And how this life turns out can effect the choices made in other lives. In this case, you make the decisions, but it still follows the idea behind karma.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Xanth on November 15, 2010, 16:46:29
I like to think I made those choices through complete free will for my own benefit.
Not because some law or rule forced/persuaded/nudged me to do it.  :)

I guess we could just be talking, yet again, semantics?  LoL

I guess I just see the application of "karma" as something forced upon a person.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Stookie on November 15, 2010, 17:20:51
I like to think I made those choices through complete free will for my own benefit.
Not because some law or rule forced/persuaded/nudged me to do it.  :)

I guess we could just be talking, yet again, semantics?  LoL

I guess I just see the application of "karma" as something forced upon a person.

You can't escape cause and effect. What has happened will effect what is going to happen (what decisions you make). If you make bad decisions, things will be effected. The idea isn't so much that you're being judged and forced, but that you need to be conscious and aware and responsible of choices you make. In this case, Karma is really just common sense.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Naykid on November 15, 2010, 18:42:34
Nicely said, Stookie.  :-)


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Xanth on November 15, 2010, 19:03:12
In a single lifetime situation, yes.  I wouldn't call that Karma though.
In a multi-lifetime situation... I don't believe so.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Stookie on November 15, 2010, 20:36:15
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In a single lifetime situation, yes.  I wouldn't call that Karma though.
In a multi-lifetime situation... I don't believe so.

You don't think it's possible that all of your physical lives could be connected? Wouldn't you think that when you start choosing the next life, those choices are made from previous experiences? If not, what would those choices be based on?

To me, this seems like an important part of the "whole". Even Monroe and Frank agreed on that.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Taoistguy on November 15, 2010, 20:40:12
Where does this wisdom of choosing what our next life is come from? Are we suddenly imbued with Wisdom when we die that we can make that choise? Or do we still hold the same values and judgements we have whilst alive? Or is it all random?



Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Xanth on November 15, 2010, 21:43:55
It definitely "can" play a role in your choices.
But I don't believe it "has" to play a role in your choices.

I mean, as Robert Monroe once said... perhaps in one life he just felt like he didn't eat enough Hamburgers.
Sure, he could decide to come back JUST for that reason, but then again, he could just as easily decide against it this time.

That was a great video... I think that was his Wednesdays with Robert videos. LoL
Hamburgers... that guy cracks me up.  :)


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: WASD on November 15, 2010, 21:49:44
I mean, as Robert Monroe once said... perhaps in one life he just felt like he didn't eat enough Hamburgers.
Sure, he could decide to come back JUST for that reason, but then again, he could just as easily decide against it this time.

That was a great video... I think that was his Wednesdays with Robert videos. LoL
I've watched that one and I don't remember anything about hamburgers but he said something like "perhaps in one life you didn't X and you want to return to that".


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Taoistguy on November 15, 2010, 21:56:02
So if I thought I hadn't killed anyone, I could come back to kill people? Or am I taking it too basically?
I've always thought, that if reincarnation like that was possible, then there would be more meaning and loving soirit involved?



Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Lezi on November 15, 2010, 22:02:20
Where does this wisdom of choosing what our next life is come from? Are we suddenly imbued with Wisdom when we die that we can make that choise? Or do we still hold the same values and judgements we have whilst alive? Or is it all random?



I don't think its random. I think our higher self or perhaps even a spirit guide discusses this with us. 8-)


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Taoistguy on November 15, 2010, 22:04:26
I don't think its random. I think our higher self or perhaps even a spirit guide discusses this with us. 8-)

So Robert Monroe is qrong? Or the higher self and/or spirit guide would agree about eating more burgers?
Or am I missing something?



Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Lezi on November 15, 2010, 22:06:36
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say he is wrong, I just don't agree with him. 8-)


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Naykid on November 15, 2010, 22:14:21
He could be wrong.  He's only human after all.  :-)

I find it interesting the angle Taoistguy seems to be seeing this from. 


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Taoistguy on November 15, 2010, 22:18:02
He could be wrong.  He's only human after all.  :-)

I find it interesting the angle Taoistguy seems to be seeing this from. 

What angle is that?
:)



Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Taoistguy on November 15, 2010, 22:19:06
Well, I wouldn't go so far as to say he is wrong, I just don't agree with him. 8-)

Why do you not agree with him? Surely that supposes you think he's wrong?



Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Naykid on November 15, 2010, 22:22:55
What angle is that?
:)



From the coming back and killing people angle.  That wouldn't have been the first reason that popped into my head, in fact it never even occurred to me to see it from that angle. 


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Taoistguy on November 15, 2010, 22:25:32
I only thought of that cos of the hamburger thing which involves killing. :|


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Naykid on November 15, 2010, 22:37:15
 :lol: I'm so lost.....   (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aktion/action-smiley-010.gif)


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Lezi on November 16, 2010, 01:46:18
:lol: I'm so lost.....   (http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/aktion/action-smiley-010.gif)

I second that 8-)

Why do you not agree with him? Surely that supposes you think he's wrong?



Well, I could in fact be wrong and he be right or vice versa. I don't want to be too quick to say that he is wrong should it turn out he's right.


Title: Re: "I am more Enlightened than you.."
Post by: Nameless on August 22, 2021, 22:40:04
I'm brand-new to this site and, at 3 AM, I took the time to read the OP's post and really enjoyed it.

I was dismayed at the responses. 

The last one, saying "Be humble" I found...ironic.

Spiritual evolution?  One takes the time to write his/her thoughts down and is basically laughed at, and/or his/her post isn't even read.

Perhaps I've joined the wrong forum.   :-(

My thoughts too. OP was spot on.