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Title: why religious mantras work?
Post by: mon9999 on March 09, 2011, 10:31:57
I've been chanting the "hare Krishna" maha mantra lately and all I can say is WOW!
I'm not a hindu and in fact I'm not a believer of any religion, but now after a few weeks of chanting this mantra it just gives me a sense of bliss and well being. I am also an astral projector from time to time but with no success lately so I tried chanting this mantra that I've found from the internet.
here is the full mantra:

Hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare
Hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare.

I just have to chant it without being concerned with the technical way of chanting it. Just chant it as if you are reading it.

Now my question is this, If religion Gods are not real or some of us believe that religions are fake or does not make any sense( for some ) then why do this hindu mantra work??  :?


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Xanth on March 09, 2011, 14:12:36
In my opinion, the words are "literally" meaningless.
What the mantra does for you is focus your intent upon your goal.  Nothing more, nothing less.

It works because you choose to make it work.

Take that same intent that you use to say those words... and say any gibberish phrase.  You'll find the same will work too.

"Steak potato apple orange gorilla"... that would work just as well as long as you placed the same intent behind it.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Astral316 on March 09, 2011, 17:55:57
"Steak potato apple orange gorilla"

Sounds like the ingredients for a good time, am i rite?  8-)


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: personalreality on March 09, 2011, 18:16:24
In my opinion, the words are "literally" meaningless.
What the mantra does for you is focus your intent upon your goal.  Nothing more, nothing less.

It works because you choose to make it work.

Take that same intent that you use to say those words... and say any gibberish phrase.  You'll find the same will work too.

"Steak potato apple orange gorilla"... that would work just as well as long as you placed the same intent behind it.

I have to address your cynicism right quick.

You ought to study some theoretical physics and electromagnetism.  I've been reading some stuff lately that might imply significant properties of acoustics, properties that could have a measureable impact on the mind and body.  Specifically, I've been reading a completely unrelated (to this topic) book, by Joseph Farrell, about the possibility of Giza being a weapon.  But in the course of explaining the theory, the author has pointed out some things that make me contemplate the effect of sound waves in more detail.  There was one particular part about using two different waves to cancel out and utilize the difference between them.......hemi-sync anyone? 

A mantra may be the remnants of a lost technology.  We may not understand the physics behind the tonal qualities, but that doesn't mean that there isn't something deeper happening than just "focusing".

Also, a woman taught me a mantra that I like,

"Nam-[Myo-Ho]-[Ren-Ge]-Kyo"

I don't know what it means.  The syllables in brackets are said together.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: CFTraveler on March 09, 2011, 18:47:29
Now my question is this, If religion Gods are not real or some of us believe that religions are fake or does not make any sense( for some ) then why do this hindu mantra work??  :?
Mantras have nothing to do with religion, so why wouldn't it work?
If you take the word 'God' out of the theistic bracket (that is, the idea of 'a' god or 'many' gods as limited objectified beings) and see God as the creative force of the universe (amongst other views) then you could say that saying a mantra allows you to tap into that creative power and use it to channel your creative ability.
As to what ps said about sound technology, who knows?  Technology can take many forms, and this can be one too.  We know that certain frequencies affect the brain in different ways, so maybe some mantras were previously researched in antiquity.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: mon9999 on March 10, 2011, 07:48:30
thanx for your replies guys, I learned something but I have to prove to myself if using other mantras with still the same intention would still work.  :-D


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: mon9999 on March 10, 2011, 08:02:36
Try it guys, experiment and chant the mantras, after a few weeks you will experience bliss. same feeling when you're in deep trance state or when you are in higher astral dimensions during OBE.
chant it for at least 30 cycles in the morning and 30 cycles at night before sleep.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Stillwater on March 10, 2011, 08:17:00
The way I think about, I think I take a somewhat altered version of what Xanth suggested:

I don't think that the meaning of the syllables is at all relavent, outside of causing you to contemplate a certain idea as you say them; the real force of a mantra probably comes from two places:

1) The focused intent: when we focus on a mantra, we are causing our concentration to take an object, which becomes the majority of our awareness, allowing us to better get into a meditative state.

2) The modulations of pitch: it has been shown that not only do binaural sounds have the ability to direct brain-waves, but that in in addition, strongly modulating sounds of low modulation frequency also can affect brainwave states (beta to delta, etc). The effect of larges numbers of monks chanting a powerfully reverberent sound which modulates at a 4-8hz range is a powerful aid to directing your mental state into the meditative brainwave of theta and delta. So it is not impossible that chanting a mantra in a certain manner might also help you entrain your brainwaves to one of these states.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: mon9999 on March 10, 2011, 08:31:24
I don't have to chant it in a certain manner ar style, I don't have to be concerned with my pitch, voice, how loud i chant it. I just have to chant it like reading a word.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: NoY on March 10, 2011, 15:29:37
i think its sympathetic resonance
when you say Auuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
your mind not only resonates with the group mind of all the monks saying Auummmmm
but you resonate with every monk who ever said it expanding your mind over eternitys

:NoY:


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: mon9999 on March 11, 2011, 08:33:30
try it guys, I recommend this, you don't have to be a hindu or to be a religious fanatic. just use it for wellbeing  :-)


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Pauli2 on March 11, 2011, 10:00:21
Hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare
Hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare.

Many years ago a teacher bought a record with this mantra. It went on for an hour.

The same stuff was repeated again and again.

The leader gets followers.

Brainwash.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: CFTraveler on March 11, 2011, 17:54:09
Many years ago a teacher bought a record with this mantra. It went on for an hour.

The same stuff was repeated again and again.

The leader gets followers.

Brainwash.
I don't know anything about poetry, but... is that a haiku?


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: mon9999 on March 14, 2011, 10:01:37
What's brainwahsing about mantras? like I said you don't have to be a hindu or give up what you believe in. It just give you a sense of wellbeing that's all. It worked for me yet I don't have the slightest interest to be a hindu or monk or whatsoever


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: blis on March 14, 2011, 12:34:04
i think its sympathetic resonance
when you say Auuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
your mind not only resonates with the group mind of all the monks saying Auummmmm
but you resonate with every monk who ever said it expanding your mind over eternitys
I hadnt thought of that. I can believe it.

That could explain why the mantra makes you feel so good. Hare Krishnas are Bhakti yogis, they concentrate on loving devotion of god. They must generate some pretty good feelings.

In saying that, I totally agree with PR though. Sound/words can have real power.

About five years ago I got into chanting the hare krshna maha mantra. It made me go a bit mental to be honest. I wouldnt chant any "god's" name these days. How do you know it's really a manifestation of god and not just some powerfull non-physical entity trying to feed off your energy and tie you to them in the afterlife.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: c0sm0nautt on June 28, 2011, 04:25:55
I've had strange dreams connected to my mantra where I am taken to worlds outside my reference of space and time - for example Tibetan monasteries for hundreds of years ago.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: brian1234 on October 11, 2011, 11:49:46
Religious Mantras are helpful in our day to day life.It helps to reduce the stress and tension from our mind.Also there will be physical and mental exercise which helps to keep us healthy.By repeating the mantras the sound and frequency utilizes some energy and hence the extra calories can be burnt away easily.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Homesick on October 11, 2011, 13:10:17
What NoY said :)

Also physical resonance created from the sound has much to do with the effect.
No need to believe anything.

Try for yourself.
Just find the resonance and calmly and gently hum a way  :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG_lNuNUVd4&list=PL872683CC21872DF2&index=6

My favorite, as it's so earthly, easy and has very soothing rhythmic.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: dotster on October 12, 2011, 03:58:59
It's no mystery that life wouldn't exist without vibration; everything in our measurable existence is vibrating to some degree. The meaning of the mantra itself is unimportant but the words used are used purposefully for the vibration that they invoke in the throat that resonates in the body. Mantras are considered to "massage" the central nervous system and internal organs by using vibration and resonance and it creates not only a calming effect from vibration (not unlike sitting in one of those vibrating massage chairs), but also distracts the mind from its normal chatter by focusing awareness on the part of your body that resonates with the sounds being produced. This shouldn't be a very unusual concept if you are a singer. Aum (the dipthong au in english) is the tone that resonates in the head. Take a deep breath and then let it out in a comfortable normal voice until you come up on the end of your breath. During this you should feel the vibration in your cranial cavity. The sound "Ahh" resonates in the heart area. When doing a mantra try feeling where in your body the tone is resonating. Use old mantras and learn to "feel" them in your body as they vibrate and as you get comfortable with the different sounds and relating them to where they resonate then you can make your own mantras to suite your own needs. Mantras are in my opinion best utilized with the Tactile Imaging technique to help "highlight" internal areas that cannot be stimulated by external stimuli such as a finger. After "targeting" the area with a mantra it is easier to place awareness there. That's just my two cents anyways hehe  :-)

All the best,
dotster


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: astralnaut1 on October 12, 2011, 06:34:04
my mantra will be: Its peanut butter jelly time, peanut butter jelly time..... XD


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Jilt on October 14, 2011, 01:56:10
When I chant "Om" while OOB it helps with lucidity, enhances flying ability and heightens the overall experience. I was OOB this week and a man said to me that I would have a better experience if I chanted Om which was interesting since I had forgotten to do so. People's experiences could also be related to breathing since when we chant or sing mentally our physical breathing becomes deeper to match.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: majour ka on November 18, 2011, 04:01:24
first off congrats!! Secondly there's three things that make sense to me from my experiences...and by the way im not religious either.

1. mantras give you a focus they create space in our thinking which allows the sense of being, that is to say the power of your own spirit that which is prior to thought shine through.

2. The words you are chanting are imbued with thousands of years of spiritual vibration, they will help you elevate your mind to connect with that collective spiritual consciousnesses. 

3. The vibratory qualities of the thought and and sound will have an effect on the electro magnetic field and our chakras, different tones different points of energy on the body and mind.

Try the Om for half an hour with eyes closed and gently gaze between your eye brows...It will blow your mind...you can start to sense the whole wold as particals of sound and light...then tell me there's no god  :-D


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Nameless on July 30, 2022, 02:42:14
Great conversation and good points all around. I would add only one thing and that is that any mantra also works to stop the thinking process. Stopping that process allows for just being in the moment.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Lumaza on July 30, 2022, 15:39:59
first off congrats!! Secondly there's three things that make sense to me from my experiences...and by the way im not religious either.

1. mantras give you a focus they create space in our thinking which allows the sense of being, that is to say the power of your own spirit that which is prior to thought shine through.

2. The words you are chanting are imbued with thousands of years of spiritual vibration, they will help you elevate your mind to connect with that collective spiritual consciousnesses. 

3. The vibratory qualities of the thought and and sound will have an effect on the electro magnetic field and our chakras, different tones different points of energy on the body and mind.

Try the Om for half an hour with eyes closed and gently gaze between your eye brows...It will blow your mind...you can start to sense the whole wold as particals of sound and light...then tell me there's no god  :-D

I like what Majour Ka had to say here. Majour Ka was the only one that pointed out the links that are created by the Collective "spiritual" consciousness, based on the repeated use, by thousands of people, of the same Mantra that was used since the Ancient times. In a way, it empowers it even further!  8-)

 I have used and still do today use a special healing Mantra that has been used for ages now. It is "Ra Ma Da Sa Sa Say Soh Hung". To empower and enhance it even further, I add mental imagery to represent each individual syllable. I use it as my opening of my Phase soaks and mentally repeat it 3 times. It immediately primes the pump for the session at hand!  :-)

 Using a Mantra is fantastic form of "mental conditioning". I end that Mantra with a inner explosion of energy. I feel it from within as it expands until I release it. It's kind of like a inner explosion/boost of energy that starts in the core of my body and then quickly permeates outwards. Even though it's brief, it is very powerful.
 You can hear that Mantra sung beautifully at this link here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrs9zlOW1U


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Nameless on July 30, 2022, 19:28:55
Love that video Lu. That is actually my favorite mantra as well. I have it on a CD done by Tibetan Monks. I also pull it up on yt and like to listen to various artists. But I will be using the one you posted for a while, vary soothing. Thank you!


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Lumaza on July 30, 2022, 21:32:42
Love that video Lu. That is actually my favorite mantra as well. I have it on a CD done by Tibetan Monks. I also pull it up on yt and like to listen to various artists. But I will be using the one you posted for a while, vary soothing. Thank you!
You're welcome, Dear!  :-)

  Years ago, I came across it. During the first few months I would use it like I use Binaural Beats. I would go listen to it daily. Then I noticed that the image of "elements" seemed to spontaneously appear while I was reciting it. This led me to investigate it further and I found that yes, it is all based on Fire, Water, Earth, Air and lastly Spirit. Like I said above, I still use it today as the intro to all of my Phase soak sessions. It is very calming.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Volgerle on July 30, 2022, 22:38:16
I recently experimented with Mantras again (after years). I will give this one a try, too.


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Lumaza on July 31, 2022, 00:29:16
I recently experimented with Mantras again (after years). I will give this one a try, too.
As Master Yoda says...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kRAE_2BPB0&t=2s
  :-D :-D :-D
 That was the long version. But nonetheless it is a "teachable" moment!  :-)


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: EscapeVelocity on July 31, 2022, 02:32:41
Agreed on the summation by majour ka plus Nameless' clarification on the "stopping the thinking" in order to create/allow a space to open for Being.

Excellent mantra and link Lumaza, thank you! It goes straight to my favorites and homescreen, then find a way to my Iphone!


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Lumaza on July 31, 2022, 05:08:58
Excellent mantra and link Lumaza, thank you! It goes straight to my favorites and homescreen, then find a way to my Iphone!
EV, your welcome!  :-)

 Which link did you mean? The one to the healing Mantra? The one to Master Yoda's wise words? or both?  :-D :-D :-D


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: omcasey on July 31, 2022, 05:15:53
I adore working with mantras and have worked with two for multiple decades:

1. The Gayatri Mantra
2. The Mrityunjaya Mantra

I work also with seed sounds: ah, om, aum, etc..

Someone mentioned Nam-myoho-renge-kyo.

I recently had worked with a Japanese care client who worked with this mantra twice daily her whole life. She taught it to me and we often practiced it together.

"Nam-myoho-renge-kyo is a vow, an expression of determination, to embrace and manifest our Buddha nature. It is a pledge to oneself to never yield to difficulties and to win over one’s suffering. At the same time, it is a vow to help others reveal this law in their own lives and achieve happiness."

This is so interesting to me. Notably as I, just moments prior to now was telling someone of a default mechanism I have in me.

I essentially described it as what is in quotes there. Which I didn't know until reading this thread and searching the translation. Life is fascinating.

Truly. Just wow.



Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Volgerle on July 31, 2022, 13:04:58
As Master Yoda says...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kRAE_2BPB0&t=2s
  :-D :-D :-D
 That was the long version. But nonetheless it is a "teachable" moment!  :-)
How could I forget   :-D

Of course I will DO it.   8-)

And Yoda ... always brings nice memories back from our common successful yoda/buddha figurine remote viewing experiment.
 :-)


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Lumaza on July 31, 2022, 15:56:40
And Yoda ... always brings nice memories back from our common successful yoda/buddha figurine remote viewing experiment.
 :-)
Yes, unfortunately that experiment died quickly, as does all the other group experiments that I attempt to implement on this Forum!  :roll:  Oh well, another time, maybe another reality!  :-) 


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Volgerle on July 31, 2022, 19:23:20
Yes, unfortunately that experiment died quickly, as does all the other group experiments that I attempt to implement on this Forum!  :roll:  Oh well, another time, maybe another reality!  :-)  
Many folks who 'tried' it (I should say 'did' but in this case they really only 'tried') just don't have the stamina for it if they are not really 'into' AP or similar techniques that afford some 'work' and commitment.

Just btw, I think a 'more loose' RV experiment could work on this forum though if we do not restrict it to a certain technique. One puts out a target (object of their choice, real one or a pic) and 'sends' it to the others who  make their guesses when they 'view' it by using a technique of their own choice, be it AP/OBE, dreaming, classical remote viewing or just intuitive 'vision quests'. So it would not be about 'teaching' a method but rather about 'practicing'. IMV this could work here. Just sayin'.
 8-)


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Lumaza on July 31, 2022, 21:07:58
Many folks who 'tried' it (I should say 'did' but in this case they really only 'tried') just don't have the stamina for it if they are not really 'into' AP or similar techniques that afford some 'work' and commitment.
"Try" in my mnd means "one and done".

Quote
Just btw, I think a 'more loose' RV experiment could work on this forum though if we do not restrict it to a certain technique. One puts out a target (object of their choice, real one or a pic) and 'sends' it to the others who  make their guesses when they 'view' it by using a technique of their own choice, be it AP/OBE, dreaming, classical remote viewing or just intuitive 'vision quests'. So it would not be about 'teaching' a method but rather about 'practicing'. IMV this could work here. Just sayin'.
 8-)
That sounds cool Volgerle! The problem is we barely get anyone posting on the Astral Pulse anymore as it is, let alone attempting to introduce a new experiment into the fray! :|


Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: Nameless on August 01, 2022, 22:35:20
Many folks who 'tried' it (I should say 'did' but in this case they really only 'tried') just don't have the stamina for it if they are not really 'into' AP or similar techniques that afford some 'work' and commitment.

Just btw, I think a 'more loose' RV experiment could work on this forum though if we do not restrict it to a certain technique. One puts out a target (object of their choice, real one or a pic) and 'sends' it to the others who  make their guesses when they 'view' it by using a technique of their own choice, be it AP/OBE, dreaming, classical remote viewing or just intuitive 'vision quests'. So it would not be about 'teaching' a method but rather about 'practicing'. IMV this could work here. Just sayin'.
 8-)
the Yoda experiment must have been before my time or I just don't remember it. But I like your idea Volgerle. We may be few but we're awesome. :-)



Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: omcasey on August 08, 2022, 22:05:20
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This is the direct link to the youtube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2j3byqyt_Vc)

My voice is not my strong suit to say the least, but I have been working with this mantra on and off since I discovered it decades ago while in my 30s *please see important note at the close of this post for a single correction, it appears I decided to make a change but that change is incorrect. I have practiced the Mrityunjaya along with the seed sounds and the Gayatri mantra. The Mrityunjaya is a mantra of ( and prayer for ) liberation. If you would like to learn this mantra the tools are right here to begin diving in.

THE MANTRA

Om Trayambakam Yajaamahe
Sugandhim Pushtivardhanam
Oorvarukamiva Bandhanaan
Mrityor-Mokshiyamaamrutaat



* * * * * * * * *


Meaning of the Mantra
The verse-by-verse meaning of this mantra is as follows: 🗣

Line 1 : Om Trayambakam Yajaamahe ~ Meaning : Bless me, Oh Divine Three-Eyed One, the unstoppable force of the Universe
Line 2 : Sugandhim Pushtivardhanam ~ Meaning : The One who is the aroma of the soul, and who nourishes the spirits of all beings
Line 3 : Oorvarukamiva Bandhanaan ~ Meaning : From the web of bondage that holds us captive like cucumbers entangled in their creepers
Line 4 : Mrityor-Mokshiyamaamrutaat ~ Meaning : Bless me, so I may achieve self-awareness and salvation from the fear of death and death itself. And achieve the immortality of spirit.

______________

Important note: ( my apologies ), at the end of the third stanza I am pronouncing a "t" and it should be "n". The exact pronunciation of the sounds is very important. Please follow the written words when working with this mantra. All else is correct in the video, just be sure to end the 3rd stanza with the sound "n". This video is for learning purposes, let's all learn correctly ( myself of course included! ). A very beautiful rendition of this mantra at 174hz can also be heard here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9nnJYmKOh3o).


Casey



Title: Re: why religious mantras work?
Post by: tides2dust on August 13, 2022, 21:49:28
I've been chanting the "hare Krishna" maha mantra lately and all I can say is WOW!
I'm not a hindu and in fact I'm not a believer of any religion, but now after a few weeks of chanting this mantra it just gives me a sense of bliss and well being. I am also an astral projector from time to time but with no success lately so I tried chanting this mantra that I've found from the internet.
here is the full mantra:

Hare krishna hare krishna krishna krishna hare hare
Hare rama hare rama rama rama hare hare.

I just have to chant it without being concerned with the technical way of chanting it. Just chant it as if you are reading it.

Now my question is this, If religion Gods are not real or some of us believe that religions are fake or does not make any sense( for some ) then why do this hindu mantra work??  :?
One, everything is vibration. Sound is sacred, powerful.
Two, sincerity is key.

Separately
Religion has been misunderstood and abused by we- children of this earth for a long, long time.

Your journey, your discoveries... These are real.