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Title: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on January 25, 2012, 21:45:04
Hello!

I discovered that humans can have OBEs about 2 months ago. From then, I am trying to have an OBE. I think I've tried everything. From listening to binaural beats to just relaxing with closed eyes and using methods such as the "rope method" e.t.c., but I can't do it.

In all of my efforts, I think that 5-6 times I felt vibrations to my body, but nothing more that this. Only one time, when I had lots of time to try, I laid down and tried, with binaural beats, to reach an OBE and from the fifth second of listening I felt a very big jerk of my left shoulder. I got afraid and stopped. I know that I had to continue, but it was late in the midnight and... I'm sure you know how I felt. :-D

Please, do you know any method that it may help me? Or any good binaural beat?

Thanks in advance.  :wink:

*Sorry for my english.  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Rudolph on January 25, 2012, 21:58:05
You could try obe4u.com

good luck!


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on January 25, 2012, 22:06:49
Thank you rudolph! Ill give it a try!


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Lionheart on January 25, 2012, 23:01:37
 Check out this new set of videos from Robert Bruce's new book Astral Projection Mastery. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNal9_-cyQA&list=PLA62BEC52C9D60C0A&feature=plcp&context=C39bf86dFDOEgsToPDskK4i8hJnTFdsJmkGG1PX0m6
 Good Luck  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on January 26, 2012, 11:10:18
Thanks for you reply Lionheart  :-)
I saw Bob's videos, but he is not saying anything else than what I already know. I am out of ideas. I don't know what else to try.  :-(


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: proyect_outzone on January 26, 2012, 11:33:23
You make only active OBE-Attempts, but it doesnt work for you, so you should try to make an passive OBE-Attempt. Here the Basics for it:

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*Active components are actions which require action from the physical body. These are not so easy like the passive components. Active are
-breathing techniques are very active
-eye movement is medium active
-constant observing (feeling) of the physical body medium active
-emotions can cause medium till high active, this includes anticipation for the expected things, fears and similar emotional feelings.

**Passive components are actions, which does not require action from the physical body. They are much easier. Passive are:
-Thoughts are medium passive, the unconscious layer (second layer) of thoughts is extremely passive.
-Hearing is medium passive. But hearing of sudden and not constant sounds and noises is very acctive.
-the pure focus on supernatural abilities (without usint anything of the phsical body) is very passive
-hypnagogig images are very passive
-visualisations and imaginations are also very passive

The OBE atempt can have two main courses. The active course and the passive course. Both are completely different. The active course leads to vibrations, while the passive course leads to sleep paralysis. Try it out!

But note: Too active courses leads to beeing awake, while too passive courses leads to fast falling asleep. But this affects only experienced users, because it needs practice too make the activity or passivity perfect.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on January 26, 2012, 11:53:02
Thank you very much for your response proyect_outzone.

Passive methods are like when you sleep to get on lucid dream e.t.c.? I couldn't undestand very much what you mean with your message. Could you, please, be more descriptive?

Thanks in advance.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: proyect_outzone on January 26, 2012, 12:20:24
The diffrence between them is, if you use only passive components, you will have an completely other course before your Exit phase, than when you use active components.

In the applying of out of body experience methods it comes to varying results. Much importance in these processes has, in addition to the choice of the basic method, particulary every little thing, that one does during the method. Does one look around or pays attention to breathing or feels the own body constantly to monitor the smallest changes. Each of these seemingly insignificant actions can have serious effects on the course of the attempt.

Active and passive components can be used to control the process of relaxation and falling asleep. Intentional use of them has much, much bigger impact, than many methods.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on January 26, 2012, 12:28:20
And where can I find information to have a passive OBE-attempt?

Thanks again in advance!  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: proyect_outzone on January 26, 2012, 14:21:16
You need just to make during the attemt none of the above mentioned active components or as less active components as possible. You should make only passive components.

Example: A person made till now a breathing technique. He heared to the noises of the surrounding. This person likes it to look around for every change (with closed eyes).

I sayd above:
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-breathing techniques are very active
-eye movement is medium active
.....
-Hearing is medium passive. But hearing of sudden and not constant sounds and noises is very acctive.

The person must replace the breathing technique with something other. And the person should think about to stop the physical eye movements. But the hearing of noises is already passive.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on January 26, 2012, 14:49:11
That sounds easy but... is it effective?

I'll give it a try in the night. Thank you very much!  :-D


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: proyect_outzone on January 26, 2012, 16:46:44
It is more effective than the choice of methods, because you take more direct influence.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Lionheart on January 27, 2012, 00:42:10
 Georgep, did you just hear about this or did you have an experience related to this? This does make a difference that's why I am asking.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on January 27, 2012, 13:03:08
Georgep, did you just hear about this or did you have an experience related to this? This does make a difference that's why I am asking.

You mean about astral project? I heard about it. I didn't have any experience ever.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Shivers on January 27, 2012, 13:23:00
Hi George,
Perhaps you are already on the right track with looking at what you've already experienced with vibrations and perhaps your shoulder jerking(inner sensation or actual physical shoulder moving?).
I think don't give up.  
Keep listening to the binaural beats and do whatever technique you are using and just completely relax into any sensations you are experiencing(lose all your worries but don't go to sleep).  If you feel something, try to keep being as a passive observer and don't feel fear or over-excitement.
If you get these sensations you are talking about and relax into them you will find that the sensations will become even more pronounced.  A vibration can lead to a loud roaring/buzzing noise(etc) and your inner body or whatever you want to call it, will suddenly start to rise or shoot off some where.  That's what usually happens with me anyway.
With the sensations that a person gets before AP or during, there's nothing at all to be frightened of.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on January 27, 2012, 14:54:32
Thanks for your response shivers  :-)
I am going right now to have another try, with binaural beats. Do you know any good beat that it is more effective than others that we can find on the web?

your shoulder jerking(inner sensation or actual physical shoulder moving?).
I am not sure if it was an inner sensation or an actual physical move, but it was a very powerful jerk(!), and I got it from the fifth second of listening to the beat!


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on January 27, 2012, 22:27:31
Another try, another fail  :-(
I tried to AP and then I... fell asleep  :-P

Also, I want to tell you another event that I had. I was on my bed, lying face down. I was telling myself "Now you will have an AP" again and again, with taking deep breaths... Then, suddenly my heart was beating at I think 150BPM  :-D, but as you already understood, I've been scared from this and stopped.   :-D


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: proyect_outzone on January 27, 2012, 22:29:54
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Then, suddenly my heart was beating at I think 150BPM  grin, but as you already understood, I've been scared from this and stopped.   

You had an rare kind of Vibration state. This kind is, of course, really scaring.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Shivers on January 28, 2012, 05:02:29
Hi George,
Uhhh, I've never used binaural beats to have an Ap :oops: Only because I've never heard of them until joining this forum just recently.
It seems that many people here tend to use the beats to help them and I've given it a try recently as well but that was not successful for me.  Seem to be getting into what's called f2(I think) and getting visual bits and pieces but haven't got any further(yet anyway :-D)

You know, I think in general people may try to have an Obe while retiring for the night or during relaxation.  If it's successful for them I think that's fantastic.  But if I try it, I only end up falling asleep too and for the whole night.

My Ap's usually happen while taking a day-time nap and then it's by accident.  Usually if I have a nap, it's because I'm bored and a little physically tired.  Halfway through the nap, I wake up yet my body is still asleep and then the signs of an Obe start happening(vibrations, visual signs, buzzing/roaring noise).

So in the end, it is worth experimenting with trying to Ap either at night, during a nap or during relaxation-you have to go with what works for you and everyone's different.  The first step I feel is to gain awareness while asleep if that's something you would try.  Or you could also try what's called "phasing", some people seem to have success with this and it's something that I'm currently trying.
http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html  Please read the section "B) What is 'Phasing', and how can I do it?"
There is alot of easy to understand information.

Lastly- I think the main point Frank Kepple may be trying to put across is to get away from constantly saying/thinking to yourself during an attempt that "Now you will have an Ap" and instead try to notice what is actually happening while your eyes are closed.  What do you see?   What do you hear?  


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Lionheart on January 28, 2012, 05:47:11
 That's called "noticing" Shivers and it works really well. One thing I can say to George is to try projecting from a comfortable chair or some other area than the bed. All your life you train yourself that your bed is for sleeping in. That's why it is so easy to doze off while attempting an OBE. I just posted this on another thread here and I think this will help you as well.
 "Hello, it looks like you are showing progress here. But, to truly be successful with anything in life you have to go through a learning curve. This involves showing a level of commitment to your desired task. Many of your questions can be answered by the PDF's and Primers that some of the participants here put a lot of time and effort into so you could have success just like them. The key here is you need to search these for your answers. I started Phasing last year in March and still everyday read PDF's, books and watch videos on Astral Travel. There is a wealth of information to be found on this subject here, on You Tube and even with a simple Google search. Do the work and you will reap the rewards.
 Good Luck and Safe Travels" 


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Contenteo on January 28, 2012, 06:52:25
I failed and failed and failed, and then the day I succeeded I wrote this:

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_steps_to_success_in_your_first_projections-t33998.0.html (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_steps_to_success_in_your_first_projections-t33998.0.html)

...with the hopes of helping people who may have been in the same situation I was.  :wink:

I also constructed a framework for phasing:

http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h438/Robert_Carbone/Contenteos2011ConceptualFramework.jpg (http://i1109.photobucket.com/albums/h438/Robert_Carbone/Contenteos2011ConceptualFramework.jpg)

These two tools should be enough to help you identify with what you might be going wrong. I fear it is something super-basic, like making sure you have a mature F10 state.

Good Luck

Cheers,
Contenteo


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on January 29, 2012, 15:07:33
i think that I am one step closer!  :-D
Ten minutes ago, I was trying to have an obe on my bed. I tried the "passive" way. I was laying and I was seeing the darkness off my eyes. Then, suddenly big circles started to come in front of my eyes and I was trying to follow them. As I was following them, I felt my eyelids blinking and then, I suddenly could see outside my eyes. I was seeing my ceiling and my lamp that it is on it. I am not sure if my eyes were open and that made me could see, but I think that they were closed. I tried to continue, but I couldn't 'cause some thoughts came on my mind and I couldn't be concentrated at it anymore.

Sorry for my english, but I'm so excited for, I think, being closer that I can't write better now  :-D

Do you think that I was able to see without my eyes or the "blinking" made me see?


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: proyect_outzone on January 29, 2012, 15:56:36
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Do you think that I was able to see without my eyes or the "blinking" made me see?

Both is possible. I got the problem, that my eyes opens a bit if i observe during deep relaxation too focused.

But i know also experiences, where i saw my room with closed eyes (It looked often diffrent and not only my room was visible). 


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on January 29, 2012, 16:37:46
Thanks for your reply proyect.

I want to ask something more. While I was trying to have an OBE, simultaneously, when my eyes started to blink, my heart started to beat faster e.t.c. But then, I couldn't know what to do. I think that that is the matter that various thoughts came on my mind, 'cause I was trying to find a way to "get out of my body". I remember that I tried the Rope Method, but it didn't work. Then I lost the symptoms (fast heart beating, vibrations e.t.c.). What do you think that I have to do if I reach this state again?

Thanks in advance.  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: proyect_outzone on January 29, 2012, 17:18:20
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What do you think that I have to do if I reach this state again?

Train to imagine different kinds of movements now, while you are awake. Some of them are easy for you, others are hard to imagine. Try the most easy movement during relaxation instead of the rope.

The other thing is, that you tried it too early. It will not be succesful while you still feel some thing from your physical body. This includes the heartbeat. Its part of the vibration state, but the most vibration states occurs much too early.

Practice in the next week the perfection of the passive component. Try during it to focus on hypnagogics instead of the physical view.

If your relaxation process needs too much time, try to count with this method (phase 2 or 3) till 40 before you begin with the other methods. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/a_new_and_interesting_relaxation_method-t36154.0.html


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on January 30, 2012, 14:13:16
Practice in the next week the perfection of the passive component. Try during it to focus on hypnagogics instead of the physical view.
What are hypnagogics? Can you give me an example? I couldn't find anything.

If your relaxation process needs too much time, try to count with this method (phase 2 or 3) till 40 before you begin with the other methods. http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/a_new_and_interesting_relaxation_method-t36154.0.html
I don't really know how to use this method, but Ill try it. Basically, I do not know if I'm doing it in the correct way.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: proyect_outzone on January 30, 2012, 15:44:41
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What are hypnagogics? Can you give me an example? I couldn't find anything.

You should read as next all basics about OBE. Without knowing the basics, you will NEVER have an OBE.

Basics are:

-what happens before a OBE
-When is the exit phase and how can you determine the right time

Without theoretical stuff can you try it for several months or years without any success. Knowing this two things is more important than the method, which you use.

Hypnagogic Images belong to the basics. These images are vieved already long time before falling asleep.

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I don't really know how to use this method, but Ill try it. Basically, I do not know if I'm doing it in the correct way.

The use is explained there. A general explantation would end in another replic of this text.  If you don't understand something specific, ask me in this topic.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on February 03, 2012, 23:01:48
Everything I try is a total failure. Everything. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I have been trying "phasing" the past days without success. What am I doing wrong?  :cry:


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Lionheart on February 04, 2012, 00:37:10
 It's probably because you have haven't read any of the tons of info that can be found on this site. I tell people over and over again, do not try to project from your bed and yet I still read about them falling asleep while trying to project from beds. We can help people to achieve success but you have to do what is said to you to get there. We have proven it works, now you just have to decide how bad you want it. Xanth made a PDF that has over a thousand posts answering hundreds of questions by a gentleman named Frank Kepple. Yes it takes time to read it, but it pays off in the end. Some people come here and expect instant success, others have been attempting projection for years and are still at it. You will be successful when you finally choose/will yourself to be. It's that easy. When you get vibrations/hypnogogs ignore them, you must have the mindset that I am in it as far as it takes . Bob Monroe talks about having a fear of death when he first attempted, he says the way he got over it was with the mindset that if it happens and he dies, so be it. That is the only way to succeed here, you have to be willing to risk all, but then after you do this once and see you are still alive everything gets easier.
 Good Luck .


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on February 04, 2012, 00:39:58
Yes, that's probably the best point to make.

You *will* need to learn to be patient.  Especially if you're the kind of person with a very active mind that is hard to "keep quiet"... because that will work against you.

You need to learn to meditate.  You need to learn to shut off your mind... and what you're posting kind of shows the exact opposite.  :)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Shivers on February 04, 2012, 04:02:44
Everything I try is a total failure. Everything. I don't know what I am doing wrong. I have been trying "phasing" the past days without success. What am I doing wrong?  :cry:


Hey George,  Sometimes I think that astral travel comes and goes.  For reasons unknown, I feel as though the soul/consciousness(or whatever you wish to name it) takes time to gather it's energy.  The fact that you've already had some experience with this shows that you are capable of achieving an Obe.

Personal note-lately my experiences have been quite dull/non-existant and I'm suspecting that maybe I need to recoup energy or that subconsciously I need a break from it, now matter how hard I try to have an Obe.  I've had Obe's for many years, but conscious phasing is very, very hard.  I can't Obe when trying to consciously phase or try too hard.

In the end just concentrate(or not concentrate :-P) on meditation/relaxation and say to yourself, if it happens, that's good.  But if nothing happens, don't beat yourself up over it.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on February 04, 2012, 05:16:04

Hey George,  Sometimes I think that astral travel comes and goes.  For reasons unknown, I feel as though the soul/consciousness(or whatever you wish to name it) takes time to gather it's energy.  The fact that you've already had some experience with this shows that you are capable of achieving an Obe.

Personal note-lately my experiences have been quite dull/non-existant and I'm suspecting that maybe I need to recoup energy or that subconsciously I need a break from it, now matter how hard I try to have an Obe.  I've had Obe's for many years, but conscious phasing is very, very hard.  I can't Obe when trying to consciously phase or try too hard.

In the end just concentrate(or not concentrate :-P) on meditation/relaxation and say to yourself, if it happens, that's good.  But if nothing happens, don't beat yourself up over it.
Bah!  I don't believe projection has anything to do with your energy level... your block COULD be subconscious, but only you have the power to break that then.

Astral Projection has everything to do with discipline and focus.  That's it.  :)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Shivers on February 04, 2012, 13:43:28
Do you think Xanth?
I find the more I try to have an Obe, the more elusive it becomes, but you're the one who's experienced here so you must be right-it must be a subconscious thing.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on February 04, 2012, 17:50:35
Do you think Xanth?
I find the more I try to have an Obe, the more elusive it becomes, but you're the one who's experienced here so you must be right-it must be a subconscious thing.
I know you deleted your account and all... but I hope you read this.

Some people run into this particular problem and they attribute it to what you just did without really thinking about what's going on in their life at that particular time or how quickly and effectively they can "focus their mind".  The easy solution is that "the more I do it the less I'm able"... then in reality, to me, that sounds like a cop-out answer for a lack of discipline and focus.

And I'm definitely no pro at this.  :)
In the end, you should always use your own judgment calls and don't trust anything anyone says regarding YOUR experiences.  ;)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on February 05, 2012, 00:42:35
I need to recoup energy
I think that I will agree with this. As I can see from my experience, I can only get to state of vibrations only if I have, for example, a week to try to OBE.

Also, I am not afraid of "death" or any other thing that it may "distract" me from achieving an OBE. I don't know what it's wrong with me, but I need to find out what I do wrong.  :-P


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Lionheart on February 05, 2012, 01:13:50
 How do you know if you are afraid of death or not, have you ever been tested? Let's say you get past the vibrations to the next level which can sometimes feel like your head is going to explode or you are having a brain aneurysm, will you just work through it? This is why a lot of practice is a must, putting a timeline of a week or so into this and expecting results is just being stubborn. Practice, practice, practice brings success. Read Frank's entire PDF,  watch videos pertaining to Astral Travel and "entrain" your mind to succeed.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on February 05, 2012, 02:35:34
Lionheart is bang on.

This isn't something you "try" for a "week".
This is something that should become a lifelong journey for you and will take however long it takes for you to learn. 

This is about "MASTERING" yourself.  If people think they're going to master themselves in a week, they're sadly mistaken.

Again, this is a LIFELONG venture you're perusing in an effort to learn more about yourself.



Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on February 05, 2012, 22:50:59
I feel this post I made on my website a while back is relevant. 

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I just started to read William Buhlman’s book, “Adventures Beyond The Body”, and I wanted to share a passage in it which illustrates beautifully why one needs to learn to control their thoughts and keep a focused, goal-oriented mind, when astral projecting.

Buhlman writes:

    "Each experience increased my realization that my nonphysical state of consciousness was extremely sensitive and responsive to the slightest thought. My prevailing conscious and subconscious thoughts would instantly propel me in a specific direction. I quickly learned that my subconscious mind exerts much more influence and control over my actions than I ever imagined. Often, a completely spontaneous thought would create an immediate reaction. For example, if I thought about flying, which I often did, I would immediately fly through the ceiling or wall and glide over my neighborhood."

This is probably the best paragraph I’ve ever read that shows perfectly why we need complete control.

This is what I believe to be the cause behind the experience which some people refer to as the “Astral Wind”.  Whereby you’ll be in one location, then some kind of wind or supposed “pushing” effect will happen upon you, where you’ll end up somewhere else unknowingly.  Well, this is why.

People don’t realize it and they try to externalize the sensation, which will cause it to appear as something external, such as a “wind” that uncontrollably blows you elsewhere.
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/09/13/why-you-need-to-control-your-thoughts/

This is what we learn to do through meditation.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Lionheart on February 05, 2012, 22:58:19
 That "wind" definitely blows when I Phase, lol. A lot of times I will get blown all over the multiverse, control is really hard to master. That's why a ton of practice is needed. Getting there seems like the easy part, mastering direction is another thing.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on February 10, 2012, 11:44:17
I know I became annoying, but I don't know what else to try. I am trying to OOBE everyday, but I only find myself standing there trying without any success. I read Xanth's ebook. I searched the web for more informations on how to induce an OOBE. But I can't do it. I can't even come to vibrations now. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. What you would do if you were me?


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Rudolph on February 10, 2012, 16:34:32
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I don't know what I'm doing wrong. What you would do if you were me?

Have you tried the OBE4U.com free eBook?

Only try in the morning as soon as you wake up. Or 4am after about 6 hours sleep. Any other time is an exercise in frustration for most beginners.

Focus strong effort on weekend mornings when you can stay in bed an extra long time. Take a break after that -- maybe try again on Wednesday.... Do not try every single day unless you are getting some success every single day. Take a break now and then. Focus on meditation on OBE-days-off.

Good luck!


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on February 10, 2012, 17:14:04
I know I became annoying, but I don't know what else to try. I am trying to OOBE everyday, but I only find myself standing there trying without any success. I read Xanth's ebook. I searched the web for more informations on how to induce an OOBE. But I can't do it. I can't even come to vibrations now. I don't know what I'm doing wrong. What you would do if you were me?
You're impatient.  That much is clear.  You need to slow down a bit.  :)
Work on meditation first.  Build yourself the foundation you require to make this a lifelong venture.

Start with this short video:  http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2011/08/16/how-to-meditate-tom-campbell/
Then read this post: http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2011/08/22/another-meditation-gem-from-the-mind-of-tom-campbell/
And note the first paragraph of it:

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You need to learn to meditate consistently first before trying more complex things, no wonder you are frustrated. Some how we have to calm that mind down or figure out a way to keep it occupied with non-operational non analytical fluff.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on February 10, 2012, 20:25:58
Thanks again for your help!  :-)

I, maybe, have to relax. Ill give it a break. As I can see, I only have some success if I don't try it every day and when I take breaks. Thanks again. I'll post again soon with my success. I hope I'll have some.  :-P


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on February 10, 2012, 20:44:06
Stick with the meditation and I'm sure you'll be successful.
There's never any reason to give it a break.

Also, I've found over the years that everything stems from Meditation.  Once you get really good at existing in that "Point Consciousness" state (aka void), you'll find it very easy to project yourself to anywhere you want... as you'll have disconnected yourself from this reality entirely.  :)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on February 19, 2012, 15:51:25
Hello again!
I don't know what else to do. I think that I have tried everything you told me.

I am going to tell you what i'm doing when i'm trying to astral project, so, you can maybe tell me what I am doing wrong.
When I am trying to astral project, I just lay on my bed and try to meditate. I am trying to relax all of my body. After some time, I feel that my body is numb. Sometimes, for example, if my fingers the time that I layed down were like a punch, I feel them like they are "free". I can't describe this 100%. I feel them that they are not like a punch now. That's the best I can do while I meditate. Some other times I start to dream -like day-dreaming- and suddenly I ''go back'' to my body and tell myself "I was dreaming now?". I think that I am a bit confused now. Sometimes I am trying to phase (I just try to see the blackness of my eyes) and some others I am just staying "there" doing nothing, not even thinking, but I can't reach the vibrational state or any other thing.

Can you please, tell me a.... program I can follow when I am meditating?

Thanks!  :-D


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on February 19, 2012, 17:12:24
Hello again!
I don't know what else to do. I think that I have tried everything you told me.
In nine days?

Try it for nine MONTHS first.  Then claim it doesn't work for you.

That's what I mean by you're impatient.  You're probably going to be on this Earth for *MANY MANY* years... enjoy the time.  :)

Quote
I am going to tell you what i'm doing when i'm trying to astral project, so, you can maybe tell me what I am doing wrong.
When I am trying to astral project, I just lay on my bed and try to meditate. I am trying to relax all of my body. After some time, I feel that my body is numb. Sometimes, for example, if my fingers the time that I layed down were like a punch, I feel them like they are "free". I can't describe this 100%. I feel them that they are not like a punch now. That's the best I can do while I meditate. Some other times I start to dream -like day-dreaming- and suddenly I ''go back'' to my body and tell myself "I was dreaming now?". I think that I am a bit confused now. Sometimes I am trying to phase (I just try to see the blackness of my eyes) and some others I am just staying "there" doing nothing, not even thinking, but I can't reach the vibrational state or any other thing.

Can you please, tell me a.... program I can follow when I am meditating?

Thanks!  :-D
Meditation.

I just posted a new series of videos on my site about Meditation... you might enjoy listening to them.
http://unlimitedboundaries.ca/2012/02/19/adyashanti-true-meditation-series/


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on February 19, 2012, 20:56:03
Thank you Xanth.  :-)

I just don't know if I am doing it right. That's why I am "impatient".  :-D


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on February 19, 2012, 21:18:11
And you're probably asking yourself that WHILE you're practicing.
Asking yourself this question is too analytical.  Just relax and allow the experience to happen.

Get rid of any expectations and assumptions you have regarding meditation.  :)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on February 19, 2012, 21:45:09
And you're probably asking yourself that WHILE you're practicing.
That's right  :-P

Thanks again Xanth  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 11, 2012, 04:15:33
Wow, I just have had my first  lucid dream, but I am not sure. I woke up at around 4. I had been sleeping for 1 hour. At 3 I tried to OOBE, but I fall asleep. Then, at 4 I tried again. 15 minutes before now, the time I am posting this, I .... Was at another room in my house, with all the lights closed sitting in the chair and suddenly I saw a light from a flashlight and I thought off "it is my mom and she wants to see if I am sleeping". Then, in the dark I saw a head, probably it was... Me, as I can remember how it looked like, and was looking at me and I think that I've been scared and that's the reason I shout "mom, is that you?". Then, I woke up with all my body feeling pitching. Anything it may was, and as long as it may durate, it was perfect. Also, I want to tell that it was so real, that it was like I actually was there, I am not sure if I could.... think what to do, but it was so much real, that I could see colors. For example, I still remember the flashlight and I still now ask myself "Was it real? It was so... Alive".

I forgot to say that I was sleeping before I first saw me sitting on that chair. I didn't have any "exit" from my body, as I can remember, e.t.c. I just woke up there, in the darkness. :-D

Also, another thing is that, I am not totally sure about it, I heard a voice when I woke up. I don't remember what it told me, I just remember I heard something. I am 98% that I heard that voice.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: NoY on March 11, 2012, 05:25:52
Congratz  8-)


:NoY:


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 11, 2012, 14:56:34
Can someone please maybe tell me if that it was a lucid dream or an OOBE (which had some strange events -like I saw a head in the dark e.t.c.-)? As I've said before, when I woke up all of my body was pitching. Is this a thing that you can "achieve" after an OOBE or from a Lucid Dream too?

Thanks in advance!


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Lionheart on March 11, 2012, 15:03:05
 I would say you had a classic OBE. A Lucid Dream is where you become aware in an already dream state. They are one in the same though. I have a number of Phase sessions when I am physical one moment and Astral the next without having any feeling of leaving my body. It's just turning one switch off and another one on.
 Congratulations on your first success, may you have many more!  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 11, 2012, 15:08:13
I would say you had a classic OBE. A Lucid Dream is where you become aware in an already dream state. They are one in the same though. I have a number of Phase sessions when I am physical one moment and Astral the next without having any feeling of leaving my body. It's just turning one switch off and another one on.
 Congratulations on your first success, may you have many more!  :-)
:-D :-D :-D :-D
Thanks Lionheart. You really made my day.  :-D
I'll try again tonight. I hope I'll have an OOBE again, 'cause it was a wonderful feeling.
Thanks again!


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on March 11, 2012, 16:13:28
:-D :-D :-D :-D
Thanks Lionheart. You really made my day.  :-D
I'll try again tonight. I hope I'll have an OOBE again, 'cause it was a wonderful feeling.
Thanks again!
My opinion...

If you're consciously aware of who you are (ie: You know your history, your life, where you work... you know the being that is you) while you're in a reality which you recognize as NOT being this physical reality... then you're "projecting".

Lucid... astral... whatever... that doesn't matter.  The point is that you became consciously aware while in a different reality.  :)

Grats!


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Rudolph on March 11, 2012, 19:09:43
Quote
Then, in the dark I saw a head, probably it was... Me

Sounds like classic OBE projection. Excellent start.

Question, re: the "Head" and "flashlight"...

Have you spent any serious time studying Hermetic or Rosicrucian type subjects?

You wonder if it is real? Of course it is real, but on an Inner Level that is connected to this physical awareness but not the way so many try to make it.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 11, 2012, 21:03:11
Have you spent any serious time studying Hermetic or Rosicrucian type subjects?
No, I haven't.
You wonder if it is real? Of course it is real, but on an Inner Level that is connected to this physical awareness but not the way so many try to make it.
Sorry for asking you all the time guys, but my English are not so good and I can't undestand everything very good.
What you mean with "but not the way so many try to make it" Rudolph?


Today, I've been thinking of my experience every hour. I can't... Forget it. As I've said before, it was something so fantastic and strange, together and I found another thing that it got me thinking again for the event I had (whatever it was: a lucid dream or an OOBE). As I said, in my experience I saw a flashlight and a head. The room I was it communicates directly with another room and they have a door between them. That door, every time it is closed, but in my experience it wasn't. The light was coming from the other room, and as I can remember, the door was open. Can this mean anything more?

Also, the time I saw... the head (that I am 98% sure that it was my head), I could only see it when the light got on it.


Sorry for being so analytical.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: embrace on March 12, 2012, 06:39:40
Don't bother with all those techniques until you learn how to achieve a conscious sleep paralysis. All the techniques are to be used WHEN YOU GET INTO SLEEP PARALYSIS (I wish somebody had told me this when I was struggling with it). So, focus on sleep paralysis - once you get it right, it will be very easy to achieve an OOBE from there.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Lionheart on March 12, 2012, 07:08:05
 I have found that a Light/Sound Machine will put you in a state of sleep paralysis in less than 15 minutes. It becomes a great launching pad to the Astral.There are many different ones on the market. It is well worth the price if you are really serious and shows yourself your true level of commitment. But you can definitely learn to do it without a machine, the L/S machine just creates a shortcut. I have been studying it's effect to see if it could truly aide someone brand new to this concept to achieve quick success. It is training wheels, but you can always take training wheels off once you don't need them anymore.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on March 13, 2012, 04:19:04
Don't bother with all those techniques until you learn how to achieve a conscious sleep paralysis. All the techniques are to be used WHEN YOU GET INTO SLEEP PARALYSIS (I wish somebody had told me this when I was struggling with it). So, focus on sleep paralysis - once you get it right, it will be very easy to achieve an OOBE from there.
Sleep Paralysis isn't required.  Just thought I'd point that out.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 13, 2012, 19:28:57
@embrace: The problem with me I think that it's that when I am trying to OOBE, I try so many methods (phase to just hearing to my breathing e.t.c.) that in the end, it doesn't matter how hard I try.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on March 13, 2012, 20:16:45
Do you get any of the pre-OBE symptoms consistently? I think you should start with getting 2 of those consistently first. The OBE's can come later after you master 2 of the following: vibrations, trance, sleep paralysis, rocking sensations, hearing high pitch sounds in head, seeing white or golden light behind eyelids, etc.

Everyone feels different variations of the pre-OBE symptoms. There are many more than this. Find out which ones are most compatible with you.

Try to keep your mind focused and passive during practice sessions. Stop your mind from chattering.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 14, 2012, 13:35:51
Yesterday night, I tried again.

The story (it will be short, hopefully :lol:): First I relaxed all my body, with exercises I've seen from this video that you can find on YouTube: Fast Relaxation For Lucid Dreams And OBEs. Then, I layed down. I was so relaxed that quickly I got a buzzing sound in my right ear (dont ask me why I heard it only from the right...). Then, I relaxed even more and vibrations started. That's the spot I lost it. While I was having vibrations, I didn't know what to do, so I tried to relax even more, which, as I can see again from a video on YouTube (OBE Vibrations & 3 Ways To Tell How Close You Are To An OBE), it's the best option. But then, I couldn't do anything to get out of my body. I'll try again tonight, but, can you tell me, if I reach again this point, what to do?

Thanks in advance, and thank you for all your help!  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 14, 2012, 19:51:33
Any idea for today? Sorry for double posting, but I want to try again in the night and the point I have problems is after vibrations. I don't know If I will reach vibrations again, but, if u can, please give me your idea on what to do after I reach them.

Thanks again and sorry (for another time) for double posting.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on March 14, 2012, 20:07:15
You can try to separate once you feel a faint tug which happens around the same time as the vibrations start. It is hard to find at first. When you get the tug, you can try rolling out of your body, lifting up out of your body, raising your soul through the top of the head, or by just willing yourself to another location.

I find it impossible to separate during the intense part of the vibrations. It is only possible to separate at the beginning or end of the vibrations. Not in the middle of them. At least for me, this is what I found.





Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 14, 2012, 20:10:42
Thanks you very much Todd!

And one more question that I can't undestand. When we say for example "then, rollover to get out of your body", you mean to actually try to move or just think about rolling/moving. Or for example, when you say "lift up your body", you mean for example to try raise my hand, or thinking of raising it? Because, I know that when trying to OBE, you must not move a muscle.

And, how will I know that I am out? Can I open my eyes? I'll feel it? I will suddenly get away from my body and can see it?


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on March 14, 2012, 20:29:42
It's more of a thinking or willing to move versus using your muscles. Lifting up is more of your ENTIRE soul rising like steam towards the ceiling not just an arm.

You will know you are out because you can move by willing yourself and you will feel floaty. You can also look at your hand during an OBE. If it seems to melt at the fingertips, you are definitely out of body.

You can ask me anything you want. I'll try to answer it to the best of my ability.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 14, 2012, 20:33:30
Thank you Todd! You and all the other people here are incredible!  :-)

I don't think that I have anything more to ask right now. I'll give it a try again tonight. I hope that, someday and somehow, I'll do it.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 17, 2012, 01:05:15
Here I am again, with a... new question.  :-D

I'm really confused now about... What really astral travel (or OBE) is? First of all, they are the same? Also, when you astral travel/OBE, you really get out of your body or you are just...as I have heard from many others "very consciousness about what is going on"? And everything that you see when you are Astral projecting is real or, as I said, is "in your mind"? I don't know if you can undestand what I am asking, but I think that I don't know yet what AP/OBE is.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Contenteo on March 17, 2012, 03:55:44
You will know when you are out of body. It is highly apparent. "Floaty" is a great way to describe it.

As for the rollout. You should just unconsciously do it. If you have to try and rollout, you are focusing on having a OBE too much. Just discipline yourself and try a drowsy attempt exit.

Cheers,
Contenteo


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Asmo on March 18, 2012, 12:43:26
Sorry if this comes a bit late, I admit I didn't read through the whole thread. I just wanted to say from my own experience, that if your main goal for now is to just experience a few OBE's to gain confidence or something, you should try the technique which can be found in the book in Whoamiii111's signature. That technique basically allowed me to wake up directly to sleep paralysis and thus skip the difficult part of achieving SP from an awakened state. For my first few weeks I tried to induce sleep paralysis directly when awake, but my excitement, impatience and uncertainty made it really difficult. But when I switched my technique to waking up to sleep paralysis and immediately separating, I succeeded three times within the same week. Now that I know I can do it and what it is like, and after receiving some confirmation from the wonderful people in this forum, all my impatience and expectations are gone and I can start practicing the other technique again while focusing on the process itself, not the goal.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Rudolph on March 18, 2012, 17:19:04
You will know when you are out of body. It is highly apparent. "Floaty" is a great way to describe it.

Actually if I use the rollout method, sometimes I will feel like I just rolled out physically and standing next to my bed and I am not sure if I am really out. I do a little hop and start "floating" as you said, and that is the clear indication of the OBE condition.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 18, 2012, 23:09:41
Thank you Asmo  :-)

I'll try this technique in the next weekend, 'cause now I don't have the benefit to try it, as I have to get up early.

Thanks again.  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 25, 2012, 22:14:50
Still no success..... I've tried meditating the last weeks every day. I'm not excited of having an OBE so much as the first days anymore, so my excitement does not affect my performance. I know I have to try more, but If I don't have any success at it, how can it keep me to continue? Can you suggest me any other method I can use?

Thank you very much.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: NoY on March 25, 2012, 22:21:28
did you try this http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/help_for_beginners-t32612.0.html

:NoY:


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 25, 2012, 22:23:35
did you try this http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_out_of_body_experiences/help_for_beginners-t32612.0.html

:NoY:

Yes NoY. Many times.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: NoY on March 25, 2012, 22:29:30
do you mean you cant even see your kitchen in your mind?


:NoY:


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 25, 2012, 22:30:33
do you mean you cant even see your kitchen in your mind?


:NoY:

What do you mean with "see"? When Im doing this method, I just imagine my kitchen. What do you mean with "see"??  :?


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: NoY on March 25, 2012, 22:52:14
i ment see in your mind with your third eye, if you think your just imagining it making up in your head then maybe that's your problem, you don't trust your ability to SEE


:NoY:


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 25, 2012, 22:55:24
i ment see in your mind with your third eye, if you think your just imagining it making up in your head then maybe that's your problem, you don't trust your ability to SEE


:NoY:
And how I can do it? I must think of a place in order to see it with my third eye or actually imagine it?

Thanks for your help NoY.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: NoY on March 25, 2012, 23:02:49
only 1% of your mind is in your body the rest is a giant sphere that covers all of life you only have to look within to see everything in life, they are simple truths but you need to accept them to move on, people make it harder for themselves if they belive this thing or that thing, my method is supposed to be so simple anybody can do it


so guess and you might be 100% right

see your kitchen in your mind see mars see anywhere thats not near your physical body,
just use your imagination to connect you to the place in your mind where its all real

:NoY:


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 26, 2012, 19:33:37
Yesterday night, right after your last post NoY, I tried to AP again before go to get some sleep.

I started doing your technique. Then, when I stopped the "breathing out and in"  part, I started imagining my kitchen. I didn't really knew how to "imagine" it, so I just tried to see it. Not imagining it in my brain, but just tried to see it. For another time I had no success, but, all of my body was feeling stings. Especially my head and hands. Not sure if that's the right word (stings), but I think you'll undestand. Also my hands were very heavy. What do you think I have to try when I am at this part again? I think that I was at "body asleep, mind awake" state, but Im not sure. :-P


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Rudolph on March 26, 2012, 19:39:08
"Prickly" is possibly the word you are looking for. I consider it a light form of vibrations.

This is one baby step away from projection.

Try to wobble side to side as though you were lying down in a canoe and then when the feeling is right - roll out.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 26, 2012, 19:42:38
"Prickly"
Exactly!

So, you think that I am close to OOBE? Finally!

Also, yesterday, If I remember right, I tried to do the "bed swing" technique. In this technique, you imagine that your bed is a big swing. But not for much time, 'cause I didn't have any success with it.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Lionheart on March 26, 2012, 19:51:25
Try this for 2 weeks Georgep. Everyday watch Astral Projection videos found on youtube, read Pdf's found here and elsewhere, listen to Binaural Beats, meditate, but don't attempt anything to project yet. Totally live the Astral for those 2 weeks, bombard your mind with knowledge. You will see this will pay off in the end because the Astral will come beckoning you! The important part here Geoergep is to not try anything at all to attempt during this period. After your 2 weeks come back and tell us your results. In the mornings when you awaken, right away write down your last dream, you normally get 30 seconds of full recollection.
 Good Luck and Safe Travels!  


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 26, 2012, 21:11:34
That's exactly what I'm doing every day Lionheart.  :-)

I search, I read... I try to learn new things and techniques which they might work.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Lionheart on March 26, 2012, 21:26:38

 The important part here Geoergep is to not try anything at all to attempt during this period.
 Good Luck and Safe Travels!  


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 29, 2012, 19:30:31
I'm back again.  :-P

Ok, if I can't achieve having an OBE yet, I want to try to have a Ludic Dream. I found that they are easier to achieve than Astral Projection. Is it true?
Also, is there any good technique? I read that before go to sleep, you can tell to yourself "when I'm asleep, I'll be conscious that I'm dreaming" and other stuff like this.

Also, Lionheart, thanks for your suggestion, but these days I have plenty of time to try to AP and I don't want to spend it doing other things.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Contenteo on March 30, 2012, 08:00:00
George.,

I don't feel you are sincerely trying during your attempts or reading the stuff we are giving you to read. Back on page two, I gave you two links that are gold. Sheer gold. And you are asking questions that were answered by those sources.

To have an OBE you need to discipline yourself and experiment with your consciousness. This is a journey to learn about what consciousness is, not some parlor trick. It takes a intentional ambition.

You want instant results? That's not even that hard. All you have to do is lay there with your eyes close and don't move. After 15 minutes (tops) you will have you whole body go numb. Just don't move and think about whatever.

I challenge you to discipline yourself to even lay on your couch there for 15 mins.

Cheers,
Contenteo


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 30, 2012, 10:29:38
Hello Contenteo.

Believe me, I try everything you tell me. I also read what you give me and search for other sources about AP.

I'm not sure if you mean this ("you want instant results...couch there for 15 mins."). You mean this or you just make fun?  :-P
As I've told in other posts, when I'm trying to AP, I stay still on my bed/chair for much mins. Sometimes, I stay there for hours. Still, without moving, and after 15-20 minutes I feel my hands hard to move and heavy. I also feel that they are out of my body (only my hands), but I can't do anything to move them.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: P5ynergy on March 30, 2012, 13:04:22
hi georgpe

maybe i can help you.

I was a complete skeptic about Astral projecting , having only been aware of it watching the horror movie "insidious" . As someone who is curious about it ,I discovered that was some real substance to it, so I tried about 100 times. Then i manage to do it within about 3 months . Now that was 4 months ago , ive tried again ever since and i keep failing , but i suspect ive done Lucid->OBe but maybe i was having a dream that I was aping.

What I can say is that it took me a damn 2 hours to do it first time . The first 1 hour 45 mins was crap. Was me just lying like a dummy getting excited at any small vibration even if it was simply pins and needles. But then it kinda happened - hughvibration all over , a repeating noise , and I was still fully aware at this point. Now I think basically for the first 1 1/2 hours I actually went into a light sleep. This was at lunch time. One of those where you can wake up really easily but your also semi-dreaming. I think this is what set me up to do the AP in the last half hour and it came on very quick.

So maybe the key is to have a snooze first. dont even think of APing . just have an hour snooze. Then when you wake up , then try again.

what I found when I was aping or at the heavy vibration stage that allowed me to move out of my body , was that I was very fully aware. Infact I was recalling tips from this forum whilst it was all happening. THis has led me to believe that you shouldnt need to go into a hypnogogic state because I think that in this state you either lose focus or you regain focus but you snap out so much you end up pretty much awake.

One thing ive learnt but Its not helped so far but will probably, is to not try and get too fustrated , because its this fustration that will prevent you from Aping.

also 5 minutes of meditation before hand will really help , dont underestimate it.

Take it from me , APing is REAL. I play way too much computer games (starcraft 2 , 4 hours a day)  and have a stressful job , my mind is like a tornado of random thoughts (mostly starcraft 2 build orders and strategies) . If I can do it , so can you .

so please george ...BELIEVE you will eventually do it. That is part of what will make it successful for you.

good luck . pm if you got further questions.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on March 30, 2012, 13:47:50
Hello Contenteo.

Believe me, I try everything you tell me. I also read what you give me and search for other sources about AP.

There's a saying "practice makes perfect"... I'm sure you've heard of it.

Well, it's wrong.

You can practice something as much as you want and unless you practice it perfectly (or relatively close), you'll never learn it.

"PERFECT practice makes perfect"

You're practicing, but you still probably don't understand what it is you're doing.

You're "missing" something.  I'd suggest go back, re-read my eBook and see if you can figure out what it is.  I'll give you one of them... and I mentioned this before, you're impatient.  You'll need to work on that first... learn to meditate.  BECOME PATIENCE.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 02, 2012, 16:30:20
I re-read Xanth's book and I have one question about "Phase". The last days I'm trying to AP through phasing. I just have one question. When Im ... "Phasing", can I daydream in order not to get disturbed by thoughts? Or I have to be completely passive?

Thanks!


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on April 02, 2012, 18:04:21
Those are two separate exercises.

One is the Mental Rundown, the other is "Noticing".


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Contenteo on April 04, 2012, 17:12:24
Exactly. Two different tactics.

You'll find both foster the same goal, passive disconnectedness. When you phase, you won't know that you phased because you'll be so wrapped up in your daydream/noticing. You'll know that process began, and can think about it. but the really good exits are the ones that just happen.

It's like going to sleep. When you think about sleeping, you stay awake. You can't get to sleep. Same goes for phasing.

Sounds like your on a good track.

Good Luck.

Cheers,
Contenteo



Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 14, 2012, 01:03:40
Hi again!

After all these months, with so much effort given from me, I didn't achieve anything else from the lucid dream/OBE I talked about in an earlier post.
I'm starting to lose my faith about APs e.t.c. I don't know what to do. I, also, don't know why I'm writing this post to you. Maybe I need some more advice. Maybe I need some help to start believing in this again. I don't really know. I have already started giving up.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on April 14, 2012, 01:35:08
Georgep,

One last technique you can try. Look towards the bottom of the link for: "What’s the secret of turning ASP into OBE?", and follow the instructions exactly. I had an OBE this morning by doing this particular technique.

http://www.robertpeterson.org/asp.htm


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on April 14, 2012, 04:22:18
It took me over 10 years to figure out projection on my own... everything I know is in my ebook which, I believe, you've already read.

Sometimes you just need to make your own discoveries.

I'd suggest not bothering with astral projection and just work on trying to relax and calm your mind.  That seems to be your #1 problem in my opinion.

Astral Projection will come naturally after you've managed that.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 14, 2012, 12:18:59
Georgep,

One last technique you can try. Look towards the bottom of the link for: "What’s the secret of turning ASP into OBE?", and follow the instructions exactly. I had an OBE this morning by doing this particular technique.

http://www.robertpeterson.org/asp.htm

The only part, which is essential, and I do not understand, is this: Second, try to push forward with your consciousness and imagine that your consciousness is moving forward.
How can I "push" my consciousness?

everything I know is in my ebook which, I believe, you've already read.
I've read it already twice.  :-)

Thank you very much for your responses!


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Szaxx on April 14, 2012, 13:09:15
Hi George,
If you can give a detailed description of what you do complete with all the things you noticed then that info could disclose anything that could be preventing you from succeeding.
You have read lots and Im sure have a suitable course of action that works best for you but something is amiss.
You'll do this with the correct sequence and the required mindset. Its just a matter of time.
 Please be patient, this can't be stressed enough.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: P5ynergy on April 14, 2012, 14:52:22
Hi heres a way of doing it

Step 1 : wake up 2 hours earlier then normal.
Step 2 : take a leak , blow your nose etc
Step 3 : maintain your grogginess
Step 4 : find a couch
Step 5 : close eyes and free mind of thoughts (should be easy as your groggy)
Step 6 : start to feel paraylsis after around 30 minutes or heavy vibration
Step 7 : dont panic , dont get too excited . Will yourself to partially sit up or roll off couch.

Seems your problem is an over active mind. If you do the morning thing , the grogginess deals with it . Dont bother trying to ap at any other time unless you have full calm control. I know i dont and i only do it in morning . Had 4th sucess this morning .


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on April 14, 2012, 18:13:33
How can I "push" my consciousness?
I do this as well in conjunction with the Noticing exercise.

It's to describe how you "push" your consciousness forward... but I'll try.
As you're sitting there staring at the darkness, the act of pushing your consciousness forward is that you want to move INTO the darkness that's in front of you.
I describe it usually as "drilling your consciousness forward" instead of pushing.  I imagine my consciousness as a drill that's moving forward through the darkness as a drill going through wood or dirt.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: CFTraveler on April 14, 2012, 22:42:55
I describe it as letting myself 'fall' forward (or, if you've ever gone surfing, letting myself 'lean into' the wave, and getting sucked into the tube.)  Not an effort, more like a 'letting it happen'.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on April 14, 2012, 23:38:03
I describe it usually as "drilling your consciousness forward" instead of pushing.  I imagine my consciousness as a drill that's moving forward through the darkness as a drill going through wood or dirt.

This is a great explanation of it.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 17, 2012, 20:42:02
Still cant achieve anything  :-D
I think that the problem is that I can't get into sleep paralysis. When still, I can feel my body and I can, at anytime, stop what Im doing with moving it. (so, I can move anything)

Is there any good advice on how to get in sleep paralysis?  :oops:

Thanks!


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on April 17, 2012, 21:08:25
Georgep,

Read the last post by embrace about sleep paralysis. It gives a very good way to get sleep paralysis. Good luck. It's called OOBE-the easy way.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Lionheart on April 17, 2012, 23:29:36
 George after 8 pages of the same thing I suggest you watch this video by Thomas Campbell. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRar8IOwic8&feature=BFa&list=PLEB923BB17E5849A3&lf=plpp_video. He not only aides people in how to get there, what frame of mind they need, techniques etc., he explains that this is a "life journey", not a foot race. You can not force yourself to view the higher realities. You can teach yourself to attain them though, through hard work and determination. He talks about the importance of meditation, but not in the sense of doing it for a couple of weeks or months, he talks about doing the same thing over 5 years. That finding the higher reality begins with a decision to change. Change the way you think, change the way you act to others. This is not just about closing your eyes and being successful. I have listened to his speeches countless times. Last night for instance I was using his speech as a background to Phase. Some people can't sit and listen to a 3 hour speech, their life is too fast paced for that. I am in no rush at all. You start to see little changes in the way you think and act, you start to notice small progresses that are being made. First you learn to close your eyes and notice. Then all of a sudden vibrations or sounds start to occur. This is usually when a new person will immediately stop for the day, due to the excitement of something unusual occurring. The trick is to passively observe everthing with an air of curiosity. Relax, release, let go, no stress, no pressure. Then write down your results for that session. The next day you repeat, but this time something new happens. Once again write down your results and on to the next day. Approach this as you would an scientific experiment.  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on April 18, 2012, 03:04:03
Still cant achieve anything  :-D
I think that the problem is that I can't get into sleep paralysis. When still, I can feel my body and I can, at anytime, stop what Im doing with moving it. (so, I can move anything)

Is there any good advice on how to get in sleep paralysis?  :oops:

Thanks!
You don't EVER have to experience Sleep Paralysis in order to project.  Never.  It's a misconception that it's some kind of goal.  It's not... it's simply not.

You're looking for some quick fix and you simply won't find it.  What you need is to train your mind... and you won't do that over 4 months trying to find a quick fix.  Won't happen.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Contenteo on April 18, 2012, 06:04:06
Dude, I mentioned the importance of F10 in my first post to you.

Then I yelled at you and called you out for not reading the material I posted.

Now you ask for sources on the material I told you to read that you said you did!?

Just look back at my first post that info is right there.

Cheers,
Contenteo


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 18, 2012, 12:26:36
Dude, I mentioned the importance of F10 in my first post to you.

Then I yelled at you and called you out for not reading the material I posted.

Now you ask for sources on the material I told you to read that you said you did!?

Just look back at my first post that info is right there.

Cheers,
Contenteo

I read everything you give me. Except that your post has been posted 3 months ago and I can't remember it, English is not my native language, so, it's a bit difficult for me to keep anything on my mind and remember it.

Sorry, and thanks!  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on April 18, 2012, 13:58:05
LoL


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 18, 2012, 15:35:41
LoL
If you can't undestand anything very well, you won't be able to remember everything.  :-D


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Contenteo on April 18, 2012, 18:26:57
lol mb  :-P

you type pretty well for it being not your first.

So I messed up, I post this so often, thought I gave you Tom's focus 10 back there. But I didn't, I gave you to other links.

This is what you want to read.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/focus_10_mind_awakebody_asleep-t24783.0.html (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/focus_10_mind_awakebody_asleep-t24783.0.html)

Cheers,
Contenteo


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on April 18, 2012, 23:50:29
And that's "Major Tom"  aka Fred... not Tom Campbell as we all are usually talking about these days.  LoL


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 19, 2012, 00:10:40
you type pretty well for it being not your first.
LOL!  :-D
Thanks. Didn't notice that! Hahaha :D

This is what you want to read.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/focus_10_mind_awakebody_asleep-t24783.0.html (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_permanent_astral_topics/focus_10_mind_awakebody_asleep-t24783.0.html)

WOW. So many letters in this post! I will never finish it!  :-P


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 19, 2012, 00:16:46
And that's "Major Tom"  aka Fred... not Tom Campbell as we all are usually talking about these days.  LoL

And then it's my fault and you're telling me that I'm not reading everything you give me. No, I read them all. Its yours fault that you give me mistaken links!  :-D
Just kidding of course =))

Sorry for the doublepost. Maybe a Mod can merge my posts. :)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on April 19, 2012, 00:27:07
Georgep,

Tell me about your OBE practice sessions and how a typical one goes, so we know more on how to help you.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 19, 2012, 00:37:33
Georgep,

Tell me about your OBE practice sessions and how a typical one goes, so we know more on how to help you.
OK.
Let me explain you my program when I'm trying to achieve an OBE.

Firstly, I just lay on my bed in a comfortable position. Then, I'm trying not to move any part of my body (except from my eyes - is this bad?). Then, when I'm feeling my body "heavy" (I just can feel my hands and legs heavy. Not any other part of my body is that heavy as them), to be open-faced, I don't really know what I'm trying. Sometimes I just "stay there" with still body, looking at the darkness behind my eyes and trying to see the changes that are created [like lights, circles of light (?)] e.t.c., but I don't tell when I'm seeing it that "oh, look, there, there is a change". I just see them. I try to be passive. I don't know if you can really undestand what I'm saying. Some other times, I just "stay there", with my semi-asleep body (semi: because I can move anytime any part of it, but as I said I can feel my hands e.t.c. heavy), trying to use some methods like "The Rope", or thinking I'm running, swimming, feeling my bed as a big swing (which, most of the times, this method I could say that it's working, 'cause I can feel some "movement" in my body) e.t.c.

If you can't undestand something from my post (or all of it  :-D), just let me know!

Thanks!  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on April 19, 2012, 00:53:37
When your hands and legs feel heavy, you are experiencing sleep paralysis. Like I said in previous posts, you need to get the vibrations. First goal is sleep paralysis (which you can get), second goal is to get the vibrations (you have gotten them a few times but not often enough), the final goal is separation into an OBE (this you never have gotten). So I think you are halfway between goal number one and two. This is pretty good.

George, can you hear a high pitch sound in your head when it it very quiet? If you can let me know. I may have a technique for you to use.

I never use visualizations in my OBE practice sessions. I only use sounds. I am clairaudient. Maybe you are too.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 19, 2012, 00:59:05
George, can you hear a high pitch sound in your head when it it very quiet? If you can let me know. I may have a technique for you to use.
I have a problem in my head that it's called "Tinnitus". Maybe you have heard of it. It's is like this sound, in the "background" of this video, this "zzzzzzzzzzz". I can't really describe this http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=OE5fIoveLoM#t=28s

so, I (can) hear a high pitch sound in my head, all the time.  :-D


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on April 19, 2012, 01:03:30
so, I (can) hear a high pitch sound in my head, all the time.  :-D

This is great news. You can use that sound to have OBE's. I have had many OBE's just from using that sound. I have taught 8 people to have OBE's from listening to this sound. I will gather the technique together and post it on here for you to try.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 19, 2012, 01:05:06
This is great news. You can use that sound to have OBE's. I have had many OBE's just from using that sound. I have taught 8 people to have OBE's from listening to this sound. I will gather the technique together and post it on here for you to try.

Thanks you very much Todd. And no, it's not really "great news" ( :-D), but ok, I learnt to live with it. It's a bit annoying. Do you have this problem tοo?

Thank you again! :-D


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on April 19, 2012, 01:08:50
Do you have this problem to?

I don't have tinnitus. But I can make the sound in my head very loud like tinnitus as long as I use my will to raise the volume. Once I let up, the sound goes back to not hearing it.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 19, 2012, 01:11:16
I don't have tinnitus. But I can make the sound in my head very loud like tinnitus as long as I use my will to raise the volume. Once I let up, the sound goes back to not hearing it.
Hmm. Wait. That's a post more about "health subjects", but anyway, I'll ask.
In the video that I gave you, they say that they here this sound "IN their ears". But I don't hear it in my ears. I feel that it is in the center of my brain. Can't describe it. Do you know if it's tinnitus or something else?  :-o


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on April 19, 2012, 01:21:50
Hmm. Wait. That's a post more about "health subjects", but anyway, I'll ask.
In the video that I gave you, they say that they here this sound "IN their ears". But I don't hear it in my ears. I feel that it is in the center of my brain. Can't describe it. Do you know if it's tinnitus or something else?  :-o

The center of the head is where you want to hear the sound, so you can have an OBE. It is the sound that is made from oscillations or vibrations of the pineal gland which is in the exact center of the head. This is a good thing to have for OBE's. Below is a link to a picture of the pineal gland that is located in the center of the head.

http://sacrededenblog.com/wp-content/uploads/uchr_01_img0052.jpg


On the other hand, tinnitus isn't in the center of the head. Tinnitus is a disorder of the ears. I am a doctor and have treated these disorders.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 19, 2012, 01:26:56
Oh! Ok. Thank you for one more time Todd :)

Please, post me the directions any time you can  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on April 19, 2012, 01:39:21
You may get better results in a recliner since it is easier to stay awake. Also it is easier to have an OBE in the early morning about two hours before you usually get up. So go to sleep in your bed for 4 to 6 hours. Get up for anywhere from 5 minutes up to an hour and read. Then lay down in a recliner and touch your thumb and first finger together at the pads and have both hands resting by your sides. Do this with both hands while you are laying on your back. When sleep paralysis is first coming on you will not feel your fingers touching anymore. They actually are still touching, but you will not feel it. This is the very beginning of sleep paralysis. Once you reach this point, do one of the two below techniques:

There are two different techniques you can choose from. Try both and see which one works better for you. Also try using earplugs and try not using earplugs. See which way gets you better results. Here are the two techniques and they are easy to do.

1) For this exercise, relax and focus your mind. Then start listening for this whining sound in the center of your head. Once you find it, use your imagination to try to increase the pitch and volume. Increase the pitch until the sound is almost out of the range of your hearing. Do this for as long as it takes until you get the vibrations.

or

2) For this exercise, relax and focus your mind. Then start listening for this whining sound in the center of your head. Once you find it, use your mind to try to increase the volume. Increase the volume until you can't hear the sound anymore. Then relax a little until you can hear the sound again. Then raise the volume again until you can't hear the sound anymore. Keep repeating this cycle. Eventually this will cause the vibrations to come so you can separate your soul body from your physical body.

Once you can feel the vibrations then do the technique below:

I separate my soul from my physical body when I feel a faint tug that usually occurs immediately when the vibrations come. Sometimes it comes slightly later.

The tug only last for a second, so you may miss it. The tug feels like you are rising and sometimes it feels like you are falling. Remember it only lasts for a second. That is your go time. Then at that exact moment of the tug, you can try rolling out, lifting out, sitting up, willing your conscious forward, slipping through the soles of your feet, or you can rise like steam escaping through the top of your head. Do whatever exit method that gives you the best results.

The vibrations may be very strong or very weak depending on how deep your sleep paralysis is. The deeper the sleep paralysis, the less intense the vibrations are. The less intense vibrations feel like a slight shiver. The more intense vibrations feel like your entire body is shaking.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 19, 2012, 01:42:00
Thank you Todd!

Ill try your method!  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on April 19, 2012, 02:32:06
OBE's are the greatest thing that has ever happened to me. So never give up George. It is well worth the effort to keep practicing.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 19, 2012, 02:53:58
OBE's are the greatest thing that has ever happened to me. So never give up George. It is well worth the effort to keep practicing.
I just used your method. For now, it's the most effective method I've ever used. The only disadvantage for me, I can't really get rid of the sound, but it was the first time I felt my body so much heavy. Also, when i reached a very high pitched sound, and stayed there for a bit, I felt like I could move in my body without moving it. Not much, but could move in it. But I couldn't handle it for a long time, cause I felt that it was an insect or something moving on my neck. Of course it wasn't anything but just my imagination.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on April 19, 2012, 03:10:06
When i reached a very high pitched sound, and stayed there for a bit, I felt like I could move in my body without moving it.

Congratulations. This movement is your soul (etheric body) moving inside your physical body. The soul is starting to loosen its connections to the physical body. You are on your way to success.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on April 28, 2012, 16:34:48
Hello guys for one more time.

Today I tried to OBE with the use of Binaural Beats. Basically, this week I have been using them always, except from when I was at bed at night (but I was using them at my afternoon obe practices).
So, today I've used a binaural beat with directions in the video (you know, a human talking on what to do, etc). At first, I was very very relaxed, but suddenly, I dont really remember at which part of the video, all of me, fell asleep. I can't remember anything. But that which made me think of "If I had a OBE and can't really recall anything?" is the ten last minutes of the video, which you can hear in here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=MKB8RfCcvAA#t=2487s

He's telling: Now, notice your physical body bla bla bla

That's the part I've started to feel my body and my "conciousness" again. Do you think that I may had an OBE/LD and can't recall the things I did? Or you think that I accidentally woke up at this part of the video? Remember, English is not my first language, and I find it difficult of listening at the video when I was "sleeping" and understanding what it was saying. :roll:


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on April 28, 2012, 19:09:31
That's the part I've started to feel my body and my "conciousness" again. Do you think that I may had an OBE/LD and can't recall the things I did? Or you think that I accidentally woke up at this part of the video? Remember, English is not my first language, and I find it difficult of listening at the video when I was "sleeping" and understanding what it was saying. :roll:
If you're ever unconsciously aware in the non-physical, I believe that you're always doing something.  You're just not aware of it.  You were effectively unconsciously dreaming. 

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He's telling: Now, notice your physical body bla bla bla
Instead of noticing your physical body... try, instead, to focus upon the surroundings of where you know your physical body to be.   :)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Lionheart on April 28, 2012, 21:59:57
 George your Binaural Beat video/MP3 sounds like a "hypnotic walkthrough". Dr. Steve G. Jones uses this in his videos to great success. You most likely were out of your body for that time that you lack memory of it. Now the trick is to use that video/MP3 for the next month, every day. Also create some positive affirmations before you start the session. Brain Entrainment is incredibly important to succeed. Just KNOW that you can leave your vessel at any time you wish. Don't try to, DO.
Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on June 04, 2012, 01:20:33
I have to write in here for more than a month  :-D

Anyway. Nothing new happened to me. I just wanted to say "Hi" and that I just watched the movie "Insidious". Very good movie. Now, after watching the movie, I want again to try having an OBE. The last month, I didn't tried anything, because nothing works for me and I'm "tired" of trying it.

So, hello.  :-D


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: David Warner on June 04, 2012, 01:38:21
Georgep,

I have skimmed through this thread and I don't think you've been giving yourself a fair shake on this. There are variables, approaches and circumstances involved in projecting .

Think about OBE like you are training to run in a marathon that takes time, practice, commitment and patience.

Dave


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on June 29, 2012, 00:26:28
Georgep,

I have skimmed through this thread and I don't think you've been giving yourself a fair shake on this. There are variables, approaches and circumstances involved in projecting .

Think about OBE like you are training to run in a marathon that takes time, practice, commitment and patience.

Dave

It's not that I do not try David. I just don't have the same desire as I had in the first months of my tryings. I think that I'm a bit tired from all of this.
Now, when I'm trying to OBE, I just lay down and after some time I tell to myself "Forget it, go to sleep." I don't know. I think that I can't find the correct method that it will lead me to achieve a projection.
Let me tell you, for one more time, the things I do when I'm trying to AP:
1. I lay down to my bed
2. I find a comfortable position
3. I close my eyes and I don't move any part of my body (except from my eyes. Is that okay?)
4. Sometimes I feel, especially my legs, but sometimes my hands too, like they are thrown away. Some other times I just don't feel anything, except from sting sensations.
I feel that at part N.4 I lose it. I just don't know what to think, what to do. The things I think about at this part, are that I fly e.t.c. I don't know what else to think about.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Made O pHI on June 29, 2012, 00:57:15
Try the Vigil Method ! Worked best for me.
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_vigil_method-t37291.0.html (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_vigil_method-t37291.0.html)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Contenteo on June 29, 2012, 08:58:31
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1. I lay down to my bed
Do not lay down in your bed, your body has anchored it subconsciously for a place of sleep. Do not attempt projection before bed either. Wake up early and go to a non normal sleeping place, like a couch or recliner after the "screw staying up, I am going back to bed" feeling kicks in.
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2. I find a comfortable position
Yes, yes, comfort is good  :-P
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3. I close my eyes and I don't move any part of my body (except from my eyes. Is that okay?)
Moving your eyes is not OK and will prevent projection. Not moving your eyes is one of the most difficult things to master in the first few weeks of getting into the discipline. Moving them will prevent going into a F12 state.

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4. Sometimes I feel, especially my legs, but sometimes my hands too, like they are thrown away. Some other times I just don't feel anything, except from sting sensations.
I feel that at part N.4 I lose it. I just don't know what to think, what to do. The things I think about at this part, are that I fly e.t.c. I don't know what else to think about.
Just lay there and daydream, keep coming back every so often, but try to remain counscious, keep getting lost in your thoughts but keep coming back. Continuously remind yourself of your intent to phase. I repeat, DO NOT DO THIS BEFORE GOING TO BED IT WILL NOT WORK THEN. DO ONLY DROWSY EXITS  :-D

Ok, GL.  :-)

Cheers,
Contenteo




Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: NoY on June 29, 2012, 16:05:06
good to see you are still trying George don't loose heart

read this short post it might help you come at it from a different angle
http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_spiritual_evolution/you_dont_need_to_meditate-t37540.0.html

let us know how you get on

:NoY:


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: bigzeke on June 29, 2012, 21:46:36
Keep going George,

I am/was in the same boat as you.

I give my full whole hearted effort almost every single time, to no avail, ...or so I thought.

It wasn't until I continued to do a ton of reading, and research, AFTER beginning to try OBE's, that I realized, alot of the things that alot of other folks were pointing out, in their books, videos, things to look for, ...I had been experiencing, and not even putting two and two together to associate that the things happening to me, were actually signs that it was working. Things I took for granted, and remained frustrated.

I am naturally hyper active, so the whole, "body asleep, mind awake" thing for me is very, very easy.

I can lay there, motionless for almost up to an hour, talking to myself, telling myself jokes, anything to keep doing the, "are you awake" checks.

The very first time I took the deep breath, and actually tried to project, about 7 or 8 minutes in, I heard a guy sing in my right ear, like a nut, for like 2 seconds. It wasn't scary, I was so focused that I forgot to let it scare me, and if I were a betting man, Id bet he was trying to get me to laugh, not scare me. And can you believe, I didn't associate that with anything?! Are you kidding me, but, I didn't, until I keep researching, and found out, stuff like that will happen, when your barking up the right tree.

And get this one, I have had, like, three separate episodes, where by, I'm lying there for quite some time, nothing happening, and just before I allow frustration to set in, and call it quits for the night, I got, what I can only explain as, a single blast, as if administered from a Defibrillator, (those shock paddles in Ambulances). Talk about, "...what the hell was that??!!"

And once again, can you believe, I brushed it off thinking that maybe I had dozed off to sleep, and just had a startling awaking moment, until I read some of Robert Bruce's teachings that describe just such an occurrence.

So, alot of what you think, as being a whole bunch of nothing, can most likely be, a whole bunch of something.

Its all in how bad you want it, ...don't give up buddy, trust me.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on July 03, 2012, 13:45:36
Nothing special. I just wanted to share this with you.

Today, I had to get up early to go out for a job. When I came back home, I was very tired and I lay down. This is the point where all the fun starts. I'm not sure if that was actually a dream or a "real" event. After some time of trying to obe, I told to myself "ok, go to get some sleep now", but, I think that while I was trying to sleep, I've seen someone, talking to me in english (english is not my main language). I was somewhere and he was in front of me. He was telling me to put my eyes in his "machine" (He's machine had a spot to put your head, more specially, yours eyes and it was green coloured.). When I did it, I felt my body to, actually, slip from my bed. It was like my bed was on a downhill. Some time later, I opened my eyes in order to see if I was out of my body and, if I remember right, my room wasn't like it is in real life. But, anyway. I don't even know if this was real.  :-D

By the way, thanks for your kind posts.  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Barnowl on July 03, 2012, 14:24:40
I think don't give up.  
Keep listening to the binaural beats and do whatever technique you are using and just completely relax into any sensations you are experiencing(lose all your worries but don't go to sleep).  If you feel something, try to keep being as a passive observer and don't feel fear or over-excitement.

I agree. Don't give up, but don't over do it either. All of mine have been in the morning, when I woken up, and felt vibrations. None of mine happened intentionally (which is a bit annoying, although I came very close, very recently)

Trick is to find a method which comes easy to you, and stick to it.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on July 03, 2012, 20:07:42
Thank you very much for your post Barnowl. I dont over do it. I just dont have (I hope "yet") the desired result.
Oh, and the "story" above your post, is real. It happened to me, Im not kidding you or trolling you. I'm telling this 'cause it's a "strange" story.  :-D


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: David Warner on July 05, 2012, 05:54:29
It's not that I do not try David. I just don't have the same desire as I had in the first months of my tryings. I think that I'm a bit tired from all of this.

George,

I know you are excited about bringing fourth an OBE and experiencing it. If you are getting tired and don't have those same desires then take a break from it. Enjoy physical world around you! Don't have to completely forget about OBE, read up on people's experiences, near death experiences and most of all focus on (enjoy) getting there vs. burning yourself out which sounds like what is happening.

You won't succeed and will just become more frustrated. Sometimes you just have to take a step back, get a breathier and clarity of mind.

I think in time if you keep at it and don't expect it to happen, it will. Let go, relax, and have one goal/intent set to get you out of body. Don't focus on nothing else except that intent and goal!

Hope this helps.

Dave



Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on August 09, 2012, 00:42:59
Hello again!

For one more time, I have a question.
Is it normal, that now I can't have vibrations? I don't know what happened, but the past 2-3 months, I did not experienced any vibration.
I couldn't have an OBE, but I just wanted to ask if this is okay.

I don't know if that has to do with not having vibrations, but the last times I had, they happened every time I was meditating and I was hearing an unexpected noise that disturbed me, such as someone in the house opened a door e.t.c. (which was something that was scaring me)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on August 09, 2012, 00:44:59
Hello again!

For one more time, I have a question.
Is it normal, that now I can't have vibrations? I don't know what happened, but the past 2-3 months, I did not experienced any vibration.
I couldn't have an OBE, but I just wanted to ask if this is okay.

I don't know if that has to do with not having vibrations, but the last times I had, they happened every time I was meditating and I was hearing an unexpected noise that disturbed me, such as someone in the house opened a door e.t.c. (which was something that was scaring me)
Allow me to put it this way...

There's nothing you can or can't experience that isn't normal.  :)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on August 09, 2012, 01:05:00
Allow me to put it this way...

There's nothing you can or can't experience that isn't normal.  :)

Thank you very much for your response Xanth.  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: todd421757 on August 09, 2012, 01:41:21
Is it normal, that now I can't have vibrations? I don't know what happened, but the past 2-3 months, I did not experienced any vibration.
I couldn't have an OBE, but I just wanted to ask if this is okay.

I believe it is a loss of will intensity that causes many projectionists to lose the ability to manipulate energy in their energy bodies. If you can get back your ability to feel energy, then you should be able to eventually have a classic OBE.

If you are not able to feel energy anymore, then you should focus on lucid dreaming techniques instead.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Bedeekin on August 09, 2012, 02:20:27
Have you had a change in sleep pattern George? A job or something that's causing you to be tired or are you staying up really late... that sort of thing?


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on August 09, 2012, 03:07:07
I believe it is a loss of will intensity that causes many projectionists to lose the ability to manipulate energy in their energy bodies. If you can get back your ability to feel energy, then you should be able to eventually have a classic OBE.

If you are not able to feel energy anymore, then you should focus on lucid dreaming techniques instead.

I think that this is my problem todd.

Also, I'm trying to have a lucid dream, but I didn't have one yet.

A job or something that's causing you to be tired or are you staying up really late... that sort of thing?

Hmm, not sure. Im sleeping the same time like in the past and I'm not getting so tired.


Thank you for your kind answers  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on August 09, 2012, 03:20:06
I think that this is my problem todd.

Also, I'm trying to have a lucid dream, but I didn't have one yet.
It's not your problem.

Vibrations aren't something you "require" in order to project.

What you need to do is stop worrying about what you think you need... and just project with whatever you get.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on October 22, 2012, 19:56:03
After sooooo much time, hello again!  :-)

Yesterday, I think that I had a... "semi"-exit.

I had to try to OBE for 2-3, or maybe more, months because I can't find time to try nowadays and when I have some I'm so exhausted that I fall asleep, but yesterday, while I was sleeping I ...woke up. The first thing I remember seeing was me, lying in a room of my house. Everything was in a blue tint. I felt like I was getting out of my body. I was telling me "push, push forward" and every time I was thinking this, I was getting more and more "out of my body", but, suddenly, I told to myself "OK, stop now. Go to get some sleep again" and then I opened my eyes and it was like I got from one place to another. I felt like that I have been "teleported".

Do you think that it was some kind of "exit" or it was just my imagination-dream?

Thanks!


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: NoY on October 22, 2012, 20:43:54
it does sound like your getting somewhere now well done keep it up  :wink:

:NoY:


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on January 08, 2013, 00:05:18
After many months, hello again!  :-D

I still didnt have any success and I found this: http://store.sleepwithremee.com/
Does anyone of you know if this product actually works?

Thanks in advance!  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on January 09, 2013, 01:59:12
After many months, hello again!  :-D

I still didnt have any success and I found this: http://store.sleepwithremee.com/
Does anyone of you know if this product actually works?

Thanks in advance!  :-)
Probably not.

Save your money... and keep practicing.

You'll figure it out on your own eventually.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Astralsuzy on January 09, 2013, 04:48:13
I agree with Xanth.  Practice meditating and tell yourself everyday that you can ap as long as it takes.  Everyone else can so you can too.  Keep saying it even if you do not ap.  When you have not ap or have not ap in a long time, you start to think you cannot ap.  If you think you cannot ap, ap becomes a lot harder to do.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on January 12, 2013, 09:52:05
OK! Thanks for your opinion Xanth and Astralsuzy.  :-)

And for today, I have good news.  :-D

3 days ago, I watched this video on how to relax: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_frSh_EQU8
I did what it says and laid on my bed. I quickly fall asleep but after some time my eyes opened and started to blink. As they were blinking the room was turning blue so... I could see in the dark! My ears started to make buzzing noises and at my left ear I felt that someone was talking to me. Then, I felt that I was getting out but I got scared of listening to my left ear and open my eyes. Then, the room turned black again and my body was heavy.

Oh! And something I forgot to mention. While I was on my bed, before trying to AP I told "Tonight you are going to have a lucid dream!" and... voila! Haha.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Astralsuzy on January 12, 2013, 18:43:44
That is really good to hear.  I am glad it is working for you.  It is a shame you got scared.  The more experience you get the easier it will get for you.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on January 13, 2013, 06:02:19
Yup, that's an excellent start.

Just work on focusing on relaxing 100%... the more you focus on that, the more your attention will be drawn away from the physical.  :)

That's all projection is: focusing away from the physical.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: M4RT1N on January 13, 2013, 22:01:22
Yup, that's an excellent start.

Just work on focusing on relaxing 100%... the more you focus on that, the more your attention will be drawn away from the physical.  :)

That's all projection is: focusing away from the physical.

what do you mean by focusing on relaxing, if i focus on my body relaxing then i am paying attention to the physical.

also if i just keep repeating one word and don't do anything else is that a good way to reach SP ?


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on January 13, 2013, 22:50:03
what do you mean by focusing on relaxing, if i focus on my body relaxing then i am paying attention to the physical.

I know this is going to sound strange and counter productive... and you might not even understand what I mean, BUT...

Focus on relaxing, and not focus on relaxing the body. 

Quote
also if i just keep repeating one word and don't do anything else is that a good way to reach SP ?
Sure, that's fine.  You just need to focus completely on that act.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Lionheart on January 13, 2013, 22:56:23
what do you mean by focusing on relaxing, if i focus on my body relaxing then i am paying attention to the physical.

also if i just keep repeating one word and don't do anything else is that a good way to reach SP ?
Progressive Relaxation is the act of relaxing the physical body.

 When you turn inner, you relax everything else! 

 You turn inner when you lose all focus on your physical body.

 A Mantra is a great "tool" to help you turn inner.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Xanth on January 14, 2013, 00:13:04
Progressive Relaxation is the act of relaxing the physical body.

 When you turn inner, you relax everything else! 

 You turn inner when you lose all focus on your physical body.

 A Mantra is a great "tool" to help you turn inner.
Thank you Lionheart, that's a great way to describe it!  :)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 13, 2013, 19:35:58
I DID IT. Or at least, I think that I did it.  :-D

It was 2 am, yesterday night. I was very tired. I watched TV for 15 mins and then put on the "Auto Close" function to automatically close the TV after one hour. I layed on my stomach and told to my self "tonight you wont try to AP. You will just go to sleep and if you accidentaly AP, it will be just ok. Tonight, you just need to sleep 'cause you are tired." and put my second pillow on my eyes to hide the lightening from the TV. Then I woke up at 2:30 and I realized what happened!

The story:
I "woke" up. It was dark. I remember feeling many vibrations in all of my body and telling myself "OH, ITS HAPPENING! Dont let it go away". Then, I thought "think to elevate" but nothing happened and, tired of having one more failed AP I tried to lift up my body with my hands (like having push-ups, I cant describe it) and then I got up in the air! I was getting higher and higher. Then I tried to "fly"  but I was feeling that I couldn't control my body and it was going where it wanted to go. After some time, I saw a bright light at my "right" eye. Maybe it was the TV? Who knows? The last think I saw, it was me, in a room (probably my room) and many toys around it. Thats the only thing that makes me think that it was a LD.
That was all of it. Then I woke up and my left ear was buzzing.

Do you think it was a AP or a lucid Dream?




Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Astralzombie on March 13, 2013, 19:44:15
This sounds like the real McCoy to me. There is really not much difference between the two IMO. From the length of this thread, it seems like you've been struggling for a while. And when you finally surrendered, it happens!!

LionHeart would be proud.

Congrats. Prepare yourself. Usually knowing that you can actually achieve one, makes it sooooo much easier.
It becomes the difference from believing to just knowing.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 13, 2013, 19:49:37
Thank you very much for your response.  :-)

I hope that I'll have more experiences like this because it seems that it is something wonderful!


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Szaxx on March 13, 2013, 20:07:32
In a LD if you wanted to fly around you would have easily.
Its the real deal, you've tried and tried, the not trying made it happen. It indicates you've tried too hard.
You done it and will do it again. The movements take a bit of getting used to. It's not a physical thing now, its your thoughts that count. Know that you can move around expecting to and you'll be fine.
Enjoy it.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: tryingtoobe on March 13, 2013, 22:33:47
congratulations hopefully i will have same sucsess as you soon


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Lionheart on March 14, 2013, 00:00:23
 Congratulations George!  :-)

 It's amazing how good "reverse psychology" works. "tonight you won't try to AP" told yourself you are ready to experience it.

 Now you just have to learn not to get so excited when it's happening and just ALLOW it occur and see where it leads.

 Except it for what it is and what occurred, don't second guess it!  :wink:

 LD, real time projection, just know that whatever it was, you were fully conscious for it and that deserves a lot of credit!  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on March 16, 2013, 13:18:58
I did it again!  :-D

Basically, the only thing i remember is that I saw me getting out like the other time. I don't remember anything else, only this.

And I did it with the same method as the other time. Layed down, told my self "it would be nice if you AP" and voila.  :-)


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: ChopstickFox on March 16, 2013, 15:15:39
Congratulations! It's amazing what little tweaks to how we think can produce awesome results. In a way it kind of feels like a slap in the face. But a good slap in the face :D


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Astralsuzy on March 16, 2013, 22:04:35
That is great.  I am happy for you.


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: Georgep on December 12, 2017, 21:15:16
    Let me necropost this thread of mine  :-D

    So, some months ago, I have started again the... trip to a successful OBE.

    What I have done so far:
    As I have mentioned many years ago, after some part of my journey, I could not reach the "vibrational stage". I really don't know the reason. I couldn't and I still can't.
    I know that vibrations are not necessary, but just a sign, so, let's affirm that this is okay.

    All these past months, I've been trying to have an OBE with:
  • the "just relaxing-just sitting there" method. Sitting still, trying not to think (that's difficult to me :) ), not swallowing e.t.c. e.t.c.
  • listening to binaural beats (I have only used one binaural beat file) - I can say that it helped me reach a relaxation stage very easily (feeling body numb e.t.c.) - but just this
  • phasing. Yes. Phasing. And I think that is the only method that it will may work for me.

I've used the "phasing method" twice (I know that these are not many tries, but let me describe to you what happens). And I think that it just works. I wasn't able to reach an out-of-body state (or I think that I wasn't) but let me describe you what happens to me when I'm trying this method, and please let me know if you think that it may work.
I'll try to describe some of the things that happen to me while trying this method.

  • I lay down, take some deep breaths and try to relax my whole body
  • After some time, I may feel my body getting numb - careful: only numb. I can still move my arm or head if I want to - I never was able to reach SP. I was always able to move my body if I wanted it.
  • I still sit there, and later my brain will make up some stories (without me trying to induce them - sometimes they are really f***d up... like "how did I thought of that"  :-D) - or I'll see some "bright" waves - or some colors for a second - but the stories always win. Is this my "subconcious thinking"?
  • Now, I may hear something. Oh, okay. It was just some noise from the road, outside. Time to concentrate again to that blackness in front of my eyes. Oh, some f__d_up_stories_made-from-my-brain again.  :-)
  • Still sitting there.
And this happened both of the times that I tried the phasing method:
  • I "wake up", maybe 20-30 minutes later and think of "hey, what happened". I feel my body numb. I'm trying to concentrate to that blackness again.
  • I feel like I'm elevating. But not too much. I just feel that, I'm getting higher for just some inches (maybe 7-8 inches...).

And what I'd like to add to all of the above, is that at my last try, when I "woke up" and thought of "what happened again", I felt like my head was trying to "get out". I can't really describe it.

But I'm still there. Stuck.

What do you think of all this?
What do you may think that I have to "touch up"?

If that "fell asleep and woke up 20-30 minutes later" happens to me again, what do you think that I should do?

Thanks![/list]


Title: Re: I still can't have any OBE
Post by: PhaPriSpa on December 12, 2017, 23:10:53
    Let me necropost this thread of mine  :-D

    So, some months ago, I have started again the... trip to a successful OBE.

    ...

    And what I'd like to add to all of the above, is that at my last try, when I "woke up" and thought of "what happened again", I felt like my head was trying to "get out". I can't really describe it.

    But I'm still there. Stuck.

    What do you think of all this?
    What do you may think that I have to "touch up"?

    If that "fell asleep and woke up 20-30 minutes later" happens to me again, what do you think that I should do?

    Thanks!


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