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Title: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on April 29, 2012, 21:23:17
 This topic will be just for Retrievals. I haven't had the chance to read Bruce Moen's or the Monroe Institutes's information on them. I started having them last year purely by coincidence and we know there is no such thing as coincidence. Nothing makes you feel better inside then experiencing one of these. I have now, including today had 10 of these. One of them I am convinced was to retrieve me. We would love to hear your adventures with this as well. I will start with an incedible one I had today.
 Upon awakening this morning, I went to the bathroom, got a drink of water, then went back to bed. I put out the intent to do a retrieval. So, I closed my eyes and started telling myself over and over again "let's do a retrieval". I just laid there noticing the blackness before my eyes, the blackness then went to the 3D stage and the next thing I knew a dark land mass started to take shape. It was a gloomy area, the land was pure black and in front of me there were pools of red water/lava. I thought it was water or goo because I didn't see or sense heat or smoke coming from them. I walked for a couple of feet, then came across one pool that had an upside down doll in the center of it. I waded through the red goo and got to doll. The doll's head was under the red goo, but the body was coming out, so I pulled the legs and freed it. I then realized this was my task and it was going to be a tough one. I could feel the abuse, the pain that this soul had in it. There was no facial features on the doll at all. No mouth, hair, nose, ears, no clothing, it was totally bare. I stared at the doll and a thought came to my mind, the next thing I know I am in a little girl's room with the doll. I hand the doll to the little girl. She hugs it right away. I sat down with the little girl we will call her Shelly. We decided to rebuild this doll, so we gave her hair first, then beautiful blue eyes with long eyelashes, a nose, ears, then we put a mouth on her and tried to get it to smile, but it wasn't ready for that yet. So, we settled on a slit for the mouth and gave her some cute dimples. Now I am a male, 48 years of age, so this was really difficult for me. Not to the fact of helping, but knowing what to do. The next thing we did is to decide what kind of clothing she would have. Of course Shelly picked a pink tutu with ribbons in her hair. Once we were done with the doll, we created a table, for tea paraties, a giant doll house with all the fixings.
 Shelly loved her new friend, she brushed her hair all the time, had tea parties, slept with her, she treated her like gold. I needed to intensify this effect, so I created scenes where little boys came in and well boys will be boys, so they wanted to mess with her doll, but Shelly would have nothing to do with that. She defended her new friend like an armored guard.
 Finally after what seemed to be months, the doll started to change. First was the eyes, life all of a sudden appeared in them. Then it was the feet, then the legs, body, arms, hands. A twinkle of the nose happened, the ears wiggled, then came the mouth. The slit finally turned into a smile. She then looked at us and said her name was Janice. and it was time to go.
 She then jumped on my back, said good bye to Shelly and we were off. I saw that we were about to land on the "Island", I call it this because this is where all of my Retrievals seem to end up. As usual, people were standing in the streets, as if we were a "parade float" and clapping, We were traversing the path to salvation, I call this walk. The huge white cathedral looking building was just ahead of us. The "Welcoming Committee", I call them, came out see us. We climbed up the stairs to them, they then took hold of Janice's hands and started to walk through the doorway, I think this is some kind of portal. Janice broke free of them, ran back to me and gave me a big hug. Then it was over.
 I want to reiterate again, there is no feeling in this world as good as you feel when you help someone in the Astral or Wider Reality. Today I am floating on cloud nine. My heart feels like it has grown.
 On this site we learn to experience the wider reality. It is time that we try to go further. There are so many lost souls to be found over there. We need more of us to learn how to do this and I feel that learning this is as easy as creating an intent to do it. I do not share a lot of my Phasing sessions here, I have been told that I can help people to experience it, but that what I see is for me, it's personal. But I am allowed to share all the Retrievals I like with all. I would love to hear yours.
 Thank you!
 Lionheart :-)
 
 
 


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Pauli2 on April 30, 2012, 00:52:10
If you look at this link (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/pul_pure_unconditional_love_retrievals-t33529.0.html;msg285254#msg285254), there is my method and some of my retrievals embedded.

Sending PUL or just talking to the person to be retrieved helps a lot. Often you
will know by intuition what to do. I think Ginny (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/profiles/ginny-u1404.html) is one of the best retrievers, so
it could be worth searching for her old posts.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Xanth on April 30, 2012, 01:57:08
Lionheart is a most accomplished Phaser.  He directly experiences the realities he perceives.  :)


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: LightBeam on April 30, 2012, 02:24:27
Great retrieval, Lionheart. I think lost spirits always get assistance from guides, relatives, travelers like us, etc. Those who except help, will be shown the way, and maybe there are those who's negative thoughts and emotions keep them pinned to dark places for a long time.

Here is one of my stories:
From my journal 11/05/05, and this is a post also to another OBE forum on that day. Note! I do make some Halloween remarks, because this happened right after Halloween and I love this day, always go to theme parks to check out the decorations and the scary rides and haunted houses.

"OMG , I have never thought I would experience such thing. I just woke up from this OBE.
I went out and my thought was “ I want to go where I am needed” WARNING! If you guys ever give this command, be prepared starling things to happen. Well, may be not every time and with everyone, but here is what occurred after I did it. Instantly I was sucked by a vacuum going down (I was up in the air). It was like whoosh and I past really fast through few layers of the ground and ended up in a coffin with a skeleton next to me . I was horrified for those two second I spent there. I thought “ Hello, Halloween is over, not a fun joke”. Then I mentally pulled myself out, but while I was flying back I felt something or someone attached to my back. When I got above the ground in the light, I felt release of the pressure from this “ attachment” on me. I turned and I saw an unclear, blurry figure disappearing. I mentally said, “ Wait, who are you?” Then in my mind appeared episodes of an old lady`s final days in the physical world. She was ill for a long time and she knew her end was near. Well, her belief was that after someone dies, he/she will reside in their grave. She thought we were no more than a  physical body and when we die, it is the end.  Somehow after she died and saw her funeral and her body laying in the coffin, her thoughts and beliefs attached her to it and she went straight down where she thought she belonged. Then I mentally wondered ”How come you stayed down there since you were aware that you can still think and exist?”. She responded that she did not realize, and she felt heaviness on her chest and weakness. All she knew was that her body was dead and buried. Of course the belief of her being her body was keeping her in her coffin. I have no idea how long in earthy time she spent there. Maybe not so long, I don`t know, but I am glad she is out finding her true self. Spooky huh? "


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on April 30, 2012, 06:04:40
 Pauli2 Thank you for the link. There was a  lot of useful info to be found there.
 Xanth, thank you for your kind words, I have found that when you make this part of you, you have opened a doorway to discovery. As long as you keep the doorway open, you are opened to new lessons and experiences.
 LightBeam, thank you for sharing, I am shocked that having someone attached to your back after flying out of a coffin wasn't enough to send you back to your physical body.Just being in the coffin is spooky enough. You are definitely a brave woman.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: LightBeam on April 30, 2012, 07:01:18
I am shocked that having someone attached to your back after flying out of a coffin wasn't enough to send you back to your physical body.

It seems like I have programed my consciousness somehow, maybe even by an accident, to be so attuned to the astral once I exit, that sometimes I question if I have died, because I don't return for a long time no matted what extremes I may encounter LOL


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: shineling on April 30, 2012, 15:26:36
Do retrievals last a long time?

It seems to me that a lot of these cases might be like an illness. Maybe like schizophrenia. Someone might come along one day and cheer you up. But the next day it's back at you, gnawing at you and you're back in hell.

Maybe that's how you become a permanent resident of the lower astral levels of the universe. You get sick. And no kind of retrieval ever gets you better... So they're left there.

Gosh, that's scary.  :-o



Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Pauli2 on April 30, 2012, 16:17:37
Do retrievals last a long time?

hmm? My retrievals seldom last more than an hour at the most, usually they are
5 minutes long with floods of impressions, sometimes less than a minute or even
seconds only.

In Earth time regards, it's my impression that retrievals can be prepared from the
other side (by discarnate Helpers) for months or even years.

Perhaps you are wondering 'for how long can people become stuck'? According to
Monroe/Moen they can be stuck for 1000s of years, but not necessarily in "hells"
at all times. Most people seldom are stuck more than a few decades.

Take for example a look at Ultimate Journey, pages 135-137, where a Neanderthal
woman waits for some kind of entity called "Megus".

---

Let me first state that what I've read on the "stuck soul" issue is that most dead
people, according to the Monroe School, never get stuck. Instead they move
on to F 27 after death. It's only a minority that become stuck, some become
stuck alone in F 23 (at very rare occasions a few people may get stuck as a
very small group in F 23). Others may move on to some of the BST levels,
and become stuck there for some time with large groups of people of the
same mind.

(BST = Belief System Territories; Focus 24, Focus 25 and Focus 26)

At the Moen site, some OBE:ers (not me) have got the message from Helpers
that the whole Monroe Focus Level concept is an approximation, the real
division of "regions" in the afterlife are more diverse and complicated,
see for example Frank DeMarco's books (http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_book_reviews/frank_demarco_amp_rita_warren_books-t36194.0.html).

Also, some people may not really get stuck, but they arrive in a state where
they have to work out their internal issues before they can move on to F 27.
Such people don't need retrievals, even if you may encounter them and they
seem to be in a haze.

It's also believed that many of us are doing retrievals in our sleep, but we
seldom remember our dreams, so most people can't know for sure. For
more info on retrievals, you may want to take a look at my link in my
previous post.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on April 30, 2012, 20:53:24
Do retrievals last a long time?
It seems to me that a lot of these cases might be like an illness. Maybe like schizophrenia. Someone might come along one day and cheer you up. But the next day it's back at you, gnawing at you and you're back in hell.
Someone that doesn't understand Astral Travel or Conscious Awareness may label this as an illness or schizophrenia. But people that have experienced it know otherwise. The physical time of a retrieval is minimal, mine are anywhere from 20 minutes to an hour. The Astral time, since there is no time there, could be years. You have to stay the course until the loop is broken or until your subject decides that they wish to move on to another realm. Your duty is to create an environment where THEY come to the realization that it is time to move on. A lot of times they are stuck in their own personal hell. You don't fear it yourself because you understand why you are there and what you are doing. You have to be crafty though, I noticed that the "Wider Reality" is full of puzzles. Nothing comes easy there!


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Volgerle on May 01, 2012, 10:36:13
... we were about to land on the "Island", I call it this because this is where all of my Retrievals seem to end up. As usual, people were standing in the streets, as if we were a "parade float" and clapping, We were traversing the path to salvation, I call this walk. The huge white cathedral looking building was just ahead of us. The "Welcoming Committee", I call them, came out see us. We climbed up the stairs to them, they then took hold of Janice's hands and started to walk through the doorway, I think this is some kind of portal.
Fascinating exeriences. I'm also in training to become a retriever. I did one recently in the astral although it might have been a simulation / training exercise, not sure.
Question: have you been told what area this cathedral island is? What's your conclusion? Is it somewhere in Focus 27? Is the Welcoming Comittee your guides or specialised retriever guides who agreed with you to bring them there so they 'take over' from there? So it is always the same process then?


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on May 01, 2012, 20:50:50
Fascinating exeriences. I'm also in training to become a retriever. I did one recently in the astral although it might have been a simulation / training exercise, not sure.
Question: have you been told what area this cathedral island is? What's your conclusion? Is it somewhere in Focus 27? Is the Welcoming Comittee your guides or specialised retriever guides who agreed with you to bring them there so they 'take over' from there? So it is always the same process then?
I feel that the Cathedral Island may be of my design, the first place I ever arrived when learning to travel was a beautiful beach scene. I used this as my "Safe Zone" or "Launching Pad" whenever I attempted to AP. But, I never had seen the Cathedral Building there or even the "parade route" that I am constantly walking down that leads to the Cathedral Building.
 I don't really know that much about Monroe's Focus 27. I read Frank Kepple's Focus Levels and prefer those.
 The "Retrievers" are always the same, dressed completely in white. Sometimes depending on the severity of the person they will have a stretcher to aide someone having problems walking. This happened during a war scene retrieval I had before.
 Yes, it is always the same once the person climbs on my back, I see the Island from above. I am flying towards it.
 This is my War Retrieval from July 4/2011
 I just finished an afternoon session. I guess I have passed my school stage for now, since I haven't seen anything recently that resembled my school anymore. I thought I would post my new experience here. This was the most incredible thing I have seen or done in the Astral.
 I started my session as normal, just kind of phasing and observing. I imagined seeing beautiful fireworks in the sky, since we are getting close to the 4th of July here in the United States and fireworks are everywhere. I was weird though because due to my ailment I have not gone to see the fireworks live for about 10 or 12 years. They were incredibly vivid. So, I started seeing beautiful colors exploding everywhere, the next thing i knew I was in the middle of a war zone. There were cannons shooting everywhere, bullets flying. I looked over to my right and there was a young man, he was badly wounded and bleeding. I went to him immediately and told him he didn't need to be here. I told him there was a place where there is total peace. I then threw him on my shoulders and flew away. The next thing I know we are in front of this beautiful white building (cathedral like), I walk up a number of steps, but it is tiring. I then remember I can fly, so I fly up to the top of the stairs. There is a platform there, suddenly a number of people converge from inside that building, (I take it they are nurses, they are all dressed in white). They take him off my shoulders and put him on a stretcher, then he is gone.
 Now I am not a soldier and do not like war. This man had to be in his early 20's. He was thin, blonde short curly hair. The thing that was really strange was, I could actually feel a tear going down my face in the physical when I saw him lying there against that rock. After this entire scene played out, I went back to the war zone and disabled a couple of tanks by tying their turrets into nice big bows. This whole scene seemed like I had been there for hours. When I came back to the physical I realized I was only gone 1 hour.
 I know there is a reason that all of us are waking up to the Astral World now. I don't believe in coincidence. I also know that everyone travels in their sleep. But, I believe the people that have been chosen to do this awake is for a reason a bigger purpose. I am not an incredibly spiritual person, but I do believe everything happens for a reason. Whatever it may be, I am honored to be one with this ability.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on May 13, 2012, 06:02:51
 This afternoon I did a Phase Session. I was enjoying a peaceful scene with a gentle wind blowing tall grass in a pasture, the sun was shining, it was beautiful. Then all of a sudden everything fades to the 3D dark zone and I am in some kind of room looking at an open window. It is dark and extremely gloomy in this room. I feel something go past me, look towards the window and see the silhouette of a female standing in the window. It looks like she has jumped. So I run up to the window, look down and there is nothing there but darkness. I then here the door behind me open, I turn to see who it is. I can't see anything hardly anything in this gloomy dakness. After a couple of minutes I feel the silhouette pass by me to the window, jumps and is gone. We go through this cycle of events again and again, so I see that I have to stop this. When the silhouette goes to pass me again I move in the way. Suddenly I can feel it's pain. It is a female, she was badly abused by everything in life in general. This started with coming into life as an accident, this was told to her over and over again by her mother. Her parents totally resented her period. They would let her know this basically all the time. She was seen as a misfit, an outcast by all that knew her, bullied to the max. Somehow I knew I had to change all of this. But, lacked time, because she was only in the room for a couple of minutes before she jumped. First I tried to turn the lights on in the room, but after she entered the room went dark again. I then thought maybe a pet would help, but when she got to the room the dog was dead. Everything that I did to change the atmosphere or situation was immediately reversed when she reentered the room, which happened every 5 or so minutes after she jumped from the window. I tried to talk to her, but she never said a word. I then went to the window with her, grabbed her hand and said I was going to jump too, I was trying to instill guilt in her that she was taking my life as well. That didn't work either, she grabbed my hand and jumped, I went too, but there was nothing to jump down to, it was like an abyss. A couple of minutes of falling and we ended up both walking in the room together. It was like the window led top the outside door of the room. It was really strange. I tried the jumping with her a couple more times, but then started to notice I wasn't feeling too good myself. I was losing my own determination to help her. I was being pulled into her dark reality. When I saw this I knew that drastic measures were needed. I needed help as well to pull this off. She went to the window as usual, jumped and then when she got back to the door of the room and entered I had a surprise for her. I had created everyone that had ever abused her. She stopped immediately in her tracks. I then had everyone there attack her with every negative thing they could say all at once. They had her all backed into a corner, there must have been at least 12 different people in the room. They berated her as badly as they could, she was cringing in the corner, sitting there with her hands on her head trying to block this all out. Finally she blew up and cried "Stop, I can't take this anymore. Take me away from this" One by one her tormentors disappeared, the room started to go light and I took her by the hand walked out of the room, we didn't need the window anymore. Once down at the street level, she climbed on my back and the next thing we saw we were landing at the beach. People were lined up like it was a parade as they usually are here, but there was a vehicle awaiting us. We climbed in, it was a beautiful red Chevy convertable, we stood up on the white seats like we were royalty as everyone on the streets clapped. We then arrived at the most elaborate Hotel I have ever seen, complete with red carpet and everything. This was strange to me because my normal Retrievals had normally ended at a White Cathedral looking building. 2 Bellhops in red came down and opened the door for us, we walked out, up the red carpet to the main door where we were met by a very distinguished looking gentleman and beautiful woman. She looked at me and said her name was Susan and she also thank me, gave me a kiss and hug. Then the gentleman and lady took her by the hand and escorted her into the building.
 This Retrieval was very emotional. I didn't want to torment her anymore but knew I had to, that this was the only way to create change. I had been abused as a child myself. When I came out of this Phase session I found my eyes were wet from my own teardrops.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on May 13, 2012, 10:48:42
Hi,
What an experience. To be able to do the rescue you became part of the loop and then went on to be part of the cause.
Thats very clever, Im glad you succeeded for your own minds sake. You went past the call of duty to save this girl.
My hats off to you.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on May 13, 2012, 22:59:01
 Thank you Szaxx, I was at the point of no return, literally. I was so involved in her dilemma, that I couldn't turn away, even if I had wished at that time. To create her Tormentors to aide me was the hardest thing I have ever done in the Astral. Like I said at the end, I know how bad abuse feels myself. But at that point I had no other choice. Everything I had tried to do to cheer her and create happiness was being reversed. I really liked it that at the end Susan was being treated like Royalty. Which was the exact opposite of her physical experience. Perhaps she was Royalty and wanted to experience the other side of the coin. Who knows!


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on May 13, 2012, 23:31:25
Hi,
Lightbeams warning is really worthy of notice. Take me to where Im needed isnt what you'd expect, its wide open and biting off more than can be chewed comes to mind. You really need to think your plan of action based on your knowledge. Its a feeling of elation when successful as Lion knows from the above experience.
I guess most of the retrievals are a one on one experience. Have you been called to eradicate something bad from a city for example?


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on May 13, 2012, 23:49:38
Hi,
Lightbeams warning is really worthy of notice. Take me to where Im needed isnt what you'd expect, its wide open and biting off more than can be chewed comes to mind. You really need to think your plan of action based on your knowledge. Its a feeling of elation when successful as Lion knows from the above experience.
I guess most of the retrievals are a one on one experience. Have you been called to eradicate something bad from a city for example?

Actually to tell you the truth, there was absolutely no conscious intent on my part to have these occur. Like I say in the first part, I am normally doing something else that I am enjoying, then I am bounced back to the 3D Darkness and the Retrieval begins. In the first part of the Retrieval I am getting acclimated to my new surroundings. I don't really know it's a Retrieval until some kind of event occurs.
 I have to learn a lot more about the one on one thing before I get "promoted" over to the eradicating evil from a city scenario. The one on one Retrievals are taxing enough for now.  :-)


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on May 14, 2012, 00:27:57
Hi,
I wouldn't think promotion is the correct term here. We all have our expertise in our own field. Yours came to you with Susan. I wouldn't have thought the way you did for resolution. It really was an eye opener.
 Eradicating the evil in a city isn't that difficult. When you can read the thoughts of thousands of inhabitants at the same time. They all wanted the same thing. So I helped them. In my way.... The dark ones were sent back to their own homeland and the rift sealed.  I smiled and then left. The place is called New Jerico so I was told. This I was asked if I wanted to do as my services would be appreciated. The two guys, one very tall and slim doing the talking the other watching me. They explained the problem and said I was indeed ready but unaware. Its a first for me of this scale at the time. I couldn't refuse the challenge, would you?
I definately smiled after that one....


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on May 14, 2012, 06:35:23
 This is what I mean by the word Promoted.
Education . to put ahead to the next higher stage or grade of a course or series of classes.
 Ever since I have began this journey I have found that it is like a "school" of sorts. Once you have learned something important you find yourself in the next stage, normally a higher stage or level. This is where a new challenge awaits. I'm sure there is no end to the teachings that can be found in the Wider Reality.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: nikolai on May 21, 2012, 00:06:46
Guys, I'm starting to think that we don't only play a role in retrieving during conscious acting (lucid dreaming, phasing, obe-ing), but they also take place during normal dreams (when we are not lucid, or when we might be semi-lucid).

On number of ocassions I had dreams which were very deviated from a 'normal dream' scenario (I usually record around 8 or so dreams per night at high detail so I know my dreams pretty well (the repeating scenes, themes, emotions, personalities, etc. So when anything happens which is not 'normal' it sticks out immediately)

2 examples of normal dreams come to mind:

One was a dream about a little girl. The entire atmosphere was very grey and dark, it was night time, the girl was standing in the middle of the road (where cars drive, modern time). I approached her with a 'friend' (whoever, I don't recall any detail but the presence) and we told the girl that she will have to come with us now. She said 'But what about mommy (or something like that'. I said to her ''You will see them in time, but not for a while now, you need to simply come with us now''. And she got into our car and we drove off from the scene with her in the back, my 'friend' by my side and I don't remember which one of us was driving.  = Now this is screaming 'retrieval' for me, the girl might have been hit by a car or something, the entire atmosphere is very dark/cold/hazy.

Second example a few nights ago. To cut the long story short, I am sitting in a room, again with a 'friend' being present and I can't see this friend or say anything about them, I simply recall them being there, and I'm in a high storey worn out building, everything in modern time. On the bed next to me is sitting a man in his underpants and he is seriously sad about something. I understand he had an alcoholic problem and he tells me how he screwed everything up in life (he starts telling me about how he messed up his friendship with his brother, etc). At this point I don't know what to do, so I simply put my left hand around him (I'm sitting by his side) and he starts sobbing into me, I feel his sorrow.

Oh, and another example just popped in. This was during a long phase during the day. I was in a place akin to a coffee shop and there was a girl infront of me. Her head had the shape of a TV (in a bit you'l understand why). Around us were 'people' but I could not see them, I simply knew they were there all watching us and listening to me. I don't want to pull out my dream log now, but this is in essence what happened: I was talking to her and I said that I can show her what happened by introducing her to 'them' and that 'they' will explain it to her. What I did next was to focus on her head tv and I flew into the darkness in it. Everything went completely dark. Next thing I know I felt something I never felt before, it was a feeling like I exploded, it was so powerful that it hurt and I started choking in the dream (Like I exploded into millions of pieces in this darkness). It really freaked me out. Then I returned into the coffee shop and continued talking to her. Her head was no longer TV, it was now bandaged all over. Next thing she says is that 'they' explained everything to her. Now I ask her ''Who they? I didn't see anyone? I simply exploded in darkness''. She says that she spoke to ''them''. Then I start to unbandage her head and find out she has like a kind of pipe/nail thing that went into her head. Again, this was a very long phase for me, to cut it short, this girl was seriously insecure about her head as she started telling me that she feels ugly because of her head etc (hence she didn't want to show it to me and projected a TVhead instead), and I then had to reassure her that this was not the case that she was still beautiful and so on.


This brings me onto 3 questions, that I need your thoughts on:

1. Retrievals happen during normal dreams. All my dream logs point strongly in that direction. It points that if people simply log in their dreams and start to get to know their dreams soon enough they will begin to understand which ones could be retrieval dreams. What are your thoughts on this?

2. This brings us onto 2nd point. What other type of 'learning experiences' do we have out there? We know we have one type which we call 'Retrievals' and the aim of that type is to help another soul 'cross over', but what other types exist? Looking at my dream logs there are certainly different themes going on and repeating themselves over and over, with just different scenery and different 'players' in them, but the themes stay the same. I don't know what the themes are pointing towards. Any ideas what else we do in the greater reality?

3. On some phase trips somehow we know how to do things that nobody taught us or that we did not read about in the physical reality (eg: the stuff I do in some of my trips I understand nobody taught me, I simply know 'how' to do it when the moment comes (eg: I fly into people, I use other tricks to keep scenery from fluctuating or to return into previous scene and so on). On other phase trips we feel like we are just like in the physical reality (i.e. we seem to know only what we know and not more of it, this is the majority of my trips I'd say). Has anyone experienced this? What exactly is going on? Can we tap into the 'higher' knowledge and with what tricks?


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Pauli2 on May 21, 2012, 12:49:15
This brings me onto 3 questions, that I need your thoughts on:

1. Retrievals happen during normal dreams. All my dream logs point strongly in that direction. It points that if people simply log in their dreams and start to get to know their dreams soon enough they will begin to understand which ones could be retrieval dreams. What are your thoughts on this?

2. This brings us onto 2nd point. What other type of 'learning experiences' do we have out there? We know we have one type which we call 'Retrievals' and the aim of that type is to help another soul 'cross over', but what other types exist? Looking at my dream logs there are certainly different themes going on and repeating themselves over and over, with just different scenery and different 'players' in them, but the themes stay the same. I don't know what the themes are pointing towards. Any ideas what else we do in the greater reality?

3. On some phase trips somehow we know how to do things that nobody taught us or that we did not read about in the physical reality (eg: the stuff I do in some of my trips I understand nobody taught me, I simply know 'how' to do it when the moment comes (eg: I fly into people, I use other tricks to keep scenery from fluctuating or to return into previous scene and so on). On other phase trips we feel like we are just like in the physical reality (i.e. we seem to know only what we know and not more of it, this is the majority of my trips I'd say). Has anyone experienced this? What exactly is going on? Can we tap into the 'higher' knowledge and with what tricks?

According to Moen and others, the answer to question 1:

1. Yes. In fact Moen is one of the persons preferring to do retrievals in regular dreams.


For your other questions, I don't know any good answers:

2. Express and experience PUL is one thing, but sometimes I get the impression that
such a thing can best be learnt in the physical. Also, according to Monroe, it is most
valuable that we learn physical movement, move our arms, legs etc, because that
ability can later be used in the non-physical. According to Leland/Moen we can
learn to better manipulate and create stuff in the non-physical. But I'm not
sure these are the right answers.


3. This is one delicate subject. I think it is the violation of free will. Monroe mentions
that he went through "lessons" over and over again, until he managed to do the
lesson in a correct way. Each time he had completely forgotten his last time (for
example Far Journeys, pages 103 - 106). The lessons were a way of
knowing if he had developed, I think he guessed. Our actions in retrievals are
sometimes not something we can direct, but is controlled by someone else, in
Monroe speak, our I-There (observed in Monroe's second book, but didn't get
a name until his third and last book).


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Xanth on May 21, 2012, 15:37:23
So what you're saying is that you have access to wider reality in what people here are referring to a "dream"?  Fancy that... ;)

You have access to what you can do in a lucid dream... you have access to what you can do in an astral projection...

Hmmm... kinda sounds to me like they're all one in a same experience then, eh?  :D ;)

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1. Retrievals happen during normal dreams. All my dream logs point strongly in that direction. It points that if people simply log in their dreams and start to get to know their dreams soon enough they will begin to understand which ones could be retrieval dreams. What are your thoughts on this?
Since, to me, dreams are nothing more than astral projections in which you're unaware of... if you can program yourself before going to sleep to achieve a certain goal that night while dreaming, it's really no different than consciously astral projecting in order to attain your chosen goal.  In this case, doing a retrieval.  :)


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Volgerle on May 21, 2012, 16:32:19
I've had dream retrievals (although I sometimes only remember parts of it) and lucid retrieval scenarios who might have been simulations / training sessions. I am not sure if i really 'retrieved' a 'soul'. Could be, though.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: nikolai on May 21, 2012, 17:54:23
Thank you guys, I'l get back to the Moen's books I downloaded but haven't read yet

As I understand there are at least 3 distinct types of interaction that we face within the wider reality (whether it is via normal dreams, ld's, phase, or whatever entry method we use)

1. Retrievals (we help other energy souls to 'cross over' via an interaction with them, for mutual benefit (they benefit) and we grow via such an interaction)
2. Receiving Lessons (we receive lessons, and these I divide into 2 types: 1) lessons in concepts (eg: downloading 'understanding'), 2) lessons in techniques (I recently had an ld where i asked 'it' (i.e. the wider reality) to give me a meaningful experience and the lesson that followed was mostly about how to 'move' within the wider reality, rather than helping anyone or talking to anyone, it was pure skill based lesson - what I learnt was a sensation which I can focus on next time to faciliate the change/manipulation of the scenery)
3. Giving Lessons (I recently spotted a dream where I was giving a lesson to an audience of maybe about 4 'people' about some concept. It was a normal dream, not an ld.

I wonder how many more styles of interaction go on and with exactly what 'kinds' of energies and from which 'systems'.

The 'lesson' style dreams (the ones where we download 'understanding') seem to take a whole different context than a typical 'dream/ld/phase'. I don't know if anyone else noticed this? Its like in those dreams/sessions there is almost no scenery, no objects to look upon, just the entities (not even as 'people' but you just as 'presence') and an information flowing back and forth - like a long detailed conversation.

If you become aware of this as you are falling asleep or waking up, there will be no scenery or anything, just lots of information going back and forth from you towards others, questions and answers and so on. Has anyone else noticed that, or noticed anything different?

I also recently realised that we don't need to phase to request and download 'understanding', we can do it via a creative activity, such as writing, painting, writing poetry. Especially if the mind is relaxed. Simply throwing a question out there and silently waiting for thoughts to appear that would answer it. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesnt. I guess it depends how still the mind is, how experienced the person is. Does anyone else use anything similar to 'download' information?
I guess parallel processing kicks in with this.

Has anyone else noticed something like this in your experiences? Anything else to add?



Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on May 22, 2012, 00:57:36
  Nikolai, you will do fine finding your way in the Wider Reality. You will find that the Retrievals leads to many puzzles, but they also lead to personal healing and understanding. I wanted to do this thread here to help new members to this site see what is possible. You will also find that you are taught many personal things in the Wider Reality and that those things should stay personal to you. I have 2 books full of adventures, I don't share them all here because they are personal to me. I think Retrievals are one of the most unique and fulfilling things that I have experienced in the Astral yet. They occur when you are mentally ready for them and with no warning.
 Good Luck and Safe Travels!  :-)


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on January 10, 2013, 05:14:20
 Yesterday I said to a new member here named APtoVegas "Just wait until you are, can't really say asked, but you find yourself in a Retrieval situation. There's nothing that feels better inside than knowing you actually helped a soul/consciousness that was stuck in some way, shape or form. It leaves you feeling blissful for the next week!  

 I went later and did a Phase Session. I have never explained my format before, so I will give you a quick layout of my process that I log.
                                                                  
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Starting time:5:30 pm
Ending time  :6:27 pm

 Sensations: Vibrating, floating, quite a bit of vivid Hynog. Imagery, pivoting up and down sensation
 Result      :Normally I write them in short form, but right now I am going to do it more in paragraphs.

 A couple of minutes after my prog. relaxation and I am feeling vibrations kicking in to gear. I lie back and create my intent, this time it was to allow what is to happen to happen, with no initiating the destination. I say "By my act of will I realese my focus over my physical body. Please take me to your desired destination. Show me what i need to see. Teach me what i need to Learn".

 Most likely a good 15 minutes go by now and all of a sudden I see a very vivid giant fly looking at me. He is close enough that I can view his extremely strange eyes. Ok, looks like I have passed the fear test, lol. Scene fades to black again.

 Another 5 minutes pass and blackness starts to change. This time for some reason I  had forgotten my intent to not direct the scene and started messing with the visual of using a Yo-Yo. This is when I started experiencing the Yo-Yo sensation. Then I remembered I was supposed to be allowing what happens to happen, so I killed the scene and found myself back in the blackness again.

  Now the blackness was becoming much deeper and now it's starting to create a grey mist. A hole appears, looks like a tunnel. Not a tunnel, it is opening up to a view of my room again. But I am surrounded by hooded/shrouded entities. I watch this scene closely, then I see I am overhead watching from the ceiling. I can see each one has a hand on my body and I am aglow in white light.

 Once again the scene disappears as abruptly as it began. But I am still in the 3d Dark Zone so I keep going, a grey mist starts to materialize again and I see I am in a room. Not mine though. The scene is still developing. I can make out a bed frame, I blast the thought, awareness now and and the scene develops.
 
 Chained to the bed frame at the front of the bed is the form of a naked woman. As I get closer, yep, it's a naked woman alright. She is beautiful. I can see she is handcuffed to the frame. I immediately climb on to the bed to help her and see that her mouth is stitched closed. I create a key from intent and use it to open the handcuffs, they fall to the bed, but she just stays in the same position. She doesn't budge a bit. Her hands are still in the same position they were when I took the cuffs off. This puzzles me. Now I realize I am in a Retrieval. So, next I focus on her sewn lips. I start to take the stitches out, finish look at her again, now her eyes are stitched shut. Ok, what the Hell. Hm, need to think.
 
 Then I start to understand a bit of what has happened. I think ok, speak no evil, see no evil, I take the stitches out of her eyes, fully expecting to hacvce her ears sewn up this time, but find that i am pinned to the bed and she is straddling me. She is grinding against me and now it is really hard to think. But I need to do something quick.

 I look her in her beautiful eyes and say "If we are going to contine this, it is for you only. You are going to feel the pleasure, not me." She then slows her grinding down and I said "Everything I am doing here is for you. I came here to help you. You are the only important one. You are the one I am here for".
 
 She then stopped her grinding all together and climbed off me, walked over to her closet and put on a robe. I then had her sit down on the bed and I told her " she was a slave to everyone in her life and that although it's true that this World was made for other, not self, that we have to make sure we do take care of ourselves. So we can be there to share with others, not be a slave to them.

 She then stood up and I did as well, I grabbed onto her hand and we walked to her door. We left the room, went down some stairs and I saw that there was some kind of giant cabinet at the foot of the stairs. She immediately climbed into a open cabinet drawer. The drawer closed and she was gone.

 Where this drawer led is anyone's guess.

 My experience ended immediately after that drawer closed.
 
 Although the entire adventure was strange, she never said a word the entire time, not a peep.
 
 Now that it's over I question why I never left with her via flying with her and landing at that Island I always find myself at with the parades and the white Cathedral/Hotel or Hospital, which ever one it wanted to be at the time. You'll have to read some of my other Retrievals to understand that part.

 I have a very strong feeling, this woman was either in a coma currently still here on Earth or was somehow Dreaming or something. I don't feel like this woman was Retrieved for a after life purpose. I feel that for some reason that giant cabinet stood for a entrance back to a Physical life. At least this is what resonate in me, doesn't make sense, but a gut feeling tells me I am right.

 Thank You for listening!  :-)


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Volgerle on January 10, 2013, 10:59:08
I have a very strong feeling, this woman was either in a coma currently still here on Earth or was somehow Dreaming or something. I don't feel like this woman was Retrieved for a after life purpose. I feel that for some reason that giant cabinet stood for a entrance back to a Physical life. At least this is what resonate in me, doesn't make sense, but a gut feeling tells me I am right.
I also realised that maybe we should define the framework of 'retrieval' a bit broader. It could also mean helping living people who are stuck in a life situation or seriously sick people (so it's also healing, in a way). I've had a 'retrieval' experience with a former childhood buddy about whom I found out later he's not dead yet but that he is chronically ill, he also lost a lot of weight and that was exactly how I saw him in the helping experience without knowing this before and it was confirmed later (= a little validation if you will).


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on January 10, 2013, 21:14:20
I also realised that maybe we should define the framework of 'retrieval' a bit broader. It could also mean helping living people who are stuck in a life situation or seriously sick people (so it's also healing, in a way). I've had a 'retrieval' experience with a former childhood buddy about whom I found out later he's not dead yet but that he is chronically ill, he also lost a lot of weight and that was exactly how I saw him in the helping experience without knowing this before and it was confirmed later (= a little validation if you will).
I agree with this statement Volgerie. I just couldn't fathom the thought at first that this person could be still alive in this Retrieval. I had never experienced one like that before. But, now that I have, it has broadened my horizons on the term Retrievals.

The spider and the shrouded members surrounding me were likely some kind of fear test.

 I haven't tried to Phase for about a month. For that matter, the whole thing could have been a test. Just to see if I still attained by ability to keep focus, no matter what was going on. You really have to be fully aware to do a Retrieval, you need to keep thinking on your toes. You never really experience the same thing twice, so you have to be quick witted. They can be very challenging at times.

 Thank you for sharing!  :-)


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Amorda on January 12, 2013, 19:00:48
This topic will be just for Retrievals. I haven't had the chance to read Bruce Moen's or the Monroe Institutes's information on them. I started having them last year purely by coincidence and we know there is no such thing as coincidence. Nothing makes you feel better inside then experiencing one of these. I have now, including today had 10 of these. One of them I am convinced was to retrieve me. We would love to hear your adventures with this as well. I will start with an incedible one I had today.
 Upon awakening this morning, I went to the bathroom, got a drink of water, then went back to bed. I put out the intent to do a retrieval. So, I closed my eyes and started telling myself over and over again "let's do a retrieval". I just laid there noticing the blackness before my eyes, the blackness then went to the 3D stage and the next thing I knew a dark land mass started to take shape. It was a gloomy area, the land was pure black and in front of me there were pools of red water/lava. I thought it was water or goo because I didn't see or sense heat or smoke coming from them. I walked for a couple of feet, then came across one pool that had an upside down doll in the center of it. I waded through the red goo and got to doll. The doll's head was under the red goo, but the body was coming out, so I pulled the legs and freed it. I then realized this was my task and it was going to be a tough one. I could feel the abuse, the pain that this soul had in it. There was no facial features on the doll at all. No mouth, hair, nose, ears, no clothing, it was totally bare. I stared at the doll and a thought came to my mind, the next thing I know I am in a little girl's room with the doll. I hand the doll to the little girl. She hugs it right away. I sat down with the little girl we will call her Shelly. We decided to rebuild this doll, so we gave her hair first, then beautiful blue eyes with long eyelashes, a nose, ears, then we put a mouth on her and tried to get it to smile, but it wasn't ready for that yet. So, we settled on a slit for the mouth and gave her some cute dimples. Now I am a male, 48 years of age, so this was really difficult for me. Not to the fact of helping, but knowing what to do. The next thing we did is to decide what kind of clothing she would have. Of course Shelly picked a pink tutu with ribbons in her hair. Once we were done with the doll, we created a table, for tea paraties, a giant doll house with all the fixings.
 Shelly loved her new friend, she brushed her hair all the time, had tea parties, slept with her, she treated her like gold. I needed to intensify this effect, so I created scenes where little boys came in and well boys will be boys, so they wanted to mess with her doll, but Shelly would have nothing to do with that. She defended her new friend like an armored guard.
 Finally after what seemed to be months, the doll started to change. First was the eyes, life all of a sudden appeared in them. Then it was the feet, then the legs, body, arms, hands. A twinkle of the nose happened, the ears wiggled, then came the mouth. The slit finally turned into a smile. She then looked at us and said her name was Janice. and it was time to go.
 She then jumped on my back, said good bye to Shelly and we were off. I saw that we were about to land on the "Island", I call it this because this is where all of my Retrievals seem to end up. As usual, people were standing in the streets, as if we were a "parade float" and clapping, We were traversing the path to salvation, I call this walk. The huge white cathedral looking building was just ahead of us. The "Welcoming Committee", I call them, came out see us. We climbed up the stairs to them, they then took hold of Janice's hands and started to walk through the doorway, I think this is some kind of portal. Janice broke free of them, ran back to me and gave me a big hug. Then it was over.
 I want to reiterate again, there is no feeling in this world as good as you feel when you help someone in the Astral or Wider Reality. Today I am floating on cloud nine. My heart feels like it has grown.
 On this site we learn to experience the wider reality. It is time that we try to go further. There are so many lost souls to be found over there. We need more of us to learn how to do this and I feel that learning this is as easy as creating an intent to do it. I do not share a lot of my Phasing sessions here, I have been told that I can help people to experience it, but that what I see is for me, it's personal. But I am allowed to share all the Retrievals I like with all. I would love to hear yours.
 Thank you!
 Lionheart :-)
 
 
 


Wow, Lion.
That experience sounds quite profound. Very beautiful and changing. You weren't creeped out by the doll at first? You must be brave.
 I came upon your story, from the shadow beings thread. It is interesting that you saw these hooded figures before having this experience. I wonder what they really are. :)
But well done. That was a very nice thing you did.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on January 12, 2013, 22:39:00
 Thank You Amorda!  :-)

 Like I said, I think the Spider and shrouded/hooded entities were kind of a "Welcome back to Phasing" fear test. Just to see how I reacted and if I was ready to move on.

 The Doll in that one Retrieval was freaky and took me by surprise. But I realized I was in an area where almost anything goes per say. I try to prepare myself ahead of time to witness anything that shows itself, but not to react to it too much as that would end the scenario.

 This technique here helps with that immensely:  http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/practice_but_practice_what-t39372.0.html

 You stay with whatever vision shows itself to you, no matter how strange it is. You ALLOW it to develop and then let your curiosity boost your awareness!  :-)


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on January 12, 2013, 23:10:18
The comment on some of the people being 'helped' could still be alive just reminded me of an experience while cycling to work
I posted an experience recently where I helped several young people into a safe location from a derelict abode where they were trying to survive. The place was made from streets that I knew just jumbled up somewhat.
In this experience one young girl in particular did most of the communicating.
I saw her waiting outside the local school gates one morning last week. An absolute double. She looked at me and smiled the same smile I saw in the experience. It caught me by surprise. I smiled back very tempted to see if she was named Olivia. I didn't though, the smile was enough.
Very strange...


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Amorda on January 13, 2013, 00:28:38
I feel that the Cathedral Island may be of my design, the first place I ever arrived when learning to travel was a beautiful beach scene. I used this as my "Safe Zone" or "Launching Pad" whenever I attempted to AP. But, I never had seen the Cathedral Building there or even the "parade route" that I am constantly walking down that leads to the Cathedral Building.
 I don't really know that much about Monroe's Focus 27. I read Frank Kepple's Focus Levels and prefer those.
 The "Retrievers" are always the same, dressed completely in white. Sometimes depending on the severity of the person they will have a stretcher to aide someone having problems walking. This happened during a war scene retrieval I had before.
 Yes, it is always the same once the person climbs on my back, I see the Island from above. I am flying towards it.
 This is my War Retrieval from July 4/2011
 I just finished an afternoon session. I guess I have passed my school stage for now, since I haven't seen anything recently that resembled my school anymore. I thought I would post my new experience here. This was the most incredible thing I have seen or done in the Astral.
 I started my session as normal, just kind of phasing and observing. I imagined seeing beautiful fireworks in the sky, since we are getting close to the 4th of July here in the United States and fireworks are everywhere. I was weird though because due to my ailment I have not gone to see the fireworks live for about 10 or 12 years. They were incredibly vivid. So, I started seeing beautiful colors exploding everywhere, the next thing i knew I was in the middle of a war zone. There were cannons shooting everywhere, bullets flying. I looked over to my right and there was a young man, he was badly wounded and bleeding. I went to him immediately and told him he didn't need to be here. I told him there was a place where there is total peace. I then threw him on my shoulders and flew away. The next thing I know we are in front of this beautiful white building (cathedral like), I walk up a number of steps, but it is tiring. I then remember I can fly, so I fly up to the top of the stairs. There is a platform there, suddenly a number of people converge from inside that building, (I take it they are nurses, they are all dressed in white). They take him off my shoulders and put him on a stretcher, then he is gone.
 Now I am not a soldier and do not like war. This man had to be in his early 20's. He was thin, blonde short curly hair. The thing that was really strange was, I could actually feel a tear going down my face in the physical when I saw him lying there against that rock. After this entire scene played out, I went back to the war zone and disabled a couple of tanks by tying their turrets into nice big bows. This whole scene seemed like I had been there for hours. When I came back to the physical I realized I was only gone 1 hour.
 I know there is a reason that all of us are waking up to the Astral World now. I don't believe in coincidence. I also know that everyone travels in their sleep. But, I believe the people that have been chosen to do this awake is for a reason a bigger purpose. I am not an incredibly spiritual person, but I do believe everything happens for a reason. Whatever it may be, I am honored to be one with this ability.




I think I have seen this cathedral!!!!! Tall white steeple in design. The inside is dark with lots of stained glass. I also recall seeing an alter in the middle of the room. :) This was something I saw wayyyyyy back when I jest started practicing.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: majour ka on January 13, 2013, 03:34:50
It seems like I have programed my consciousness somehow, maybe even by an accident, to be so attuned to the astral once I exit, that sometimes I question if I have died, because I don't return for a long time no matted what extremes I may encounter LOL
Ive thought I might have died before during AP especially when I had one in hospital! LOL

I have also been in the position where I decided I wasn't coming back, but I was told to and made to LOL


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: majour ka on January 13, 2013, 03:37:12
Amazing experiences Lion Heart, nice share, blessings.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: spirited away on January 15, 2013, 21:07:27
I have yet to do a retrieval but its definitely something I'm open to in the future.  One of my very first experience in the astral may have been a retrieval.  I found myself out of my body and met with two guides by my bed. One of the guide began telling about an third entity approaching my room.  It was an orb circling my room. I was told it was a man that had committed suicide.  At that point I was ready to jam! lol  I had wonder why this orb was there and why the guides there also.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on January 15, 2013, 22:14:03
I have yet to do a retrieval but its definitely something I'm open to in the future.
That's all you have to say. I'm sure your words have been heard!  :-)

 Just ask and you shall receive!  :-)


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on May 21, 2013, 07:34:01
 I have been keeping many of my Retrieval scenarios to myself for quite a while now, but this one is the most bizarre and involves an entire community or perhaps another civilization. I haven't quite figured it out yet.

 It happened last weekend while I was staying a Motel, while away doing a Renaissance Faire.

 I awoke and found myself with 100% conscious awareness in a Lucid Dream. I have had many Retrievals from a waking consciousness awareness, while Phasing, but my most unique ones seem to come from awaking in a Dream.

 In this one I was a visitor to a unique civilization that was being rules by a powerful King. He was a ruthless King to boot. He constantly set his people up with all kinds of challenges, knowing they would fail. That was basically his form of entertainment.

 I could see that the body I was using at the time was incredibly huge, as in muscular, almost Herculean.

This King had a huge machine that everyone knew about. This machine was a test of sorts, but if anyone could dismantle this machine, then it would free everyone on the planet from this oppressor's grip. He built it with many levels, almost layers of tests.

 Many people tried to dismantle it, but failed, to this King's liking. The layers challenged a person in every way you could challenge someone. But, all the people that attempted never even put a dent into the machine. Once an attempt stopped, the machine would restore itself to the very beginning again and the person that attempted to destroy it, would like either perish or live their lives with the failure of not being able to do it.

 I came into this area and made many friends. These were great fun loving people.

 One day, I bore witness to this King's lust for disorder and destruction. It was in some kind of Casino or gaming room and he was having people lashed with barbed wire for his entertainment. I couldn't believe it, he forced the people of his community to witness this as well.

 He traveled all over his planet and just played with people and their lives, emotions etc.

 Well, what I saw in that casino sickened me. Then the next day he was performing public torture sessions in the cities or town's square. One thing I found is it was really hard for me to discern just how big this place was. Was it a town, a community, a city a plant? It was huge and it had a large population, that's all I could tell for sure.

 After witnessing days and days of this torture I said I have seen enough and decided to act.

 I immediately went to the machine and began to dismantle it. The machine or metal box looked to be about 10 ft high by 8 ft wide. I figured it can't be that hard to destroy. So I began taking pieces of sheet metal off  of it in layers. For every layer I took off, two more mysteriously replaced it. This went on for hours and I still didn't even make a dent in it.

 A small group of people was beginning to take notice and surrounded me. I kept to the task though. Hours later I started to see that for each layer I took off, only one would grow back. I could see also that the King had spotters watching  me and my very small progress.

 A few of the people watching would go periodically and grab me some food and drinks. But I stayed at the task at hand.

 Finally after what seemed like two days of constant struggle dismantling the machine I finally came to the point where I could take a layer off and nothing replaced it.

 I also noticed that the crowd had grown much larger now. People seemed to be showing more emotion and faith that maybe, just maybe someone could finally break through the barriers.

 Now, I finally got to the core of the machine. This is when the challenge changed from physical muscle abilities to mental tests.

 A screen had opened up on the machines face and I was challenged with word problems, math problems etc. Now, I am not the most intelligent person around and these problems were a bit more than I could solve myself. But one by one, different members of the crowd would approach me and help me solve the problems. They could do this because these problems had something to do with their current profession in the King's kingdom.

 We went through this for a couple of days. Now the crowd was enormous, every time we solved another problem or equation, they roared with applause.

 Finally we got through this level of challenges, then I got to find the next level of the machine. This level had to do with emotion.

 The King was now there and he seemed to be enjoying this all. He had an army of men there as well.

 His men grabbed 5 of the spectators and put a gun to their heads. The King then asked me if I wish to go any further. If I did, that meant  that these 5 people would be poisoned with a lethal poison and that I had 2 hours to find the antidote. I agreed and his men poisoned the 5 people, I then set the cure.

 I returned back about a while later with the cure. I had to go hunting a deadly animal barehanded, kill it and then extract the antidote. I definitely was not enjoying this part of the challenge, but I need to help these people at all costs.

 Then I woke up. All day long this problem plagued me. Could I do this any longer? Did I want to back into this scene again? I knew that this King's thirst for torture was high. But what was he going to do next?

 Well, that night, I awoke in the same scenario, luckily I was close to where I had left off. I did have to replay a bit of what I did, but I knew how to handle it, because I lived it the day before.

 His thirst for torture was savage and he kept using innocent members of the crowd as his targets. But, I found that I now immediately awaken for real, once I have completed one task.

 This began 4 nights ago and now I am on my 3rd night of challenges.

 I will see it through. Reading this you are liking saying. Why don't you just kill the King or end it in another way, since thought = action.

 My answer is because I have to "play the game" per say as it's supposed to. I have tried to just end it quickly and found myself back in it immediately again.

 This shows me there a rules. I just don't know how far I can go. This King will stop at nothing to keep me from freeing these people.

 I have a feeling that Szaxx and a few of the other members here have been challenged similar to this as well.

 Szaxx you have told me in the past to wait until you finally begin doing Retrievals on large groups. Well I am now there and am seeing that this is indeed a whole new level.

 Thank You.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on May 21, 2013, 13:03:55
You're welcome,
Things progress far more than this too. I'll not spoil the fun too much.
This one sounds typical. You've so many things to do and get in rhe correct order too. Nothing can be missed or you will not get past the set challenge.
The poison test is so familiar, you had 2 hours. Imagine if they were young children and only 1 hour, these get more intense and the odds are stacked against you.
I can wager a large sum that time is so precious a commodity, you don't have enough and this plays on your mind too. A distraction we live with in this physical so we can work with it readily.
You have attained the trust of the people. That is an absolutely massive advantage. You will not see it and I can't interfere with the quest. It will come exactly when you need it. Youll understand later if not already clear.
The king, show no bad feelings, understand his actions as an illness. Anything negative is doubled, you've took the machine to pieces with some doubt, not good as you found out. As you continued irrespective of the apparent actions resulting from your attempt to dismantle it. Your mindset changed. Remember the change, its so subtle, use this as the king can't see it in you.
The kings intimidation failed as you took the distraction of barehand combat, the poison was to work on your mind. Think very carefully on your physical reality. You were supposed to fail with the tactile action.
If you stop this you'll also stop some aspect of self. Carry on and win.
I can't get involved yet, it's your battle.

They are a different kettle of fish. These do awaken something in you that you never knew was there. Its the juniors playground at present by the way. The seniors is another level totally, don't worry though, this transformation is far harder for one reason. Unfortunately you have to work it out.

Congrats for getting this  far successfully.



Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on May 21, 2013, 22:00:18
 Thank You for your reply Szaxx!  :-)

 I had a feeling you would understand what I was talking about.

 Just hearing your opinion and advice makes a difference.

 I can see this adventure/quest is going to take a long time before it comes to a finale.

 Last night I was shown bit and pieces of the challenge ahead. I was not taking on the machine in a physical sense.

 I was shown how it came to be and watched as others failed the task.

 But I shall see it through!  :wink:


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Mendel on May 22, 2013, 03:56:29
Lionheart: Thanks for sharing this latest experience. I've never seen anything quite like this. I have experienced some powerful and crafty astral entities holding back large groups of energy fragments (personalities) from returning Home by convincing them that they are already in "Heaven." Some of them are powerful enough to essentially trap me for several days. Best of luck breaking through and helping out the natives.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on May 22, 2013, 06:00:55
 Thank You Mendel or should I say Michael!  :-)

 I really enjoy your songs, they are a great inspiration.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on May 22, 2013, 06:48:29
The machine is everything.
I want you to find exactly what I mean.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on June 18, 2013, 00:00:15
 I posted this in a recent LD thread created by Lightbeam and felt it suited this thread as well.

 I have found out myself lately that Retrievals are not necessarily achieved completely in one night.

 When I first started having them, they were solved quickly. One night's LD or one Phase Session was all it took.

 Now I am experiencing them, but it takes several nights to "fix" or "find" a solution to said problem.

 I am currently on night 12 of a very challenging one myself.

 At first I had to bear witness to the entire problem. After viewing it for days on end, I was then ALLOWED to interact with it.

 I am patient, so I will do what I must to see this through.

 The more you learn, the more you find you are being challenged even further.

 Hmm, that sounds just like it is in this Physical Reality as well. Figure that, lol!  :-D


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: enlightnd on June 26, 2013, 02:15:42
Was this the start of a retrieval ?

So iv never done one before, But I'm SUPER keen and iv been reading a lot about them on here lately so its fresh in my mind.

Ill try not to go into too much detail  :-P

This morning i was attempting to have an Obee, As soon as i gave up and rolled over it appeared i had just phased to a large one story old type house.

There was a huge long room at the end of the house with around 15 beds set all the way along with french door like windows to outside all the way along it,
I strolled down past the beds and veered left and found another hallway with some large rooms set off to the sides, I instantly got pulled towards the one on the right and had the knowing this is the room i need to enter to start my voyage on my retrieval.

I also had another instant thought like message and it said to me "Only enter this room once" ...? This really intrigued me now and i just NEW this is where i needed to go, So in i went cautiously at the start as it was very cluttered filled with bookshelf's and old tables and trinkets (This room especially, But the entire house had a very vintage old cottage style to it).

As i walked further into the room i noticed a small figure standing of an old lady but it looked to be a fake stuffed life size doll, As i got within a few feet it awoke and i was shown her true identity, She suddenly turned very real and walked to her desk.

She was a witch.. I found this funny but kept going with it, She was a very small lady with your text book witch like appearance, She said welcome, And i said hi how are you? She didn't really reply she was very limited to her words.. It was kind of strange. But anyways i had to pay her so i gave her an Australian 5 dollar note, She excepted and gave me 3 token like chips, They almost looked like poker chips.

I said thank you and have a nice day, She replied you must go and pointed but wasn't rude about it, Just limited to her wording again, I understood and gave her the thumbs up :lol:

I walked out the room and went down the hallway and had a knowing that i needed to ask "Take me to where i need to go" to start this voyage.

I was about to say it but i just wanted to have quick look in a few other rooms as this place was really cool! There was so much vintage stuff everywhere!

I went in to a small room it was very vibrant and had some indoor plants and cool paintings and lamp shades, I started to read all the writing on this one Japanese scroll like thing hanging on the wall, It was all so interesting and was VERY clear and focused, I was having a blast! Hah :-D

But i new i should probably go and start this retrieval that i was meant to be doing, Well this is the slight knowing i had, Im pretty certain i was about to set off to help someone but suddenly i lost my grip on the reality and woke up .. :(

I was bummed! But i managed to get back but appeared in a new room but new i was still in the same house, I felt i had to get back to the witch so i asked "Take me back to the witches room". (This was cool) I started to float up and went only just through the ceiling and into a void i guess you would call it full of electricity like photons.. ? It was all buzzing and looked like dense electric strikes but they were blue, Very strange never experienced this in the astral.

Almost looked like a game of some sort where you would die then it would put all the photons back together and phase you back to life somewhere, It then moved me slightly over to the right i could see the top of the room i just left in my peripheral.

I smoothly floated down ever so nicely and i was just outside the witches room whom gave me the tokens, I watched her from the outside with someone else but had the knowing not to enter the room as i was told before only to enter once. I felt i should just enjoy this experience anyways and cruised around a few other rooms but it didn't last too much longer and woke up again.

So. Im guessing this was going to be a retrieval ? Is this how it can start ?

Im pretty devastated that i didn't get to pursue it or that i didn't do it straight away, But exited that maybe ill get to start from where i left next time..? Or have i missed the boat..?

Iv been having trouble to hold onto my Obee's lately.. I REALLY need help grounding myself when there, They always end way too quick :(

Cheers for reading.






Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on June 26, 2013, 02:25:47
 It sounds like the onset of a Retrieval.

 But even if it wasn't, it's still a fantastic NPR experience.

 You have the right intent, so favorable results will follow.

 When I first had mine, I didn't even know it was Retrieval or for that fact, I didn't even know what a Retrieval was.

 I was just in my learning mode and that's one of the things I was taught.

 Mind you, I still haven't left that "learning mode" yet. I see anew almost every time I Phase or LD.

 


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Astralzombie on June 26, 2013, 03:47:02
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Was this the start of a retrieval ?

So iv never done one before, But I'm SUPER keen and iv been reading a lot about them on here lately so its fresh in my mind.

This is how it started for me. I read about the retrievals that others had and was a bit envious to be honest. The idea of helping someone like this just instantly resonated with me and I wanted to help.

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Im pretty devastated that i didn't get to pursue it or that i didn't do it straight away, But exited that maybe ill get to start from where i left next time..? Or have i missed the boat..?

I'm inclined to believe that this probably was the start of a retrieval. Not because of anything in particular but more so because our intuition during OOBE are exceptional. So I would trust your gut feeling. On the other hand, we can be completely misled even in the presence of a guide if they believe there is a more valuable lesson.

Some retrievals can take many experiences to figure out while others can be done almost instantly. I believe we are chosen specifically for what we can personally bring to the table. Someone else may have done hundreds of retrievals yet they may not have the particular insight that you have to offer and therefore you may be more properly suited.

Don't waste time feeling devastated. Like our resident retriever expert Szaxx always says, "Failure is not an option." If this truly is a retrieval, you will return and get the job done. It can be difficult for others to figure this out for you since you were the one chosen to get it done based on what you have to offer. But please share more with us. Success is elating and I'm a junkie for these!



Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Bedeekin on June 26, 2013, 03:54:01
I have never yet experienced a retrieval in 30 years. it's not a problem.. I just can't take part in these threads and feel a little left out.  :lol:

My true function in this evades me... yet I am happy nonetheless :-D


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Astralzombie on June 26, 2013, 06:11:17
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I have never yet experienced a retrieval in 30 years. it's not a problem.. I just can't take part in these threads and feel a little left out.  cheesy

My true function in this evades me... yet I am happy nonetheless grin

I have never met someone whom I love and has past that wasn't just a thought form of mine. One of my best friends died about two years ago and many people rumored that it was suicide. At the time I believed this was very damning and I was consumed for months with trying to contact him but to no avail.

I think there are several reasons why I never did reach him, a couple being that he may not have wanted me to and another is that I may have had the wrong intentions but I don't feel this is so with some others that I wanted to reach.

The experience that you wrote about when you saw your mother was one of the most touching since I am a mama's boy.

Another experience that I have always wanted but have yet to have is a meeting with God/Source/Creator.

We don't always get what we want but if we try, sometimes we get what we need. Thank You Mr. Jagger.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: enlightnd on June 26, 2013, 10:03:56
Thanks Lion :)

@ its_all_bad - I was the same very envious of others doing retrievals, Mainly as you say i really want to help people, And what a fun way to go about it!

Plus there would be nothing worse than being stuck somewhere! Whether in the NPR or in our physical reality, I would hope that someone would help me so i want to help the others!

I too believe it was the start of a retrieval, Like you say the intuition side let me no, I new what was about to happen.

Love that about the NP, The knowing is ever so great!

Whether it be a lesson or a retrieval I'm ready and cant wait to get stuck in, As fun as roaming around in the NPR is i REALLY would rather help, Learn, And Grow from my experiences.

Thanks for the kind words people, I no ill be back soon and ill be sure to share my experiences :)






Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on June 26, 2013, 10:13:53
Was this the start of a retrieval ?

So iv never done one before, But I'm SUPER keen and iv been reading a lot about them on here lately so its fresh in my mind.

Ill try not to go into too much detail  :-P

This morning i was attempting to have an Obee, As soon as i gave up and rolled over it appeared i had just phased to a large one story old type house.

There was a huge long room at the end of the house with around 15 beds set all the way along with french door like windows to outside all the way along it,
I strolled down past the beds and veered left and found another hallway with some large rooms set off to the sides, I instantly got pulled towards the one on the right and had the knowing this is the room i need to enter to start my voyage on my retrieval.

I also had another instant thought like message and it said to me "Only enter this room once" ...? This really intrigued me now and i just NEW this is where i needed to go, So in i went cautiously at the start as it was very cluttered filled with bookshelf's and old tables and trinkets (This room especially, But the entire house had a very vintage old cottage style to it).

As i walked further into the room i noticed a small figure standing of an old lady but it looked to be a fake stuffed life size doll, As i got within a few feet it awoke and i was shown her true identity, She suddenly turned very real and walked to her desk.

She was a witch.. I found this funny but kept going with it, She was a very small lady with your text book witch like appearance, She said welcome, And i said hi how are you? She didn't really reply she was very limited to her words.. It was kind of strange. But anyways i had to pay her so i gave her an Australian 5 dollar note, She excepted and gave me 3 token like chips, They almost looked like poker chips.

I said thank you and have a nice day, She replied you must go and pointed but wasn't rude about it, Just limited to her wording again, I understood and gave her the thumbs up :lol:

I walked out the room and went down the hallway and had a knowing that i needed to ask "Take me to where i need to go" to start this voyage.

I was about to say it but i just wanted to have quick look in a few other rooms as this place was really cool! There was so much vintage stuff everywhere!

I went in to a small room it was very vibrant and had some indoor plants and cool paintings and lamp shades, I started to read all the writing on this one Japanese scroll like thing hanging on the wall, It was all so interesting and was VERY clear and focused, I was having a blast! Hah :-D

But i new i should probably go and start this retrieval that i was meant to be doing, Well this is the slight knowing i had, Im pretty certain i was about to set off to help someone but suddenly i lost my grip on the reality and woke up .. :(

I was bummed! But i managed to get back but appeared in a new room but new i was still in the same house, I felt i had to get back to the witch so i asked "Take me back to the witches room". (This was cool) I started to float up and went only just through the ceiling and into a void i guess you would call it full of electricity like photons.. ? It was all buzzing and looked like dense electric strikes but they were blue, Very strange never experienced this in the astral.

Almost looked like a game of some sort where you would die then it would put all the photons back together and phase you back to life somewhere, It then moved me slightly over to the right i could see the top of the room i just left in my peripheral.

I smoothly floated down ever so nicely and i was just outside the witches room whom gave me the tokens, I watched her from the outside with someone else but had the knowing not to enter the room as i was told before only to enter once. I felt i should just enjoy this experience anyways and cruised around a few other rooms but it didn't last too much longer and woke up again.

So. Im guessing this was going to be a retrieval ? Is this how it can start ?

Im pretty devastated that i didn't get to pursue it or that i didn't do it straight away, But exited that maybe ill get to start from where i left next time..? Or have i missed the boat..?

Iv been having trouble to hold onto my Obee's lately.. I REALLY need help grounding myself when there, They always end way too quick :(

Cheers for reading.






You actually left the room going into the others. The distractions are massive in number as you found out. This could have been a retrieval easily but you failed the second test. The .
Distractions will make you fail and you fell for it unfortunately. The first test was not to enter the room again. You did this with flying colours. That is important. You will get another chance and more tests of your dedication will be provided. Be ready for them, the scene will be very different and you may not even recognise it.
It appears the guidelines are based on your ability to not drop out in any way. Be dedicated to the cause and you'll be successful.
Tricky tests will start the experience. These are normal.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: enlightnd on June 26, 2013, 14:21:14
You actually left the room going into the others. The distractions are massive in number as you found out. This could have been a retrieval easily but you failed the second test. The .
Distractions will make you fail and you fell for it unfortunately. The first test was not to enter the room again. You did this with flying colours. That is important. You will get another chance and more tests of your dedication will be provided. Be ready for them, the scene will be very different and you may not even recognise it.
It appears the guidelines are based on your ability to not drop out in any way. Be dedicated to the cause and you'll be successful.
Tricky tests will start the experience. These are normal.

Its so obvious to me now you point them out! Dam! I don't like failing.. I new i should of taken off straight away, But the place i appeared to set off from had obviously been staged in a way to intrigue and distract me and see how much i really wanted to do the retrieval.

I will be more on the ball next time and keep to the task in hand, Not letting anything get in my way!

Iv got what it takes guides, Lets try again tonight hey!  :-)




Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on June 26, 2013, 14:27:01
I like your conviction.
The time will come when you're not expecting it.
You'll be somewhere and have a basic knowledge on what to do.
The rest is up to your handling of it.

The impression I get, is its way higher than your guides setting you up.
Be ready. :wink:


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on June 26, 2013, 22:35:33
Its so obvious to me now you point them out! Dam! I don't like failing.. I new i should of taken off straight away, But the place i appeared to set off from had obviously been staged in a way to intrigue and distract me and see how much i really wanted to do the retrievals.

 Don't worry, us Humans as a whole are always great for "second guessing" ourselves and sometimes ignoring our "inner warning systems".

 It doesn't surprise me that it would happen in the NPR as well.

 Just last night or should I say this morning, I awoke in some kind of 3 way technical challenge and I saw that I was cheating to win.

 This doesn't make me feel too good about myself today.

 I thought I had handled that have to win, ego, competitive thing, long ago.

 But if I was being true to myself, I tell everyone that with this practice here that in my mind "failure is not an option".

 I guess that stubborn attitude could arise in other situations as well.

 AP is not a competition for me though. "RE-Learning" this "skill" here is important to me.



Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on October 11, 2013, 21:34:47
As promised, some early days learning experiences. These had to be done before any retrievals were given. A different mindset from the physical HAD to be learned. These were unexpectedly irritating as at that time ,late 60's and before I was 10 yrs old, my NP worldly experiences had recently taken a massive jump to the astral proper. I wanted to learn and see so much more than our physical related world lonely experiences.

 In the training sessions at the outset, I was given tasks to perform. Some of these made no sense at all and had no practical use or purpose. That's how I saw the training. I didn't understand the depth and as a result ended up getting frustrated at the reoccurring scene playing over and over again.
I was so wrong in my assumptions.
I couldn't see the point in spinning plates on a spiky stick.
First time I was shown how to do it with one plate. You were not allowed to touch a thing.
You sat in a comfy chair and looked into the room. A floor full of holes evenly spaced. A pile of spiky sticks and lots of white plates.
I'd already learned levitating things to a fine art in one lesson. What this reoccurring event did was a mystery.
 What caused this very important lesson was a requirement where I had to learn the respect of order.
Every night I'd spin a plate. Nothing, just nothing happened. This went on for a few nights. It then dawned on me that the spinning wasn't what was important, it wasn't, it was a lesson after all.
I started to move a stick and a plate and spun the plate by rotating the stick beneath it. Then another and another.
After getting 25 or so going the waiting pile started to shrink. Then chaos. The first one fell then the second and so on. I instantly lifted all the plates off the sticks to prevent waste. They all immediately returned to the pile complete with sticks.
The floor was clean and I was really confused.
It was another failiure.
I started again, this time faster and got 45 plates spinning.
It then hit me in the face, what the lesson was about. I had to get 100 plates up and take care of all of them for some time. It took a couple more nights to do this.
I could then apply this ability to anything. It wasn't about plates. It was about control. You have to do simple tasks many times and do them without losing your original direction. So keeping everything going means taking responsibility for your actions. This entails making sure everything you set up will remain that way. It taxes your brain into the importance of what you have done that still requires attention and the end goal which must be accomplished no matter what this is.
An important lesson learned.

Another one,
I would wake, or so I thought, into a white room. This was universally lit quite brightly. It had a good feel to it. I looked around and instinctively knew the task at hand was to simply leave the room.
Yeah, the room had no doors or windows. Being perplexed by this inconvenience , I sat down and thought about the how-to. Initially the typically physical mind engaged in a cure. I ran at the wall and stamped on it full on after jumping to get full momentum. Yep, futile.
It softly absorbed the impact and remained intact.
I remembered my early RTZ days of night flights (5 yrs old)and tried to leave that way. Again this was not permitted.
I tried heating it up and this failed. I also had a good feel of every inch of the walls for a hidden door, again nothing.
I sat down again and thoughts of being trapped permanently started to form. I pulled out of this the first time, fear getting in the way. It repeated the next night. I was trying everything physical world related and found nothing of any use no matter what tools I created.
I sat down on the warm floor and contemplated my predicament. After a while I realised that creating a tool was half the answer as I was permitted to do this.
It then became apparent, the answer was staring at me. Why bark when you have a dog?
Making various tools to force the impossible was an action. Opening a door would also be an action and the door didn't exist.
I made a door by thinking of a black line as an artist would, starting an outline and then filling in with all the trimmings. A wooden paneled door formed and I simply opened it wide. The other side was a black grainyness, so familiar to me. I left the room and entered the void.
Lesson learned.
This I have used many times to my advantage in many sticky situations. Recently pulling a character through a brick wall to safety and to get some undivided attention. It did both...


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: soarin12 on October 12, 2013, 07:28:23
So interesting!  Thanks for sharing these.  I am wondering if others who do retrievals are tested in a similar way.  Would be interesting to compare.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on October 12, 2013, 08:18:47
These lessons were many in number. Each one requiring resolution before the next. Being very young at that time and having absolutely no help from anything in this physical world the learning was difficult at times.
For around 3 years previous to this I had to face my fears in various unkind situations.  These nightmares dissipated the second I learned to let go and stop running away. The knowledge was so far my grasp, the books did exist but not for an 8 year old. Libraries were totally useless as you had to be 13+ to get into the reference section. They were mean places in the 60's. Lol... I had already read the encyclopedia Britannica and almost memorised the Oxford dictionary. Stupid grownups... Everything was against me, still my determination burned like a fire in a fireworks factory. There's no way I was going to surrender to these stupid illiterates.
I now obviously have realised this incessant determination, once correctly directed, was of great use in the NP. Way back this wasn't even a thought.
It certainly is a requirement in a retrieval. Some take you deep into your past fears and your memories flood in while you're strutting your stuff. The mental and emotional challenges in these are very powerful. Your instinct is to pull out and fast too. I've done this and the side effect haunts you for a long time.
 That's the main reason why failiure is not an option.
There's so many early days memories returning at the moment and I'll select those that are related to training in connection with retrievals.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on October 12, 2013, 08:52:40
So interesting!  Thanks for sharing these.  I am wondering if others who do retrievals are tested in a similar way.  Would be interesting to compare.
I think everyone is tested in one way or another, to prepare them for the Astral proper. Common sense is one of the things that is really needed for successful Retrievals. That and being able to think "on your feet".  :wink:

 A good way to find out how a member was possibly tested is to go to their profile and start at the beginning of their posts. You can read the profiles/posts of all members here. By doing this you can see how your own progression is coming along as well.

 Many times before I actually post a reply to a person, I go to their profile and read their previous posts. This tells me quite a bit about them in general and also aides me in creating a reply that fits their situation and current mindset.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: soarin12 on October 12, 2013, 15:58:19
I think everyone is tested in one way or another, to prepare them for the Astral proper. Common sense is one of the things that is really needed for successful Retrievals. That and being able to think "on your feet".  :wink:

 A good way to find out how a member was possibly tested is to go to their profile and start at the beginning of their posts. You can read the profiles/posts of all members here. By doing this you can see how your own progression is coming along as well.

 Many times before I actually post a reply to a person, I go to their profile and read their previous posts. This tells me quite a bit about them in general and also aides me in creating a reply that fits their situation and current mindset.
I see....Will do.  :)  BTW, How are you guys defining the astral proper?  How do you tell the difference?  I mean, all my experiences feel and seem completely real.  How would I know if I was there or not?


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on October 12, 2013, 18:00:12
The beginner stages were ALL in the RTZ. These are where you go to actual physical locations. Some differences randomly occur and these are from the minds of others who's memories have influenced the time space. I've noticed this in buildings that appeared smokey or partly translucent. These have been demolished and a view into the local history verifies these did exist.
You are typically enjoying yourself as you learn to gain control of things like flying, hovering...
You can go to houses and pull your friends from their body but they HAVE to become lucid and be themselves or they will not recall a thing.
The astral proper is totally different in its feel. A few assimilated locations are a match to the physical but the ambience is totally different. As a likeness, a compilation of VGA black and white photos (RTZ) to a full colour high resolution virtual reality ( astral proper).
The 'locales' available to you are infinate and some are pure colour with no form ( body or things of apparent substance). Everything in these is mentally oriented and telepathic in nature. The love you feel there is unlike anything on earth and you don't want to return at all.
There's dark places too, these are horrid and the ambience presented instills a need to get away at all cost. Staying here itself is almost impossible, you get removed and sent to a nicer, more suitable location that fits your mindset and personality.
I've used physical labels to effect a description as best I can. Its a concious awareness that's universal to all. The dark places are different for each of us as our interpretation will differ. My Badlands experiences were dark to me. To another they may be too much and scarey past sensibility causing long term side effects.
Imagine being 8 years old in the hellish scenes from the film Constantine.
I can relate to this setting, it's something I was in at that age. I learned a great deal there. I could handle it mentally and manipulating this environment was one hell of a few years of lessons.
Nothing phases me now as a result. I'll spare the details, we have young members who may not be as composed as I.
It's not something you'll experience.
Not one posted or read experience has been made where the one having the experience has been placed outside of their capabilities.
Possessing the patience of a saint gets tried. This with other developments are always within safe limits to the practitioner.
Your limits are NEVER exceeded.
It's safe and one aspect of your lifetime you may take with you  to the next.
That then becomes outside the context of this topic.



Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: soarin12 on October 12, 2013, 20:38:30
Thanks, Szaxx, for the really great description.  I didn't realize that astral proper was everything 'not RTZ.' --Thought maybe there was some middle ground.  Mine have been mixed since the beginning.  Haven't had a RTZ one for quite a while, though.  Funny you should mention the locale that's all color and no form.  I was just there last night for the first time.  Wow!  Sooo beautiful!!


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on October 12, 2013, 22:16:49
It's a wonderful place of mind, where nothing but love and kindness abounds. There's nicer places too. The ones I've rarely experienced, if not the same, are pure white light everywhere. You are all and all is you. It may be the source in its glory. The human mind really struggles to mix with this universal oneness. I am far from thick and with my massive experiences, I struggled to accept it's basics.
My first visit was guided and I was rejected from it for being barbaric. It was my very first visit to the astral proper and part of my request to see heaven and hell. The oneness or it's represent authority was told of my innocence. I've thought about this recently and it appears that individuality is unknown to it. It may be threatening to the whole or perhaps classed as an insubordination. I had the feeling of rejection and left knowing I'd not return. My first implant and I never realised how powerful this action can be. I do them myself on occasion to serve a purpose. I had the answer to one of my questions in '69, It's just been answered by a recall of my first outing. Amazing isn't it.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on October 12, 2013, 22:52:56
I see....Will do.  :)  BTW, How are you guys defining the astral proper?  How do you tell the difference?  I mean, all my experiences feel and seem completely real.  How would I know if I was there or not?
I used that term the "Astral proper", because you are on a Forum named the Astral Pulse. So, I figured I should stay with that term.

 I prefer to use NP (non physical) as my terminology and I feel that anything that you are not aware of in this physical reality/realm, is indeed a NP experience. This can be a number of things, but I choose to put them into the same grouping. You may come at the NP/Astral from all kinds of different directions, but once you finally arrive and start logging your results, you start to find patterns that are the same.

 The only thing I feel that is different is your level of awareness at the time and yes, that makes a huge difference in your initial interpretation of what is really happening.

 How many times do find yourself an active participant in a Dream? You are so involved and it seems so vivid and "real", that you don't know the difference. You haven't quite gained full conscious awareness that indeed you are in a Dream. But, you still have the recall afterwards. If you did gain full conscious awareness you would find that it has taken a completely new form. That heightened awareness means everything!  :wink:

 How many time do you find yourself in a Daydream where it's the same vivid, realistic area. The only difference is most Daydreams are over very fast, then you return to this awakened reality again, but you usually don't have the grogginess that you did from awaking in the morning from a full night's sleep.

 If you try creative visualization, at first it's hard to get any image at all. But, after about 20-30 minutes of doing it, you find yourself right smack in the middle of this vivid and realistic scenario.

 All three of these are achieving the same goal. They are just coming at it from different paths.

 Now with a Retrieval, you have to be fully consciously aware. You need to be able to alter the scenario at a moment's notice. You are deep in a zone where thought = action, so you must control those thoughts. The tests you will receive beforehand or training should I say, will see if you are ready to handle this.

 My first Retrieval occurred spontaneously, but I was already put through a "classroom scenario" of sorts that prepared me for being able to at least function in the NPR consciously aware. One of the things I was shown quite early in my training was depth perception and this came from my early guide/mentor (deceased brother in law). He was doing a seminar on a huge stage. He then bent down and picked up a bow and arrow, aimed my way and shot it. I saw that arrow as it was flying towards me. This showed me how real this place really was, lol. Talk about 3D, in your face, lol. I spent quite a bit of time in those classrooms and was shown a number of things that were going to help me navigate my travels and the way I reacted to them. For the longest time I was told to "just observe" everything. Even today, I still have times where I am told to just observe.

   


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: soarin12 on October 13, 2013, 06:55:21
I used that term the "Astral proper", because you are on a Forum named the Astral Pulse. So, I figured I should stay with that term.

 I prefer to use NP (non physical) as my terminology and I feel that anything that you are not aware of in this physical reality/realm, is indeed a NP experience. This can be a number of things, but I choose to put them into the same grouping. You may come at the NP/Astral from all kinds of different directions, but once you finally arrive and start logging your results, you start to find patterns that are the same.

 The only thing I feel that is different is your level of awareness at the time and yes, that makes a huge difference in your initial interpretation of what is really happening.

 How many times do find yourself an active participant in a Dream? You are so involved and it seems so vivid and "real", that you don't know the difference. You haven't quite gained full conscious awareness that indeed you are in a Dream. But, you still have the recall afterwards. If you did gain full conscious awareness you would find that it has taken a completely new form. That heightened awareness means everything!  :wink:

 How many time do you find yourself in a Daydream where it's the same vivid, realistic area. The only difference is most Daydreams are over very fast, then you return to this awakened reality again, but you usually don't have the grogginess that you did from awaking in the morning from a full night's sleep.

 If you try creative visualization, at first it's hard to get any image at all. But, after about 20-30 minutes of doing it, you find yourself right smack in the middle of this vivid and realistic scenario.

 All three of these are achieving the same goal. They are just coming at it from different paths.

 Now with a Retrieval, you have to be fully consciously aware. You need to be able to alter the scenario at a moment's notice. You are deep in a zone where thought = action, so you must control those thoughts. The tests you will receive beforehand or training should I say, will see if you are ready to handle this.

 My first Retrieval occurred spontaneously, but I was already put through a "classroom scenario" of sorts that prepared me for being able to at least function in the NPR consciously aware. One of the things I was shown quite early in my training was depth perception and this came from my early guide/mentor (deceased brother in law). He was doing a seminar on a huge stage. He then bent down and picked up a bow and arrow, aimed my way and shot it. I saw that arrow as it was flying towards me. This showed me how real this place really was, lol. Talk about 3D, in your face, lol. I spent quite a bit of time in those classrooms and was shown a number of things that were going to help me navigate my travels and the way I reacted to them. For the longest time I was told to "just observe" everything. Even today, I still have times where I am told to just observe.

   
Thanks, Lionheart.  Yea, I have been defining AP the same way.--As a projection with full conscious awareness.  The thing I always have in the back of my mind is that I wonder if I interact with 'fake' people (thought forms) or are they conscious souls.  When you guys said 'astral proper' I wondered if maybe the testing grounds were 'fake' people and the astral proper people were very obviously real ones. But it sounds like from all the reading I've done that you can never really be sure about that unless you get a validation.

My tests:  stop an attacker--pass-- It was pretty easy!  All the horrors of SP prepared me well.     Lust--fail--I've gotten a little better but this is still a big problem.  Helping people in need--pass--seems natural.  manifesting thoughts/desires--sometimes pass sometimes fail.  Last projection I came across a poodle with sickly looking eyes--all white with cataracts.  I tried to heal him but couldn't do it. 


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lionheart on October 13, 2013, 08:18:02
My tests:  stop an attacker--pass-- It was pretty easy!  All the horrors of SP prepared me well.     Lust--fail--I've gotten a little better but this is still a big problem.  Helping people in need--pass--seems natural.  manifesting thoughts/desires--sometimes pass sometimes fail.  Last projection I came across a poodle with sickly looking eyes--all white with cataracts.  I tried to heal him but couldn't do it. 
I'm sure that many of us share the same "track record" as you have here. I found the hardest thing to control was lust though. I had no problem with horrors, healings, badlands, etc. But when it came to lust I would always get drawn into it, like I had no control over it at all.

 Now, it has changed, but personally that was my biggest battle. Once again, I don't understand why because I am not like that in this physical reality. I think it has something to do with "Human Nature' in general.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on October 13, 2013, 10:22:13
I like your honesty on lust. I've not really had many experiences at all with lust. It's something I joke about in the physical as harmless banter. In the NP it's not presenting a memory at this time. I've nothing to recall.
Looks like Im missing out lol
Perhaps  not, I'd never of been able to save Olivia in that retrieval.
Ill have to think on this.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: soarin12 on April 14, 2014, 12:14:35
I am reading our above conversation on lust from 6 mo. ago, and thinking on whether I've made any progress! The underlying problem is still there but it seems I've learned to control myself lol.  That's good news for me. :)

This doesn't seem to be a retrieval as far as 'retrieving' goes, but maybe just being a helper of some sort?

I phased to a place where a little boy of Indian descent (maybe 9 yrs. old?) was sitting all alone looking depressed.  I sat next to him and tried to talk to him but he was very closed.  I felt like I should just sit quietly with him and respect his space, and eventually, he opened up and we were able to talk a little.  Seemed like he just needed love, so I held him in my arms and poured love energy into him.  I stayed with him in this way for quite awhile and eventually phased back into the physical.  In thinking about the experience later, I could have tried to take him somewhere, but I would have only been doing it because I've read that is what your supposed to do.  In the experience itself, I never had the feeling I was supposed to take him anywhere, nor did a guide tell me I was supposed to.  Figured I should wait for direction on that.  Do you agree?


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on April 14, 2014, 13:34:30
When you left did you FEEL his depression had gone.
That's a successful job.
As it's a one on one and probably your first, it may have been a test or more likely you've progressed with the control thing and now are deemed capable to help others.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: soarin12 on April 15, 2014, 01:16:28
Yes, I felt his depression had gone and felt I did what I was supposed to do, but the one thing I'm now wondering about is --do you have to be careful that the love energy doesn't get too strong?  Can it ever be too much for them?  I remember it getting very strong by the end and that's when I ended up back in the physical.  --I didn't choose to go back.  It just happened.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on April 15, 2014, 02:32:22
I think this timely removal was to show you how much is required. Each retrieval is different and NEVER beyond your capabilities.
If you really think carefully, I'd guess you instinctively knew when the task was completed.
A fast exit is typical in these early on. It's so your mind is on the task as you wake. Having a million questions floating around your head is one way to recall everything as you phase back to the physical. It cements the memory quite well and very little gets lost on waking.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: soarin12 on April 15, 2014, 05:42:37
Ok.  Yes, your right, I did feel like I had completed my task even before I was removed back to the physical.  It was a simple task and I had exactly the skills necessary.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Aaron330 on April 15, 2014, 06:23:25
Hope this doesn't de-rail the current conversation, but I was wondering if someone could explain to me what retrievals are? I've read about a dozen pages from this thread and have been enjoying reading about many different retrievals. But I'm not sure I understand exactly what they are. Are you coming to these people in their dreams to help them or what?


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on April 15, 2014, 10:40:22
These people are trapped in some way, they can't move on. Many are stuck in a never-ending loop like in groundhog day. Sometimes a group need help like those crossing the border in WW II. Their fear of being shot manifests and this puts them in a loop.
On occasion a whole realm needs help.
This is rare and one massive challenge.
You seemingly get taken away from your travels as they begin and get left there. Sometimes you know many details, sometimes you know nothing and are left to sort things out.
Retrievals have a feel to them, you instinctively know you're on a mission.
In the early days you have total physical recall from the start, once you've done a few hundred your memory gets restricted to what you need to know. On a few occasions you have no knowledge of the physical world whatsoever and you are in a totally new environment thats as real to you as this physical world.
You know something needs your attention and failing this isn't an option.
They are very real and can push you to your limits.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Aaron330 on April 15, 2014, 19:01:36
These people are trapped in some way, they can't move on. Many are stuck in a never-ending loop like in groundhog day. Sometimes a group need help like those crossing the border in WW II. Their fear of being shot manifests and this puts them in a loop.
On occasion a whole realm needs help.
This is rare and one massive challenge.
You seemingly get taken away from your travels as they begin and get left there. Sometimes you know many details, sometimes you know nothing and are left to sort things out.
Retrievals have a feel to them, you instinctively know you're on a mission.
In the early days you have total physical recall from the start, once you've done a few hundred your memory gets restricted to what you need to know. On a few occasions you have no knowledge of the physical world whatsoever and you are in a totally new environment thats as real to you as this physical world.
You know something needs your attention and failing this isn't an option.
They are very real and can push you to your limits.

Wow, that is incredible. That sounds like something I will definitely be doing one day. So I assume these people who are trapped are dead and maybe don't know it? Obviously they are no longer in the physical realm if you are helping them in the astral, right? Also, do you choose when you go on a retrieval or does it sort of "happen to you"?


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on April 15, 2014, 21:04:10
They mostly are unaware of their predicament.
This applies to groups too.
Some are relatively simple, you appear before them and show them the way to go. Then you have to   engage those chasing them at a risk to yourself. I've been shot a few times and it hurts until you fix yourself. You're limited in your choices of actions too. This is not known at the time within the experience but you realise it before it's over.

I do sort of choose to do some, if I'm not ready they don't occur, being tired or partially lucid ends up as a standard dream. I have to get plenty of sleep first, they then occur at random. The bigger ones are rare and they are the best experience you can have.
What you do is not your choice, your ability is seemingly assessed then it's go go go.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Volgerle on April 16, 2014, 00:34:16
Wow, that is incredible. That sounds like something I will definitely be doing one day. So I assume these people who are trapped are dead and maybe don't know it? Obviously they are no longer in the physical realm if you are helping them in the astral, right? Also, do you choose when you go on a retrieval or does it sort of "happen to you"?

These links might be of interest to you:

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/programs/lifeline

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=retrievals

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/ret-arch/

 :-)


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Aaron330 on April 16, 2014, 03:59:33
These links might be of interest to you:

http://www.monroeinstitute.org/programs/lifeline

http://afterlife-knowledge.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=retrievals

http://www.afterlife-knowledge.com/ret-arch/

 :-)

Great resources there, thanks for those links. I read through a dozen or so different retrieval stories and I think I am starting to understand them better. From what I understand, these are not necessarily the actual PEOPLE who are lost in the afterlife with some sort of problem, but it is usually an aspect of that person which they are struggling with?

For example, one guy helped a lady out who was digging in the mud for her baby that she believed was buried. He had to help convince her to move on and that her baby was ok no matter what happened, but that she wouldn't find him in there. This wasn't the actual woman's spirit somewhere in the astral plane, but just an aspect that represented the part of her that still deals with the sadness and depression of this loss?

Correct me if I'm wrong here.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Volgerle on April 16, 2014, 16:00:29
Great resources there, thanks for those links. I read through a dozen or so different retrieval stories and I think I am starting to understand them better. From what I understand, these are not necessarily the actual PEOPLE who are lost in the afterlife with some sort of problem, but it is usually an aspect of that person which they are struggling with?

For example, one guy helped a lady out who was digging in the mud for her baby that she believed was buried. He had to help convince her to move on and that her baby was ok no matter what happened, but that she wouldn't find him in there. This wasn't the actual woman's spirit somewhere in the astral plane, but just an aspect that represented the part of her that still deals with the sadness and depression of this loss?

Correct me if I'm wrong here.

I cannot correct you in any way because my answer is: I don't know.  :|

We can only speculate.

Yes, it is well possible that at some level a retrieval is much more healing of a person.

Many APers also 'retrieved' aspects - even of themselves. We are multidimensional beings, so this might be a kind of healing if you retrieve some personality aspects that came about ("split off"?) by a kind of trauma or problem and thereby heal them.

I had some experiences of this kind of "healing-retrieval" myself, one also with a little validation of sorts: I 'retrieved' or "helped" a former friend whom I saw in a slim state although I always remember him as an obese guy, he was NEVER slim, so this already was a strange and unfamiliar sight of him. I had not seen this guy for 20 years or so. Only later (!!!) another friend who is still in contact after all those years with him told me about him: He is often very sick and chronically ill. And that he therefore lost weight considerably!  :-o

I had helped him in a kind of delirious state with him wandering about aimlessly and quite lost in the city of your common childhood. The delirious state indeed seems to have hinted to s.o. rather more ill than dead. I then connected him to another friend of him from that time (who passed us) and that one then led him away (home) in a caring way. It had all patterns of a 'retrieval' including the connecting with a guide, but it might rather have been a healing of sorts. As far as I know he is still alive or at least was alive at the time I did the 'retrieval/healing'. Maybe there is not much difference between these two regarding the process and intent (both is being of service to s.o. else who got 'lost' in some way).

In other retrievals I just took the person's hands and counted down in order to 'shift' reaching out with my other hand above me and then the light set in, that is when the experience always ends for me. I do not know if that was a soul retrieval helping them home (into the light) or just another way of helping an alive being out of a state of coma/delirium/confusion by always 'giving them some kind of (en)light(enment)' about their situation. Again: I don't know.

Be that as it may have been, it is always a good feeling to have helped s.o., even if it wasn't 'real' but a simulation, which I don't know either. I suspect there is some 'realness' however in the sense that I really dealt with another soul or an aspect of it.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Aaron330 on April 25, 2014, 19:16:35
I cannot correct you in any way because my answer is: I don't know.  :|

We can only speculate.

Yes, it is well possible that at some level a retrieval is much more healing of a person.

Many APers also 'retrieved' aspects - even of themselves. We are multidimensional beings, so this might be a kind of healing if you retrieve some personality aspects that came about ("split off"?) by a kind of trauma or problem and thereby heal them.

I had some experiences of this kind of "healing-retrieval" myself, one also with a little validation of sorts: I 'retrieved' or "helped" a former friend whom I saw in a slim state although I always remember him as an obese guy, he was NEVER slim, so this already was a strange and unfamiliar sight of him. I had not seen this guy for 20 years or so. Only later (!!!) another friend who is still in contact after all those years with him told me about him: He is often very sick and chronically ill. And that he therefore lost weight considerably!  :-o

I had helped him in a kind of delirious state with him wandering about aimlessly and quite lost in the city of your common childhood. The delirious state indeed seems to have hinted to s.o. rather more ill than dead. I then connected him to another friend of him from that time (who passed us) and that one then led him away (home) in a caring way. It had all patterns of a 'retrieval' including the connecting with a guide, but it might rather have been a healing of sorts. As far as I know he is still alive or at least was alive at the time I did the 'retrieval/healing'. Maybe there is not much difference between these two regarding the process and intent (both is being of service to s.o. else who got 'lost' in some way).

In other retrievals I just took the person's hands and counted down in order to 'shift' reaching out with my other hand above me and then the light set in, that is when the experience always ends for me. I do not know if that was a soul retrieval helping them home (into the light) or just another way of helping an alive being out of a state of coma/delirium/confusion by always 'giving them some kind of (en)light(enment)' about their situation. Again: I don't know.

Be that as it may have been, it is always a good feeling to have helped s.o., even if it wasn't 'real' but a simulation, which I don't know either. I suspect there is some 'realness' however in the sense that I really dealt with another soul or an aspect of it.

Interesting. I'm sort of starting to understand these better, but still trying to piece it together. I've ran across a concept of Frank's that I believe has something to do with this. It's the concept of people being stuck in "emotional loops" in the Astral. Frank describes people that die sometimes end up projecting their emotions into a continual loop on the astral for hundreds of years. On page 169 of the pdf Frank says,
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With many of them the emotional-lock could so very easily be undone: if they would just stop for a moment and observe just one little aspect about what they are doing. But they go on missing it by a whisker, each time. So the loop, or spiral, continues.

I thought everyone had the same process in death from reading many NDE's. Meeting "The Light" seeing their life review, etc. So do these people go about their business after all of this death process is over and then proceed to create an emotional loop for themselves unknowingly? Last question (I'm chalk-full of them, I know). Is this what "retrievals are? Going into people's emotional loops and/or fear projections that they are stuck in and don't realize it, and helping them to get out? Because I can imagine wanting to do retrievals on many of my highly-religious family members who will no doubt be stuck in the "Christian Heaven" on the BST for quite a long time.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Ellury on May 26, 2014, 05:43:47
Wow retrievals are so amazing! It really all seems pretty deep, how you could help someone in that way. Must be very difficult at times, figuring out what to do, I know when your trying to help someone in the physical sometimes it seems impossible to do anything for them. Having the desire to help them, but at the same time getting dragged down with them. I can't imagine how it is in the non-physical.

I was wondering, can people ask to have soul retrievals done on themselves? Or would a person who knows about soul retrievals and know enough to to ask to have one done even need one in the first place?


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: deepspace on May 26, 2014, 06:04:49
Wow retrievals are so amazing! It really all seems pretty deep, how you could help someone in that way. Must be very difficult at times, figuring out what to do, I know when your trying to help someone in the physical sometimes it seems impossible to do anything for them. Having the desire to help them, but at the same time getting dragged down with them. I can't imagine how it is in the non-physical.

I was wondering, can people ask to have soul retrievals done on themselves? Or would a person who knows about soul retrievals and know enough to to ask to have one done even need one in the first place?

The basic issue is that when anyone asks for help, it is provided. Sometimes I get help when I don;t even know I need it. There is really a variety of needs that anyone can have and also a variety of abilities that a helper could use. It's a job that is done by volunteers and so if you available, willing and have the abilities, you can do the work. That's all it takes.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Ellury on May 26, 2014, 07:35:02
I would definitely be willing, but I know I don't have the ability. I mean, I'm in no position to help anyone, but I have a desire to help people. There's just the part of me that .. really does care about people and hurts to see people fight and suffer. When someone is pouring out their feelings to me, I want so badly to be able to do the right thing for them to cheer them up. I don't know why I feel so emotional about this. Everything I've been reading in this thread has just been tugging at my heart... maybe it's because I know I've been the cause of messing up someones life because I couldn't get past my own feelings.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Micael on May 26, 2014, 07:53:59
I wish someday I am able to help some people move on too, but I may have to fight some fears first and not to mention enhancing my abilities.

Two nights ago I had an interesting regular dream though. A guy I know in real life was doing something very dangerous, I was at the roof of a big building and I have a fear of heights but he was playing on the edge of the building. I firmly told him to stop because that was a very dangerous thing to do but then he kept going back because his little sister followed his behaviour and now was maybe trying to end her life? This ended with me getting her in a corner with her brother by her side and trying to convice her not to do that, both of them were crying, I got the sense in that moment that she had a very difficult life and was abused by her mother, so I told her it was difficult but she had to move on and she wasn't alone etc. Then when I felt it was ok I just softly caressed her head and woke up.

I don't think this was something real but perhaps a test to my intent/natural reaction? Who knows, when it happened I just felt I absolutely had to act. I'm confident some day I will get to help for real.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: EscapeVelocity on May 26, 2014, 08:09:10
Ellury & Micael,

Honestly, what I'm reading in both of your dreams and experiences, you are already beginning the sometimes subtle and sometimes not so subtle, testing of your willingness and capacity to work in various modes such as Retrievals. Be open to the possibilities.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Micael on May 26, 2014, 08:21:38
That's great news EV, I'd love to help and it would make me very happy for various different reasons. I'll keep practicing.  :-)


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Ellury on May 26, 2014, 09:40:48
Really? That is pretty exciting! : )


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: deepspace on May 26, 2014, 10:13:50
I wish someday I am able to help some people move on too, but I may have to fight some fears first and not to mention enhancing my abilities.
I would definitely be willing, but I know I don't have the ability. I mean, I'm in no position to help anyone, but I have a desire to help people.

The first step is dealing with your own blocks, whether they are fears or other things. You first have to be able to get to that place where you can help, that's the biggest hurdle. The higher you can raise your energy level/frequency the more you can do. Many times when I am helped in the AP, the helpers just touch me and that does it. 

I have only met someone one time who I feel needed help, but he couldn't reach out. He seemed very frightened and was in a hurry to leave after I started talking to him. He was a religious man who had an accent from the southern U.S. It seemed like I had gone back in time and I explained about how we have the internet where I am from and that I would look him up when I got back. I got his name which was a very unusual name. I could only find one reference to anyone with his name when I looked him up. It was a guy who had died about 3 years ago. He was from the southern U.S. Hoping I run into him again and can offer help if he is willing. 


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on May 26, 2014, 10:47:48
I do hope you guys have the chance to do retrievals. It's a busy afterlife and help is always required.  These experiences are crystal clear and have a different feel to dreaming or AP.
You know some details at the start and instinctively follow YOUR way of doing what's required.
They can be quite grand at times once familiar with a good number of experiences. To start it's typically a one on one and never above your capability to do the job.
You'll understand my motto, 'failiure is not an option'. It has a new meaning in retrievals that's hardly apparent in the physical. I hope you're free of most fears and your emotional side is ready for waking to new experiences.
The inner strength you'll already possess and the care is obvious from your posts.
The roof experience may have been a test.
If it had a sort of FEEL to it after the experience you'd have noticed the difference from typical dreams in the overall ambience.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Micael on May 26, 2014, 17:33:17
The first step is dealing with your own blocks, whether they are fears or other things. You first have to be able to get to that place where you can help, that's the biggest hurdle. The higher you can raise your energy level/frequency the more you can do. Many times when I am helped in the AP, the helpers just touch me and that does it. 

I have only met someone one time who I feel needed help, but he couldn't reach out. He seemed very frightened and was in a hurry to leave after I started talking to him. He was a religious man who had an accent from the southern U.S. It seemed like I had gone back in time and I explained about how we have the internet where I am from and that I would look him up when I got back. I got his name which was a very unusual name. I could only find one reference to anyone with his name when I looked him up. It was a guy who had died about 3 years ago. He was from the southern U.S. Hoping I run into him again and can offer help if he is willing. 

That's a great verification deepspace, what are the odds. Hope he gets out of his own fright.

I know that eventually I will get there because spirituality, meaning, going within and growing up is pretty much my life. I could go as far as saying that at some point spirituality was more my father and mother than my actual parents.  :-P

I do hope you guys have the chance to do retrievals. It's a busy afterlife and help is always required.  These experiences are crystal clear and have a different feel to dreaming or AP.
You know some details at the start and instinctively follow YOUR way of doing what's required.
They can be quite grand at times once familiar with a good number of experiences. To start it's typically a one on one and never above your capability to do the job.
You'll understand my motto, 'failiure is not an option'. It has a new meaning in retrievals that's hardly apparent in the physical. I hope you're free of most fears and your emotional side is ready for waking to new experiences.
The inner strength you'll already possess and the care is obvious from your posts.
The roof experience may have been a test.
If it had a sort of FEEL to it after the experience you'd have noticed the difference from typical dreams in the overall ambience.

Well I did have a feeling after the experience so much so that I couldn't sleep afterwards but I figure that could've been my interpretation... It was a pretty vivid dream also but nowadays my dreams generally happen like that because I'm heavily building my recall, the situation also seemed to progress from regular dream content. Either way I know I can do this, I just need my expanded awareness and a chance from our buddies 'up there'.  :-)



Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Ellury on May 27, 2014, 01:52:12
So, I often see people on here say something about coincidences not be a coincidence, or something to that effect. Well I think I get the jest of that when I say "what a coincidence" I would dream about an Academy that has students being tested (for what I don't know) and little orbs following them around giving them tasks to do... Is this what you guys were talking about training and tests? I logged the dream in my dream journal. I mean whatever that dream was that I had, I want to go back and get started on my tests and outsmart that orb!

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_dreams/ellurys_dream_journal-t44537.0.html


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Astralzombie on May 30, 2014, 10:06:15
I can't say whether or not retrievals are a good idea for some who are just beginning their explorations. This really just depends on how easily you accept the non physical reality and the skills you develop. Since I went the lone wolf path for so many years, I missed out on so many opportunities simply because I did not recognize what was happening. Sure, I had mastered flying, I was competent in telepathy but rarely relied on it, and I had a high success rate in achieving projections. The thing is, I just didn't know that their was any other purpost to all this other than to just really screw with my mind and make me develop a new reality paradigm.

This all changed quickly when I joined the Pulse and became exposed to the idea of retrievals. The thought of doing one instantly resonated with me. It was very long before I had my first one. I failed the first go around and wasn't aware that failure wasn't an option. You have to get the job done, you just do. So you will eventually return to the same retrieval after you have had time to reflect and gain further skills or at least, better awareness of your situation.

The feeling that you have failed can be very emotionally draining. You can also become easily obsessive over it and play it over and over in your waking mind. This can be both good and bad.

You can't force a retrieval to be your destination but when you are ready and you want to do one, the universe will respond. Someone can have years of dealing with these yet they may not possess the particular mindset or skills needed to get the job done in certain situations so sometimes a newbie may be called in for the job.

Their is also no greater feeling than knowing you have help someone or at least a part of someone break the torturous cycle they have been trapped in. I recommend that anyone who is interested in doing one, to give it a shot. After all, failure is not an option and you will return once you have gained further insight.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Ellury on May 30, 2014, 12:33:44
I'm pretty excited to just get out there and meet other beings, to learn, to explore, etc. Anything I am needed for once I get to astral, I'll be willing to help and give it everything I got. I don't like failing. I feel bad letting people down, so it drives me to do my best.

Right now, all I have is my dreams, so I'll just put more effort into paying attention to whats going on in them! I feel like maybe I'm missing something from them. I dream a lot, and I mean a lot. What I post isn't even half of what I dream in a night, it's just soooo much that I usually forget a lot of details. Something right now is just telling me to pay more attention to my dreams, so I'll listen to that instinct.

There's just so much I am looking forward too, especially the meeting other beings. I generally like people and really enjoy getting to know them. I like you guys a lot! I'm in a bubbly mood right now lol.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on January 03, 2015, 11:11:54
Let's bump this one with another.
I became aware walking along the left hand side of a road which was made of limestone chippings, it was a wide single track road. On my left a high wall, a main road on the other side of it by the noise of the traffic I could hear. Across the dirt track road was a field of rough ground and grass, this was visible between the large bushes that were growing along the other side of the road. It was winter as patches of snow lay around in frosty clumps on the field and dirty blotches along the roadside. It crunched beneath my feet as I walked towards a darker forested area in front of me a hundred meters or so. I heard the sound of a heavy truck behind me. I turned and saw an old design from way back and turned forwards again. Looking into the distance I saw a small barrier and a couple of armed guards waiting. The truck stopped a
In front of me around 30 feet or so. The  container on the back moved and sniffles were heard from within. I decided to look inside. Climbing up the side of this solid machine I lifted the tarpaurlin cover to see a small group of sorry looking people. They looked battered and were very cold, I asked them ,,"You OK?"
They replied in a language I don't know so I used telepathy discreetly. One of the group lay on the floor and wasn't moving. I knew this one was dead, I checked anyway to find a barely warm neck with no pulse. I was then stared at by the group, one gripping her mouth as tears filled her eyes. I couldn't stand the pain I was feeling so decided to push the boat out on this one and take whatever consequences came my way. (I absolutely hate that feeling of loss, it drives a cold blade through me from times gone by and there's none of it going to happen here).
Something clicked inside me and I tried the other side of the dead ones neck. Instantly delivering heat, I brought life back into this one. His dreams were of the tunnel and seeing someone in white meeting him was where I intervened. I left the tearful girl with him in her arms and disconnected from him and opened up to the group as a whole. They had escaped some 'government action' that would have had them sent to some workhouse or camp somewhere where they wouldn't be seen again. They left quickly taking only themselves. They were cold and hungry. I entered the drivers mind and found he had a good amount of food for his long journey. I choose take his food making him believe he had left it behind. I opened the door slightly so the guards didn't see me and he gave me the food bag he brought, a vacant look on his face.
He then searched for some paperwork, I slipped the food into the back of the truck after finding a small notebook and removing it. The food was soon devoured. I left the stowaways where they were and hitched a ride on a large footplate that was conveniently there.
The driver set off for the barrier and the armed guards came out walking the few feet to the driver once he stopped. They spoke German and the driver pushed papers at them saying nothing. One of the guards walked around the truck bashing the rear container asking what's inside. The driver shouted something neither of us understood. The guard then jumped when he saw me standing on the footplate. Gun in my face, he called his oppo who came around from the front of the truck. They asked me what's in the back, I told them its full of workers going to hell, in broken German. I entered their minds now and convinced them to lower the guns as I was going to pay them lots of money as a bribe. They conformed to my wishes and I supplied them with lots of notes they saw as cash. I previously tore up the notebook. They lifted the barrier and we all set off. Once clear from the guards, I jumped off and woke up.

Another success, I originally wanted to visit Europa. Not WW2 Europe. There's a few million miles out of sync here...


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: EscapeVelocity on January 03, 2015, 12:35:37
Like you told me once Szaxx, we don't always get the experience we expect, but sometimes a related experience we may need (or someone else may need, in this case). Nice work.

Europa versus Europe...an interesting twist...like mine, your Guides have an interesting sense of the ironic.

Was there something under the ice of Europa you were looking for?

I could also mention the gravel drive, but that was maybe more a humorous reminder for me, I somehow think...funny guys... :-D



Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on January 03, 2015, 15:19:39
Mincing words again lol.
It seems every time I've tried this trip it ends in a retrieval. Short and interesting, it keeps the general theme of difficult communications operating. It was very easy this time.
Europa is one moon I've been interested in for a while. The ice will be quite thick and something beneath is maintaining a magnetic field that's not the core. It has to be conductive. I'm not too sure if its ion based or ferro-metal based. Its most likely ionic, too many pointers push this direction. As for life, it's possible, one question I have is, how much life is there in our dead sea?
I'm not sure if a visit was made in '69.
I traveled everywhere, sound is a clue, something noisy keeps coming back like a hint of a reminder.
Maybe I'll get my chance and beat the probe they're sending. Hot news if I'm successful, going off Saturn's ring system.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lumaza on August 22, 2015, 02:55:14
 Last night I listened to William Bulman's most recent seminar found here. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OR6Kiwlohw
 In it he spoke of the Monroe Lifeline Program. The lifeline Program has to do with Robert Monroe's Focus 23, where people go to help souls that are stuck. I don't have the funds or the time right now to go to for the 5 day/6 night Lifeline program, but have always been open to be a "Invisible Helper". This is a term that was penned by an incredible lady named Annie Bessant. You can find out more about her and her research in this fantastic video by Kurt Leland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA12Xd3Zq0I. So, I wanted to create my own technique to achieve my goal. Here's a quick rundown of the Focus levels for anyone that wants to know more about them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focus_level

 I have 3 goals that I have always strived to achieve in my practice of non physical/other realm exploration. I say other realm because I find many areas of the Astral that are just as physical as this one.
 Goal #1 is to be an Invisible Helper to any Humans or entities that may need assistance in this realm or any others.
 Goal #2 is to learn how to heal myself, so that I can take that teaching and heal others in need
 Goal #3 is to remember what I once knew and unlock my full potential

 It has been a while now since I have had a full on, with total recall actual Retrieval. I have had experiences whereas I was aiding someone, but then I "clicked out" and lost my awareness on what was occurring. In other words I didn't consciously see it through. Other times I would be right in the middle of a Retrieval and then I would get distracted and it would be gone.

 Last night I laid down to relax. I felt the feeling of depth coming on, so I decided to try and find this Focus 23 area. I am sure that because of the thousands and more people that have focused on this area, that there had to be a "real"/actual Focus 23 zone somewhere in the Astral. So I began creating Doorways as I do in this practice here: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_consciousness/the_doorway-t46013.0.html
 
 I started asking my Doorway questions, but nothing happened. I just kept noticing the darkness before my eyes. I was about to give up when all of a sudden I saw a small wooden sign on my right hand side saying "Focus 23 ahead". I then felt movement. I was moving forward. There were other signs along the way similar to the first one that were stating that I was on the right path. Then I came to a wooden door with a glass window. It looked like to regular office door. On the glass was printed in black lettering "Focus 23". I opened the door and saw a room with some chairs lined down the side. I then sensed, I can't say heard a bellowing voice saying "Sit down and someone will be will you shortly". Like I said, it wasn't an oral voice, it was more inside of my head. Likely telepathy.

 There was no one else in the room. All the chairs were empty. It looked like a regular Doctor's office, but with no magazines, lol. There was though a wall that was solid black and looked like glass. The only opening in it was the same small opening that you see in bulletproof glass. Just enough room to get your hand through.

 I sat there for what seemed like an eternity. I contemplated why I was there and figured that this waiting had to be some kind of test in patience. I did feel like my thoughts were being sucked out of my brain though. It was like I was being drilled on why I wanted to help others. What my motives for coming here were.

 Finally something happened. The glass wall disappeared and I was looking at a escalator that was loaded with people, but they looked more like just the forms/shapes of people. The escalator was moving upwards. All of a sudden I saw someone fall off the side. They plummeted to the ground. I quickly thought myself over to that location and saw that the fallen soul was a young boy. He had to be about 6 years old. He was in tears and I went to comfort him. I asked him what his name was, the thought came back Richard. I then asked him if he knew where he was, the answer was no. Okay, now I knew I had to do something. But what? I thought about it for a minute and asked him what his favorite thing to do was. What he enjoyed, hobby wise. He sent the thought back "boats". I then asked him how he would like to go on a boat and meet some new friends. He stopped crying and sent the answer yes to me. A boat immediately materialized beside us. We got on and the next thing I know we are docking. That was weird, I don't even recall the trip there. It was like we were almost instantly there. There just happened to be a kid's paradise. There was swings, money bars, kids everywhere. The 2 adults that had docked us told us telepathically to follow them. So we did. We were walking down a street and came upon a large white building, akin to a Hospital. I told Richard that he needed to go "check in". Richard then gave me a hug and went with the 2 adults up the stairs and into the building.

 I then turned my focus back to my physical body and smiled. It feels so good inside when you can help others. Not only is healing for them, but it's healing for myself as well.  

 Thank You for listening!  :-)


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on August 22, 2015, 04:33:33
The lead up to the assessment area or room in your case was a nice touch. My way ones were in the void and progressed to a myriad of locations, a few in the formless environments rarely travelled in.
That feeling of having your thoughts sucked out of your brain is the assessment. I found this intrusive method indescribable and knew what was occurring, it wasn't controllable in any way. I knew I could have stopped it but then no further experience would have ensued. Later I found out how to do it without the indivual/s even knowing I was 'in there'. I have posted this in 'Oily' a group retrieval of sorts. It's the initial stages of learning how to imprint info to and from others.
That voice booming inside your head without a sound takes some getting use to lol. It's telepathy and a method of communication used in many finer environments, this is also the sole method in the formless environments.
The percieved location would have not been threatening in any way, it would have had an authorative appeal. I'd guess the empty chairs were symbolic of your personal preference. A room full of individuals may have been challenging or even discouraging. The long wait while you contemplated your desires sufficed. The test, passed with flying colours led you to an experience. The thoughts you had needed to fit in with what the brain drain gave as some kind of feedback to suitability. I've had this many times, unlike you though, I had to wait weeks before been sent on a retrieval. Then many more followed almost nightly.
While you were in your experience, can you recall absolutely everything about your physical life? I've often found a great deal of these memories temporarily erased until some progress has been made in the adventure.
Clever thinking on getting the young ones thoughts off the fall. I'd also guess this was looping over and over for him. The boat ride is his need, its irrelevant for you and typically no recall of the trip exists.
You delivered the boy into safe hands so he could heal. You also entered the transitional or hospital zone where many go with issues upon death. I normally deliver to a white light behind an open doorway with the guide or family of those being rescued. Most often I put them where they need to be and phase back. The fuss of gratitude is nice but I'd  rather get on with another retrieval.
Top marks for being assessed and sent in one go. I hope you get more.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lumaza on August 22, 2015, 10:05:12
 Thank You for your reply Szaxx. I agree with everything you said there. I have found telepathy to be the chosen mode of communication in these areas. I could have quoted individual parts of what you said here to break them down further, but instead I decided to just say "I agree" and then I wanted to handle your question separately.

While you were in your experience, can you recall absolutely everything about your physical life? I've often found a great deal of these memories temporarily erased until some progress has been made in the adventure.
I didn't try to recall anything. I wanted to keep my focus entirely on the scene at hand in fear of losing focus again. I find in my LDs though a lot of my memories have been erased. Many times I just live the scenario while fully consciously aware of my actions, but never coming to the realization that my physical body is sleeping peacefully in my bed. What would you call that a half-way LD, lol? I am Lucid as in having full awareness of the scenario at hand and am a active participant in it.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: floriferous on August 22, 2015, 11:53:41
I've done a number of TMI programs, including Lifeline, and your experience resonates strongly. It seems to me that you had guidance right there with you whether it was visible or not given the nature of the way everything fell neatly into place and suddenly you were docking - which evidently was focus 27. The hospital and the park being the big giveaway.

I would say in future ones (which tend to be harder as guidance gives you more of a challenge), you can always mentally ask guidance what to do and they will assist in some way. It's clear they took you up to 27 in this one. It might be worth trying to start off in focus 27 as well when you intend to do a retrieval. That way when you make the trip to 23 you know how it feels making it easier to move back to. 27 without guidance. If you do decide to start in 27 it's also good to have an anchor point. At lifeline you are encouraged to create a special place so when in 23 you can easily bring people back up by thinking of your special place( I have a jetty on a small lake in a forest). Also, I think starting in 27 you are more like to visually have a guide with you (rather than invisible in the background) because 27 is a gathering point of such individuals.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Szaxx on August 22, 2015, 20:52:04

 I didn't try to recall anything. I wanted to keep my focus entirely on the scene at hand in fear of losing focus again.
 I find in my LDs though a lot of my memories have been erased. Many times I just live the scenario while fully consciously aware of my actions, but never coming to the realization that my physical body is sleeping peacefully in my bed.
What would you call that a half-way LD, lol? I am Lucid as in having full awareness of the scenario at hand and am a active participant in it.
Having a choice relies upon the actual knowledge being present. As you said and as I have found countless times, this full physical awareness of all memories etc is rarely present. You're within a scenario and are the personality you represent ( with extras), in what you automatically deem as the reality you live in. There are exceptions where your awareness tells you instantly. These tend towards the tests of your mettle or psychological limits.
The proposition you're in is always solveable but how you do this isn't. By successful completion of many of these your challenging experiences can push you beyond what you thought was your limits.
A perfect example was my New Jericho large scale retrieval already posted. I can still recall the initial scene like it was yesterday, there's many physical world experiences that fail in this level of recall.

I hope you are given more of these challenges, obviously in increasing complexity.
The  various F levels are interesting in they define a broad spectrum of similar environments, I still am unsure on the borders of these. The comment on things progressing in difficulty is so true.
You can't get enough of them lol.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lumaza on August 22, 2015, 23:46:24
I've done a number of TMI programs, including Lifeline, and your experience resonates strongly. It seems to me that you had guidance right there with you whether it was visible or not given the nature of the way everything fell neatly into place and suddenly you were docking - which evidently was focus 27. The hospital and the park being the big giveaway.

I would say in future ones (which tend to be harder as guidance gives you more of a challenge), you can always mentally ask guidance what to do and they will assist in some way. It's clear they took you up to 27 in this one. It might be worth trying to start off in focus 27 as well when you intend to do a retrieval. That way when you make the trip to 23 you know how it feels making it easier to move back to. 27 without guidance. If you do decide to start in 27 it's also good to have an anchor point. At lifeline you are encouraged to create a special place so when in 23 you can easily bring people back up by thinking of your special place( I have a jetty on a small lake in a forest). Also, I think starting in 27 you are more like to visually have a guide with you (rather than invisible in the background) because 27 is a gathering point of such individuals.
Thank You for your reply Floriferous. I was hoping you would have read this and had some helpful tips. A trip to the Monroe Institute some day is still on my "Bucket List".

 I have seen the white building, aka Hospital in other Retrievals I have had as well. It's like I always end up there sooner or later in the process. After a while my Retrievals seemed to get few and far between. At least the consciously aware ones. I think I may have still continued, since it's my main goal, undergoing them on a subconscious level. Starting in Focus 27 and backtracking does seem like a good idea as well.

 I never really got much into focusing on Focus Levels in the past. I guess I thought for some reason that there wasn't actual areas such as these and that we were just creating them ourselves. But when you have a "real" Retrieval and end up at this Focus 27 location, especially it being what other people say they experience, (without you knowing ahead of time), you just know that there is something to this. Once again, seeing is believing.

 I have always had a "gathering point" in the other realms. It's actually more of a launching pad I use. It's been my tranquil Island beach retreat, but I never looked at it as a gathering point for Focus 27 and Retrievals. That's a handy tip there!  :wink:

 Last year a Medical condition knocked me out of whack. It made it so just meditating was a challenge. For a while I just gave up my daily practice and just relied on my nightly LD for my exploration. But my LDs always led to a completely different area then my conscious APs were. I see them both as NP explorations. But they seem to have their own "playgrounds" per say. It's almost like a completely different plane from one another. But as I said, they are both considered non physical or "other realm" I like to say experiences.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lumaza on August 22, 2015, 23:57:47
I hope you are given more of these challenges, obviously in increasing complexity.
Challenges, challenges and even more challenges. The other realms are full of them, lol. I see it as their method of communicating with us. What better way to learn something, then seeing and coming to the realization for yourself.

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The  various F levels are interesting in they define a broad spectrum of similar environments, I still am unsure on the borders of these. The comment on things progressing in difficulty is so true.
You can't get enough of them lol.
As I stated above, I used to think these Focus levels were a thing of myth. Sure I had read Frank Kepple's posts and Robert Monroe's books, but it seems in the end that's what they concluded as well. But now I see that because so many people have focused on these individuals levels that something tangible has been created. My Island retreat is almost a mirror of the Astral Pulse Island. Of course there's a Pyramid on my as well. I have always been fascinated by those, as you already know. But I use this area often as my launching pad or I will just be relaxing, take a glance around and see something new there that I haven't created. This leads to my next adventure.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Whirlwind on April 15, 2016, 08:08:51
Great thread Lumaza! I want to do this so bad. I feel like I was made for this. I feel like there is nothing at all in the Cosmos that I would better at than this. And I could swear, now that I'm begining to learn some basics about what's going on, I realize that I've been being prepared for this my entire life, conditoned for the endurance, quick wit, creativity, patience, and fearlessness that this job requires. Would, um, the Big Ulitmate Reality Upstairs mind if I manifest a superhero costume? Or maybe I'll go totally old school and show up in angel wings. *sigh* decisions, decisions lol


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lumaza on April 15, 2016, 23:59:53
Great thread Lumaza! I want to do this so bad. I feel like I was made for this. I feel like there is nothing at all in the Cosmos that I would better at than this. And I could swear, now that I'm begining to learn some basics about what's going on, I realize that I've been being prepared for this my entire life, conditoned for the endurance, quick wit, creativity, patience, and fearlessness that this job requires. Would, um, the Big Ulitmate Reality Upstairs mind if I manifest a superhero costume? Or maybe I'll go totally old school and show up in angel wings. *sigh* decisions, decisions lol
Thank You Whirlwind!  :-)

 Just remember your intent creates your reality.

 But I have to give a "lol" to the superhero/angelic wing comment. You manifest into what they need to see. Many times you are delving into their own personal hell. They don't even know or realize why they are stuck. It's your job to find a way to help them "choose" for themselves that they need to move on. You can't do that for them. They aren't looking for a Angel or superhero. You can morph into any form you wish, but normally that form is something that was pertinent to their physical life in this reality here.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Whirlwind on April 16, 2016, 01:43:34
Haha yeah I know, the superhero costume comment was tongue in cheek :-D I know that this is no "feel good" field trip or ego fodder event. It just so happens that I like getting my hands dirty :wink: In physical life I've sucessfully worked with delusional, intractable, and even hostile individuals, those "hopeless cases" who most have given up on, so I know that these interpersonal experiences can at least in part form a foundation of training for the work to come. Plus, you never know whose belief system entails them being picked up by a grown man in camel toe tights (fingers crossed) :-P Ok, now let me stop yaking about it and go practice :roll:


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lumaza on April 16, 2016, 02:12:06
Haha yeah I know, the superhero costume comment was tongue in cheek :-D I know that this is no "feel good" field trip or ego fodder event. It just so happens that I like getting my hands dirty :wink: In physical life I've sucessfully worked with delusional, intractable, and even hostile individuals, those "hopeless cases" who most have given up on, so I know that these interpersonal experiences can at least in part form a foundation of training for the work to come. Plus, you never know whose belief system entails them being picked up by a grown man in camel toe tights (fingers crossed) :-P Ok, now let me stop yaking about it and go practice :roll:
 It sounds like you are primed for the "duty" Now it's on to the next step!  :wink:

 You already have the intent, now comes the practice.


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: user001 on July 26, 2016, 19:11:41
RM, please.....Total bovine excrement.............there is no stuck souls, and I know for fact lies, and more lies, and fakers wanting to belong. There is no places, no people there, anyone says they helped people get to other side are full of chit. Maybe a dream or something, cause I been to RM and there is nothing there, but people to scam you out your money............Sorry, you may be able to obe from teachings, but everything else is total BS, and I will confront anyone that claims different.

This guy really pisses me off, he may of had an OBE, but the rest is bull, or dream worlds created. For one no one talks about the most obvious feature when you OBE and can see the "real" world, or how they just somehow never had to learn how to move around, never scared of leaving body and can never actually help you, besides say goto RM place, hoping it would work for you, plus your thousands of dollars -_-  It just not like something you can just do automatically, because you read a book.

At best RM created a "world" that more and more people believe in, but I can assure you it is not a reality. It like going to heaven if you a Christian, and then later you find out it BS, cause it was all created by the human minds that believe in it. Human minds can create "levels" this guy created a fantasy and people followed, making it "real" on some level. If that, more probably people read that crap making your "dreams" make that real, not OBE.....and I will challenge anyone to a meeting place. Been to CP, NY and no-one nothing, and to his institute.....smh


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: Lumaza on July 27, 2016, 02:34:39
RM, please.....Total bovine excrement.............there is no stuck souls, and I know for fact lies, and more lies, and fakers wanting to belong. There is no places, no people there, anyone says they helped people get to other side are full of chit. Maybe a dream or something, cause I been to RM and there is nothing there, but people to scam you out your money............Sorry, you may be able to obe from teachings, but everything else is total BS, and I will confront anyone that claims different.

This guy really pisses me off, he may of had an OBE, but the rest is bull, or dream worlds created. For one no one talks about the most obvious feature when you OBE and can see the "real" world, or how they just somehow never had to learn how to move around, never scared of leaving body and can never actually help you, besides say goto RM place, hoping it would work for you, plus your thousands of dollars -_-  It just not like something you can just do automatically, because you read a book.

At best RM created a "world" that more and more people believe in, but I can assure you it is not a reality. It like going to heaven if you a Christian, and then later you find out it BS, cause it was all created by the human minds that believe in it. Human minds can create "levels" this guy created a fantasy and people followed, making it "real" on some level. If that, more probably people read that crap making your "dreams" make that real, not OBE.....and I will challenge anyone to a meeting place. Been to CP, NY and no-one nothing, and to his institute.....smh
Wow, such anger.  :-o

 ...and what is this RM? Do you mean the Monroe Institute? I've never been and I purchased and read his book "after" my adventures in this area. This was one of the first experiences in this area I had every had and at the time I was new to Astral Projection period and wasn't familiar with Robert Monroe at all.  Just look at my opening line back in 2012 "This topic will be just for Retrievals. I haven't had the chance to read Bruce Moen's or the Monroe Institutes's information on them. "

 I have found that for some reason that some people think that just because they haven't experienced something that it means it doesn't exist. You can post all of your OBEs and I am sure that you have experienced many things I haven't as well. That is the reason that I stopped posting my adventures on Forums, (I have Journals filled with them though), because some people tried to imitate them and compare them to their own. When they didn't match up they got angry like yourself.

 We see what we need to see when we need to see it. My first goal/intent (still is today), in this practice was always to use what I was seeing and being taught to help others, no matter where those "others" may be. Through reading, videos and personal emails with Kurt Leland, I found that it is called "Invisible Helpers" and it was the name that was penned way before Robert Monroe by a woman named Annie Bessant back at the end of the 1800's.
 Both of these videos will help you understand her theories and they are "FREE".
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNzeIS_0K0Q
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uA12Xd3Zq0I

 What is your intent for "non ordinary states of consciousness"? Why do you do it? Your intent will open the doors to your experiences.

 


Title: Re: Souly for Retrievals!
Post by: LightBeam on July 27, 2016, 03:48:08
RM, please.....Total bovine excrement.............there is no stuck souls, and I know for fact lies, and more lies, and fakers wanting to belong. There is no places, no people there, anyone says they helped people get to other side are full of chit. Maybe a dream or something, cause I been to RM and there is nothing there, but people to scam you out your money............Sorry, you may be able to obe from teachings, but everything else is total BS, and I will confront anyone that claims different.

This guy really pisses me off, he may of had an OBE, but the rest is bull, or dream worlds created. For one no one talks about the most obvious feature when you OBE and can see the "real" world, or how they just somehow never had to learn how to move around, never scared of leaving body and can never actually help you, besides say goto RM place, hoping it would work for you, plus your thousands of dollars -_-  It just not like something you can just do automatically, because you read a book.

At best RM created a "world" that more and more people believe in, but I can assure you it is not a reality. It like going to heaven if you a Christian, and then later you find out it BS, cause it was all created by the human minds that believe in it. Human minds can create "levels" this guy created a fantasy and people followed, making it "real" on some level. If that, more probably people read that crap making your "dreams" make that real, not OBE.....and I will challenge anyone to a meeting place. Been to CP, NY and no-one nothing, and to his institute.....smh


Well, I hope that if one day you need help (here or there, no difference) that someone will be kind enough to help you, like most of us here provide help for others. Consciousness on all levels interact all the time.