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Title: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on March 15, 2015, 01:26:27
So do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again? Is it worth it to you?

Here in this video ABB talks about beings in the afterlife that come across as perceived savors and Gods which trick us into reincarnating into dense matter, when they clearly don't have to. Yet in order for them to ultimately learn they end up coming here over and over until they learn deep down inside of their being what is wrong and right.

Why Some of Us 'MUST BURN' To Learn
https://youtu.be/qypfaq5yJ7U


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Xanth on March 15, 2015, 03:04:20
There was a time, not to very long ago in fact, that I would have said "HELL NO, YOU COULDN'T PAY ME ENOUGH TO LIVE HERE AGAIN".
Well, after being on the path I have for the last few years, I can emphatically say "Yes, I'll be back".  Why?  Because I have *A LOT* of learning (Love) left to do and and I recognize that this physical reality (or another physical reality) is the absolute best learning environment for that spiritual growth to happen in.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: skeptic on March 15, 2015, 03:30:25
This is my last incarnation. Why i am so sure. Well first of all i have been strongly longing to go home (spirit world , the source) for several years now
i am a very old soul and also i had two readings from different sources that confirmed the idea of ending the cycle..
Do we have to go through hardship and suffering in order to learn and grow? IT is not my experience. I am not even sure that we have to learn and grow but that is another big subject. Often times when i feel whatever i feel (the only source i really trust) it feel like i already know everything so the whole life may well be a game of remembering the self.
So much fun!


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Rakkso on March 15, 2015, 06:01:31
This is my last incarnation. Why i am so sure. Well first of all i have been strongly longing to go home (spirit world , the source) for several years now
i am a very old soul and also i had two readings from different sources that confirmed the idea of ending the cycle..
Do we have to go through hardship and suffering in order to learn and grow? IT is not my experience. I am not even sure that we have to learn and grow but that is another big subject. Often times when i feel whatever i feel (the only source i really trust) it feel like i already know everything so the whole life may well be a game of remembering the self.
So much fun!

You could have more fun yet, you just gotta overcome obstacles. perhaps "remembering" or "relearning" a good idea on how to overcome obstacles is the best way to enjoy, and therefore grow and surpase life even more.

If you haven't had an experience in your life where perhaps you were with nothing to eat, you wouldn't learn the value of having even a soup to eat. or even more, the value of sharing your abundances with those that need just a tiny bit.

If you haven't had an experience where you are beated up, you wouldn't recognize the value of helping the one in need. You could see a fight and perhaps would think "what a weakling, he deserves it for lifting not". but since you had a bad experiece you yourself, you know how sad it feels, and then when you experience the opposite, you will absolutely value it and cherish it.

There can't be no good without bad. can't be no True joy without haven't first experiences the deepest sinking emotions at their maximun magnitudes. (magnitudes are relative of each one)


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: AAAAAAAA on March 16, 2015, 06:24:28
This will probably be my last [few] incarnations as well. I know what I need to know, but there's a couple of things I need to finish here. After that, I will probably be going back to my other home (not speaking of the the spirit world alone, but another place as well). I have learned to accept most of the people here, but I just feel like I'm not getting a lot of work done here relative to my other home.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Stillwater on March 16, 2015, 08:28:26
Eternity is a long time. Everything that can happen probably will.

I don't plan to return per se... but then I don't plan not to either  :wink:

There is sort of this line of reasoning in Mahayana Buddhism that merely not wanting to reincarnate is not a sufficient reason to prevent future reincarnations; in fact the strong desire not to reincarnate, rather than an indifference to the concept, may be indicative of the person retaining enough emotional baggage and attachments that they have not exhausted their full cycle. I don't necessarily subscribe to that view point, but I think it is an interesting thing for people to consider.

Spiritual one-ups-manship?

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kDso5ElFRg)  :-P


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Karxx Gxx on March 16, 2015, 13:18:13
Depending on what I achieve, a soft maybe. I want to change this world and help it, but If I do that now, then probably not. Unless I can be born as a 'God' to an extent to help this world. But more than likely I will just become a God, create my own reality or what have you, and live there as a 'regular' for the most part. To put it in perspective, maybe creating that t.v show, or that cartoon,  or anime you always wanted to be in, and doing just that. I feel like an old soul, but not as old as the oldest souls here. Maybe like a black-belt in some area, but not 7th degree black belt. I dont feel the need to learn everything here, as if its the best place for me to learn.   
Good question though  :-)


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Stillwater on March 16, 2015, 19:29:08
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Depending on what I achieve, a soft maybe. I want to change this world and help it, but If I do that now, then probably not. Unless I can be born as a 'God' to an extent to help this world.

I know what you mean. That is certainly a noble goal. But I have also often considered that maybe the world is the way it is for a very specific and purposeful reason, and if it were changed substantially, it would no longer fulfill that reason. That is sort of a fatalist outlook, but perhaps things have been so arranged so as to give those experiencing this world a very particular program.

But then again, maybe not!


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on March 16, 2015, 22:38:02
Personally I love my life, though it wasn't always like that, but for the most part I have always loved my self and my life with the good and the bad. If I do reincarnate I would have to feel like it is worth it. Like I don't want to come back for some lame reason, in a messed up life. I will only come back if there is a good chance of overcoming. I know that I am an old soul that has not fulfilled my life's mission unfortunately. But I am still young and plan on making the best of the rest of my time here.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Xanth on March 16, 2015, 22:51:44
One needs to learn that you always have the ability to overcome your situation with Love.  ALWAYS.



Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Stillwater on March 16, 2015, 22:53:44
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Like I don't want to come back for some lame reason, in a messed up life.

Just speculating out loud here again, but then maybe what you view as another person's messed up life from your current perspective is a literal diamond mine of rich experiences from the perspective of a being planning these existences.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Kzaal on March 17, 2015, 02:10:43
Just speculating out loud here again, but then maybe what you view as another person's messed up life from your current perspective is a literal diamond mine of rich experiences from the perspective of a being planning these existences.

This... so much.
Even for myself who had like really BAD experiences and I mean, drug problems when I was young, problems with the justice system (lawsuits etc.), incarceration, and even asylum for psychiatric evaluation... I was able to overcome all these problems and personally, even if they are really bad memories, the experience and all the information/solutions to my problems were a gold mine...

I believe someone who's been through all that and is homeless, would have even more experience and life teachings than I do but it really depends on if that persons overcomes it, or if he/she actually learn from it and his errors...


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Xanth on March 17, 2015, 02:14:12
And that's a great point, when we place a value judgment on others like that, we usually do it from a position of comparison from our own lives.

What I meant in my last post was that, (for example) say someone born into the slums of India, by comparison you could probably say that you'd never wish that kind of life upon yourself... but then that's a value judgment you're making, meanwhile, that individual might have a *HARD* life, yes, but their life could also be full of Love.

I watched a documentary a few weeks ago called "Living on One Dollar" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2625598/?ref_=nv_sr_2).
It's about a group of Americans who went to Guatemala to live there for 2 months on only what they could earn while there... and it was very eye-opening.  Most of these people, by our standards, live in extreme poverty (a lot living on only one dollar a day), however a lot of them also live in great Love too.  Love for their friends, their family, their community, etc.  There's probably more Love to be found in that single village in Guatemala than I've seen in a lifetime of living here in Canada.  You get to see how people come together for the greater good of themselves and everyone around them.  Very heartwarming and inspiring and shows you how even the smallest change can make a huge difference in even a single life.

If you have some time, I'd highly suggest watching it.  It's on Netflix.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Volgerle on March 17, 2015, 03:39:48
Actually, I believe that whatever we decide about '(not) coming back again' here has no impact on our decision on the other side. It does not matter what we 'decide' here. This decision would be part of our karmic or emotional load we carry with us. It does not matter.

Why? Because you are not your ego self back 'over there'. You have a different overview (to quote Monroe out of context a little) then. What you decide there (or is decided with/for you) is relevant, not here.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Xanth on March 17, 2015, 03:53:27
Actually, I believe that whatever we decide about '(not) coming back again' here has no impact on our decision on the other side. It does not matter what we 'decide' here. This decision would be part of our karmic or emotional load we carry with us. It does not matter.

Why? Because you are not your ego self back 'over there'. You have a different overview (to quote Monroe out of context a little) then. What you decide there (or is decided with/for you) is relevant, not here.
I can fully concurr with this.  Definitely.  :)


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Stillwater on March 17, 2015, 04:14:40
Yep, makes sense enough to me too. For instance, to use the computer game metaphor, when you are through being Mario in the game (this existence), you don't really retain Mario's perspective, preferences, or personality type afterward. You don't turn off the game, and then want to go eat a giant plate of spaghetti or something.

That is how I picture it too at least.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Zecora on March 17, 2015, 20:27:02
On an egoic/surface-conscious level, no.  But then I've also had experiences where it doesn't really matter or I'm really not ready. 

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Actually, I believe that whatever we decide about '(not) coming back again' here has no impact on our decision on the other side. It does not matter what we 'decide' here. This decision would be part of our karmic or emotional load we carry with us. It does not matter.
I've had several experiences with my higher self, and guides, whom also said similar.  Also, my higher self had told me that there are times where I am told to incarnate, where needed on, an infinite basis(akin to on-call or stand-by).  My higher self also told me I have alot more lessons to learn to do the things I want, etc. 

In my inexperience, things are very different in a non-physical environment, no-time, no-space, pure thought; when I experience those whilst projecting I still may hop back into my body or hold a dual awareness between sleeping body in bed, and projecting.  I imagine if I was ready to stay out of physical, I'll need to leave my comfort blanket of a body or that reassurance of a body behind.

But I figure, hedge my bets in my favor irregardless, then I'll have awesome experiences(life) irregardless of place, space, or time(or not).


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Astir on April 19, 2015, 20:19:46
No.  Never.  Burning up the last of my karma in this life.  If I could have known how painful this last one would be...I would have divided it into three, at least.  The worst hasn't even happened yet. 


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: BranStark on April 20, 2015, 01:48:17
No.  Never.  Burning up the last of my karma in this life.  If I could have known how painful this last one would be...I would have divided it into three, at least.  The worst hasn't even happened yet. 

How could you possibly know all of the above, without being able to look at the whole picture outside of your current life?


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Xanth on April 20, 2015, 09:05:14
How could you possibly know all of the above, without being able to look at the whole picture outside of your current life?
Ego


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: LightBeam on April 20, 2015, 09:15:20
All of us think through the limited view of the human personalities. Even if we AP, we are still very strongly connected to it. We can't possibly know at the moment what our spirit as whole needs. Of course no one would want to experience again the hardship of this world, but again this is just us humans evaluating things through fears and survival instincts, ego, etc. Challenges continue in other realities as well. Even if not human and on tie earth, if your spirit needs a lesson, you will still need to face hardship in another set up.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Szaxx on April 20, 2015, 12:05:46

How could you possibly know all of the above, without being able to look at the whole picture outside of your current life?


We are one box here out of many we are. In the end we may all be in one box.
Collective conscious and the source.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Xanth on April 20, 2015, 18:55:23
And remember, pain and hardship are temporary experiences in themselves... and ultimately, the pain and hardship themselves is meaningless... what's important is how you act/react to them.  Love or Fear.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: aspirine101 on May 18, 2015, 22:13:02
I'll drop my opinion here.

I don't know if what I want matters in the end, but no, I don't plan on reincarnating here again. Everything here is boring, I don't learn anything here, this reality is what keeps me caged from learning anything.
If we come here to learn, why is it that through history people did their best to hide important information as soon as it came up? People were getting killed for spreading that information. Libraries full of this information which was gathered throughout the years were burned to ashes.

"If you haven't had an experience in your life where perhaps you were with nothing to eat, you wouldn't learn the value of having even a soup to eat."
Have you thought for a moment that food was not supposed to have any value in the first place? Its natural, its to feel animals' basic needs, you can't exist without food. In my opinion the "food has value" thing is something invented by humans to make you be grateful that you can feel your MOST BASIC needs. So that you have to work for other people so they can give you those little bits of money so you can feed yourself and then you need to also be grateful for that. It's a simple slave/master game.

If we come here to learn... Why is it that all the knowledge we've got in our past lives is forgotten? It begins to seem to me there's some kind of evil involved here, but then if there's really evil involved how far does it reach? Does it corrupt everything? Therefore is there really no good without evil (hate that statement so much) and therefore are we all doomed? I don't believe that either. This is too much of a confusing thing to think about and thinking about it will lead nowhere.

Those were my 2 cents. Would like to see what you guys think about what I said.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Dreamshards on May 18, 2015, 23:13:05
I personally have learned a lot on this earth and in this lifetime. I don't think this world is boring one bit and wouldn't mind having another life to explore the beauties of this earth. If the universe believes I have more to learn here before going somewhere else then I trust that decision.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Trepkos on May 19, 2015, 01:19:14
I think as long as we have dreams we can't realize in this lifetime on earth, we will realize them in the next life on earth. A final incarnation usually has dreams that reach the stars and other planets. I think most people who visit this forum a lot have such dreams. But there is work to do on the inner planes. It is possible that the following paths can be treaded:

the path of earth service
the path of magnetic work
the path of training for planetary logos
the path to sirius
the ray path
the path the logos himself is on
the path of absolute sonship

I don't know if these paths can be treaded after physical dead by one who has "dreams that reach to the stars", but according to theosophical teachings, the fifth initiation has to be reached.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: FuzzyQuills on May 21, 2015, 09:50:53
Since I have no idea if reincarnation really does happen or not, I can't say how old my soul might be. But...

If I were given a choice to reincarnate I probably wouldn't, simply because I rather not lose my memory! :D I would happily just fly free of a physical body once I leave! :)


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: no_leaf_clover on June 07, 2015, 12:05:15
I kind of like it here actually.  So there's a pretty good chance I will be having more of these human experiences here.  :)

At the same time, I feel as though the kind of person who would say, "Hell no, I'm never coming back to this hell-hole again" will probably have unresolved issues and emotional attachments that will not allow them to detach from this particular area of experience.  It's kind of like the saying that hate is not really the opposite of love, because there is still too much invested emotion in another person.  Complete indifference is the real opposite.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Kzaal on June 12, 2015, 09:56:10
To me... I gotta say it, reincarnating 1 more time across a billion reincarnations, what does it change? nothing lol...

Took me quite a long time to get this through my mind, when I was 18, I was really frustrated at the Universe about reincarnation and that I would've had to come back here... Eventually you tell yourself: What if I've reincarnated a billion times already and I don't remember and never will? Why should I care, just try to enjoy this life as much as you can, live in the present, and same thing in your next life.

If you ever stop reincarnating here and ascend into the immortal, eternal, never-ending celestial being which transcend time in order to do energy works and astral and physical good then that's GREAT.
I do hope for that for sure, but if it's not for that reincarnation, maybe the other one... or maybe the one in the next 1 billion cycles... Anyway if you always forget, you won't feel it. You might get that feeling like me that I've been here way too many times but then again like I said, eventually you just don't care anymore.

Guess there's always a little something we need to learn... Or maybe it's just that we have to stay here a precise number of times even if you have succeeded in learning all there is to learn... Like some Taoist stories said that you had to stay like a thousand lives after you had changed your yin into pure yang energy...

I really like that explanation tho I've read it a lot of times and still think it would make sense:

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The Zhong Lü Chuan Dao Ji  lists five classes of immortals:


Guǐxiān (鬼仙—"Ghost Immortal"): A person who cultivates too much yin energy. These immortals are likened to Vampires because they drain the life essence of the living, much like the fox spirit. Ghost immortals do not leave the realm of ghosts.

Rénxiān (人仙—Human Immortal”): Humans have an equal balance of yin and yang energies, so they have the potential of becoming either a ghost or immortal. Although they continue to hunger and thirst and require clothing and shelter like a normal human, these immortals do not suffer from aging or sickness. Human immortals do not leave the realm of humans. There are many sub-classes of human immortals, as discussed above under Shījiě xiān.

Dìxiān (地仙—“Earth Immortal”): When the yin is transformed into the pure yang, a true immortal body will emerge that does not need food, drink, clothing or shelter and is not affected by hot or cold temperatures. Earth immortals do not leave the realm of earth. These immortals are forced to stay on earth until they shed their human form.

Shénxiān (神仙—"Spirit Immortal"): The immortal body of the earthbound class will eventually change into vapor through further practice. They have supernatural powers and can take on the shape of any object. These immortals must remain on earth acquiring merit by teaching mankind about the Tao. Spirit immortals do not leave the realm of spirits. Once enough merit is accumulated, they are called to heaven by a celestial decree.

Tiānxiān (天仙—“Celestial Immortal”): Spirit immortals who are summoned to heaven are given the minor office of water realm judge. Over time, they are promoted to oversee the earth realm and finally become administrators of the celestial realm. These immortals have the power to travel back and forth between the earthly and celestial realms.




Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Xanth on June 12, 2015, 17:17:48
To me... I gotta say it, reincarnating 1 more time across a billion reincarnations, what does it change? nothing lol...
YOU are 100% in the drivers seat regarding your own spiritual growth. 
So what *CAN* one more lifetime change for yourself?  As much or as little as you want.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Kzaal on June 14, 2015, 08:25:38
YOU are 100% in the drivers seat regarding your own spiritual growth. 
So what *CAN* one more lifetime change for yourself?  As much or as little as you want.

This is exactly what people should have in mind. You are always in control, you always decide if you want to do good or bad. And also the effort you want to put in it.
If reincarnation is based on your acts of goodness, either are they noted by a spiritual being of higher rank or by yourself spiritually, then it would only be natural to do as much as you can and exceed your expectations in order to achieve that ascension.
It's not easy to do, you know... Finding good things to do, being a Hero of some sort or whatever, but it's not about Heroism, unless you want it.
But it starts with small thoughts, then eventually your attitude toward people change and you become a better person.
Life doesn't always give you what you want in order to do all the good things you wish you did. But we do with what life gives us.
I think like I said... It depends on the greatest act of goodness you can pull off in your life.

I'm sure someone who would do an amazing thing to help people around him would advance in his spiritual reincarnation.
That goes until you ascend and probably beyond because you'll still have to help.
To me it's the only thing I can see in the end, because, we can be engineers, mathematicians, scientists, or any kind of job we want. We can learn everything about this world, music, etc.
But in the end, when we have learned everything that is let's say "unnecessary" about life, in this one or the past lives, then we are left to learn the most important thing which is Love, valors, and morals/ethics and all that will always stay the same. Universe Laws. "The Truth" that we all seek.
The spiritual path to enlightenment.
To me, I think we all learn the simple things first. We can have a life full of prosperity and knowledge but we're still sad or we are hateful/angry about life...
I think eventually we learn 1 big lesson from life or 1 of the many valors, until eventually we have learned all the valors in every life and we are faced with the life that is a gathering of all the valors together. An Ultimate test in order to see if you understood all of theses. That and a test to see if you can include Love into this small amount of time that you are given for your last reincarnation.

I can't think of anything else beside, taking a path that no one has gone before, not even yourself in your past lives.

Kzaal.


Title: Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again?
Post by: Astir on June 17, 2015, 06:22:07
How could you possibly know all of the above, without being able to look at the whole picture outside of your current life?


When you are very ill, you can see into that of which others cannot.  It is a different reality.  You wouldn't ask how...if you could imagine that kind of life.  Born sick, walking down a path into more illnesses and diseases than a doctor has ever seen in one body. 

Yet, I know I have experienced all of the goodness and beauty over so many lives...it becomes sort of okay to suffer every single day.  Watching people turn away, because they don't know how to be near you anymore, without experiencing pain themselves. 

Everything crumbles eventually. 
The final life is a long, slow death. 
I know I deserve peace after...