The Astral Pulse

I was watching Robert Monroe's Out of Body Experience video on youtube, i will post a link for you guys to watch, he talks about how humans as spiritual beings do not originate from this earth and when we depart we go back to the 4th density. Wiccans call it Summerland. Whats everyone's take on this?


Robert Monroe's Out of Body Experiences
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBii06UyWwY

Robert Monroe said he came from a world that was boring , so he came hear to the earth . 

Relatively speaking.
When you exist "forever"... what was once fun the first time, gets a tad tedious after an infinite number of times.
How much fun can one have doing *everything* over and over and over.  :)

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Spiritual mediums say it looks like that.

In a inter view posted on you tube by Robert Monroe he said he thought of home . Home was a world where you could watch the clouds and hear this music . Over a long peorid of time the music and clouds would repeat making it boring .  So he could not go back home , or he wanted more excitement . If I find a link to that you tube video , I will post it .
p.s. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEwshB9gpfQ

And there is a lot of truth in that statement.

Take Pi (3.14) for example.  It's a number that never has an ending.  In that number you can find *EVERYTHING* that has ever happened... in numerical form, that is.  :)
So, in infinite... everything happens, if you ARE infinite experiencing the infinite... you're going to have a bad time, eventually.  LoL

Perception is individual.

I dont think as a spirit I'm from Earth, but I dont remember much about anything else. Maybe I'm nomadic, forever travelling through places and dimensions and shapes and forms of reality. We dont have to have any home. What is a home for? What does a spirit need that it cant find while travelling?

Beavis , you do sound like a nomad searching for answers . 

In many things we alternate between times of questions and times of action. When your new questions have less interesting answers than your earlier questions, actions start being the way to go. Eventually when your new actions dont have as much effect as your earlier actions, its time to question again.

I'm generally satisfied with my understanding of what the universe is and why its here but still have questions about how to use it. All reality follows from the shape of nonexistence being exactly the same shape as all possible things together, since they both cancel out except one is made of "something" and the other made of "nothing", but something and nothing are only labels which cant change its content so they equal. I want to experiment with networking minds together (both metaphysical and kinds organized by statistics in fluid-like games that access subconscious psychology), and this could happen at Earth or even after death of my body this still interests me enough to continue it out there.

Just because you dont know where you are doesnt mean you've lost your path in choosing what to do.

Our spirits experience so many different types of characters simultaneously in different time periods, dimensions, planets, worlds, etc. But all that is in the multiverse, therefore if you look at the  multiverse as one house, and the places you enter temporarily as rooms, then you have never left home. Our home is where our experiences take place. Home does not need to be one specific place. There will be no progress, if we situate ourselves in one place where we feel comfortable. And I agree that it will eventually become boring. I have visited so many beautiful worlds and every time I think, I can live here forever. But then I visit another beautiful world and I think, wow, if I haven't left that other place, I would have never seen this one. If we realize that ALL THAT IS is our home and our right to be and explore, then we will remove one very big limitation and we will feel happy in every aspect of our existence and have a sense of belonging. Many people don't, they always search for "home" but never find it. That limits the person of fully experiencing the current reality and personality. All spirits as "individuals" originate from ALL THAT IS and our experiences and created diversity is for growth and experience of many things, but all that takes place within ALL THAT IS (home), whether we realize it or not.

Home is where the heart is.
At heart we are all concious so...

I want to know about the place that we come from before we to earth.

Szaxx said it.  "Home is where the heart is."

Where's your heart?  It should be everywhere. 

The longing is for where we came from, what we once considered home. The curiosity is for where we are going, what is natural to believe is our future home. A certain degree of anxiety lies in between, during our evolution from one to the other.

There apparently are many streams of evolution occurring and multiple groups of consciousness are participating; Earth seems to be a unique place for part of these evolutions.

So, we come from many different places, from many former homes.

Truth is, it's all consciousness; therefore it's all home.

The physical is like Mount Everest, people go there to challenge themselves, short of oxigen, possible death by freezing, possible death by falling, being buried in an avalanche and yet many want to experience that.  We come to earth to experience limitation, just a challenge to conquer

On the earth there is a much different idea . It was found by Robert Monroe . It is loosh . While out of body he was given a peice of info . It was why life on earth was set up . Loosh is given off in the life death strugle by all living beings . We are like milk cows . I dont believe me, or any one else on this forum has a discussion on loosh .  If interested I can start a seperate thread .  I started one on the now closed Pavlina forum and I have one on s.f. but its in a members only sec.

Feel free.  :)

I'll chime in.

There is a thread on the topic of "loosh" found on this very Forum. Check it out.
 http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_integral_philosophy/loosh_and_folk_stories_of_cruel_and_compassionate_creators-t29462.0.html

That post was from 2009 . I started a new post . I wanted to post some links .  This post is on Robert Monroe , and about the earth , so I thought it was revelent . 

Are earth mums and spirit mums the same?

Is it right to assume that one's mum is not a persons mum since you are using her as delivery method to be incarnated into a body for use on this plane? has anyone got any good theories surrounding this?

I think you are confusing what are know to some as guard angels with a ghost of a mother that choses  to stay around her kids . I have scene and been helped by guarding  angels a few times . I dont know if they were my angle or some one elses angels . 

I mean the reproduction process, like how do you stay attached to the physical body? surely there must be some process that takes place where the soul if thats what you want to call it is attached to the physical body, maybe before or during birth? also the access point to the body might be the top of the head. Raymond Moody who does a lot of research on NDE says a few of his subjects have told similar stories about people coming back from within the tunnel within the light and being forced back into the body through the top of the head.


do you think that is a crazy theory :-o

From my own perspective... you and everything (and everyone) is consciousness.  What you "see" what you look around is nothing but data.  None of it is "objective".  What I mean by that is that none of what you see actually exists.  It's all just data.

So you're not "attached" to anything.  You are everything.  You don't enter your body, you don't leave your body.  Your body is part of the consciousness that is everything.  It can be as animated as it is now... or as in-animated as a rock or a lump of coal.  You're not connected through the "top of your head", because you don't have a "top of your head".  :)

I think a few moms chose to stay around as a ghost . To protect kids or watch them grow up . With an N.D.E. the person  is not a ghost , they get to come back and tell there story .  I dont believe Raymond Moody has been discussed hear much , but Sam Prana has. Both have done N.D.E. work . 

So its like the computer game The Sims, where the sim is surrounded by data ie everything he can see around him but he thinks he is separate from this data but in his case its the GPU/CPU that executes the program that he is part of but he simply does not realise he is part of the program, is the program. Is that somewhat right?

So we are currently interacting with this data? is it everything we see around us? 

For the most part, yes.  The "video game" analogy works perfectly.  Tom Campbell uses it often.

If you look at a video game, when you play it, on the screen things look very real... but when you REALLY look at the game, you look at what's going on behind the "virtual reality" it creates, all it is is code and data.  Our reality and everything you experience while non-physical is the same.  What you experience while you're physically awake is a "rendered scene" based upon the data (which is the ONLY objective part of the reality). 

Fun eh?

i already seen some of Tom Campbell's videos on youtube, he seems to know what he is talking about, strange how he has such a great understanding of the subject, do you think one of our goals is to gain a greater understanding of it?

While knowing the name of the game you're playing here CAN and DOES help you to grow... at the same time, it's not required in regards to "why" you're here.
Our goal here (again, via MY perspective) is to grow spiritually, becoming a more Loving consciousness.  You do this through your interactions with other consciousnesses here (or elsewhere really).

You can drive a car just fine without ever knowing what's going on under the hood.  :)

Just treat everyone with as much Love and respect you can, allow everyone/everything to be as they are... and you'll be on the fast track.

Definitely heard the video game example before, but I think the matrix fits well too, simply because any form of kinesis ability can be akin to "hacking" the "physics engine" of our world, just like how Neo is able to fly by just manipulating code in the matrix.

Hey can you talk about loosh desert-rat? I want to know more about it.

Read Monroe's second book.  That's, entirely, where the concept comes from.

I don't have time now that I am in college full time. Can someone give a summary about it?

If I remember correctly, it's ONE CHAPTER of around 10 pages... if you can't read that yourself, then you don't deserve to know.  ;)

And when you get around to reading it, remember that, it's a concept long gone from his third book... why?  Because in his third (and final) book, he realized the belief/expectation relationship of projections.

OK I found a definition for Loosh, but why did he change it in his last book?

He didn't "change" it at all.  He omitted it completely.  It's a belief-based concept which he interpreted as being objective during those days.

Gotcha.

Just another name for Eden or Heaven  :-)