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Title: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 23, 2017, 04:25:27
I am considering this option for myself. My family lives at the poverty to low middle class income level. Would taking out a high life insurance policy for my family for 10 million dollars then committing a peaceful suicide in 2 years later once the suicide clause exuding suicide in the insurance policy expires, would that count for a good karma? It would be like dying a martyr wouldn't it? That is dying for the sake of others that they might have life more abundantly. A very noble altruistic thing to do wouldn't it be? It would be totally legal. IMO it would be good karma as long as it was a peaceful death and done selfishly, and if I lived a good part of their life, and did most all that I could while here. Which is about where I am at.  :-)

EDIT: This is about giving my family opportunities not money just for the sake of money.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 23, 2017, 04:33:16
BTW Xanth when I first heard of this I knew at that moment that this was what I wanted to do. There was no hesitation. I knew that I could help my family far more than me living out the rest of my life. So yeah I didn't have to think it through. I'm only posting here to get the thoughts of astral projectors on this, cause I look up to yous.  :-D


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: EscapeVelocity on August 23, 2017, 05:45:08
I think that it is a bad idea for several reasons.

1- It is not, as you think, totally legal. You would be committing willful fraud against an insurance company, despite it's disclaimers. You have, in fact, declared your intent to do that here. With some due diligence, their lawyers might learn this through discovery and therefore argue to void your estate's claim.

2- A $10 million dollar policy would no doubt put your family through a year or more of litigation of the claim, potentially costing them thousands...the pain and suffering that might involve for them?

From a possibly more spiritual perspective-

3- Why would you suppose that you know better than each individual member of your family, what their choice for this incarnation might involve? Maybe they did actually choose the lives they are currently in...and they have no need, nor desire for someone to shove substantial wealth upon them? To possibly complicate things more than they already are for them?

Do you ascribe that power and that right to yourself?

4,5,6 etc- A choice resulting in a difficult personal karmic path...

It doesn't come across to me as an unselfish or noble act...actually more the opposite.

In my own experience, I know how difficult it can be. I hope you take some time to consider alternatives and move beyond this...there is always better.

EV


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Kzaal on August 23, 2017, 06:14:34
Adding to what EscapeVelocity said:

Do you think that your family (even if there was a chance that it worked out) would be glad that they were using the money they had from your suicide?
They would have constant regrets. They would never say: -I'm glad that happened after all.
They would feel terrible ever time they touched a dime from your suicide. Specifically if they somehow found out that you did that for them.
I would be ticked at my sister if she did that for my family, even if we were homeless.

Besides Life Insurance companies do check stuff like that...
I'm sure your family would be much happier seeing you succeed in life than crying at your funerals and having to grief.
To me this would be very bad Karma.

Edit: another thing I might add as I'm reading this post again. Karma is not just about money or just helping others financially. It's about helping them emotionally.
Suicide is never good karma in my eyes.

You're looking for a solution to your problem and you saw that shiny goldmine from the insurance company. Trust me when things look too good to be true it probably is.
You have to think this through.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: ThaomasOfGrey on August 23, 2017, 06:50:57
I am considering this option for myself. My family lives at the poverty to low middle class income level. Would taking out a high life insurance policy for my family for 10 million dollars then committing a peaceful suicide in 2 years later once the suicide clause exuding suicide in the insurance policy expires, would that count for a good karma? It would be like dying a martyr wouldn't it? That is dying for the sake of others that they might have life more abundantly. A very noble altruistic thing to do wouldn't it be? It would be totally legal. IMO it would be good karma as long as it was a peaceful death and done selfishly, and if I lived a good part of their life, and did most all that I could while here. Which is about where I am at.  :-)

My best friend from high school successfully executed this plan and got close to $400,000 for his daughter out of it. I don't think he did it to be a martyr, more to make the most out of his intention to end his life.

He hated the money system and felt doomed to work as a slave to society for the rest of his life. At that point in time I basically thought the same way, that it would be better to be dead than spend 40 hours a week doing something you hate, so I didn't try to stop him or talk him out of it.

Now my view is that suicide is _usually_ an unsuccessful attempt to evade a problem that must be faced one way or another.

Ultimately, sometimes knowingly dying is the correct or high consciousness choice for the scenario - I guess Jesus is the easiest example.

What you have to ask yourself is whether your family really needs this money more than they could profit from your existence here. I think you will find it is difficult to argue that your family would experience more spiritual growth as a result of either your suicide or gaining the money.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Xanth on August 23, 2017, 13:13:17
First, I want to make it 100% clear that we *DO NOT*, in any way, shape or form, condone suicide.  If you're perfectly healthy and have a long life ahead of you, then it's not glorious, you're not helping anyone but yourself.  It's a purely ego move.  Nothing more.

It's more noble to live the life you've been gifted to the fullest extent that you're able to.

I'm sure if you gave your family the option, they'd much rather have your presence in their life than money.  When are people going to learn that you can't buy happiness.  *sigh*
When all that money is gone, they're still out a loved family member.  

So you have to ask yourself this... do you do it to help?  Or, are you ultimately just trying to escape something with an easy out for yourself?  Intent.
Because your act has repercussions for not only you AFTER you're gone, but for your family for a very long time after as well.  



Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: baro-san on August 23, 2017, 16:03:27
I am considering this option for myself. My family lives at the poverty to low middle class income level. Would taking out a high life insurance policy for my family for 10 million dollars then committing a peaceful suicide in 2 years later once the suicide clause exuding suicide in the insurance policy expires, would that count for a good karma? It would be like dying a martyr wouldn't it? That is dying for the sake of others that they might have life more abundantly. A very noble altruistic thing to do wouldn't it be? It would be totally legal. IMO it would be good karma as long as it was a peaceful death and done selfishly, and if I lived a good part of their life, and did most all that I could while here. Which is about where I am at.  :-)

I guess, if you do it for them, not for your karma, it's a good intention. If you (also) do it for your karma, it is a little less selfless and less good.

Karma traces form for each thought, desire, action. When you have good intentions, but your actions have bad results you still incur some bad karma. Ignorance and bad judgement aren't excuses; they have to be corrected too, not only intentions and desires.

In your case, your good intentions may have bad consequences, for your family or others.

We think and talk about "good" and "bad", but these are relative terms, limited by our bias, perception, ignorance, etc., and ultimately our Earth-centric thinking.

I understand and sympathize with your wish to sacrifice for your loved ones, but you can't know what will be the consequences for your family and others. An awful scenario: your family gets the money, that attracts the attention of some violent criminals, ...


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 23, 2017, 21:10:38
I'm probably one of the most controversial users ever on this forum. LOL

I feel like I'm talking to a group of pro-lifer's rather than a group of astral projectors. LOL

I have told my family that I am going to exit life on my terms with a peaceful suicide method when I am an old man. They are OK with that. They don't know that I've potentially changed the date right now though.

This video pretty much sums up my view on suicide.

Let people kill themselves
https://youtu.be/ojvbww0T0-Q

BTW I am not depressed, so that isn't the issue here. Though I would almost say that I've failed to thrive. This is about giving my family a chance to thrive and beat the odds stacked against them. This isn't about money in of itself. It's the opportunities it will unlock for them.

I'll give a million dollars to the first one that comes to my place and gives me private lessons on how to astral project. LOL  Sorry I couldn't resist another joke.  :-) More replies are coming.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 23, 2017, 21:11:19
I think that it is a bad idea for several reasons.

1- It is not, as you think, totally legal. You would be committing willful fraud against an insurance company, despite it's disclaimers. You have, in fact, declared your intent to do that here. With some due diligence, their lawyers might learn this through discovery and therefore argue to void your estate's claim.

Most life insurance policies over two years do in fact cover suicide. Yes suicide is intentional which is why insurance companies make people wait 2 years before giving out benefits. I've researched this I know.

2- A $10 million dollar policy would no doubt put your family through a year or more of litigation of the claim, potentially costing them thousands...the pain and suffering that might involve for them?

One of my brothers makes good money so if any problems arise he can win the case for them. Besides the only way that the insurance company can win in court is if the suicide is under two years, or I mislead them on the application about my medical history which I won't do.

From a possibly more spiritual perspective-

3- Why would you suppose that you know better than each individual member of your family, what their choice for this incarnation might involve? Maybe they did actually choose the lives they are currently in...and they have no need, nor desire for someone to shove substantial wealth upon them? To possibly complicate things more than they already are for them?

We can suppose many things about why they choose this incarnation, but the only thing we can do is measure their suffering now and if they are suffering we can relieve that suffering and one way to do that is with money.

EDIT: I'll also add here that it's more about giving them opportunities too.

Do you ascribe that power and that right to yourself?

Absolutely, we have the ability to decide when to make a life in good timing under ideal circumstances, and we have the ability to decide when to take a life under good timing and ideal circumstances, one example being doctor assisted suicide.

It doesn't come across to me as an unselfish or noble act...actually more the opposite.

If that is your personal intent then that is your personal effect.

In my own experience, I know how difficult it can be. I hope you take some time to consider alternatives and move beyond this...there is always better.

EV
I am open to other alternatives. But I doubt a better one than this will come along.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 23, 2017, 21:13:12
Adding to what EscapeVelocity said:

Do you think that your family (even if there was a chance that it worked out) would be glad that they were using the money they had from your suicide?

Yes and no, they would be sad that I died, but they would be glad that I was looking out for them with the life insurance policy. It's a complicated question. It's like asking if someone that benefited form their grandmas last will and testament if they are happy about it. They would probably give a similar answer.

They would have constant regrets. They would never say: -I'm glad that happened after all.
They would feel terrible ever time they touched a dime from your suicide. Specifically if they somehow found out that you did that for them.

That might be true if I had children of my own, but I don't have children or a wife, I don't even have a girlfriend. I can barely work a job, and I've been more of a burden to my family than a benefit. This is the best way that I can rectify my past with the future. When they go and buy their new home with that money they will say to themselves "what a brave moral principled soul he was to do that for us." "They will envy me and my courage." And I don't say that boastfully. I say that because I genuinely want to help them. It would be similar to a solider that jumped on a grenade to save his comrades in battle. And yes if I do do this I will write a letter specifically saying why I did it so that they will have the proper frame of reference for how to deal with it.


I would be ticked at my sister if she did that for my family, even if we were homeless.

Why aren't you being ungrateful if she loved you that much?

EDIT: I take that back. IDK your sister's situation. But if your sister has been through what I've been through then really you should be understanding and grateful. But chances are she hasn't and if she's healthy and can take on the world and overcome then yeah then yeah you would have reason to be upset for a while.

Besides Life Insurance companies do check stuff like that...
I'm sure your family would be much happier seeing you succeed in life than crying at your funerals and having to grief.
To me this would be very bad Karma.

They would be crying at my funeral someday anyway.

Edit: another thing I might add as I'm reading this post again. Karma is not just about money or just helping others financially. It's about helping them emotionally.
Suicide is never good karma in my eyes.

What about doctor assisted suicide in states where it's legal?

You're looking for a solution to your problem and you saw that shiny goldmine from the insurance company.

LOL your talking like I'm going to be cashing out on this money. IMO this is one of the most selfless things someone can do for someone else.

Trust me when things look too good to be true it probably is.
You have to think this through.
I don't know if I will follow through with this whole thing yet, I mean it's quite a process, I'll see.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 23, 2017, 21:14:07
My best friend from high school successfully executed this plan and got close to $400,000 for his daughter out of it. I don't think he did it to be a martyr, more to make the most out of his intention to end his life.

He hated the money system and felt doomed to work as a slave to society for the rest of his life. At that point in time I basically thought the same way, that it would be better to be dead than spend 40 hours a week doing something you hate, so I didn't try to stop him or talk him out of it.

Now my view is that suicide is _usually_ an unsuccessful attempt to evade a problem that must be faced one way or another.

I am way too smart to have anything other than a peaceful successful death. I've done the research on it while being depressed. Even though I am no longer depressed I still am sympathetic to those to do commit suicide.

Ultimately, sometimes knowingly dying is the correct or high consciousness choice for the scenario - I guess Jesus is the easiest example.

Finally someone that sort of sees it the way I do. OK perhaps not fully, but you get the underlying concept.

What you have to ask yourself is whether your family really needs this money more than they could profit from your existence here. I think you will find it is difficult to argue that your family would experience more spiritual growth as a result of either your suicide or gaining the money.
Your thinking is very close to the way I think. Only thing is that I don't view spiritual growth as a huge factor. I do view natural secular thinking as growth too. Spiritual growth is important, but not a necessity. I think I can create much more general growth if I go the way of the martyr.

Who knows though, in the end I may not even do this, only time will tell.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 23, 2017, 21:15:22
First, I want to make it 100% clear that we *DO NOT*, in any way, shape or form, condone suicide.  If you're perfectly healthy and have a long life ahead of you, then it's not glorious, you're not helping anyone but yourself.  It's a purely ego move.  Nothing more.

Was Jesus' death purely an ego move?

It's more noble to live the life you've been gifted to the fullest extent that you're able to.

I'm sure if you gave your family the option, they'd much rather have your presence in their life than money.

Xanth your too nice, my life is very valuable, but I know things about myself and see things that are coming that you don't.

When are people going to learn that you can't buy happiness.  *sigh*

It's not about buying happiness, it's about buying opportunities.

So you have to ask yourself this... do you do it to help?

Absolutely, that is the main point. I am not depressed doing it for selfish reasons. And even if I was depressed I could certainly argue that it's still justified to take my life even if I'm depressed.

Or, are you ultimately just trying to escape something with an easy out for yourself?  Intent.

Well considering that I already tried very hard to go the long hard route and that never worked, I don't have very many options to help the ones that I love and right my wrongs in the process.

Because your act has repercussions for not only you AFTER you're gone, but for your family for a very long time after as well.
Well I've got a lot of time to think about it. So there is no rush right now. I may not even do it in the end, IDK, but as of right now it looks like a good option.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 23, 2017, 21:16:06
I guess, if you do it for them, not for your karma, it's a good intention. If you (also) do it for your karma, it is a little less selfless and less good.

Well I can certainly go into reasons why it wouldn't be a selfish thing to do, but it would be way to controversial for me to mention here.

Karma traces form for each thought, desire, action. When you have good intentions, but your actions have bad results you still incur some bad karma. Ignorance and bad judgement aren't excuses; they have to be corrected too, not only intentions and desires.

In your case, your good intentions may have bad consequences, for your family or others.

We think and talk about "good" and "bad", but these are relative terms, limited by our bias, perception, ignorance, etc., and ultimately our Earth-centric thinking.

Yes I am aware. But I think the benefits outweigh the risks in my case.

I understand and sympathize with your wish to sacrifice for your loved ones, but you can't know what will be the consequences for your family and others. An awful scenario: your family gets the money, that attracts the attention of some violent criminals, ...
That was making sense up until you started talking about violent criminals, which is unlikely. In fact it's the poor that are more at risk of being around violent people. Thanks for chiming in baro-san.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: baro-san on August 23, 2017, 22:19:58
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That was making sense up until you started talking about violent criminals, which is unlikely. In fact it's the poor that are more at risk of being around violent people. Thanks for chiming in baro-san.

Your original post reminded me of several instances of murders for profit, in which whole families were tortured and killed. The first one that came to my mind was the 2015 Savopoulos case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Washington,_D.C.,_mass_killing).


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 23, 2017, 22:34:15
Your original post reminded me of several instances of murders for profit, in which whole families were tortured and killed. The first one that came to my mind was the 2015 Savopoulos case (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_Washington,_D.C.,_mass_killing).
That is just one case. Show me statistics and I will be much more convinced. I still think as a general rule those with money are much safer than those with little money.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Xanth on August 23, 2017, 22:40:27
Was Jesus' death purely an ego move?
Well, considering I don't believe for a second "he" existed nor happened... the point is moot.  No "Intent" happened either way.

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Xanth your too nice, my life is very valuable, but I know things about myself and see things that are coming that you don't.

It's not about buying happiness, it's about buying opportunities.

Absolutely, that is the main point. I am not depressed doing it for selfish reasons. And even if I was depressed I could certainly argue that it's still justified to take my life even if I'm depressed.

Well considering that I already tried very hard to go the long hard route and that never worked, I don't have very many options to help the ones that I love and right my wrongs in the process.
 Well I've got a lot of time to think about it. So there is no rush right now. I may not even do it in the end, IDK, but as of right now it looks like a good option.
Excuses.  If there's one thing I know about you, Plasma, is that you have a lot of soul searching to do. 


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 23, 2017, 23:06:26
Well, considering I don't believe for a second "he" existed nor happened... the point is moot.  No "Intent" happened either way.

Excuses.  If there's one thing I know about you, Plasma, is that you have a lot of soul searching to do.
OK then let's take the example of a solider that jumps on a grenade to save his comrades from getting hurt and limiting their opportunities? Is is decision purely ego based? Of course not. And neither is mine. However if I committed suicide for revenge that would be a purely ego based suicide.

I realize that I will never convince you of this idea, because you can't accept it, because of what society thinks about it. No amount of logic will convince you on this. But that is OK. I understand. I am at peace with myself and that is what really counts.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Kzaal on August 24, 2017, 05:40:31
I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here plasma... I am speechless right now.

It's weird, for me pretty much from 12-15 years old to idk like 22-25 years old I've always wanted to kill myself because I found life too hard.
And now that I've finally found a meaning to it, every time that I'm about to go to sleep and that I feel like life wants to take me away and that I'm about to die, I pull myself out of sleep because I feel that dying, even in my sleep and even if it was god who wanted this, it would still be a bad move for me to let it happen.

All I'm saying is... I don't know... You shouldn't seek advice on a forum for theses kinds of things, Xanth has seen multiple scenarios like that happen over the past years and most of the time he says that you got to stop talking about it and just seek professional help.
We can't justify or defend suicide here it's not permitted.
And I would never tell someone that it's justified for whatever the amount of money his family would get... Life is priceless and it's a horrible thing to evaluate someone's life with money even your own.

Man... I don't feel good....


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Selski on August 24, 2017, 07:26:33
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection
I feel like I'm talking to a group of pro-lifer's rather than a group of astral projectors. LOL

Hi Plasma

I wanted to address this as it cropped up in another post of yours where you seem to lump astral projectors in the same boat.

Yes, we are astral projectors but that's one aspect of each of us. We are all different. Some will be pro-lifers, possibly most will be. Those who are replying to you are more than likely to be pro-lifers. Those who aren't probably don't give a monkeys what you do and so won't bother replying.

I get the impression you think 'we' (as in projectors) are somehow set apart from other people - is that correct? If so, how do you think we are different? I'm curious as from your other posts, it looks like you're carrying around a rucksack full of baggage (and by that, I mean potentially erroneous beliefs).

What knowledge do you think we have compared with non-projectors?


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Selski on August 24, 2017, 07:30:08
Quote from: Kzaal
Life is priceless

Before I could astral project, I agreed with the above quote.

After I could astral project, I agree with the above quote.

Life an be a pile of poo too, but I still agree with the above quote.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Visitor on August 24, 2017, 08:26:22
Sorry but this is the most bat crazy idea ever.

It comes under the lunacy theories.

Firstly everyone here came here with purpose.  The harder the life the most purpose and most value.  You don't know what they came here to learn so you are projecting your perceptions of your life. 

Anyway money is the root of all evil.  It's not exactly a false saying.  But you need to experience it to understand that it truly is.

Your gift would come under one of the hardest, toughest and most destructive lessons possible ever for a human not prepared or ready to receive and prepared to contain that flood of destructive energy that would hit them.  

It's going to arrive and leave...but leave them wrecked.  And leave them feeling exactly how you do and exactly where they are now...but worse off in every way possible.

It singles you out....cuts you off ....opens flood gates for others to turn against you from jealousy, feed off you greedily and wreck you with guilt, doubt, insecurity and all manner of fear from inability to handle the money and its loss.  

the negativity of watching the destruction you will unleash may be your biggest regret.  

Before you go give them that test of a life that may destroy them....go study the after effects to lottery winners past the first week of elation and see what destruction it unleashes.  

That kind of test is reserved for those looking for major character battering.

It's a nightmare gift that will certainly change them but depending on their abilities to manage it....it may destroy them entirely.

Batshit crazy.  

But if you must give them a lesson they won't ever forget and regret their entire wasted lives.... it's your choice.  

As to all this astral projection being something special?  I have news for you.  We all...no exception....return home every night while the body does a reboot.  And we are all busy elsewhere.  We are learning or doing.  Some of us are so busy that we cannot ever recall a thing.  It's blanked intentionally. It's difficult if you are off somewhere to do serious work, where time is sped up (one hour =7000 yrs), to bring back that kind of bank recall ...it's impossible!  

If memory recall is the criterion that is prized or appears to be special..... some rethink is necessary.

Astral projectors are kept in tight playpen areas so they don't go anywhere, see anything or do anything....because they don't know how to.  In essence they waste their time frolicking in play pens.  Is that special?  Well it's ok if your ego needs to feel that. I think it's a waste of time personally.





Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: ThaomasOfGrey on August 24, 2017, 08:34:01
Woah, Plasma has the right to discuss this openly and I think the correct thing to do is to take it seriously and ride this horse to the conclusion with an open mind.

I'm probably one of the most controversial users ever on this forum. LOL

I feel like I'm talking to a group of pro-lifer's rather than a group of astral projectors. LOL

Don't sweat it. It isn't a good thing that we come off as pro life - grouping with people that have similar beliefs is the beginning of belief trap culture. If we can't discuss it here we have a problem.

Finally someone that sort of sees it the way I do. OK perhaps not fully, but you get the underlying concept.
Your thinking is very close to the way I think. Only thing is that I don't view spiritual growth as a huge factor. I do view natural secular thinking as growth too. Spiritual growth is important, but not a necessity. I think I can create much more general growth if I go the way of the martyr.

Yeah, it really isn't that difficult to understand if you aren't held back by a strong bias. I suspect that spiritual growth is just a terminology issue - I am talking about fulfilling the quest for ultimate truth, growing, being the best you can be. Natural thinking is certainly a part of it.

The way I see it, growth is a necessity, because the only other option is regression or staying the same. One direction is the way of life, the other direction is the way of death or stagnation leading to regression.

You might be right about creating more growth as a martyr, this is where serious thinking comes in. In order to act with truth you must display sober judgment of the outcome with the right metrics.

Well, considering I don't believe for a second "he" existed nor happened... the point is moot.  No "Intent" happened either way.

Neither do I, but it is still a good hypothetical example of suicide. I am interested if you think that Jesus' hypothetical suicide was incorrect, it would be in contradiction with a commandment, which puts religion in an awkward position.



Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: ThaomasOfGrey on August 24, 2017, 09:05:26
Astral projectors are kept in tight playpen areas so they don't go anywhere, see anything or do anything....because they don't know how to.  In essence they waste their time frolicking in play pens.  Is that special?  Well it's ok if your ego needs to feel that. I think it's a waste of time personally.

This is one of the most interesting things I have read on here. I agree that we seem to be confined, at least that is my experience. I wouldn't say it is a waste of time though, I have experienced results from the lessons of astral projection that improve my life. I understand the point you are trying to make though.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Selski on August 24, 2017, 09:18:05
Quote from: Visitor
Astral projectors are kept in tight playpen areas so they don't go anywhere, see anything or do anything....because they don't know how to.  In essence they waste their time frolicking in play pens.  Is that special?  Well it's ok if your ego needs to feel that. I think it's a waste of time personally.

 :-D That's funny.

Out of interest, what would you say isn't a waste of time Visitor (and I'm not talking just about astral projecting)?  :-)


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Xanth on August 24, 2017, 13:49:56
OK then let's take the example of a solider that jumps on a grenade to save his comrades from getting hurt and limiting their opportunities? Is is decision purely ego based? Of course not. And neither is mine. However if I committed suicide for revenge that would be a purely ego based suicide.
This is why I say you have a lot of growing up to do still, Plasma.
You honestly don't understand the difference.  Not even a little...
You think you're being noble and good towards others, but in reality, if reincarnation is true... you'll be back here so frickin fast it'll make your head spin.

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I realize that I will never convince you of this idea, because you can't accept it, because of what society thinks about it. No amount of logic will convince you on this. But that is OK. I understand. I am at peace with myself and that is what really counts.
Someone choosing to end their life has it's place and time. 
You... you're just looking for an excuse.  You've got so much more to learn and you'll only learn that here.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Visitor on August 24, 2017, 17:33:13
Well Selki....when all is said and done and you go through your life...however the review happens.... what will be the points where you may get a 'gold star'?  Will it be for the time every day you spent regurgitating that dream so you didn't forget a single thing...or for the time you took to go help ano person or ano something?  Or for the time you took to go do something to earn money to out your kid through some schooling or some course?  

D'you think taking time for naps to trigger an astral experience is as important as giving time to ano human or ano living something?  

Is astral playtime ever going to feature at all since it's our natural state?  Rather like spending time once we are home practicing breathing so we are ready for coming this side of the line...so we can breath!

We come here with free will...so if we want to waste our time for all eternity, sure we can.  But what a waste.  May as well stay home.

Frankly that we are gifted with time to use freely and we waste it chewing the cud over absurd subjects like this.....is an amazing priviledge not given to all.

Just a few decades ago it was the salt mines.....  Now we sit and consider suicide ...exchange our life for some cash to use to spend in shops for things we dont need and won't need and not recall buying past the exit sign of some shop or internet click.

It's batshit certifiable crazy.

This OP isn't immature .....just short on values.  The opinion that nobody but him and only by his method will his family find means to make income....and that they have no value to give to their family so may as well leave them....is exactly the deluded vision that haunts him.  That they see no other real solution to a problem is frightening.

So I now wonder...did the rest of the clan come here to put pressure on them by acting useless and incompetent so this person feels only they can sort out entire generation forward?  

This projection of powerlessness haunting their thoughts is the reality they created and what they therefore see.  So he will off himself and continue living in some quasi phase cloud they carry around with them until they see clear that it's all a delusion?  Meanwhile back on earth the bunch they left all the paper to have drunk, Drugged and squandered it entirely super fast and are cursing them mightily.

What's the saying?....easy come easy go?
Some solution.  So they think their life is worth this?  

Btw I don't knowif it's a he or she...or something....given we are moving to this Netherlands of neither.....maybe soon we will all be ITses?


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: baro-san on August 24, 2017, 18:25:32
Sorry but this is the most bat crazy idea ever.

It comes under the lunacy theories ...

When I read a post like yours, I have to recommend the poster to start his posts with "in my opinion ..." (like in that funny scene of that tv drama). And this is not for warning the reader, but to remind the poster that whatever he believes is just his opinion on the matter.

In my opinion, you're off in most of your so dismissively expressed opinions!  :-)


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Phildan1 on August 24, 2017, 19:30:38
I am considering this option for myself. My family lives at the poverty to low middle class income level. Would taking out a high life insurance policy for my family for 10 million dollars then committing a peaceful suicide in 2 years later once the suicide clause exuding suicide in the insurance policy expires, would that count for a good karma? It would be like dying a martyr wouldn't it? That is dying for the sake of others that they might have life more abundantly. A very noble altruistic thing to do wouldn't it be? It would be totally legal. IMO it would be good karma as long as it was a peaceful death and done selfishly, and if I lived a good part of their life, and did most all that I could while here. Which is about where I am at.  :-)

EDIT: This is about giving my family opportunities not money just for the sake of money.

Plasma, instead of doing such a stupidity, You should start to take research about how to change your circumstances for your favour. Always remember, that You were the only one, who chose to live this life, which you have right now and you started it from initial probabilities.

Start to research on the sentence of "you are creating your own reality" and if you are a believer as I saw it, you should achieve fast development in it. Believe in yourself and try not to make such decision not even from joke, because it would be like you are chosing a gameplan before jumping into this reality, planning out the initial start and than maybe half a way you are just saying, ok I'm out, I'm "failed"...
Others should stop writing their own belief systems I guess not only here, it won't help anybody, only those who are like-minded and follow the same belief.

In the NP there is no time, not even space, only the vastness of physical-like realities. Maybe you have another parallel self, who failed, be better then "him/her". Show yourself that you can manage to change your thoughts and beliefs and make it now differently.

Karma? It is all about a simple thing, keep balance in your life, mostly emotionally and don't believe what everybody is saying. It is again founded on the belief construct - linear timeframe, because if you are always coming back one after another (which is a joke after in the NP the time is nonexistent) than you could have something done the wrong way in a "pervious life" and now you are in a bad situation maybe...
Reviewing your life after death? Yeah YOU are doing it to yourself, nobody else. The NP parts of you.
Reincarnation? It is only about a mystical belief of sequential time periods as mystics couldn't understand the non-existent time, with parallel multidimensional realities and for their limited understanding, they started this one too with the other stuff like past lives.
I'm not in the need to start argue with those, who can't understand how the wider reality works, this is just for your understanding. You are in fear, because of not known knowledge, which you could obtain only by yourself.
Start to read Frank Kepple's work here on Pulse, you could find it in PDF format somewhere. That is not about basics, you need to forget what you learnt I guess, because there is so much crap all over here and there on the web. You should trust yourself just keep researching. Hm I guess you should learn first project or just reprogram your "subconscious" mind with affirmations, to try somehow to get to your primary essence and just scare the excrement out of yourself to see that what is your "current" life about. I'm kidding here but maybe you have many unknowns still.

I recommend you simple pathways like Ken Elliott's work to easily learn to create your world the other way. The other recommended is Seth's "The Nature of Personal Reality" (Jane Roberts). Somebody is on the rich side, somebody is on the poor side. As long as you are good hearted, helping others and radiating out your kindness, no problem with money.
Money is a human made construct and nothing more, people are giving in vast amounts of trust in it who knows for how long and it is only a tool for buy whatever you need. But the focus itself is not on money, it is about that if you would like to achieve something, nobody will do it for you, only You.
Projecting is the same. People could cry out for NP help for guides but what you are doing instead of learning by yourself as many people and giving in the effort to realize how is it working, "guides" coming and smashing you out to other focuses - well what happens is, your own belief constructs are doing the job instead of you. I guess maybe you got what I meant here.

This Universe is mostly relies on beliefs and emotions, with thought energy.
There is another example, which billions of people are doing so well... "I hate this job/life in which I am" - meaning, you are reinforcing a belief in you that that is you reality. Imagine it differently. You don't need to concentrate on money, it is a side effect in some cases.
I'm not an all-the-knower but did my research and exploring what I need to know, learning, and always did it. I never stop in this. And I always just hugging my face, seeing daily what other people are always writing down about their beliefs of this and that and how those things are working, meanwhile they have zero experiences about those or just believing it, and that is not first hand experience. Tom Campbell could agree on this.
Well belief only carries you to the first place after "death" where billions and billions are fooling themselves in various belief constructs, it is a real shame.

Believe in Yourself, and you have enough time here and now to make decisions correctly, to be better and stop thinking not even from fun, about those stupid ideas lol.

A little reminder for others: I don't care about other's beliefs, those are for who they need it, personal, and maybe necessary for certain people, I respect it until somebody forces their beliefs on others. Everybody have beliefs of course. So I won't argue with anybody.
Plasma what are you afraid of? You have a great help here too, and you are a powerful non-physical being originally as everybody. Why are you giving away your power? :) Look inside and you will know your fears, convert them into light or love or whatever lol.
Remember, nobody does the research instead of you!

Hope this helps, just a little bit. Sort of :)


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Kzaal on August 24, 2017, 20:04:17
What I don't understand Plasma, is that you were asking us a few days ago if there was a way to reincarnate in your current family...
Even if the thought of you killing yourself to help your family was completely selfish, the fact that you want to reincarnate in your current family once this is over makes it the opposite.
This would turn into a greedy move.
Greed is bad, and worst part of all this? If you actually reincarnated in one of your future family members then you'd be stuck in a rich family and then you would probably become greedy yourself.
Karma would slowly work it's way into you and then you'd pretty much be stuck with one of the 3 Buddhist poison.
Greed is even worse to fight if you're in a rich family, so you might even make your family suffer even more with your greedy nature...

Maybe you thought this through from the beginning and thought you could just reincarnate after all that and chill in your next life I don't know man.
I don't want to make any bad assumptions here so pardon me if I'm wrong but...

I don't feel it like I said.

No offense. I would just feel really sad if someone from theses forums actually did something like this, specially someone who's here almost everyday...


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: baro-san on August 24, 2017, 20:09:40
Plasma, bottom line: all these verbose people tell you not to do it, but mostly they boast how knowledgeable they are.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Visitor on August 24, 2017, 20:36:40
Bari I do believe we may indeed know something....could be from hard won experience?  

All I can tell you is that I hold the sanctity of life as absolute.  Do  I know something from my past?  Was I silly once and found it such a bad experience it's strong in my nature?  Who knows. But it's  strongly enough felt.  It seems others hold life as dear.  Maybe others also know what I know.

But all that aside it's also very illegal to encourage or support in any way any kind of self harm.  even by goading or by downplaying the opposition that just might help the person arrive at a sensible perspective.

There is someone here really unrealistic and perhaps even bi-polar  ...smacks of it to me with this unrealistic life insurance payout and reincarnate as a descendent to enjoy it.  

I think real help might be needed.  The human professional kind.

This is when forum admins need to step in and take action. 


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: ThaomasOfGrey on August 24, 2017, 21:52:29
But all that aside it's also very illegal to encourage or support in any way any kind of self harm.  even by goading or by downplaying the opposition that just might help the person arrive at a sensible perspective.

Illegal under what law? This is a virtual environment with participants from many countries with different laws. You are basically saying that it would be illegal to take any position in this hypothetical debate other than the established belief of one group. That's a belief trap. Philosophical tyranny.

Telling someone to commit suicide (cyber-bullying) or strongly advocating suicide in a vacuum (without debating the actual merits) is not what is happening here.

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There is someone here really unrealistic and perhaps even bi-polar  ...smacks of it to me with this unrealistic life insurance payout and reincarnate as a descendent to enjoy it.  

I think real help might be needed.  The human professional kind.

This is when forum admins need to step in and take action. 

I really don't think that is what Plasma is intending. All of their posts have had loving intent - even if it is the incorrect action.

Telling people they need help from a professional is just alienating. Plasma chose to come here to discuss this. Pulling the rip cord and saying "go see a psychiatrist" is a cop out for when dogma fails to convince.

I can't speak for all of the admins obviously, but shutting down this thread and referring Plasma else where is just non-constructive. We need to suggest and educate and learn, not force. I am already seeing Plasma reply less in this thread because we are spitting dogma instead of delving into the specifics of Plasma's rationale with the loving intent of making a significant impact.

I am not targeting anyone in particular here. I just want us to be able to co-operate without becoming overwhelmed by our strong opinions.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 01:49:36
I don't understand what you're trying to accomplish here plasma... I am speechless right now.

It's weird, for me pretty much from 12-15 years old to idk like 22-25 years old I've always wanted to kill myself because I found life too hard.
And now that I've finally found a meaning to it, every time that I'm about to go to sleep and that I feel like life wants to take me away and that I'm about to die, I pull myself out of sleep because I feel that dying, even in my sleep and even if it was god who wanted this, it would still be a bad move for me to let it happen.

All I'm saying is... I don't know... You shouldn't seek advice on a forum for theses kinds of things, Xanth has seen multiple scenarios like that happen over the past years and most of the time he says that you got to stop talking about it and just seek professional help.
We can't justify or defend suicide here it's not permitted.
And I would never tell someone that it's justified for whatever the amount of money his family would get... Life is priceless and it's a horrible thing to evaluate someone's life with money even your own.

Man... I don't feel good....
Sorry to hear about your past hardships with being suicidal. I've been suicidal in the past too. Even though I am no longer suicidal in the classic sense, my life is going down hill anyway because of my health problems. Even if I were to stick it out and stay around, I would end up just being a burden to my family. As I am going to be unable to work or work a minimum wage job, because of my declining physical health, it''s getting worse and worse. I do go on other forums and try to help people that are suicidal to get on medications, try self help, or just get help. But if I believe there is no hope for them then I leave them be. I am glad that you have found meaning to your life. The astral projectors here have really helped give meaning to my life. But I have reached the point in my life that I don't think I can go on physically much more without burdening my family even more. But you's have given me hope and changed my belief complex in very meaningful ways that I am sure will benefit me not only in this life but in the afterlife too, and for that I am very grateful. Because before coming here I was a real mess with my beliefs. So I don't want you to get the wrong idea here. As you can see this is more complex than a simple black and white explanations. I should have told you's about my declining health before but perhaps I just wanted to stay as positive as I could about this. But the truth is that it does play a big factor in thought process about this whole thing. Don't worry I'm not leaving this earth anytime soon. Nice to have you chime in here Kzaal.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 01:59:46
I get the impression you think 'we' (as in projectors) are somehow set apart from other people - is that correct? If so, how do you think we are different? I'm curious as from your other posts, it looks like you're carrying around a rucksack full of baggage (and by that, I mean potentially erroneous beliefs).

What knowledge do you think we have compared with non-projectors?
Astral projectors understand the afterlife is ways that many others don't. Take for instance NDE's someone can go through a dozen NDE's and not be much closer to the nuts and bolts of how the afterlife works, because they don't have them enough to really dig down the the nuts and bolts of how it works. I thought I had something special when I learned about NDEs years ago but you's take it to a whole new level. The reason why is that avid astral projectors have a lot of experience in the afterlife, so they can really get down to how the afterlife works. I have found astral projectors to have the most realistic, comprehensive, cohesive view of the afterlife out of any other religion or NDE. If you read many of the NDEs out there you realize that many of them are just self fulfilling beliefs. I use to read tons of NDEs by Christians and they just ended up reinforcing there dogmas. Astral projectors get it though. You understand that we create our own reality in the afterlife. And this really sets you apart from a vast majority of so called spiritual people. Thanks for chiming in Selski.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 02:03:23
Before I could astral project, I agreed with the above quote.

After I could astral project, I agree with the above quote.

Life an be a pile of poo too, but I still agree with the above quote.
I don't think life is priceless. Life is only as good as it's function, and experience, both naturally and spiritually. Or as Xanth might say life is only as good as it's intention. What else is there? How do you define life?


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 02:13:17
Your gift would come under one of the hardest, toughest and most destructive lessons possible ever for a human not prepared or ready to receive and prepared to contain that flood of destructive energy that would hit them.  

It's going to arrive and leave...but leave them wrecked.  And leave them feeling exactly how you do and exactly where they are now...but worse off in every way possible.

It singles you out....cuts you off ....opens flood gates for others to turn against you from jealousy, feed off you greedily and wreck you with guilt, doubt, insecurity and all manner of fear from inability to handle the money and its loss.  

the negativity of watching the destruction you will unleash may be your biggest regret.  

Before you go give them that test of a life that may destroy them....go study the after effects to lottery winners past the first week of elation and see what destruction it unleashes.  

That kind of test is reserved for those looking for major character battering.

It's a nightmare gift that will certainly change them but depending on their abilities to manage it....it may destroy them entirely.

Batshit crazy.  

But if you must give them a lesson they won't ever forget and regret their entire wasted lives.... it's your choice.

If I do decide to do this I will make sure to educate them beforehand, and/or in a long detailed note with links so that they don't end up making the same mistakes as lotto winners. I have already started the research on lotto winners. So I understand the risks already. But most lotto winners of that much don't end up bankrupt.  




As to all this astral projection being something special?  I have news for you.  We all...no exception....return home every night while the body does a reboot.  And we are all busy elsewhere.  We are learning or doing.  Some of us are so busy that we cannot ever recall a thing.  It's blanked intentionally. It's difficult if you are off somewhere to do serious work, where time is sped up (one hour =7000 yrs), to bring back that kind of bank recall ...it's impossible!  

If memory recall is the criterion that is prized or appears to be special..... some rethink is necessary.

Astral projectors are kept in tight playpen areas so they don't go anywhere, see anything or do anything....because they don't know how to.  In essence they waste their time frolicking in play pens.  Is that special?  Well it's ok if your ego needs to feel that. I think it's a waste of time personally.
Well if you saw the place I was in belief wise before learning about other religions and astral projection you would understand. It was the beliefs that shaped me much more than anything else. You have to know that I came from a fundamentalist christian home so I was coerced into a terrible belief system before opening my eyes, so I hope that helps you understand my background better. Thanks for chiming in Visitor.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 02:51:53
Don't sweat it. It isn't a good thing that we come off as pro life - grouping with people that have similar beliefs is the beginning of belief trap culture. If we can't discuss it here we have a problem.

Right didn't exactly think of it that way but yeah, if this can't be talked about here with an open mind then there is a problem.

Yeah, it really isn't that difficult to understand if you aren't held back by a strong bias. I suspect that spiritual growth is just a terminology issue - I am talking about fulfilling the quest for ultimate truth, growing, being the best you can be. Natural thinking is certainly a part of it.

Yes, getting out of our comfort zone is a big part of overcoming whether it's spiritually or naturally.

The way I see it, growth is a necessity, because the only other option is regression or staying the same. One direction is the way of life, the other direction is the way of death or stagnation leading to regression.

Yea all I see is myself as being is very stagnate if I don't go the way of the martyr. As I told Kazzal, all I see is a decline in health from here on for years to come to the point where I am going to have to stop working and just be a burden on my family and the system. Life is only as good as it's function, and experience.

You might be right about creating more growth as a martyr, this is where serious thinking comes in. In order to act with truth you must display sober judgment of the outcome with the right metrics.

Yeah I just don't see too many options left with my declining physical health. Besides insurance companies have a lot of money anyway. I'd be doing society and favor, as the money will just end up going to the top one percent of society anyway if I don't do anything.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 03:01:00
This is why I say you have a lot of growing up to do still, Plasma.
You honestly don't understand the difference.  Not even a little...

Yes I do see the differences but they can be interchanged with my situation I believe.

You... you're just looking for an excuse. 
Really? I've got a 3.8 GPA in college for two years, my situation has changed though and going to college doesn't seem tenable due to my declining health. I will just end up being a burden to my family and the system if I don't stay here. If I could I would get a job and get a wife with children and a home, but that isn't possible for me literally. Unless some breakthrough cure comes soon, I my options will be very limited for living a meaningful life for not only myself but the coming generation. It's not enough for me to be just alive, I want greatness, and no I don't mean that in an egotistical way.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 03:16:05
Just a few decades ago it was the salt mines.....  Now we sit and consider suicide ...exchange our life for some cash to use to spend in shops for things we dont need and won't need and not recall buying past the exit sign of some shop or internet click.

It's batshit certifiable crazy.

What money am I getting out of this. I realize that if I go, I may not be back to the physical for a very very very long time. I realize that there are somethings that can only be learned here. This is a BIG sacrifice on my behalf.

This OP isn't immature .....just short on values.
No I am short on physical health. My health is declining and I don't think I'll be able to survive much less thrive in 10 years from now. I've got chronic health conditions that are beyond doctors ability to fix.

The opinion that nobody but him and only by his method will his family find means to make income....and that they have no value to give to their family so may as well leave them....is exactly the deluded vision that haunts him.  That they see no other real solution to a problem is frightening.

Yes there are other options, but this is probably my best option.

This projection of powerlessness haunting their thoughts is the reality they created and what they therefore see.  So he will off himself and continue living in some quasi phase cloud they carry around with them until they see clear that it's all a delusion?  Meanwhile back on earth the bunch they left all the paper to have drunk, Drugged and squandered it entirely super fast and are cursing them mightily.

What's the saying?....easy come easy go?
Some solution.  So they think their life is worth this?  

So many assumptions here.

Btw I don't knowif it's a he or she...or something....given we are moving to this Netherlands of neither.....maybe soon we will all be ITses?
I'm a guy.

Look do you want to understand my thinking and perhaps sway me or just stay in your own mind?


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 03:33:59
Plasma, instead of doing such a stupidity, You should start to take research about how to change your circumstances for your favour. Always remember, that You were the only one, who chose to live this life, which you have right now and you started it from initial probabilities.

Start to research on the sentence of "you are creating your own reality" and if you are a believer as I saw it, you should achieve fast development in it. Believe in yourself and try not to make such decision not even from joke, because it would be like you are chosing a gameplan before jumping into this reality, planning out the initial start and than maybe half a way you are just saying, ok I'm out, I'm "failed"...
Others should stop writing their own belief systems I guess not only here, it won't help anybody, only those who are like-minded and follow the same belief.

In the NP there is no time, not even space, only the vastness of physical-like realities. Maybe you have another parallel self, who failed, be better then "him/her". Show yourself that you can manage to change your thoughts and beliefs and make it now differently.

Karma? It is all about a simple thing, keep balance in your life, mostly emotionally and don't believe what everybody is saying. It is again founded on the belief construct - linear timeframe, because if you are always coming back one after another (which is a joke after in the NP the time is nonexistent) than you could have something done the wrong way in a "pervious life" and now you are in a bad situation maybe...
Reviewing your life after death? Yeah YOU are doing it to yourself, nobody else. The NP parts of you.
Reincarnation? It is only about a mystical belief of sequential time periods as mystics couldn't understand the non-existent time, with parallel multidimensional realities and for their limited understanding, they started this one too with the other stuff like past lives.
I'm not in the need to start argue with those, who can't understand how the wider reality works, this is just for your understanding. You are in fear, because of not known knowledge, which you could obtain only by yourself.
Start to read Frank Kepple's work here on Pulse, you could find it in PDF format somewhere. That is not about basics, you need to forget what you learnt I guess, because there is so much crap all over here and there on the web. You should trust yourself just keep researching. Hm I guess you should learn first project or just reprogram your "subconscious" mind with affirmations, to try somehow to get to your primary essence and just scare the excrement out of yourself to see that what is your "current" life about. I'm kidding here but maybe you have many unknowns still.

I recommend you simple pathways like Ken Elliott's work to easily learn to create your world the other way. The other recommended is Seth's "The Nature of Personal Reality" (Jane Roberts). Somebody is on the rich side, somebody is on the poor side. As long as you are good hearted, helping others and radiating out your kindness, no problem with money.
Money is a human made construct and nothing more, people are giving in vast amounts of trust in it who knows for how long and it is only a tool for buy whatever you need. But the focus itself is not on money, it is about that if you would like to achieve something, nobody will do it for you, only You.
Projecting is the same. People could cry out for NP help for guides but what you are doing instead of learning by yourself as many people and giving in the effort to realize how is it working, "guides" coming and smashing you out to other focuses - well what happens is, your own belief constructs are doing the job instead of you. I guess maybe you got what I meant here.

This Universe is mostly relies on beliefs and emotions, with thought energy.
There is another example, which billions of people are doing so well... "I hate this job/life in which I am" - meaning, you are reinforcing a belief in you that that is you reality. Imagine it differently. You don't need to concentrate on money, it is a side effect in some cases.
I'm not an all-the-knower but did my research and exploring what I need to know, learning, and always did it. I never stop in this. And I always just hugging my face, seeing daily what other people are always writing down about their beliefs of this and that and how those things are working, meanwhile they have zero experiences about those or just believing it, and that is not first hand experience. Tom Campbell could agree on this.
Well belief only carries you to the first place after "death" where billions and billions are fooling themselves in various belief constructs, it is a real shame.

Believe in Yourself, and you have enough time here and now to make decisions correctly, to be better and stop thinking not even from fun, about those stupid ideas lol.

A little reminder for others: I don't care about other's beliefs, those are for who they need it, personal, and maybe necessary for certain people, I respect it until somebody forces their beliefs on others. Everybody have beliefs of course. So I won't argue with anybody.
Plasma what are you afraid of? You have a great help here too, and you are a powerful non-physical being originally as everybody. Why are you giving away your power? :) Look inside and you will know your fears, convert them into light or love or whatever lol.
Remember, nobody does the research instead of you!

Hope this helps, just a little bit. Sort of :)
Wow that was quite a read.  :-)  Thank you for your concern, but as I told the others this is more than just me committing suicide. I have a declining health condition, and I doubt my body can take much more of this. I have went to college and got a 3.8 GPA, I tried my hardest, but sometimes "in the end it doesn't even matter." Thank you so much for your concern I feel the love. And I am grateful for that.  :-)


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: EscapeVelocity on August 25, 2017, 04:08:18
"Understand you and perhaps sway you", no, I don't think so sadly...you don't appear to be open to changing your opinion. Okay, your choice.

My last thought to you Plasma is this, maybe the noble course is to experience your physical decline and allow the opportunity for your family/friends to deal with it as best they can, in the manner they choose to support you through this period...just maybe that is the more difficult, yet more noble choice...it is a tough thing, I grant you that; I will face my own version likely in several years...

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Visitor-

Your opening insights were quite welcome, insightful and intriguing...now you are moving to insistence and arrogance. You might back off a bit; confidence is welcome, more maybe not so.

You might allow us our astral playtime pens. If you have perspective beyond this, then you should also have the responsible perspective that necessarily goes along with that, to allow us to be where we presently are. The fact that you don't automatically recognize this tells me a lot.

Please refer to posters by their proper names; the fact that you missed two is sadly indicative of your disdain and disregard. Maybe just a simple mistake; in your case, probably not.

I have always had a problem with this one- "Money is the root of all evil."

No, the proper translation should be "The love of money is the root of many evils." It is the "love" of many things, all things that lead to power. The love of power over others...accumulation of money is the most immediate method...money is just a form of exchange, a form of convenience... The over-love of money is the same as greed, avarice; a basic unbalance of any form of emotion/desire in the Physical.
Funny how it goes from biblical to fundamental...





Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 04:20:13
What I don't understand Plasma, is that you were asking us a few days ago if there was a way to reincarnate in your current family...
Even if the thought of you killing yourself to help your family was completely selfish, the fact that you want to reincarnate in your current family once this is over makes it the opposite.
This would turn into a greedy move.
Greed is bad, and worst part of all this? If you actually reincarnated in one of your future family members then you'd be stuck in a rich family and then you would probably become greedy yourself.
Karma would slowly work it's way into you and then you'd pretty much be stuck with one of the 3 Buddhist poison.
Greed is even worse to fight if you're in a rich family, so you might even make your family suffer even more with your greedy nature...

Maybe you thought this through from the beginning and thought you could just reincarnate after all that and chill in your next life I don't know man.
I don't want to make any bad assumptions here so pardon me if I'm wrong but...

I don't feel it like I said.

No offense. I would just feel really sad if someone from theses forums actually did something like this, specially someone who's here almost everyday...
As bad as the rich has it, the poor have it much worse. The poor are much more likely to suffer from violence or become violent because of the lack of resources. So that isn't the issue here. I am not too worried about the effects of my family getting rich. Robots will soon be taking all of our jobs anyway.

As far as if I could reincarnate into my family because they are rich. Well there is no guarantee of that happening and I realize that. It's not like I am here thinking I kill myself to be rich. That kind of thinking is non-sense. I realize that the rich have their own but different struggles compared to the poor. But to think that somehow the poor-man's struggles are better is non-sense. You know the rich have to make it in to for instance go to the best university or deal with gold-diggers or whatever. It doesn't buy happiness but it does buy comfort, and security which is a lofty spiritual goal. I would consider exiting life anyway without that possibility, my health is declining anyways so I am running out of options. When push comes to shove I know that I only have so much time before my health goes south, and then what? Am I going to get on disability for the rest of my life? Reincarnating into my future family is one of the least of my worries right now. Thanks for chiming in Kazzl.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 04:31:32
Plasma, bottom line: all these verbose people tell you not to do it, but mostly they boast how knowledgeable they are.
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Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 04:49:19
Bari I do believe we may indeed know something....could be from hard won experience?
Yes I've already been in the depths of despair, so I know what it's like.

All I can tell you is that I hold the sanctity of life as absolute.

What do you define life as?

I looked up the word sanctity and I got - ultimate importance and inviolability. Your being too kind, what gives me ultimate importance in this life?

But all that aside it's also very illegal to encourage or support in any way any kind of self harm.  even by goading or by downplaying the opposition that just might help the person arrive at a sensible perspective.


Someone really has to go above and beyond to be convicted for aiding a suicide. First of all this is all just in theory as of right now, I'm not going to the store tonight to kill myself.

There is someone here really unrealistic and perhaps even bi-polar

People with Bi-polar or any real mental issues can't get a 3.8 GPA in college like I have. I'm very smart, and I've been a consistent poster on these forums. So don't try to pigeonhole me into your box that you have created.

...smacks of it to me with this unrealistic life insurance payout and reincarnate as a descendent to enjoy it.  

I think real help might be needed.  The human professional kind.
Read the last post I did for Kzaal.

This is when forum admins need to step in and take action.
Take action? For what? Someone that thinks outside of the box? I didn't harass anyone, I haven't flamed anyone, I haven't trolled anyone. I get on the suicide forums a lot and it's exactly this type of mentality that makes people want to kill themselves, because it alienates them. They tell them to go see a therapist and don't even want to associate with them again. That is what causes people to go to places like sanctioned suicide and other pro-choice suicide forums.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 05:06:03
Illegal under what law? This is a virtual environment with participants from many countries with different laws. You are basically saying that it would be illegal to take any position in this hypothetical debate other than the established belief of one group. That's a belief trap. Philosophical tyranny.

Telling someone to commit suicide (cyber-bullying) or strongly advocating suicide in a vacuum (without debating the actual merits) is not what is happening here.

I really don't think that is what Plasma is intending. All of their posts have had loving intent - even if it is the incorrect action.

Telling people they need help from a professional is just alienating. Plasma chose to come here to discuss this. Pulling the rip cord and saying "go see a psychiatrist" is a cop out for when dogma fails to convince.

I can't speak for all of the admins obviously, but shutting down this thread and referring Plasma else where is just non-constructive. We need to suggest and educate and learn, not force. I am already seeing Plasma reply less in this thread because we are spitting dogma instead of delving into the specifics of Plasma's rationale with the loving intent of making a significant impact.

I am not targeting anyone in particular here. I just want us to be able to co-operate without becoming overwhelmed by our strong opinions.
Thanks ThaomasOfGrey, your the only reasonable one on this thread. You and maybe Phildan. I feel like everyone else is just virtue signaling, just saying the politically correct thing for the sake of saying the politically correct thing. And even though my internet was down earlier which delayed my replies, I did almost leave this thread, I mean why should I try to have some meaningful conversation about this if almost everyone doesn't want to consider the way I think in order to possibly sway me, and god for bid they might actually learn how to think outside of the box themselves in the process. Thanks for chiming in ThaomasOfGrey.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 05:13:37
"Understand you and perhaps sway you", no, I don't think so sadly...you don't appear to be open to changing your opinion. Okay, your choice.

My last thought to you Plasma is this, maybe the noble course is to experience your physical decline and allow the opportunity for your family/friends to deal with it as best they can, in the manner they choose to support you through this period...just maybe that is the more difficult, yet more noble choice...it is a tough thing, I grant you that; I will face my own version likely in several years...
I've already been near death with my family in the past so I hope I don't have to experience that again at such a young age. And I thank you for chiming in here with me in this thread at least. You've been good to me, and your opinions don't go without thoughtful consideration.  :-)


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Visitor on August 25, 2017, 07:24:59
Well Plasma here is all I want to say and I am off...

Your OP header said it all.  You know it's crazy or an act of a victim.  So really you are milking it for sympathy and entertainment.

Evidently you are intelligent enough...but not that intelligent because then you would know personality disorders and/or mental disorders and intelligence are not mutually exclusive.  So you have the brains to go do something about your life but are just too ...what?....lazy?  Another one of these generation x'ers who want to be spoon fed?  

You are not living in poverty.  You have internet.  That presupposes a home.  Plenty of people live in poverty and you are milking it pretending.  Well....given we create our reality with our thoughts and beliefs.....I can predict what conditions you will create.  Don't go bleating about it then....wallow in your misery quietly...it's by choice.  People can become addicted to misery....nobody can help till you hit rock bottom and decide you want to change.  So keep your misery and enjoy it fully till you are done.

As to the hair rained scheme...which it is....

Hard reality will apply and either the insurance payout will be denied or the beneficiaries will almost instantly lose the entire lot.  Emptying a bucket in a glass of water tends to overturn the lot and it all goes everywhere.  Recipients have to accept it.  If they are like you...like attracts like.....don't forget the apple never falls far from the tree....crabs in a barrel hold onto each other etc.....they like their misery and lifestyle and are just as addicted to gripping and performing.  So nature will take its course and that will be that.

From a personal 'spiritual' perspective...you are disrespecting yourself, your ability and your entire bunch of people that banded together to make your life happen and keep you going.  You are not alone.  You have a team.  Every cell in your body is intelligent and has a brain and has a choice to group with your energy for the purposes of its advancement while helping you construct a 'body' to experience this dimension.  It's a joint effort.  You are like a loose cannon thinking muddled grey thoughts and in your own mission to self destruct.  

It's them who have responded here through every single poster.  They got them to tell you in black and white what they think. These responses are not accidental.  It's their message to you.  The universe...your team of helpers...every cell in your body...has responded to your question.

Pick your sorry self up....go get a job...make a job...clean windows ...do something....because it's in the doing something that the universe can find you and send something towards you via another person.  But you have to pitch in and work.  One step..one day....one cent.....it all adds up.  

Sure free will applies.  So while you surround yourself with such muck nobody can see you and you are alone.  And that's how you will stay...in the slime pit of self pity.  It's your choice.  Body or no body..dead or alive....that's where you will stay ....here or there ....until you sort yourself out.  So may as well be here so you can actually get a life and stop wasting your team's efforts to get you going.

But I do also understand that you are probably in life 200++ doing exactly the same thing and habits are hard to break.  We all have our own challenges and getting off your but is yours.  Seems easy for us....but probably too scary for you.  It's easier to self sabotage then face the possibility of making something happen.  Because that's what you are shitting yourself over...making something happen.  

If you really want to live in poverty...hike across to Africa ...that's where poverty can be found.  Don't bother taking anything because people there don't have shoes, clothes or food.  They scratch like chickens the bare earth for something to eat.  Internet isn't even on the horizon.  

But you are in a wealthy environment with loads of opportunity...you have some education...enough to get into some training ....evidently you set yourself up to have all this to give you options to use to get going.....so overcoming your fear of achieving is all ho,ding you in the grey slimepit.....get off your backside.  

Or not. Groundhog Day yet again....


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Visitor on August 25, 2017, 07:40:04
Just a practical thought...are you vit b12 or B17 or B complex deficient? 

Check it out.  B17 deficiency causes depression and all manner of stuff depending on your weakness







Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Selski on August 25, 2017, 08:41:05
Visitor - just to clarify my post was in all genuineness, there were no 'having a poke at you' undertones. I enjoyed your playpen scenario - it made me laugh when I imagined it. That's all. And my question was genuine too - I wanted to get an idea of what you deemed time well spent...so thank you for answering that. Personally, I often wonder if absolutely everything we do is a complete 'waste of time'. It all depends on ones beliefs I suppose.  :-)


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Selski on August 25, 2017, 08:46:44
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection
...my life is going down hill anyway because of my health problems. Even if I were to stick it out and stay around, I would end up just being a burden to my family. As I am going to be unable to work or work a minimum wage job, because of my declining physical health, it''s getting worse and worse.

Plasma - I just want to say I fully understand this as I'm also in the same boat. I'm lucky in that I've found a job where I can work from home at my own hours on a computer, but otherwise life is tough.

Sending you plenty of kind, loving thoughts.  :-)


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Kzaal on August 25, 2017, 09:34:45
Plasma... We can't see the future like that. There's too many variables. Robots will take jobs, but that doesn't mean there wont be new type of jobs.
Your health might be declining but the modern medicine is getting more and more advanced.
Things will get better because people understand theses things, when something goes wrong people complain until it's fixed.
Humanity is not doomed yet.
Listen, I know it's tough and being disabled is really not something to look forward to, but you can't give up so easily just because you think that things are bad around you doesn't mean they wont get better.
If you're in america I know health care is terribly expensive and it sucks but they'll figure something out.
They can't let people die like that. And as we climb the years it's gonna get worse for them if they keep doing it because people know these thing.
Every year that passes people realize "What? 2020 and still no health insurance? are you kidding me?"
There will be riots until it's fixed trust me.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: funfire on August 25, 2017, 10:45:40
you should forget about karma. It's a weight on you don't let it run your life. Don't do things becuase you think it's good or bad. Just do what you want for yourself and you will be happy you did so.

I know this isn't the best thing to write when someone is talking about sucide but I mean what I said.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Visitor on August 25, 2017, 13:12:15
Plasma...I am going to say it again....now having looked at your other threads.... you are headed for a nervous breakdown.  I had an old friends years back that took your route so I recognise it.  She went bi-polar overnight and after two weeks thinking she had the solution to every problem (abnormal high)...unable to sleep...her body froze.  When I next saw her she was still frozen...that's how bad it got.  She never actually came right.  She hated taking her mess because life wasn't fun but without them she constantly tripped into bi polar high.  Some bipolars are high...some down....

It could be as simple as vit b deficiency at the root cause.  Get tested.  Get vit b complex right away but get some vit b12 and vit b17 asap also.  If your system can't absorb b17 then sublingual or injections will by pass digestive system.  

Depression , sleep problems...ptsd.....a host of all manner of haywire symptoms...all b12 and b17.

To all who are worried about automation...robots...taking jobs.  Cease!  It's all nonsense.  Firstly it will take years of development to get something useful and as soon as one company starts with job losses the immediate repercussion will be the loss of spending, tax payments....etc and end to all that.  Without people shopping the country will grind to a halt...no need for robots because nobody will buy a thing they produce.  No money, no spend...everything ends.  The brain dead CEOs that only see $$$ savings from cutting employee costs but are going to trip over their greed because it's us the shoppers that support the entire process.  No income, no shoppers...no spending.....no sales......nothing works.

Let's see how they and their robots like that!

So seriously...let them dream on....but don't panic and worry.  By all means do see it as unrealistic get-rich-quick scheme that's going to backfire dramatically. Keep your heads...there will be talk and some turbulence until they see their folly.  Some countries like Israel....have already identified this and are ahead of the curve.  I was surprised to see old people actually manning traffic lights.  That's how they give their aged work so they feel connected and valuable.  Sure we can automate...but at what cost?  

Selski I didn't think you were being negative or poking.  I guess I interpreted it as questioning to see what common ground you discovered in others.  Sorry to hear you too are weighed down...check your B levels as above.  I am very into prevention and running my body well.  It is after all a precious gift of trust and responsibility and a combined project of zillions of intelligent beings trusting me to protect them by keeping our system running smoothly while we all learn and improve.  







Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 15:53:39
Well Plasma here is all I want to say and I am off...

Your OP header said it all.  You know it's crazy or an act of a victim.  So really you are milking it for sympathy and entertainment.

Evidently you are intelligent enough...but not that intelligent because then you would know personality disorders and/or mental disorders and intelligence are not mutually exclusive.  So you have the brains to go do something about your life but are just too ...what?....lazy?  Another one of these generation x'ers who want to be spoon fed?  

You are not living in poverty.  You have internet.  That presupposes a home.  Plenty of people live in poverty and you are milking it pretending.  Well....given we create our reality with our thoughts and beliefs.....I can predict what conditions you will create.  Don't go bleating about it then....wallow in your misery quietly...it's by choice.  People can become addicted to misery....nobody can help till you hit rock bottom and decide you want to change.  So keep your misery and enjoy it fully till you are done.

As to the hair rained scheme...which it is....

Hard reality will apply and either the insurance payout will be denied or the beneficiaries will almost instantly lose the entire lot.  Emptying a bucket in a glass of water tends to overturn the lot and it all goes everywhere.  Recipients have to accept it.  If they are like you...like attracts like.....don't forget the apple never falls far from the tree....crabs in a barrel hold onto each other etc.....they like their misery and lifestyle and are just as addicted to gripping and performing.  So nature will take its course and that will be that.

From a personal 'spiritual' perspective...you are disrespecting yourself, your ability and your entire bunch of people that banded together to make your life happen and keep you going.  You are not alone.  You have a team.  Every cell in your body is intelligent and has a brain and has a choice to group with your energy for the purposes of its advancement while helping you construct a 'body' to experience this dimension.  It's a joint effort.  You are like a loose cannon thinking muddled grey thoughts and in your own mission to self destruct.  

It's them who have responded here through every single poster.  They got them to tell you in black and white what they think. These responses are not accidental.  It's their message to you.  The universe...your team of helpers...every cell in your body...has responded to your question.

Pick your sorry self up....go get a job...make a job...clean windows ...do something....because it's in the doing something that the universe can find you and send something towards you via another person.  But you have to pitch in and work.  One step..one day....one cent.....it all adds up.  

Sure free will applies.  So while you surround yourself with such muck nobody can see you and you are alone.  And that's how you will stay...in the slime pit of self pity.  It's your choice.  Body or no body..dead or alive....that's where you will stay ....here or there ....until you sort yourself out.  So may as well be here so you can actually get a life and stop wasting your team's efforts to get you going.

But I do also understand that you are probably in life 200++ doing exactly the same thing and habits are hard to break.  We all have our own challenges and getting off your but is yours.  Seems easy for us....but probably too scary for you.  It's easier to self sabotage then face the possibility of making something happen.  Because that's what you are shitting yourself over...making something happen.  

If you really want to live in poverty...hike across to Africa ...that's where poverty can be found.  Don't bother taking anything because people there don't have shoes, clothes or food.  They scratch like chickens the bare earth for something to eat.  Internet isn't even on the horizon.  

But you are in a wealthy environment with loads of opportunity...you have some education...enough to get into some training ....evidently you set yourself up to have all this to give you options to use to get going.....so overcoming your fear of achieving is all ho,ding you in the grey slimepit.....get off your backside.  

Or not. Groundhog Day yet again....
You don't know me or my health condition. Your just assuming that I can live like everyone else. I have a foot problem where I can't walk much, I have digestive issues where I can only eat a limited amount of certain foods, I have tinnitus and hearing loss, all of these are chronic long term problems that I've had for years.

And I looked it up we are a little above the poverty level. Which still isn't good, but is reason enough for me to consider the life insurance policy.

And when I put in the title "crazy idea that can't possibly help" I didn't put that because that is what I thought of the idea, I put that based on what some of you's would probably think of it.

As far as for the personality disorder and intelligence, well your right on that, I was tired last night typing out he replies so it wasn't like I was taking an exam in college.  :-)  But the important thing is that I don't have any personality disorders, I barely have depression and anxiety, and I do see my psychiatrist and primary care doctor regularly to treat it, so if I had a mental disorder or personality disorder they would likely catch it and I would know about it. But I don't have any personality disorders, I am a logical reasonable person that has come to a crossroads in his life.

Just a practical thought...are you vit b12 or B17 or B complex deficient? 

Check it out.  B17 deficiency causes depression and all manner of stuff depending on your weakness
I don't know, I see my doctor regularly and he does blood work.

Again don't assume that I am like you or everyone else, I know my health condition better than anyone else. And if it is pity as you say it is then explain to me why I did so well in college? Right, it doesn't make sense because it's not pity or self loathing. I even stuck around in college for a year after getting severe depression. The situation isn't as black and white as you would like to believe Visitor.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 16:01:33
Plasma - I just want to say I fully understand this as I'm also in the same boat. I'm lucky in that I've found a job where I can work from home at my own hours on a computer, but otherwise life is tough.

Sending you plenty of kind, loving thoughts.  :-)
Thanks a lot for the love and support. It looks like Mr. Visitor over here needs to have some health conditions in his next incarnation to be more understanding like us. LOL


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 16:08:06
Plasma... We can't see the future like that. There's too many variables. Robots will take jobs, but that doesn't mean there wont be new type of jobs.
Your health might be declining but the modern medicine is getting more and more advanced.
Things will get better because people understand theses things, when something goes wrong people complain until it's fixed.
Humanity is not doomed yet.
Listen, I know it's tough and being disabled is really not something to look forward to, but you can't give up so easily just because you think that things are bad around you doesn't mean they wont get better.
If you're in america I know health care is terribly expensive and it sucks but they'll figure something out.
They can't let people die like that. And as we climb the years it's gonna get worse for them if they keep doing it because people know these thing.
Every year that passes people realize "What? 2020 and still no health insurance? are you kidding me?"
There will be riots until it's fixed trust me.
This really isn't about robots taking our jobs, this is about my love for my family and my declining health. And I am very optimistic about our future, so I don't want you to get the wrong idea. I love researching about new technologies and stuff like that. I have health insurance through Obamacare, I see my doctor and psychiatrist regularly.  That isn't the issue. If there was something more that could be done it would have been done. I have seen over a dozen specialists and they still aren't much closer to getting back to my normal self. But they have helped greatly and saved my life and for that I am grateful. But as of now there is only so much that can be done. Thank you for your concern Kzaal.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 25, 2017, 16:13:21
you should forget about karma. It's a weight on you don't let it run your life. Don't do things becuase you think it's good or bad. Just do what you want for yourself and you will be happy you did so.

I know this isn't the best thing to write when someone is talking about sucide but I mean what I said.
Yeah I see what you mean, I wish things were that simple though. Thanks for chiming in funfire.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: ThaomasOfGrey on August 25, 2017, 23:22:49
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I have a foot problem where I can't walk much, I have digestive issues where I can only eat a limited amount of certain foods, I have tinnitus and hearing loss, all of these are chronic long term problems that I've had for years.

It sounds like the Wim Hof Method might be able to help you. People have gone from being utterly bed-ridden with arthritis, or Parkinson's, to climbing Mt Kilimanjaro in a matter of months. It works well for digestive issues too, basically cured my auto immune condition with wheat.

I suggest you try out this video and focus on your pain in an energy healing style mindset. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAhAOTXHeNs.

Cold exposure takes the healing benefits to the next level. All the science is here: http://www.athletespotential.com/uploads/2/4/7/3/24730224/cold-stress.pdf

On the digestion issue again, intermittent fasting - google 5 hour or warrior diet for when to eat. Healthy fat based diets for what to eat. It cures a lot of illnesses. Look into "modified atkins" for cancer and epilepsy.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Visitor on August 26, 2017, 07:41:22
I agree with you TOG about the cold therapy part...I grew up in temperate climate and landed working in Scandinavian winters...typically the project would last through the autumn to spring and I would get summer off to go Southern Hemisphere to another winter to family!  I would say after 15 years of that, that I am now immune to cold.  Unfortunately old age breakdowns means I can't live in cold ...which I loved.... doesn't suit arthritis too well....but then old age isn't for the snowflakes.

It all comes under the heading...what doesn't kill, strengthens!  

To this OP person I would say...you confirmed my suspicion..... diet is indeed one of your biggest problems.  Probiotics ...everything pickled in brine naturally and not pasteurised...also yoghurt....uncooked vegetables....don't go buying off the shelf pickled stuff that has been processed and has every bacteria killed.....it will sort your digest problems and others too no doubt since once you have imbalance ..all hell breaks lose.  Your system needs bacteria.  Once your gut bacteria are gone your system cannot tolerate much....gut bacteria is what processes the food.....so restoring that through probiotics and fresh fruit and veg of all kinds for different strains will return the digestive ability to process food back to completely normal and you can eat everything again.  And quickly too. Simple really.

Learn to make your own.....salt water and vegetables!  But the quantity of salt to water needs to be right or the salt kills the bacteria...so be careful with recipe.  

If you can't eat food...you are likely down on all needed vitamins which means hormones are not on track.....back to that....lack of b complex, critical b12 and 17 ...toss in vit C since all fruit and veg is too old in the shops to contain any...helps the immune system etc ....is what has you with depression, ptsd, sleep problems, nightmares etc etc...it's a system in chaos.   Look it up!  Huge health studies have been done and published...huge money spent...top universities involved....this is not a recent discovery.  Your body then breaks down and all hell is loose.

You are intelligent enough to start reading and see the sense.  Doctors want money...there is no incentive to fix you.  You have to fix yourself and get out their pockets.  You are a cash cow for them right now.

Google it...vitb12 health problems..... etc the rest.  Don't take my word for it. 

Right away go to a health store...a good reputable one...get some probiotic cabbage ....kimchi or sauerkraut...some probiotic yoghurt....out the fridge....must be live bacteria so always in the fridge.  Make sure of this!  Eat it!  You will notice a difference right away to your diet and within days you can eat everything...get some b complex especially with b12 and b17.... sublingual since your digestive system is shot.  And that as they say is that.  End of depression...nightmares...ptsd...tinnitus....the works!  A good diet....healthy digestive system providing nutrients to allow hormones to get manufactured and used.....gets the system back into order.

Antibiotics are nothing more than fungus.  Which is one reasons doctors are now understanding how really dangerous it is and what it does to the body.....and probably the cause of cancer.  Avoid all antibiotics and all fungus...including mushrooms.  You can't kill fungus...the stuff is even growing on the outside of the space lab having gotten there from down here!  

It isn't a magic pill...but close enough...it's a magic mouthful!

You can mope about feeling sorry for yourself and make stupid plans to kill yourself over it or you get grow up and take responsibility to clean up your system and keep a clean house.  

There is a reason I am pro prevention.  It's not accidental or because I felt like it.  

Clean your system
Get a five point plan to improve your health
Get  a five point plan to improve your income
Get a five point plan to improve your life

And be aware that your thoughts, your beliefs, what you spend your time doing, thinking about is what traps you to the grey and the negativity which is then a repeat cycle.  

Take a long walk to get some endorphins kick in...at least an hour.
Do some meditation

Do anything that improves your mood....even dreaming of what you want your life to become helps you alter your mood and start to dissipate the clouds...you pull yourself out.

It seems you have no problems with planning...you just spend it on negative plans!  So switch sides to positive and redo the plan.....and carry on.

And no!  I am intolerant of all this because it is just so easy to sort it out.  Why tolerate failure when success is just easier?  

Think about it.  We have to work really hard to bonk up a system that works perfectly and heals itself perfectly!  Everything about us and our lives would be perfection if we just didn't bonk it up by not doing the right thing.  


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Nameless on August 26, 2017, 20:28:05
Plasma what is obvious to me is that you care so much for your family, those you feel either responsible for or indebted to. I think most of us can understand that although some maybe better than others. I would do most anything for MY family.

I am one of those people that did have a NDE. My experience was so unlike anything I had ever read as those are usually relegated to religious dogma as you pointed out in a reply. It took me a couple of years to sort and even begin to understand much of what happened but I feel I should share a part with you.

The actual experience and details are not important, the message is. The message was simply that as I have my own road to travel so do each and every member of my family and while I am expected to help them along the way with loving support it is not my business what they choose to do. THEY have to pull themselves out of their own conflicting and constraining thought patterns and ways, not me. Only they can do THEIR work as only I can do MINE.

I hope that makes sense. It is noble to put your family first but it is not possible to walk their path for them.

Hugs and Kindness


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Phildan1 on August 26, 2017, 20:47:02
I should add my point here after dear Nameless.

Just a though example from first hand. I have a father, who manifested himself Parkinson's disease. He suffers from himself, FORCING everything on others in the past and present and on his own body - he is like spreading his suffering from thinking the bad way (and he is religious too, no surprise), he just never will able to intellectually understand that HE did this to HIMSELF and nobody else - I will soon leave him to live alone. Also my brother is suffering from himself, not so much as my dad, but not just they both, EVERYbody has their own path. You could love your family as much as you can, but you can't live other's life ever. Everybody responsible for only their lives, thoughts, choices and actions. Now the negative side is that people will drag you down to their hell.
And as long as you have a good hearted family which is rare, You are living your life and making your own path.

First of all you should search deep inside for your beliefs, what are you thinking about your own health. I'm sure you could someday find evidence that your health problems are rooted deep inside in your NP mind's background and you should change your thinking. Your body will automatically catch up with reprogramming your "subconscious" and you can be much better, also your health problems could diminish.
This also works on work or being financially independent. It is up to you. People don't want to work on themselves, here you go Planet Earth. So much sick, people, mentally and egoistical, trying to blame each other.

Some people here suggested this and that. You could eath more healthy if you didn't and take in pills, but as long as the main cause of your belief in your health and life won't change, your body won't neither and your situation. It is up to you only. If somebody tries to change him/herself, I guess miracles could happen.
Here is a little example. I was myopic for a long time until 4 years ago. I had enough. I'm always learning and doing whatever is needed to change something. I did it and got my vision back to clear for far and near-sight. It was a big belief that I have short-sightedness sitting in front of PC and gaming as a teenager back than. Oh comeon and there are people who have - after the same amount of screen staring - normal sight.

So your challenges are there, I guess you can do it and change your reality. Remember that you are not on the mercy of circumstances and people's opinions, not even physical stuff - you are projecting out everything on your body and others with your thoughts. Don't give up, you are becoming as you are making decisions and choices.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 27, 2017, 00:00:20
It sounds like the Wim Hof Method might be able to help you. People have gone from being utterly bed-ridden with arthritis, or Parkinson's, to climbing Mt Kilimanjaro in a matter of months. It works well for digestive issues too, basically cured my auto immune condition with wheat.

I suggest you try out this video and focus on your pain in an energy healing style mindset. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAhAOTXHeNs.

Cold exposure takes the healing benefits to the next level. All the science is here: http://www.athletespotential.com/uploads/2/4/7/3/24730224/cold-stress.pdf

On the digestion issue again, intermittent fasting - google 5 hour or warrior diet for when to eat. Healthy fat based diets for what to eat. It cures a lot of illnesses. Look into "modified atkins" for cancer and epilepsy.
Dude that is a lot of stuff to read. I'll do what I can. I'm skeptical of alternative therapies but I'll look into it and see if it's something that can work for me.  :-)


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 27, 2017, 00:12:37
I agree with you TOG about the cold therapy part...I grew up in temperate climate and landed working in Scandinavian winters...typically the project would last through the autumn to spring and I would get summer off to go Southern Hemisphere to another winter to family!  I would say after 15 years of that, that I am now immune to cold.  Unfortunately old age breakdowns means I can't live in cold ...which I loved.... doesn't suit arthritis too well....but then old age isn't for the snowflakes.

It all comes under the heading...what doesn't kill, strengthens!  

To this OP person I would say...you confirmed my suspicion..... diet is indeed one of your biggest problems.  Probiotics ...everything pickled in brine naturally and not pasteurised...also yoghurt....uncooked vegetables....don't go buying off the shelf pickled stuff that has been processed and has every bacteria killed.....it will sort your digest problems and others too no doubt since once you have imbalance ..all hell breaks lose.  Your system needs bacteria.  Once your gut bacteria are gone your system cannot tolerate much....gut bacteria is what processes the food.....so restoring that through probiotics and fresh fruit and veg of all kinds for different strains will return the digestive ability to process food back to completely normal and you can eat everything again.  And quickly too. Simple really.

Learn to make your own.....salt water and vegetables!  But the quantity of salt to water needs to be right or the salt kills the bacteria...so be careful with recipe.  

If you can't eat food...you are likely down on all needed vitamins which means hormones are not on track.....back to that....lack of b complex, critical b12 and 17 ...toss in vit C since all fruit and veg is too old in the shops to contain any...helps the immune system etc ....is what has you with depression, ptsd, sleep problems, nightmares etc etc...it's a system in chaos.   Look it up!  Huge health studies have been done and published...huge money spent...top universities involved....this is not a recent discovery.  Your body then breaks down and all hell is loose.

You are intelligent enough to start reading and see the sense.  Doctors want money...there is no incentive to fix you.  You have to fix yourself and get out their pockets.  You are a cash cow for them right now.

Google it...vitb12 health problems..... etc the rest.  Don't take my word for it. 

Right away go to a health store...a good reputable one...get some probiotic cabbage ....kimchi or sauerkraut...some probiotic yoghurt....out the fridge....must be live bacteria so always in the fridge.  Make sure of this!  Eat it!  You will notice a difference right away to your diet and within days you can eat everything...get some b complex especially with b12 and b17.... sublingual since your digestive system is shot.  And that as they say is that.  End of depression...nightmares...ptsd...tinnitus....the works!  A good diet....healthy digestive system providing nutrients to allow hormones to get manufactured and used.....gets the system back into order.

Antibiotics are nothing more than fungus.  Which is one reasons doctors are now understanding how really dangerous it is and what it does to the body.....and probably the cause of cancer.  Avoid all antibiotics and all fungus...including mushrooms.  You can't kill fungus...the stuff is even growing on the outside of the space lab having gotten there from down here!  

It isn't a magic pill...but close enough...it's a magic mouthful!

You can mope about feeling sorry for yourself and make stupid plans to kill yourself over it or you get grow up and take responsibility to clean up your system and keep a clean house.  

There is a reason I am pro prevention.  It's not accidental or because I felt like it.  

Clean your system
Get a five point plan to improve your health
Get  a five point plan to improve your income
Get a five point plan to improve your life

And be aware that your thoughts, your beliefs, what you spend your time doing, thinking about is what traps you to the grey and the negativity which is then a repeat cycle.  

Take a long walk to get some endorphins kick in...at least an hour.
Do some meditation

Do anything that improves your mood....even dreaming of what you want your life to become helps you alter your mood and start to dissipate the clouds...you pull yourself out.

It seems you have no problems with planning...you just spend it on negative plans!  So switch sides to positive and redo the plan.....and carry on.

And no!  I am intolerant of all this because it is just so easy to sort it out.  Why tolerate failure when success is just easier?  

Think about it.  We have to work really hard to bonk up a system that works perfectly and heals itself perfectly!  Everything about us and our lives would be perfection if we just didn't bonk it up by not doing the right thing.
I see about the therapy. I just brought some probiotics we'll see if that helps. I'm skeptical but it might work. And I've already got vitamin B12 that I will use. But I've already used it in the past and it didn't do much, so I'm skeptical. Lastly I don't think my condition is as easy to fix as you seem to make it. I use to research all kinds of alternative therapies that never did much of anything for me. But I'll see. Thanks for your concern.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 27, 2017, 00:21:45
Plasma what is obvious to me is that you care so much for your family, those you feel either responsible for or indebted to. I think most of us can understand that although some maybe better than others. I would do most anything for MY family.

Yes this. I do feel indebted to them. That is why I feel I must go above and beyond to help them.

I am one of those people that did have a NDE. My experience was so unlike anything I had ever read as those are usually relegated to religious dogma as you pointed out in a reply. It took me a couple of years to sort and even begin to understand much of what happened but I feel I should share a part with you.

The actual experience and details are not important, the message is. The message was simply that as I have my own road to travel so do each and every member of my family and while I am expected to help them along the way with loving support it is not my business what they choose to do. THEY have to pull themselves out of their own conflicting and constraining thought patterns and ways, not me. Only they can do THEIR work as only I can do MINE.

I hope that makes sense. It is noble to put your family first but it is not possible to walk their path for them.

Hugs and Kindness
Thank you so much for sharing your NDE. I too have learned that people must learn from their own mistakes. Sometimes I get so worked up over the political stuff that is going on and then I just realize that it really doesn't matter that much anyway, because it will regulate itself. I am a democrat because I think they are the lessor of two evils. So when Trump became president I just said OK they will have to learn from their own mistakes that that is a bad idea. And it's crazy that my brother that benefited so much from democrats his whole life all of the sudden wants to go republican after he starts making good money. So I get it. We can't be too pushy otherwise it can backfire too. Which is a big reason we need to let them make their own mistakes. Now the question becomes does giving them money help them or hinder them in learning and growing? I think to answer that is difficult because it depends on the family. Thanks for chiming in Nameless.  :-)


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: baro-san on August 27, 2017, 00:26:16
I see about the therapy. I just brought some probiotics we'll see if that helps. I'm skeptical but it might work. And I've already got vitamin B12 that I will use. But I've already used it in the past and it didn't do much, so I'm skeptical. Lastly I don't think my condition is as easy to fix as you seem to make it. I use to research all kinds of alternative therapies that never did much of anything for me. But I'll see. Thanks for your concern.

Like in everything, details matter. B12 comes in many forms. The methylcobalamin is the more active form. Injections are much more effective. Concentration matters. I know these because my wife suffers of pernicious anemia, and biweekly injections are vital for her. Consult a naturopath doctor about these!


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: baro-san on August 27, 2017, 00:32:30
... And it's crazy that my brother that benefited so much from democrats his whole life all of the sudden wants to go republican after he starts making good money. ...

I believe that is defectuous reasoning ... "good / bad" shouldn't be dictated by your personal interest! You don't live to get, but to do!


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 27, 2017, 01:12:45
Just a though example from first hand. I have a father, who manifested himself Parkinson's disease. He suffers from himself, FORCING everything on others in the past and present and on his own body - he is like spreading his suffering from thinking the bad way (and he is religious too, no surprise), he just never will able to intellectually understand that HE did this to HIMSELF and nobody else - I will soon leave him to live alone. Also my brother is suffering from himself, not so much as my dad, but not just they both, EVERYbody has their own path.

I take the middle ground when it comes to the idea that we manifest diseases. I think some health conditions are manifested by our thoughts like obesity and diabetes while others are not. Certainly nobody would say to an old man, "you manifested an aging body because of your negative thoughts." LOL So obviously some conditions are manifested by our thoughts while others are manifested by age, random chance, or genetics. Cancer is in fact random to a large degree. Anyway you get the idea. And yes for me I would say that my thoughts in part created the condition I am in the problem is that damage to the physical body has already been done.

Here is a little example. I was myopic for a long time until 4 years ago. I had enough. I'm always learning and doing whatever is needed to change something. I did it and got my vision back to clear for far and near-sight. It was a big belief that I have short-sightedness sitting in front of PC and gaming as a teenager back than. Oh comeon and there are people who have - after the same amount of screen staring - normal sight.

Interesting story. I do know that I have some really bad negative deep seated emotions, but I doubt that changing them would make me get better. I think I've damaged my physical body too the point where it can't fix itself. But I hope your right and that it can be fixed by just dealing with my underlying beliefs and emotions.

So your challenges are there, I guess you can do it and change your reality. Remember that you are not on the mercy of circumstances and people's opinions, not even physical stuff - you are projecting out everything on your body and others with your thoughts. Don't give up, you are becoming as you are making decisions and choices.

I wish it's as easy as you say it is. Yes I do need to do more work on myself. Thanks for chiming in Phildan1.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 27, 2017, 01:14:57
Like in everything, details matter. B12 comes in many forms. The methylcobalamin is the more active form. Injections are much more effective. Concentration matters. I know these because my wife suffers of pernicious anemia, and biweekly injections are vital for her. Consult a naturopath doctor about these!
I've got methylcobalamin which is taken subliminally. One time I had so much in my system that the doctors office called me to tell me it was very high. LOL Though she said that it's probably fine, but that they just had to let me know I had a lot of it in my system.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: baro-san on August 27, 2017, 01:20:23
I've got methylcobalamin which is taken subliminally. One time I had so much in my system that the doctors office called me to tell me it was very high. LOL Though she said that it's probably fine, but that they just had to let me know I had a lot of it in my system.

You probably meant sublingually. Injections are much more effective. As far as I know the excess B12 is eliminated in urine (you'll see redish),  and there are generally no side effects. At some point my wife thought that she may have got migranes from overdosing, which proved incorrect, and she wasn't overdosing.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: PlasmaAstralProjection on August 27, 2017, 01:30:48
My Dream
I just had a dream while taking a nap during the day. In the dream you's convinced me that I should wait 10 years before doing this so that I could be with my nephew until he's older. Which in real life is a good idea. But I just don't know how practical it is. But yes I will try to prolong my life as much as I can if I take the route of the martyr.

Then later in my sleep while dreaming I had a very deep sense of sorrow, and I was crying because I knew that I messed so much in my life it was like a cry from hell almost. EIDT: I was trying to look into a mirror too while crying. The thing is is that I was warned about this many years ago through prophesies from my dad. As bad  as my dad was with his fundamentalist christian thinking, I do believe that some higher power tried to warn him and I about the what was to come. And what came was a time of great emotional stress years later that took a big toll on my emotional health for quite some time. And obviously I am still trying to work out that negative trauma. As it's still haunting me in my dreams.

I recently started taking amitriptyline which is causing all these negative emotions from my past to come up in dreams.

I just want to thank all of you's so much for your love and support. Even though we don't agree on everything I still feel the love from all of you's here. And for that I am grateful for everyone that has been here to help me from my first post to my current post. Thanks again to everyone here.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Visitor on August 27, 2017, 10:12:59
With exception of Vit b17 which I haven't investigated fully so don't yet know...vit B is destroyed naturally by oxygen within hours.  So no problems overdosing.  Same with C.  In fact it was my doc who gave me that hint way back decades ago and I have used both ever since in high doses.  Lifespan is max 4 hours so I used the tablets for slow release in winter and high stress situations...like when flying so no sleep and heavy workload when I land! 

The body will heal itself and self correct ....UNLESS..... there is some reason for pre-existing permanent damage done with use of drugs like meths etc.  Then it's a very different story.  Damage like this cannot self correct.  But I stand corrected on this too since the body is amazing...given time and will of the person...it may.  We do live in a quantum world so all things are possible with enough focus and will.  It's just that in his situation you know loads more will be needed to heal the scars.

As to your previous trauma...why are you still holding onto it?  Emotions are like nasty kids demanding attention.  Let it go.  Write the thing out...burn it up...let it go.  Keep doing it till you have let it go.  You need to reach a place where yes, it was hard...no you no longer are upset by how hard it was...just neutral...and maybe can see that it was necessary.  It speaks of a stubborn nature that is holding onto all hurts and grudges.  What a waste of energy to have to recreate all this every day.  Every day you have to remember what happened...what you felt etc amen.....just to feel it again so you can relive the negativity and keep it fresh.  Let go...let god.

But it's also all part of your challenge that you came with a stubborn nature to hold on to all emotional slights that get internalised so the poison festers..That bile gets churned up....and eats you up inside.

Finding inner peace, inner stability and ability for inner poise....to find that place inside you that is your inner link to the light where calmness, love and peace exist....to let go, let god...is what is needed...... there is a saying...search and you shall find.  I know it exists because I found it.  I felt peace where you knew that doing something or not doing something...it was all fine...it was all peace....and unfortunately when it descended I was driving and had to break at the bottom of the hill....there wasn't such a thing as doing or not doing at the speed I was going!  So I came back...it dissipated.....but that memory of it lasting so long and how it felt, is with me always. 

All this is available for you when you are tired of living negatively and defending the negativity until you are even willing to give your life to it...so strongly are you it's prisoner.

let go of all the past slights, hurt emotions...it's always hurt emotions!...this is entire world is the realm of emotions and lessons based on emotions....it's always emotions that hound us and bind us to negativity.  There is a vast difference between emotions that are temporary...and feelings which are not.  Without emotions we are perfect!  The positive emotions are fine...but the negative are a bag of tricks.  You will know this when I say that even hatred is an emotion...and even when you hate there is a kernel of space inside you that loves.  When you are angry, there is the place of peace always there.  And of course all these emotions are normal...even Christ battled with them.  We have him as mentor and know he was wretched with them too!  Gethsemane is all about him grappling with fear at what was to come...even he was scared senseless and asked for help!

look for the light...for the positive ...the other end of the spectrum that always, always exists for everything, everyone and everywhere. 

We do all have our own growth path and we do have our own challenges...the more we grow the harder the path gets.  Even if there is damage from drugs...that's how you elected to set up the test so you can work hard through it focusing and using will...to achieve whatever you wanted from the sheer energy needed to use to win through....it's all part of the challenge, part of the learning. 

Don't look at how you got to where you are...you had to work really hard to set it up....it's not important how you got there....you had to get there....you had to set up the circumstances so you can learn the lesson.  So past slights and hurts were necessary to get where you are now. it's your life purpose.....just look at where you are going and how to get there. 

How to get out of this slime pit is what you were born to learn. 

Forgive everyone, they only helped you set up the lesson...forget everything past...it was only needed to help you get to the start line.  And it took so long!  Now you are ready...let the lesson begin.  Work to get out.

Quantum existence says whatever you focus on with enough attention....will become reality.  The more intense...the faster.  So attention and intention.

There is no room for dissipating your attention with negative escapism.  What a waste of so many years setting up the test...for you to take the first exit.  It's your growth so nobody can stop you....but what a waste when you now have full knowledge to act as support helping you push forward.  Next time you may not have this....so double blind facing this huge mountain to climb. 

Phildan I hold you in awe!  You self corrected myopia?  With eye exercises?  How long did it take?  I have never heard anyone saying they worked so I am interested.  My eyes are changing ...old age though ...so this is the interest.  Quantum world...might still be possible......so let me know what worked!




Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Kzaal on August 27, 2017, 11:02:46
Lots will change in the next 10 years plasma, keep working hard.
Take it one day at a time. If today is a bad day maybe tomorrow will be better.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Nameless on August 27, 2017, 16:59:48
Here's to the rest of your life Plasma. Regardless of your situation there is always something to explore and something to learn. Become the explorer. :-)


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: ThaomasOfGrey on August 27, 2017, 20:48:42
Dude that is a lot of stuff to read. I'll do what I can. I'm skeptical of alternative therapies but I'll look into it and see if it's something that can work for me.  :-)

True, I put forward 4 separate concepts at once, I take them with a grain of salt and sample to find what works for me in reality, but the Wim Hof Method is where I would put the most stock and where I have the most personal experience to confirm the benefits. It's good to be skeptical. WHM has some interesting feats for healing though:

  • Cured frost bite in a toe, in 2 days, that medical professionals said would need to be amputated.
  • Cured auto immune conditions like multiple sclerosis and parkinsons in many individuals within months.
  • A women with boiling water burns on 6% of her skin healed to the degree that surgeons had never seen within 1 week.
  • A man had his arm broken by a horse kick and used the method to control the pain and heal in record time.

It reads like a mystic guru list for sure, however it is quite practical and logical, the science behind how this works has been confirmed in controlled studies in Holland. The 40 odd world records achieved with the method sort of prove there is something new going on there. The method has a physical component and an energy / emotional healing component. I would just try the 10 minute video once and see if you feel better physically, if not, let it go.

Good luck with the quest for healing, whatever you find.


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: desert-rat on August 28, 2017, 15:07:49
I dont know if this was brought up as this is a long post and I did not read the other posts .   Besides moral and karmic problems there are legal ones .   People have been made to account for stuff they posted over the net .  i.p. addresses can be tracked .   There is no way I would tell some one to harm or kill them selvs .  Now if some one were in very poor health and took there own life , I would understand .  

p.s.   There are some creative visualition/l.o.a. methods.  Ever watch the secret ?   


Title: Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help?
Post by: Xanth on August 29, 2017, 02:53:49
Locking this up.

However, being the admin has some privileges... such as the final word!  AH HA!  :)

Plasma...
Learn to help your family in other ways.
It's more important to be in the lives of the ones you love.
LOVE is what's important.  Next important is a positive perspective.
You have a lot to learn and you learn nothing by not existing here.