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Title: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 11, 2018, 04:04:33
Okay, so I tried for many years trying to go OBE through meditation and other tricks and flicks.  I had very limited success. One very short lucid dream and a few half OBE's.  I finally just gave up ion it because it was so time consuming.

So a few weeks ago I came across Kelly Howell's site and I decided to give it another try.
I'm glad I made that decision because I'm only 4 weeks into her tapes and I've already had 3 profound lucid dreams.

The way her tapes work is they are filled with subliminal message, so all you have to do is just listen to them and your subconscious mind will do the rest and bring forth your AP or LD.

Link: http://www.brainsync.com/

Lucid dreaming: http://www.brainsync.com/audio-store/subliminals/lucid-dreaming.html
Astral projection: http://www.brainsync.com/audio-store/subliminals/astral-travel.html

You dont even have to meditate to listen to them.  You can listen to them while surfing the web, watching TV....etc....etc.
Some of the tapes you can even listen to while driving.

I've had more success with LD in the last 4 weeks then I had the entire 8 years before that


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Kree on September 11, 2018, 06:56:11
Might try this as I just found it for free.  Though I don't see how it could help with conscious projection. The only times I've had success were when I was obsessed with ap and it staying in my subconsciousness made LDs possible so this should work like that.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Lumaza on September 11, 2018, 07:02:37
Okay, so I tried for many years trying to go OBE through meditation and other tricks and flicks.  I had very limited success. One very short lucid dream and a few half OBE's.  I finally just gave up ion it because it was so time consuming.

So a few weeks ago I came across Kelly Howell's site and I decided to give it another try.
I'm glad I made that decision because I'm only 4 weeks into her tapes and I've already had 3 profound lucid dreams.

The way her tapes work is they are filled with subliminal message, so all you have to do is just listen to them and your subconscious mind will do the rest and bring forth your AP or LD.

Link: http://www.brainsync.com/

Lucid dreaming: http://www.brainsync.com/audio-store/subliminals/lucid-dreaming.html
Astral projection: http://www.brainsync.com/audio-store/subliminals/astral-travel.html

You dont even have to meditate to listen to them.  You can listen to them while surfing the web, watching TV....etc....etc.
Some of the tapes you can even listen to while driving.

I've had more success with LD in the last 4 weeks then I had the entire 8 years before that
I can vouch for your comments above as well. Years ago when I first started my Journey's down this path, I too bought programs from Kelly Howe. The Brainsync lineup is very good. I then uploaded them to my MP3 player and use/d them often. I never noticed the subliminal messages, since they were well hidden in the Music, but they always seemed to "prime the pump" for me and very quickly as well.

 Nowadays, she has many more new tracks.  She is still active in my email listings, which says a lot for her. The first thing I do on a Forum is to turn email notifications off. I don't like Spam mail and don't sign up for websites that ask my email anymore either, which means I don't sign up for websites anymore, lol, since all of them want a email address now. But Kelly's mail is always welcome.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Lumaza on September 11, 2018, 07:04:15
Might try this as I just found it for free.  Though I don't see how it could help with conscious projection. The only times I've had success were when I was obsessed with ap and it staying in my subconsciousness made LDs possible so this should work like that.
They are very calming to the mind. They won't project "for" you though. They will just help set the stage, per se.  :-)


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 11, 2018, 07:22:37
I don't see how it could help with conscious projection
Put it this way, last week I was surfing the web while listening to her AP tape, and I could feel the vibrations of an OBE coming on.  I didnt pop out though, but I feel an OBE should happen soon (maybe within the next month or two). You dont need to lie down or meditate for her audio to work.  Her website says you have to give it at least 4 to 6 weeks before you see results


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Windwalker. on September 11, 2018, 07:40:53
You said “Im four weeks into her tapes”........the link you post is for one dvd. Is that what you refer to or is there more material? Thanks!


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Windwalker. on September 11, 2018, 07:45:52
Nevermind. It shows more links for more mp3s after you load the first tape in your cart. It says “you may be interested in theses mp3s as well.” There is one titled “Lucid dreaming” and one titled “Astral projection.” Which one did you use/prefer? This could get expensive at ten bucks per mp3!


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Lumaza on September 11, 2018, 07:52:22
Nevermind. It shows more links for more mp3s after you load the first tape in your cart. It says “you may be interested in theses mp3s as well.” There is one titled “Lucid dreaming” and one titled “Astral projection.” Which one did you use/prefer? This could get expensive at ten bucks per mp3!
There are many titles there. If you wish to go this route, just pick one that defines your goal.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 11, 2018, 08:12:56
Nevermind. It shows more links for more mp3s after you load the first tape in your cart. It says “you may be interested in theses mp3s as well.” There is one titled “Lucid dreaming” and one titled “Astral projection.” Which one did you use/prefer? This could get expensive at ten bucks per mp3!
I'm currently using both.  I'm also using Deep Insight.

You can use multiple tapes mdaily


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 11, 2018, 08:14:22
There are many titles there. If you wish to go this route, just pick one that defines your goal
Yes exactly.  Pick a bunch that suit your need.

For example Deep sleep and finding love isnt exactly at the top of my list right now, but it might be for others.

Also if you know how filesharing works you can find this stuff for free


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Nameless on September 11, 2018, 08:31:44
I also have a couple Kelly Howell mp3s. They do really do help. I don't normally need these but sometimes a boost is much appreciated. It's great to hear from someone who hasn't had success say they work. And her track record is great as Lumaza said above.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: baro-san on September 11, 2018, 11:45:39
I dislike the idea of subliminal messages. I can't trust an unknown person to plug an unknown something into my subconscious. At the minimum they should give you a written transcript of the subliminal message. And ... you shouldn't listen to such tapes while driving !!!


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 11, 2018, 21:06:37
I dislike the idea of subliminal messages. I can't trust an unknown person to plug an unknown something into my subconscious. At the minimum they should give you a written transcript of the subliminal message. And ... you shouldn't listen to such tapes while driving !!!
You are already showing troll behaviour of someone who I dont like.

If you had clicked on the link you'd be able to quickly see what the subliminal messages are:

For example: http://www.brainsync.com/audio-store/subliminals/astral-travel.html

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Subliminal Affirmations on this Program:
 
    Infinite realities exist beyond the physical plane. The gateway to the inner world is always open to me.
    I already know how to travel freely through the inner planes.
    I am more than my body. I am a powerful spiritual being, a multidimensional being.
    I am always exploring the mystery and majesty that lies beyond the material plane. Only now I am more aware.
    I am willing to enjoy intensity of traveling through the other dimensions.
    Transferring awareness to my light body is as natural to me as breathing.
    Activating my energy body is natural and feels good.
    I remain calm and relaxed when vibrations begin.
    Exit-related distractions are natural, I stay calm, detached and just let them happen.
    Sensations of resonating at a higher vibrational frequency feel good. I stay calm and serene.
    The calmer I remain, the easier it is to separate.
    I allow the energies to expand and propel me where I want to go.
    I am aware at the exact moment to separate quickly, easily and effortlessly.
    Go! I say explore the universe. Expand awareness. Return with full memory.
    It is my destiny to embody full spiritual power. I am ready now.
    In higher dimensions phenomena is natural. I enjoy everything new and unusual.
    I insist on remembering my out of body experiences. I remember my journeys.
    I travel through many dimensions every night. Only now I am training my mind to focus and remember.
    The more I practice remembering, more memories return to me.
    Clear and powerful memories of all my non-physical experiences return to me. I am remembering well.
    While I am out of body, I become aware that I am out of body.
    I demand higher knowledge; I am willing to practice and learn.
    I Demand clarity. I Demand awareness. Apply my will to stay focused and in control.
    While I am out of body, I am forceful and clear with my commands. My thoughts and intentions take me where I want to go.
    I travel on the speed of thought and am propelled by the power of intention.
    Higher self guide me now! Bring us closer together. Show me what I need to know!
    I am eternally safe, immortal and indestructible.
    Confronting any challenge is easy. Obstacles dissolve when I use my power and insist on absolute truth.
    The more I practice remembering, the easier it is to remember.
    Clear memories of all my non-physical experiences return to me. I remember everything important to my spiritual evolution.
    I set the perfect time and place to practice.
    I know the perfect moment transfer awareness.
    It’s natural to travel beyond the physical plane and remember. I let go and trust. Astral travel is fun and empowering.
    While I am dreaming I remember that I am dreaming.
    I become lucid and aware in my dreams.
    I separate quickly, smoothly and with ease.
    I return safely with full memory

And yes, you can drive perfectly fine on some of her tapes


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Windwalker. on September 11, 2018, 22:59:52
Im curious if youve ever listed to the Monroe wave 1 CD and how it stacks up against this subliminal Astral cd as far as actual obe results go? Also-i would be getting the mp3 file to stream by bluetooth. Do you think that would hurt quality? Thanks for the link! Looks promising. Especially by the positive reviews.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 12, 2018, 00:33:15
Im curious if youve ever listed to the Monroe wave 1 CD and how it stacks up against this subliminal Astral cd as far as actual obe results go? Also-i would be getting the mp3 file to stream by bluetooth. Do you think that would hurt quality? Thanks for the link! Looks promising. Especially by the positive reviews.
MP3 on bluetooth should work fine, so long as you're not using mono but stereo headphones for the subliminal tapes of course.
Dont use one of these: https://n4.sdlcdn.com/imgs/b/2/q/images_001-987b4.jpg

Monroe wave 1 CD I never got much use out of, but others swear by it.  To each their own


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Windwalker. on September 12, 2018, 02:29:55
Hey fresco!
How did u personally listen before you found results? Did u ONLY listen while web surfing or did you also listen as a meditation tool? How long from your first listen til u had ur first obe? Do u think it may have been because your intent was so high to have an obe that your intent is what gave you the experience vs. the tapes? Like say i order the mp3 and listen today. And im super psyched with hopes that they will work. Maybe it was my “super psyched-ness” that initiated the obe and not the tapes. Or do u attribute the tapes 100%? Ill give u my results as soon as i order and listen. I hope it increases the frequency of obes during “lull” times. Thanks! Latr.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Volgerle on September 12, 2018, 03:22:38
I've used Brainsync amongst others for many years. I find them also well done and soothing and good for meditation or relaxation.

However I rarely did the subliminals and I think they did not work for me when I tried.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Lumaza on September 12, 2018, 03:57:49
You are already showing troll behaviour of someone who I dont like.

If you had clicked on the link you'd be able to quickly see what the subliminal messages are:

For example: http://www.brainsync.com/audio-store/subliminals/astral-travel.html


Careful there! Baro-san is only giving you his opinion. He is very intelligent and does not make hasty decisions. He is right though about mindlessly opening yourself up to subliminal messages. We get enough of them daily now as it is.

 I trust Kelly's programs. I listened to a video she made years ago where she shared her personal intents. Last night I found that the four pack that I purchased from her years ago did not have subliminal messages in it, like Volgerle mentioned. One of them used a ocean setting of crashing waves though.

 
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And yes, you can drive perfectly fine on some of her tapes
People say the same thing about "texting" and driving as well. Your focus should stay 100% on driving. Binaural Beats are made to kind of scramble your focus. One frequency works on one ear, another on the other, creating a third in the middle. It's all about relaxing and tuning out/turning off. That's the opposite of what you want to do while driving.  

 


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 12, 2018, 05:29:14
Hey fresco!
How did u personally listen before you found results? Did u ONLY listen while web surfing or did you also listen as a meditation tool?
I listen to them while driving, while watching TV, while surfing the web and sometimes when I'm lying in bed

How long from your first listen til u had ur first obe?
Between 2 and 3 weeks.  Dont force it, just let it happen

Do u think it may have been because your intent was so high to have an obe that your intent is what gave you the experience vs. the tapes?
No, not really

And im super psyched with hopes that they will work. Maybe it was my “super psyched-ness” that initiated the obe and not the tapes. Or do u attribute the tapes 100%?
I attribute the tapes 100%


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 12, 2018, 05:33:07
 People say the same thing about "texting" and driving as well. Your focus should stay 100% on driving. Binaural Beats are made to kind of scramble your focus. One frequency works on one ear, another on the other, creating a third in the middle. It's all about relaxing and tuning out/turning off. That's the opposite of what you want to do while driving
If you look at Howell's website some of her tapes are OK for driving, some are not:

http://www.brainsync.com/audio-store/subliminals.html

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Track One can be listened to anywhere, anytime and often! You can listen while you work, play, exercise or drive. Even though you can’t consciously “hear” the subliminal messages, they are received by your subconscious where they run in the background of your mind to bring about desired change


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Lumaza on September 12, 2018, 07:36:18

I attribute the tapes 100%

You mean the fact that you have been a member here since February 2010 and have over 500 posts here on this very Forum, has nothing to do with it?  :?


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: baro-san on September 12, 2018, 08:04:43
You are already showing troll behaviour of someone who I dont like.

If you had clicked on the link you'd be able to quickly see what the subliminal messages are:

For example: http://www.brainsync.com/audio-store/subliminals/astral-travel.html

And yes, you can drive perfectly fine on some of her tapes

You seem to lack manners, so I'll avoid replying to you.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 12, 2018, 15:12:11
You seem to lack manners, so I'll avoid replying to you.
Good.  Keep it that way!!


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 12, 2018, 16:06:15
You mean the fact that you have been a member here since February 2010 and have over 500 posts here on this very Forum, has nothing to do with it?  :?
I think you misunderstand.

I had a spontaneous OBE 15 years ago while in the hospital. I tried to replicate it with (with very little success) until recently.
I then discovered Howell's tapes until 4 weeks ago and I had a bunch of LD's since then


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 12, 2018, 16:17:35
You mean the fact that you have been a member here since February 2010 and have over 500 posts here on this very Forum, has nothing to do with it?  :?
Nope, exactly.

I tried to LD and AP for many years, I only got halfway.
Then I tried Howell's tapes and it opened up a new window for me


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Nameless on September 13, 2018, 08:03:41
This is all good Fresco. I personally see nothing wrong with using helpers such as those mentioned. Now keep building on whatever works for you. :-)


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Windwalker. on September 13, 2018, 09:19:14
I think you misunderstand.

I had a spontaneous OBE 15 years ago while in the hospital. I tried to replicate it with (with very little success) until recently.
I then discovered Howell's tapes until 4 weeks ago and I had a bunch of LD's since then

No excrement? So u have one half butt LD 15 years ago then nothing UNTIL u listened to Howell then boom, uve had several? Now i GOTTA try this. Ill thank u later.....if it works. Otherwise u owe me ten bucks!


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 13, 2018, 20:44:55
No excrement? So u have one half butt LD 15 years ago then nothing UNTIL u listened to Howell then boom, uve had several? Now i GOTTA try this. Ill thank u later.....if it works. Otherwise u owe me ten bucks!
No, I had a spontaneous OBE 15 years ago.  I never even heard of astral projection or out-of-body experiences until then.

If you look at my posting history, I posted prolifically from 2010 until about 2013 and then took a  5 year leave of absence because I wasnt getting anywhere with meditation: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/profiles/fresco-u35285.html;sa,showPosts

My first 2 LD's using Howell's tapes were very short.  Maybe 5 seconds each. My 3rd one was a bit longer, maybe 20 seconds or so.
I didnt have an LD last night but I was very tired from work, so maybe that played a part??

TIP:  Use the LD subliminal tape 30 minutes before going to sleep, that works the best


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Windwalker. on September 14, 2018, 00:32:24
No, I had a spontaneous OBE 15 years ago.  I never even heard of astral projection or out-of-body experiences until then.

If you look at my posting history, I posted prolifically from 2010 until about 2013 and then took a  5 year leave of absence because I wasnt getting anywhere with meditation: http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/profiles/fresco-u35285.html;sa,showPosts

My first 2 LD's using Howell's tapes were very short.  Maybe 5 seconds each. My 3rd one was a bit longer, maybe 20 seconds or so.
I didnt have an LD last night but I was very tired from work, so maybe that played a part??

TIP:  Use the LD subliminal tape 30 minutes before going to sleep, that works the best

So these were LDs where you suddenly became conscious while you were already dreaming vs. an obe where you consciously step into it?


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 14, 2018, 00:40:04
So these were LDs where you suddenly became conscious while you were already dreaming vs. an obe where you consciously step into it?
Yes, pretty much.  An LD can lead to an OBE (or astral projection) if you learn how to step out of your body


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Yodad on September 14, 2018, 02:56:32
Another option:
Not to take anything away from the lady who created those audios, but would the power of these messages be even better if I recorded my own voice saying the script? (Btw, I tested out the script on page 1 with a website converting text to speech and it was ok, but its free technology and sounded a bit like the annoying robo videos on youtube these days.)

However, I just did a real quick test recording my voice and the ability to make a homemade version of this is damn easy on phones these days (at least my iphone). I have two apps that can be setup to play at same time without cancelling either out. One free app (Documents by Readdle) plays my voice recorded message or mp3 set to replay over and over. Another free app (myNoise) that has some great free noises (rain, waves, nature, Tibetan choir, & binaural machine!) that I can set up in combination. Play them both at same time, plus gives me freedom to change background noises, remove binaural, play once, etc.

I guess it all boils down to whether I want to hear myself talking or not.  :-D At least hearing myself with positive affirmations would be nice I think.

Just my 2 cents.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Xanth on September 14, 2018, 20:52:04
So these were LDs where you suddenly became conscious while you were already dreaming vs. an obe where you consciously step into it?
There's no difference between those "types" of experience you list above. 
A "LD where you suddenly become conscious while you were already dreaming"... IS an OBE.  :)


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Phildan1 on September 14, 2018, 21:15:27
There's no difference between those "types" of experience you list above. 
A "LD where you suddenly become conscious while you were already dreaming"... IS an OBE.  :)

This reminds me when people still think in the way that "ah I had an LD and I converted it into an OBE or AP", makes me smile. Or your favourite: "I had dreams all in my life but never got an AP". After a while people should see that what is what and I guess people can't get lost those labels. I don't like to even call my experiences like "dreams" because it is limiting. I'm fully aware with my intent. If I can do, others can. But the battle with these labels is always there in other forum sites and people are arguing about them. Nobody can help lol.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 14, 2018, 23:52:41
There's no difference between those "types" of experience you list above. 
A "LD where you suddenly become conscious while you were already dreaming"... IS an OBE.  :)
But I thought its not a complete OBE until your fully out of your body and walking (or flying) around.
I thought in the dream state you merely hover a few centimeters above your body.

Or do I have that wrong??



Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: floriferous on September 15, 2018, 03:56:33
But I thought its not a complete OBE until your fully out of your body and walking (or flying) around.
I thought in the dream state you merely hover a few centimeters above your body.

Or do I have that wrong??



Feeling the need to experience stepping out your body for an obe is a physical world hang up. We as humans learn that to get somewhere we have to experience movement because the laws of time and space dictate this. These laws dont exist in the non physical so you dont need to follow them. Once you have more and more obes the need to experience a visceral separation dissipates.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Xanth on September 15, 2018, 03:57:33
But I thought its not a complete OBE until your fully out of your body and walking (or flying) around.
I thought in the dream state you merely hover a few centimeters above your body.

Or do I have that wrong??
It's all just labels.  I've always said that people need to lose the labels... but that's not fully helpful either.
It's probably more important to just "loosen" your labels a bit.  Loosen the definitions you hold onto.

For me... we're NEVER *in* a body.  There is no body.  There's only consciousness.
This physical reality is as much a "projection" as any dream or obe people have.  

Being "fully out of body" or "hovering centimeters above your body" are all just beliefs people have held due to the, mostly, misinterpretation of the data/information they've received.
But don't get me wrong here, I can't prove this stuff anymore than anyone else can.  Only direct, personal experience can prove this stuff *TO YOURSELF*.

The problem today is that people hold onto these labels so tightly that they make it impossible for themselves to look beyond them.  If it doesn't fit in a neatly labeled box, they ignore it.

Feeling the need to experience stepping out your body for an obe is a physical world hang up. We as humans learn that to get somewhere we have to experience movement because the laws of time and space dictate this. These laws dont exist in the non physical so you dont need to follow them. Once you have more and more obes the need to experience a visceral separation dissipates.
Very nicely put.

And hi!  Long time no see. :)


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 15, 2018, 22:17:13
Isnt it ironic that we come into our bodies just so we can spend our entire lives trying to get it out of it??!!!   :lol:


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: kuurt on September 18, 2018, 09:21:04
Why would anybody buy her recordings when she links to a 10:00 min sample of each of them on Youtube?  You can just loop the video and listen to that couldn't you? 


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Xanth on September 19, 2018, 21:00:44
Isnt it ironic that we come into our bodies just so we can spend our entire lives trying to get it out of it??!!!   :lol:
Actually, this is why I don't actively work towards projection any longer.

You're here, in this physical reality FOR A REASON.  It's to learn to Love.
Inevitably you WILL return to consciousness, you can't stop that... so why work so hard to go back there?

Use your time here more effectively by learning to become closer to Love... instead of trying to escape from the physical.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Windwalker. on September 21, 2018, 03:13:53
Feeling the need to experience stepping out your body for an obe is a physical world hang up. We as humans learn that to get somewhere we have to experience movement because the laws of time and space dictate this. These laws dont exist in the non physical so you dont need to follow them. Once you have more and more obes the need to experience a visceral separation dissipates.


I disagree with this. I dont have a “pysical world hangup” and i experience the actual exit and shift in consciousness because when you have vibrations there is no other choice. First you are physically conscious, then you get vibrations or energy sensations,  then you experience the actual focus shift of leaving your body or else you would simply be laying upon your physical body. So you experience going ob all the way thru from a fully conscious physical state to the shift in consciousness that the vibrations create, then finally in the np. Thats an incredible  experience in and of itself aside from the actual obe.. Its also different then “becoming conscious in a dream” because you dont experience the actual shift in consciousness or the “astral body” crrawling out of the physical body. Having vibrations has nothing to do with physical world hangups. It seems to be your consciousness “tuning” into the correlating vibrational reality. Sorry if i may have misunderstood you.

“There's no difference between those "types" of experience you list above.  
A "LD where you suddenly become conscious while you were already dreaming"... IS an OBE.”

Im well aware that both experiences are np Xanth. I was simply curious of the means he was accessing the np. Also-ive found my obes are head and shoulders above LDs or even dreams for that matter as far as “seeming real” goes. Almost to the point that they do seem like different constructs although i dont believe they are. I guess it depends on how focused you are on the experience itself which makes it feel more “real” vs. other experiences. Just my opinion.



Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Windwalker. on September 21, 2018, 03:44:13
Sorry- but i just had to point this out.

Xanth states:
“You're here, in this physical reality FOR A REASON.  It's to learn to Love.
Inevitably you WILL return to consciousness, you can't stop that... so why work so hard to go back there?

Use your time here more effectively by learning to become closer to Love... instead of trying to escape from the physical.”

You do see the irony in this statement given you are the head honcho of the worlds most renowned AP site.......right? 🤣🤣


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Nameless on September 21, 2018, 03:50:24
You do see the irony in this statement given you are the head honcho of the worlds most renowned AP site.......right?
Sorry Xanth, I had to laugh my butt off at that one. Windwalker you are sooooo funny. Love and much respect to both of you. ROFL


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Lumaza on September 21, 2018, 04:24:04
Actually, this is why I don't actively work towards projection any longer.

You're here, in this physical reality FOR A REASON.  It's to learn to Love.
Inevitably you WILL return to consciousness, you can't stop that... so why work so hard to go back there?

Use your time here more effectively by learning to become closer to Love... instead of trying to escape from the physical.
If it wasn't a part of us for some reason, then we wouldn't be experiencing it period. The bigger question should be, why has it come into our lives?

 My answer to that is because you can find a "happy balance" between the two of them. That is what we are being taught. We have chosen or were chosen to be both. It forces you to look at life in a completely different way.

 If I was to all of a sudden stop my daily Phase/soak sessions, it wouldn't take long before I lost my "empathy" for those that are experiencing Astral Projection for the first time and soon after that, I would likely stop posting here at this Forum period. I am shown things and taught things to help others experience and see for themselves that there is more to life than what we see here. It can help them in profound ways at a personal level.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Lumaza on September 21, 2018, 04:25:16
Sorry- but i just had to point this out.

Xanth states:
“You're here, in this physical reality FOR A REASON.  It's to learn to Love.
Inevitably you WILL return to consciousness, you can't stop that... so why work so hard to go back there?

Use your time here more effectively by learning to become closer to Love... instead of trying to escape from the physical.”

You do see the irony in this statement given you are the head honcho of the worlds most renowned AP site.......right? 🤣🤣
  :-) :-) :-) :-)  8-)


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 21, 2018, 09:07:47
If it wasn't a part of us for some reason, then we wouldn't be experiencing it period. The bigger question should be, why has it come into our lives?

 My answer to that is because you can find a "happy balance" between the two of them
I agree with this 100%.  There's no reason why you cant strike a healthy balance


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: floriferous on September 21, 2018, 09:36:09
I resonate a lot with Xanths comments. I originally got into OBEs for purely superficial reasons. It sounded fun. Spiritual materialism got the better of me. But with experience comes a greater understanding of the self and the greater whole we are a part of. I am more in touch with my own divinity. I try to live from a heart centered place. I now go to a metaphysical church and say grace over meals(things I never thought I would do). I know I create my reality and being in a positive, loving, high vibration is paramount to getting the things I desire.

For me it's all part of it. And OBEs are a part of it too but but a small part. I am grateful they helped open my eyes but I no longer feel the need to go gunning after them either. Whenever I go on a TMI retreat, the programs aren't about getting away from the physical.  They are about, first exploring your inner self then taking what you learn and incorporating it to live a fuller life

I am more intuitive and get information from a higher source without the need to go out of body. Sure I still enjoy them when they occur spontaneously in my meditations but they aren't my focus. So, yes I resonate with Xanths comments


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Xanth on September 21, 2018, 20:50:32
You do see the irony in this statement given you are the head honcho of the worlds most renowned AP site.......right?
HAHA  Head honcho.  :)

And yes, I do realize the irony in the statement.
But I've also learned quite a bit since I began this journey and the more I learned and the more I experienced, the more I found I needed to focus my attention *HERE* in this physical reality.

I continue to teach people to project in hopes that they too figure this out one day.  Actually, I know they will realize this eventually.

I'm also not saying there isn't value in Projection, I'm just saying that those who focus exclusively on Projection completely miss the point of why they're experiencing this physical reality in the first place.  :)

I resonate a lot with Xanths comments. I originally got into OBEs for purely superficial reasons. It sounded fun. Spiritual materialism got the better of me. But with experience comes a greater understanding of the self and the greater whole we are a part of. I am more in touch with my own divinity. I try to live from a heart centered place. I now go to a metaphysical church and say grace over meals(things I never thought I would do). I know I create my reality and being in a positive, loving, high vibration is paramount to getting the things I desire.

For me it's all part of it. And OBEs are a part of it too but but a small part. I am grateful they helped open my eyes but I no longer feel the need to go gunning after them either. Whenever I go on a TMI retreat, the programs aren't about getting away from the physical.  They are about, first exploring your inner self then taking what you learn and incorporating it to live a fuller life

I am more intuitive and get information from a higher source without the need to go out of body. Sure I still enjoy them when they occur spontaneously in my meditations but they aren't my focus. So, yes I resonate with Xanths comments
Sometimes I wish we could "like" posts on this forum.  :)
You'd get a big fat juicy LIKE from me Flori.  ;)


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Nameless on September 22, 2018, 02:34:12
I'm also not saying there isn't value in Projection, I'm just saying that those who focus exclusively on Projection completely miss the point of why they're experiencing this physical reality in the first place.  :)
Sometimes I wish we could "like" posts on this forum.  :)
You'd get a big fat juicy LIKE from me Flori.  ;)

Yes, I agree with you totally on this Xanth. The big fat juicy LIKE too. :-)


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 23, 2018, 04:23:42
I had another LD last night.  Very short though, maybe 1 or 2 seconds.
I gotta find a way to make these things last longer   :|


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Lumaza on September 23, 2018, 07:10:52
And yes, I do realize the irony in the statement.
But I've also learned quite a bit since I began this journey and the more I learned and the more I experienced, the more I found I needed to focus my attention *HERE* in this physical reality.
Perhaps, that's what "YOU" needed!

Quote
I'm also not saying there isn't value in Projection, I'm just saying that those who focus exclusively on Projection completely miss the point of why they're experiencing this physical reality in the first place.  :)
Sometimes I wish we could "like" posts on this forum.  :)
I guess all those Monks and Buddhist's throughout the thousands of years that have been meditating daily and normally for most of the day, have it all wrong then.  :| :? Are they wasting their lives away too?


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Lumaza on September 23, 2018, 07:15:20
I had another LD last night.  Very short though, maybe 1 or 2 seconds.
I gotta find a way to make these things last longer   :|
Try to "ground yourself there". Start simple, with just reaching out and trying to touch something in your vicinity. I can maintain a lengthy LD by first, not trying to change the "scenario" at hand and then next, taking in the entire scene that has revealed itself to me. I try to be aware of everything I can see or sense, by "passively" observing everything.

 William Buhlman says to "demand" CLARITY NOW or AWARENESS NOW. It seems to works for many people as well.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on September 23, 2018, 22:38:59
  William Buhlman says to "demand" CLARITY NOW or AWARENESS NOW. It seems to works for many people as well
Thats a good one. I'll try that


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on October 25, 2018, 23:44:41
Woo Hoo!!!!!!!  I finally did it.  I had a about a 2 to 3 minute OBE astral projection this morning around 4am.
Here are my details:

Around 4am or so I realized I was dreaming.
I used the rollover  technique to go OBE.
I then moved outside my bedroom downstairs to a street (I live in a condo building).
I literally moved through people.
I also moved right through a garbage can and a few walls.
And after about 3 minutes I unfortunately snapped back into my body.

I have a few concerns though.  I didnt recognize the street I was on, plus the street was very crowded for 4am in the morning.
What does that mean??  Was I not near my home??


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: SCHMUSTIN on October 26, 2018, 01:27:22
Woo Hoo!!!!!!!  I finally did it.  I had a about a 2 to 3 minute OBE astral projection this morning around 4am.
Here are my details:

Around 4am or so I realized I was dreaming.
I used the rollover  technique to go OBE.
I then moved outside my bedroom downstairs to a street (I live in a condo building).
I literally moved through people.
I also moved right through a garbage can and a few walls.
And after about 3 minutes I unfortunately snapped back into my body.

I have a few concerns though.  I didnt recognize the street I was on, plus the street was very crowded for 4am in the morning.
What does that mean??  Was I not near my home??

Congratulations...

Please keep in mind I am not an experienced member and hopefully an more experienced member will chime in but is sound like you r focus was all over the place.
Not knowing the street your on and how crowded the street was. Could have been getting you to passively observe the situation and look at things in greater detail?

Either way good job.... Look forward to when its my turn LOL.

 


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: EscapeVelocity on October 26, 2018, 09:04:40
Likewise, congratulations!

Moving from your condo and into the street where you encountered excess people and uncertainty as to your whereabouts is an indication of the subtle confusions that can appear; we call many of these ‘overlays’ and they may contain subconscious expectations, desires and even stray thoughts. These questions are fine to notice and make sure you take time to write down as much detail as you can remember; this will serve to strengthen your NP personality and its cognitive skill set. Just don’t get hung up on expecting to figure out all the answers every time.

This is where we start to leave behind our PR senses and consider what new senses need to be developed:

-Did you perceive any difference in how you were ‘seeing’? Because you weren’t using your PR eyes.
-Did you perceive how you were moving? Because you weren’t using your PR legs.
-Was the environment in full color or was it something else? Was it foggy or clear?
-Was, and if so how, your cognitive/thinking ability affected within this environment?
-What did it feel like to move through people and objects?

Well done in keeping your emotional balance and focus! Who would have thought moving through a garbage can could be SO exciting!? Lol



Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on November 05, 2018, 19:00:42
So I had another AP 3 nights ago.  This time I saw what looked like aliens.
They didnt look quite human.  They were much shorter and had large ears.

Is it normal to see ET's when AP'ing??


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Windwalker. on November 06, 2018, 22:36:45
Hey fresco!
Just wanted to check in to see if Howells AP tape is continuing to give you success? Do you attribute all your success solely to Howells tapes? Latr!


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on November 07, 2018, 00:51:24
Hey fresco!
Just wanted to check in to see if Howells AP tape is continuing to give you success? Do you attribute all your success solely to Howells tapes? Latr!
I attribute it 100% to her tapes.

My AP's seem to come in bunches.  I'll go a week or 2 with nothing, and then I'll get a few days in a row where they show up out of nowhere


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on November 09, 2018, 22:20:12
-Did you perceive any difference in how you were ‘seeing’? Because you weren’t using your PR eyes
No, it was normal vision for me.  I didnt get the 360 degree vision that other AP'ers talk about

-Did you perceive how you were moving? Because you weren’t using your PR legs
IIRC I was just walking normally on my 2 legs

-Was the environment in full color or was it something else? Was it foggy or clear?
It was night outside and dark.  No fog

-Was, and if so how, your cognitive/thinking ability affected within this environment?
Not as far as I can recall

-What did it feel like to move through people and objects?
Didnt feel like anything out of the ordinary.  I just did it


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Nameless on November 10, 2018, 00:57:17
Hey Fresco, I'm nowhere as good as EV or Lumaza or some of the others at explaining things but here goes. EscapeVelocity is very good at asking the right questions. Your replies to those in your last post are very telling.

Normal ability to walk, normal vision and mental clarity. That's great, really great! While you didn't get 360 vision, or instant transference from one place to another what you did get was full immersion exactly as you already understand it. No fog, wow, most would have had a much more vague experience. Now you know what it is like to fully merge. Once you experience all that other stuff you'll likely have little trouble fully merging with that as well.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: EscapeVelocity on November 10, 2018, 07:08:59
Hey Fresco,

You wrote that you ‘realized you were dreaming’.

Was that while you were still within a dream and you ‘rolled out’ from there? Or did you end the dream and lay there in Mind Awake/Body Asleep mode with no visuals present...and then rolled out from there?


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on November 10, 2018, 19:22:37
Hey Fresco,

You wrote that you ‘realized you were dreaming’.

Was that while you were still within a dream and you ‘rolled out’ from there? Or did you end the dream and lay there in Mind Awake/Body Asleep mode with no visuals present...and then rolled out from there?
No, I realized I was dreaming while I was still lying in my bed.
I then used the roll-out technique, crawled out of my window and started walking down the street.
None of the people on the street I was walking on recognized that I was there.  I felt like I was invisible to them


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Windwalker. on November 26, 2018, 21:12:13
Ive been in a lull period for the past month so i figured id give Howells mp3 a try. I listened to the waves while visualising i was on a beach for two hours. Last night i had one of my most vivid obes ever. The vibrancy was incredible. Im not ready to 100% attribute it to Howells mp3 because my normal pattern is having a slow lull month then 2-3 events per week for a few weeks. But at the same time i am definitely gonna continue using and testing the tape. Thanks Fresco!


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on November 28, 2018, 06:23:09
Ive been in a lull period for the past month so i figured id give Howells mp3 a try. I listened to the waves while visualising i was on a beach for two hours. Last night i had one of my most vivid obes ever. The vibrancy was incredible. Im not ready to 100% attribute it to Howells mp3 because my normal pattern is having a slow lull month then 2-3 events per week for a few weeks. But at the same time i am definitely gonna continue using and testing the tape. Thanks Fresco!
Thats awesome WW!!!!  I'm super happy for you :-)

I plan on using the tapes for the rest of my life because they say the more you use them the more frequent your OBE's will become.

BTW are you using Howell's AP tapes or her LD tapes?? (or both)??
I only listen to her AP tapes now, they seem to work better


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Windwalker. on November 28, 2018, 22:11:49
Thats awesome WW!!!!  I'm super happy for you :-)

I plan on using the tapes for the rest of my life because they say the more you use them the more frequent your OBE's will become.

BTW are you using Howell's AP tapes or her LD tapes?? (or both)??
I only listen to her AP tapes now, they seem to work better

I only downloaded the “astral listen with headphones” that has ocean waves and supposedly “theta” inducing binaural beats. My obes dont consist of me becoming lucid during a dream so i didnt get any other tapes besides the “astral” inducing tape. Im curious how often you listen and WHEN ie do you listen before you crash with headphones and fall asleep to the tapes? Or only in your car during the day? Do you listen EVERY day or.....? Three times a day? Please lemme know your precise regime. I listened one time and had one of the clearest obes yet. But again, im not ready to attribute that solely to the tape because my normal pattern is a one month lull then a bunch in a row for a few weeks then back to the lull. Yet it at least seems to be very promising. I laid it on to a friend who is having issues projecting so we ll see how that goes. Thanks man!


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on November 29, 2018, 02:32:57
I only downloaded the “astral listen with headphones” that has ocean waves and supposedly “theta” inducing binaural beats. My obes dont consist of me becoming lucid during a dream so i didnt get any other tapes besides the “astral” inducing tape. Im curious how often you listen and WHEN ie do you listen before you crash with headphones and fall asleep to the tapes? Or only in your car during the day? Do you listen EVERY day or.....? Three times a day?
I listen to the AP "every hour" tape once or twice a day. Every day!!
I listen to the AP headphone tape just before I go to sleep for 30 minutes every night.  There's no set rule to this, go with whatever works for you, uif you need to listen more then do so, if you need to cut back and listen less, then do so

I listened one time and had one of the clearest obes yet. But again, im not ready to attribute that solely to the tape because my normal pattern is a one month lull then a bunch in a row for a few weeks then back to the lull. Yet it at least seems to be very promising. I laid it on to a friend who is having issues projecting so we ll see how that goes. Thanks man!
I can almost guarantee you that 1 OBE you had can be attributed to her tapes, but you might think otherwise.

Why dont you have your friend post here on this forum and lets us know how well he does on Howell's tapes??


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on December 25, 2018, 04:13:46
So the OBE's and AP's have now completely stopped for the last couple of weeks or so.
Does anyone know why that is??


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Nameless on December 25, 2018, 22:55:49
I have a theory it has to do with earth energies. Those energies fluctuate and flow at their own discretion. Or maybe your higher self wants you to take a break and focus on more physical things for the time being.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on August 06, 2019, 06:37:20
@Windwalker how many OBE's have you had since you tried the tapes I recommended to you??


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Windwalker. on August 07, 2019, 20:47:33
I havent listen to the tape in awhile but thanks for reminding me. I have found that certain techniques burn out after awhile so it is best to revisit them later. My every nite technique continues to be simply focusing on the sleep/wake line at each awakening during the night and as I fall asleep. I will go 2-3 weeks tops with zero activity and then have 1-2 weeks of almost nightly activity. It changes. Two years ago it was like clockwork. 3-4 events per week. Then it petered out. The longest I have gone with zero activity has been like 23 days. Then I think “excrement.....its gone”.......then boom Ill have like 4 events in a row. I did a simple technique: As I doze off to sleep: “100.....I now experience vibrations that segue to an obe...99.....repeat phrase.....98.....repeat phrase......97.....etc. That worked for five nites in a row and then it petered out to nothing so I stopped the technique. Maybe it was just coincidence? Maybe I would have had five events anyway without the phrase? Regardless.....I continue to have obes by switching up techniques but mostly by focusing on the sleep/wake line. Latr!


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on August 11, 2019, 22:00:55
I havent listen to the tape in awhile but thanks for reminding me. I have found that certain techniques burn out after awhile so it is best to revisit them later. My every nite technique continues to be simply focusing on the sleep/wake line at each awakening during the night and as I fall asleep. I will go 2-3 weeks tops with zero activity and then have 1-2 weeks of almost nightly activity. It changes. Two years ago it was like clockwork. 3-4 events per week. Then it petered out. The longest I have gone with zero activity has been like 23 days. Then I think “excrement.....its gone”.......then boom Ill have like 4 events in a row. I did a simple technique: As I doze off to sleep: “100.....I now experience vibrations that segue to an obe...99.....repeat phrase.....98.....repeat phrase......97.....etc. That worked for five nites in a row and then it petered out to nothing so I stopped the technique. Maybe it was just coincidence? Maybe I would have had five events anyway without the phrase? Regardless.....I continue to have obes by switching up techniques but mostly by focusing on the sleep/wake line. Latr!
No offence WW, but you didnt answer my question.  Did the tapes specifically induce any OBE's in you?


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Windwalker. on August 12, 2019, 22:46:24
No offense taken bro but I made it clear in previous posts that yes the tape worked immediately-first night-for me. I am just not entirely sure if that can be attributed to the tape or not because I have also listened for a couple days with zero results. The first day I listened I had obes that night. But maybe I would have any ways or maybe it was just my “hopes” and thoughts of the tape working that inspired the obes. The only sure fire technique that inspires frequency of events is focusing on the sleep wake line.....for me. Yet I will revisit the tape and see what happens. I had a mind blowing experience last night. A very long one with a false awakening. I am astonished how great some peoples memory are after their obe because mine isnt near as great as theirs. I find that I am always excited and end up running around and delving into maybe to many things. I need to focus on 1 intent at a time. Anyway....thanks again for the heads up. When I can give it time I will surely let you know if the tape works same day again. I will wait until I am in a dry spell. On that note, how is it working for you? Have you tried comparing using the tape vs. not using the tape lately? What does your evidence show?


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Fresco on August 13, 2019, 01:48:20
No offense taken bro but I made it clear in previous posts that yes the tape worked immediately-first night-for me. I am just not entirely sure if that can be attributed to the tape or not because I have also listened for a couple days with zero results. The first day I listened I had obes that night. But maybe I would have any ways or maybe it was just my “hopes” and thoughts of the tape working that inspired the obes. The only sure fire technique that inspires frequency of events is focusing on the sleep wake line.....for me. Yet I will revisit the tape and see what happens. I had a mind blowing experience last night. A very long one with a false awakening. I am astonished how great some peoples memory are after their obe because mine isnt near as great as theirs. I find that I am always excited and end up running around and delving into maybe to many things. I need to focus on 1 intent at a time. Anyway....thanks again for the heads up. When I can give it time I will surely let you know if the tape works same day again. I will wait until I am in a dry spell. On that note, how is it working for you? Have you tried comparing using the tape vs. not using the tape lately? What does your evidence show?
Thats great to hear that its probably working for you.  I too had a couple of OBE's followed by a long dry spell.
I'm not sure why that is, but I attribute the tapes 100% to my 3 OBE's.
Without the tapes I would never had a quick OBE like I did (I think it was within 2 or 3 nights of listening)


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: EscapeVelocity on August 13, 2019, 10:42:06
WW-
Forgive me for being lousy at doing quotes. But you said- "I find that I am always excited and end up running around delving into maybe too many things. I need to focus on 1 intent at a time."

That is an excellent insight and possibly EXACTLY the lesson you needed to take from that particular experience. Three key points that you realized: You were too excited, you ran around (without proper intent) and delved into (or got distracted by) too many things. Your insight about INTENT sums it up! Early on you have to stick with just one intent.

This insight may require two or three more experiences to fully incorporate into your understanding but it is key. This is a big early and very fundamental understanding to what is going on. So, actually this becomes a very transformative experience! Nicely done! Next time work to stay calm and recognize what the simulation is asking of you; excitement and distraction are very significant obstacles at this time. There is a task and you need to first recognize it and then complete it. This teaches an aspect of single-mindedness. This is one place where you truly recognize that teaching is occurring.

I definitely know just how frustrating it feels right now...because I was there just several years ago...this is a form of learning that forces you to consider vastly different perspectives on encountering new knowledge and just how you may have to deal with it.

I am like you in that my best technique is to focus on and remain aware of that sleep/wake line, wherever in my nighttime I may find it; so that teaches a form of discipline in and of itself. Part of this learning does require that we try different techniques, so remain open to that.

You likely will hit dryspells, but there are different reasons for that; sometimes experiences need time to percolate. Journal everything and re-read every few months to discover the patterns; some of this can take weeks, months or even years to unfold. It's actually quite a beautiful process once we open ourselves to it! If you wanted an adventure...this is it!

EV


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Tongo on December 09, 2019, 11:31:33
anyone had anymore experiences with these brainsync mp3's the OP talked about? am tempted to get one myself I mean its worth a shot but also am concerned another poster said there was no subliminal messages in them!??! this is a con you mean or?! maybe I'm misunderstanding but what they said is on the first page:

Last night I found that the four pack that I purchased from her years ago did not have subliminal messages in it, like Volgerle mentioned. One of them used a ocean setting of crashing waves though.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Lumaza on December 09, 2019, 11:40:42
anyone had anymore experiences with these brainsync mp3's the OP talked about? am tempted to get one myself I mean its worth a shot but also am concerned another poster said there was no subliminal messages in them!??! this is a con you mean or?! maybe I'm misunderstanding but what they said is on the first page:

Yes, I have used Kelly Howell's brainsync program. I bought one package years ago. I think the set was $100.00 or so. They are good. They don't do the work for you though. Like all Bin beats/Isochronic tones, they help to "set the stage", per se!

 With Christmas coming I have been getting Ad emails daily from her company advertising all of who new programs. The only time they get aggressive like that is at Christmas. Otherwise I would get a marketing advertising email from her company once every few months. I hate this daily email crap though. It just clogs up my email. I know I could "unsubscribe", but I want to keep abreast of new things she is doing. Once Christmas has passed it will calm down again.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Tongo on December 09, 2019, 14:18:35
Cool but I think you misunderstood my question still. I was asking if they were a con or nothe since someone else said there was no subliminal messages in them.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Lumaza on December 10, 2019, 00:46:47
Cool but I think you misunderstood my question still. I was asking if they were a con or nothe since someone else said there was no subliminal messages in them.
Did you miss this part of my reply above "They are good? That's my opinion of them. Truthfully though, I can find others just as good for free on youtube. Recently I have been listening to this one before bed and have been having some very "quick' and unique experiences afterwards. Take that for what you wish!  8-) It' loops for 8 hours, so you can turn it off at anytime you wish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV42_YdGIBQ


 If you search that subject in the Astral Pulse search engine you will find what other people's opinion and experiences with them were. There was a conversation on this very topic about 4 or 5 months ago here. Use the heading "Brainsync".

 Good luck!  :-)


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Tongo on December 10, 2019, 08:39:18
Did you miss this part of my reply above "They are good? That's my opinion of them. Truthfully though, I can find others just as good for free on youtube. Recently I have been listening to this one before bed and have been having some very "quick' and unique experiences afterwards. Take that for what you wish!  8-) It' loops for 8 hours, so you can turn it off at anytime you wish.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV42_YdGIBQ


 If you search that subject in the Astral Pulse search engine you will find what other people's opinion and experiences with them were. There was a conversation on this very topic about 4 or 5 months ago here. Use the heading "Brainsync".

 Good luck!  :-)

K "they are good" so obviously means they have legit subliminal messages in them. I'm interested in this aspect rather than binaural audio as I've tried those before without much success but thx for the link none the less.


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Lumaza on December 10, 2019, 11:20:50
K "they are good" so obviously means they have legit subliminal messages in them. I'm interested in this aspect rather than binaural audio as I've tried those before without much success but thx for the link none the less.
Mine that I bought have subliminal messages in them. I don't know about the free ones though. Like I said, I paid for mine and got exactly what I paid for!  :-)


Title: Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!!
Post by: Tongo on December 12, 2019, 21:34:55
Mine that I bought have subliminal messages in them. I don't know about the free ones though. Like I said, I paid for mine and got exactly what I paid for!  :-)

Interesting. I wonder how the mind can hear the 'inside voice' though? I purchased mine also and intend to give it a fair shot but during all the ocean wave sounds you can't hear any trace of a voice I guess its supposed to be this way in the way it needs to tap in beyond just the ears. I just can't help but wonder if my brain is just taking in wave sounds still or a voice muffled greatly by wave sounds.