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Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: travelinbob on June 25, 2003, 17:25:09
SOunds good. I'll try it and report. I have been having trouble with rope cause it requires quasi physical action and tenses my body slightly and kills the vibes.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Adrian on June 26, 2003, 13:28:40
Greetings Omega,

Thank you very much for your posting this idea.

I agree with you that the mind awake/body asleep state is absolutely fundamental to any form of Astral projection success.

I am making this topic sticky for a time in order that as many people as possible can read and hopefully try this method and report back.

With best regards,

Adrian.




Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: phi on June 26, 2003, 13:45:06
I'm trying it now. However, the last two nights I've just fallen asleep. I need to trying some other time of day yet. Thanks for making it sticky Adrian. I had it bookmarked so I wouldn't loose it. I've also subscribed to see how others are doing with it. I'll post when I succeed. [:D]


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: travelinbob on June 26, 2003, 14:13:45
TB reporting:

I did it this morning and it got me into a very comftrable, solid and stable trance very quickly and smoothly. Better than the falling imagery suggested by RB in AD. (I would qualify it as a self-hypnosis like technique.) Did not go any further than that, though. No vibes or anything. I will try it again tonight and put more intent into it. Any suggestions on how to procede?

One question, Omega: You claim one does not need an exit technique. DOes this mean you just pop out after a while? Please elaborate.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Noxerus on June 26, 2003, 17:09:05
Very interesting.. Gonna try that tomorrow coupled with brainwave entrainment. [:)]


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Adrian on June 26, 2003, 17:38:45
Greetings travelinbob,

quote:
Originally posted by travelinbob

TB reporting:

I did it this morning and it got me into a very comftrable, solid and stable trance very quickly and smoothly. Better than the falling imagery suggested by RB in AD. (I would qualify it as a self-hypnosis like technique.) Did not go any further than that, though. No vibes or anything. I will try it again tonight and put more intent into it. Any suggestions on how to procede?

One question, Omega: You claim one does not need an exit technique. DOes this mean you just pop out after a while? Please elaborate.



Having reached the mind awake/body asleep phase (which is the same as trance), you can project in a number of different ways. Most people here seem to be assuming that this is a precursor to OBE. I am looking at it as a precursor to phasing which seems to be a much more controlled and reliable Astral experience.

For phasing I would suggest achieving the required state, and then introducing imagery to take you into the Astral - e.g. a door which you walk through. This is the way the Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen methods work.

You might well find that having reached this state the imagery takes over, and you simply get pulled into the Astral.

Either way, it is most interesting to keep this thread sticky to hear of everyone's experiences.

With best regards,

Adrian.



Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: omega on June 26, 2003, 19:17:40
I have many more technikes that are awsome. I can just come up with them very easy. I am hoping Robert Bruce will put some in his book. I have figured out you dont need either a way to get you into a trance or an exit meathod. I have APed just by MY Rope meathod I changed a little bit. Hear is how I figured it out if you continue to do the Rope meathod the meathod will keep you awake your body will still go to sleep and as long as you can keep your mind awake when the vibes kick in and gess what you have the vibes and your aready doing a exit meathod the rope meathod. So you will still leave your body..  

I will post some new meathods in a bit..
Thanks for testing them
Omega


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: omega on June 26, 2003, 19:24:24
quote:
One question, Omega: You claim one does not need an exit technique. DOes this mean you just pop out after a while? Please elaborate.


YES you can if you keep on doing a meathod and no Exit meathod and i mean stick to it. You will get a feeling like a truck is rolling over your head you have prob experinced this before. But if you dont let the pain get to you and keep on pushing it will pop you out..


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: omega on June 26, 2003, 19:54:09
Let me inform you about the Rope method. Hmm lets see in Robert Bruces book it shows a person laying down and climbing up the rope right. Well it works much better if its vertical like your really climbing the rope. Also for the Rope method to work better put big knots in the rope a knot as big as your head. When you reach up only try to grab the knot imagine in your mind how the knot feels and imagine when you got a firm grip then pull with all your imagination. Also it works a lot better if you alter your arms make them into Rubber arms. When you see a knot and you decide that you want to grab that one. Use you rubber arms and stretch them up and up then grab the knot with one hand and PULL then do the same for the other arm. One at a time when your doing the Rope method the other way your pretty much taking baby steps. But you aren’t a baby so reach up there and grab one at the top. Also if your reaching with your left hand and grab a knot right say in your mind Higher then do the same with the right hand say HIGHER in your mind it helps allot.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Nick on June 27, 2003, 00:12:36
Noxerus,

What particular program/cd do you use for brainwave entrainment? I am curious because I have experimented with several different programs. Lately, I'm using the Deep Meditation CD from Brain Sync. It seems to take me to a nice F10/mind-awake/body-asleep state when I use it. Often I'll get there without using a Cd at all.

Very best,


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Squeek on June 27, 2003, 00:30:05
Sounds like a plan to me!  I'll probably try this tonight.  Thanks for making this topic, and thanks to Adrian for stickyfying it so I could see it!  :D

~Squeek


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Noxerus on June 27, 2003, 17:10:58
Nick, right now I'm just working with some experimental frequencies I have concocted myself in BWGen (based on ideas I got from spending too many hours analyzing commercial CDs), but I'm waiting for my Awakening Mind 1 manual to arrive so I'll be able to craft accurate sessions for the results I want.
Awakening Mind 1 is somewhat of a manual for designing your own brainwave entrainment sessions, and even though I can't recommend it yet (haven't got a copy yet), I can wholeheartedly say just from looking at the table of contents that it has information I wasn't able to find anywhere on the internet (and trust me, I've searched high and low). Seems like that guy really did his research well.
Anyway, if you want more information about it you can go here: http://home.att.net/~jamesbmann/Enlightened_Enterprises/home.htm
As I know it's pricey, I'll post a review of it here in about two months (at least one month until I'll get it, and at least another month before I'll form an opinion).

Noxerus


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Nick on June 27, 2003, 17:35:57
Noxerus,

Many thanks for that information!! I will check out the link. Please keep us posted on what you find out. Maybe start a new thread at some point? Take care.

Very best,


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Links Shadow on June 29, 2003, 20:44:08
Has anyone had success with this technique yet?  I have tried it for the past few nights and just gotten into a very deep trance but have yet to get out yet.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: omega on June 29, 2003, 22:06:35
When your in the trance why dont you leave your body. By any means leave do the rope meathod or another meathod to get out. Dont just sit there. This meathod was not desinged for that.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: J-Man on June 30, 2003, 02:41:04
i wouldnt exactly call this a method. it's more like explaining how AP works than a way of AP.

im pretty sure that this is why some people have OBEs when they have near-death expiriences. their bodies lose energy, but their minds are racing, wondering if theyre gonna be ok, whats happening, why is there such a weak/falling feeling, etc. this causes their highly alert minds to fly out.

just a theory


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: hypnotist on June 30, 2003, 22:55:19
After saying mind awake body asleep. Also include
One … My relaxation is starting to double … Two … My relaxation is doubling more and more … Three … I'm becoming very comfortable and relaxed … Four … My relaxation has almost doubled … Five … My relaxation has doubled completely now, throughout your whole body.

I want you to go deeper, much deeper … So again I will count from one down to five and with each and every number I say, you will allow your body to relax down deeper.

One … Your relaxation is starting to triple … Two … Your mind is relaxed, your body is relaxed … Three … You’re going very deep and comfortable … Four … You feel so relaxed, you don’t care what time it is or what day it is … Five … Your relaxation has now tripled completely throughout your entire body.



Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: sublime on July 01, 2003, 03:34:46
sounds like a little too much thinking for my taste, hypnotist. [:O]


i've never consciously projected but when they come spontaneously and i become aware of them i can consciously exit. i found the easiest exit technique for me is simply "rolling" out. i focus on actually rolling my double off of my bed. i think i may have read this in AD but i'm not sure.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: travelinbob on July 01, 2003, 14:45:13
Travelinbob Reporting:

I have been using the method suggested by Omega for a few days now. And it is the best easiest method for getting in trance I have found. But it has not help me OBE. If I do ROPE my muscles still tense up and kick me out of trance. I guess I need to work more on fully relaxing or paralysing my body. Any suggestions?

I have noticed that it also activates the energy cicuits real quick because of the shifting body awareness involved. I get very intense "cobwebs" on my nose. Almost painful. The NEW work is also improved after this trance-induction technique. Although I still have not gotten my astral sight. Working on that too. Any suggestions.

Thanx


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: omega on July 01, 2003, 19:44:05
I found a new way to leave the body last night I was trying the rope method and I changed it here is what you do. Imagine yourself going into the air and then use one hand and grab a cloud and then swing to the next cloud in the sky like a monkey keeps on swinging and going higher and higher in the air. The only thing you have to remember is to try to imagine in your mind how hard it would be to pull yourself up and up try to imagine the force on your arms and hands. I also noticed if you say higher and higher in your mind when you visualize yourself going up it helps a lot. When you grab a cloud with your left hand inhale and when you reach up with your right exhale or vice versa what ever works for you.



Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: jacktheninja on July 02, 2003, 02:08:31
Dude I did this, and the day after I could hear everything in my sleep. I mean I was asleep, and when you hear a noise you wake up right? well I'd just hear the noise, and I'd be like oh that's robert's dog, but I was asleep while I was thinking it....I'm gonna do this for a while and see what else happens.....everybody go get some fireworks too...I'm not a pyro buhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
                                       well, spiral out guys....
                                              -Jack


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Links Shadow on July 03, 2003, 15:36:21
Dear Omega,

For legal purposes when you copyright something you should use your real name as it is very difficult to legally prove that you are omega, and therefore if you were ever to take a case to court you would most likely lose.  If you are that paranoid that your ideas are going to get taken you should take this into consideration.

Respectfully,
Links Shadow


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: omega on July 04, 2003, 00:21:31
Links Shadow I know i cut and pasted from my site thats why the copyrighted keepes on poping up. I get lazy like many other people..


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: naturechick89 on July 10, 2003, 22:49:22
im going to try this tonight....never APed hopefully this technique will work for me:)


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: mockiboo on July 15, 2003, 16:59:35
That is dif a techique I have not thought of before


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: jc84corvette on July 16, 2003, 03:09:37
I just did that in my chair on the PC and I get a feeling in my head when my head lights up orange. It feels good. Now I gotta do it on my bed before bed wile relaxed for results?


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: jc84corvette on July 16, 2003, 03:44:17
I just tried the cloud technique here on my chair to get use to it, and its pretty kick arse!

Now my plan for tonight. I will try the mind awake thingy to get into a transe. Then I will try to rope to OBE. If that does not work, then I will try the cloud tech.

I will report back to you.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: jc84corvette on July 16, 2003, 21:55:53
I didnt do it. I was scared senseless to even start my plan. I thought some monster would grab my neck. I will give it another shot tonight.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: jc84corvette on July 17, 2003, 03:57:55
I just did it now, 12:48 Midnight, thats 30 min b4 I hit the hay sack usualy.

I got into a trance, then tried the rope method. I kept imagining a friend of mine climbing the rope, and I tried to climb it my self and see it through my eyes. But my mind wanted the 3rd person view. Any help there?

Well after doing that for a few min, I felt my body raise up a bit then went back down.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: omega on July 17, 2003, 19:39:49
Its much easier not to try the 3rd person view when you climing the rope forget the hole body and only focus on the arms. They are going to get you out not the rest of your body. Just imagine your arms grabing a rope higher and higher and dont forget put knots in the rope its much easier..


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: jc84corvette on July 19, 2003, 01:26:01
Last night, Thursday night around 1:40 AM I came so close to OBE! I was doing the mind awake body asleep method. Then my mind slipped away from that exersize for about two minuets? I guess what happend was I was falling asleep even more. Then I "fully awoke" you could say. I was in a trance for sure! I felt viberations all over my body. So the first thing I did was the mind awake body asleep method again. Finaly what happend after that? I do not know, I guess I just fell asleep.

I dreamed that night and rememberd it, I finaly wanted a rememberable dream and I got it!

So thats two wins for Corvette last night![:)]


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: DOA on July 21, 2003, 13:40:43
Hey Corvette

First congrats on the trance state.  If you want to remember your dreams just repeat several times as you go to bed "I remember my dreams I remember my dreams"  I found that I remembered dreams first night of doing this.  IF it doenst come right away it will in a few days or so.  As you continue to do this I have found you remember more and more and evenutally you have lucid dreams.  

Then when you find you remember dreams everynight you start saying " When I am dreaming I realize Im dreams and you eventually become lucid.....


DOA




Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Graupel on July 25, 2003, 14:48:57
Omega, that technique sounds very interesting! I only had one question before I attempt it...  so far this is how I understand it:

1.) Relax (progressive realxation, etc.)
2.) Do you imagine the orange brain/head region and the light blue body from a 3d perspective of looking at your actual body (like transfer of consciousness outside your body).. or do you just imagine an orange color "up there" in the upper range of your vision where the expanse of your mind is, and a light blue in the "lower" range of your black void where you know your body to be?
3.) As you pass your focus from one region to the other while breathing in and out, is your body supposed to eventually get numb but by thinking about it in that manner, you will know that your body is still there and not loose conciousness and drift asleep?


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: omega on July 28, 2003, 20:41:23
Yes it would be the 3rd person view your body will become numb after you have been well relaxed for a while.. anything else


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Astralian on July 30, 2003, 07:29:17
quote:
Originally posted by omega

This meathod workes wonders for many people. This meathod is copyrighted the only people that can publish this are JB and Robert Bruce. Thanks you omega

Mind Awake=Body Asleep this is all you need to AP you don’t need a technique at all. Here is how you do it when your rested repeat in your mind. Mind Awake and try to move your consinious to your brain. Then say Body Asleep in your mind and move your consciousness to your body its that easy. What I do is make two different colors so I can switch back and forth from Mind Awake and Body Asleep. I imagine my Body is a light blue and my brain is orange. When you inhale say in your mind Mind Awake then imagine your body is a light blue with an orange brain. Since your mind is awake increase the color of your orange brain make it brighter and your body dimmer. Then do the opposite when you exhale Say in your mind Body Asleep and dim your orange brain and make your light blue body brighter. You have to remember to say Mind awake or Body asleep in your mind depending on witch one your moving your consciousness to. This is a very easy method you have to try it.



I copyright this idea [:)] nah just kiddin, go ahead, go nuts:

Instead of using colours, use instead people or entities you admire. I think by visualising colours it has the potential of affecting one's aura colour. So unless you know or targeting a particular auric hue...

I think I'll use Jesus vibrations for Mind and Solomon for body etc...LOL So when meditation's over they both return to normal... or whatever



Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Astralian on July 30, 2003, 07:32:19
oh i forgot to add,

Instead of those two respectable beings disappearing, you image one of them falling asleep and the other being fully alert.

c u


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: omega on July 30, 2003, 19:55:08
ha ha okay

Well i got something else i was working on only tested it 2 times because of work but it did have some promising results. What is it you ask well its another exit meathod. Do you know when you reach the trance state you start to feel pressure by your crown "carkas" "I think i spelled that right" well when you start to feel the pressure. Imagine a cylinder kinda like a straw imagine that on the part of your head with the pressure. Then imagine a ghost white copy of yourself attached to the other end of the cylinder in the air. Then try to move the pressure up the cylinder and into the ghost copy of yourself imagine it really hard and slow to move and when it starts to go into the ghost copy of yourself make it thick. Make it like Jello and slowley move it into the copy of yourself. You will most likley start to feel yourself lift up after a good amount is in the ghost copy..

Please Test this for me Omega


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: LA FORET MAUVE on August 10, 2003, 08:33:59
wow
I tried the "blue and orange" technique yesterday and i reached a higher level than before, i didn't OBE but felt the vibes and my body floated for few seconds...thanks Omega, i think that you have found what works best for me ! I'll stick to this ! [:I] I liked the rope method, but like other members here, i had the "muscular tense" problem when pulling the cord...
anyway, thank you very much [|)]


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Mustardseed on August 11, 2003, 07:51:21
I have found that if I place my arms on a surface that is hard and cool , like a table top or something my arms simply start the trance and it spreads very fast. I actually had a popdown table in my trailer and put a cushion on it to nap and OBE(I always lie down ) and my hands sort of rested on the table besides me. It could also be two pieces of wood or something placed on the arm rests I think. I also use a method of the rubber arm. I imagine a small hole in the roof of my trailer, sort of a skylight and reach up and see my arms strech to take hold of the ledge, then after a bit I imagine my spirit slowly "peeling" off my body on the bed under the pressure of the rubber contracting and propelling me upwards. Works pretty good.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: mo3 on August 31, 2003, 15:07:56
How much time should I spend trying this exercise in one sitting? thanks


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Blossom on September 11, 2003, 09:06:09
This is interesting and I will have to give it a try.  I have not successfully meditated in quite some time. The trance state has been elusive for about a year now.  But lately, all my vivid dreams have returned on their own [that I used to have] so it has made want to try again.  Good thread.

Thanks,
Jenn


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: dino333 on September 22, 2003, 22:17:06
I'm going to try this method tonight. It looks very promising. I too have problems with the rope, my eyes try to follow my hands.[xx(]


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: dino333 on September 23, 2003, 22:36:55
Wow. My body was completely relaxed. Now I need to work on the mind part.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: jc84corvette on October 02, 2003, 00:45:44
Hey Dino,

Your mind should eventualy fall into a "sub" sleep state after your body is paralized.



Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: holy reality on November 30, 2003, 01:21:11
i came up with this exact notion one day when i was insanely tired and tried meditating without success...

there is one HUGE problem though

my mind gets so tired it can't say things right, it'll start saying "mind asleep" "body awake" and stuff like that... i get disorganized, it's very hard....

i've tried it before too as a mantra and had the same problem, but i think it's because I'm starting to totally fall asleep... as it drives me into hypnagogic hallucinations and creates that lovely falling sensation you get when falling asleep sometimes.

but it doesn't trance me...

i'm gonna try it tonight though, i never tried the colors thing and trying to visualize it.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: m0d0 on December 05, 2003, 21:50:39
I can't wait to give the Mind Awake, Body asleep method a go. Sure seems like it at the very least to you into a trance state.

Cheers Omega


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: nthjbam on December 06, 2003, 04:51:35
This method is very cool.  As far as getting into deep relaxation it is great.  You can 'cool down' the entire body very fast getting into trance.  As far as the mind, I would suggest letting it go orange as per usual but once you feel your body is asleep, visualize your mind as orange and expanding into a replica of yourself standing on your forehead, and the orange slowly, liquidly transfers from your head into the replica, leaving your body and head blue and your new shell completely orange and ready to go for an astral spin.  I'm going to try it out.  Why I am thirsty for a glass of O.J.?  ;)

Be well,
J


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: m0d0 on December 06, 2003, 21:27:19
So i tried the 'Mind Awake' Method today.

Sucess, as i got further than i had before. (Bare in mind im pretty much still honeing my meditation skills)

At first i thought it wasnt going to work, because i live a house with three other friends coming and going. At first i found it hard to settle down with other activity going on (Not to mention airplanes passing every 5 minutes).

It was then i remembered The Brain Wave generator program, 'Brill' i thought. Sure enough i slipped the earphones on, got all comfy and slipped into the deepest trance state that i'd ever been in. After using the 'Mind Awake' method for about 30 minutes (It still takes me a while) I started to get a little disorientated. So much so at one point my arms flinched in order to regain my balance (I know that shouldn't happen but it did)

After i regained a realxed state i decided to begin ROPE. After using ROPE for about 3 minutes, my heart beat started to race REAL quick! I don't know whether this was down to anxiety or the fact that i was getting close to AP. The problem was my heart was beating so fast it broke my state as i became a little concerned.

So thanks again for the 'Mind Awake' Method. It's taken me further than i'd been before and i'm sure with enough practise it could take me further.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: hypnotist on December 07, 2003, 04:05:05


Hi everyone,

All this talk about Mind Awake, body asleep and then visualizing two color as Mind and body is a disguise technique or method because its the basic foundation of hypnosis.  

I've been a Practioner of hypnosis for 10 years and you can use a single word that can put anyone in a Deep Profound Trance (Hypnosis) in seconds.

Without every going into Delta Brain Wave which is Sleep. It makes me laugh that everyone is disguising hypnosis as other methods.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Huwie on December 07, 2003, 06:44:19
m0d0 - please try not to be too concerned about your heart.  Believe me, there can't be many people as paranoid about their hearts in general than me, so if I can get over it, anyone can!  The thing that really got it for me was something I read in Robert Monroe's book Far Journeys.  He said that in 25 years of experimentation, nobody was ever hurt by the process.

The next time I attempted to project after reading that, my racing heart didn't bother me in the slightest.

hypnotist - what's your problem?  If it works, it works!  Instead of coming here to boast about what you claim to be able to do, try posting something constructive instead.  It'll make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside! [:P]


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: m0d0 on December 07, 2003, 15:02:41
Thanks for the booster Huwie,

I think because it was a first time for me, thats why it kind concerned me. I think it's going to be the same for all the different stages twords AP for me.

When i try it again i know the racing heart won't put me off, but if and when the vibrations kick in, that'll spook me out for the first time. I think it's just a matter of getting used it all as a process.

Thanx for the advice tho. It's appreciated.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: bindi on December 07, 2003, 17:56:18
Great technique....got really quick results at getting into a trance fast, then started the rope but as always, as soon as I get close I seem to snap back andbecome very aware of my breathing (or lack of it) and my awareness shifts and I can't get it back. Ive tried ignoring it but I can't ....I'm assuming that the only way past this is to ignoer it.....[:)]


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Huwie on December 07, 2003, 18:22:40
m0d0 - no problem!  I know exactly how you feel.  The first time I tried to project, I came pretty close but the heart thing got me, too.  I wish I'd read Far Journeys beforehand.  Never mind, next time I think you'll be OK.  The biggest hurdle, in my opinion, is the fear of the unknown.  As long as you want to project enough, though, you'll overcome it eventually.  I know I will!

bindi - putting your body into relaxation/trance is incredibly important.  If you don't do it properly, you'll have enormous difficulties with the rest of the process.  I learned this the hard way.  I find that with ROPE, a useful technique is to imagine that your body is really heavy and therefore that it's a big strain to pull yourself up the rope.  It's my belief that this helps to focus your concentration.  Think about it - if you're actually physically climbing a rope and you find it easy, your mind can wander onto other things.  If you're having a hard time of it though (like I would [;)]), you'll be focussing hard on it in order to succeed.

Works for me, anyway!  Not that I've been able to project yet, mind, but I have been mind-buggeringly close to it since I developed my little variation! [:D]


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: omega on December 07, 2003, 20:30:08
Hellow everyone you might be having trouble with the ROPE tek because you see the rope but it was invented for blind people at first then it crossed over because it worked for people that could see too. When you are doing the Rope tek dont see the rope feel it let me see try to imagine that you are in darkness and cant see the rope if you wanted to then grab the rope and feel the rope and feel yourself climbimg up the rope..

Ta TA


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: bindi on December 07, 2003, 21:43:08
Thanks Huwie,
it was not my first attempt, this seems to be a permanent problem, I have been trying for nearly 2 years with various methods, then fine tuning to those methods, and I get sooooooo close....the heart thing doesn't bother me (though it did the first time!) but the breathing thing gets me every time without fail, its like my brain wont allow that final cross over. I have no fear of AP and have on a humber of occasions have lucid dreams, its the whole concious thing.....I guess I need to just keep trying.........thanks though![:)]


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Huwie on December 08, 2003, 07:39:30
When I'm that close, I'm not even aware of my breathing.  I have no idea if I'm breathing quickly or slowly, heavily or lightly.  My mind is focussed entirely on climbing that neverending rope! [:D]

I think that's probably what you need to focus on...mastering the ROPE technique.  I've said it before and I'll say it again, imagining that your body is really heavy and making yourself struggle to pull it up the rope is very, very effective.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: m0d0 on December 08, 2003, 09:00:41

a useful technique is to imagine that your body is really heavy and therefore that it's a big strain to pull yourself up the rope. It's my belief that this helps to focus your concentration. Think about it - if you're actually physically climbing a rope and you find it easy, your mind can wander onto other things




Interesting variation Huwie, when i feel myself climbing the rope, i'm as light as a feather. I might try it the other way around tonight, see if theres any new developments. Cheers!

[:D]


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: omega on December 28, 2003, 23:28:33
Hello i thougnt i would make a post because there is not one since the 8th in the whole forum maybe it just for reading i dont know but anyway [8] I am working on tons of new stuff when i get it all together i will post it if my brain does not blow up so where is everyone on the MABA method
           Mind awake body asleep
               


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: darkheaven on May 27, 2004, 21:11:49
this works great...no obe, but fast and powerfull.
i have probles entering trance but it took me something like less then a minute i must say that i'm tired too. "the monekey style" very nice.

i saw with my eyes close
i combined this with triagle method.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: cube on May 27, 2004, 21:57:54
Hi omega, it's true that you can copyright specific wordings for things but you can't copyright ideas or procedures. Here's a link that explains it:

http://www.bitlaw.com/copyright/unprotected.html

quote:

As stated in the Copyright Act:

In no case does copyright protection for an original work of authorship extend to any idea, procedure, process, system, method of operation, concept, principle, or discovery, regardless of the form in which it is described, explained, illustrated, or embodied in such work.



Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: BlackBox on June 01, 2004, 01:27:42
I can get into the trance-state also, but just can't let go and OBE.

I guess I'll try the Mind Awake, Body Asleep method, but that sounds over-simplistic...or does it? (dun dun dun)


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: BlackBox on June 01, 2004, 23:50:12
Shouldn't this topic be renamed: "The very easy 'Trance-state' method"?


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Krevency on September 24, 2004, 04:24:31
Thank you for the extremely simple-sounding method, omega.  I dig it quite a bit.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: omega on June 24, 2003, 22:45:21
This method workes wonders for many people. This method is copyrighted the only people that can publish this are JB and Robert Bruce. Thanks you omega

Mind Awake=Body Asleep this is all you need to AP you don’t need a technique at all. Here is how you do it when your rested repeat in your mind. Mind Awake and try to move your consinious to your brain. Then say Body Asleep in your mind and move your consciousness to your body its that easy. What I do is make two different colors so I can switch back and forth from Mind Awake and Body Asleep. I imagine my Body is a light blue and my brain is orange. When you inhale say in your mind Mind Awake then imagine your body is a light blue with an orange brain. Since your mind is awake increase the color of your orange brain make it brighter and your body dimmer. Then do the opposite when you exhale Say in your mind Body Asleep and dim your orange brain and make your light blue body brighter. You have to remember to say Mind awake or Body asleep in your mind depending on witch one your moving your consciousness to. This is a very easy method you have to try it.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Badwuv on November 24, 2004, 21:12:33
This sounds nice and I've done trance-work like it before, I'll have to try it tonight. Is there a way get the mind awake - body asleep thing without words, tho?  I find that words, mantras and such don't have that much of an effect because I concentrate on the sound (in my head) and not the meaning.  Would it be easier, does anyone think, to just think of the meaning or how it feels to have the body asleep and mind awake?
By the way, excellent thinking, Omega.


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Badwuv on November 26, 2004, 18:00:46
I know no one but me has posted in this topic for a while, but I'll post my experiences with this trance work anyway.  I've been more successful when trying this in the morning (at night I just fall asleep).  The first time I tried this in the morning, my body litterally fell asleep after about ten minutes, then I began to go into a deep trance (you know, when you start to have trouble breathing), but I knew my body was asleep because I lost control of my breathing and started breathing slowly and deeply as though I were asleep.  A very powerful technique...


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Under Burning Stars on December 06, 2004, 09:32:52
Thank Omega and everyone else who has been trying and working on these ideas!

Last night i went to bed and began the breathing technique; saying mind awake as i drew breath in, and body asleep as i let the breath go. I used the colour aspect for a little while, but that soon faded, and i just thought about the words.

Well i drifted out of consciousness, but had the most amazingly vivid dreams, followed by quite a profound lucid dream.

I had set my alarm early to practice further, in that relaxed state, but i woke up a few hours before this instead and decided to practice earlier.

So i continued with the words and sensed strong vibrations coming almost instantly. The words really helped me stay focused, and allowed me to take these vibrations further than i have done for some time. I felt a separation, but must have clicked out before i could continue.

Needless to say, i was pretty excited when i woke up. I'm happy to have found a method that works for me, and allows me to stay focused.

So thanks again Omega, your ideas have been a great help!

Peace,
J


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Badwuv on December 13, 2004, 21:46:08
Good for you, Under Burning Stars ;)


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: manpickle on December 14, 2004, 10:27:56
THAnks omega man......This has brought me closer to AP'ing than ever before...I got Astral Noise :)

There was a loud beep that i heard (maybe a cross between a beep and click). It scared the hell outta me but there is no way in which it was something from my room(or anything from my house)...So this had to have been from the astral...

I achieved the light body stage very quickly

Combine this with the triangle method...very cool

Anyway

I would kiss u omega if u were right here  :oops:


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Astral_boi on December 19, 2004, 13:50:15
Excuse me if i seem cranky but its 2 in the morning and i can't get to sleep.

I've been trying several different teks all with no progress! I came along this one hoping it would work with all its positive feedback an all... but no. Now, the problems are: 1. I have no idea in what way to breathe. If im taking "un-natural" breaths (deep breaths etc) isn't that focusing too much on the physical body which will prevent it falling asleep? 2. I can't clear my mind well enough, after thinking "mind awake" by the time im thinking "body asleep" im thinking about how great the day at the beach was! RRRRR. 3. And im really hoping visualize means imagine because if not i have no idea how to visualize.....You see people in sit-coms on tv visualizing with the whole "cloud popping away from the head thing" but it's not supposed to be crystal clear is it? Like i think of my head becoming orange but the rest of my body sort of fades away....

If this made no sense whatsoever and sounded like a heap of rubbish, excuse me but im half asleep. And a 15 year old (me) doesn't have all that much patience (but has persistence) for APing and waiting til morning to post! Im off to bed now and thanks in advance for any feed back  :wink:


Title: The very easy AP method..
Post by: AstralSailor on February 05, 2005, 07:37:04
Hey everyone I'm sorta new to this... Or well did Astral travel alto but just a while ago it seems somehow i lost allot of awareness or well something happened. I wanna try techs i have not tried i hope some one here can guide me or whatever :)  I'm been trying tecnics for 3 days now and i have got the vibrations in well right leg.. Gonna try the mind awake /body asleep tonight because it sounds lot better then Robert Monroe's techs


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Yohan on March 03, 2014, 23:18:06
Where is the original post for this thread? I don't see it?


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Lionheart on March 03, 2014, 23:45:11
Where is the original post for this thread? I don't see it?
You can review all the posts that a member makes here by going to their profile.

 Omega has created and written a couple of different techniques in completely different threads on this Forum. This was found with a simple search of his profile.

 "This topic's OP though is this one:
 This method workes wonders for many people. This method is copyrighted the only people that can publish this are JB and Robert Bruce. Thanks you omega

Mind Awake=Body Asleep this is all you need to AP you don’t need a technique at all. Here is how you do it when your rested repeat in your mind. Mind Awake and try to move your consinious to your brain. Then say Body Asleep in your mind and move your consciousness to your body its that easy. What I do is make two different colors so I can switch back and forth from Mind Awake and Body Asleep. I imagine my Body is a light blue and my brain is orange. When you inhale say in your mind Mind Awake then imagine your body is a light blue with an orange brain. Since your mind is awake increase the color of your orange brain make it brighter and your body dimmer. Then do the opposite when you exhale Say in your mind Body Asleep and dim your orange brain and make your light blue body brighter. You have to remember to say Mind awake or Body asleep in your mind depending on witch one your moving your consciousness to. This is a very easy method you have to try it."

 Here are a couple more from Omega.

 "Experimental Method

This method uses Affirmations to work plus a little big of imagination too. Here is what you would do before you lay down to try to project turn on the lights and look at everything in your room notice where everything is closet, socks, television, etcetera remember where everything is located when you are relaxed lay down turn off the lights and relax. When you begin to do this method try to remember what objects are in your room and how your room looks then pick an object like lets say a plant hanging on your wall. Imagine the plant in your mind where it is located just put 100 percent of your focus into trying to recreate the image of the object. Then loose focus of the object and focus on your body and say in your mind Fully Alert. Then when you say fully alert in your mind grab another object in your room and focus on it when you are focusing on the object say what it is in your mind example TV, book etcetera. So to rap things up I find it easier to do this technique if you base it on your inhales and exhales when you inhale focus on your body and say in your mind fully alert. Then when you exhale pick an object say the name of the object in your mind and focus on it. Then when you inhale again go back to your physical body and repeat the process."

 and

 
"STICK METHOD – This is one of my new methods that I have come up with I have had good results with this method. I did some thinking and I came up with this stick figure that would replace the physical body. For this method to work you can take out the image of your physical body and imagine a stick figure instead. Example you can imagine the stick figure walking moving his arms or doing anything that a physical person could do so it’s very easy to replace this with your physical imagined person.

WALK METHOD-Using Stick Method – This method you imagine a stick figure of yourself imagine him or her walking around you house try to move your consinious to the stick figure so you can see what he see’s and touch what he touches. After I imagine the stick man walking around the house I make him walk outside and walk around the street try to remember all of the houses and landmarks and see them from his viewpoint like you were really walking down the street. Just keep on walking and experiencing your surroundings and have fun and the vibrations will come. I think this method works better because you don’t focus on your physical body you forget about it but the stick man can still do everything that you physical body can do so there is no hindrance in making the change.



Eye Rover
For this method you have to forget about your physical body try to imagine two big eyes looking all around your room. Try to forget about your physical body and move your consinious into the two big eyes and see with those eyes. Start by looking around your room then go outside just look at all the houses the noises you would think you hear the cars that are usually parked there. Just keep on going father and farther away from you physical body with these two big eyes go as far away as you can or until you cant remember what the surrounding environment looks like if you forget just start working your way back to your house. The key to this method is to see thru the two big eyes look around with them its hard to get used to but with practice you wont switch between viewpoints from your physical eyes to you imaginary eyes you can stay in one viewpoint and the longer you forget about your body the faster you will start to shift between bodies."
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 Each of these technique has the same thing in common and that's to develop a good NP focus, which is what AP is really all about anyways. Omega shows you different ways of doing this. He also shows his level of vast level of creativity!  :-)

 He also uses motion in his techniques. Which I have found is very helpful as well!  :wink:

 
 


 

 

 

 


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Lionheart on March 04, 2014, 07:03:39
Here's a good practice for maintaining a good NP focus.

 Put your hand out straight in front of you. Now make a fist. Close your eyes and just relax for a minute.

 Now, starting with your little finger (pinky), open your "etheric hand" finger by finger. But don't move your real fingers or hand at all. This is VERY difficult to do at first because just the thought of moving your finger will immediately give you the impulse to move your physical finger. At first you probably won't see anything, but you will definitely feel the impulse. Once you have finished opening your 4 fingers and thumb, make a fist again. But again, make sure you don't move your physical hand at all. Now open just one finger and watch as it expands outwards about 2 feet from you. Now retract it back to your hand. Keep doing this until you can not only see it, but feel it as well.

 Once you get good with that, turn your entire "etheric" fist upwards, then back down. Now start to move it side to side. Now start to sway your "etheric elbow" side to side. You will notice that after about 5 minutes of complete focus on this and this only that when you return your focus back to your physical body, you are now experiencing some pretty good vibrations.

 The trick to all good focus techniques is to learn how HOLD that focus for a period of time. This takes daily practice, but once you find that you can do it, AP will be a breeze for you. It will literally be as easy as flicking a switch.

 Make sure that you practice the same technique as much as you can. You will find by doing this you have "entrained" a certain trigger that can be turned on and off at will.

 After awhile, just the thought of attempting this practice will put you deep in the zone.

 I read here how people try this or that technique and if it doesn't work after a couple of days, they move on to the next thing. This is why they fail. You must find a method you are interested, then hone your skills.


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Xanth on March 04, 2014, 13:16:29
What Lionheart posted feeds off an article that I'll be writing soon for my website.

Basically, the gist of the article is that whatever you can experience is real.
So when you're visualizing your etheric fingers opening one at a time, they REALLY ARE doing that.  It's REALLY happening.

Take an exercise such as bouncing an energy ball between your hands.  If while you're doing it, you FEEL a ball (or something) bouncing from hand to hand... then it's something that's REALLY happening.

Remember though that the same principles for this are the same as they apply for the non-physical... WHAT you experience is objective, HOW you experience it is subjective.
Meaning that the experience of the energy moving between your hands is 100% real, because you're experiencing it... but HOW you experience it is going to be subjective.  You can feel it as a pressure between your hands... heat on your hands... etc... ANYTHING.  But keep in mind that it IS real.  :)

That's what makes what Lionheart suggested above so powerful... or anything you do really, because it's real and is really happening.


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Astralsuzy on March 07, 2014, 09:50:28
This is a very easy technique.   Tell me what you think of it.   Perhaps you think it is awful or good.   The only hard part about it is not to go to bed.   This is what you do.

Lie down on the floor on a very thin mattress so it is not comfortable.   If you are too comfortable you are likely to fall asleep.   
Lie on your back and meditate.   If ap has not happened for a while, change to another position that is not comfortable.    Keep changing positions until you ap.   I am not able to lie down in the one position for a long time.    Forcing yourself to lie down in the same position will not work.   
It will work but you have to concentrate.   If you loose concentration you are likely to fall asleep.   You must be patient.    Sometimes it does not take long to ap and other times it can take longer.


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Astralsuzy on March 07, 2014, 20:40:21
A lot of times when I meditate it works.   There are times when it does not work.    Last night I did not ap.   I was meditating for about three hours.   Then I went to bed.     I am not disappointed as I learnt something.    Next time when ap does not happen I will imagine something so I will ap to that place.   Usually I know I am about to ap is when my forehead gets more relaxed than normal.   This morning my forehead did not get more relaxed.    I was meditating for a while but nothing happened.    I decided to imagine that I was at the beach and it worked.    I feel happy about my achievement as I am learning more about what works for me.   For now on I am going to meditate for a while and if I ap that is great.    If I do not ap I will imagine I am at the beach or somewhere else.


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Lionheart on March 07, 2014, 22:26:33
 I'm glad you didn't get frustrated Suzy.  :-)

 Meditating is good for you anyways. Even if you don't AP, you still get some quality "me time"!  :wink:


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Astralsuzy on March 08, 2014, 02:04:22
Thank you Lionheart.   I have learnt recently that meditating is still good practice even if I do not ap.    I know meditating is very good for stress and other things.


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Astralsuzy on March 08, 2014, 08:49:40
That is a good way of looking at it Lionheart.    I have learnt not to get frustrated if I do not ap.   I realise I may not ap every time I want to.    I have to accept it.    It is a waste of time worrying or getting upset every time I do not ap.    I try and do my best.   If I do not succeed there is always next time. 


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: lillymoon on April 21, 2014, 19:29:39
I'm glad you didn't get frustrated Suzy.  :-)

 Meditating is good for you anyways. Even if you don't AP, you still get some quality "me time"!  :wink:

Totally agree with you there Lion!


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Astralsuzy on April 22, 2014, 15:27:14
This works most of the time.   Get some sleep first.    I have been trying to ap without any sleep.   ap can still happen but it makes it harder.   As I said, get some sleep.  Whatever time you wake up, get up out of bed.   You might sleep for a few hours or more.
Get out of your comfortable bed and lie somewhere else that is not too comfortable.
Meditate and keep concentrating every moment so you do not fall asleep.
If you start to get too uncomfortable change to another position.
Do an ap technique.   If it does not work keep meditating for a while and then do an ap technique.
This method always works.   It is brilliant.   I have had a lot of aps this way.
Very rarely ap does not happen.   If it does not happen I have learnt not to get discouraged or disappointed and try again the next morning.   I usually ap again.


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: jessicalynncp on June 04, 2014, 09:21:56
Where is this method?? :)


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Astralsuzy on June 09, 2014, 04:12:09
Hi all, I have been trying a different method.   I have not succeeded as yet but I will.   It is important to be confident and think you will succeed or it becomes a lot harder to do.   When I go to bed, I try to go to bed earlier so I am not tired.  I meditate and I watch myself getting more and more relaxed.   I just have to concentrate a bit more so I will not fall asleep.   I have been practicing for weeks.   Before I could be lying for hours and nothing happens.   I think that happens is because I do not believe I will ap.   It is very important to get my mind right and to be positive.   If I start to feel uncomfortable when there is no reason I tell myself I am comfortable.     It helps a lot when I say that.  I will let you know how it goes.    I can ap if I get out of bed in the mornings but I want to ap in the afternoons.   


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: IndigoSoul on August 03, 2014, 09:25:56
sorry i am new to this forum but where exactly can i see the OP containing the method all i can see is replies. also the rope method also causes my body to tense up.


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Lionheart on August 03, 2014, 10:04:24
sorry i am new to this forum but where exactly can i see the OP containing the method all i can see is replies. also the rope method also causes my body to tense up.
On page 3 of this thread. Look for my post made on Mar 3/2014 at 23:45.  :-)


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Maria on October 16, 2014, 16:30:57
excuse me, I think the data is missing. Can somebody tell me what is this very easy AP method?


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: Xanth on October 16, 2014, 19:28:08
excuse me, I think the data is missing. Can somebody tell me what is this very easy AP method?
The thread is an old one copied from forum to forum... you'll need to find the start of the thread based upon the earliest "date" in the thread.


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: OOBE717 on September 21, 2015, 02:19:25
What is the actual method?


Title: Re: The very easy AP method..
Post by: AstralPhreak on November 20, 2015, 04:43:45
State of trance is kind of different with this technique, but it's powerfull. Love it!