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Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences => Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! => Topic started by: Logic on October 07, 2003, 03:39:20



Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Logic on October 07, 2003, 03:39:20
Wow, thats a pretty surreal story, I cant say if its real or not. If it is, hmm.. Could just be an immense telepath trying to mess with your head, or government trying to abduct you, or if your lucky, your real guardian. Cool


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Blue Giant on October 07, 2003, 03:46:24
Hmmm, business cards? I find that a little fishy. I won't be able to help you too much, but considering your dealing with a 'guardian' why would his presence bring about the feeling of goosebumps. Might be your psyche reaction, but if something were to be so gentle wouldn't a calm, collective atmosphere suite this individual. Goosebumbs generally are a good sign or what (I'm not talkin being cold here), listen to your gut feeling. I think a guardian would bring a calm smile and safe feeling. That's just me...but thought I would toss sumthin. Sounds exciting.

Rusty

" I live for that kind of stuff " - teehee


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: alt0xFF on October 07, 2003, 05:53:08
http://www.anywho.com/rl.html


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on October 07, 2003, 09:26:49
Maybe it is just his way of picking up chicks. Sometimes a guy has to be creative. [;)]


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Hephaestus on October 07, 2003, 12:19:52
Beware strangers bareing gifts - beware strangers bareing business cards even more!
Trust no-one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: shaman on October 07, 2003, 13:32:29
If he were your guardian he would be able to "apparate" anywhere, in your bedroom, ... but mainly in your DREAMS, not next to your work...

I suspect it is a person who is on the web doing research on you... You have posted some of your dreams and OBE here, so if he found you here he knows all that from here.

Have you seen the moive "the net" with Sandra B.? It is exactly that, a person who is chatting with Sandra on the net and he knows all what she reveals on the net, her favorite drinks, her favorite books, what she is doing, etc.... So for sure this person is NOT a REAL guardian angel but a FAKE. BE careful!!! It could be a friend making a bad joke, or worse someone who has been spying on you that way for a while already. I do not see why he should be from the militray or the government (that would still be understandable and OK). The worst is that if this person is just unsane!

PLEASE, TAKE CARE!!!!!

Is there anything this bold guy knew that you did not tell anybody???? Is there such a thing?


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: shaman on October 07, 2003, 13:38:35
By the way I have actually heard that the military and government would be interested in person OBEing... like for example OBEing to Moscow, or other places... so the big bald black guy sounds like the "head of the CIA" in Lilo and Stitch... or even in any other movie.... Sorry to refer you to movies...

But please, be careful!


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on October 07, 2003, 14:16:10
Why would the government be interested in anyone here? All they have to do is buy Astral Dynamics for their agents and tell them to learn how to do it.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Logic on October 07, 2003, 14:35:51
Maybe their all just really really lazy.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: RJA on October 07, 2003, 14:55:50
Well for starters, plug the number into a reverse phone directory such as this one: http://www.reversephonedirectory.com/ and it might tell you who the phone number belongs to, address, etc.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: ralphm on October 07, 2003, 19:17:31
Did he actually tell you things that you have never written on this site or told anyone? If that is the case he has a direct tap on your mind.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Vicky on October 07, 2003, 20:07:12
Hello Leyla,
This is a really extraordinary situation. If you have posted all the experiences he knows about that easily to be faked then. But if you haven't told anyone about your dream than this story is the most interesting one I've ever heard. If there was no way for him to know about your dream I would call him but not meet him. Of course always be very careful. Hackers have access to our computers even if we do not post anything on the web so if you have written your deram somewhere on the PC again there is a chance for him to know about it. So be careful


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Yafey on October 07, 2003, 20:43:59
Weird!!!
I've never heard something like this before!
Anyway, i think that he will not come here. This card is a bright sign, that he wants a vivid connection, real live conversation. That reminds me to ask you, why do you want a conversation here, but no in any chat room or smth?
 Obviously this man knows you well, and his information is not from here. The morning nightmare that you had approves that.
 Also, (i do not want to frighten you) but the card could be a Trojan Horse in case that he wants to harm you or smth.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: James S on October 07, 2003, 21:12:55
Hi Leyla,

Has this man described to you any dreams or experiences of yours that you have not documented on this site or anywhere else, details that you have not shared with other people? If this is the case then that would absolutely rule out the idea of a stalking hacker, or anyone keeping tabs on you.

I don't subscribe to the idea of government agents getting involved in this kind of stuff. Conspiracy theorists don't seem to have anything better to do than to come up with these notions, but I'm sure world government agencies, especially the US agencies, have a have a few more pressing matters to attend to at the moment than following young ladies around trying to tap in to their minds.

As soon as you mentioned "Guardian" I had shivers run up my spine. I might seem out of line here, but where everyone else has dismissed this guy as something bad, I believe he is something good. Guardians are protectors and can be trusted. They've had a lot of training and are highly diciplined, kind of like the Jedi Knights of this world. Be as cautious and as careful as you feel necessary Leyla, he won't mind, in fact he will expect it. I do believe though he is here to help, not to harm.

Kind regards,
James


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: alt0xFF on October 07, 2003, 21:28:40
Yafey's post made me suddenly remember an episode I've had a couple of years ago. I was walking somewhere in midtown Manhattan, got pretty tired and decided to rest on a bench for a couple of minutes. On the nearby bench next to me there was sitting an old jew in typical outfit (black raincoat, hat, beard, the whole package). He approached me and told me some of my personal info - my and my mother's name, where I was born, etc. It appeared to me that he was extracting / remembering / obtaining information on the fly, as opposed to knowing it beforehand - he kept closing eyes and looking upwards, as if he was trying to recall the info. I asked him how he knew all that, but he didn't answer. Instead, he said "I have a present for you". He opened a briefcase and pulled out a new unsharpened plain regular M2 pencil (which are usually sold in bulk packages). He gave it to me and went away. After analyzing pros and cons of the situation, I decided that the optimal course of action would be to dispose of the "present" just in case, so I threw it out in the nearest trash-can.

The morale of the story: what the hell was that? Did I do the right thing?

James S,
quote:
I believe he is something good

I think it is too early to even try to make preliminary conclusions regarding whether he is good or bad. People here simply express concerns in case it is the latter.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Yafey on October 07, 2003, 22:09:02
In all the books that i've red and according to my experience, that is not the way a guardian should act.
 But there Is some Sense connecting with the "Watching" status of that man. I Know that there are people that are looking for other people with abilities. For some reason i dont know about. I was taled to stay away from them (in case that i recognize them). Also i was taled they could be dangerous.
  I think you should not rush too much with that staff. Think well before calling him. Or when you both meet again.
  Beware and have Luck!!


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Yafey on October 07, 2003, 22:28:53
I remembered something else. I've heard that some people possess the ability to see other peoples dreams and thoughts, because these thoughts and dreams are round the peoples bodies. That includes the aura. I can imagine how vivid these images are after a nightmare.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Leyla on October 08, 2003, 00:09:27
So you're saying there really are such things as "guardians?"
Please elaborate. What are they? Human? Angelic? or a little of both?

Most all of my astral experience are posted on this site- I took that into consideration. But he knew other things. My dreams, lots of other things. I wasn't scared because I felt he was evil, it's because I felt he had a key and had walked into my mind. This guy was far more powerful than anyone I've ever met. And that's another reason I feel he can't be evil. He must be very spiritual to have this power. He apologised for scaring me, but said he had to get my attention.

I told my friend at work about what he had done and she approached him, he went into total denial, like it was no big deal, swearing he was not a psychic, and had no abilities it's just that he could sometimes "figure people out" and "had a special connection" to me.

Oh, and by the way, maybe this isn't connected at all, but the moment I walked away from him I sat down in front of a little slip of paper, it was a fourtune cookie that said something about "true friendship" being "valuable," or something. I still have it too. I thought it was creepy.

I'm too chicken to call. If he's a "guardian" and has some special interest in me he'll be back.

Oh- I should mention this. He has a scar on his right hand. A big one. I touched it and he said "Yes, I've been shot."
WTF?


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: wantsumrice on October 08, 2003, 01:08:31
WOW [:O][:O]

sounds like it was straight out of a movie or something! that is some pretty wild stuff guys, it just goes to show how there is so much more to this world than what you see.

Next thing you know it, its gonna be like the Matrix and agents start going after you! WATCH YOUR BACK lol...

in seriousness, i think its wicked cool...why not call the guy and see what hes all about?  

no fear.

~ivan


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Nahaz on October 08, 2003, 08:26:08
Listen to your heart. Your own discernment is a powerful tool.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Zeke88 on October 08, 2003, 09:12:10
Ask him, 'When I hang up this phone and turn around will you be there?' [:D]


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: astralspinner on October 08, 2003, 09:38:08
Post his phone number and let us lot give him a call :)


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Zeke88 on October 08, 2003, 09:51:59
lol ask him to give us the number of the 'Guardian hotline'


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on October 08, 2003, 09:52:22
If you do call him, call from a public phone or work. Don't call from your home phone. If he has less than honorable intentions it will be way too easy to find out where you live by calling from your home phone.

I have seen Guardian used in several different places. One that sticks in my mind is associated with aliens. Do a search on the net and I bet you can get some freaky stuff.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: cainam_nazier on October 08, 2003, 10:45:03
You know I have had to stop myself from doing that to people at times.  It may sound odd but with certain people I just get a lot of information from very few words.  I don't get anything like names or exact dream images but I learn a bunch of other things.  It's part of being empathic.  The strong ones come from people who are depressed over a situation or person.  But I don't approach strangers with that kind of stuff its just not me.  And I personally think that they could do with out the shock.  It's a little freaky if you know what I mean.

My personal urge would be to call him.  But from some place "safe" as mentioned above.  Like from a pay phone.  Should you set up something like a meeting then I would definatly take a friend or two.  Some one you can trust and who is aware of your situation, that way it's not too awkward.

The fact that some one else saw him was a good thing.  That way at least you know he is real and not one of those super bizare movie guys who just pops up out of no where and then dissapears just the same.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: shaman on October 08, 2003, 13:19:53
Leyla,

Was the man dressed all in black??? He had a scar in his palm, did he have 2 smaller scars on the other side of his hand??

I would expect your guardian angel to be either native american or russian, that is: someone from your ancestors, family, as you mentioned to me in a previous posting native american and russian. Though he could be just a friend visiting you for a short while (he  would not be your Main Guardian Angel - the one who stays with you all your life, but rather one that appears at a period of your life for a short time).

It happened to me that I knew things about people but it was only a little bit of information at a time, such as congradulating a colleague who got a new job when he himself learned about it only 30min before and none else knew..., or sensing someone is about to die (mainly family people),... but nothing like your big guy.

And by the way, you have the most wonderfull, amazing, surprizing postings on the forum! I always end up reading your postings, they are very interesting and intriguing!


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: GhostRider on October 08, 2003, 18:08:18

 And all this is going on right here in the good-ole'-Houston area...hmmm...?  
   While I understand if you are hesitant about phoning this man, I would think that if he got beside your bedroom at night ONCE, he can do it again and again and again...  And you don't know if he hasn't been in your apartment/house before that point or since that incident happened.  He could be visiting once or twice a week, standing off in a corner or beside your bed and just calmly looking down with his big, psychic eyes at you... you never know.

So it would appear to me that you have but ONE course of action, flush him out.
Now, there have been some good suggestions on how to do that here already and having your friend talk to him was one way.  Another would be to phone him from a payphone, and keep it at that venue till you get to know him better.  Don't invite him home just yet...you never know what he's capable of, since the most dangerous men are usually the most charming and emotionally disarming gentlemen you'll ever know.  And if his motives are of a purer sort than taking the slow and steady approach will just let you get to know him better.  On terrain that's more of your choosing than his...

Good luck and keep us posted.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: dino333 on October 08, 2003, 21:01:02
This very freaky. My advise, try setting up some astral barriers and night. If you call him, ask him questions. A lot of questions. If he is your guardian, he shouldn't mind. If he asks you a question, try not to answer it too directly. Good Luck!!


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Hephaestus on October 08, 2003, 22:14:23
I think we are missing an extremely large part of the puzzle here.

What was this recurring nightmare you kept getting before this man approached you? what was it about and what happened in it? (of course if you dont wish to say that is ok [:)] )
Perhaps the nightmare was/is a higher self warning call that this guy shouldnt be trusted? he told you how to get rid of it, 2 possible reasons, (1) he's a nice guy or (2) he's stamping out you higher self warning call.

Is there even the slightest chance he is responsible for this recurring nightmare? seems rather coincidental you have this recurring nightmare then he shows up telling you all about it. hmm?
(http://community.the-underdogs.org/smiley/misc/searching.gif)


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Leyla on October 09, 2003, 04:19:03
Okay, I'm going to answer these in order.

>He had a scar in his palm, did he have 2 smaller scars on the other >side of his hand??

The shot was through the middle finger of his hand, at the base. No I did not see the other side.

>He could be visiting once or twice a week, standing off in a corner >or beside your bed and just calmly looking down with his big, >psychic eyes at you... you never know.

Stop that! You're freaking me out.
Again I don't know if this is connected or not, but two nights before I did get out of body, and an angelic thing showed up. For some reason it threw itself over me, across my back. I have had back pain for a long time and believe it might have been trying to help.
The next night I woke up to the nightmare and drove to work with the song "I'm calling on angels" cranked up full blast in my car because I was depressed about it. Enter "Guardian."

>Is there even the slightest chance he is responsible for this >recurring nightmare? seems rather coincidental you have this >recurring nightmare then he shows up telling you all about it. hmm?

No way in hell. The nightmare is a flashback from a traumatic incident in my childhood.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: cainam_nazier on October 09, 2003, 06:57:01
There is one thing that people keep bringing up that I think is getting over looked.  The "Guardian" idea.

Personally I believe that there is no way that he, being a physically real person, can be your own personal guardian like some are thinking.  It is more like he is "A Guardian" not "Your specific guardian".  The freakiness of the situation is comming from people assigning the metaphysical guardian qualities to a physical person.  It just doesn't seem to work that way in my eyes.

Okay so he's "A Guardian"...The question should be a guardian of what?  The buisness card would suggest that he gave himself this title or believes himself to be one of some kind.  The question is weather or not he has a guardian mentallity.  This being that ultimately the next step is yours and that he will not pursue the issue any further than you wish to.

If that is the case I would equate him to being much like a sign post that you are looking at the back of.  You "could" go around and see what the sign says or you could continue about your day....In the end sign post doesn't really care if you read it or not.  But the information is there should you want it.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Hephaestus on October 09, 2003, 16:12:02
quote:
Originally posted by Leyla

>Is there even the slightest chance he is responsible for this >recurring nightmare? seems rather coincidental you have this >recurring nightmare then he shows up telling you all about it. hmm?

No way in hell. The nightmare is a flashback from a traumatic incident in my childhood.



Hate to say it but if he's able to psychically tap into your memories then I dont see why he couldnt be responsible for the nightmare.
I get a bad vibe about this guy.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Leyla on October 10, 2003, 03:38:27
>Hate to say it but if he's able to psychically tap into your >memories then I dont see why he couldnt be responsible for the >nightmare.

*sigh* I've had these nightmares since I was a child. For about 20 years now. He was probably a kid then himself, without the desire/ability to torment some woman he planned on running into two decades into the future. Seems like a whole lot of effort for a few minutes of conversation. Please give this idea up. You're beating a dead horse.

And you sound like one of those witch hunters. The old hag was able to cure someones illness with her knowledge of herb lore, so that "proves" she must have caused the illness with her witchcraft. Burn her! Burn her!

>I get a bad vibe about this guy

You've never met him.

I'm going to have to ask you to lay off, and quit grinding on this paranoid theory. The man is not the spawn of satan.

Don't you realize that we scare the excrement out of people too??? With our weird abilities? Not long ago they'd have burned you too, and me and all of us! Just because the man has powers I haven't run into before I can't go assuming he's using them for evil! One of the "muggels" could easily say the same of me. And they would be wrong.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Tao on October 10, 2003, 06:56:11
Nice Leyla - i would meet him again and see what he wants...
 Well - if he is from a gouverment agency - that`s cool  :D
 If he is evil.. - he is not !  - if he is evil and that powerfull - more weird things would have happened until now - bad things for you - not scare you but harm you - of course he could be teasing :(
 
 If he is an Angel - well that`s great and maybe not that great - because think about it - why the need of an Angel - that means something REALLY REALLY BAD is about to happen and he is there to try to stop it.. But if he is evil and that powerfull that means something REALLY REALYY GOOD is about to happen and he is there to try to stop it..

So be carefull of what you wish this man to be !
Mihai


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Tombo on October 10, 2003, 07:49:18
I would call back before theories go hand of hand without any real proof! If he met you he can meet you again if he knows so much about you he'll find out were you live with no problem. So thats obviously not what he wants. He wants you to contact him. Once you call him you'll see what he wants, then you'll have a much better chance to figure out whats going on. I'll would certainly inform some people close to you just in case he's not an angel or something.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: GhostRider on October 10, 2003, 17:31:11

 Like I said earlier, flush him out.  Waiting is just gonna make you more anxious and nervous.  There's a 50/50 chance he'll hurt you.  If you survive and thrive within his friendship than keep us posted.  Other than that, asking more questions isn't gonna solve things, you've asked enough, and enough answers have been offered here for you to mull over almost all the possibilities.  Which means you are prepared, you are ready, and now the only question is, are you able...?  Keep us posted how the meeting goes.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Squeek on October 10, 2003, 17:58:15
Reading this whole topic made me think really hard on what I would do if the same were to happen to me.  I came to these conclusions.

1.  I do not think the man will try to meet you in person again, meet you here, or call you.  The situation I picture here is from The Matrix (Aren't they all!)  Morpheus calls Neo and tells him enough to prove that there is a Morpheus out there, and he can help.  He doesn't force Neo to meet him at all, it was Neo himself who had to put forth the effort. Look what it did for him [;)]

2.  I do not think the man is there to hurt you.  This goes with my innocent until proven guilty outlook on life.

3.  I think you should call him.  For one, it shows that you believed him enough to call him.  Two...  what harm can he do over a phone?  Three, if after the call you never want to talk to him again and you tell him, but still think he will want to talk to you, we have these little happy thingies called restraining orders. [:P]

I hope you make the best decision!

~Squeek


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Hephaestus on October 10, 2003, 18:54:16
quote:
Originally posted by Leyla

>Hate to say it but if he's able to psychically tap into your >memories then I dont see why he couldnt be responsible for the >nightmare.

*sigh* I've had these nightmares since I was a child. For about 20 years now. He was probably a kid then himself, without the desire/ability to torment some woman he planned on running into two decades into the future. Seems like a whole lot of effort for a few minutes of conversation. Please give this idea up. You're beating a dead horse.

And you sound like one of those witch hunters. The old hag was able to cure someones illness with her knowledge of herb lore, so that "proves" she must have caused the illness with her witchcraft. Burn her! Burn her!

>I get a bad vibe about this guy

You've never met him.

I'm going to have to ask you to lay off, and quit grinding on this paranoid theory. The man is not the spawn of satan.

Don't you realize that we scare the excrement out of people too??? With our weird abilities? Not long ago they'd have burned you too, and me and all of us! Just because the man has powers I haven't run into before I can't go assuming he's using them for evil! One of the "muggels" could easily say the same of me. And they would be wrong.



Fine by me, go and have a cup of tea and a bun with the guy then, no skin off my nose. [|)]


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Tisha on October 10, 2003, 22:14:26
Leyla, Cainam is the only person, I think, who has come even CLOSE to asking you the most important question of all:  WHAT DO YOU WANT?


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: TheLunatic on October 11, 2003, 00:51:51
quote:
Originally posted by Tisha

Leyla, Cainam is the only person, I think, who has come even CLOSE to asking you the most important question of all:  WHAT DO YOU WANT?


I honestly think that she only has one option and that she already knows what she needs to do.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: electricdreamer on October 11, 2003, 01:44:26
Wow, that is so scarey-I would do a bit of reverse back ground checking on the guy-a good place to start is the reverse phone directory and than government websites-if you are scared..


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Leyla on October 12, 2003, 09:26:41
Done. I've called him and we're meeting tomorrow night.

I've arranged for us to be in a public place, and I'll be there with a male friend of mine.

I'll keep you posted.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Tao on October 12, 2003, 11:13:40
WOw - that`s great - i can`t wait to read what will happen :)
I`m pretty sure it`s nothing bad - maybe an AP`er who likes you :D

LOL,
Mihai


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Hephaestus on October 12, 2003, 12:54:36
quote:
Originally posted by Leyla


I'll keep you posted.



If you make it back alive.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: lullabi on October 12, 2003, 12:58:41
eep..


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: GhostRider on October 12, 2003, 16:45:45

 Leyla... "got me on my knees, LEYLA!  I'm begging darling please, LEYLA!"  Lol!  Sorry, couldn't help myself, lol!  

 Good luck and do keep us posted.  I'm here in Houston too if you need to p.m. anyone...this is cool, it probably will work out.  Got a good feeling about it.  Normally, I wouldn't, this situation reads to sketchy to trust, but my gut-feeling is is that it's an A-OK situation.  Again, good luck and keep us posted Leyla... "I'm begging darling please, LEYLA!"[;)]


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: GhostRider on October 14, 2003, 01:38:58

 I wonder if Leyla's allright?


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Nay on October 14, 2003, 01:48:33
AND THESE ARE THE DAYS OF OUR LIVES....[:O]


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Ceriel N on October 14, 2003, 06:47:05
quote:
Originally posted by Leyla - 12 October 2003 :  11:26:41

I've called him and we're meeting tomorrow night.


14 October 2003 now...

*Is worried about a person he's never known or talked to before.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Hephaestus on October 14, 2003, 15:35:54
Im sure shes ok, I mean, she was certainly adament I was wrong when I said he shouldnt be at all trusted.
Im sure she knew what she was doing when she met him, and im sure the male friend of hers was enough precaution.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: alt0xFF on October 14, 2003, 17:18:44
Code:
suspenseLevel++;


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Tao on October 14, 2003, 19:07:54
I hope she`s fine - and i hope she`ll be back to tell us what happened !



Good Luck Leyla!
Mihai


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Van-Stolin on October 15, 2003, 02:25:39
Yeah getting really worried about her.  She is really nice.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: punkyou on October 15, 2003, 03:59:35
You have to be kidding, right?


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Van-Stolin on October 15, 2003, 04:20:15
Why do you say that?  She has her views and yeah she does seem like she isn't very freindly, but really she seems nice to me.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Leyla on October 15, 2003, 08:32:37
I'm alive!

Okay here's what happened. I talked to him and we agreed to meet. On my way there, there was a car accident that caused a traffic back up. I got there a half-hour late. When I finally arrived he wasn't there.

But when we *did* talk,  I was told that he's had AP's since he was thirteen. He says he keeps going to a place on the astral that doesn't make any sense to him, it's a mystery he's been trying to solve, and he thinks that maybe I can help him figure it out.

I am guessing that's what he wants with me. But there might be something else he didn't mention. I only got a brief description of the place. He says it's random and chaotic with lines and numbers. Perhaps he wants to take me there, or have me meet him there.

I think I might call again (from a payphone) and try to meet up with him to discuss this further in person. Although I have no idea about this place he's talking about. I could only tell him that a certain amount of chaos is necessary in the universe for creative purposes. I told him what I knew and he thanked me and said that I had been very informative.

And punkyou was responding to the original post- not to VanStolins comment.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Ceriel N on October 15, 2003, 10:59:43
Chaos is what's on the other side of the figurative 'wall' at the end of the universe. Chaos is Notingness, null and void, but at the same time it is endless potential.
The ancient Greek said the Cosmos stems from Chaos, and modern esotericans, and recently scientists agree.

The Cosmos is governed by Law, and in everything here is Order. One could say that the Cosmos is Law, law of nature, powered and put in motion by potential.

Observe any system and patterns emerge. - Entropy increases.

However, if you only see part of it you can not make sense of it, and some things are simply beyond many people's prescent state of development.
This man must figure you have a greater perspective and see more than most people do, or altenatively, a different perspective that he wishes to study.

Patterns. As above so below, but we can only see what is below. Above makes little sense to us. We can only guess what piece of the puzzle should be in the empty spots.

Could you please tell me, did he describe the system of lines and numbers in greater details? Did he mention any other properies?


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Hephaestus on October 15, 2003, 15:50:46
quote:
Originally posted by Leyla

I'm alive!




You didnt meet him, therefore im not surprised.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: alt0xFF on October 15, 2003, 16:49:17
quote:
Chaos is Notingness, null and void, but at the same time it is endless potential.


I hope you were joking when you said that.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Ceriel N on October 15, 2003, 18:31:44
I take it you seek an explanation rather than answer, yes?

Okay, I assume you dislike the connection between Chaos and Void, as most people do. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

The void is not a place, a tangible thing or empty space. It is what doesn't exist. It's what's on the other side of the Event Horizon.
Concider what would happend if you dropped into a black hole. Your consciousness is an immortal principle, so it would not be effected much. However, your mind and body, governed by law, would disperse. You'd lack all sense impressions and ability to think...
The next thing you'd be conscious of is a proverbial Big Bang; the creation of a cosmos, and with it; everything.
This is how Cosmos stems from the Void, and the link from the void to chaos is quite simple: Lack of Law. In the void there is no Law, no patern, no nothing, yet it is from this that all we've ever experienced comes from.

Chaos, the phenomena, is potential brough under Law, such as the sea of energy bubbling in vacuum. As such it is not true Chaos, but rather randomness.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: alt0xFF on October 15, 2003, 21:22:21
Ceriel, when I read your posts, I cannot but wonder how you carelessly jungle all these terms and ideas about cosmology, consciousness, chaotic systems, event horizons, void, black holes, entropy, thermodynamics, Big Bang, (I wonder how come you didn't throw String Theory into the pot), etc.

In order to have a fruitful discussion on these topics and how they relate to each other, one must possess strong background (at least doctorate) in traditional modern physics and be able to work with related mathematical apparati (that require a doctorate on their own), be a philosopher, and have thorough knowledge of esoteric concepts and be aware of the planes of existence other than physical. There may be a handful of such people on this planet, and I'm not one of them (are you? If yes, I humbly ask you to direct me to your list of published books/articles). It makes me laugh and cry when I see people start Cosmological speculations having taken college Physics I/II and read some Hawking [:o)]. As such, I'm not qualified to rebut your statements so I humbly shut up.

P.S. Sorry for the OT.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: GhostRider on October 15, 2003, 21:39:51
alt0xff wrote, "In order to have a fruitful discussion on these topics and how they relate to each other, one must possess strong background (at least doctorate) in traditional modern physics and be able to work with related mathematical apparati (that require a doctorate on their own), be a philosopher, and have thorough knowledge of esoteric concepts and be aware of the planes of existence other than physical. There may be a handful of such people on this planet, and I'm not one of them (are you? If yes, I humbly ask you to direct me to your list of published books/articles"

  While that it is an important point to bring up Alt, (and I hate to play devil's advocate), but one of the current leading star-boys in all of physics right now (and a controversial one at that) is a guy who only finished a few years of physics then went his own way.  But because he was so brilliant (or so damn different, I'm not qualified to judge...) the physics community right now is split pretty much 50/50 on whether this kid is just full of excrement or another Einstein... He has a new theory of time by the way...

  All I'm saying Alt, is great ideas often come from left field, you should extrapolate what you need and discard the rest untill someone wiser or luckier than you comes by to correct you (either intentionally or accidentally).  So even if he had those credentials, I'm not sure they'd make it easier to handle for you.

 I don't know if Cerial N falls in the smart or smartass category, but enough of what he said sounded spot on that maybe something in it makes sense, then again, I could be grasping at straws.
 



Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: electricdreamer on October 15, 2003, 22:49:12
while on the subject of physics, I must say I prefer the very simple version, as illustrated in "Horton Hears a Who" by the infamous Dr. Suess-it is simple but grand-everything is within everything and we are all but a spec in something larger than our imaginations could fathom....


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Ceriel N on October 16, 2003, 09:14:01
I need an academic degree to use my brain?

Smart or smartass, it doesn't matter much to me. All I'm interested in is finding the truth, and have been doing so for... about 7 to 8 years.
So that means quite a lot of time and effort put on research. I've been through physics to philosophy and from there to academics, realizing that each of these groups are simply centered on different perspectives while the truth crosses all boundaries. When they get an important question they look a bit cornered up and then go "That's not my field.", or in the case of a physicist at CERN "Your theory is just as good as mine."

All in all my quest has brought me from a complete materialistic point of view to... here. A place where people leave their bodies to explore psychadelic realities, chat with aliens and practice magick. Now I'm trying to learn how to do all this in order to continue my quest for truth.  

What I think is true is of little relevance; truth exists independent of me. Therefore I will not claim to ever speak Truth, but rather trying to explain something best of my ability.
Man knows too little to afford to discard the smallest grain of knowledge, so for me to claim something that I know nothing about to be true or false would simply be absurd. What I can do is apply logic to a set of axioms (self-evident facts) and see if the new piece of knowledge fits in with it. If it doesn't I won't claim that it is false, just state that I do not know if it is true.

That is what I base my previous posts on, which I for one think is a hell of a lot more convincing than an academic degree.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: shaman on October 16, 2003, 13:57:27
Hey guys, sorry to fall in the middle like that...

Well the philospher is the one who knows a little bit of everything and the specialist scientist is the one who knows (almost) everything of a little bit. So sure if you want to look for an answer to philosphical questions you need to learn a little of everything, and it is not the one who knows everything about one field of study who will have the answer. Everyone has actually a piece of the puzzle, and the philospher is kind of trying to put the pieces together, without knowing what is that piece from/for ..etc...

As to chaos, there is the mathematical chaos, or even in the laws of PHysics. that's when there is no analytical solution to a problem, such as the problem of 3 bodies moving under their gravitational pull. Othere physical equations are what is called in math non linear and therefore they also can lead to chaos, which means that the motion and position of what we are looking at is impredictable (or predictable for only a very short time), such as the wheather, the shape of the clouds, boiling water, ... all these in the physics of fluids (gas, liquid) are called turbulence. Chaos is a whole field of study in math and physics.

Back to the void, you could say it is a place where there is  no matter and no space... but what do you mean by beyond the event horizon...? Mathematically speaking the equations are tricky there, they are what we call singular. And the physicists make a transformation to avoid the singularity, which mathematically invalidates the equations... so none really knows for sure. For us, who are observers from outside it takes an infinite time for anything falling on a black hole to reach the event horizon, which means it will never happen. Even the late Professor Emeritus Nathan Rosen (who did his Ph D with Einstein and is famous for the Einstein Polodovsky Rosen paradox in quantum physics - EPR) was claiming that we are outside and therefore there is not black hole out there, but only stars collapsing that are "tending" to be a black hole, and it will take an infinite time to complete the collapse of such a star. But it is easier to assume that there is a black hole (point singularity) there, as we do assume in astrophysics that stars a point mass for the purpose of studying their gravitational effect. So, I do not know what beyond the event horizon, and if you fall there the tidal forces will ript your body apart, and if (say) you go there while OBEing there I am not sure it will work since you do no have a mass and are not subject to gravitational forces in the astral.

As to cosmology and the theory of the big bang, yes people have been able to calculate what is happening in the first moment at the birth fo the universe/big bang, but I never heard any one say anything about what is "before" the big bang...  

And now back to the original posting of Leyla.
Be carefull Leyla that this guardian is not dangerous, as you know there are people who pretend to be "spirituel" and far from that (like the "babas" - if you see what I mean). Maybe you just don't need to meet that guy. And let us know if he is from the CIA or FBI... :)


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: WalkerInTheWoods on October 16, 2003, 13:59:13
The only relevence of a piece of paper is to look good on a resume and to impress other people. It is no guarantee that you retained any knowledge beyond being able to pass some tests. I can go to the library and learn everything that a doctor of mecicine, physics, or any other field knows. The only difference would be that I did not pay any money to learn and that I could not legally practice my knowledge on other people. It does not mean that they are smarter than I am, or Ceriel N.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Ceriel N on October 16, 2003, 15:32:57
Sorry about the off-topicness. =/

Let us assume that, for the duration of this example, by a miracle, we are indestructable.

Time, as far as an observer is concerned, does slow down around a black hole. However, someone falling into a black hole and looking away will see the exact opposite phenomena: namely the end of the universe. Approaching the event horizon, every star and galaxy would move at impossible speed towards you in what is termed "Big Crunch". After that... what? No cosmos to be aware of, nothing to be aware of; just nothingness. You would have no cncept of time, so the next thing you would be aware of can not be a part of the Void, and therefore the creation of a new universe is neccessary.
This same principle allows for an infinite number of cosmoses, alternate universes, multiverse, or whatever you would like to call them/it.

I base the main part of this on Descartes' "I think, therefore I am." which actually should have been "I am aware, therefore I am."


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: GhostRider on October 16, 2003, 18:02:39

 Ceriel N, I wasn't trying to dump on you when I made the 'Smart or smartass' commment.  I was merely trying to explain my position better that while I may not know what your true intentions are or what your real credentials are, that it's still important to pay attention for nuggets of truth and knowledge in what you say nonetheless.

 By the way, we should move these off-topic posts to a new thread... hmmm... what shall we call it, hmmm...?  "College Smarts vs. The Self Taught"
 
  I think both are valuable, but considering what this thread is really about, I feel almost that where the topic is heading, is a little too high-brow for it.  So allow my "Frasier-esque elitism" show...lol!  Moderator of this forum or thread or these posts... please move this conversation (at least where it split into something of academic value) over to a new thread?  Thank you.

Hmmm... I wonder if that'll work?


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Ceriel N on October 16, 2003, 18:22:25
Oh, I'm aware of it. No worries. [:)]
I was trying to imply that I separate my ego from the topic and argumenting about the topic alone. I was, however, a bit impatient at the time of writing, so I apologise if I sounded like I was snapping back.

I think the moderator can move the whole topic, but I'm not familiar with the software this board is running on, so it might be possible to move a portion of it.
Anyway, the new topic might be better suited under Metaphysics than here.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: wantsumrice on October 31, 2003, 13:11:40
so what was the end result of all this?! the suspense is killing me...(or maybe i missed it in pages 3 and 4...


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: GhostRider on November 07, 2003, 06:18:33

 Maybe it's because I'm from the same city as the lady who's posted this thread "Gaurdian, where are you?"  But I'm real damn curious as to what's happened so far?  Please, update us please?  We're worried you know...and we'd be more than happy to know it worked out for you... so please update us...?


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: SpectralDragon on March 30, 2004, 18:43:53
quote:
Originally posted by Ceriel N

I take it you seek an explanation rather than answer, yes?

Okay, I assume you dislike the connection between Chaos and Void, as most people do. (Correct me if I'm wrong.)

The void is not a place, a tangible thing or empty space. It is what doesn't exist. It's what's on the other side of the Event Horizon.
Concider what would happend if you dropped into a black hole. Your consciousness is an immortal principle, so it would not be effected much. However, your mind and body, governed by law, would disperse. You'd lack all sense impressions and ability to think...
The next thing you'd be conscious of is a proverbial Big Bang; the creation of a cosmos, and with it; everything.
This is how Cosmos stems from the Void, and the link from the void to chaos is quite simple: Lack of Law. In the void there is no Law, no patern, no nothing, yet it is from this that all we've ever experienced comes from.

Chaos, the phenomena, is potential brough under Law, such as the sea of energy bubbling in vacuum. As such it is not true Chaos, but rather randomness.



Ceriel, me and you could have very interesting conversations about that [:D]

Leyla, I am going to PM some personal Q's I think you should ask him. If he is a guardian in the way I am thinking then he will answer if you press him enough on it.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Hephaestus on March 30, 2004, 20:40:44
This whole thing happened over 4 months ago, do we even know if Leyla still visits the board? [?]


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Blackstream on March 30, 2004, 20:42:53
Seeing as it's been almost 6 months SD since the start of this post, I'm pretty sure they've either set off to their seperate ways, or have become best pals by now ;)


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Renaisance on March 31, 2004, 05:09:54
hey leyla,  that's a really weird experience and I have no idea what to make of it. Just be really carefull handling it. Try doing what he said to see if that makes the dreams go away. If it doesn't work I think you have your answer right there. If you call him do it from a pay phone or if you email him do it from a library computer. Above all be careful and go by your gut. You should never agree to meet this guy by alone.

Renaisance


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Hephaestus on April 01, 2004, 11:43:34
quote:
Originally posted by Blackstream

Seeing as it's been almost 6 months SD since the start of this post, I'm pretty sure they've either set off to their seperate ways, or have become best pals by now ;)



Or she's been cooked alive in a stew pot and he's eaten her.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Blackstream on April 01, 2004, 15:46:26
Well I know that didn't happen because of her Baby post where she changed the title to "Ranting teen boy has taken this over, please ignore" where she asked everyone that was psychic to tell her stuff about if she should have a baby or not.


Title: "Guardian" are you here???
Post by: Leyla on October 07, 2003, 03:06:48
I wake up depressed after having a reoccurring nightmare but go to work anyway.
Once there, I am approached by an immense, bald, scary looking black man.
"Let me ask you a question..."
He begins to describe my nightmare in detail then tells me how to make it go away.
"Let me ask you another question"
He describes my out of body experiences, including places I've gone and things I've seen.
By this time the blood has drained from my face, I'm covered in goosebumps and can only whisper "Who are you?"
He hands me a plain white business card reading "Guardian."
It has a phone number on it. It sits on my living room table now.
I'm curious but afraid to call it. I don't mean to come off all paranoid but what if he's government or military?
So I asked him to meet me here.
Sorry for leading him to this site, but for all I know he may have found me from this site in the first place.

Guardian, are you here?