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I tend to believe that as well. But it makes you think how did the first larger species ever in our physical universe came to be.

I would say they were "manufactured" as well. As I have seen and am still seeing our Earth isn't the only School that "they" created. Trial and error would have taught the ones in charge what works and what doesn't. Each classification of animals has shown us that they do serve a purpose. That definitely includes our underwater/Aquatic friends!  

Humanity that we see today was not the result of "natural" evolution. We were let's say "manufactured". According to what Dr. Michio Kaku believes, we have been "dumbed down" through the years.  

I tend to believe that as well. But it makes you think how did the first larger species ever in our physical universe came to be. I understand microbes have the conditions of water, air and other elements and can spring to existence quicker, but I think natural evolution does exist  within the physical world. Adaptation, environment changes changes the attributes of different species. It's interesting to think how exactly manifestation from the NP happens to the physical. Something I do not entirely understand.

In my experience diet, lifestyle and energy availability are definite factors...intent or “need” can often overcome these obstacles, but not always, nor without our noticing the energy expenditure.

I agree. Although we want to "control" everything on some level, some things seem beyond our control. Sometimes we just have to take our medicine and like it!

If people die off, there is no other way of having another reasoning type of creature by natural evolution. It has to be external interference and planting new types of humans here on Earth. Hopefully a notch up by intellect and moral values.

Humanity that we see today was not the result of "natural" evolution. We were let's say "manufactured". According to what Dr. Michio Kaku believes, we have been "dumbed down" through the years.  

I am in agreement with LB along certain lines here: Maybe while still incarnated within Physical Reality we are subject to various and sometimes debilitating conditions when recovering from Non Physical experiences. The causes can be diet, available energy (energy work), translation difficulties or simply the condition of being based in PR while undergoing the likely taxing NPR experiences such as the “Lifer” experiences Lu describes. Simply put, the NPR can wear us out at certain times.

In my experience diet, lifestyle and energy availability are definite factors...intent or “need” can often overcome these obstacles, but not always, nor without our noticing the energy expenditure.

Just a couple ideas

Don't get me wrong I too awaken revitalized and energized after having LDs. It's these "Lifer" episodes that seem so taxing.

 Where it comes to proper diet, I didn't eat anything any heavier than the previous days. MJ and I eat quitter healthy. We always have a good daily intake of our fruit and veggies. We watch our carb intake as well. So in this case I can rule that out.

Ah, then this is a special case I don't know why would it cause this. Try asking for energizing next time to see if this command will change anything.

By the way, I have seen these Life after People shows. Very interesting, but kind of depressing. If people die off, there is no other way of having another reasoning type of creature by natural evolution. It has to be external interference and planting new types of humans here on Earth. Hopefully a notch up by intellect and moral values.

I'm actually the opposite. I feel very energized/excited during the day after LDs/APs even long and intense ones. As far as consciousness sleeping, I don't know. I have experienced many times, peaceful environments, where I just observe the stillness and it felt very relaxing and rejuvenating. I think tiredness is an attribute to physical vehicles. I have experienced many times the same thing over and over with my physical body and state of mind. When I eat whatever, the typical American diet, I feel tired, fatigued, urge to take naps, waking up drowsy. When I eat less carbs and definitely gluten free and very little dairy, lots of vegetables, I only need 5 hours of sleep. I wake up very early in the morning and as soon as I open my eyes I am totally awake, fresh and ready to go. No fatigue, no tiredness at all. I even have more APs when I watch what I eat, which is most of the time. I only fall off the wagon around holidays and I really feel the difference including significant  decrease in LDs and APs. So, I think our physical bodies impose many limitations and we cant even imagine what would be like to never have have the need to sleep.

Don't get me wrong I too awaken revitalized and energized after having LDs. It's these "Lifer" episodes that seem so taxing.

 Where it comes to proper diet, I didn't eat anything any heavier than the previous days. MJ and I eat quite healthy. We always have a good daily intake of our fruit and veggies. We watch our carb intake as well. So in this case I can rule that out.

 Have you ever had this happen to you? When you awaken in the morning totally exhausted and drained from a night filled with LDs? Do you believe consciousness itself ever sleeps? I believe there is good reason that most of us never remember our Dreams or even experience LDs. It's because the "mind" itself does need a period of inactivity and rest. This drowsiness I have today isn't the drowsiness you just feel upon awaking in the morning as normal. It feels more like being totally "burned out" and depleted!

I'm actually the opposite. I feel very energized/excited during the day after LDs/APs even long and intense ones. As far as consciousness sleeping, I don't know. I have experienced many times, peaceful environments, where I just observe the stillness and it felt very relaxing and rejuvenating. I think tiredness is an attribute to physical vehicles. I have experienced many times the same thing over and over with my physical body and state of mind. When I eat whatever, the typical American diet, I feel tired, fatigued, urge to take naps, waking up drowsy. When I eat less carbs and definitely gluten free and very little dairy, lots of vegetables, I only need 5 hours of sleep. I wake up very early in the morning and as soon as I open my eyes I am totally awake, fresh and ready to go. No fatigue, no tiredness at all. I even have more APs when I watch what I eat, which is most of the time. I only fall off the wagon around holidays and I really feel the difference including significant  decrease in LDs and APs. So, I think our physical bodies impose many limitations and we cant even imagine what would be like to never have have the need to sleep.

 After another successful journey to this place, (that makes 7 days in a row now), I was just left contemplating in the peaceful quiet of the 3D dark zone, aka "the Void".

 I had so many questions about this new place, like "could this be this Earth here after man has for some reason has become extinct, due to a number of circumstances that could occur, like disease, disaster, our own failings, etc."?

 I watched a great Documentary years ago called "Life After People'. The premise of the Documentary was to show how all we have created a built would turn back to dust and once again be consumed by the nature and wildlife that we stole it from. The first time period was 10 days after man. Then they began to leap into years and years later. Their opinions and conclusions came via Architects, Archeologists, Climatologists and basically Scientific knowledge itself. It basically showed that nearly all evidence of our civilization would disappear. There would still be a few "Artifacts" left over. We all see how the Pyramids have incredible longevity. I would hope all of our "Nuclear waste" has been neutralized by then!  

 It's really hard to judge the size of anything there. Viewing it from the a point of consciousness doesn't really give me anything to compare it to. Everything could larger or even smaller than it currently is on this planet at the moment.

 I have seen a lot of nature, like trees, plants, grass, etc. and a like I said some form of animal. I have also seen waterfalls and vast bodies of water. Whether they are Oceans or lakes is hard to tell. I still can't do Flybys. I'm sure these animals have a purpose though, just like all animals here and the past extinct ones did. I have always believed that the Dinosaurs were utilized for the "fertilization" that they created. When that was no longer needed, neither were they and they became extinct. I believe that every animal suits a purpose here, even those pesky Mosquitoes, lol!
Human ego believes that all this was created just for us but they are sorely mistaken. You see this play out all the time when we make our decisions.

 Now to the Beings of Light. They look eerily familiar to what the Russian Cosmonauts witnessed in space aboard their Space Station back in 1984.
Here's a link to that:
https://www.techeblog.com/mind-blowing-story-of-russian-cosmonauts-who-saw-angels-in-space/

 I was trying to find something to compare their appearance with and this was the closest I could get. When the Cosmonauts told of their experience with what they saw, it was immediately ridiculed as a Hallucination caused by fatigue from being in space so long or it could have been a brief change in their Oxygen. Even the fact that all of them saw the same thing was explained away as a shared Hallucination, which the Scientists and Researchers said is something that supposedly does occur.

 I didn't see any wings on these Beings. But I haven't seen them fly or even move period. They do have a glowing luminescence to them though. Their arms and legs appear to be "spindly" They just seem to be there observing me as I am observing them. I  can't even have a blinking contest with them to see who blinks first, lol!   They don't have any facial features at all, that I can see. I did attempt today to "filter" my own visual perception of this place. I used a red visual filter in a lame attempt to get a "infra red" kind of appearance. I then changed it to green and lastly blue. Like I said I love exploring and learning new things!  

 On last thing that is kind off topic. Today I am incredibly sluggish due to a night full of LDs. I can't remember what the premise of these experiences were. I do know though that they seem to have been continuations experiences, akin to "Lifer" experiences I had in the past. I call a "Lifer" a night full of LDs where you get brief little click ins and outs. When you return or click back in, you find that everything has "aged", including yourself.
 Have you ever had this happen to you? When you awaken in the morning totally exhausted and drained from a night filled with LDs? Do you believe consciousness itself ever sleeps? I believe there is good reason that most of us never remember our Dreams or even experience LDs. It's because the "mind" itself does need a period of inactivity and rest. This drowsiness I have today isn't the drowsiness you just feel upon awaking in the morning as normal. It feels more like being totally "burned out" and depleted!

Im looking forward to many more journeys but from what you both say the training grounds is a good place to learn plenty, this i shall do.

Eh ill have to look for a book etc with real tales of astral journeys that travelers have had.

I share quite a few of my experiences in my "Doorway" thread. There you can find can also find links to experiences I had when I was just new to this practice. At that time, my name here on the Astral Pulse was "Lionheart".

 I really enjoy the experiences where I seem to find myself in the same destination repeatedly day after day. Right now I am experiencing one of those. I find that I usually only get so much time in one scenario because sooner or later the "well will run dry" and when it does, I just move onto the next one!

 The Astral Island focus is one that I started to use that I really enjoyed. With that, I begin by visualizing and creating a intent to see a sandy beach. That soon opens to a whole Island like paradise. With my recent "New Earth" scenario, I am only visualizing a simple rainbow like bridge that is anchored here in this physical realm. I see it bridging outward into the ether and just follow it leads me to. At no time am I focusing on seeing this "New Earth". I just keep arriving there though.

 I use visualization quite a bit to "prime the pump". But when the scenario begins to take on it's own life, as in morphs to something new, I just take a back seat and observe until I find it's time to react to it. Patience is always rewarded!