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 on: September 19, 2014, 22:46:16 
Started by paul72 - Last post by Kzaal
That's the "science" perspective... that you change something (DNA) to illicit an effect.

From the MBT perspective, you've changed your perspective, so your physical body is modified to support that change.

Interesting thought, eh?  Kind of reverse science.  LoL

lol yeah, it would really be something if we could evolve physically just by thinking about it rofl.

 22 
 on: September 19, 2014, 22:20:34 
Started by paul72 - Last post by Xanth
I've watched that kind of stuff on youtube except the guy was talking about DNA mutation and that you could change your DNA by visualizing new strands and stuff like that and that there was a way with a precise frequency to add more chromosomes to your body. Enhancing your abilities and rejuvenating your body.
It was really interesting!
That's the "science" perspective... that you change something (DNA) to illicit an effect.

From the MBT perspective, you've changed your perspective, so your physical body is modified to support that change.

Interesting thought, eh?  Kind of reverse science.  LoL

 23 
 on: September 19, 2014, 21:55:04 
Started by paul72 - Last post by Kzaal
I've watched that kind of stuff on youtube except the guy was talking about DNA mutation and that you could change your DNA by visualizing new strands and stuff like that and that there was a way with a precise frequency to add more chromosomes to your body. Enhancing your abilities and rejuvenating your body.
It was really interesting!

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 on: September 19, 2014, 21:34:05 
Started by paul72 - Last post by paul72
Well funnily enough I'm 42 but most people think I'm 30! Although this does run in the family. smiley

I don't actually use the visualisation for staying young anymore. Im getting older and eventually my body will give up. But this exercise is great for stress. So wanted to share.

 25 
 on: September 19, 2014, 20:55:46 
Started by fromromania - Last post by fromromania
So, I tried to AP before I went to bed for about 10 minutes, I got tired and went to sleep, put some music on and closed my eyes. Then I had a dream where I was trying to astral project, just staying in my bed with my eyes closed. But my body started getting numb all over, my left leg was moving on its own and I got scared, tried to get up but my body felt so drained of energy. Managed to get up on my ass and I just couldn't stay that way, my eyes were closing on their own and I would fall back in my bed with the same numb sensation in my body, after that I started having a normal dream which turned into a nightmare later on.
The strangest thing about this is that I could hear the song that was playing while "trying to AP" all the time, but as soon as another dream started I couldn't hear it anymore. Also, my eyes were closed all the time and all I could see was black (except the part where I slightly opened my eyes for a second) , after the other dream started I could see again.

Also, the first dream seemed like it was real, like I really was trying to astral project. Not like the other dreams where you just go with the flow

 26 
 on: September 19, 2014, 20:15:28 
Started by paul72 - Last post by Xanth
And if Tom Campbell's MBT is correct... doing your visualization will also keep you relatively young looking.  Smiley

 27 
 on: September 19, 2014, 19:59:43 
Started by paul72 - Last post by paul72
A long time ago I read something from what at the time I thought was hippy rubbish (I was young and silly). It stuck with me and I use it every day.

It was a visualisation exercise that is supposed to keep the body and mind young. I've changed it slightly as it's easier for me to visualise.

Imagine yourself looking at your own image. Imagine the image gets bigger and bigger and your focal point gets smaller and smaller until you can see your cells and DNA. Imagine that the DNA is white but there are little bits of dark colours within the strands that represent your ageing body (or damaged/deseased bits of your body) Imagine that the white parts of the DNA are glowing brighter and brighter and they rejuvinate that dark ones which brings your body to perfect health and harmony as they should be.

I actually found that this visualisation makes me feel very relaxed and at ease. When I have been at my most stressed I've found that this is a great way to feel better and manage to cope with whatever the situation is.

That is all.

 28 
 on: September 19, 2014, 17:08:34 
Started by Daece - Last post by Daece
That makes a whole lot of sense, thanks for clearing that up! Smiley


" However, don’t let the “just” fool you… what most people consider a “dream”, as I mentioned above, doesn’t exist. There is no such fundamental experience called a “dream”. There is only you experiencing the non-physical unknowingly!"

Yes I agree, I've read many of your threads about the dangers of labeling experiences.  It's sometimes good to label though because it gets to a point where if you didn't, words would fail.  Anyways, a "dream" is essentially no different from an AP?  It's all non-physical?  I'm way beyond thinking that dreams are inside our heads, but the dynamics of dreams seem so much different than AP's.  I haven't had a projection yet, but I have had quite a few lucid dreams, and from what I've read they seem so different in dynamics.

 29 
 on: September 19, 2014, 17:05:33 
Started by Edward - Last post by Edward
Yup!  Exactly.  Sometimes, the most enlightened thing we can say is simply:  I do not know.

Also, from what you've said above... you've got a great base from which to work from.  Smiley

Thank you for saying. I've had some very strange OBEs (probably quite common, but strange to me). I'm looking forward to learning more about  how to induce them. I need to take some time to really peruse this forum.

 30 
 on: September 19, 2014, 16:56:46 
Started by Edward - Last post by Xanth
I think that is so true. And I guess as I get ready to turn 50 next week, I've come to a really big place in my life: I'm okay with saying I don't understand something.

I no longer feel like I have to know the truth about things that no one understands. I mean like when it comes to God for me, I'm okay with saying I think He exists, but I don't think I am capable of comprehending what He is.

When it comes to consciousness, I'm okay with saying I think everything is a monistic whole with the illusion of duality. I don't have to understand how that paradox works.

And when it comes to whether I will exist after I die, I'm okay with it going either way. After all, we are constantly changing and so what we are is constantly dying. That little unchanging observer in my head that watches the rest of me think, that thing I consider to be the "self" that I'm pretty sure isn't dependent on my living body, I don't know what it is or understand it any better than I do God or consciousness--or gravity or dark energy for that matter.

I just don't have all the answers, and I can't go around fooling myself or trying to fool others that I do, and that's a big personal growth step for me.

Yup!  Exactly.  Sometimes, the most enlightened thing we can say is simply:  I do not know.

Also, from what you've said above... you've got a great base from which to work from.  Smiley

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