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 on: January 16, 2017, 17:00:41 
Started by obe4life - Last post by Xanth
This was a dream-initiated lucid dream OR a lucid dream inside a normal dream OR a multi-layered dream, whatever you think fits. This was my first time to experience something similar, and I have to admit it's truly confusing!
The most concise "label" would be a dream initiated lucid dream.  You simply became aware while non-physical.

In other words... it was a Projection.  Smiley  Congrats. 

 on: January 16, 2017, 14:22:50 
Started by obe4life - Last post by obe4life
Hi every body. Just wanted to share an unusual experience I had. I was sleeping as normal, losing awareness completely. I started to dream and I was lying in a bed in my parents' house (which exists in real world). My wife and daughter were lying beside me in the same bed. I closed my eyes and decided to attempt an OBE or a LD while lying on my back in the bed. I relaxed and closed my eyes and i started to feel the symptoms of an exit/separation. I floated over the bed and looked downward and saw my wife and daughter just as I left them few minutes ago. I felt fully aware and focused. I looked forward and saw the hall of my parent's house. I floated forward and headed low to the floor. I looked at my hands and saw them clearly and they were too physical to the touch. I kept rolling my eyes around and everything looked so real and vivid. I noticed a small black plastic piece on the floor. It was like a piece left out of a broken toy. I decided to grab it with my left hand and take it with me back to the "second physical"-will explain later. I then floated upward again and headed to the bed and I looked down but I didn't see my self, just saw my wife and daughter. I moved downward to the place I supposed my "second physical body" was lying in. I kept my left hand firm over the black plastic piece and shifted all my focus on it. I was starting to "wakeup" from that "sub-lucid dream" to the "normal dream environment". I felt the plastic piece fading gradually, as if it's disappearing or evaporating. I "woke up" and went out of the bed and saw the hall of my parent's house just as I left it in the "sub-lucid dream" but the only one difference was that my older sister was setting with two teenage girls (one was her daughter maybe and the other girl is unknown to me). And then suddenly every thing went blurry and the view was just black. I started to feel my "real physical awareness" and real surroundings. I opened my eyes and I was in my bed at my apartment wth my wife beside me.
This was a dream-initiated lucid dream OR a lucid dream inside a normal dream OR a multi-layered dream, whatever you think fits. This was my first time to experience something similar, and I have to admit it's truly confusing!
Comments and opinions are welcome of course Smiley

 on: January 16, 2017, 12:05:57 
Started by phaseshiftR1111 - Last post by Bloodshadow
well seeing as the vid is gone, can someone who has done the technique explain it in depth please this post really interested me, and I want to try it, my comprehending is terrible which is why I asked for in depth step by step explanation thanks

 on: January 16, 2017, 10:43:46 
Started by phaseshiftR1111 - Last post by EscapeVelocity
If the link is gone, then the link is gone.

If you read back through the thread then you can put most of it together; LightBeam, Lionheart, Bedeekin and others added the essential details. This is primarily an early morning, post-sleep method where you search for the proper consciousness/awareness/framework of mind that is conducive to an "exit". It is fairly elusive, given my own experience...I only know it when I see it...

I think this form takes some prior experience...that way, when it appears (sometimes almost providentially) it is very see it, and jump at the chance (like I have described in some of my experiences)...

For those readers seeking techniques, please search the first and third boards in the highlighted BLUE threads; much to read there. grin

 on: January 16, 2017, 10:14:25 
Started by Riddle - Last post by EscapeVelocity
Hi Riddle,

Like Xanth says, congrats and a good description of an early projection. It's not the basic RTZ version; it had a little of other worlds involved.

You described well the varying nature of consciousness/awareness that can occur and the kind of mental contortions that can ensue. This is a good first step in realizing how different your NP awareness and rationalization can exist within a projection. With further experiences, a kind of consolidation of thinking/reacting occurs but other, more intriguing questions will present themselves, which requires further evolution, and will throw you sideways many times (what fun!); it becomes an exciting stretch and exercise of the mind.

The nature and quality of the projection seems dependent on any number of things: Your health, your state of consciousness (drugs/alcohol), your mood/attitude, amount of rest...add any number of other factors...the idea of "Intent" for any particular experience soon becomes fairly relevant...something to think about.

Laying down/sitting for meditation in order to project is like the most difficult thing to do, at least for me, and what I read of most others. The rest of us have to do it through LDs or some form of napping or WBTB techniques such as you described. The only problem with this is when some form of Sleep Paralysis intrudes. That's not to say SP is bad; I actually like it when it occurs, because I usually understand what is happening. Problem is...all sorts of auditory and visual hallucinations can occur...and they can be takes some repeated exposures to learn how to handle them, and I will admit, they still catch me out from time to time. Maybe they are just part of the personal, natural SP terrain and background. Maybe they are some form of NP/Astral test; IDK, but they still occur for me from time to time (and honestly, I do feel that I am experienced enough that if these SP horrifics are still occurring for me, then they must be some kind of automatic thing...kind of like my house alarm going off if I don't hit the keypad soon enough...).

I think that the most difficult idea about the SP phenomenon is to understand that it is not just audio/visual hallucinations you have to deal with; the worst and more subtle threat is the "feeling" aspect, the "sense" of EVIL and Darkness and Hostility that you can feel directed towards you.  When you experience this for the first few times, you have NO DOUBT that the Devil or some equivalent Evil force has targeted you for is quite simply, that powerful. The first few times, I forced myself awake in a near-screaming panic. It took ten-plus years and a few more episodes before I realized that if it was going to kill me, then it would have already. So I finally began to change my perspective about it, and to find a way to come to terms with it. Eventually I realized it was also one available entry-point to Projection.

Riddle, the "black presence", the "dark entity"...I can't say for sure, because ultimately, this is your experience...but I strongly suggest this is a SP energetic phenomenon...a thought-form some might say, that is from your own subconscious...I have had plenty of my, don't get fixated on it and be happy that you had a really cool NP experience and you are learning from it!  Many of the early experiences start out doggy and foggy...that's ok. Nicely done! 5 stars!

 on: January 16, 2017, 07:41:12 
Started by phaseshiftR1111 - Last post by NeophyteExplorer
Can someone explain the method? The video is GONE!

 on: January 16, 2017, 04:21:56 
Started by Riddle - Last post by Xanth
in the process of it it felt more like me being aware of my surroundings in a dream
Congratulations, you just described a projection.  Smiley

 on: January 15, 2017, 21:07:21 
Started by lllClarkylll - Last post by lllClarkylll
Hi I just thought I'd share this with everyone on here.  For anyone who has a VR headset such as the SamsungGear, Oculus Rift or HTC Vive or alternatively you can visit and use 2D mode on a normal pc screen using keyboard and mouse which is what I'm using till I get a headset.. there are monthly meetings that take place on AltspaceVR where you can meet up in virtual reality.  The next one is on the 29th January.   I've not been to one yet as I'm new to AltspaceVR but I'll definitely be attending these in the future and hope to see anyone there who's interested.

 on: January 15, 2017, 17:03:09 
Started by Riddle - Last post by Riddle
I may have experienced something like AP today, but I kind of doubt it because, although it began in a sleep paralysis, in the process of it it felt more like me being aware of my surroundings in a dream. It didn't even feel fully awake like in normal sleep paralyses, it was more sleepy. After the really vague and fogged sleep paralysis I found myself like a 'ghost' in my old quarter and I tried to fly there. I thought of my physical body and I wondered whether anything could attack it but I thought naah I'm guarding it safe in my bed now. There was a completely black presence around me that does not appear for the first time, any idea what this dark entity could be??
 But it was more like as if I had experienced a dream that imitates AP. What do you think it was?

 on: January 15, 2017, 10:31:40 
Started by aeterne sour - Last post by Astralsuzy
Also ap in the morning does not help at all I just cant concentrate. The only way for me to attempt such things is late at night after 12 for some reason.
Thank you guys in advance
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Trying to ap late at night you are likely to fall asleep as you are tired.    It is best to try to ap at other times when you are not as tired.   
Practicing concentration is a good idea as it will help you ap in the mornings.   

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