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 31 
 on: Today at 05:41:49 
Started by Stillwater - Last post by Newoldsoul
What a cantastic beautiful experience and thank you for sharing it with us!

 32 
 on: Today at 04:14:36 
Started by Stillwater - Last post by Stillwater
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Despite all this development, I can't say I know much. The path of "enlightenment" as some like call it, feels less like a confident stride and more a bumbling through the dark with my pants on my head. Am I getting somewhere? It feels like it, but I don't know.

I know the feeling. I have come so far, but there is so much in front of me. I want to help others, but I don't know that I actually know enough not to mislead them. I am certainly no authority.


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I've been working on this and I'm having some trouble with the "stop all thoughts part". I often get into the these trances on walks, but its often broken by some barreling thought train. But man...when you do hit that sweet spot. Its likes seeing the world through a child's eyes for the first time. Its breath-taking...you wonder how you've never seen it that way before?

For me, it comes very easily. It is less something I have to try (so the "stop thoughs completely, almost" might be a bit confusing), and more something that just happens. If you play a musical instrument, I am sure you will get the next bit: the only instrument I ever learned to play somewhat well was the piano. And part of playing well is to play without effort. It is about doing something until it becomes unconscious memory, and your body just knows what to do with minimal input from your conscious mind. It just sort of falls out of your fingers because they know what to do. I think that state of mind is about being there so often, and for such a large part of your day, that it becomes a default state.


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As for meditation, I'm working myself to a consistent 15-20 minutes a day. I'm no where NEAR 2-3 hours of trance but that sounds simply joyful. Attention is such a fickle beast.

Oh, it doesn't have to be 2-3 hours a day, or even 2-3 hours a week. Eventually, the meditative state is something that spills over into your life, and you find less need to actually sit down for it. The concept here though is that when you can get to the point where 3 hours of sitting (or lying down) is exhilerating rather than boring, you are probably already there.

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For a long time I suffered from pretty low confidence, and was in denial about it. I tried to maintain an "image" of me being a smoother more socially adept person then I really was, which gave my critical mind a field day when I failed to measure up.

It might please you to note then that I am as socially awkward as they come. Being socially accepted is a matter of understanding certain social conventions, and then learning to respect the social conventions of the group you would like to be accepted into. I guess I would say that I don't have so much concern for how I am perceived- to me how I feel is more important than how I am seen (and that is nice, because it allows a person to be fairly uninhibited); to any observer, I am probably fairly bizzare in my mannerisms! A funny walk... maintains eye-contact way too long...hangs out with homeless people(they are some of the only people who will connect with a stranger on a profoundly personal level)...I guess I must look like a hipster on anti-depressants, lol. You have to learn not to try to impress others by knowing the right secret handshakes. You might be surprised how much the outward traits of being dis-interested in all of that will still be noticed, and how many people will still connect well with you. Very few people are their true self in public. They don't want to make a scene, and they want to be accepted by those around them. When you actually are (your actual, un-modified self)... some people will be disgusted, and some people will connect to it instantly. And impressing the sort of people who demand a rigid set of pre-determined qualities in the people they interact with isn't worth your time or your worry.

I think you get it though. Not loving yourself will only hold you back, because you will feel unworthy. It isn't about narcissism, it is about being comfortable with yourself.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdxrstnZo4E

"The Mole is an animal that digs tunnels underground. In search of the sun, it sometimes comes to the surface. When it sees the Sun, it is blinded."

 cheesy cheesy cheesy

 33 
 on: Today at 02:50:14 
Started by Stillwater - Last post by Condiments
Advice I could give for getting into that primed state... would sound off the wall probably.

You would be asking yourself... is this a New Age manifesto?

When I read a lot of literature about chakras, etc... (leaving my views on what these may or may not be asside), it is clear to me that I didn't fully get most of it until now, despite having felt many "chakra sensations" in the past. This is sort of the attitude you would have to look at this stuff with... you won't get it until you are already there. That sounds like a cop-out, but so much of this happens by accident...

Nothing about this sounds to "New Age-ish" to me, though that may be because I'm now one within the fold without realizing it. Its like you said though, so much of this experience sounds like "fluff" until you actually experience it. I myself am experiencing what is typically associated with "chakras", and I didn't know a wit about them before I started experiencing symptoms. My first few meditation sessions and I had wonderful sensations spread across my brow and the crown of my skull. I thought it was just awesome side-effects of the practice until I started to feel more all across my body. Even now as I'm typing this I feel my legs buzzing/humming, a tense tingling in my brow, and a fuzziness across my hands. Despite all this development, I can't say I know much. The path of "enlightenment" as some like call it, feels less like a confident stride and more a bumbling through the dark with my pants on my head. Am I getting somewhere? It feels like it, but I don't know.

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Ok here it goes:

-Listen to music, and don't listen to the singer, but imagine you are the singer. Feel the person's emotions, feel the joy and the suffering behind what they sing, and feel it in your body as powerful waves. You must do this with no distractions at all, with meditative focus. You and they are the same, and you are sharing their life experiences that they are expressing. I don't mean this figuratively, I mean it literally. That might be hard to do, but it will help get you to this place relatively fast. The point is empathy, and empathy is both developed and experienced by having yourself experience what the other person or creature is feeling in the most direct way possible. By an accident of biology, humans are designed to experience empathy through voices (and consequently musical intervals) most easily. If you question it... consider, what is more emotional, a text chat or a phone conversation?

This is a very good point. This is a very good meditation to try for empathy given the emotional power of music. I have been feeling shifting energy movements throughout my body lately whenever I've been listening to tender music, and it drives to me tears often and easily. This didn't use to happen so often. I feel like emotional reserves are pouring out after being stone-walled by me for so long. This would be a good way to channel this energy in a positive way.

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-When you walk outside, you must stop your thoughts completely almost. There are trees, and wind, and clouds, and sky. They are magnificent things, and they envelop you and intoxicate you with their primal physicality if you invite them in.

I've been working on this and I'm having some trouble with the "stop all thoughts part". I often get into the these trances on walks, but its often broken by some barreling thought train. But man...when you do hit that sweet spot. Its likes seeing the world through a child's eyes for the first time. Its breath-taking...you wonder how you've never seen it that way before?

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-Change your relationship with your sexuality. Most people feel sexuality toward human adults, and sexual mental images, and this is very healthy and not at all detrimental. But there is a new way to experience this sexual energy... try experiencing it instead as bodily sensuality. Let this energy that is normally only felt for objects of sexual desire instead be transduced into feelings of joy at being immersed in the natural world, and a joy that you feel in your nerves and skin. If you can learn to experience the joy of seeing trees and clouds as a bodily excitement, this is another major step.

-Another extension of this is the transduction of sexual energy into love and compassion. Just as you can direct it into sensual joy for the physical world, that overflowing kind of energy can be re-directed into a kind of warmth you feel for others, and you badly want what is best for all other people and creatures at all times.

This is another good point. One great thing I've read about human sexuality, is how easily we externalize our deep desires onto a object. We often describe those attractive as "hot", as if they were a living fire warming us by their very presence. What we fail to realize is that all that person has done is awoken an image deep within, their "hotness" a mere catalyst that stokes the pyre within. The faces and personalities may change, but its always the same heat that moves within ourselves. Realizing this frees others from the image we tend to impress upon them, and allows us to enjoy them for who they are. And it seems like you've gone a step further and applied this energy towards the moving world itself. That is quite beautiful, and I could see how it would be progenitor of your experience.

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-Another strange way of building this vital force is athletic pursuit. For me, I think a kind of physical vitality and liveliness I developed as a result of running everyday for an hour. Remember I am a person who is highly sensual, so you can imagine how much energy and tension is built up in such a situation.

-Meditative pursuits- if you haven't already gotten there, learn the feeling of staying in trance for 2-3 hours, and being contented there. The above will help with this, and this will especially help with the above, conversely. Feel the joy of breathing in, and the joy of tension leaving your body as you exhale. This state is so relaxing and rewarding to experience on its own, you can comfortably spend hours in it, and it feels like time well-spent if you do it "correctly".

This is something I'm definitely working on. I'm at a healthy weight but I'm pretty lazy when it comes to working out. As for meditation, I'm working myself to a consistent 15-20 minutes a day. I'm no where NEAR 2-3 hours of trance but that sounds simply joyful. Attention is such a fickle beast.

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-Set your sights to the apex. You love yourself for what you are, but you constantly strive to become better, for the love of both yourself, and for those around you you can better love and serve. You do not accept failure or set-back- you defy them, and keep climbing. You know that every being has worth and value, and as such a being, you have an unquenchable longing to know the infinite and the creator, whatever that turns out to be for you, in your world view. You are a Christian? Then you can easily know this as Christ/ Father/Holy Spirit. Contemporary Spiritualist? Source. Hindu? Krishna / Brahman-Atman. Modern Secular-Humanist? The loving spirit of ethics and the grandeur of physical creation. It doesn't matter what you ascribe to, pretty much each worldview has a name for it, and you don't need to be a religious person to experience it, or to develop a deeper relationship with it.

For a long time I suffered from pretty low confidence, and was in denial about it. I tried to maintain an "image" of me being a smoother more socially adept person then I really was, which gave my critical mind a field day when I failed to measure up. It didn't help my group of high school friends were a bunch of jerks, but most are at that age. Learning to accept myself after all that as been a difficult journey despite many loving friends over the years. Its not their fault, outwardly I project the image of calm stillness, but my innate sensitivity to things allows me to be easily emotionally entangled. Its sometimes hard for me to even watch characters in movies in embarrassing situations because how much emphasize with them. Funny how I never made that same room for myself haha.

I've come a long way though and at least for now feel like it'll keep improving. Thank for the help and time. I'm glad you've found some measure of great peace in this world.

 34 
 on: Today at 02:49:49 
Started by Fwewyu Tomum - Last post by justin35ll
Thanks for sharing, good read. Sounds like fun!

 35 
 on: Yesterday at 23:33:46 
Started by Fwewyu Tomum - Last post by FireFly9
I second that.... Awesome.  Is your friend Matthew C. still alive in the physical?  If so then you would have put his face on one of the locals perhaps. 

I hope the 'next Thursday' proves to be productive so you can make your meeting with the female helper.

Cheers.

 36 
 on: Yesterday at 23:33:24 
Started by FireFly9 - Last post by EscapeVelocity
I have felt the same tension between those chakras; I think it is simply an indication that they are active and the source for powering up your projection, as opposed to many early projectors experiencing root/sacral excitation; so I think this is a good thing. More than that I don't know because, like you, when I've noticed it and tried to make use of it, I haven't been able to.

Maybe one of the others with more knowledge in this area can chime in and educate us both!

The 'pull' I was describing doesn't relate to the chakras, at least for me. This pull is more of an overall gravity kind of pull that occurs when a visualized scene has become so solid that it starts pulling me into the scene. I've gone too early and mentally stepped into the scene only to get bounced back. If I then wait half a minute longer for the scene to strengthen, I can usually pop right in.


 37 
 on: Yesterday at 23:17:13 
Started by FireFly9 - Last post by FireFly9
Thanks EV.  I appreciate the response, and I will do more of what you suggest to see if I can improve the hits.  When I went out through my feet last and sailed through the tunnel to what seemed like a railway station I forgot to mention that I did go about touching and feeling things to try to prolong the experience my bringing in my focus and attention better.  Next time I will engage the noticing as much as I can.  In this case I was already in the scene because I had reached the astral, but was doing that 'fish out of water' thing as Frank called it.

I really don't have much luck with the rundown process but focused attention IS a difficulty for me. Something I continue to work on. 

I have a question though about the 'pull'.  Often when I have been in my body numb state for a while and wavering on exiting, or sometimes even when I have been out and am attempting to get out again, I feel a strong pressure between the solar and heart chakras.  I have tried to utilize this pressure to get out but so far no luck.  Doesn't seem to matter if I just let it alone or if I try to exit there.  It does focus me back on the body, but it must be happening for some reason.  Any thoughts?


 38 
 on: Yesterday at 16:17:01 
Started by darksidessj25 - Last post by darksidessj25
Nice experience, you should know it's best to do as the locals do. The extra attention may be different from what you'd expect.
It's their world and it's best to fit in. The experience will last longer too.

That's true. I also had a very intense lucid dream last night as well. I was in a auditorium full of people and the guy was having a war against white people lol. He was on this huge stage giving a speech and I was in the back planning my escape when I pulled out a cell phone. The girl next to me was one of his followers and didn't call it out and just took my phone. Something came to the leaders attention and he brought his cousin to the stage and killed her for know reason. I got really upset and realized something, isn't right. This is wrong. After that I looked up at the light and wondered if this was a dream. I said light off. "aloud" then the light turned off! Then I got up and said Physics control enabled. Then I moved my hand and swung about 5 chairs against the wall and everyone looked at me like really did this guy just do this haha. After that I went to the stage and swung the leader accross the room. His followers pulled out their guns and I said invincibility enabled lol. So funny. Then I shot the bullets back at them like neo. After that I everone proceded outside and this girl was there. She said thank you. I then said it's okay, your all me. And I love you all. The swat team pulled up just like in inception. It was bonking bad ass. I think my mind might of freaked out cause I had a very high level of lucidity.

 39 
 on: Yesterday at 13:39:02 
Started by darksidessj25 - Last post by Szaxx
Nice experience, you should know it's best to do as the locals do. The extra attention may be different from what you'd expect.
It's their world and it's best to fit in. The experience will last longer too.

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 on: Yesterday at 12:09:29 
Started by darksidessj25 - Last post by darksidessj25
Found my self in a place with 3 other people. 1 person seemed to have trust issues and the others I don't recall that much, I ran into several astral entities and didn't show a sign of fear. The spirits that where with me told me just to keep my cool and act normal. I saw a thing that made really load noises. It floated towards me and screamed. I could here it all around me in a 360 degree spectrum. Didn't frighten me because he didn't scream directly at me for that long. I just continued on. I tried to use OM but one of the spirits said not to do that cause they won't like it and it will draw attention and that isn't what you want here. They shown me quite a few things an old abandoned motor home that was full of cobwebs and this place that was like a big building.

It was white everywhere but not blinding white light. Just kinda dull to remind you that your dead. I told them I was out of body and what not but I don't remember there responses. I just can't believe I face all those entities like that. For some reason one of the persons I was hanging out with kept on reliving his death. For example he was holding a gun which seemed odd. I haquestioned it to in my head. This wouldn't do anything. So it might have blended into a dream from there on.

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