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 on: Yesterday at 00:30:11 
Started by curious956 - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
Okay this sounds like your generating your experience. I know it seems horribly real and very scary but it has that feel to it. .....

I'll tell you one I did on myself so you understand .. When you have a strong belief and fear and you focus off physical that idea or thought or feeling becomes a living thing.. This idea was expressed in John Dee's diaries. " all ideas become living things for eternity" This was said by the angel Nalvage. Nalvage expressed this concept so beautifully. We generate all of our experiences. This includes both physical and astral. The astral ones can get really scary and make a bigger mess than some of the physical stuff which seems to be under some kind of restraint....


I did this with aliens.  I was doing a remote viewing project picking cards out of a pile and viewing them for practice. The targets were things that I was interested in or curious about. I decided to look to see if there was a governing body that was interplanetary... I was looking to see if the earth fell under that jurisdiction and if it could explain some of the paranormal phenomenon and stories.  Well I got something and I got someone. It kinda freaked me out so I ended the session or so I thought.  I was spooked pretty badly

That night OMG something hit me with a telepathy that burned every cell in my head. The pain was quite physical and I couldn't move. I was not in sleep paralysis I was reading and quite wide awake when this happened. THere appeared to be communication and other things followed. I finally learned to break up the discomfort by getting up as it was coming on. Movement broke up whatever it was.


Now that experience I believe was self generated. I asked for evidence and was given no verification whatso ever that it was real. subjectively it felt very real and I was quite frightened by it. But if such a being was indeed communicating and making the claims I was hearing physical indications should have been fairly easy to manipulate.


So if you have contacts that are not pleasant and you do not want to continue them there is always a way to break the cycle. I found simply moving at the onset ( much like an oncoming leg cramp) broke the cycle and eventually stopped the phenomenon.   

For not being real it sure hurt.  I still am open to the idea that it may have been an extraterrestrial communication attempt but I will insist that some kind of evidence be given. Feedback is always a requirement for any psychic work I do... I have learned that it is more important than ever.

 32 
 on: Yesterday at 00:17:01 
Started by lucid dream lover - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
I"m going to examine the contents of Xanth's refrigerator now muahahahahhahahahahaahah  just kidding.  well.. I did that with a friend the other day they kinda tripped out over it ... it was fun

 33 
 on: Yesterday at 00:14:48 
Started by lucid dream lover - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
It's probably not a good idea. In CRV we call it getting " sucked in"  basically you experience the thoughts feelings and so on of that person. You can influence them doing this... but they can also influence you so if you go into the mind of a psychotic serial killer he could influence you in a not so good way.

In our advanced training the teacher had us get sucked in to experience the trauma and getting back out of it again. My target ( we were targeting blind) was a crashing airliner. ... my contact was the navigator of the airliner. I hate flying to begin with, and to be onboard trying to fly and airliner with malfunctioning computers was an experience I'll never forget. I can honestly say I was there and I now have to work up the courage to get on an airplane again. My computer nearly got thrown out the window I was so angry and scared.

I am grateful to that navagator for sharing that experience with me and I hope that he felt like he was not alone in that terrifying experience.

This ability can be used to your advantage and you don't have to be projected to do this by the way. But joining the mind of a higher being can help influence you in a good way and make you a better more loving person. So it's not only possible to get sucked in with a person but any consciousness that exists.

the first time you do this, it is a good idea to have help getting out and make sure that all your thoughts are really your thougts before you leave.

Oh another thing. Time doesn't exist when you do this. You can do this at any point in time and the experience will be the same. So you can interact with historical figures and learn a great deal from them. .. You don't have to get sucked in all the way so that your experiencing their emotions and thoughts but you can hold back and have a more superficial interaction.

 34 
 on: August 23, 2016, 22:12:18 
Started by blidge - Last post by RobertForsythe
The "words" you use are actually meaningless... it's the *INTENT* placed behind the words which is what empowers them and causes an action.

The there's no difference between commanding "SEE NOW!" or "BANANA SPLIT SUNDAE!" if you place the Intent behind the command.

This is actually how everything works, even in this reality.  Intent is really all there is... once you figure out how to PLACE INTENT (because it can't be taught), then you'll have a much easier time "doing things" while non-physical.  Well, *AND* physically too.  Smiley

Xanth, (& Bluefirephoenix),

Have you ever been OBE and exclaimed, "BANANA SPLIT SUNDAE!" or anything like that, instead of  "SEE NOW!" and gotten the desired result? If so could you provide some detail on this?

In my experience words have meaning and blurting out something inconsistent with the intent would likely cause a form of cognitive dissonance leading to an uncertain outcome. An exception would be if a concerted effort were made in reprogramming an overlay of meaning on the nonsensical words. That seems like a big waste of time and effort.

Intent may be paramount but actions/words must be consistent, imho. Otherwise an accident might result. Sort of like someone smashing into the car in front of them when they hit the accelerator instead of the brakes and saying, "I meant (or my intent was) to hit the brakes". Things like this happen a lot.

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 on: August 23, 2016, 20:47:19 
Started by blidge - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
The "words" you use are actually meaningless... it's the *INTENT* placed behind the words which is what empowers them and causes an action.

The there's no difference between commanding "SEE NOW!" or "BANANA SPLIT SUNDAE!" if you place the Intent behind the command.

This is actually how everything works, even in this reality.  Intent is really all there is... once you figure out how to PLACE INTENT (because it can't be taught), then you'll have a much easier time "doing things" while non-physical.  Well, *AND* physically too.  Smiley


Xanth is correct. The focus and intent is what drives the astral. Words are a translation done by the physical mind and really don't have a lot to do with how communication is done when you re focus off physical. Even when bilocating the impressions only rarely come as words. ( called a P7) 


The communication when you leave physical is far more refined, specific and complete. The spiritual, energetic and emotional content are all included equally. Physical descriptions play only a minor role and this role mostly occurs when the focus is physical.

Even with clairaudience I tend to try to go deeper than the words.  I find the words can be distorted images of the real communication and  indicate interferrence from the conscious mind. I never use them at a superficial level at all and treat them with caution at the deeper level.  Words have the same effect going in reverse. If they lack the other essential parts of non phyiscal communication it will be basically junk. I would discard them entirely and just work on training your focus. In the long run you will be better off.

Another thing is that you need to work with this on verifiable targets if possible. I realize we all want astral play time but it's a good idea to learn to be accurate in your focus and clear in your perception. Those skills once trained can be extremely useful.

 36 
 on: August 23, 2016, 20:37:33 
Started by Nameless - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
The first one is still the walk in. She knows she suspects that she is a walk in and talks freely about the experience. She has no idea how she got there or what happened to the previous occupant. I don't know about the marriage. Certainly such an incident would put a marriage at risk. She has adapted and accepted the experience.

The second I lost contact with after High School  she married and moved to another region. The incident happened near our Senior year. I was never sure that she was the same person I grew up with.

 37 
 on: August 23, 2016, 20:10:20 
Started by curious956 - Last post by Nameless
Point out to your friend that each and everyday they wake up fit and fine. The shadow people are only trying to help your friend overcome their fear. When they do that the shadow people will go away.

I know that sounds to simple to be true but once she/he realizes they are in control it will be just that simple. I do hope this helps your friend.

 38 
 on: August 23, 2016, 19:57:18 
Started by lucid dream lover - Last post by RobertForsythe
Is it possible to literally go inside someone's mind with astral projection?And if the answer is yes what would it look and feel like? undecided Has anybody on here ever astral projected into someone's else's mind?

About 6 months ago I got OBE and went to a place where there was a room of yellowish gold light. A young woman came and stood in front of me and we gazed at each other for a while. Even now I recall exactly what she looked like and I could pick her out of a crowd easily, if I saw her again.

At one point I thought. "I wonder what she is seeing when she looks at me?" Immediately I was standing in her perspective and looking up at me. (She was shorter).

It reminded me of the movie "Being John Malkovic" -- that type experience.

 39 
 on: August 23, 2016, 19:56:56 
Started by Nameless - Last post by Nameless
That's really interesting BlueFire. I wonder if either of them ever figured out what happened and how they dealt with it.

When I was 3 I woke one morning and everything had changed. I knew everything I should have known, like family and relations but I had absolutely no attachment to them. That feeling lasted the entire day. By the second day I just decided to get used to it and form those attachments. It wasn't easy.

A couple of weeks later my mother tried to take her own life. She was put in an institution and in those days that was not good news. But I think what happened with me was a foreshadowing of what was going on with her and helped me understand what she needed. I knew her detachment and I knew it wasn't something she wished for it just was and she needed help reforming those.

So my personal experience was psychic but not a walk-in. I just looked at the forum posted by desert-rat and looks like they can't agree on exactly what a walk-in is either but interesting reading.

Thanks for adding to this discussion and hugs too.

 40 
 on: August 23, 2016, 19:56:04 
Started by curious956 - Last post by funfire
maybe taking a different approach to these perceived entity's would help. I'm sure when your friend comes in contact with these perceived entity's he is then very frightened. So maybe instead of trying to say oppose these entity's he should try to accept them and love them for what they are and bring the entity's to his said level. I find that most subconscious thought isn't thought in words but an instant label your subconsciousness creates to try to understand it's environment. for every action there is an equal or opposite reaction. So instead of fearing those entity's he should embrace them with unconditional love.

People may say oh but if you were reason with the entity it would bring you down or something. I have never found this to be true unless you self doubt and create the fear again. By labeling an entity as evil it will create the perceived fear and the entity's will act as such because they are an extension of your perception.

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