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 on: March 29, 2015, 09:41:59 
Started by beavis - Last post by beavis
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Yeah, it is clearly effective to use empiricism and the scientific method to understand the rules that govern this reality, and what its history has been. No argument there. At the same time, despite the fact that we can discern the laws that govern it all, the laws that don't appear to be derivative from others seem pretty arbitrary. It may well be that an intelligence has chosen an arbitrary set of starting rules, and a starting condition, and possessed either the computing power or the foresight to know sort of where those rules and starting conditions would lead.

Could be. That sounds like something I might do, and if I would consider doing it so would many others who have bigger energy sources.

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Continuing on the supposition of the game analogy (which is speculation of course, but seems like it has a good chance to be true), and you accept the premise that you may have willfully limited your consciousness to "forget" for the purpose of the game, how would you know you were here to play it or not? That may be the point... starting from a position of ignorance.

I cant know for sure, but many things give me clues about why I'm here, my metaphysical parts not the Human body.

I dont resonate with the metaphysical energy on this planet. I'm from somewhere else. I dont know where, except its not here.

I vaguely remember a few things that may have happened before I came to Earth. I saw Earth or this form of reality as a blob of many colors of lights that for a long time has been unable to expand to intersect the structures farther away which also look like blobs of light. I dont know if these structures were galaxies or metaphysical or some combination. Its a vague memory and maybe it was just a dream but it felt like more. It looked stuck like it wanted help to expand. I was with a friend up there who warned me that I keep going down there to do something but not get it done, and then I keep trying again. I responded that if I cant get it done (whatever it was?) this time, I'll leave it for others to do eventually, and me and that friend will do what we had been planning which is in a certain direction far away. I went down. I dont remember what happened after that, except I think I became Human or joined with my Human body in a stronger way.

Theres a danger of following any vague memory or thing that cant be verified, so I leave that as what may have happened, but its not relevant to what I must do now and going forward. I decided the only safe way to choose your future is on what you know is true here and now.

So if I did come to Earth to "crash in the Yukon halfway there, and live there for 2 months" or for "talking to roadies" or whatever "something that happens accidentally in the process, and appears to be background, but is really crux", I must cancel those plans and make new plans in the moment. I dont want to have many pieces of my mind working independently of eachother, hiding information while other parts of my mind choose in ignorance. Its not a good way to live, on Earth or metaphysically.

In year 2003 when I learned metaphysics from nearly nothing to strong telekinesis in 5 months, it was a "wild ride" hard to describe. During it one of the most fun parts was I shared my experience of music with thousands of other spirits at once, and they loved me for it and gave me metaphysical energy which I could use for anything I wanted. This relation between us grew over the months. I started to think that certain life forms out there were helping me with telekinesis only when I thought certain ways or wanted it for certain purposes or was a good person recently. This was not a good way to be, as I soon found out. When the telekinesis wasnt working, I would look to others out there to do for me what I had learned to do on my own. Soon I figured out something very surprising to me... When I finally met these spirits who I was asking permission for me becoming more advanced forms of reality, I was looking in a pandimensional mirror at myself. I had been asking myself for permission. From then on, I didnt have to ask. I just did whatever I thought should be done, and the metaphysics worked like a part of my body.

When people talk about my purpose on Earth without me knowing about it, I see that as another example of not communicating with myself when its needed, since all plans must continually adapt to a new moment of here and now. Maybe I thought something was a good idea before coming to Earth but then realized it doesnt work that way, or maybe I find a better way to do it, or maybe I decide that existing as a pandimensional field intersecting certain galaxies and places across metaphysics would help toward my goals more than staying on Earth. I cant live in a plan set in stone, for the same reason buddhism is against excessive attachment. So whatever plans I've made up to every moment of here and now, I should always cancel and rethink should I again choose to do those things or something else? I free myself from any obligations of my past self before I came to Earth.

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 on: March 29, 2015, 06:53:46 
Started by beavis - Last post by Stillwater
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I dont know if thats true or not, probably not but I cant be sure. I dont see any evidence directly for or against it, but theres lots of evidence for the simpler explanations of how the world came to be here involving cooling blobs of star becoming planets. Or did you mean somebody used that process to build this "game" world?

I've heard similar theories about this world being a game where spirits come to learn. They usually say spirits choose to forget its a game, as part of the game. If so, something could have gone wrong that prevents them from leaving the game when they wanted to or some external influence on the game that was not planned for. We cant trust this "game", if thats what it is.

If this is a game, I dont think I'm here to play it. I need tools to build more advanced parts of myself involving vibrating dimensions and shapes. Some of this stuff isnt as easy to find or build out there as it is here.

Also, if this is a game that I knowingly entered, its unlikely I meant to just play it as usual, and instead I'd probably be here to make sure the exits are clearly marked or explore bizarre ways of networking minds together in computer ways (how simulated minds work) and pandimensional ways (telepathy, telekinesis).

Either way, I am not here for what most are here for, and I will leave and not return any time I like, but I need to choose where I'm going and what I'll do first.


Yeah, it is clearly effective to use empiricism and the scientific method to understand the rules that govern this reality, and what its history has been. No argument there. At the same time, despite the fact that we can discern the laws that govern it all, the laws that don't appear to be derivative from others seem pretty arbitrary. It may well be that an intelligence has chosen an arbitrary set of starting rules, and a starting condition, and possessed either the computing power or the foresight to know sort of where those rules and starting conditions would lead.

Continuing on the supposition of the game analogy (which is speculation of course, but seems like it has a good chance to be true), and you accept the premise that you may have willfully limited your consciousness to "forget" for the purpose of the game, how would you know you were here to play it or not? That may be the point... starting from a position of ignorance.

Maybe your goal isn't what it appears to be, but something that happens accidentally in the process, and appears to be background, but is really crux.

For instance... a person decides to fly around the world. They crash in the Yukon halfway there, and live there for 2 months before they contact civilization again. They started with one goal, but had a totally different experience.

Or A person is a famous Piano player. Thing is though, the really significant part of their life is talking to roadies waiting for the shows to start, or the fact that traveling so much gave the person time to write several books in the meantime.

If we do have something like a purpose... it may not be obvious or known to us, or even discernable on this side.

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 on: March 29, 2015, 06:11:38 
Started by beavis - Last post by beavis
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Stillwater - I appreciate the paradigm shifting thought, but at the same time, this reality is like a game that has been setup for us... and breaking out of the game for the sake of it rather than playing within the rules may also be missing the point. At least that is what I surmise.

I dont know if thats true or not, probably not but I cant be sure. I dont see any evidence directly for or against it, but theres lots of evidence for the simpler explanations of how the world came to be here involving cooling blobs of star becoming planets. Or did you mean somebody used that process to build this "game" world?

I've heard similar theories about this world being a game where spirits come to learn. They usually say spirits choose to forget its a game, as part of the game. If so, something could have gone wrong that prevents them from leaving the game when they wanted to or some external influence on the game that was not planned for. We cant trust this "game", if thats what it is.

If this is a game, I dont think I'm here to play it. I need tools to build more advanced parts of myself involving vibrating dimensions and shapes. Some of this stuff isnt as easy to find or build out there as it is here.

Also, if this is a game that I knowingly entered, its unlikely I meant to just play it as usual, and instead I'd probably be here to make sure the exits are clearly marked or explore bizarre ways of networking minds together in computer ways (how simulated minds work) and pandimensional ways (telepathy, telekinesis).

Either way, I am not here for what most are here for, and I will leave and not return any time I like, but I need to choose where I'm going and what I'll do first.

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Xanth - But, what if Yoda is correct in that the only limit is the one you've placed on yourself?

I didnt try to be limited. If I had I would never have learned telekinesis at all. Its what happened on its own. Maybe someday I will push bigger weights, but probably in astral even bigger weight than that.

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When I compare this reality to a non-physical reality, I use the same scale I use here: My five senses.

Maybe thats my problem in projecting recently. I am repelled by the idea of 3 dimensions and Human bodies. The kinds of reality I'm more comfortable in are pandimensional, but I dont understand them much. It just looks a little too much like lies to me when I try to force the world into a 3d view. I know there are 3d structures out there in astral, but thats just because spirits formed them into those shapes, not because it has to be that way. I think its more generally true that things can change number of dimensions as the reshape. Maybe I've lived in 3d too long and its imprinted its limits on me so I cant align to pandimensional as well as I used to.

But about comparing your "five senses" here and there, its not the same body, so if your astral body is also less dense, it would appear the same density as Earth.

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 on: March 29, 2015, 03:48:17 
Started by Bluefirephoenix - Last post by damnuok

Just a bit of background... I've been projecting/phasing/obe'ing for about 2 years. I got it down almost straight away, but have had ups and downs in terms of the frequency and quality of my experience during that time. I've also experienced just about every kind of exit sensation you can think of, and a few that I think are unique to me. Those have almost completely subsided recently. At my best, I would consciously project 3 times a week (each time would be multiple projections/exits too, from 2 - 7 a pop). Nowadays I don't get as much action though - maybe 1-3 a fortnight and often at a lower quality of consciousness. That has been a tad depressing/frustrating, but on the bright side, I have managed to have a couple of mind-blowing experiences beyond anything I'd done prior.

The point is, I'm feeling like I need to take a new direction, maybe developing my meditation to the next level. I too seem to have guides, (some recurring faces while I'm out, as well as a full-blown tour guide on my biggest experience) and recently I've heard a few voices around the time I would usually project. A week or so ago, I got a clear voice right in my ear saying "trust me", and that was it. I requested a meeting with whoever had spoken to me in my last projection yesterday, but, didn't get anyone popping up for a chat.

This brings me to my questions:

1) How did you initially establish your connection with your guides, and how did it play out over time?
2) How did you deepen that connection?
3) Do you believe any meditation styles/techniques or lifestyle habits helped in your development significantly?

I feel that this might help me establish some consistency, and take this stuff to a deeper and more meaningful level. Any help offered will be greatly appreciated, and I really look forward to hearing more about your growth.

Hello Macca, I hope I can help you with your questions as well.

1 and 2 were already answered in my post above.

About the 3rd question, I agree with everything Bluefirephoenix said, but in my opinion, the most important thing you must have in your lifestyle is your attitude towards what happens in your life. You must be able to look around you and see more than what your eyes show you. You must see with your Heart, feel the energy around you, of what’s happening in your life, and more important than that, live knowing thyself.

Your guides have always been with you since you were born, and your life is already a path created by them, so that you can learn what you need to learn to evolve. In other words, think of every situation that happens to you and meditate on what you can learn from it. Do not be satisfied with the most obvious answer, always look for the deeper meaning.

This is very easy to do, but very difficult to start doing.

All of this will be much more effective if you “phase” your consciousness daily, not out of your body, but to the Chakra of your Heart. I’ll explain why:

When you leave your body without having an absolute concrete destination, the truth is that you don’t know where you are going. You can “interact” with all kinds of energy, including your own energies that you didn’t even know, created by your negative thoughts and fears.

When you “breathe” Light, and move your consciousness to your Heart’s Chakra, you are going through the right Path to be able to hear your Guides, and with time, see Them, know Them, and understand Them and yourself.


If you are searching for a simple, but absolutely effective way to meditate, go through your Heart’s Chakra and see yourself in an absolute pure white place, filled with white light and a Big Golden Sphere. Talk with that Sphere with your heart, BELIEVE that it will listen to you. Ask it what you really want. Spiritual Growth, self-knowledge, knowing this world better and how to transcend it, whatever your heart wants. Ask it to give you Light and feel that Light filling you up and wrapping you.

It seems pretty simple, but it's REALLY important. Going through this path with your Heart, you can be sure that you will find your purest "Spiritual Guide".

What starts with an empty white space and a Big Golden Sphere will change, but at its rhythm. Don't be rushed. Practice this often, every day if you want and don't reject anything that happens or appears.

Afterwards, when you start practicing regularly, you may hear some sort of voice in your head that you might think it's your own thoughts or own sensations, but no. You'll learn how to differentiate it and with time and love, it will grow into something bigger.

Even when you're not practicing, if you "talk to yourself" in your mind, but with your Heart, you can be sure that you are being listened to. The more Light you have, the better and easier this will be.


Since you’ve already heard your Guide, you can also go to this white place, through your Heart’s Chakra and ask your Guide to show Himself/Herself, or to show you something.

Above all, ask for Light, to your Heart and to your mind.

Good luck.

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 on: March 29, 2015, 03:06:27 
Started by Bluefirephoenix - Last post by damnuok
First of all, I want to congratulate you, Bluefirephoenix, really well done. I’m really happy for you, I’m really glad you followed your Heart and gave your all to follow your Spiritual Path.

Basically, I’ve also been through every “phase” you’ve written, and you’re pretty correct on nearly everything you say.
Of course every person “translates” their learning experience at his or her own way, but your way is really good.

The first thing I’d like to explain is about those shadows you talk about:

Sometimes you generate sensations, scary spirits can be generated by your mind ( most of these shadowy scary things that attack you in astral are made by your mind)

That is true, those shadows can be your own reflected fears and weaknesses, but when someone makes a projection that did not went through their Heart Chakra, and without filling up their body with Light, the projection might not be that safe, and in some cases, those shadows, might not just be the result of your own mind.

Unlike what many people think, certain not so good “entities” truly do exist.

I very much doubt that demons exist as independent entities.
(other thread)

The “information” that you have “translated” with your learning experiences is not wrong, but it is not complete. Indeed those “entities” do exist, but the ONLY way they can affect you is using your fears, your weaknesses and flaws. This means every “part” of you that is not Light or Love. They take advantage of that, and that’s the ONLY weapon they have against you.

Everyone has weaknesses, fears, flaws, fragilities… the only way to stop them is having Light, it is the spiritual evolution/path in which you eliminate your fears and flaws, which means, the spiritual path made by and with God and God’s guides.

I also had a first initial guide that was very close to me, He is an Angel with a very intense and bright light.

He told me, the very first time I ever saw Him, that from moment on, I would learn with him.

Months before He came into my life, my practice was moving my consciousness to my Heart’s Chakra, to a “place” where I had a Big Golden Sphere, symbolizing God.

My practices (meditations) were basically asking for help, so that I could see my flaws, my weaknesses, so that I could become pure and evolve spiritually with a “cleaner Heart”.

In these practices, I received a lot of Light coming from the Big Golden Sphere. That Light filled me up and surrounded me. I even made multiple practices in one, I gained awareness that you can have multiple “bodies” (or consciousnesses) during a meditation, each receiving his own energy, his own learning, with the same level of consciousness in every one, meaning I can do 1 meditation that is like 7 different meditations at the same time, each one with different (or the same) beings, in different (or the same) “places”, with different learning experiences and with the same high-consciousness level in each one (more lucid that I am in this world).

I didn’t make this happen, I didn’t even know it was possible. It started by being something as simple as seeing me in the third person. After a few months of daily practice, sometimes 5 minutes, sometimes 1 hour (I didn’t decide the time I was “there”), my Guide appeared and from that day on, everything was different.

I’ve always talked with Him as I talk to anyone else, with practice and after some time, I could see Him and see his face just like you see any person in the street. I cried of joy (it's not joy, but there is no word for it) the very first time I clearly saw His eyes, his look.

This Guide helped me know myself and understand the world around me, from the simplest to the most complex things. We went a long way, and my practices started being around 4 hours long, uninterrupted. Of course I did not realize, I didn’t decide how long I was “there”.
With time, that Big Golden Sphere was no longer a Sphere and got a shape, the shape of what I went to know that was called … Heavenly Father.
I started learning with Him and with several Angels that I slowly got to know.

I’ve always had clairaudience, clairvoyance, clairsentience, you name it, all kinds of “abilities” you can imagine since I remember myself, but I’ve always been afraid of them and never wanted to improve them. Everything I said above happened when I decided to trust God and let Him guide me through my Heart.

Nowadays I’m not afraid anymore, obviously, I feel absolute happiness and peace, especially when I’m practicing, which completely transformed my life.

I may be having be having a conversation with someone in here, while talking to God or any Angel or Guide, face to face, eye to eye, with the same clarity and consciousness of everything at the same time. One day you will see that the Heavenly Father will reveal to be much more than what you can “see” today, and maybe you’ll have some surprises.

There are very few people like you, who can walk through this Path, because logic will simply not allow you to give as much of yourself as you want and must. I am TRULY happy for you!


Now, allow me to explain something:

All the discipline you’ve had until today was very important, but let me tell you something, and you should speak with your Guides about this. (Actually, I’m pretty sure They have already “talked” with you about this, perhaps you didn’t understand it very well).

I think that you’ve reached a “level” where your discipline is blocking you a bit, because there are moments, sudden moments, without any obvious reason (that a human being can comprehend), which is THE time to learn something. It can happen with something very simple on your day-to-day.
If you’re too focused on discipline, on your ”scheduled-time” to meditate, you may be blocking what’s around you, your day-to-day learning (in this world). Everything that happens in your life – it is your Guides that make it happen, so you can learn.
Don’t lock yourself to your “scheduled” meditation, of course it is VERY important, but so is your day-to-day practice. You must try and learn how to practice in your day-to-day, constantly.

See everything with the “eyes” that you “see” with in your meditation, feel it as you there and will see that everything is a learning experience. The big-meditation is what your consciousness is doing HERE.

Shut your logic off, don’t let it interfere, try your best so that it is not a hindrance.

Another piece of advice:

You are very focused during your meditations (for the record, phasing=projection=meditation=practice to me), and you try to ignore everything that is not part of your main goal. You focus on a single point.
At this moment (after you've made countless absolutely focused in "1-point-practices"), your meditation may consist of 1000 points at the same time, but if you make yourself just look at 1, you will not see the others.

Believe me, with enough practice, you’ll be able to see the 1000 points with the same focus that you can see 1 today. Don’t focus constantly on your focus. Feel it. Receive.

Even though initially you will not be able to see everything as good as you’re used to, trust me, you will learn much more by feeling it. With time, you will feel and see everything much better. What you’re currently doing, WORKS, but don’t be too attached to it, evolution is a constant evolution.

You already know that 2+2=4. Now see that 2+2 can also be 5. And do not use logic.

I know it’s getting long, but I would also like to make one question:   

You mentioned an Initiation made by your guide. Can you tell me if the Initiation was an Astral Initiation (not in here), or it was also in the physical plane? Did you receive any Initiation name?

I was also Initiated, I’ve had non-physical Initiations, but also physical, always accompanied by non-physical guides.
Fortunately, I heard my heart, I heard my spiritual guides, I heard God.

Again, congratulations, you’re in an amazing Path, keep going with even more Love in your Heart.

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 on: March 29, 2015, 01:14:15 
Started by obe4life - Last post by 777Sloan
In my opinion, astral realms are just like physical realms. What you perceive is what you believe to be the ultimate truth. But I think it's no near to any ultimate truth. it's just your own perception of what you witness. For example: in the physical world there are sun, moon, planets, human beings, countless life forms.....etc. religious people perceive those things to be God's creation and claim they have the ultimate fact and the 100% true answer of what's going on. On the other side, agnostics and atheists perceive the same exact objects and life forms as a creation of coincidence and mere randomness, and they too claim to have the ultimate knowledge and the unquestionable proofs. everyone MUST have his own experience, his own perception and his own beliefs, and no body has the right to claim having the true answer, and try to convince others with his conclusions.

Well said, obe4life. I more or less feel the same. What you express is one reason I tend to take various religions, philosophies, and atheism with an inquisitive, but tentative perspective. Whatever ultimate truth is...I suspect it may well be beyond these relative cultural belief systems. For me, seeking truth is intensely subjective. And so, while I sense the aforementioned belief systems generally mean well, I feel they may be something akin to training wheels...helpful in the beginning, but after a while they just hold you back.

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 on: March 28, 2015, 22:08:48 
Started by WhoDaHell - Last post by WhoDaHell
I like the timer idea as he falls asleep much better with the light on but then he wakes up often if I leave it on, maybe i will rig up a sensor that turns it on when he makes a sound and turns off on a timer so he can fall asleep with it on and wake up with it on but not sleep with it on. Definitely seems to be the darkness that is worrying him.

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 on: March 28, 2015, 21:39:10 
Started by WhoDaHell - Last post by desert-rat
I sleep with a radio on .  As I am an a adult , and not scared  of ghosts , I just got usted to having a radio on . Coast to coast is what I listen to , for a kid you might try some soft music , ect.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/     

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 on: March 28, 2015, 21:05:25 
Started by sheriff_rango - Last post by Xanth

Thanks for the advice. smiley

The thing is I can project fine from lucid dreams and the fear's pretty much kept at bay so long as I keep moving.

And I do have a fondness for risky things - jumping out of buildings etc (in the NPR!). grin

But I ruled out conscious projections a while back because I'm a total wimp and I accept that. Its only been recently that these spontaneous chances have arisen and I don't want them to go to waste.

Is there much difference in the outcome projecting this way? Does it take a long time? Is it scary? lol. I just want to be prepared...

I guess I'll have to grow a pair and just get on with it, right?.
If you're in a "lucid dream", you're already projecting.  There's no need to project "from" a lucid dream". 

There's also no 'extra added benefit' or bonus from having a conscious projection vs what you're already doing.  None at all. 
Anyone who tells you otherwise has massive ego issues and simply just want to feel special.

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 on: March 28, 2015, 15:39:10 
Started by sheriff_rango - Last post by sheriff_rango
Hi

I would say yes. What you call magnetic, I call it suction. What you want to do is create a pendulum swing with inside of the feeling of "magnet" or "suction". What you want to do is leave the bed, break the magnetic filed/suction. you do that by creating movement.

Hearing a seashell,wind.. ya that's all good. I get a rushing sound like that in my ears,head, and at the same time I also get vibes,or contrations, or just pressure..and its try to leave the body now time. I don't think you are missing opertunities.. I think you are getting opportunities.. now you just need to take the next step which is out and your panic thinking.

F Ya it is worth is pursuing.. sorry for the bad word. Just imagine a place where anything you do can't pshyically kill you. As long as you don't have a sudden heart attack in the real world while out of body.. you will always wake up in bed. You cant die.. smiley I tried   grin   so is that not motivation enuff to try and do it and what ever panics you, go check it out, you will always have another go check it out again time.P anic is a natural response. So go experiment..you will like it.Freedom.




Thanks for the advice. smiley

The thing is I can project fine from lucid dreams and the fear's pretty much kept at bay so long as I keep moving.

And I do have a fondness for risky things - jumping out of buildings etc (in the NPR!). grin

But I ruled out conscious projections a while back because I'm a total wimp and I accept that. Its only been recently that these spontaneous chances have arisen and I don't want them to go to waste.

Is there much difference in the outcome projecting this way? Does it take a long time? Is it scary? lol. I just want to be prepared...

I guess I'll have to grow a pair and just get on with it, right?.


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