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 41 
 on: March 30, 2015, 21:32:42 
Started by skeptic - Last post by skeptic
Thank you very much ! That is a great point you  made ! You perfectly clarified this for me!
I must have missed this part when i read your book .
Love and Peace.
Skeptic

 42 
 on: March 30, 2015, 18:57:55 
Started by beavis - Last post by Kzaal
Yeah man, I'm with Xanth on this one lol, you need to go with the flow man. XD
I can barely understand what you were trying to say, you employ the term metaphysics way too much. You need to relax man!
Listen, you might be a very good scientist and everything, but even with my IQ of 140 I can't always understand you.
This is a normal forum, you don't need to employ too many complicated terms, we will understand you.
We're not a scientist community, although some of us are very educated in the domain, we kinda let this on the side to help each others out better.

There's no Saint Graal of technology or metaphysics, it's just to keep you going until you go nuts.
I've heard that stuff you said earlier, about the goal in a past life that you would need to complete eventually or leave it to someone else to accomplish if you fail to do so...
I've heard it from myself, from my thoughts of always searching for something greater...(a link to your past lives) or a link toward the better knowledge about humanity and even astral/celestially.
I've searched for years and years, never found a schematic in my brain or a slightest idea of a starting point.

But as soon as you let go, and remove all those "parasites" ideas, because they are there to mess your brain up, trust me.
Then, and only then, you'll tell yourself that you did the right thing because you'll find the true meaning of what you were here to do. And it's simply to love each others. You don't need any inventions to do that, and even if you did that, what purpose would an artificial thing such as a program or a technology would do to enhance anything astrally or metaphysically, or even celestially.
If I had everything given to me freely via a program or a telepathy group or something like this that would instantly tell me all the secret in the world, my brain would probably fry. And to me that would be exactly like cheating at an exam.
You need to fail to understand a concept. Same goes for life, even if you fail, you'll understand the concept.
If you don't fail, and all the information is given to you, you'll never understand it, you need to live it to understand it.

1. We don't have the technology to connect to the celestial. (we are not even slightly close)
2. Humans can love each others and evolve spiritually just by loving each others and being in harmony.
3. Harmony is only achieved when you know that you don't need all this superficial stuff.

 43 
 on: March 30, 2015, 18:12:06 
Started by skeptic - Last post by Xanth
Thank you , Xanth . Yes this is true , phasing directly brings me greater awareness and clarity than when becoming lucid while dreaming .
But the reason why i made this post is the way i became lucid - through my normal A/P routine while dreaming. Usually when i fly in my dreams
i become aware that i am dreaming and then if i have enough focus i ask one of those questions in order to increase my awareness and i  get the right answer
or no answer at all. But never wrong answer. But in my today's experience I got the wrong answer because i assume my home base shifted so to speak ; the projection took place in virtual room/bed while i was dreaming  and that is why i got a little confused. Other than that it is just the same thing. I realize there are millions ways to gain lucidity , but this one somehow felt special.
Thanks again.
Love and Peace.
Skeptic
I find that the only thing that causes a fail in the questions is when you don't completely stop what you're doing and you don't focus completely on the questions being asked... you'll get erroneous results.
The really big part of those questions isn't the questions themselves... strangely enough.  It's the stopping what you're doing and focusing upon something in your surroundings.  THAT is the most important part.  Smiley

 44 
 on: March 30, 2015, 17:17:57 
Started by Bluefirephoenix - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
The experience was facilitated by spirits mostly by an angel. I don't know what you mean by " astral initiation" Things happened both on the physical level as well as spiritual.

 45 
 on: March 30, 2015, 14:49:52 
Started by obe4life - Last post by obe4life
Hi all. This is an open question for everybody here on the forum. During one of your astral travels / OBEs, you confront some sort of "being". you feel him to be neutral. would you prefer to make contact and start conversation with "him" or you just ignore his presence and continue your way, counting on yourself to gain knowledge and explore the universe? in other words: what feels more safe for you? to make contact or not to make contact?

 46 
 on: March 30, 2015, 14:41:14 
Started by obe4life - Last post by obe4life
Greetings obe4life
Here is a rather 'far out' hypothesis. Perhaps there is another you in an alternate universe. And perhaps that other you had a strange dream about rolling out of body and out of bed during the dream. That dream the other you had was actually your obe in the alternate universe.
I have read many peoples' theories about alternate lives in alternate universes yet there are very few obe reports that could support such theories. Your obe could be interpreted as support of that alternate universe/alternate lives theory.

Regards  cool
Grey
Thanks for stopping by Greytraveller. Yes, I think your theory is very close to what I was thinking about this experience.

 47 
 on: March 30, 2015, 07:03:15 
Started by skeptic - Last post by skeptic
Thank you , Xanth . Yes this is true , phasing directly brings me greater awareness and clarity than when becoming lucid while dreaming .
But the reason why i made this post is the way i became lucid - through my normal A/P routine while dreaming. Usually when i fly in my dreams
i become aware that i am dreaming and then if i have enough focus i ask one of those questions in order to increase my awareness and i  get the right answer
or no answer at all. But never wrong answer. But in my today's experience I got the wrong answer because i assume my home base shifted so to speak ; the projection took place in virtual room/bed while i was dreaming  and that is why i got a little confused. Other than that it is just the same thing. I realize there are millions ways to gain lucidity , but this one somehow felt special.
Thanks again.
Love and Peace.
Skeptic

 48 
 on: March 30, 2015, 04:45:05 
Started by dpk38 - Last post by jasonmel42
Another time during my exit, my astral body (during the exit), began spinning in circles at great velocities... (I couldn't see it for my vision had not yet opened but i felt it). Why did this happen??
I've had this happen to me twice recently while meditating. The next time this happens I will do what I was advised in another post; focus away from my body. It is a very interesting sensation and I think I'm on to something with it. Just go with it and see what it leads.

 49 
 on: March 30, 2015, 04:36:44 
Started by jasonmel42 - Last post by jasonmel42
the issue is your focus is not completely off your body. Focus completely away from your body and things should improve.
Thanks for the input. Next time I will work on that.

 50 
 on: March 30, 2015, 02:24:51 
Started by Hfeline - Last post by Hfeline
I've actually considered starting a blog to document my attempts.  Haven't tho.

I'm currently reading The Phase - A Practical Guidebook.  It details a varied method system which I have tried.  Usually, I fall asleep trying the methods or finish without feeling anything special.  Reading it, it might be a worthwhile book, but I think they give certain details in the wrong order.  For instance, it states early that you will have trouble if you move when you wake up or are too alert, and I just reached a point where it states that it really isn't problem, but most people think it is. 

This all started a year and a half ago when I ordered a book by William Hewitt.  It gives exercises and example stories, some of which I've tried.  Haven't gotten through them all.  He touches on OBE, and I'm currently on the psychometry exercises.  I can generally tell color, but I'm not so hot with suits.  At the very beginning of practicing these exercises, I would get physically ill from them and would hold off the next, but that eventually stopped and I can go through the deck four times.  Once color, once suits, then other one more suits and varied or both varied.  Thinking on it, I eventually came to the conclusion that what I wanted was to perform OBE, and that was maybe a year ago now. 

A little about myself:
So, reading through net resources, I read about hearing sounds like a sort of ringing, which is different than THAT ringing.  So I turned off my music and listened to the silence.  It was easy enough to Identify such a sound in the air.  Once I heard it, I found I was able to identify it even while listening to music, or during conversation if I really wanted to.  Or, it'll fade into the background until I listen for it again.  During one of my more recent attempts.  While I was waking up, I noticed images, not unlike movie reels, but whenever I'd try to focus on them, they'd go blank. 
I haven't tried this yet, but at times, I'll wake up to music, that I should recognize, though I can never remember what it was after.  The phantom wiggling exercise I do.  Just at this time I can extend my hand from the keyboard and feel my fingers curling.  Not as intensely because I'm actually using my fingers actively.
I also perform an exercise, descending into the outlook overlooking a beach and rolling sea, mountain and forest.

Any advice would be appreciated, and please ask questions.

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