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 on: April 25, 2015, 16:12:50 
Started by Bluefirephoenix - Last post by Stillwater
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My question would be, who would it be terrifying for?  The idea could be terrifying for you but those realities themselves could only be terrifying to you if you experienced them, and as humans I don't know if we can experience them all at once.  Just one at a time it seems.  And some people do experience terrifying realities, and some don't.  The totality of existence, whether it's called God or the source or whatever, probably experiences consciousness in a radically different way than human beings do.  And why not?  We're just a small piece of the puzzle.

It is terrifying to me because the suffering of other beings matters to me immensely. And to me the many-worlds hypothesis doesn't seem to suggest a zero-sum world, so much as a staggeringly negative one.  

Consider when you are driving a car, for instance, down a city street. Most of the possible actions you have available to you to take will produce a very negative outcome. You could swerve off right, could swerve off left, could ride your car on the sidewalk, etc. Only a very narrow set of choices will see you producing what really amounts to a modestly neutral goal- getting your vehicle from A to B without catastrophe. There are far more ways you could have caused disasters on that trip. When you drive a car, I don't think the sum of possibilities is zero, but starkly negative. There isn't really a set of fantastic positive wonder events that may also happen that outweigh the 95% plus of possible outcomes that are terrible.

The car example also isn't unique. What saves our world from being so terrible is that negative choices are given weight in our minds, such that we are much less likely to choose them. But if every possibility plays out somewhere, the probability safety is no longer there.

In our lives we are threading a needle. We are hand-selecting what we perceive to be the best possible outcomes for ourselves, and hopefully others. I don't think humans know completely what is best, but I think we likely choose well more than poorly, at least on the individual level.

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 on: April 25, 2015, 12:44:55 
Started by personalreality - Last post by FuzzyQuills
@Szaxx: Not sure how that would work, but fair enough... it was more for energy exercises. Smiley
@IsayWhat: "Fuel? What fuel?  huh Mah, nevermind.

About false awakening. It's not easy to just try and push finger through your palm, I mean, if I believe in dream I'm not dreaming then obviously I won't be able to push the finger through my palm even if I'm dreaming. (I hope this sentence makes sense)

I was thinking a watch maybe? Like pocket watch or something that I can look at for around 20-30 seconds and if nothing happens I'm awake, if it does I'm not. I never tried it, but I read that it's really hard to see numbers when dreaming, even if you focus hard and try to see them? Is it true?"
Well, the reading whatch thing works because the brain's reading/writing parts shut down when you're asleep, likewise, you can't read stuff in a dream... Cheesy
@Xanth: What I meant was something personalreality said; he was mentioning a car's fuel tank as an analogy to using energy exercises to boost the amount of time one can be out for. Just head to pages 5-6 and read them, this is where I got my info from, and yea, it probably is just focus, I just like to call it "fuel" as that's how PR explained it. Wink

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 on: April 25, 2015, 11:57:33 
Started by Drakoreo - Last post by Szaxx
Read about 'c' (speed of light), permittivity and permeability. This is what all (Einsteinian E=MC^2) physical energy seems constrained within.
And time flow as in clairvoyant dreams?
Our universe is but one box of many.

 44 
 on: April 25, 2015, 11:13:50 
Started by mrrandom2010 - Last post by AAAAAAAA
Sage should work. If it doesn't,  then there is always another way. Try not being frightened/annoyed. I know that it is not always as simple as just snapping your fingers,  but if you are able to overcome the uneasyness or annoyance,  you will be able to either drive it away,  or become one with it. You have options, my friend c:

 45 
 on: April 25, 2015, 11:08:15 
Started by Bluefirephoenix - Last post by no_leaf_clover
That isn't necessarily wrong...but it is terrifying even to think the world could be that vast. It is also terrifying, because most of those universes would either be empty, or hells, because for every possible "positive outcome", there are probably dozens of negative possibilities.

My question would be, who would it be terrifying for?  The idea could be terrifying for you but those realities themselves could only be terrifying to you if you experienced them, and as humans I don't know if we can experience them all at once.  Just one at a time it seems.  And some people do experience terrifying realities, and some don't.  The totality of existence, whether it's called God or the source or whatever, probably experiences consciousness in a radically different way than human beings do.  And why not?  We're just a small piece of the puzzle.

I had an intense spiritual experience once where I realized that the source must contain not only infinite joy, but also infinite sadness, infinite anger, etc.  If it didn't, then how could these feelings exist?  I couldn't dwell on it for very long because it made me feel that incredible depression.    Everything is part of the totality.  So it is a very sobering thought, but the most incredibly depressed feeling you can possibly imagine is also part of the sum total of reality, and that's just how things are, just the same as joy or whatever else you can experience.  It's just there and it's something consciousness has to deal with, whether in the form of individual incarnations or whatever the case may be.

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 on: April 25, 2015, 11:04:16 
Started by Bluefirephoenix - Last post by AAAAAAAA
John made a lot of predictions. And I believe the multiple worlds theory to be very true and accurate. There is a lot of information on John that you will no longer come across. Be aware that a lot of the information you will find now has actually been altered. I remember looking into thhis years ago,  and looking at the information that is left on the internet about the man,  has been edited and is not a perfectly accurate representation of everything posted in 2000 and 2001. Take everything you read about the man with a grain of salt. The closest you will ever get to the truth is if you had a chance to talk to John in 2000 and 2001, and if you happen to have contact with his close associate,  Pamela. I have not seen her online recently.

 47 
 on: April 25, 2015, 10:58:34 
Started by Bluefirephoenix - Last post by no_leaf_clover
Exactly.  In a Consciousness system where the "consciousness" is trying to grow/evolve by making Love-based choices... then having ALL choices actually play out goes completely contrary to that particular goal as there is no sum of grow ever.  It would essentially be a zero-sum system.

And I'm personally convinced that this is essentially what the totality of existence is: a zero sum system.

I'm all for contributing to the well-being of the whole, but there is no question for me that this is still an obviously dualistic role that I'm performing.  If evil didn't exist, we would have no concept of what "good" even means.  Same for any form of dualism.  You can say someone is a tall person, but that would be totally meaningless if there weren't someone shorter by comparison.  You have to have both for either of them to make sense.  That's just how it works.

For the universe to contain pairs of opposites like this, it obviously gives no real preference between one or the other.  It's by the inherent nature of duality that by creating one side of the coin, you have immediately and automatically created the other side by contrast.  So this seems like a pretty zero-sum situation to me.

Then people ask "what is the meaning of life?", but meaning is not something the universe provides people with.  Meaning is something people create for themselves.  So we are free to experience things as we will.

 48 
 on: April 25, 2015, 08:09:44 
Started by astromalt - Last post by PlasmaAstralProjection
I take the view Raymond has. Which is that what you are experiencing is likely a simulation of the subconscious. In other words you have to travel to other deeper realms which don't rely off of your subconscious so much. It takes time. Just keep practicing and you will grow your inner understanding and experience of it more.

 49 
 on: April 25, 2015, 07:47:54 
Started by astromalt - Last post by Raymond
Some experienced travellers say there are more than one levels/planes/focus's etc that you 'tune' into. They also have an area ( and it fits my experiences ) called the "training ground" which is pure subconscious.

As a guy called Frank Kepple says, it feels as if your'e in a bubble of 20ft or so with reality moulding and creating itself around you. In other words, your'e exploring in a simulation of your own mind. However there's much more than just that to explore.

I'd take a guess and say 90% of my projections have the feel of being mental simulations.

Another test i read about and experienced for myself. If the environment you are in is static and responding barely at all to your thoughts, then your'e 'somewhere' lol.
If your immediate environment responds directly to your thoughts then, imho, its a mental simulation, which is still amazingly fun with loads to learn from.

hope that helps somewhat cool

 50 
 on: April 25, 2015, 05:26:18 
Started by astromalt - Last post by Astralsuzy
How alert are you when you ap?   When I am very alert it is like I am physically out of my body but I am spiritually out of my body.   When I am very alert I know it is real.   It is obvious.   When I am not that alert it is a bit like a dream.   I am not aware of what is going on.   I just drift along.   When I wake up I think my experience was not that great.   It did not feel real.    

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