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 on: Yesterday at 00:17:32 
Started by Blue Glitter Neon - Last post by PlasmaAstralProjection
What do YOU think it means?  Smiley
Meaning our source isn't here that is why we are phased or projected into this reality frame. Meaning physical reality isn't our default place or being. If it where everyone would be in pure consciousness.

 42 
 on: February 26, 2015, 23:53:47 
Started by Blue Glitter Neon - Last post by Xanth
Do not wait for the vibrations to come / be strongest / ebb away, because the 'exact' timing does not matter, you are already in the state and have reached the mark, that's enough for you to know and to go ....

Just call out: "helper!" and stretch out your astral hand (yes, this usually works), wait for your helper to grab it and pull you up/out, they will.

This works for me and many people.
Love the Intent behind this one.  Smiley

 43 
 on: February 26, 2015, 23:45:37 
Started by ryan1337 - Last post by ryan1337
I don't know where everyone here is with everything but I would say this video summarizes the most profound teaching I think i've ever discovered. I wish growth and love for you all!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9vP-GwWBH8

 44 
 on: February 26, 2015, 23:39:55 
Started by PlasmaAstralProjection - Last post by PlasmaAstralProjection
I'm of the opinion that as long as the proper mindset is there, then anyone should be able to end their physical lives whenever they want to.  There's no "penalty" for checking out early... like some people would have to believe.  There's only the lack of chance of spiritual growth... you can always continue it elsewhere.

The problem comes when you want to die for a selfish reason.  Not wanting to place unbearable pain upon yourself and those who love you dearly isn't a selfish reason.  A selfish reason would be you simply don't like the life you're living... well, the reason behind that belief is entirely your perspective and it means you have a lot of growing left to do, so in order to do that, you'll most likely be back here (or another supportive physical reality) in order to learn that lesson anyway.  So, selfish reasons for wanting to die don't, in themselves, cause any kind of penalty such as "you're going to hell"... that's just ridiculous and is a fear-based religious response, but you will have to learn the lesson (ie: change your perspective, change your reality) eventually, so you might as well just do it here.

I could probably write pages on this, but suffice to say that's the basic premise behind my position.  It's a (like most things I refer to) consciousness-based perception, not an individual, materialistic, physical-based one.

As for is it "ethical" or "moral" to do it... those are meaningless labels just like "good" and "evil".  There's only Love-based and Fear-based reasons for doing things... and they go back solely to within you.
Wow Xanth I wouldn't have expected you to take such a liberal stance on this. Good for you. I think that is some really out side of the box thinking there. I would say that between you and Stillwater I am more on your side. Though I have some reservations.

Other than that I would have rather have used the word ethical than moral. The word moral has too much baggage tied to it in religious ways. And I would argue that the word ethical is more of a love based word than one of fear at the root of it. Though they aren't interchange, in law and for all intents and purposes the word ethical would be more accepted than the term "love based decision".

Thanks for chiming in Xanth.

 45 
 on: February 26, 2015, 23:31:00 
Started by Blue Glitter Neon - Last post by Volgerle
Do you have some kind of strategy or something that you employ when you reach this stage? I feel that the correct way to proceed in order to project would be to intensify the vibrational state of mind, but I just don't know how to do it.
Do not wait for the vibrations to come / be strongest / ebb away, because the 'exact' timing does not matter, you are already in the state and have reached the mark, that's enough for you to know and to go ....

Just call out: "helper!" and stretch out your astral hand (yes, this usually works), wait for your helper to grab it and pull you up/out, they will.

This works for me and many people.

 46 
 on: February 26, 2015, 22:48:30 
Started by PlasmaAstralProjection - Last post by Xanth
I'm of the opinion that as long as the proper mindset is there, then anyone should be able to end their physical lives whenever they want to.  There's no "penalty" for checking out early... like some people would have to believe.  There's only the lack of chance of spiritual growth... you can always continue it elsewhere.

The problem comes when you want to die for a selfish reason.  Not wanting to place unbearable pain upon yourself and those who love you dearly isn't a selfish reason.  A selfish reason would be you simply don't like the life you're living... well, the reason behind that belief is entirely your perspective and it means you have a lot of growing left to do, so in order to do that, you'll most likely be back here (or another supportive physical reality) in order to learn that lesson anyway.  So, selfish reasons for wanting to die don't, in themselves, cause any kind of penalty such as "you're going to hell"... that's just ridiculous and is a fear-based religious response, but you will have to learn the lesson (ie: change your perspective, change your reality) eventually, so you might as well just do it here.

I could probably write pages on this, but suffice to say that's the basic premise behind my position.  It's a (like most things I refer to) consciousness-based perception, not an individual, materialistic, physical-based one.

As for is it "ethical" or "moral" to do it... those are meaningless labels just like "good" and "evil".  There's only Love-based and Fear-based reasons for doing things... and they go back solely to within you.

 47 
 on: February 26, 2015, 22:41:31 
Started by Blue Glitter Neon - Last post by Xanth
What do you mean that he is projecting this very second and you don't realize it?
What do YOU think it means?  Smiley

 48 
 on: February 26, 2015, 22:10:46 
Started by Blue Glitter Neon - Last post by PlasmaAstralProjection
Projection is so easy that you're doing it right this very second and you don't even realize it. 
What do you mean that he is projecting this very second and you don't realize it?

 49 
 on: February 26, 2015, 21:50:36 
Started by PlasmaAstralProjection - Last post by PlasmaAstralProjection
Thanks everyone for your comments.

Personally am very close to Stillwater on this issue. I am very practical when it comes to this issue. If one's metal illness outweighs even that of their families love they should be given the choice to end their life. Belgium is such a Country that allows chronically depressed people can get a prescription from a doctor to end their life. And even kids can get a medication under certain circumstances. I think it's a good test that pushes our limits on what we think is ethically acceptable. They are like a test for the rest of the world.

In the end I have to even question myself and Stillwaters view that it's a matter of the pros out weighing the cons. Certainly society makes all kinds of decisions that are against other people's wishes and even their love for them which aren't unethical. Eg a son telling their father that they are gay and then the father disowns them. This can be just as bad as if the son committed suicide for the father. Why? Because we mostly think of our selves with our own choices, as independent and separated from others. But as soon as it comes to the choice of doctor assisted suicide we think this is our choice, and not their choice. I know it's a very tough subject even for me. I mean I wouldn't want my sibling to take their life as a young person out in the world if they had a metal illness. And yet how do we gauge their own personal mental suffering which is not ours? I feel like I am getting into philosophy now.

Hell if we could control being gay with a law how we control doctor assisted suicide with laws, then their would still be tons of laws against being gay I bet. And certainly being gay is just as much of a right as doctor assisted suicide, if not more. People can suffer much more in silence at the end of their life with their dignity being striped away than what a gay person would ever suffer throughout their lifetime.

Lastly let me point out that there was a guy that had a very very painful disease that he was a staunch supporter of no doctor assisted suicide. He was the one that went to congress to testify that their was no need for doctor assisted suicide. He did this for years. And at the end of his disease guess what, he changed his mind on this issue and thought that people should have this right. I wish I could remember his name. My guess is that his physical pain turned into a more mental suffering for him at the end and he just couldn't stand against doctor assisted suicide any longer. Most people that are against doctor assisted suicide once pushed will be for it. We must be considerate with true empathy for those that suffer, for the physical and mental suffering alike.

Lastly don't worry I am not depressed and I have no thoughts of ending my life anytime soon. Thanks to all you for chiming in again.

 50 
 on: February 26, 2015, 21:08:18 
Started by Blue Glitter Neon - Last post by Xanth
I have read of course that some people imagine they roll out bed during the vibrational stage and thus achieve the out of body state this way, but like imagining I am raising my hand to look at it (really?) that just makes me feel silly. Like I actually could project that easily? Is there any other technique, perhaps a bit more simple and immediate that you could employ in order to make use of the vibrations?
I just wanted to point out the silly part.

What's silly about it? 

The other part I wanted to point out is that, yes, it IS just that easy.  Smiley
Most people love to over-complicate things for whatever reason (usually ego-based reasons).

Projection is so easy that you're doing it right this very second and you don't even realize it. 

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