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 on: October 18, 2014, 20:12:23 
Started by Andrew79 - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
It might be helpful to you if you think of the sensation as something that is always there but that when your going into trance you become aware of it. Learn the place where it is and keep going that way. It can take some time to develop to the point where you can remember the projection. You do project but you may not be lucid when it happens.

 42 
 on: October 18, 2014, 20:10:53 
Started by MooMeat42 - Last post by MooMeat42
There are spiritual messages in just about every single aspect of your life... most of which you've probably never even stopped to listen for.
I have. I just wanted to make a library of music with direct references to it. For example, Periphery has 2 albums about learning to AP. In contrast, many many pop-music "artists" know nothing about it. I'm not here to make trouble, just thought it would be cool since there is no list on the whole of the internets

 43 
 on: October 18, 2014, 20:04:17 
Started by MooMeat42 - Last post by Maria
So you mean that an OBE is a creation of subconscious as well as lucid dreaming, then where is the edge between imagination and reality? I have seen the future in my dreams too but it was absolutely logical. I could have guessed it without any dream.

 44 
 on: October 18, 2014, 18:15:10 
Started by FateBender - Last post by sirkgarf
I think the reason why is this not so popular is because it will change everything upside down. Most people believe in science only. I dont mean to say science is wrong, but it only matters in the physical world and it can not give explanation to the OBE. If you think about it, this can change the whole world, the history, the chemistry, the phisics, religion etc.

 45 
 on: October 18, 2014, 18:11:34 
Started by DarkHorizon - Last post by Xanth
That's because you're thinking about the wrong kind of love/fear.

It's based upon the Intent behind it.   A Love-based Intent or a Fear-based Intent.

It has nothing to do with loving or hating something. 

It's the intellectual level vs the being level.

 46 
 on: October 18, 2014, 17:59:26 
Started by personalreality - Last post by sirkgarf
Ok thanks for helping me. I will try again as soon as i get the chance. smiley

Edit: I'd like to ask If it's necessarily to use diamonds or other stones. I've read some of you use them.

 47 
 on: October 18, 2014, 17:52:16 
Started by MooMeat42 - Last post by soarin12
I have read this lots of times but when I lucid dream things change. For instance if I stare at something it's shape changes. Of course everything is almost as real as in reality but still everything is made by my subconscious. Especially  characters. I have never had OBE but as I know astral world is similar to our physical world (before entering other planes). So how can lucid dream and OBE be same if lucid dream is made by me and OBE in opposite is real.


What you are calling an OBE is every bit as 'subconscious' as what you're calling the lucid dreaming state.  You'll understand once you've had a few.  At first when you 'separate from your body' and see your bedroom looking the same as in the physical you'll think it's "real."  Then you realize some things are out of place.  Your cat's ears are too pointy.  There is a book shelf where the sink should be.  The living room is a little cleaner than you left it last night.

I'm not saying it's impossible to see what is actually going on in the physical.  It's just not exactly easy or natural.  You find that when you're in what you are calling an OBE, your thoughts manifest before your eyes just as readily as in a lucid dream.  Now in what you're calling the lucid dreaming state, I've had many validations that what I'm experiencing is not just my imagination.  To name a few, I've seen one week into the future, twice.  Iv'e seen and experienced many things just the way authors of AP books have seen them, and I had the experience first, before I read the books.  This is all proof to me of the collective consciousness.

So my advice is to forget about the labels.  Glorifying OBEs and limiting lucid dreams can get you stuck in a rut you don't want to be stuck in.  As Xanth said above, consciousness is consciousness.  It definitely has it's difficulties and it's wonders.  cheesy




 48 
 on: October 18, 2014, 16:53:00 
Started by personalreality - Last post by LightBeam
Yep, forget about the laws of the physical world. Keep a very open mind.

 49 
 on: October 18, 2014, 16:46:59 
Started by Simo - Last post by sirkgarf
Hey guys. Im bulgarian too and I just found this forum 2 days ago. Nice to meet you.  smiley

 50 
 on: October 18, 2014, 16:44:21 
Started by personalreality - Last post by sirkgarf
This sounds completely mind blowing. It's hard for me to understand that we all expirience the same thing but everyone sees and is able to do different things and that my beliefs and thoughts actually change the reality "there". Maybe because I'm used to the physical world where we all can do the same.

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