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 41 
 on: June 17, 2013, 20:20:43 
Started by dreamingod - Last post by Stillwater


Yeah they are different panels; you can see from the above image the entire Sistine chapel, and the "Creation of Adam" is in the middle. "The separation of Light from Darkness" is the center panel three below it, which you can also see in the above image:



But yeah, I guess it is what it is, lol.

 42 
 on: June 17, 2013, 20:20:43 
Started by SirMike - Last post by SirMike
I'll bet you were startled. On occasion I too see crazy lights and shapes way out of place and they get your attention before you can take control. Usually you wake and find nothing unusual at all and kick yourself for not accentuating the experience.
These strange artifacts have produced a tunnel or vortex looking apparition too. If you managed to stay with the odd effect, then enter the apparition you're in for a treat. Many exits exist on the rushing by of the lights and these are created by your intent. Staying the distance is also good as the end places you where you need to be.
The tactile effects of movement are also present and can be extremely exhilarating too.
It's 'any fears need be done away with' time too, to miss an opportunity after a few experiences because of taking too long to enter, will become evidently self annoying.
The AC slowing in frequency is the effect of you increasing yours. The physical is being detached and your mind speeds up around 5 times faster I find. By this time the physical is removed totally from perception and your on your travels.
Any extra sensations require interaction in a mundane sense at first and when they become clear your interaction can be dramatically increased. In a similar way to phasing when the visualisations start.
If your lucky enough to find a repeat of this,  open your eyes slowly and take a look into the distance. Your active in the non physical and may not see your room at all. This is another shock to be prepared for. The scene could be black with a dash of colour or fully generated. It may be your room with reality fluctuations and a whirling pattern of colour or a completely different setting.
Go for it next time without any fears. These are quite rare and the recall is excellent.

Nice to hear your back too.

Interesting you mention the vortex, I actually saw a orange orb present itself when my eyes were closed, also I did notice that when ever these occurrences happened the noise my AC made seemed to accelerate as if the speed of it had increased. Also my eyes were twitching a bit when this happened, I tried my best to keep them closed because I didn't want the experience to end.

I guess these are symptoms of a very close AP but I just don't know what to do once I see these lights, do I focus in on them? I tried doing that and I ended up going cross eyed form looking at the lights, as well as I felt my body sort of shift in direction as if I were in a spinning room, but much smoother and calmer.

 43 
 on: June 17, 2013, 20:06:06 
Started by SirMike - Last post by Szaxx
I'll bet you were startled. On occasion I too see crazy lights and shapes way out of place and they get your attention before you can take control. Usually you wake and find nothing unusual at all and kick yourself for not accentuating the experience.
These strange artifacts have produced a tunnel or vortex looking apparition too. If you managed to stay with the odd effect, then enter the apparition you're in for a treat. Many exits exist on the rushing by of the lights and these are created by your intent. Staying the distance is also good as the end places you where you need to be.
The tactile effects of movement are also present and can be extremely exhilarating too.
It's 'any fears need be done away with' time too, to miss an opportunity after a few experiences because of taking too long to enter, will become evidently self annoying.
The AC slowing in frequency is the effect of you increasing yours. The physical is being detached and your mind speeds up around 5 times faster I find. By this time the physical is removed totally from perception and your on your travels.
Any extra sensations require interaction in a mundane sense at first and when they become clear your interaction can be dramatically increased. In a similar way to phasing when the visualisations start.
If your lucky enough to find a repeat of this,  open your eyes slowly and take a look into the distance. Your active in the non physical and may not see your room at all. This is another shock to be prepared for. The scene could be black with a dash of colour or fully generated. It may be your room with reality fluctuations and a whirling pattern of colour or a completely different setting.
Go for it next time without any fears. These are quite rare and the recall is excellent.

Nice to hear your back too.

 44 
 on: June 17, 2013, 19:39:25 
Started by dreamingod - Last post by Volgerle
Michelangelo painting of the Separation of Light from Darkness, one of a series of nine Sistine Chapel panels showing scenes from the Book of Genesis.
I'm confused, isn't the pics from "The Creation Of Adam"?

 45 
 on: June 17, 2013, 19:03:50 
Started by tmd86 - Last post by astralprojectee
I agree with Lionheart. I think Franks claims should be used as a general guide, and we should try them out and experiment ourselves with these ideas. But they are by no means the only or best authoritative source on APing and LDing. There is no one size fits all for everyone. I think some of Franks claims still need much more research. But his claims give us thought provoking insights into the nature of astral projection.

Peace.

 46 
 on: June 17, 2013, 19:01:40 
Started by SirMike - Last post by SirMike
Hello fellow AP'ers! I have no posted on the forums for a very long time but something drew me back and I had a very strong urge to post
my experience.

I went to bed with the intention to Astral Project, I even said to myself a couple affirmations, I laid down
and relaxed but this time it was different than the others. After about 5 minutes of laying down my eyes started to open,
or at least they felt like they were, now keep in mind I was in a dark room with no light source what soever and the only sound was my
AC running in the background. So my eyes started twiching almost, and about 2 minutes after that I started seeing lights and my
inner sound (Ringing in the ear) got louder and now I noticed in the background that my AC had a much lower tone than before.

All of a sudden I felt my body detach yet my eyes were still closed, but it was as if someone had turned on a light
and a bright light was behind my eye lids, I was amazed at how bright this was, I was a bit strartled and woke up to find myself in my dark room, with no lights.

Any ideas if these bright lights are symptoms or any tips on how to increase the vibrations? I was in this state of bright lights for a while, I was not sure what to do.

 47 
 on: June 17, 2013, 18:35:27 
Started by dreamingod - Last post by Stillwater
A good series of explanations.

I didn't realize the word "religion" was basically about the shifting of one's loyalty from a secular lord to a metaphysical one.

One thing- you have a lot of sources here, and you try pretty hard to cite them all as you should; usually when there is so much cited material, it is best to use a structured system to manage it; generally what works well is to declare what source the material came from right before it is used, and to place the referenced fully in italics. I say this because I was a bit confused about what parts you wrote, and which were sourced.

But beyond that a good presentation!

 48 
 on: June 17, 2013, 16:17:21 
Started by LightBeam - Last post by |Anthony|
I also was having a lot of non-lucid or semi-lucid dreams about being back in Junior High School and High School and one in college. I couldnt find the hidden symbolism behind it, but I eventually did after using some techniques from Jill Morris "The Dream Workbook". Two dreams I had I was back in Jr High talking to my younger self warning to do this and that and not do the things that I (or the younger me) would do when they get older. Another dream I was simply myself back in H.S.  So Szaxx is right...could be hidden symbolism in them. Our subconscious mind can work like that especialy deaing with past issues.

I broke down the dreams and found the symbolism as I keep dream journal, and seriously been into dream recal and memorys for most of my life. I conclude it was an indication that I wanted to go back to high school because it was more of a carefree innocense era, and because it was the time period before I started to make many mistakes in life when I hit college (nothing serious or illegal...just your typical human mistakes that you had you not done would of made your life a lot better and easier). I learned that you can't go back and change the past...nothing you can do...which is why the younger self of me never listened to me in my dreams when I gave warning (he would ignore me as though I wasn't there). Even if someone had told me back in the early 1990 the crazy mistake I made...I'd probably still never listen as I was hardheaded and did what I wanted. I also saw the symbolism in another dream that all we can do is move forward. I also felt that in a way I wouldnt want to go back to high school because in my HS dreams where Im back in HS going to class I ended up hating it because I hated a lot of that "going through a teenage phase" stuff so not only can't I go back...but I dont wan too....so I better just focus on the future...try not to make the same mistakes...and maybe warn others of the same.  In regards to flying...maybe in your dream that is an indication of letting something go? Anyhow seems you were in a semi-lucid dream state.

 49 
 on: June 17, 2013, 15:55:53 
Started by Mystiquemushroom - Last post by |Anthony|
It takes time to fly or transport. Your mind first has to get use to the fact its lucid dreamin (as you're new to it). Kind of like drivng. You have to get use to driving local streets before driving highway.
You'll also build better focus and concentration awareness so your lucid dreams will last longer and you'll from "oh my god a lucid dream...lets try flying" to "Cool my fifteenth lucid dream of the month..what should I do now". Although plan before going to sleep what you want to do in a lucid or semi-lucid dream.

WBTB/NILD are great techniques.

http://www.world-of-lucid-dreaming.com/how-to-have-lucid-flying-dreams.html
http://lucidity.com/NL7.34.RU.SpinFlowRub.html

 50 
 on: June 17, 2013, 14:01:05 
Started by dreamingod - Last post by dreamingod




Michelangelo’s painting of the Separation of Light from Darkness,
one of a series of nine Sistine Chapel panels showing scenes from the Book of Genesis.


Temple

[anatomy] indicates the side of the head behind the eyes.


Etymology:
The word temple means "place of worship".
Both come from Latin.
The word for the place of worship comes from templum,
whereas the word for the part of the head comes from Vulgar Latin *tempula,
modified from tempora, plural form ("both temples") of tempus,
a word that meant both "time" and the part of the head.
Due to the common source with the word for time,
the adjective for both is "temporal" (both "pertaining to time"
and "pertaining to the anatomical temple").

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_%28anatomy%29



Astrotheology/ Astromythology
Although the Bible is not literal and is allegorical, it contains elements of truth.

Quote
one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all (Ephesians 4:6)
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God (John 1:1)
the kingdom of God is within you (Luke 17:21)

Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your Law, 'I have said you are gods' (John 10:34)
I have said, you are gods (Psalm 82:6)


You are God. God is all that is.
You are the observer and that which is observed.
You are both the dreamer and the dream.


~

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