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 41 
 on: July 21, 2014, 08:15:57 
Started by luffy28 - Last post by luffy28
Check the number of hrs. of sleep you're getting per night.  If you're getting too little or too much, staying awake to project becomes way harder than it needs to be.

If that's not your problem, then you just need more willpower.  I actually often find it easier to get up, use the bathroom, and then project.  I find that that few minutes I'm up and awake helps me to strengthen my resolve to project (and not fall back asleep!)  Often with indirect techniques, although they can work very quickly, it's so easy to just cave in to going right back to sleep.  Raduga is pretty negative about direct techniques -just don't let his views poison you against them.  If you get up for a few minutes, it might make things harder or it might make things easier for you.  Everyone is different.  It may help keep you awake for the amount of time needed to project. (which isn't long -twenty minutes tops)

When you're visualizing, make sure you're not turning back to focus on your physical body.  That will kill it.  You have to keep a non-physical focus.  Smiley

I think it's the willpower. Also I'll try to focus on the movement outside of my body.

Thanks.

 42 
 on: July 21, 2014, 08:11:01 
Started by Leo - Last post by raditus
I AP'ed recently and went to this one world during their evening hours. There was heavy cloud cover and this guy was standing around, watching something. I came up to him watch with him. there is a thing, like a Ocean Whirlpool, but in the sky, in the clouds! He told me that this planet is just coming into range of a black hole. Planets that just come into range, their atmosphere's are the first to get snagged. Anything that comes too close to the whirlpool, will get sucked up into it. Biological Life will die before their corpse ends up in the black hole, for the strain of atmosphere leading to the black hole is too thin, leaving the organic being still at the mercy of the laws of outer space.

Then he and I Left this place, because there was nothing else left to do here. It was a a world truly and inevitably marked for death!  

 43 
 on: July 21, 2014, 07:27:12 
Started by raditus - Last post by raditus
Games, Fathers, and the Return of The Old Man

First off, I did AP back to the Old Man. He was still store, emotionally from that woman dealing him a blow. He was a bit terse with me.

After that, I drifted in what would be called a dream. Someone made a home-brew game app based on Longmire. it was a low graphics type game. There was a long overhead view of a game generated street. Walt Longmire was depicted as a general game guy wearing a dark cowboy hat. You had to move him up the screen, thus up the street and into the next section.  he had a little flashlight. You couldn't tell it from the game model, but only that when you were about to come into view from entering the new area, Walt's flashlight would would cast a beam of light. Mutants and zombies would slowly come up the street after Walt. You would have to shoot them with your gun. As you progressed through the game without dying, the game got harder. The monsters would have faster and come onto the screen for frequently.

The dream jumped into me not playing the game anymore. I was in my parent's room. The light was on and my dad was in there, sitting on the edge of the bed and alive. He was wearing his work clothes he'd have to wear when he was working. He had checked the mail when he came home late. He gave me a box with stuff in it that came to me. I opened it right then and there. it was free romance books I was expecting in the waking world.

Dad and I were shooting the breeze even as he sorting the other mail. I happen to look over to my left, toward the big windows. I see the top of the Old Man's head, his white hair at the bottom of the window on the outside, then it dipped down out of sight, meaning he was using the basement door around the back of the house. I start going upfront, yelling for my mom, worried.

One, there is a little more than a six foot drop outside my parents windows, meaning The Old Man would had to have been floating for me to see even part of his hair! Two, I wasn't scared of him, but always had an issue with people dropping by the house unexpectedly. This is stemming from actual drama about people coming over to the house when I was growing up.

Shortly after I whirl around to enter the hall, I wake up.

 44 
 on: July 21, 2014, 06:59:58 
Started by David Warner - Last post by David Warner
Hi FireFly9,


I don't think it is any different between men and women to project. Thou it is a good observation and don't think a scientific study or poll has been taken.

There are many factors that play into projecting that we need to look at from when we awake,daily life and return to sleep. Why can other people project frequent than others? a Big question indeed! One thing I can express to you is keep on with your practices, persistence, and hard work. Document everything you possibly can.

Projecting is a art and takes time to develop. There are no quick short cuts to become proficient.

You just have to keep working at it daily and don't give up hope.

We can chat more about this share our discussion further.

All the best,

Dave

 45 
 on: July 21, 2014, 06:02:10 
Started by luffy28 - Last post by soarin12
Check the number of hrs. of sleep you're getting per night.  If you're getting too little or too much, staying awake to project becomes way harder than it needs to be.

If that's not your problem, then you just need more willpower.  I actually often find it easier to get up, use the bathroom, and then project.  I find that that few minutes I'm up and awake helps me to strengthen my resolve to project (and not fall back asleep!)  Often with indirect techniques, although they can work very quickly, it's so easy to just cave in to going right back to sleep.  Raduga is pretty negative about direct techniques -just don't let his views poison you against them.  If you get up for a few minutes, it might make things harder or it might make things easier for you.  Everyone is different.  It may help keep you awake for the amount of time needed to project. (which isn't long -twenty minutes tops)

When you're visualizing, make sure you're not turning back to focus on your physical body.  That will kill it.  You have to keep a non-physical focus.  Smiley

 46 
 on: July 21, 2014, 05:59:45 
Started by FireFly9 - Last post by FireFly9
I have made a post or two and have also been pouring over all the info here, but I thought I should add a brief intro.  I have already begun the phasing practice and feel this is a technique that could very well get me past my long dry spell of late as far as OBEs are concerned.  I've had some etheric and astral body experiences but arrived here looking for potential support, techniques, and to read about other people's experiences.  I wish I'd found this forum sooner.  

I have read many of the OBE books includin Buhlman's three books and Ziewe, but when I got to Multidimensional Human by Kurt Leland that became my favorite and I have since then covered a lot of ground regarding theosophy including Annie Besant, Seth, Leadbeater and others, which gives one good backgrounding on the sequential growth we go through, and how to approaching out of body travel as a spiritual practice.  

What I like about Multidimensional Human is Kurt's explaination of the planes, the need to develop/strengthen the various bodies (astral, mental, causal, etc) in order to visit and navigate those planes, and also the development of the tools for interacting there and/or bringing back the experience by translating it in a way the waking mind can understand.  I'm always surprised that more people haven't read it.  Kurt's experiences with guides etc on the higher planes falls very much in line with Frank's.  You can read many of his adventures on his website.

Kurt really emphases dream analysis as a means of  receiving messages from your soul's perspective, and I have subsequently gotten into this in a big way.

After reading his 'Crash Course on Dream Analysis' (the best I have ever come across - and I was a psychology major) I have really worked on learning my metaphoric dream language which helps one to translate dream experiences/messages and to get an idea of progress.  For those who are dismissing much of their dream content I highly recommend this quick read.....http://www.kurtleland.com/dream-interpretation/crash-course.  

Bashar has an excellent short talk on this as well regarding how the dream happens all at once (outside of time), that we must then extract it into a sequence, and figure out the meaning of the metaphors we have applied in order to bring it in.  Bashar is channelled by Darryl Anka -  http://youtu.be/6T5ZLdD7Pkw

Looking forward to sharing and participating here.

 47 
 on: July 21, 2014, 04:29:53 
Started by Lostlight2013 - Last post by Szaxx
An interesting re-visit.
The only applicable word is collateral, it fits in with that dense energy cloud you could feel.
To sharpen your senses you need to recall your exact frame if mind and emotional balance with the depth of your physical to non physical awareness.
Try to obtain the feel of your percieved environment at the time of the 'message'.
By matching this and developing a hold, you'll be receptive far longer.
The usual fear, excitement and over analysing may inhibit this, a few attempts will endeavour to match the initial and second visitation.
 Spoken words are far less of use in comparison to telepathic communications.
If you're unfamiliar with this mode of communication, it may limit the choices to single words.
There's a 'feel factor' with every entity. Recall this in more detail so it becomes natural and instinctive. I'm sure you have noticed in the NP that the initial few seconds of being aware this feel factor instantly tells you what to expect.
As you were focussing on whatever for those later 5 attempts, perhaps to not focus would be better. The main problem with focus is it needs consistency and any changes surrounding you will instigate an analysis of what's changing. This can be a negative as analysis is usually referenced to something physical world orientated. This brings your thoughts back in many cases. To treat everything you percieve as if it was wallpaper, it's there and doesn't require any reactions, will get you deeper into the required mindstate. Mentally humming a mantra may help. This will get you deeper in and if you succeed you'll know it instantly.


 48 
 on: July 21, 2014, 03:51:35 
Started by Lostlight2013 - Last post by Lostlight2013
So i posted about a week ago about an experience that happened with me where i was givin a message is a clear and audible tone while i was drifting asleep one morning, the message that came to me was "Exalt!"

At first i was frightened, which is what lead me to this forum page, I've been on the astral projection page for some time now. One of the moderators on this page gave me a different angle to view the situation which i thank you for! Now i'm looking for a little advice on how to sharpen my senses?

I had another visit last night, this one was much less terrifying. I was laying down day dreaming about a fictional story i've been wanting to write, so i was following the charecters I created in whatever adventures they found themselves in, i was slowly drifting asleep. Then the same loud directive voice spoke to me which snatched me back to the waking state, however this time i couldn't make out what was said! All i know is it starts with a C, ends with an L and sounded like 1 word. I don't even know if it was in English. After i tried to put the word together but failed, i spoke out loud, "I can't understand what you said, i need to you to be more clear and use English next time."

However also, this experience had an interesting twist. First of all, after i was spoken to and brought back to the waking state, i felt this...fog...like energy basically caked over me. It wasn't scary...or exciting...i could just FEEL it all around me. Then i was brought into a fit of close OBE's (Out of Body Experiences). I mean, i was catching myself almost leaving my body every 5 minutes. Every time i'd just let go and   mentally allow myself to let the experience happen, id either start drifting out and instinctively focus on it or i'd literally start drifting asleep and feel myself either being dragged out or sucked out (Both instances happened). It wasn't scary or anything...i just honestly wish i would have made it out so i could speak with this being that seems interested in my development.

Needless to say, i didn't sleep much last night...maybe 2 hours total BUT....for whatever reason, i'm not tired at all. I feel completely energized, like i got a full nights sleep. Any suggestions?   


 49 
 on: July 21, 2014, 02:23:08 
Started by luffy28 - Last post by luffy28
Again I was successful without moving, and I felt a little electric shock / some vibrations, but couldn't stay awake. Also the next time I awoke was when I felt that the technique was working I couldn't stay focused / couldn't focus on my indirect technique / visualization.

It worked like this I awoke at 7:30am this morning then I awoke later and tried separating. Didn't work so I awoke the next time and I missed the part about not moving, but cycled through indirect techniques. One of them worked and then I felt the electric shock / little vibrations and couldn't focus on the technique / visualization. I don't know if I'm supposed to feel movement or just go more with the visualization. Next time I'm going to try to go through feeling the actual movement of the indirect technique then just doing the visualization.

The technique that I was stuck on / couldn't focus on was a technique I made up called "flying like Goku". It's where he's moving like he's attacking the bold character in this clip. The part where Goku is in red was the way I was visualizing / trying to imagine to move. It felt like it was working, because my body felt like it had little electric shocks / shaking / vibrations, but when I tried to further it I quit or was tired.

Code:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRmFsLzO094

 

Also I had a dream that felt like I was watching a movie either in between these two or before or after it. I felt the dream was so irrelevant that I couldn't / won't write it down. It felt like watching a live TV report or watching a live concert on TV.

Could someone give me some advice on how to stay awake long enough to stay with the indirect techniques?

 50 
 on: July 20, 2014, 21:52:22 
Started by modbarq - Last post by Xanth
The many labels we use only describe the way you access the non-physical (Dream, Lucid Dream, OBE, AP, Remote Viewing, etc).
It's like describing the different ways you can get into your car.

You could:
Jump through the window feet first...
Jump through the window butt first...
Open the door and sit down normally (BORING)...
Open the door and do a back flip into the seat...
Etc...

That's really all that the many labels people use describe. The HOW you got into your car.  They DO NOT denote what kind of experience you're having.  You can only experience. 

Even "what" you experience is of a secondary property, in my opinion.  Are you experiencing something self created or something not being created by you.  Don't get this confused with "interpretation".  Everything you experience must be interpreted by your consciousness in order to make sense to your consciousness.  But that's not the same as something being created BY you compared to something being created FOR you.

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