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 on: December 16, 2014, 18:13:09 
Started by Shugi Shugi - Last post by Xanth
How does the jogger who is jogging around non-stop looking for "rest", find it?  He just stops.  To the jogger, he has no clue... he believes he has to continue seeking "rest" in order to find it.

How do you "stop"... you just stop.

 on: December 16, 2014, 17:28:01 
Started by Shugi Shugi - Last post by Szaxx
It's a test of your resolve.
Nothing more, you need to accept it for what it is, a test of your inner fears.
That's about it.

 on: December 16, 2014, 14:55:37 
Started by aura - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
You also have the potential to be clairaudient. I heard random voices before my gift developed just prior to my initiation.  Sometimes you will hear voices in background sounds... furnace fans are great, but also running water, and wind work as well. focus on hearing the voices imbedded in these natural sounds if you want to develop the gift. Be aware though the first sounds and voices you will hear are begin generated by your mind. You also need to learn focus so that you don't face a constant barrage of noise. Learning to control the ability is just as important as it's development.

I wasn't always in a hypgogic state when I heard random voices initially. It was most often when working night shift.

 on: December 16, 2014, 14:51:13 
Started by darksidessj25 - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
OKay I'm not commenting on the experience but I will talk a bit about the tarot divination. The book is just a guide with the tarot cards. It's only to give you the traditional meaning or the author's variation of the card's interpretation. That interpretation is not the meaning of the card in the reading. You need to scry and intuit the reading as well as understanding the card's basic meaning. The intuitive meaning or a scryed vision with the card will give you a far more accurate meaning. When I was working with tarot I found the celtic cross spread to be way too unfocused. Readings work much better if you do a highly focused inquiry rather than a big general spread... just because it's popular doesn't mean it's best.

This goes for any form of canned divination like I ching and rune readings.

 on: December 16, 2014, 14:50:46 
Started by Shugi Shugi - Last post by Shugi Shugi
Stop worrying about it.  Smiley

 on: December 16, 2014, 14:42:09 
Started by AstralPrincess - Last post by Bluefirephoenix
When I was having problems with thoughtforms right after initiation, I was told to handle them by diverting my attention from them. They were loud obnoxious and sometimes obscene. The persistent patient attention diversion starves them of energy. It's a little difficult at first. Focus of your attention on what you want rather than what's demanding your attention at the time is an essential skill for astral projection as well

 on: December 16, 2014, 12:21:23 
Started by Lysear - Last post by Szaxx
I don't think so, your name was given repeatedly and some connection was made. It didn't make sense and still doesn't. This was last week.
It's possible you may have one of those crystal clear experiences that'll put things into perspective.

Most of these knowings play out eventually.

 on: December 16, 2014, 07:58:05 
Started by sqprx - Last post by Kzaal
Here is a prefect example of someone that lost his ego while taking a psychedelic. Mind you it's an extremely rare to totally lose ego in a psychedelic experience. I don't take psychedelics but I think they still have things to teach humanity.

What I pasted here is an exert from a book that can be found here.

It’s from a book Tryptamine Palace: 5-MeO-DMT and the Sonoran Desert Toad by James Oroc

Mind you this is the peak of two psychedelic trips. This is truly transcending the ego. Yet only temporarily as one must return. This is why liberation through meditation and things like astral projection is better in the long run. Enjoy.

“Colors entered my perception in impossible layers as the rate of dissintegration increased in exponential leaps. Any concept of 'time' or relative 'space' fractured into a quadrillion holographic pixels and was carried off along with the rest of manifest existence, in impossibly fast motion by another quadrillion overly-anxious, nano-sized, carnivorous ants. 'I' seemed to travel some immense distance in an instant, or more like a non-instant. My perception at once exploded and imploded infinitely. Matrix/lattice-like color patterns gave birth in non-time to explosions of sparks which were galactic in the inward scope and scale. Simultaneously, these explosions recured, compounded, echoed, moving my consciousness inward and outward in unimaginable magnitude, 'eventually' into the yawning maw of Nothingness. All ability to fathom halted. All sense of 'I' became totally transparant, instantly g-o-n-e. No Self/Ego. Breathing, heartbeat, Earth life, past experience... never existed. Absorbed into the infinite, timeless, all permeating, Singularity; the sheer titanic bliss of the Void. This lasted forever. It was a Death, ummm... what can I possibly call 'It'?. It was a state? The anihilation of experience, actually. Infinite, unmanifest potential. Words do not really work, here...”

“Within the space of a few heartbeats, I had completely expanded into God.  Eyes open in absolute awe and wonder, the room dissolved, my ego dissolved, my entire world dissolved.  Everything I had ever known or thought or felt dissolved away into absolute pure nothingness.  There was nothing to see, nothing to experience, nothing to perceive.  Absolutely pure nothingness.  And this nothingness was pure consciousness.  And it was love.  Infinite love and infinite perfection.  Everything was in a state of divine perfection.  Nothing was out of place.  Nothing was either good or bad.  Nothing was right or wrong.  Everything was simply perfect in this pure consciousness, this pure state of being.  And this state was not a thing.  It was not an object of perception.  It was not a concept.  It was not an emotion.  It was not anything that I could describe in any way.  In fact, when asked later, I vaguely described it as “living starlight,” but even that was not accurate, for in truth, it was nothing.

 But that no-thing was everything.
 It was God.
 And it was my deepest nature.
 I was one with God.

Not my ego self.  That was pretty thoroughly obliterated through the impossibly fast 5-MeO-DMT expansion.  It was not as though I identified my personal sense of self with God.  Rather, it was that the deepest core of my being, not my ego-identity, was identical with God.  As a finite being in a body with a sense of self and identity, I was an expression of God.  At my core, at the very deepest level, my nature as an incarnated being was one with that pure consciousness, that infinite love, that infinite source of creative energy in which all things exist in absolute and unquestionable perfection.  In those few heartbeats, this beautiful and sacred medicine had opened me up to the All.  I had accepted my own divinity.

“Thank you, God!” I called out as my hands reached up towards that infinite expanse of nothingness, a few moments after the hit of psychedelic medicine flowed out of my lungs.  Eyes wide open, gaping in sheer awe at the mysterium tremendum, I embraced God, and the embrace was returned.”

Really cool, and this state is true, I've had my past with drugs and all I can say is that theses experiences often give us the perspective of truly being without ego.
It's very simple because when you're high like that, you drop everything else and concentrate only on the experience. But all you see is a reflection of what you see in real life. You drop the ego and see everything clearly as they are. I've seen manifestations and signs of the truth about our universe a couple of times while high and every time when I came back, I wished I'd go back. Like literally thousands of signs where I see how everything is in perfect balance, even with all the wars and every thing that would make someone immediately turn back and tell me I'm crazy and say that I'm stupid to think the world is balanced with all that stuff. Yet I've had those signs thrown at me so hard it would hit em and leave em with the jaw opened, or seeking for the closest asylum.
If you let go the ego, and any thoughts about yourself, others and judging... all that stuff that makes you struggle, and that you feel like you have no control over because you're so used to it that it has became natural. If all that goes away, you'll feel exactly the same as this guy (appart from maybe the hallucinations) you'd feel ecstatic everyday.
If no one would talk to you, you would make your own perception.
If someone is dropped in our world, and nobody tells him about war and he's in a rich country with all the stuff he wants, he's gonna be in that ecstatic state for sure. He'd feel like he was in paradise everyday.

The problem is even if everything is perfect, there's always someone that will complain about it, and another one will listen to him and eventually you have thousands of people who don't like their paradise for a reason or another.

That's why I try to make my own opinion before trusting someone else's.
Rumours are annoying too because they implant a false statement in your head.

 on: December 16, 2014, 06:45:55 
Started by aura - Last post by Stillwater
Probably a hypnogogic trance. You can hear all sorts of things that are likely just produced by your brain; it is a similar effect to when you are drifting off to sleep, and end up in that twilight. I wouldn't worry too much about it.

 on: December 16, 2014, 06:21:40 
Started by AstralPrincess - Last post by desert-rat
All , or most of us unconsciously create thought forms . I guess it is possable that is what is making your noise , but my guess would be more like some thing else . My guess would more a critter or the wind .  If you think its a thought form , you can visualize it being filled with white light and cammand that its energy be returned to the earth . 

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