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 41 
 on: January 26, 2015, 05:01:20 
Started by sheriff_rango - Last post by Szaxx
OK you appear to have found the distractions that play on your mind. Your quest is only in doing one thing even though there are other ways to achieve it. You don't think clearly enough to recognise them.
Afterwards when awake you then see the difference. Its that doh! moment.
I was tested on this exact thing long ago, it taught me to look at the 'posed inconvenience' from many angles. It also showed clearly that lateral thinking is worth it's weight in gold.
Looking at a featureless wall and wanting a door to escape, you can't break it using anything including dynamite, so you draw a door on the wall and it opens.
That sort of thinking works. In the physical mindset you'll search for your requirements, in the NP mindset you CREATE the requirement. It takes some learning, trust me on that one .
Remember who you are then solve the riddle. It wakes you from the distraction and enables you to see with your mind.

 42 
 on: January 26, 2015, 04:43:26 
Started by Szaxx - Last post by Szaxx
A little patience may be all that's required Sherrif.
The subconscious plays a part in any exit technique. Its allowing it to do its thing.

Let's start with everyone's perceptions when already relaxed. Those last discomforts sorted and your body is going numb.
At this point the body is still in focus and you may have that lead blanket feel coming on. Keeping very still the backdrop of vision is a grainy blackness. If you look forwards into the distance a brighter patch of light may be seen. This can be perceived as an eye of sorts, no definition in particular, its a squashed looking circle with rough edges. I've noticed it many times attempting to match it to something. A 20 foot deep hole in the ground seems to fit best.
Sometimes there's noises present, a slight rushing wind or perhaps chips cooking background noise with the occasional ping or bell type of sound. Any physical noises will create a ping here and can sound greatly magnified in volume. As you go deeper the visuals start and patches of light appear, these can have a blurry recognisable shape but they don't form into anything. The noises increase too, at times these are recognisable. Most of the time they're similar to many people talking at once and mixed up so the occasional word can be made out. Pink noise at a low volume seems to increase them, not sure if anyone has noticed this. The body bethatsensed is  mostly your head. If you get SP or vibes its worth mentioning when they start. I don't get either so can't help with them.
When the trance state gets to where you are only aware of being in your head and physical world sounds are no longer perceived is the stopping point for now.
At times shouts are heard and doors slamming shut just before this stage. Interesting to hear how many variations there are, they don't seem to be connected to any thoughts generally. You can influence sounds to appear with concentration, these will be next in line to discuss. Visuals at this point can be very clear. They may appear to be on a giant TV screen for some, normally seen in front of you. Also scenes can be created here relatively easily, if you use tactile senses its here when the interaction starts to respond and the associated visual exercise begins to work in your favour.
The rope method etc is included with the above, before this point any success will be interesting to hear about especially if it's interactive with full physical body senses still being apparent.

Your experiences up to the point where the imagery surrounds you needs expanding. Let's see what different methods are revealing that are common to most.

 43 
 on: January 26, 2015, 03:17:29 
Started by Szaxx - Last post by sheriff_rango
Nice addition sheriffR.
You have added another thing based on the whole topic. That is things that recur. The noises certainly do and consistently too. Sights do too, these are far more complex. To fix these you awareness needs increasing a little. Not too much or you'll lose the trance.

How would I go about this? Maybe not try to read the words and let it play out?
I can't figure out how I could make an entry into a book. It could change if I wait it out though.
Hmm...



 44 
 on: January 26, 2015, 03:11:39 
Started by sheriff_rango - Last post by sheriff_rango
[Well what I usually do when I get lucid is I run away from whatever I'm doing as fast as I can and everything turns black and its like I'm hurtling through space. Eventually I get dropped into a new scene. So I should probably have done that?  To be honest I forgot about that option. ]

Did you really forget?
This is showing your self awareness isn't as high as it has been in previous experiences.
Perhaps this test took that memory away, you'd have no recall of this trick at all. When you pass the test, these lost memories suddenly appear again. You actually know they were removed too.

Definitely on the right track and doing fine.


 It just didn't occur to me at all. Like I said, I've been focusing on the scene I awaken in and I guess I've gotten out of the habit. Also, I think I got a bit bogged down in looking for the door and it shrunk my mind a little.


 45 
 on: January 26, 2015, 01:59:04 
Started by DreamRider - Last post by Lucidityman
Hi

Hmmmm....  in my opinion your first serious task should be not to have task, just let it happen and adapt to what is being given to you.Then again having a goal in mind is thumbs up.Always good to have a goal.I would say learn to exit the body, if you don't exit you cant have a obe. Learn your body the sensations, learn what triggers vibes.When you get vibes like you did, you have about 5 seconds to do it or your moment of opertunity is gone.So when you get vibes, react right away , any which way, just get your ass of the bed like PRONTO MR.  smiley

Your spirit guild will find you.Spirit guides are not like a click a button and their they are. Sometimes they are around other times you can yell their name and nothing. I think how I learned and I learned from keeping things simple, not expect anything, and making mistakes. I learned by curiosity , lets see what happens if I do this..  learned don't do that again. That ended the obe instantly..good to know.

As for a noob..  do and practice what feels comfortable with you. I know people want to experience everything all at once when out , I did, but it comes down to your own body, learn the bodies sences,feelings.. focus like he said.  like in the beginning you are all aware,tence,excited that I am standing here on my front lawn, I feel no temp standing in the snow.. after doing it a bunch of times, you tend to shed this oh my god I am here, its actually happened.. it becomes more of a relaxed , lean against the tree smoke a obe ciggerette.. its a progression.

you are well on your way to doing it.. I think the best thing you can do is not try to hard..just let it happen.Oh and be quicker on your exit when you have vibes.

 46 
 on: January 26, 2015, 00:37:22 
Started by DreamRider - Last post by DreamRider
Thank you for your answers.
I will try to use affirmations and focus to make my AP last longer. Today I almost went "out" but vibrations ended suddenly and I fell asleep straight into a non-lucid dream.

Hmm, any tips as to what should be my first serious task ? I feel it would be easier for me if I had a goal to focus on. But what would be a good goal for a newbie ? Something like "contact your guide" is something I really want to do, but it feels like it may too much for the first objective. Opinions ?

 47 
 on: January 26, 2015, 00:30:27 
Started by tesla1 - Last post by Kzaal
Hi Tesla, I'll try to answer the question about 3rd eye opening too early as much as possible.
I don't think there's a wrong time to open your 3rd eye too early, unless you have no clue of what chakras are and at a party you decide to use psychotic hallucinogens like LSD or something really strong which would indulge you into a series of hallucination "waking up" your 3rd eye.
Unfortunately at that party you might loose your mind because you were in no way prepared for what you would see.
Here I say might because it may just open your 3rd eye and end up just being a bad trip...
But, usually how chakras work is that if one is opened the others will try to open too, so it will try to balance.
It may take years before you end up actually balancing the chakras, unfortunately some people may end up with sever case of schizophrenia (like the guy at the party lol).
If you force your 3rd eye to open "naturally" (without taking any substances) then you will basically trigger all your chakras to open.
How I see it however is that there is no right or wrong time to open your 3rd eye, it just happens the moment it was supposed to, even if it doesn't seem to be the right time.
If you open your 3rd eye too much, your root chakra will try to take over in order to balance your vision.
When you open your 3rd eye, you will see things differently... It doesn't mean that you will hallucinate or anything. You perceive things differently, that's pretty much it.
You might notice things you wouldn't had otherwise. Unless your chakra is purposely overdeveloped then you shouldn't have any problems.

Hope that helps.

 48 
 on: January 25, 2015, 22:44:21 
Started by DreamRider - Last post by Lucidityman
Hi

Kind of make it a habbit to walk away from the body in bed as soon as possible.Create distance between your obe body and the physical body.If you hang around the physical body it just might suck you back in again.

To make ep's last longer.. you can start out by saying every 15 seconds "clarity now"..just keep checking how your obe body is doing.How do you feel, relaxed and calm or do you feel like any second now its going to end.. feel like you are in a hurry,nervouse.. Over time you learn to live in your environment..you get used to your suroundings.

As for powers.. why don't you just use them.Jump in the air and see what happens.. Using your mind to create things takes focus,work..thats something I would say stay away from for now. Work on flying and walking through objects like tables,doors,walls. Just walk up to a door or wall and press your obe body against it. After a few seconds of resistence, just chill right out and you will slide through the wall feelinglessly..LOL is that a word.

Yes, your experience can feel so vivid that you think you are in the real world and that can then lead or prevent you from interacting with in your ep environment. Example, when I obe I leave the front door.I actually hold onto the front door so it don't slam shut and wake my parents up at night. It makes no real sence, but you are doing it because of how you precieve your environment.So maybe the first thing you should do is do a reality check.To show the mind that it feels real,looks real, but its not real. That should help you with trying to fly also and walk through walls.

 49 
 on: January 25, 2015, 22:23:06 
Started by tesla1 - Last post by Lucidityman
Hi Tesla

If you can feel your arms and legs then maybe change the position you lie in bed. I find it a lot harder to separate when I am on my back.Try lieing on your side because this way your hands or legs will naturally try and fall out of your body just from the position.Take a patio slab for example when the slab is flat on the ground it hard to lift straight up. If the same slab is on its side it naturally wants to fall over.Think of your body like that when you try and separate. Ideally what you want to do is to have your inner obe body fall out of the pshyical frozen shell of your body.

As for the camera, you are right it did not work. The reason it should of worked is that cell phones,digital cameras,cam corders, people are able to capture ghosts on our modern technology we have. So the security camera should of worked.

Ever think that when you use headphone and sound to obe that the very thing that got you to this stage is what is preventing you from a full exit? I say this because you are doing things correctly, but their is something that is preventing you from exiting. Its can be your position, it can be the head phones in your ears. The thing with exiting the body is that,if the physical body has any "need" it wont separate. I have a full baldder before and could not exit because my body had a need that I needed to fix first.  Sorry wrote myself in a hole..LOL

 50 
 on: January 25, 2015, 18:01:43 
Started by DreamRider - Last post by Kzaal
Yes it takes a while getting acclimated to the astral realm. I remember I couldn't do anything special at all the first times I did it.
It's like you're asking yourself if you can really do all the stuff people talk about and you're not sure about it.
For me it took a few months to get to the point where I wasn't scared of "disturbing" the peace in the projection.
I was actually scared that it would be forbidden or something but I succeeded and eventually I didn't care anymore.

Staying longer in AP definitely needs more focus, also clearing any fears can help but this is only achieved with practice and facing your fears as they show.
A good way to stay focused is keeping your cool and repeating to yourself to focus.
After a while when you are used enough to AP you'll be able to do it much more often, meaning that your experience in AP'ing will raise exponentially. So you'll be able to face more fears/doubts etc., in less time.
If you do 1-2 AP per month it's hard to face all your fears but with practice you can raise that up to 3 or more per week.
Much faster to experience new things.
Good Luck!

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