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 on: Yesterday at 01:56:49 
Started by PlasmaAstralProjection - Last post by PlasmaAstralProjection
A little trick to help you not move your eyes: try to put your consciousness back in your head. Your point of consciousness is usually between the eyes but it can move. It allows you to be more disconnected from your physical senses which will neutralize your eyes. And it is the proper consciousness movement to attain a deep state. Practice staying at the center of your head, as if you backed up from your face, inside your head. Then watch the lights they'll come way faster and will stay if you don't move your eyes or get too surprised. Another trick is to look ''past them'' as if you were looking at something behind the light spots. Don't put too much of your attention on them! Good luck!
Luckily I have done quite a bit of meditation so I know what it's like to move my consciousness to the middle of my head and other places. I'll keep trying. In fact I'm gonna go and try right now.

 62 
 on: Yesterday at 01:22:01 
Started by IsayWhaat - Last post by soki
Isaywhat, yes realising that your fears can't harm you, that you can't be in any kind of real danger should be enough for you to overcome them. Even if you see a representation of your fears tonight, if you know it can't do a single thing to you, it will disappear.You have to not care about it just tell yourself in your head:''All right it's enough go away I'm not scared of any of this at all anymore!''. Use affirmations to state it and be affirmative. Believe what you are thinking.

 63 
 on: Yesterday at 01:15:12 
Started by PlasmaAstralProjection - Last post by soki
You don't have to wait to see patterns in the black behind your eyes. When I put my attention on the black in front of me I can almost instantly see fume patterns, an area that's just a little less black than the other. It really is nothing but it makes me fix my attention, it produces the right consciousness movement. As I kind of watch in front me (I'm just being a little curious, or my physical eyes will try to move) the little paler spots become swirling fume, really almost unnoticeable. But I fix my attention on it. Then I begin seeing flashes of light, as I am not moving my physical eyes. These lights are taking form in my head no need to move the eyes to focus on them. After a while watching them I can begin have images forming in my head and I keep on with the visualisation I let images flow. I use this technique of which Frank spoke to reach further relaxation. It helps me reach the mini-dream stage quicker, but I rely more on visualisation to have an AP. You'll see as you watch those light flashes there will be more and 2 at the time, you can begin to feel dizzy, and feel vibrations or any other thing. Just ignore it, you have to want to go past all that, these sensations are only an obstacle between you and AP if you put your attention on them. Images will begin to form in your head and as you watch them you will feel closer to the scene after each one. Allow yourself to go towards sleep but maintain the images and you won't believe it when you will be back in your body after having phased somewhere. You won't have missed a single moment. One second you're watching those images in your head, lying in your bed (even if you don't think at all about that), and the second after you're standing up somewhere. Just to come back in your bed. And you didn't lose consciousness in the process, you have everything in memory. It's quite impressive! As I said in my other post the only AP I really had like this without missing a single moment was with a low awareness and it only lasted 3 seconds because my physical arm reacted to what I was doing and it pulled me back. I didn't feel a single thing.I was in my bed, then there, then in my bed. Keep working on it!

A little trick to help you not move your eyes: try to put your consciousness back in your head. Your point of consciousness is usually between the eyes but it can move. It allows you to be more disconnected from your physical senses which will neutralize your eyes. And it is the proper consciousness movement to attain a deep state. Practice staying at the center of your head, as if you backed up from your face, inside your head. Then watch the lights they'll come way faster and will stay if you don't move your eyes or get too surprised. Another trick is to look ''past them'' as if you were looking at something behind the light spots. Don't put too much of your attention on them! Good luck!

 64 
 on: Yesterday at 01:12:41 
Started by IsayWhaat - Last post by PlasmaAstralProjection
Definitely keep  medication as the last resort, but it won't be necessary, I am pretty sure.
That is basically what I said.

 65 
 on: Yesterday at 01:04:17 
Started by IsayWhaat - Last post by BranStark
I must disagree with you on this. I take medication and it helps me greatly. And yet I am still practicing to astral project. Now obviously medication isn't my first choice I would rather be off of it but I do much better on it. Now that isn't to say that IsayWhaat needs medication. He may be just fine without it. But what I am saying is that if we can't help him then he really should get on some medication to help. BTW I don't feel drugged at all, I feel like myself. Also IsayWhaat  you don't have to take the full amount of any medication if it works for you at half the dose then do that. I have half the medicine that is prescribed and I do just fine.


Again good luck.
If your medication si helping you, then there is no reason to change it. I definitely do not recommend anyone stop taking medication. hat would be dangerous! But... if you are taking pills prescribed for mental issues reasons (because you told the doctors about your NP experiences), then I don't think you really need them. If you actually are taking these, then it is helping you because you believe so. If you are taking them for a different reason associated with mental health, then it might be a different case.

 66 
 on: Yesterday at 00:59:21 
Started by PlasmaAstralProjection - Last post by PlasmaAstralProjection
I think that with the technology we have presently and the ones that are going to appear in the 10-15 years, there won't be that necessity of ending the suffering.

I've read a lot of stuff online about the singularity and all the technology we will have by 2025-2035. There will be medicine that will rejuvenate your body, and I think that by then assisted suicide and stuff like that just won't be needed anymore. No one knows exactly what is going to happen in singularity and they are just speculations, but I strongly believe that medicine will be innovated to a point where we can easily repair our bodies and our inner organs in case of a failure.

So people will probably just die of age and no longer of sickness or illness, they will either die of age or not die at all.
Now is it moral? is it good or is it bad? Should we actually die or stay alive eternally? THAT is the question.

Suicide will no longer have it's place by 2035...
Implants will take place, people with mental illness will be followed closely in their thoughts to make sure they don't give up to the bad ones and I think either everyone will start feeling happier or we're gonna face our own destruction.

Personally, now, I still have no point of view on these things. I'm not sure if it's any good or any bad, because we have no idea of telling what's really going to happen. These are based on predictions made by scientists in the domain... I don't feel like mind control would be a great idea, far from it. But this is due to happen one way or the other... Otherwise we'll end by destroying all computers which I don't think will ever happen.

Sure there's probably lots of people who will kill themselves because they can't bear the information or the technology advancing so quickly. But it's like that, humans are not the same as animals trying to evolve, they CONSTANTLY need that evolution state where they have new products or new technology to ease their lives.
Even myself, even if I would love to just throw everything out the window and go live far away in a temple or something like this being alone with my thoughts, it's never going to happen, I'm just too used to this technology. Everyday I connect. So is billions of people...

So now, suicide vanishing... Easier way of life, if possibly, not mind controlled, happiness forever and the medicine to live your life longer and healthy... I could see a good point in there, being more intelligent(with implants) is one of those...
A few things. One no doctor will be able to look at ones thoughts with such a technology unless the person lets them do it. That would be an infringement on their privacy.  And I am betting that a lot of people will not have such mind reading technologies used on them since they don't want people looking at what they are thinking much less the government or doctors. Now many will allow doctors to look at there thoughts but many for a long time won't do it. And nobody can force this on them in any civilized nation.

Singularity is a theory. It still has to be proven. But with that I to look forward to such a day hopefully within my lifetime. I read about transhumanism and the power of technology for our minds, and bodies. In fact I think one day science will lead the path for anyone to astral project if they want.

Until they can totally manage suffering to a very high degree suicide will be the best option for many of them if they so choose. So first thing is first. Let's stand for the truth to end suffering when it's unethical.

 67 
 on: Yesterday at 00:58:03 
Started by IsayWhaat - Last post by BranStark
So, you're practically saying that I have to beat myself in this game? So, it's all me? And I beat it by stopping the fear? And when I beat fear, then what? I will keep dreaming normally? I will be lying in bed wide awake and paralysed waiting for SP to end? Point is, even if I can beat fear, it's not fear what messes me up. It's the fact that I can't distinguish things anymore. It use to be normal dreams, lucid dreams and sleep paralysis. But now, there are no normal dreams, there are no lucid dreams, even sleep paralysis isn't the same. I started dreaming everything inside my room. I dream normal dreams inside my room, I dream having sleep paralysis, I dream of being lucid (again starting inside my room), hell I even dream of waking up. How do I sort those out, because "feeling the difference" just isn't enough. I can't make the difference. Imagine that I'm a first grader and I'm trying to understand multiplying. My brain can't comprehend the difference while I'm in that state of dreaming, not until I wake up.

I started reading about Astral projection and OOBE on this forum and everything that you can do when sleep paralysis kicks in, but it's all so confusing I'm not really understanding it. And the fact I keep experiencing different sleep paralysis and dreams isn't helping at all. Guess my first step should be beating the fear. You made it sound so damn easy. I'm actually questioning myself right now, what the hell kept me from beating that fear alone. Thank you for clearing that it's me who's making all this mess.

Yes, it is just you. When you beat the fear, then you will be in complete control. You can do as you wish then. I don't know if you can stop having APs, but if that is what you wish, than you probably can. But if you want to learn something new and great, then you have a great opportunity to start exploring non-physical realms. I wish it was happening that naturally to me as well. And it will most likely be fun this time. And meaningful. Not saying that this situation you are currently in is not meaningful. It probably is happening for a purpose, to teach you something. Most likely it is associated with those fear issues, I woluld say.

I understand you are confused by all the new experiences but do you really need do distinguish between the dreams? Take the experience as it comes. You will get used to it, don't worry. It may stressful now but the so called false awakening, for instance, is nothing rare and nothing to fear. I would say be patient and by gaining more experience, you will start sorting things out.


Yes, I would definitely want to avoid medication. I hate being sick and they would only remind me of hospital. Further on, I'm not really a person that can go and share love and smiles. Don't get me wrong, I'm not depressed or anything, but can't I just try and be peaceful. Can't I dominate the fear? Isn't there any other way to push fear away? Isn't a simple realization that I cannot be harm and staying calm enough to overcome the fear? It really was a mess last few weeks, but I didn't know what was going on at the time. Or do I really have to try and boost all these nice feelings; love, happiness, enlightenment, etc. to beat the fear?

Definitely keep  medication as the last resort, but it won't be necessary, I am pretty sure.
You may boost it, I would say it is worth the try, you cannot know you cannot do it until you have tried. The same applies to meditation, tryit and see what happens. And as Xanth pointed out, you don't need to live an ascethic life or something, a few minutes a day is enough. You will soon start noticing a huge difference in how calm and at peace you suddenly are in comparison with what it used to be. And I really recommend you try it. And a little advice, while meditating (doesn't matter which meditation type you choose but I would almost bet you are going to try the most common one - focusing on breathing and letting othr thoughts go) don't push it, just let the thoughts come and go, don't try to push them away with force, unless you want to get frustrated. This is the most common mistake that unexperienced meditators make and that's why people keep saying - I cannot meditate, I cannot focus etc.

But no, it is not necessary. The onl necessity for you is to realise you are in complete control. Then you can start from there and develop your own "rituals" on how you can cope with things. These are just exapmles of what works for me and/or other people. But every individual is different and so you are welcome to be creative and develop methods of your own.

 68 
 on: Yesterday at 00:48:29 
Started by PlasmaAstralProjection - Last post by PlasmaAstralProjection
What's another way?
I'm honestly asking... these days I sometimes find it difficult to STOP thinking "consciousness"-first.
Also check out this link bellow. IMO the best expiation for NDE's that are in hell and those that are in heaven is best explained by the bodies biochemistry at the time of death IMO. The reason why is is because psychedelics and the frame of mind someone is in easily determine what type of experience one will have in the spirit world with the psychedelic. I have read of heavenly experiences and very very hellish experiences all made by a psychedelic. So IMO the bodies biochemistry has a lot to do with it, right along with one's beliefs and emotions. I may be wrong I don't know. But denying these experiences isn't helping the astral community to understand them.

Near Death Experiences That Take Place in Hell
http://www.erinpavlina.com/blog/2013/12/near-death-experiences-that-take-place-in-hell/

 69 
 on: Yesterday at 00:32:02 
Started by PlasmaAstralProjection - Last post by PlasmaAstralProjection
What's another way?
I'm honestly asking... these days I sometimes find it difficult to STOP thinking "consciousness"-first.
Well I think that if one is having a hellish experience at the end of their life, having been suffering to their last dying breath there is most defiantly a chance that they could end up projecting those fears into the astral. I have read NDE's where people were in dark places and they were scared to death. Some seeing daemons or having their life-force sucked out of them. Now whether those things actually happened is up to debate for all intents and purposes to them they actually experienced hell. Some report being in a place of pure suffering. Again whether they would end up staying in such a place for a long time is up to debate. But not everyone projects into heavenly realms or even the RTZ.

I read a book by an atheist named Howard Storm that died and when he died he talked about being in the RTZ and how it even had the classical blueish tint to it. Then there were these beings there that he thought were hospital staff and they lead him into a portal and took him to a very dark place. Whenever he would protest and say "where are you taking me?" these wicked beings would say mean things. Like "shut up we are almost there." Eventually he found himself all alone in a dark and very scary place. And he said that he isn't going any further. Then they punched him, and they call ganged up on him. And the more Howard fraught back the more they love it, and fought back even harder. IMO what they really wanted was to feed off of Howard anger and sadness. It wasn't so much that they wanted to punch him, but rather they wanted to get negative emotions out of Howard. After being tormented for what seemed like eternity, as time was very much dilated in such a place, they left. And he was completely devastated to the bone of his being.

Now I am totally convinced that the place Howard Storm went to is the same place that Szaxx calls the bad lands.

Then Howard called out to Jesus since singing a song. Then Jesus came and pulled him out of that place. Now I am not going to debate whether it was really Jesus or not. As far as I am concerned it was some sort of very high being that might have manifested to Howard as Jesus in order to help him and relate to Howard. Then having been pulled out of hell Howard talked to some beings of light among other things. He even asked which is the best religion. But they replied "the religion that brings you closest to God."

Accounts such as these make me realize that some people don't make it to the upper realms, at least not easily. Howard didn't make it since he was deceived by beings that were mean and had the look of plastic on their face, as if they were trying to hide their true nature.

In the end I just have my doubts. I know many astral projectors have never experienced the bad lands. But IMO we must learn about something from those that have had first hand accounts, not those that have never seen such a thing.

 70 
 on: Yesterday at 00:01:14 
Started by IsayWhaat - Last post by PlasmaAstralProjection
I think what Xanth prescribed will go a long way right along with learning to love yourself more intimately.

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