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 61 
 on: March 20, 2017, 14:54:00 
Started by PlasmaAstralProjection - Last post by Nameless
This has been a great conversation. I know I haven't been here much, my apologies.

I really like what Stillwater had to say. Ive often asked myself what makes people think we are all that? It is highly possible and very likely we are just a minor part of all that. By evolutionary standards being racist is a stubborn emotional response that humans seem not to be able to dump. I think that would automatically make US the lesser evolved of all the species if we are the last hold out on a dying concept. But then again, I am just rambling here and offering my thoughts rather than any hard-core beliefs.

I really liked Xanth's post too demonstrating the tub of water. Each dip in the tub would clearly show that we CAN bring back many memories that truly were NOT part of our own experience but we may remember it well due to that one drop of someone else's experience. Multiple drops = multiple past life experiences. This subject confounds me as well as with all the combined exp I have had it seems I would be drawn to the idea of past lives but I'm not.

But I have tapped into past lives, I've just never been sure they were mine or just a part of my awareness. So, did I live them or didn't I, your guess is as good as mine.

Are there racist over there in the NP? Good question and the only answer I have for you is that that fully depends on how evolved (spiritually) those others you meet in the NP are themselves. Not every one you meet there is on a 'spiritual path', many have no clue they are even there and many more are only there temporarily (as in dreaming) so this particular question is the last thing on their minds. Many are not even lucid over there and those that are have bigger fish to fry.

 62 
 on: March 20, 2017, 13:14:15 
Started by grrla - Last post by Subtle Traveler
By "mastering" I mean: being familiar with the technique and having it working almost every times

My main goal is to know why the process of life, and to go to melt in "the one" (if it does indeed exist)_ so I guess etheric plane is not for me, but if it is a great start to go the astral, why not ?
And if it can help me to get money and women, it would be a great (but somehow futile, imo) feature

Having goals is useful. It does help focus. And ... money and women are perfectly valid focuses for physical manifestation ... if that is what you have real "joy" about. However, if you have a mixed vibration about a desire, my personal experience is that manifestation does not flow as easily (and sometimes not at all).

In my own out of body experiences, probably the most significant experience I have had is meeting non-physical guidance. It has created the most opportunities for my own expansion. I met my guide on the etheric level, and she also shows up in many non-lucid dreams.

Overall, my experience personally is that life is rather mysterious (intentionally). There is certainly oneness, but in my own exploration I have consistently found more "inter-connectedness" than oneness. The diversity within the Universe seems to increase the need for inter-connectedness.

 63 
 on: March 20, 2017, 00:26:00 
Started by grrla - Last post by grrla
By "mastering" I mean: being familiar with the technique and having it working almost every times

My main goal is to know why the process of life, and to go to melt in "the one" (if it does indeed exist)_ so I guess etheric plane is not for me, but if it is a great start to go the astral, why not ?
And if it can help me to get money and women, it would be a great (but somehow futile, imo) feature

 64 
 on: March 19, 2017, 22:40:27 
Started by grrla - Last post by Subtle Traveler
I just read the body of light method by Ophiel,
basically, you perform a precise ritual with your physical body, then you sit eyes closed, and then imagine yourself doing it with a body made of thoughts, then you must shift your consciousness to this body (called body of light)

It look like an advanced visualisation (sense of sight) technique, but which also include movement (sense of touch) and speaking (sense of hearing)

It interest me mainly because it seem to be able to do it while in the waking time, and it would make your possibility to project independent of your sleep cycle (more freedom)

Is there anyone who have mastered it ? Or at least tried ?
What do you think of this method ?

Does it make you more tied to eart while projecting this way, since you are somehow copy pasting things from the physical plane?

Not sure what mean by "mastering" ... projecting to our second body (light body) is the basic essence of the out of body experience for an etheric OBE ...

My first projections beyond the body were using Buhlman's target technique with affirmations ... this resulted in an etheric experience where I targeted my light body into another room our home for my initial exit ... in one experience, I created this body by imagining it (using the target technique) and I could see this second body spinning on the other side of my room, because I was still near my sleeping body ...

If imagining or visualizing a body of light helps someone with targeting, then this technique may be the best technique for them ... but in the end it is no different than climbing a rope or ladder, imagining rolling out, etc. The end result is a perceived separation from our physical apparatus (and senses) ...

There are certainly light bodies ... everyone has one ... it is etheric ... this is something I have physically seen myself (with my physical eyes) ... HOWEVER it's a story I am not going to elaborate upon here, but I mention it to share that light (etheric) bodies are real things ... this is something clairvoyants often see (along with auras)

If you wish to experience your light body ... then I can tell you (from experience) that working with the chakras does enhance the odds of your light body becoming your 'target' or the place you end up for your OBE ... it is etheric, if that's the place you want to go ...

This is not to be confused (however) with the aura ... which is a differing vehicle and a bit higher on the energy scale ...

I do not know about Ophiel ... but I do know about Egyptian Alchemy (which is what Jesus and Magdalen used) ... it is simply another way to prepare the light body ... there are lots of choices we have in how to do that (Taoist Practice, Egyptian Sex Magic, and Indian Kundalini).

Personally ... it is my experience that knowing how to charge up the light body is a very useful skill to have while living and extended here in the physical. It's usefulness is not limited to creating etheric-focused OBE's.

 65 
 on: March 19, 2017, 21:25:07 
Started by grrla - Last post by grrla
I just read the body of light method by Ophiel,
basically, you perform a precise ritual with your physical body, then you sit eyes closed, and then imagine yourself doing it with a body made of thoughts, then you must shift your consciousness to this body (called body of light)

It look like an advanced visualisation (sense of sight) technique, but which also include movement (sense of touch) and speaking (sense of hearing)

It interest me mainly because it seem to be possible to do it while in the waking time, and it would make your possibility to project independent of your sleep cycle (more freedom)

Is there anyone who have mastered it ? Or at least tried ?
What do you think of this method ?

Does it make you more tied to eart while projecting this way, since you are somehow copy pasting things from the physical plane?

 66 
 on: March 19, 2017, 20:33:01 
Started by ww - Last post by EscapeVelocity
1- When I first began observing the progression of visual images from a totally relaxed state on the border of sleep such as you are describing, I also was not able to stay immersed for any length of time, say 30 seconds to 3 minutes. I think several issues may be causing this: One is that your awareness needs to learn to stabilize itself to remain immersed; this includes not being overcome with any number of emotions such as fear, excitement, confusion, distraction and frustration, to name the big five. A second issue is the lack of a properly formed Intent. A third issue may be that without a defined Intent, you must be very open to the new environment and what challenge or lesson it may be presenting you. If you fail to perceive the lesson being presented or insist on looking for something else, then the simulation will end and you get shifted back to the Physical wondering what went wrong.

I think this happens frequently in the beginning because we are being gently guided to first learn the basics as I described above. You may wish to go to the RTZ or Frank's F3, but you are simply not ready for that until you learn the basics. So that's why I say be open for whatever the environment is presenting you. Kurt Leland says that you can literally 'ask' the environment what is expected of you and you should get a reply. I never thought to do that until my Talking to the Hand adventure when I called out to an unseen voice saying that "We may not be ready for this" and got the reply "You will have to do the best you can", lol.

2- I have no way to answer this; only you can. Again see #1.

3- If you are describing the onset of what we refer to as the "vibrations", then this is a possible sign that your Intent to have a RTZ obe is actually working. It may take a few tries, but let the vibrations increase and expand until you feel like a helicopter powering up and lifting out. If not the vibes, then it may be some energy sensations that are nonetheless a sign that something is activating...go with it.

4-Don't think of this in Physical Reality terms. By destination you are referring to Intent. So YES, you need a destination -whether it is a person, place, thing or idea/question to explore. I have my techniques to get to the RTZ or F3, but they won't necessarily work for you right now. Go read the blue stickies on the first three Boards and try any of the dozens of techniques available. You are already well on your way with the tech you are describing so far. Form your Intent then ask for it in your mind and keep the request in mind as you switch into a scene, then go with whatever you get.

6- I generally formulate my Intent before attempting a technique and keep it foremost in my mind. Sometimes an Intent will spring forth spontaneously if I find myself already 'out'.

7- I don't know what the 'stray energy stage that Kepple describes' is...if you read through his Phasing Resource, it explains a lot.

 67 
 on: March 19, 2017, 15:11:41 
Started by PlasmaAstralProjection - Last post by desert-rat
W. Bulhman has a number of videos on you tube .  Many of them are interviews where he is talking about  people in there after life .  They will go to parts of the astral plane and join people of the same beliefs ..  I have this image of a group of Archie Bunkers ( yes I did watch the show as a kid )  aruging  with each other . 
One of many
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u3AxkbjNwts

 68 
 on: March 18, 2017, 21:37:47 
Started by fcojosedea - Last post by bungalow
Surely there is many paths
But, xanth, what do you do to "grow your spirituality" ?
I'm being curious

there is meditation (ego), prayer (self), and dance (mind) in their myriad forms. one is becoming a new creation not just a learned individual with hobbies.

well, according to evolution.

 69 
 on: March 18, 2017, 13:16:19 
Started by ww - Last post by ww
Thanks for your message, very interesting.

For me the switch is the moment when your foreground become your background but not necessarily means the moment where one stepping into the scene... maybe some other persons could confirm or infirm our respective views ?

1/ On average, how long do you stay immersed into your scene like your definition of the switch ? Because all my immersions are very short, less than 30s or max 1 minute id say... And each time they happened, i did not do anything or felt any attraction or anything, i just ended immersed without doing anything without witnessing the transition from the 3rd person view to the first person view...

2/ How do you explain i experience always this phase of rambling succession of small scenes without never succeed to step in even during 1hour whereas sometimes i succeed without doing anything (without formulate an intent or anything) to step in in few minutes ? (considering my step in are very short though...)

3/ Sometimes i feel some kind of very delicate, very sensible and strange vibrationss which attracts my attention because sometimes it stops and "his absence appear very weird..." Someone know what i mean here and what it is ? Because moreover the weird thing is i always failed to locate it !

4/ Is it a problem not to have a destination ? Do you know a personal method to go to F3 or RTZ ?

5/ Funny you mention your cartoon based phasing because it happened to me few days ago and was very circumspect about it like you seem to be as it was all made in cartoon texture. Now maybe i have to mention that this was not proper phasing as i did not really step into, i was just witnessing on the screen...

6/ When ypu formulate your intent, when do you do it ? At the beginning of your session or even during the session ?

7/ I used to consider this "phase of rambling succession of small scenes" the stray energy stage Keppel described ? But if i look at my session today i had this stage of rambling succession of small scenes then instantly immersed in one of them few times... So what is your opinion ? Is it the stage Franck describes or not ?

Thanks a lot for you answers guys.

 70 
 on: March 18, 2017, 13:15:27 
Started by ww - Last post by ww
Thanks for your message, very interesting.

For me the switch is the moment when your foreground become your background but not necessarily means the moment where one stepping into the scene... maybe some other persons could confirm or infirm our respective views ?

1/ On average, how long do you stay immersed into your scene like your definition of the switch ? Because all my immersions are very short, less than 30s or max 1 minute id say... And each time they happened, i did not do anything or felt any attraction or anything, i just ended immersed without doing anything without witnessing the transition from the 3rd person view to the first person view...

2/ How do you explain i experience always this phase of rambling succession of small scenes without never succeed to step in even during 1hour whereas sometimes i succeed without doing anything (without formulate an intent or anything) to step in in few minutes ? (considering my step in are very short though...)

3/ Sometimes i feel some kind of very delicate, very sensible and strange vibrationss which attracts my attention because sometimes it stops and "his absence appear very weird..." Someone know what i mean here and what it is ? Because moreover the weird thing is i always failed to locate it !

4/ Is it a problem not to have a destination ? Do you know a personal method to go to F3 or RTZ ?

5/ Funny you mention your cartoon based phasing because it happened to me few days ago and was very circumspect about it like you seem to be as it was all made in cartoon texture. Now maybe i have to mention that this was not proper phasing as i did not really step into, i was just witnessing on the screen...

6/ When ypu formulate your intent, when do you do it ? At the beginning of your session or even during the session ?

7/ I used to consider this "phase of rambling succession of small scenes" the stray energy stage Keppel described ? But if i look at my session today i had this stage of rambling succession of small scenes then instantly immersed in one of them few times... So what is your opinion ? Is it the stage Franck describes or not ?

Thanks a lot for you answers guys.

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