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 on: May 19, 2016, 06:11:55 
Started by Phalanx - Last post by EscapeVelocity
Your added descriptions are now making for a more complete picture of what is going on. I think you are experiencing many of the various effects of Sleep Paralysis and there is a Sticky in the first Board that is required reading for most beginning projectors.

One of my first conscious OBEs also involved vibrations and the propellor sound (a helicopter, in my case).

In your case, you might not have felt the physical paralysis that is normally the key indicator of SP, but that happens to varying degrees for different people; I have had it both ways many times.

SP can involve a broad range of hallucinatory effects- auditory, visual, tactile, emotional... The incredible FEAR that can generate is unmistakable and you will eventually learn that there is an energetic power behind the FEAR which is a signature that you can use to recognize what is going on and respond appropriately.

The response is always to calm yourself and refuse the FEAR. Be calm and just observe, nothing can harm you. It can frighten the crap out of you if you let it, but that's about it. This is a battle that is won or lost within a few seconds at most; you don't get much time to realize that you are in SP and you must immediately exercise control over your emotions.

This is a state or condition that apparently exists at a point where you are IN-BETWEEN the Physical and the Non-Physical Realities and the proximity of your consciousness to your physical body causes these effects and their intensity. It has been likened to a feedback effect as if you left your electric guitar leaning against it's amplifier with the volume turned high.

If you can exit the physical body and move away 15 to 30 feet, the effect diminishes and disappears completely. This also is dependent on the percentage of your awareness that transfers versus what remains behind.

Like Lumaza pointed out, this can be thought of as a test or challenge, to see if you are ready to move into these new realms. I also think it is somewhat a natural phenomenon; it still happens for me at times, even though I have dealt with it long ago and moved on.

I also think that all the material you are hearing/seeing/feeling is pulled from your personal subconscious memories; that is partly why it can be SO effective at throwing you off course; it is literally, personally-designed for you.

You are not the first person to report that when you called for your personal Saviors' protection, the entity simply laughed at you. This is your subconscious telling you that you can't hide from it. It is a tough moment!

You can try a question, but usually the response is gibberish or simply your subconscious toying with you (I wonder if Carl Jung ever had the opportunity?). Embracing the entity with a feeling of Pure Unconditional Love is usually the best answer, so LightBeam may have asked you the best question...

 on: May 19, 2016, 04:14:38 
Started by Phalanx - Last post by Phalanx
The other barrier if I were to attempt to recall I think has been about longer than the strange entity.
The entity came about after some what I labeled at the time bizarre experiences which led me into wanting to do astral projection.

A few years ago I was hit with the vibrations and strange sound that sounded like a planes propeller next to your ear night after night for about a week, fear of this strangeness and some research later led me to astral projections. Once I found out what it was the experiences stopped as I was no longer scared of it but excited at the possibilities. But then this entity began showing up now and recently I thought as I started to go through similar notes that there were two of them but after reading all the notes I think its still just one entity and as I go through different ideas and beliefs it becomes less and less than it was before.

 It started out that I would have easily label it a bad entity as when it used to show up everything goes black and its not really black its literally like nothingness and then just intense fear even if there is nothing to be scared of it is just that stomach sinking feeling and the feeling of being crushed and sucked in with the sound of intense whining mixed with static and when that one made contact it felt like being electrocuted. When that happened I would refuse to go back to sleep at night because that is.. no bueno no no no bueno and that is what caused me to want fight as at the time all you could think about was survival. I do have an earlier note where it did communicate once, out of fear and last ditch effort when it came about I did a plea for god and christ to help and save me as at the time I believed in that sort of thing, and he just laughed at me and something came about it wasn't words necessarily but something was there like a thought, that was like look at him call for his puny gods that don't exist. And I am not trying to bash any religion at the time I believed in that, but I have now since found something that is more fitting for me. It still came about after that and talking to a friend about this they suggested asking it questions and I moved on to questions and it's intensity has never been the same. Back then the dreams wouldn't melt away it would just instantly be nothingness and it would rush me. Now it gradually walks towards me in a slight hastened manner and the dream melts away rather than boom gone. If this is a guide or something as such that is a very bad thing to have done at the start, as I would never ever ever wish that experience on my worst enemy or worst idea of a person imaginable or anything.

The barrier just boggles the mind, as I would never think if could or couldn't do it I would just do it and bounce off it like it was made of rubber and it would leave me confused afterwards and I still go about it the same way now I don't think if I can or cant I just go to do it.

 on: May 19, 2016, 04:05:05 
Started by Xanth - Last post by Xanth
I came across this quote by Adyashanti.  It's something from one of his books, "The End of Your World".

The truth of the matter is that most people who say they want awakening donít actually want to awaken. They want their version of awakening. What they actually want is to be really happy in their dream state. And thatís okay, if thatís as far as theyíve evolved.

But the real, sincere impulse toward enlightenment is something that goes far beyond the desire to make our dream state better. It is an impulse that is willing to subject itself to whatever is needed in order to wake up.

The authentic impulse toward enlightenment is that internal prayer asking for whatever it is that will bring us to a full awakening, no matter whether it turns out to be wonderful or terrible. It is an impulse that puts no conditions on what we have to go through.
~ Adyashanti

I know a lot of people come here hoping that Astral Projection will lead to some kind of awakening/enlightenment within themselves.
I have my own idea of what he's saying here, but I was wondering what other people's take on it is and how it might relate to your own "quest for awakening".  Smiley

Just looking to drive discussion. 

 on: May 19, 2016, 02:30:47 
Started by Subu - Last post by fowlskins
your defiantly on the right path fear is a hurdle we all have to face
just keep doing what you are doing and learning a bit more each time
you need to be a passive observer of whats happening alot easier said than done but keep practicing

 on: May 19, 2016, 00:58:16 
Started by dpk38 - Last post by ThaomasOfGrey
Today, I successfully got past the vibes and separated. I flew up slowly. I didn't have a vision yet. As I was flying, after a few seconds I was back in my body with another set of vibes. This didn't happen suddenly like a SNAP! But it was very gradual hence I didn't realise I was back in my body until I got the vibes again. This has happened twice before. I can't understand how to stay out of body. I thought of focusing on something Non physical, but I don't get any vision.
Either this happens or I end up in a Lucid Dream...

How would you describe your mental state during the few seconds that you were flying out of body? I have often failed separations like this due to panicking, not sure much out of fear, but out of desperation for success. It is far easier said than done, but you need to not be too analytical during the crossover. The problem isn't the existence of the thoughts in my opinion, but the place they take your focus.

Asking yourself a question like "is this working" is going to cause an implicit comparison between what you are experiencing now and the physical state. That fleeting consideration of the physical state can be enough to put you back in body.

I have had some success beating problem when it strikes, either during separation or upon becoming aware in a dream. Analytical thought isn't the entire problem, you should be able to act and think like you do in this reality during a dream. The difference is in where you place your primary focus.

Placing the primary focus during a dream works the exact same way it does in this reality. Consider a basic technique for overcoming anxiety, when the undesirable train of thought emerges you have to shut that thread down and return your focus to the immediate now. The embracing of the immediate now is what cements the dream and as long as you keep perceiving actively you will be able to think without too much instability.

It is easier to achieve in a full blown dream than during the cross over as during the cross over there isn't much going on in the immediate to focus on.

 on: May 18, 2016, 22:42:54 
Started by Qess - Last post by Lumaza
Thats what I thought, but why huh and if so why was it so evil feeling haha so many questions
Hello Qess and Welcome!  smiley It sounds like you passed your initial fear test. Good Job!  smiley That one is usually quite intense.

 I think you might find your answer in this recent thread here that another member here created. You will find that almost always, if you are or have experiencing something or are having problems with some step with achieving a non local state of consciousness, chances are someone else did too. Many of those answers can be found on Forums like this, but you just need to do some "searching" on those Forums to find them. This Forum is loaded with great advice. Pay particle attention to the "stickies". They are the threads in BOLD BLUE LETTERS;msg362235#msg362235

 on: May 18, 2016, 22:30:58 
Started by desert-rat - Last post by Bloodshadow
ha my other astral site I go to, I do remember reading it just didn't have any feed back for it, altho I seem to always fight entities myself, its always like that, it stops me from achieving my intent at times.

 on: May 18, 2016, 20:40:07 
Started by Phalanx - Last post by Szaxx
It may prove important to not disregard the 'games' as games. These involve an assessment of your psyche and what follows is a subtle push in a direction for you to simply realise something.
A common one is floundering around in the dark in what seems a clear experience. Until you realise you have the ability to light up everything with a thought, the lesson won't be learned and a stalemate situation develops. This can then discourage you to proceed until it becomes a strong desire to do so. At this point you'll feel very disheartened and regard the whole art as folly. You give up and do nothing then all of a sudden from nowhere, you have an eye opening experience that you won't get over for years. The contents repeat as help in future adventures even decades later.
The main issue is removing doubt of your abilities. To know you have them is unhelpful. To not know is far worse. A certain amount of trust in yourself is required and as always this has to be earned. Your mindset will be locked into the physical world physics of how things work, in the NP it's very different and simple thoughts of not being able to do something will be s brick wall of great height.
You're doing fine although you may not realise it. Play the games with intent on winning every dituation presented. I learned failure is not an option, keep this in mind and kick butt.
After all, it's your experience and you are the one driving, this is hidden until the realisation hits you.
A classic physical example is riding a bike.

 on: May 18, 2016, 19:15:15 
Started by desert-rat - Last post by desert-rat
I think a lot of ghosts that people think of as evil kinda fit with this post I found on another forum .  More confused that any thing else .

 on: May 18, 2016, 15:56:58 
Started by Dragonlight - Last post by Szaxx
When you find the right person you need, you'll know it as a couple.

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