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 61 
 on: October 28, 2014, 22:31:37 
Started by Astral_seeker - Last post by Astral_seeker
Hi,

Would it be possible to program our subcounscious when we go to be so that we are automatically awaken in the vibrational stage ?

I already experienced this but very randomly. I would be sleeping and at some point I would wake up because of the vibrations.

Unfortunately it happened maybe two or three times at most.

I wonder if we could program our subcounscious so that it wake us up directly being in that stage ?

It would be so great, we wouldnt have to struggle that much to AP, we would just have to go to sleep and wait to be awoken !

Any thoughts about this ?

Thanks

 62 
 on: October 28, 2014, 21:13:31 
Started by FateBender - Last post by Stillwater
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How much of what's said is true?

It is sort of true, lol...

I think the way it is couched is very strange though. If you watch the video closely, especially toward the end, the narrator is explaining how projections will make you this amazing person, and it will solve all of your problems for you, and you won't have to worry about anything ever again once you get there... and also, you will be a wizard of some kind.

Those things are generally more the result of serious meditative pursuit, and taking a piercing look at your own psychology- your basic physiological needs, the way you interact with others, your attitudes about yourself and the world... it is really hard to see projection only getting you all of those great rewards.

In short, I felt like the video was selling a person a false vision of projection's role in metaphysical pursuits- a notion that it is a shortcut to fulfillment of every kind. It takes away the responsibility and power for change from the individual, and puts it into this almost mythical object instead- I don't think that is healthy.

The imagery... could be real I guess, but the tempo was all off to me. It is almost always slower than that... exhilerating, but somehow in a relaxed way, at least for me.

 63 
 on: October 28, 2014, 18:47:37 
Started by FateBender - Last post by FateBender

You are consciousness... you're one small part of the whole of consciousness.  As such, you have access to everything that this collective consciousness has experienced. 

This basically sums up all I wanted to know Smiley thanks

 64 
 on: October 28, 2014, 17:38:34 
Started by FateBender - Last post by Xanth
This is a confusing subject for most people... especially those who believe that this reality and the realities we project to are "objective".

You are consciousness... you're one small part of the whole of consciousness.  As such, you have access to everything that this collective consciousness has experienced.  Except, you experience it through the filter of your OWN experiences.  What that statement means is that, yes, you can visit other places here on Earth (or anywhere else for that matter), but your consciousness/awareness still needs to interpret those experiences in ways that allow you to understand it.

It's like when you look at a picture and for a brief second you see something... then a second later you "recognize" what the picture is showing.  In that "brief second" which you couldn't explain what the image was, that was your consciousness trying to interpret the image in the picture.  When it finally found something in the picture which you understood, you then "saw" it.

Non-physical experiences work very much the same way.  You won't see something if you can't directly interpret it... and you can't interpret it if you don't have the base experience behind you in order to understand what it is you're experiencing.

 65 
 on: October 28, 2014, 16:06:06 
Started by FateBender - Last post by FateBender
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ta1Wwwe06LI

How much of what's said is true?

Especially interested about visiting any place in the world. If you haven't been there before, It'll be like you expect it to be, right? and same goes for space and planets?

 66 
 on: October 28, 2014, 13:13:18 
Started by Tongo - Last post by Xanth
The most positive thing I have learned from AP is that living this physical life of mine... living it and connecting and interacting with people here in a Loving way is vastly more important than anything you'll ever do non-physically.

 67 
 on: October 28, 2014, 13:09:04 
Started by Killa Rican - Last post by Killa Rican
Hey, no worries guys.   smiley

But I actually admire Robert Bruce and his intellect, as well as his contributions in the metaphysical field. I can't speak so much on the critique concerning AP as that is not my area of expertise, but I find him a good , helpful, and reliable asset in other general areas in Metaphysics.

I don't see this 'fear-mongering' in the same light really. It varies as different people will have different reactions based on their limited knowledge and experience, but I find It's a persons own responsibility alone to not overreact impulsively negative when being exposed or considering new information.

When reading through some of his material my first thoughts were not "Oh no, all this stuff can possibly be real now I'm scared." I'm thinking "Well this Man has been through some heavy stuff that's hard to understand for most people in this area of the world, he can understand others who've been through some of this, and he's actually trying to do something to contribute to  better understanding the nature of this mysterious phenomena."

Some of us didn't need to invest in a particular belief in order for it to lead to or 'project' the 'subjective' perception of an experience be the experience "good" or "bad". Rather an groundbreaking experience itself can be enough for the person to justify why they feel, think, and stand strongly in their views  the way they do. It's something most of us( not all) can relate to.

What I like about Robert Bruce is that he makes an attempt to understand the mysterious nature of spiritual phenomena, be it may on controversial topics. i.e 'Psychic attacks. There's been countless anecdotes on the possibilities and realities of these things for several thousands of years all over the globe in recorded history. I think it's fair to consider more serious , but neutral, and open minded thought on the possibilities(emphasis on possibilities) without putting a person down for it, or think they are trying to spread fear for sharing their experience however 'unpopular' the experience or view might be, simply because some are nothing more than just 'uncomfortable' by the thought of it.

I know Robert Bruce really has the best in mind to assist people, even though many here may disagree with his methods.

 I like that He makes effort to translate within the context of a modern day western padagrim of thought. In the end it comes down to using terminology a persons mind might be receptive to when analyzing and speculating on this phenomena.

I personally benefitted and got nothing but good from what he shares and puts work into, and yes I'm already well acquainted with other alternatives of authors working in the same fields.

To each his own, respectfully.

Thank you for the welcome back Stillwater, I'm happy to see you still active here. Smiley I look forward to engage in more discussions with you and possibly also catch up as well in the near future, if you wouldn't mind. You've always been one of my favorite posters. ^_^ Hope all is well with you friend.

 68 
 on: October 28, 2014, 10:44:38 
Started by DreambreaX - Last post by Mydral
I actually hear cracks in my room at night before going to sleep while I am still perfectly awake. Just at night, at no other times during the day, right at the  bottom of my bed. There is no object which can cause this as far as I can tell, unless of course some damage in the floor wood and some weight/pressure causing it randomly. I usually just think "leave me alone" and go to sleep then lol.

 69 
 on: October 28, 2014, 10:34:49 
Started by FateBender - Last post by Mydral
Go to a wall.... then go through it.
The experience of touching something physical with your hand which is hard, then applying pressure and feeling your hand move through it is pretty cool. This may require some work though, your mind or something will tell ya it's not possible till it is. Sometimes this is harder to do than to fly for me atleast.

 70 
 on: October 28, 2014, 10:25:40 
Started by Mydral - Last post by Mydral
Hey,

So I haven't posted in a long time. Had a negative experience some time ago: basically fell through a dark cloud which was floating above my body into my body and heard loud voices in my head when I woke up, this lasted for a few minutes... turns out it was a fake awakening. When I really woke up no voices etc., however all that happened during my false awakening started to repeat for real aside from all the physical details of the location I was in being accurate.. such as my brother sitting on the couch next to me, then my mum coming home a few mins after... so this freaked me out and I stopped doing stuff. This was a few years back and since then I have physical jerks in my left shoulder when I get tired or angry, actually if I were to pinpoint anger it would come out of my shoulder. I think this is just psychological stuff though and not demon or possession etc. related.

Anyways onto last night (no negative stuff so good for that):
Went to bed at 9:30pm.. woke up at 1:30am.. back to bed at 6:30am so super tired.
I start noticing I am in darkness and can feel my body and am dizzy. Then I start feeling my limps and I can move them, so break out with torso being bit stuck.. but after some time I just get up like I would get up from my bed. So all darkness till now.. then I am in a house. So I move around till I get back into waking up a bit or darkness... then back into the house after feeling my limps. This repeats a couple of times. Always in the same house with slight changes, to the inside and the outside. At times I make it outside but not for long. At times I start doubting if it is actual reality and get afraid of jumping down a balcony to go outside, till I catch myself and realize its still a dream or OOB.
Whenever I wake up briefly I feel very dizzy and can't properly move, then feels like I am falling head first.. as if I did a dive jump backwards, since I am lying on my back in the bed.
At one point I don't end up in the house.. just in complete darkness with no pshysical objects anywhere as far as I can tell. But this was only very brief.
There were some people in the house at times I think, but I can't remember speaking to them and don't think I did. I also had the impression that rooms would change in the house once I went from one room to the next.

So anyway what was this experience?

Also should I pursue OOB more actively again? I used to believe nothing can happen.. but that bad experience, coupled with some other negative ones which were not as extreme though, made me doubt this. Worried that I could pull something back or that a part of me gets stuck in a negative place, so when I do OOB again.. I'll just be in that negative place again and goto find my way out or so.


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