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 on: February 09, 2018, 17:04:29 
Started by ThaomasOfGrey - Last post by Selski
People's stance that they have left belief behind and now "know" the way it is has been the basis for most if not all wars and genocide.

Now you're talking about subjective matters which is a huge leap from squirrels in the garden.  cheesy

 on: February 09, 2018, 15:15:49 
Started by ThaomasOfGrey - Last post by Karxx Gxx
Even using that angel, you dont have to prove something to know it. If you are aware, you KNOW you are aware. Now what you define YOU to be is something else.
You could say "there is awarness over there" in the same way "there is feeling here, inside the body".

What concept you put behind it is what you dont know. But going past concepts I would think it would just be really close to being aware of x y z.

 on: February 09, 2018, 12:31:23 
Started by ThaomasOfGrey - Last post by astralm
People's stance that they have left belief behind and now "know" the way it is has been the basis for most if not all wars and genocide.  I don't see it as a pointless philosophy debate with no real world application at all.  What you believe defines how you interact with the world.  Nothing is less pointless.

 on: February 08, 2018, 22:32:36 
Started by Selski - Last post by Selski
Fascinating baro-san. Thank you for joining in the discussion. I'm definitely going to start a new thread and will add your comments to it. Am a bit pushed for time ATM, but will get round to it soon.


 on: February 08, 2018, 22:28:42 
Started by ThaomasOfGrey - Last post by Selski
Hiya astralm

Thank you for replying and explaining your post/thoughts.  smiley

Quote from: astralm
You stating that if you look outside and see a squirrel in the garden that the squirrel being there is a 1.  But how can you prove this?  Is it not possible that you could be hallucinating the squirrel.  Well maybe then you ask someone else and they say yeah I see the squirrel, how do you know you are not hallucinating them as well.

I wondered if this was going to be your angle. Maybe we are all brains in jars in a mad scientist's laboratory. Maybe we are thought-characters of just one giant brain in a jar. Or maybe we live inside the eye of a blue-eyed giant called Macumber.

Given your reasoning, no-one can know anything. Which is fine as a philosophical debate, as a clever bit of wordplay, as a way to pass the time on an internet forum...but it doesn't really get us anywhere, does it? Which perhaps is why baro-san asked what your point is.

We (meaning humans) communicate. We discuss. We describe. We explain. And so on. We use language as a way of expression. When I tell you there is a squirrel in my garden, I'm not ignoring the idea that I might be a brain in a jar or a speck of a speck of a speck in a giant's eye...I'm deliberately dismissing those ideas as they are not helpful to the conversation/discussion.

Quote from: astralm
About your first point on letting go of belief such as Santa Claus being real.  Yes I let go of beliefs, but they are replaced by other beliefs.

What did you replace your belief of Santa Claus with?  huh  grin

Ultimately, everything is a theory...but we use language such as I know there is a squirrel in my garden in a way that other people understand the meaning. They would conclude that I can see the squirrel. If I say I suspect there is a squirrel in my garden (without clarifying that I might be hallucinating the squirrel) this would have a completely different meaning. The reader/listener would conclude that I couldn't see the squirrel, and maybe I was hearing a scurrying sound which led me to believe it might be a squirrel.

It's fun to break language down and dispute everything anyone writes - I've seen it done with aplomb on other forums...but ultimately it really is quite a pointless exercise when it comes to actual living and direct experience.

What do you think?  smiley

 on: February 08, 2018, 20:59:50 
Started by astral flyer - Last post by Xanth
Anyone agrees? Xanth?
Pretty much.  It's why I say it's up to each person as to what they experience.  Smiley

 on: February 08, 2018, 11:53:54 
Started by raditus - Last post by raditus
February 7, 2018


I was in a darkened area, a cave or keep room. Petyr Baelish was there. He actually bared his teeth at us, hissing angrily, darting for us! Me and the person fled.

It turned out that the other person with me was John Snow. We fled north, beyond the wall to escape The crazed Petyr! We get to a steep ladder that we had to climb down. John went before me.

"Great," I began, griping even as I mounted the ladder. "It had to be a ladder." I have a thing about them irl.

"Just take one rung at a time." John called up to me, hearing my gripe.

"One rung at a time." I whispered to myself as I followed his advice. I was making good time, when a wind started to whip around us. Snowflakes whipped around us as well and I shivered while I continued the trip down. I woke up before I finished the ladder

 on: February 08, 2018, 09:23:31 
Started by superman - Last post by LightBeam
He could be an author, only his story may be boring, lol. Look at authors like JRR Tolkien. He created an entire world with hundreds of characters and even the regions' own languages. If your friend gets enthusiastic and as its God sends that world in space, things will change, get more interesting, space time travel, other planets habitants interactions. And there you have a great book. He just has to write it down and get out of his comfort zone and logic Smiley 

 on: February 08, 2018, 08:00:16 
Started by superman - Last post by superman
My friend is very realistic person, very logical, rational and 0 fantasy. I asked him something like this the other night : "you have the full power to create anything in that world; why do you still follow the "earth rules" ... he says I dont know, other way makes no sense to me. For example he has "Nasa" in his world lol (but its not called nasa) and it is the most succesful enterprise in his world but he never includes E.T's. Even if humans live on mars in his world/universe there is no other beings, just humans. So he is very limited to his own "ideas". He will imagine just things he know are "real" to him. For example I talked about astral stuff and spirituality but it just makes 0 sense to him lol.

So I guess that his inhabitants are "normal" and not anime. Because he is not fantasy type of a guy.
If I could create a whole world... gosh!!! it would be something way more spectacular lol Not earth like at all. Guess thats because I'm more "spiritual".

 on: February 08, 2018, 07:16:52 
Started by astral flyer - Last post by Karxx Gxx
Could be tests. I was in a lot of fear tests when I projected.
It may be annoying and such, but try to just observe that feeling of annoyance, or whatever you experience. I think things settle down when you dont react as much because you arnt going to keep projecting similar ideas.

Example. I hear the person sob so i think i have to go save her, so an elaborate dream takes place on me trying to save her. Or I could just observe, knowing if I do that I wont have to do anything particular. The sobing wont go on forever, but instead something will change without me doing much to make it change. If that makes sense.

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