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Hello chomsee
Somehow I missed your intro when you first posted it and so will now use this opportunity to welcome you.

Cheers
Grey

The lady that channeled the alien was at a new age book store , around Sun City AZ      . It was 1993 , or 94 . I asked her if clorine from freon was really causing the hole in the ozone layer .  She said it was , but that hole would let them communate better with us humans .  It sounded hokey to me at the time , but I gave her the $5 , and  never went back . I have no idea of where she is today .  

We could only be second guessing their agenda if they had for instance told it to us themselves... at best be are making a long series of first guesses, lol.

I think to assume governments are in on this is only natural, because it is the only narritive that has been given to us that includes extraterrestrials. I mean yes you also have the touchy-feely channeled stuff, but with that stuff you need to take it on faith that you are being dictated to by aliens. The direct testimony of people who claim to have had experiences with them on earth are the only ones subject to possible future corroberation in the short term.

Now either we have visitors coming, or we don't. If we don't, everyone who has spoken up is a liar (which may be true, but makes alot of liars); if we do have visitors, then everything we have heard about them comes from witnesses such as discussed in this thread, and literally every one of them bar a small few mentions governments in connection to them, so it is sort of a starting point; if you believe any of the witnesses may not be liars, then governments are almost without fail involved somewhere.

To me paranoia would be taking neutral information and extracting a negative or dangerous connotation to it; but in the case of these testimonies, it isn't the viewer that is suggesting the government is hiding something, they are being told that by every speaker, so the information is not neutral to start with on that issue. So that must mean the whole disclosure and testimony movement itself is a movement of paranoia if anything about it is. But then if every source is discredited as a paranoid one, then how does a person figure out what is going on at all? If you want any data to evaluate at all, it is really your only option.

You are correct I agree.

Where did the thought about ETs originate?  Where did the imagery come from which give us examples which distinguish the three main ET types which Paul Hellyer speaks about in the video posted at the start this topic?

We cannot automatically assume that the secretive nature of Governments are the result of sinister agenda. 
We cannot seriously take any-ones testimony (including channeling) to be representative of truthfulness and as such ETs are more in the realm of the fringe subjects, such as AP, Occult, Religion, Spirituality, Alternate universe etc... science fiction.

They are not speaking for themselves and even governments are not speaking for them.  There is also the aspect of being motivated to believe based on assumption that a higher advanced space faring civilization would be in a position to 'save us from ourselves', or from our governing oppressors.

Even taking what information is available, the picture seems to be that the differing types of ET are not all working together and follow their own cosmological philosophies which clash with the others, and it is possible that information on one type is misinformation from another type.

There is some evidence that the Zeta Reticuli (greys) have had interaction with some cultures - I am thinking specifically the Maoris  - and such interaction can be seen in the stories and artwork of many cultures but ... I am reminded of Whitley Strieber...what might appear to the one experiencing 'abduction' is reminiscent of AP stories and is the most likely source where the concept of ET originates.

I love lionhearts reasoning for this and think its a very good conclusion this did happen to me for a while i had to tweak my phasing methods and i am having more and better experiences now i just did a lot of research and reading

I am not big on writing :/ i have tried but just can not do it. I do draw a lot and tend to draw out dreams i have on one a5 piece small but i can normally get a lot in this helps me i don't know if it works any better or worse than a journal but works for me man

Lately i have like a numbing cramping sensation not painful barely uncomfortable but and odd sensation just above my brow line in the center of my head. Almost like a cramping feeling, Is this related to the Third Eye comments appreciated

Looooooke

Lol. I am definitely not at all in support of the idea the footage was faked, only that it is possible, however narrow that possibility is. I think you'll see that if you spend enough time with the sort of arguments I tend to make, a common thread is that I am generally very reluctant to discard possibilities, because to do so generally requires a near-godly amount of insight and knowledge. The admission that I might be wrong and the footage is faked is more a statement about the limitations of my insight than about the footage itself.

For instance, it is possible that there is no such country as Ecuador. It might be a fabrication between map-makers and god-knows who. Maybe every person from Ecuador you have ever met is an actor, if you have met any at all. Perhaps the land occupied by Ecuador on the map actually belongs to Columbia or Peru. Maybe the story of Ecuador was created by chocolate companies who want to disguise the fact that their chocolate strains really came from Brazil.

I can't exclude the possibility of the moon footage being faked for the same reason I can't be sure there is really an Ecuador- but it belongs to the same class of possibilities to me... pretty damn slim chance, haha.

I find it amusing that we anthropomorphise aliens... trying to second guess their agenda based upon our own paranoia... assuming that the government are privy to their knowledge etc.

We could only be second guessing their agenda if they had for instance told it to us themselves... at best be are making a long series of first guesses, lol.

I think to assume governments are in on this is only natural, because it is the only narritive that has been given to us that includes extraterrestrials. I mean yes you also have the touchy-feely channeled stuff, but with that stuff you need to take it on faith that you are being dictated to by aliens. The direct testimony of people who claim to have had experiences with them on earth are the only ones subject to possible future corroberation in the short term.

Now either we have visitors coming, or we don't. If we don't, everyone who has spoken up is a liar (which may be true, but makes alot of liars); if we do have visitors, then everything we have heard about them comes from witnesses such as discussed in this thread, and literally every one of them bar a small few mentions governments in connection to them, so it is sort of a starting point; if you believe any of the witnesses may not be liars, then governments are almost without fail involved somewhere.

To me paranoia would be taking neutral information and extracting a negative or dangerous connotation to it; but in the case of these testimonies, it isn't the viewer that is suggesting the government is hiding something, they are being told that by every speaker, so the information is not neutral to start with on that issue. So that must mean the whole disclosure and testimony movement itself is a movement of paranoia if anything about it is. But then if every source is discredited as a paranoid one, then how does a person figure out what is going on at all? If you want any data to evaluate at all, it is really your only option.

It would be so much easier to speak to you William through your Ouija board communication device. 

I find it amusing that we anthropomorphise aliens... trying to second guess their agenda based upon our own paranoia... assuming that the government are privy to their knowledge etc.

It would be interesting if you could elaborate on your anthropomorphic comment and why this amuses you Ben.

Simon

There was reference was in that post which you refer to but the post has been modified and the reference is no longer there.  My bad since I should have quoted.

It is far better to speak for yourself than for each other.

I will re-post what I said which is pertinent to communication - on topic and applicable to all of us.



We can as we choose hide behind personas and sound off spiritually (for example) but any hidden content of any communication can still be uncovered logically and rationally and it is easy enough to 'get to the bottom of things' if one is persistent and has the opportunity to do so, and pursues honest and open communication as the preferred (and hopefully mutual) expression.

Often when people complain in the way you have done here, it is because they think they are being exposed rather than that their message is found to have gaping holes in it which need to be honestly questioned and it is this honest questioning that is distasteful to their senses.  This is because they believe in what they are expressing so that the message IS them, which it is not really, not in reality - but because of this perception and misconception they think they are being questioned when it is the message which is being questioned, because they cannot separate themselves from the message and so respond by ignoring the message which exposes the holes in their own message and making personal comments about the messenger, which either shuts the messenger up or, in my case, gives me an opportunity to clarify - I am not against YOU (or the 'we' you allude to be representing - btw if any of these 'we' are reading this, please step forward and speak for your selves) I am FOR honesty, sincerity, truthfulness and pulling aside the veils of mystical subjectivity for the sake of the collective objectivity.

[note:  Personal comments such as referring to the nature of someones state of mental health, and alluding to possible reasons for their perceived mannerism which ignores what they are clearly saying in preference to some made up theory which suits the agenda of the 'court jury' - not honest, sincere, truthful or particularly useful other than to steer the focus of the thread away from having to adress the hard questions.]

In my communications with ET, this was one of the fundamental things they worked with me on - pulling away my own belief systems by questioning them through showing me the holes/inconsistencies in them.  I know it is hard at first but it is well worth it.  Many times in the early days I got snotty with them, much as you are doing with me.  I even pronounced them 'bad' and refused at times to speak with them, but they knew me well enough that I would come around as I just needed the time to absorb the data and was just reacting knee jerk and immaturely but in my heart I wanted to be truthful to myself and those whose paths cross with mine, and once I fully accepted the truth of their observations and realized the uncomfortable feelings being brought to the surface had to do with my own belief systems being shown to be faulty and that those feelings belonged to me and could be sourced within my own psyche - buttons being pushed meant that I had things to deal with and those helping to show me this were not my enemy - they were just not interested in molly coddling me or reinforcing said beliefs by playing along with them - of necessity they tolerated these beliefs through understanding, but they are not interested in pursuing communication forever on those terms because it is of no value in the long term to anyone.

You see - there is no 'Prime Directive' which prevents ET from communicating with anyone as if to do so is to interfere with the individual creating some unperceived and irrevocable damage.  All that is required is an honest and humble intent and an openness to learn and willingness to discard belief systems which do not promote unification and truthful communication.  It is really that simple.

All I ask is that in your time of 'muteness' where I am concerned you consider my words here and keep an open mind and see that I am not an enemy....but rather a potential friend.  

Thank You!

[and you and you...]

In regard to 'new information' that General Eisenhower threatened to invade area 51 - while it might be a first, it is not world shaking and does not really address or add to the topic of why ET chooses/or is forced to remain undisclosed, apart from adding weight to the argument that human beings are not communicating and thus working together effectively and honestly and this is possibly a major contributing factor to why ET remains undisclosed.

Who was it that posted in this thread 'WE ARE NOT READY'?