HI

I heard about the tecnnique to ask my dream figures to tell me that I'm dreaming next time. But when I say that I am dreaming to anyone in my dreams they always denie it. Or they think I am crazy, or they ignore me, or they just say noo you can't be dreaming.
How do you talk to them about dreaming?
thnx!

Hi everybody,

I'm looking for good refference work about and around Atlantis.
Can anyone give me some adresses or titles?
thank you very much

let the energy flow.

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Yeah it's the best book I have read so far. REally a must reader. I will read the tenth insight

That Ganzfeld Effect is pretty interesting! thank u!

About the short clip dreams of you. It could be that it are short clips in you mind but actually longer dreams as you think. When I forget to recall my dreams immediatly after I wake up, I only remember short clips that doesn't seem to make sense.

And yes I also have some continuity in my dreams

I have a reoccuring person who's a friend of my in reall but really close and when he occurs in my dreams there are always weird things going on.

And I often dream about robbing a bank.

The dreams that most of the times turn into lucid dreams are:
- nightmares (I have them rarely)
- dreams where I can fly or other in reality impossible things
- wet dreams, but with most of them I loose my lucidity because I can not focus and just want to have sex.

Yes I believe these kind of things can have some influence on your dreams and also your LDs. It's getting dark earlier here now and I think my dreams are more often in a dark enviroment like in de evening.
I hope to have some new cool LD experiences soon.

Yes you'r right about the differences.

But as I remember my experiences of WILD:

(this method doesn't always work.
You say you are actually seeing it, but is this right after you woke up from a dream? cause then you'r talking about the same method I describe here)

Returning to the dream without visualizing: I wake up, having the dream very vivid in my head, and just close my eyes and I'm back in the dream.

or:

Returning to the dream using visualisation: I wake up, I say to myself, I will have a lucid dream now. I close my eyes and let my body go asleep again, I stay as consious as I can, and try to visualize a dream, whatever I want, first it's just in my head, but slowly it's getting more vivid and before I know it I'm in the dream and lucid!

But like you said, you can loose you'r lucidity easyly because you loose your focus by concentrating too much on the visualizing part.

Hi, i want to contact the one who created the binauralabbys, I think his nick is AltoxFF. Can ayone help me?

thnx

Everytime what happens is that I watch the dream form in front of my eyes, and then I just start moving in it after a bit.

I know what you mean, sometimes this works for me too in the morning after I wake up. It's kind of an alternative if I can not return to the dream immediatly. It's actually an on visualising technique right? And if it works you are in a dream....but like you said, it's more difficult to stay lucid or even be lucid at the start of the dream.

I think you can train this technique with meditation, just visualize during the day when you are on a break or something that you are jumping out your window and fly, or walk in the woods or something.
Robert Bruce also talks about visualizing based meditation to be one of the best trainings for LD en OBE.

What you describe here is known as WILD or Wake Induced Lucid Dreaming. In other words, you go straight from awake to dreaming lucid, or put another way you go straight into a dream without any break in consciousness. It's far easier to do this in the early morning hours after just waking up because you enter REM sleep after just a few minutes as opposed to 90 or so minutes.

REally? Canyou call this WILD? I also hear about people who can WILD anytime they want like OBE. But that's still to far for me:-)

Yes about early in the morning. Most of my lucid dreams start when I wake up. I wake up from a non-lucid dream with this dream very vivid in my head, then it's no problem to return to this dream but this time being lucid.
But when I try to fall asleep as consious as I can, I never fall into a dream immediatly, that would be really weird caus you only dream during your REM-sleep right? And you are in REM after a few hours sleeping right?
I think it goes like this: I fall asleep as consious as I can, when I'm in form I really can FEEL my body falling in sleep. But I never remember my mind falling asleep. And then somewhere in the night I wake up from a lucid dream. (in this case first a normal dream turning into a lucid dream)
 So I cannot really say when I'm lucid dreaming when I'm not lucid dreaming in the morning, cause it's always just a memory. (maybe it got something to do with the fact that there is a time between falling asleep and the start of a dream in contrast with dreaming after you wake upin the morning...?)
Most of the times (not always!) my lucidity and vividness of the dream ar higher when I'm LDing in the morning. But I'm not really sure about that.

I think we all find the lucid dream experience quite freeing. You feel as if there are no repurcussions for our actions, because after all it is just a dream, right??

Yes exactly! That's it.

I guess what Im trying to say is what I have found is there is always a price to pay for negative behavior. What constitutes bad behavior is a whole other discussion.

I think you are right, I'ts very nice to have all controle, but I think I will get bored after a while to just throwing things and doing all that kind of bad things. And about the spiritual guider:
What you see most times when you read or talk about guides, the basis rule of guides is, you can play what you want in the beginning (first period of your lucid dream experiences) but you should addept yourself to a "higher"(?) level by searching for the "deeper being of you"(?)

So now, I'd like to start a discussion about what bad behavior constitutes.

I think it doesn't have any negative consequences. But I think it has no positive results on the long term.
So what I'm saying: If you only satisfy yourself with being in controle like doing bad things, it will have no results.
Instead you should search deeper. But this is offcourse (I think this is also a part of the constitution) very difficult, especcialy in the beginning it's hard to control yourself. But I think when you get more lucid (in my experience you can have different degrees of lucidity) it's more easy to control your desires, (the negative ones)  like sexual frustration, agression, (kinda like abusing your being as a god in the dream).

I'm getting better in controlling myself...lately I'm trying to talk to people about their being in my dream. But they never give me concrete answers, OR they just think I'm crazy...OR they talk a around it with all kind of difficult words and stuff  

I think there is some kind of constitution that says you should search deeper. There is more than just throwing stuff at peoples heads and laughing at them    (yeah it IS funny)

Hi,

The point that's requires attention here is the fact of what the feeling of falling is. How do you know it is the feeling that corresponds with falling? You just made that up in your mind.  So you don't need the real life experience of falling,  to have a "falling like" feeling....

I think the mind correspondents this feeling to a feeling of fear because your mind returns (falls?) in your head, and your thinking-brains connects  it to falling, because you guess this would be like falling.

I'm wondering now....if you are a professional sky diver, you do it every day and you are so good at it that you don't even feel the "fear-ruch" of it anymore.
Will you have a feeling of fear when you have this same "falling" feeling?
Or will you have another feeling, not falling, but maybe a feeling like you're getting pushed or something... hmmm


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Yeah thank u I will try that

What also works for my to become lucid in a night is trying to fall asleep as concious as you can. And maybe this goes for remembering your experiments too....so next time, I will fall asleep as conscious as I can and think about the experiments I want to do....
I will report

huh, yes that's right I thought you posted allready. Strangeeehh...

Yeah, same for me about how to fly, I make a little hop and then just think "I will fly" and I fly. But still can't really make altitude, except for some exceptions. About super speed, I think I can run pretty fast and I'm trying to fly faster lately by looking for the right flying carriage. (kind of funny thinking about it :lol)

And about experimenting other stuff, was it you who said to tell yourself about experiments you want to do in your dreams through the day?
Well anyway I will try that.

What also works for my to become lucid in a night is trying to fall asleep as concious as you can. And maybe this goes for remembering your experiments too....so next time, I will fall asleep as conscious as I can and think about the experiments I want to do....
I will report

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