Of course the quality would be different, but i meant that it could be used as a kick start or an eye opener to the people who dont have any visual aspect too it, just reading about it online and tones of theory

Yeah its increases its potency when they concentrate it like that, before i did mushrooms i spent hours and hours researching and reading stories about it, i'm not preaching to do drugs or anything like that - im just suggesting too have an open mind too it, in the end its your decision

Lion im speaking from experience from using psychoactive drugs when i was younger then completely getting off them by choice, THEN starting too learn how too project and i can confidently say i am able too experience an OBE about every second if i follow a method i do, and i can control it %100

I think your missing the point when i said it could be used as a jump start or an "eye opener" for some people, like i said i dont think he will be using salvia everytime he needs too project, and the studys you have told me of people not being able to control there experiences was done under the influence of the drugs believe, if you have any studies and experiences documenting the astral experience after using drugs lets say in weeks, months and years time, then that would be more relevant too what i was talking about previously

Even saying that i am proof that in using psychoactive drugs doesn't effect my projections because like i said people learn differently and i have found it too be benefical in my learning experience being able too come ino astral projection with an open mind caused by the psychoactive drugs

Your only really giving a typical anti drug speech and missing the point in how people can use different tools(mushros for e.g) too get them on the right way too where they want too be

I do agree with you on building a strong foundation and hard work too get the full effect of astral projection - im just saying how drugs could be used as an eye opener - its easy too tell people about it via meaningless text but its another thing too experience powerful visuals first hand and having a theory and practical view of it, not just one or the other

And yes i did meditate and do mushrooms so i have experienced both effects and am able too tell you about it, and if you havn't experienced both with a spiritual mind set then sorry your arguments are invalid

Off by memory they sell the packets in times extracts or something like that for example "Salvia x10" vs "Salvia x100"

And a controlled enivornment would be somewhere where you are comfortable with and with peope you are comfortable with(or even doing it by yourself) in your house with a nice lit room and calming music too suit or any other calming things you can think of that relaxs you

An example of a bad enviornment is when teenagers do it for laughs at a park/in a car while they are already un easy with the enviornment and that sending them on a bad trip, and also direct influences with friends laughing at them and throwing stuff at them for example too get reactions when there under the influence of salvia

Hope im making sense haha

No i am not trying salvia, i aim not talking about the benefits at all of using salvia with astral projection, i was explaining too him(eyefodin) about his mind set after having a bad experience with salvia and relating back to my personal experience with mushrooms where i had a bad trip myself - then went on to say that even though bad did happen it doesn't necessarily mean that it will happen again

People learn differently Lion, and i believe you are also jumping too conclusions assuming that he will be taking salvia every time he wants too have project

Some people may need a boost at the start, and when you say "shortcut" i don't think he would be using salvia every time he wanted too project, maybe he would want a taste of it and appreciation of what could be done and honed in with meditation skills too make him stay in that state of mind for longer

Like i said in another post, These type of drugs have a negative context too it, personally i don't think that its bad if you do it in a controlled environment and in controlled doses

His negative experiences could have been impacted in many different ways, by the people he was with, or people he wasn't with .. the mood/lighting in the room .. etc - that is why i posted the above

You might take this post as a little confronting and forward towards you and i do apologize if that's the case, i am just explaining myself

Appreciate the replys but you may have misinterprted my situation, it's hard too communicate fully what i saw but even it was just one skeleton not skeleton"s" (I can see how that would be viewed as a cementary setting, or a bunch of skeletons.

I'll try describe it as best as i can, i was laying on my bed in my room, opened my eyes and a skeleton was 1 metre infront of me(directly facing me) drifting in the air and it was like it had already begun falling before i opened my eyes, it fell into me following like kind of like a semi circle line before it dropped into my body


and gall, im interested too know if it was a past life memory, and you describing yours - how did you go about remembering all those details of you being a merchant and sailing too see, then tracing back too greece?

I had a spiritual trip with mushrooms once, and i remember seeing myself on this balcony over looking a green meadows and having thoughts that i was a king, it was like i had lived lives before - maybe that was my past life - still keen too remember how too remember such things

Is that directed at me?

Hahahaha

yes eye it would make sense not too use it because your living in fear of that experience happening again, but really you should view it as a learning experience and now you know how too take better control of it... don't have too necessarily rule it out if you dont want too

Are you a girl if you mind me asking?

interesting read, what makes you think about these scenarios and get such urges, is it a kind of seen it before and looked fun and something you want too try?

As for the pain, could be anything.. you could of slept wrong on your neck and might have caused some pain in your ear and in your head, try massaging your neck and shoulders

This video has such an eery unattractive tone and representation too it...

No wonder the general population sees people who are into spiritualness a bit coo coo

Why cant it be fun?

Try some psychoactive drugs, maybe you need that little push too open up your awareness and perception


I would suggest psilocybin mushrooms as they are natural and from the earth, do some research on it before you try it

Drugs have such a negative context associated with it, but it doesn't have too be bad if you do it in a controlled environment and in controlled doses

Change up your lifestyle ... develop a new relationship with food, diets dont exist because they are short term and you will find your self in the constant loop, so if you wanna slim down it has too be a life style choice, ask your self if you are willing too make that change

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/82280839/

Hey gallanoj, all these experiences happened infront of my eyes in my bedroom as i layed there in sleep paralysis or just came back from a projection

Chaos just take a breath and relax, quit polluting yourself with those thoughts - live in the moment and enjoy it

And yes dreams are all in one kind of thing, i think of it as waking consciousness except everything is visual and there are no spaces for thinking so everything is manifesting at once and relating too other aspects continously

I've opened my eyes too vivid skeletons falling on me, sudden loud talking into my ear, feeling someone elses presence in the room, "people" standing at the edge of my bed, forgetting where i am, sometimes even talking too myself in my bedroom mirrior and not realizing it 5 seconds in, then me scaring myself that im talking too myself... lol!


all during midnight LOL

Hasn't happened since though, this was also at the start of learning how to project and before i even knew about astral projection, i feel for people who experience this and are completely oblivious too whats happening i really do - but in the rare chance it does, it would startle me a little bit as Army Of one said about the suddenness of it all

Ah man those terrifying moments which dont need too be terrifying is what im all too used too

Stop smoking  

Seems just like a really interesting dream -

I had a weird one a couple days ago where my left upertorso was concaved and it was like i was missing my heart and the whole time i was looking for help but no one could help me, the dream went into multiple dreams and all intertwined and the whole time i was missing my heart, i also remember having vivid experiences which i could have mistaken as an OBE and all these other scenarios and situations which seemed too coincidental too all overlap and intertwine like it did for it not too be an OBE

Something was on my mind before that may have caused my subconscious too keep bringing it up while i was asleep - the high frequency of me not having a heart and concaved torso made me think that it was because the personal issue i had that night before bed

I too also dreamed of myself as a young kid in various situations and still all intertwined like your story

Maybe theres something on your mind that you need too make peace with

You probably had a false awakening or at a start of an OBE, instead of focusing the start of an OBE, take it one step further and force yourself out your body and make a plan too walk out your room

Thankss

Hi CFT -

What's the dweller/feedback effect?

^ Too much of anything is bad for you

TheDark do whatever you think is needed too get you too where you want too be

everything will plan out nicely

Hey Karen - bit random but might be some use too you

I remember being very sick one morning from the night before from having drunk too much and took some energy supplement, anyway i was vomitting and my body felt like death - i was still able too project though and i had such a vivid experience even when my body was that ill and all over the place

I'm thinking alcohol doesn't impact it at all