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51  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Traditions, ideals, and norms of men. on: May 02, 2014, 02:53:44
In remembering the a video titled "Peter Singer - The Genius of Darwin: The Uncut Interviews - Richard Dawkins" I just kept on thinking about Petter Singers comment. What it was was that Singer said when the Greeks first came over here they asked the Indians, or at least a certain tribe of Indians what they did with their dead. And they said we eat them. (I guess they were really utilitarian. Meaning they didn't want to waste the body. As we know they used all the bones and flesh of animals that they killed. Besides they believed the soul moved on anyway I am sure, unlike the Greeks.) And so the Greeks were horrified at what the Indians did that with their loved ones bodies. So then the Indians asked the Greeks what they did their dead. and they said they burned their bodies. And so the Indians were horrified that they would do such a thing, and I guess waste their bodies like that. LOL The moral that we can all gain from this I think is that our cultures, traditions and societies all have these ideals that and barriers to what they think has to be true and not, but that doesn't make it necessarily so. And what may be a good idea in one culture, may be a bad idea in another. So what makes one way better than another? That depends, but I tend to side toward utilitarianism while helping the poor. It's just very practical. Though their may be a line to draw. I also side on Humanism. This is not meant to be a conversation about Utilitarianism or humanism. Just to get you thinking about what ideals, traditions, and norms you think are so important. Though I know a lot of you guys here at this forum have already broken many of those norms and broken the barriers of illusion that come from society. Let's not forgot what caused our growth from the beginning.

BTW if you want to see the video by Singer and Richard Dawkins it's here. I am not a particular fan of Dawkins BTW. Though I think he still adds value to the world. The Greek Indian part is at 22:40 I think it is.

Peter Singer - The Genius of Darwin: The Uncut Interviews - Richard Dawkins

52  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Tom Campbell, Free Will & The Afterlife on: April 28, 2014, 09:26:05
It looks like LoLmart is coming across a related truth I thought of on my own awhile back. Which is if God always makes the right decisions, or for that matter any being, and he always calculates the right judgment. Then is he robotic with no true free will, since all of his judgments can be calculated and reasoned out? So the question becomes, well what is free will exactly exactly?  huh
53  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Welcome New Moderator Deepspace!! on: April 28, 2014, 09:05:52
Good for you deepspace. I actually noticed that in the moderators list earlier. And I was thinking "deepspace a moderator? that must be new."
54  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Heads up. Tom Campbell might do an AMA soon. on: April 26, 2014, 10:51:04
Now that's funny. smiley
I was talking about some PM's we were exchanging, but I guess you could relate it to that old thread. That one old thread that we all know about, but we are all afraid to bring back up. LOL cheesy
55  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Heads up. Tom Campbell might do an AMA soon. on: April 26, 2014, 09:02:55
He's not afraid to answer questions.  Love the guy.  Smiley
Yeah me too Xanth I love questions being answered, don't we all. LOL  cheesy  Inside joke.
56  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Do you think this forum is carefully watched by intelligence agencies? on: April 26, 2014, 09:00:32
No one was discounting the importance placed on cold fusion and the energy revolution that would surely follow. Nor does anyone think that cold fusion involves icebergs. Xanth just happened to make a funny joke in relation to it and the original topic. smiley
Great so if I try to make a joke, I'm sarcastic, if Xanth makes a joke he's funny. Don't take that seriously I was referring to the old thread too.  smiley
57  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Do you think this forum is carefully watched by intelligence agencies? on: April 26, 2014, 07:39:18
I'll have the last laugh as I actually know what I'm talking about. I've followed and studied LENR for years now. BTW it has nothing to do with making things cold.

60 Minutes Cold Fusion is Hot Again

58  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Do you think this forum is carefully watched by intelligence agencies? on: April 26, 2014, 05:47:17
I don't think they are likely watching this forum, but I bet they are watching what is going on with super cheap energy. Like the work of Andrea Rossi. I've heard of people in big places watching what's going on here, some in energy production, and other scientists. Some don't want to come out at all in favor of it for fear of being ridiculed or wrong, while others are just carefully reporting on what is going on.

Any scientist or energy expert will tell you that if cold fusion better known as LENR is real that we will be moving into a new area of wealth and abundance. I will be posting about this in a few months once Andrea Rossi's E-cat report comes out. It's going to shake the energy industries and others that will be effected but we the people as a whole will come out better for it in the coming decades.

Very few know about this yet it's been followed and reported by curious often smart people like myself and a few in the energy sector, scientists and probably government. If astral projection is real it won't pose and overnight overhaul of very much of anything. But if cold fusion/LENR is real it will shake the energy and political powers in the coming years.

59  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: How do you fall asleep? on: April 26, 2014, 01:15:17
Oh yeah, and I also sometimes will have to let the feeling of sleep relax the body and inside of my head to help drift off once I've been laying down for a while. That can help.
60  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Astral log on: April 25, 2014, 11:21:06
Speaking from some experience. I would say it's fine as long as your pretty stable mentally. If your not stable then no I wouldn't do it.

61  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: How do you fall asleep? on: April 25, 2014, 09:24:04
I take my medication and then I pass out. Hahaha No seriously I just get sleepy and let it happen. Though when I was working night shift I was having sleeping problems, so out of desperation I found a trick that helped. I would kind of push my eyes upward. Not actually putting my eye upward, but kind of straining to do that and this would help trigger the chemicals needed to fall asleep. The more I did it the better I got at doing it.
62  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Experiences leading to never AP'ing again on: April 20, 2014, 22:17:38
I think their decision is based on more of a subconscious level though. Something beyond their conscious control.
I have to agree with lionheart.
63  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Do medications and medicines interfere with astral projection? on: April 18, 2014, 11:04:38
Sorry.  I meant if you go to the home page, the Bedeekin method is under the heading, Astral consciousness.  But looks like you already found it anyway.

Another cool thing about this method is you'll know if it's going to work for you probably within the first few min. of your attempt.  Your visual field (blackness behind your eyelids) will become dynamic and have depth.  Almost sort of a tunnel effect.  When you see that, you know it's going to happen as long as you stay still and keep a quiet mind.  Back when I was doing this method (inadvertently --I hit upon that sleep schedule by accident) I was projecting just about every night.  Always consciously.  Wide awake conscious, too.  No grogginess.  Now that my schedule has changed, I only project once or twice a week.  So much harder for me now.  I should really get back to it.  Anyway, I know you have the med. issues, but best of luck if you try it and with your meditation!
Thaks soarin yesh I'll defineatly keep this method in mind. And good luck with your astral practice it sounds like your a natural almost.

64  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Looking to move to another country to learn about Astral Projection,where to go? on: April 17, 2014, 08:32:49
P.S. I will be going to a 1 week trip to India and see what it's like over there. Any recommendations?
Make sure you have a backup plan if you get robbed, or any other number of things that can go wrong on a trip to a foreign country.

Good luck.
65  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Do medications and medicines interfere with astral projection? on: April 17, 2014, 08:24:13
Hey plasma.  I don't have the answers to your questions, but I just had the thought to ask you if you've tried the Bedeekin method under Astral Consciousness?  It's the same way I did it from the beginning. I didn't even know what AP was when it happened to me.  I had set up the conditions for projection by accident, and when it happened I was totally shocked.  The reason I love this method is because you hardly even have to try. (As I said above, I didn't try at all.)  The process initiates itself and if you just lay still with a quiet mind, it'll just suck you right out.  I literally had to fight NOT to project on many occasions because it just kept sucking me out night after night and it was scaring me that I seemed to have no choice in the matter.  I know everyone's different and it might not work for you the same as for me, but a lot of other people besides me swear by this method.  If you haven't tried it already, give it a read.  Here's the idea.  Get up early, nap at 7 or 8 pm for an hour and 1/2--no more, you don't want to dream. (you must be tired for the nap and do not project at the nap)  Then go to bed around 2 hrs. after you wake up from your nap and consciously project.  See the thread for details.  Smiley

I only read a little bit about Bedeekin method the other day. Just checked there is nothing about "astral consciouses" in it. It sounds like it probably won't work, since I have to take my medicines to sleep. I'm talking right now with Xan in depth about this through PMing, and so far he is saying that should just focus on meditation, which I am good at. The Bedeekin method does seem like a good method. Thanks for your suggestion soarin.
66  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Do medications and medicines interfere with astral projection? on: April 16, 2014, 02:45:58
I knew I should have made my post smaller.
67  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: no common sense on: April 16, 2014, 02:42:28
I use to be kind of like you bear, we all deal with this type of stuff in one way or another. Don't beat yourself up. If you were ever abused or beaten or even just had corporeal punishment as a kid then that might have something to do with it, and this effect can even be exaggerated in kids with mental hindrances. IDK if that describes you at all, but we all deal with similar things. So like lionheart said go and list some of your qualities and focus on those more.

Am a little weird too, but am also very unique, and smart in my own way.

Good luck.
68  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Has anybody visited the sun? on: April 15, 2014, 23:31:53
dam I can't wait until I learn how to project. lol
I remember Marilynn Hughes talking about going into other dimensions by going into the sun. When I told them here about that they said if you believe it. LOL I bet that is more common to go into higher dimensions in the upper levels though. She use to talk about being out of body for days at a time. Quite a women. Though she does seem to get into some of the mystical stuff.

69  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Do medications and medicines interfere with astral projection? on: April 15, 2014, 10:53:21
First off it's been years since I seriously tried to astral project. I was absolutely determined at the time to astral project. But my health prevented me. I was doing the method where you go to sleep and wake up for a while then go back to bed and try to project. [EDIT: But it was too hard on my health to do in any real meaningful way at least then. My health has slightly improved. The main thing was trying to stay conscious while sleeping ended up lowering my sleep and my immune system.] I am chronically affected health wise. I don't want to really talk about it in detail. If any of you want or need to know then just PM me and I will share. Even though it as bad as it is, I still might be able to do it. I am not fully sure if I want to get into astral projection like I did years ago, but I definitely want to talk about it, and see what you guys think. I am way past the part of believing as most beginners seem to struggle with this.

I have only astral projected maybe 2 times when I was sick some years ago. They were short, but I've had lucid dreams before, but these seemed like they were not like lucid dreams. Though I can't say for sure. They were both very short. One was bright in a city the other in a dark place. And when I woke from the dark OBE I felt my spirit body enter by physical body. But they were so short.

I know you guys probably can't say for sure if my medicines will interfere with astral projection, but perhaps you guys have some insight. I take herbal, over the counter, and prescription medicines. Most of which help me sleep or help me deal with my tinnitus which is really bad. Though I will mention that I do get music in my head that keeps playing over and over almost all the time. The music usually changes to whatever I listen to recently. I mentioned this some where that I have really bad tinnitus.

The one thing I have been doing quite a bit of in cycles is meditation. I know how to unidentify with my surroundings and even my thoughts to a degree. I have felt what it's like to ride the mind on the breath. Quite awesome. I know what it’s like to have all your awareness being one pointed. But I always give up, for a variety of reasons. I feel like I am slowly losing my mojo over the years for my own experimental spiritual experience. Sometimes it’s for health. Sometimes just get bored of meditating. Sometimes this and that. I have always acted kind of bipolar, but I always come back to meditation, When I do meditate, I can meditate for hours a day sometimes. I love meditating many times with my eyes open. It keeps my mind aware, and alert. I also notice that when I meditate on the heart more often than not I will get dreams where I am really mad, or really sad about something. And once and a while, I think something is just so funny. I get terrible nightmares if I lower too many sleeping medicines.

I know that if I can astral project, then many more people can astral project than what I would have thought. I fear that my medicines would interfere too much with the bodies natural chemistry, and even if I do get a little success, but just a small change in medicines might affect future outcomes, thus making it predictable might be hard. So it would make it hard to find one good technique and stick with it perhaps. Among all my skepticism that I can't do it, I have some hope. My hope is that perhaps there is something that can work. The one thing I can do is meditate. And all the other things that people can do to help them project during the day. But that is not when it counts the most. That is all that I have to my advantage though. And if I can use that to teach myself to project then that would be great. I usually fully asleep while most people are talking about vibrations and all this stuff. I rarely get lucid dreams. And I rarely get any vibrations.

Usually every 6 months I might get a lucid dream if I am lucky. Never got lucid dreams as a kid though really. Though I did record and think about my dreams a lot when I was a kid. I did get a lucid dream not too long ago, though I quickly fell asleep. No doubt I feel like my medicines are likely preventing me from astral projecting. And they will likely cause inconsistencies in trying to project since my health and symptoms go in cycles. I know you guys probably have the standard “anyone can do it” mentality, but I am skeptical. I know the effects of medicines and molecules on the spiritual body can be extremely strong. For instance we have all heard of people that undergo anesthesia and have an OBE, some go high into the heavens. Or psychedelics for instance. So if these medicines can can make on go toward the spiritual realms, then naturally there should be medicines that make one go in the opposite direction.

OK so one of my thoughts is that I can use meditation to help lead me to astral projection. If one can learn to draw their attention into the non-physical through meditation, then this would be the route I wouldn’t mind going. I have experience with numerous mind states though meditation. Though labeling them is something else. Probably since they are so subjective. Recently I like the idea of experimenting with space in my meditations. Though I also had the idea of trying to phase while awake. I am use to different mind states through meditation. And I tell them apart many times. Whenever I talk about mind states at spiritual forums they say no need for thought or trying. even though many of my mind states are pretty natural without much effort, IDK.

I also have another cool idea. It’s that I can wake up a few hours before I usually get up, and use an e-cigarette to help myself become lucid. The idea is that nicotine is an acetylcholine analog. In other words nicotine mimics the effects of acetylcholine. And lucid dreams have used acetylcholine enhancers for a long time with decent results for many of them. And of course lucid dreaming is next to astral projection.

So the main questions are.
1. May my medicines interfere with astral projection?

2. What about a specific meditation that could enhance astral projection?

3. Also how effective is waking imagination for helping one astral project?

70  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Fictional Worlds Exist on: April 11, 2014, 23:53:11
I remember Robert Bruce talking about using your imagination to get in touch with the non-physical. He also recommend energy work. I know for me there has been times where my feelings have effected thoughts. We know molecules can give certain feeling, eg serotonin can give a calming feeling, Oxytocin is the love hormone. We look at psychedelics and see how a physical substance with one or more molecules, can make a spiritual experience. My only thought is that somewhere the lines are blurred between what is actually physical and what is non-physical. There must me some kind of middle ground here when talking about the physical versus the non-physical. I don't think is entirely correct to separate the two. Since then there would be no interaction between the spirit, and the body. There must be some parts that have a little bit of the physical and a little bit non-physical like a medium between the two. Figuring out that is a mystery as of right now, just like a lot of spiritual questions. I don't mean to confuse the conversation here between what is physical, and non-physical, but rather give my input on how I see it, and perhaps spark some imagining.  wink  In the mean time let's stick to what the avid astral projectors are telling us on what works.

71  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Looking to move to another country to learn about Astral Projection,where to go? on: April 11, 2014, 06:30:59
If your afraid of how kundalini will effect you then just stick with water meditation. And stay away from fire traditions.

Also I heard that you want to work in India. This sounds more like you just want to get out from the place you are at right now, than to seclude yourself so that you can meditate many hours a day. You just might be able to do it if you go part time. I am thinking like 20 hours a week if your lucky. But that could easily be pushing it especially if you get a stressful job or a long commute, which would negate the meditative benefits. So I doubt this is going to give you the benefits you think you are going to get. Most all the spiritual practices that you think they have for you at an Ashim you can learn right from your computer or books right off of amazon or something. So if I were you I would just focus on secluding yourself right at your current place you are living, and meditate many hours a day there, and practice astral projection while your at it. If you are insistent on going to India then go to like I said and type in Bangalore, India into the "within * Miles of" box. But IMO I don't think this is going to give you what you are looking for. And if you think you could prove it to me other wise, then tell me what you think going to India is going to give you, more than staying where you are currently at? I know you were talking about not having to deal with car problems, then why not just buy a new car? And if your can't, then why do you think going to India is not going to give you car problems. If getting public transportation is an issue. Then find someplace near you that has public transportation. In the end if you mostly just want to get out of your current situation for non-spiritual reasons then say that. I'm just having a hard time believing that you have to go to India. Do they have any places where you can meditate where you live right now? Try and see if you don't know.

72  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / About yesterdays crazy thread with psychedelics, meditation, & cryptic talk. on: April 10, 2014, 02:54:38
This post is referring to here.;msg344888#msg344888

For those of you that haven't heard my apology yet. Let me just say straight out, I am sorry for my part in what happened at this thread. Let's read on to find out more.

Some thoughts about yesterday. You should all know that I was tired yesterday. So today I don't feel as bad having slept, and especially after having talked with Aaron via PM. Szaxx has also been supportive via PM. And so after having Aaron tell me that he couldn't figure out what either side was trying to say. I got a good laugh out of that, after having read it. So I see that it wasn't just me that couldn't decipher this cryptic language.  I also apologized to Aaron for what happened with my part in the whole thing, since I know it was his thread to begin with. I see Aaron as an outsider viewer, and think his voice is valuable here in understanding the dynamics of last nights conversation. This was his perspective “I'm sure there was definitely a bit of them leading you on as well though.” He saw it go both ways though, as I admitted I messed up too I feel like I naturally had a wall up. I still have a wall up, I am tried again now. LOL Sleepiness and debating don't mix. LOL OK back to serious talk.

[EDIT: As you can see I post too quick. I hope I don't end up editing this more. I will send all of you PM's when i am fully done editing this. Upon further reflection I thought I would add some words here. I think the post went bad when I answered Xanth by not taking his cryptic game seriously in his first post. I knew he was likely doing this. And so I posed a question to him in response. In the end I started this whole thing in when I interpreted Xanth first post to mean that my unmanifest post was all metaphorical. Yet in looking back he may have not had been saying that. And it just slowly snowballed from there I guess. Even though I answered AstralZombie just fine.

Perhaps I made too much of a deal with the cryptic talk on this page, IDK.

It’s very easy for man to look at things as black and white. He’s right he’s wrong, but the truth is often times multicolored, and multifaceted. Having different and seemingly opposing views that somehow fit together in and bigger picture. I often do look at things this way, but not very much yesterday in a certain way.

Also I think my underlying thought was that I really did want to understand what Xanth was saying I was just frustrated trying to relate it to my psychedelic post.

Also just because I was being a bit sarcastic, and overly bearing, and all that stuff, I did ask a lot of questions that didn’t get answered. I also said a lot that showed I was serious about this, and not only trying to be a bit sarcastic and whatever else. So those are my extra thoughts.]

[Edit number two: I want to add that I will not act like I did here again. And I also took out some of the cryptic talk here Xanth, Somewhere inside of me thought I was probably having too much cryptic talk here so I went ahead and deleted some of it.

I assure you guys that my underlying intent was to learn, I was just not channeling some past negative mental energy energy correctly.]

As far as me being condescending, I think I was being a more humorously sarcastic than condescending IMO. BTW I never called anyone names. But there was a some sarcasm and belittling on my part, Xanth was kind enough to call it “extremely overbearing” and saying that I was not being a jerk or belittling. IDK if words can truly describe it all, since beliefs have a lot to do with it. AstralZombie’s post at 65 could be interpreted as being sarcastic, and belittling. Which didn’t help, though I didn’t reply with any sarcastic, belittling, condescending, statements to him, yet he felt at liberty at the end to call me belittling and condescending when Xanth the main one talking to me didn’t use such harsh words. Its not like this is the first time me an Xanth as talked, with 248 posts to be name. I am sorry for the negative effects of my actions. At the same time IMHO you guys that are use to this cryptic language stuff didn't even see how this was belittling the main post on that page. The original topic on that page that was begging for some real input that not only I could understand, but Aaron could also understand. Aaron the original thread poster seemed to really like what I had posted. Somehow I think in some way I was more wrong than you guys, but just maybe you guys were more wrong than me in some way. At the end of the day and I am sorry for the role I played in the whole thing. But at the same time you guys did play a part too. - Knowingly or unknowingly I know none of us at the time thought we were belittling or should I say overbearing to anyone hardly, but that is just the way it turned out, and that was the effect of both sides actions. That is just the way it happened.

Most of you didn't know that before the thread closed I wanted to work this out through me and Xanth PMing each other, by totally starting from the beginning again, and redoing this in order to figure out what else could have been said, and learned. Of course by the time I got back the thread it was locked. So I ended up PM'ing Xanth about it anyway. All of you guys are use or know this cryptic talk, that is why you’all took Xanth side right away probably. You understood what Xanth was really saying. But in the real world, on earth, in the physical, this cryptic talk is not typical.

I do take the spiritual path seriously, regardless of what you guys might think. Also I know that you guys probably practice more spiritually than me, but I have my reasons, often health related why I don’t. Even though I am feeling better today about it, I am still kind of put out by it all. I felt in a way that some of you guys kind of kept letting me dig myself in deeper while you guys couldn't do anything better than using cryptic language, or talk about things that were not related to the main post for that page. That is just the way it is. I can't be too upset about it since many times we do and say things we don't really mean, or we haven't thought about it in a certain way, or something like that. So it is what it is. And that is just going to be, the way it’s going to be. Meaning let go. It’s the past.

For the record Xanth after I asked  you to answer some of my questions you said ”Well, I didn't see any questions... just statements and rhetorical questions which you answered for yourself.” I did ask questions. And even if I did answer some of my own questions I still wanted you to answer them, as it would have helped. There was only one question that I didn’t want you to to answer. But usually if I ask a question I want an answer. So I found all in all I found 7 questions that you never answered Xanth. I was being patient too in my own way. And the questions I didn’t answer from Xanth 1 maybe 2.

This is meant to help explain my position since I feel I was singled out here. It’s not meant beat Xanth up. LOL I was dealing with a lot too.

I have a theory that if I had just seriously answered Xanth first question, and if I had taken it at face value instead and went along with his cryptic game, that this all may not have ever happened. Xanth needs a opt out option for those he uses cryptic language with. LOL I also want to thank Xanth for being patient with me, so thanks for that.

I will not respond to any cryptic talk, and I will likely not even respond to debate, unless specifically asked, though cautiously.

I will say one last thing. Silence can speak a thousand words.

73  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: How do OBE's compare to physical reality? on: April 09, 2014, 03:10:57
A solid few hours of perspective gaining thought... nice.  LoL
You've got a lifetime to reflect upon it.
What is that Russian your speaking, with a Ukrainian accent? I'm just letting you know this is not helping me, it's likely to make me think your even more out of touch than I originally thought. The people on the psychedelic forums will know what I am talking about more than you guys............... I would have expected more from this place.
74  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: How do OBE's compare to physical reality? on: April 09, 2014, 02:27:28
Now that I have finally done what you said Xanth and took a step back I realize what went on. A lot of you (not all) either knowingly or unknowingly totally detract from my post. And whether I was staying on topic or not is irrevent. And this is for two reasons. One the original poster here Aaron liked my post, (this is his thread you know). Two, I am probably the only one that has kept this thread going for so long, and if I stopped this thread would be dying or at least wouldn’t be very active.

Also it seems that most of you were not really interested at all if peak psychedelic experiences had anything in common with the pinnacle of the worlds meditative traditions. And to post whether or not I had accomplished anything was just another distraction from what I was trying to point out. One thing at a time guys, I will answer that, but this is not the time or context for it. Lets see if we can first learn something here from this, since it must rise or fall on it's own merits, and not mine or yours specifically. A reporter doesn't have to part take of doing an act they are reporting about for them to have respect. Only if what they present is true should they be given some respect, not if they part took with the report. So then if you are curious I will tell you what I have accomplished. But not now.

And deepspace it seems like you fell for what everyone else was doing. Your first post had nothing but good to say. While or second post took a huge turn for skepticism, and over what I have accomplished, to changing the topic, to talking about “other peoples theoretical accomplishments” that is a stark contrast to what your original post talking about “We know this state exists and I, like you definitely want to experience it.“ Why the change in tone all of the sudden deepspace as soon as you heard what others had to say?

75  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: How do OBE's compare to physical reality? on: April 09, 2014, 00:09:57
And... after travelling all that way, will you be the same person?  Wink
I'll answer your question, if you answer Szaxx's question?

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