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51  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Something I just need to express on: October 06, 2016, 03:14:08
Plasma, there's that phrase again "Spiritual Technology". A "Bing" search on that brings me to "The Church of Spiritual Technology",  also known as "Scientology" and you don't want to get me started on that. I know and have worked for "Scientologists" in the past and no, just no.
 http://www.bing.com/search?q=spiritual%20technology&FORM=BB07LB&PC=BB07&QS=n
LOL I don't consider Scientology to have real spiritual tools. I've heard of the things they promote. And it seems much more like a marketing scheme than spiritual.

If people need a "Nanobot" or some other techno device to "force" them in being "spiritual", using your term Plasma, then they don't know the real meaning of the word period. It comes from within, not from a device. It comes from personally experiencing life in general and deciding what is and what isn't, not something that is triggered by a "stimulant" to the brain.
  smiley Like I said science and technology will prove I am right in it's own timing, and this will happen in my lifetime probably. So just next time you see articles in the coming months, years, and decades about the things I've talked about remember what I said.

The movie "Wally" is coming back to my mind quite a bit lately with all of the talk I hear everywhere on Transhumanism. Google/Microsoft and other companies in the Silicone Valley are working feverishly on making this a reality. Hmm, I wonder why. could it be "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"?
Yeah sure they are doing it for money. But as long as they make it work then I don't care. The price should go down once these technologies are streamlined.
52  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Something I just need to express on: October 06, 2016, 01:57:31
Plasma! I just wanted to point out simply, what causes acne. Smiley thats all. It is a manifestation on the body (face).
I think that is obvious. Am I missing anything?
53  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Something I just need to express on: October 06, 2016, 01:50:40
You've heard the phrase, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink," right?
You can't FORCE your truth onto others.  We guide people to the water... it's up to them to drink.  Well, it's even up to them to be guided to the water in the first place.  Some people don't want the water, they want a different water entirely.  It's NOT your job to pull someone kicking and screaming to your water.  You'd do well to remember that.
But did I really force anything? We're all in the comfort of our own home. We're just talking, no swear words we're used, I didn't even get into specifics. IDK Xanth. But I get the general idea right. You don't want to hear what I believe is the truth. Like I said if what I have talked about is true there is nothing anyone here can do to change it. If it's the truth, nobody can stop it. The million dollar question is "is it my truth or is it the truth?" To which there is no consensus yet. But considering I know in depth about almost all spiritual technologies, even a kid will tell you I would be more apt to know the truth of this matter.  grin

Also, you're confusing YOUR truth for THE truth.  You do realize that those are two completely different things, right? 
We all have our own truths... although, I highly doubt there's a single individual living on this planet today who has THE truth.
I already covered that. I know the difference.

To bring this back to the original post...
I've been a part of many different forums and they've all had their own place in my self-discovery, through the good and the bad times.
The Astral Pulse has been significantly more important to me than the others though.  I love this place.  Smiley
And what is that exactly? LOL I can agree with that though, personally being on this forum has benefited me probably more than any other forum, because I was tormented by thoughts of hell, I didn't think I deserved anything more at certain times in my life. It's only through understanding the NP that I lost my fear of hell. And Szaxx was the main one that helped in that regard. Thanks man I still appreciate it, if your reading this.
54  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Something I just need to express on: October 06, 2016, 01:12:48
Dear Plasma! Cheesy Let me ask you, do you have an issue about other people watching you and think certain things about you and this issue bothers you? Like watching your face and you have a negative thinking about what others are thinking about you?
LOL No, I was raised a Christian with the belief that we should convert others from ignorance to truth. Now I am no longer a Christian really but I do have a strong belief in helping others see the truth, even if the truth is not politically correct, or if they are resistant to it. You see I honestly believe everything I said in that other thread. I honestly really believe that the things I talked about can be used as a powerful catalyst for spiritual growth. But besides the topic in the other thread. I've done this on other forums too. I have a very strong conviction sometimes that it's my duty to help others see the truth no matter how close minded they are right now, and no matter how un-politically correct I sound.

Things change and you will be surprised at how fast things can change. Just look at marijuana legalization, or gay rights, and right to die. These are all gaining traction, and nobody would have predicted their growth 50 years ago. It was inconceivable back then. That isn't even talking about the amount of racism we've overcome with the first black president being elected. So things change, because the truth trumps everything. No pun intended. LOL

Sometimes I feel like no matter how much I try it won't matter anyway and the only real mover of peoples opinions when it comes to things like this is science and technology. Science and technology has the ability to show the truth in the end no matter what. I am talking about really good science and technology. Science and technology will be the main movers of opinion in the years to come. And there is nothing anyone can do about that. Social change is as inevitable as the earth revolving around the sun. Perhaps all my talking has little to no impact overall. But I will keep trying to bridge the gap between these spiritual technologies, because I still have that conviction that one day all the spiritual technologies can live in harmony, and the light of truth will shine in the darkest areas. Damn I sound like a christian again. Hahaha

I am a very strong believer in the first amendment too.
55  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Something I just need to express on: October 05, 2016, 19:41:39
Thanks for sharing that Nameless. Your always welcome here, but if you take drugs we'll disown you. LOL  grin  No I'm kidding, or am I? Inside joke for those that don't get it. Anyway thanks for sharing that, we all need a place to talk about our thoughts about the spiritual, and our experiences. I consider the pulse here to be my main home for spiritual talk.

As far as being depressed. Well I can certainly relate. I was recently put on a medication for acne and I got really depressed. I thought it would go away, but it didn't. I thought it would go away because I've been on accutane before and was depressed and I was able to get over it. But it only got worse while on minocyline. After I woke up 2 days in a role at 3:30 in the morning I decided enough is enough and I got off of it. And it's taken me months to get back to normal. We all go through our own struggles in different but similar ways. Keep up your good work on your spiritual journey.
56  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 05, 2016, 06:50:48
Perhaps it was your comment on "Nanobots being used for spiritual advancement and Astral Projection" that got you that warning Plasma, lol!  grin
cheesy  rolleyes
57  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 05, 2016, 06:30:57
On another note Leo just said something I never thought I would hear him say since he's been such a naturalist, he quoted Thomas Campbell in his new video here. I forget exactly where it's at but it's in the first half of the video I know.

Low Quality vs High Quality Consciousness
https://youtu.be/Hg8JDHlkIrM

If Leo is listening to Thomas Campbell I know he's definitely changed his train of thought about reality to a pretty high degree, and IMO his psychedelic use catalyzed that. And little other things he's said makes me think this too. This is theoretical of course.
58  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 05, 2016, 06:28:51
Plasma, please keep the drug talk out of here.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/aup_addendum_must_read-t44680.0.html

This goes to everyone else as well please.
I don't think I broke the rules as the link you posted says.

"There are no taboo topics here and mental conditions and drug use are a part of our reality and can be appropriate for discussion but only for academic purposes, meaning they are only up for discussion as to what role they play in our theoretical understanding of the larger reality. Questions in regards to how much of a supplement or drug should be ingested (even legal ones) are not our area of expertise so please refrain from asking and use common sense before posting similar questions."

You can't get into a "theoretical understanding" without getting into personal opinion. Which is what I did. I never directly promoted any molecule that our body doesn't already make anyway. So in that sense 5-MEO-DMT isn't a drug. Because if 5-MEO-DMT is a drug then our body is full of drugs. Which doesn't make sense. But beyond any psychedelic talk all I really wanted out of this thread was to get people to see a very interesting story about a very powerful "larger reality" experience psychedelic or not.

OK I've got a theoretical question for you Xanth. If 5-MEO-DMT was eventually legalized for medical use and scientifically proven to give permanent enlightenment in 90 percent of people that consistently take it, and 100 percent proven to give a spiritual experience, then would you consider taking it in a medical setting?
59  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 01, 2016, 19:24:24
I just dont trust any exp. while using drugs . I tried weed once 25+ years ago . I know how it change your percpt. of reality .
Well not all tools are created equally. And I admit that since we don't have really good science on these psychedelics it's really hard to say with absolute confidence anything about them unless we take them ourselves over a period of time or we study what others have to say. Which isn't for the vast majority of people. So your view is understandable. At the same time it also means that you really don't know much of anything about this type of spiritual tool called psychedelics. And BTW marijuana isn't a real psychedelic. So it's like comparing apples and oranges, not a good idea.

Let me ask you Desert Rat if a certain type of nanobot were scientifically proven to give people spiritual enlightenment within one year would you use the nanobots to catalyze your spiritual growth?
60  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 01, 2016, 06:50:54
You will become additive to the drug.   Not because the drug itself is addictive as you say.   You will become dependent on taking the drug if ap works.   If ap works you will want to take the drug again and again.   You have obviously made up your mind that you will take the drug and we cannot persuade you not to do it.   It is your choice, your life.   
Contrary to what you might think I've never taken DMT, 5-MEO-DMT, LSD, and many other psychedelics. I can't even count the amount of psychedelics I've taken in my whole life on one hand. And I've never astral projected on any of them. I won't go into the benefits I got from them least a moderator locks this thread. But I will say that I've benefited from them. And I've never taken a strong dose. And I've never gotten addicted from any psychedelic. Like I said psychedelics aren't addictive except for the dissociative psychedelics which have some addiction potential. Personally I wouldn't recommend any of those for spiritual use.

Lastly try telling the shamans in Peru and the Amazon that the people they treat with ayahuasca and peyote, tell them that they are going to make a bunch of drug addicts. Grow up.

Thanks for chiming in these discussions need to be had.
61  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 01, 2016, 06:30:50
I will watch to whole video.   I don't use drugs myself.  All I was doing was advising any one else to understand the effects of any substance before using it.
OK
62  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 01, 2016, 06:28:46
You only need to stay still when you wake in the morning. Just be aware of yourself and don't move anything. Opening your eyes kills it. Put yourself as an atom floating in the room like an air element then wait with strong intent to see a whitewashed background. Enlarge yourself so you can see the room and if successful it'll appear in 360 degrees vision. You can stay still and look around, look sideways then try toove slowly forwards. This will be interesting for you as your point of perspective was sideways you'll move in a different direction from what you perceive.
Best of luck with it.
You don't need supplements, just intent.
If a 9 year old can do it, I'm sure you can lol.
You know Szaxx, if anyone here could convince me to try and astral project again it would be you. You have done more to help me than anyone else here. And I must say that you got me seriously thinking about it again. But I admit that I really think it would take a lot of effort and time for me to accomplish this than what you would think it would take. After all you have been astral projecting naturally since you were a kid. So be understanding for those that aren't naturals at it like myself. For you I will try some of my own techniques that I like using. And maybe I'll incorporate some of this stuff into it too. I can't guarantee that I can keep up for years without success but I will try to do it when I can.  grin  And if I do succeed then I am sure it would only motivate me to go further. Perhaps micro-dosing magic mushrooms would help.  evil grin

Either way thanks Szaxx.
63  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 01, 2016, 06:13:58
No, not saying he's been doing it since the 70s. I was referring to the 'peace movements' here in the US from the mid 60s to around the mid 70s. The Stoners if you will. Psychedelics were big back then.
I can respect your thinking on that. My personal experience has led me to think the opposite. I'm just not into medications outside taking something for an illness. Drugs are partially responsible for damaging my mother's life and she was not a drug-head. All she did was follow doctors orders.
 Nothing that dramatic more like if I can walk I don't need a wheelchair.
I am sorry your mother died. But let's be clear here any drug that is prescribed is prescribed because the that medical professional has weighed that the pros outweigh the cons any given medication. So if your mom died it likely wasn't because of any drugs prescribed.

I would be dead a couples of time over if modern medicine didn't come and save me with medications and treatments, and I am only 34 years old right now. I've also just recently dealt with severe depression caused by a rare reaction from an acne antibiotic medication. And am still recovering months later from that but overall I've been saved from them more often than not. You just have to be very careful taking any sort of drug and even not taking medication once you get old.

This is correct. I can say without experimentation we may as well quit. One thing, my comments are rarely ever to be taken to extremes. I usually stick only with my own thoughts and experience. I think if you want to experiment and you find something that helps you then you should go with that as should everyone. Take what you need and leave the rest. This is a good topic for discussion.
Finally someone gets it here. Finally someone understands that it's not necessarily about what everyone else is doing. It's not about the standard versus the fringe. It's not about that at all, it's about WHAT WORKS!!! And please correct me if I misrepresentation what you meant there. What actually works to bring us closer to our source/God/Love whatever you want to call it.

Thanks for chiming in Nameless.
64  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: September 30, 2016, 19:09:27
I will reply to the rest of you's later.
65  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: September 30, 2016, 19:09:09
I just got a few minutes in to the video and heard psychedelics.  I advise any one using any kind of drug to know what they are doing.  To be fair I will watch to whole video.
P.s. I am not sure if I can watch this all the way through.  The guy just looks like some one that has used too many drugs.
Leo has just started taking psychedelics. In fact in some of his recent other videos he advised against any drugs while talking about enlightenment. But he like many others have found that classical psychedelics pose no physical addictive potential. In fact psychedelics are increasingly used to treat addiction with a very high success rate.

Besides Leo has also been working on self-actualization and enlightenment work hardcore without any psychedelics for about 3 years. So if anyone is qualified enough to give an honest look at these substances well call psychedelics it's Leo. He's about as unbiased as you going to get, because he's been on both sides of the field.

EDIT: And yes it's vitally important that one fully researchers any drug/substance/molecule/psychedelic they ingest. I'm fully with you on that.
66  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: September 30, 2016, 02:32:22
I agree that it is good to do things to make ap easier, like you said training wheels.   If it involves using drugs it is a bad idea.   It messes up your brain.   I would imagine it would mess up your ap experiences as well.   You can become addicted to using drugs.   I am very grateful that I do not use drugs.   Life is hard enough without adding another problem.   There are a number of other ways to get training wheels without taking drugs.    
OK you say that now then tonight when you go to bed, your body will probably release DMT and 5-MEO-DMT to help you astral project. LOL

Again this is a personal preference. What is a God sent for one person can be hell for another who abuses the same substance. It's a sharp double edged sword. Used rightfully it creates heaven on earth. Used with ignorance, and carelessness you create hell on earth.

Again, this is not a topic for babies spiritually just as a sword needs it's a mature handler.

To your credit we do need more studies with these things. So it's understandable that your skeptical of any such means of spiritual growth. But IMO it also means that you don't really understand them either. If you did then you would know that psychedelics aren't addictive except for the dissociative psychedelics. And that anything can be psychologically addictive including food and working out. Do we not eat food because they can be psychologically addictive of course not. Everything in moderation.

Thanks for chiming in Astralsuzy.

It sounds to me like you already made our decision. So why even ask people's opinion here?
Well I've never if ever have heard astral projectors talk about such a deep experience. Clearly what Leo experienced was a true spiritual experience. And if you think it was just a drug high I think your poorly mistaken. But yeah I thought you's would find it interesting at the very least. That is really mostly what I was hoping for.

There have been other threads like this here on the Astral Pulse and they ALWAYS get the same response. You already see that we don't need "drugs" of any kind to succeed here. It takes patience, practice, perseverance and a focused will and intent to succeed.

Good for you taking the soon to be old fashion, tried but true route to astral projection. Why do I call it soon to be old fashion? Well nanobots will be coming soon to give us astral projection on demand. So many will opt to go that route soon.  wink

Many others and I have attempted to help you over the years with conventional methods.
Yeah and I am very grateful for that. If I wasn't I wouldn't be still hanging around here.

But for one reason or another you always made excuses why they wouldn't work for you. If you had put half the time that you spent asking questions here at the Astral Pulse into your practice, you would be a natural by now.  wink You have been a member here since 2010. That's a lot of practice time there.

The most I got out of learning about astral projection wasn't the methods, but rather it really helped me loose my fear of hell, since I grew up in a fundamentalist christian home. Besides I've been juggling a health condition back then. And now I'm juggling being a College student and a job. So Excuse me if I don't have too much time for this. And I admit that I really wanted to astral project years ago. But do you know what happened? My health was so bad at the time that I became discouraged with learning to astral project. Every time I tried to astral project I would would have sleeping problems. And just a little bit of sleeping problems would worsen my health condition. Luckily I no longer have those health problems like I use to. But I am very busy. In fact I should be working on homework right now. But this is a very interesting discussion to me.

I have opened other people's eyes up to another possibility, the NP, using my L/S Machine in the past. But not one of them pursued this any further. They saw what they saw and just kind of thought it's not for them I guess. I was shocked. I always thought the "magic pill" would work. But now I see I was mistaken.
Once I get out of College I'll probably go back to working on astral projection methods. Today I told a guy at college that what he experienced could have been astral projection. So I am still on your side. I am the one that is telling others about astral projection too.

Lastly I see right through your post here. You used a logically fallacy called ad hominem to attack me and my character rather than the substance of this talk. So let's not make this personal. OK I am still on your side. I still love astral projection. I still dream about it. Last night I dreamt that I was flying. Let's not make this psychedelics versus astral projection. Since I really strongly believe that one day psychedelics and astral projection live in harmony within society.
67  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: September 30, 2016, 00:35:36
HI Plasma, can't speak for anyone else but the reason I fell silent was twofold. One 'life' happened meaning I got sidetracked in the here and now. Two, I don't care to experiment with drugs (natural or not). I've seen that look Leo has many many times, especially in the 70s when psychedelics were all the rage (again).

As bad as legitimate doctors are at prescribing medication these days I would seriously run from any of them that got into prescribing government sanctioned psychedelics. LOL.

And it's just not necessary as all these states can be reached quite naturally.  
Thanks for replying Nameless. I like to talk about this subject. OK a few things. So as far as I know Leo just started doing psychedelics. So were you saying that Leo has been taking psychedelics since the 70's? I am confused since you worded it weird.

Also I would be dead if it wasn't for medications prescribed by doctors. And when psychedelics are legalized and they will, it will be done with purity, controls, and medical personal present. I would feel totally safe in such a controlled environment knowing that if anything went wrong I would have medical professionals ready to help.

Define natural for me because we seem to have this idea that natural is somehow better. Volcano's, avalanches, tornadoes, hurricanes, cyanide, naturally genetic diseases, natural disorders. None of these things are good yet they are natural.

What I think you might be really trying to say is "being able to reach these states without help." No that doesn't make sense. OK "being able to reach these states without the help of substances like 5-MEO-DMT." OK but that doesn't make sense either since 5-MEO-DMT is probably endogenously released when we astral project, and without it we probably couldn't astral project. We already know that the body produces 5-MEO-DMT by itself. See there is no difference fundamentally speaking. If one person relies on endogenous DMT (from the body) good for them. And if someone else relies off of exogenous DMT (outside the body) good for them for finding some very good training wheels that would take the other guy a long time to figure out on his own probably.

At the end of the day saying psychedelics are "just not necessary" is like a cave man saying to the inventor of the wheel. "Why do you need a wheel when you can walk it's more natural?" Or telling a child "you don't need training wheels to help you learn to ride a bike it's more natural if you don't use training wheels." As you can see it's a personal preference. And not only that the wheel will never replace walking. And walking will never replace the wheel. Both accomplish the same thing different ways. Like the old saying goes there is more than one way to skin a cat.

Now you can see where I am coming from. Thanks for chiming in Nameless.
68  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: September 29, 2016, 18:02:40
Plasma, there is a good reason our bodies produce very little of this chemical. Do your research on the dangers of this drug. We dont encourage the use of any substances (natural or synthetic), which safety has not been determined. I've read many account of users reporting mental and cognitive issues for months after they stopped using this drug.
Also, spiritual growth is not dependent on the ability to focus to non-physical environments.
I am well aware that it can be damaging at high doses if one is not use to it, just like running a marathon if one hasn't been practing. In a perfect world a doctor would gradually build up ones tolerance so that the body and mind have time to adjust. But until then it's up to psychonauts to be very careful. When a Doctor prescribes medication it's all about the pros outweighing the cons. Same with any other drug. And clearly some really benefit from psychedelics while others don't. At the end of the day it's up to every individual if they want to safely explore these substances or abuse them.
69  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: September 29, 2016, 17:43:53
This state is easily reached and is a part of what you come across as a natural. I wonder how many others here met with it at an early age?
With a thought you can shrink to nothing or envelop every point of the universe.
Kids stuff lol
Geez Szaxx your way more advanced than I originally thought.  shocked wink And thanks for clarifying that this can be a natural state.
70  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: September 29, 2016, 05:45:45
Most threads die on this Forum after a few posts. You for one should know that already. It has nothing to do with your introducing the "drug content".

 The video link you gave above explains that this guy experiments with different types of Psychedelics to aid in his "altered states". So your revelation that this guy was under the influence of something wasn't a shock at all.

 What kind of a reaction were you looking for?
Oh I just thought people would have had something to say after finding out exactly what he took to reach that state. Instead it got really quiet, and this is a fascinating topic for me so it didn't make sense. For me what is so shocking is that it seems to be a very clean psychedelic is that it only really increases consciousness and kills the ego without the side effects some of the other psychedelics have. And on top that it seems to cause permanent kundalini awakening. Then of course being able to go to the core of reality and all this with a substance that someone can take. It's really revolutionary. I am very interested in using this as a route to catalyze my spiritual growth at some point.
71  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: September 29, 2016, 04:22:42
It got quiet all of the sudden. What's wrong does taking a molecule for spiritual enlightenment not fit your world view? You's are way too politically correct. News flash the truth isn't always politically correct.

Like I said this is meat of the truth and not the milk of the truth. Once you realize the that power of heaven and enlightenment can be found in the study and use of drugs like 5-MEO-DMT we are one step closer to reaching perfection through science. Then bringing enlightenment and spirituality to the masses becomes a piece of cake.

Psychedelics are the only thing right now that could change the way we think of the spiritual. Nothing else can even come close to doing this on a massive level, on the scale needed to change peoples minds. But doing so will require a mind shift in how we perceive drugs. At the end of the day not all drugs are created equally. Hard drugs are bad and have a high chance of addiction. Classic psychedelics are fine. Dissociative psychedelics have addiction potential. Research chemicals are in a grey area which I wouldn't touch. At the end of the day though psychedelics will become mainstream with or without the spiritual community. But how long before psychedelics are accepted as a fast, radical, quick way to catalyze spiritual growth is up to you.
72  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: September 27, 2016, 17:21:37
Now that we got some decent replies here I will revel what he did to get to this state. Leo took 5-MEO-DMT. It's a naturally occurring molecule that our bodies make in small amounts. He talks about this substance in his next video. You can find it on his channel. I don't want to post it here as it might be against the rules. But yeah I'm sure you's weren't expecting that.  grin
73  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: September 27, 2016, 17:17:32
If there is no cognition of anything as you are implying then there is no way of retelling your experience. I know this is kinda tricky - but how can you be in a place where there is no self-awareness of any kind and then tell about it. It makes no sense.
It's called the unmanifest in Hinduism and Wu-chi in Taoism. It's the core of all reality. In this place there is no subject, no object, no experience. And the only way people can come back with this experience is through KNOWING.
74  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: September 27, 2016, 03:57:44
I listened to his whole video and what I saw was that he reached "Point Consciousness", where there is "no body" at all. All that exists is you as a point of consciousness. At that point there is no beginning, no end, there just "is". It is mind blowing when you first achieve it.

 This can be reached by anyone that learns to Astral Project. The first sign you are reaching this point is when you hit the 3D darkness void, where you just "are". There is no ego, there is just pure space, but instead of seeing it with your closed eyes, you are now totally consumed by and in it. This is a very exciting and can be also a very scary time for most people. I love just immersing myself deep inside it. It's a place where you can just "be", without all the trials and tribulations of this physical realm. It's also a great pace to rid yourself of pain or anguish!   smiley
First of all thanks a lot for fully watching the video. For some reason I don't think the space your talking about is the space that he Leo is talking about. Because in the space Leo is talking about you can't even fathom. There is absolutely no thought or cognition of any kind where he was at. There is also no subject and no object. Unless Leo went to the core place of what your talking about. Thoughts?
75  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: September 27, 2016, 03:12:49
My apoligizes about my message. I won't continue.
No need to be sorry dude. I wasn't angry at you or anything like that. It's common for me to just really express my opinions with not even a sliver of anger. That's just my personality.  grin  Don't worry, we're cool.  cool
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