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51  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Anybody first learned to do spontaneous OBE's before conscious OBE's? on: March 07, 2015, 05:23:57
Anyone else want to chime in?

On a side note I found something that was really encouraging. For those that don't know IAC world is probably the biggest organization that studies and teaches OBE's worldwide. So it's comforting to hear this from them.

uk.iacworld.org/astral-projection-questions-and-answers/

In your experience as an instructor teaching these topics to people of many different nationalities, can you explain to me how to have a successful out of body experience? Can you describe a simple technique?There is no guarantee of success. IAC studies over 40 techniques and depending on our own personal preference we might choose one over the other. What I can say with certainty is that if you learn some techniques and persist for a while in applying them you will come out!
52  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / I'm trying to recreate an OBE with a few supplements. on: March 07, 2015, 04:47:03
So I noticed that I was taking a one of 3 supplements when I had two OBE's some years ago. So I am trying to take the supplements again in order to try to recreate the conditions that allowed me to astral project before. I was taking Coenzymated B 1 2 and 3. So I am taking them again in order to see if I can increase my chances of having an OBE with them.

Coenzymated vitamins are vitamins in their active form. You see when you get vitamins from cereal your body still has to convert those types of vitamins into a form your body can use. So it's some powerful stuff. In fact there was a pharmaceutical company that was trying to become the sole seller of coenzymated B6. As far as I know they failed since I can still buy it from my supplement store.
53  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Anybody first learned to do spontaneous OBE's before conscious OBE's? on: March 07, 2015, 04:28:42
First off my definition here of spontaneous OBE here means that one practiced to learn to OBE during the day and then eventually they ended up projecting at night while fully sleep only to wake up in an OBE. Meaning I am not talking about people that didn't practice in this instance. As I feel that if someone is a natural then they shouldn't count.

So at this point I am struggling with the idea that I can consciously astral project. So I just want to know how effective are spontaneous OBE's while learning to project during the day. IDK I feel somewhat inadequate for doing conscious OBE's, like I can't go deep enough to astral project consciously somehow. I will keep practicing regardless though.
 
So is there anyone here that got their first spontaneous OBE through practicing some techniques while awake?

I would be glad to get a spontaneous OBE or conscious OBE at this point.

I guess I just wonder how effective it is to try to train the subconscious mind to initiate an OBE at night while sleeping.
54  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Will power with mental tension while trying to astral project? on: March 07, 2015, 04:14:14
Read these... in this order:

http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2014/05/17/see-visualizations/
http://www.unlimitedboundaries.ca/2010/12/08/what-is-visualization-and-how-do-i-do-it/
http://www.astraldynamics.com.au/content.php?205-Part-2-NO-Visualization

The second one leads into the third really.

But suffice to say, what you're talking about above IS NOT "visualization".  If you can *SEE* what you're trying to visualize, you're not visualizing.  Contrary to the word "visualization", there's nothing visual about it.  This is why it's misunderstood and why so many people think they can't do it.  Robert Bruce explains it beautifully in the astral dynamics link above.

Give them a read and then realize you're better at visualization than you know.  Smiley
Well that explains a lot. I noticed that sometimes I was able to do visualizations in complete darkness with no visuals at all, yet I was able to perceive what I was trying to visualize. In fact I noticed that it was even better that way almost. That some time ago, but. So I think I could definitely improve my visualization ability regardless, but it's nice to know that I am on the right path.  smiley
55  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Will power with mental tension while trying to astral project? on: March 07, 2015, 01:32:45
Then that's our next question... what is Visualization to you?  What does it mean to you to "visualize"?

In my first post, I asked you to think about a purple elephant.  You did that.  That tells me you can visualize just fine.  Smiley
Well I can visualize though I'm not good at it. I get distracted, the image isn't very stable, it moves is odd ways, does weird things here and there. Most of all it's rarely vivid. Though sometimes I can visualize good, but most of the time I can't.
56  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Will power with mental tension while trying to astral project? on: March 07, 2015, 00:55:39
I'm not the best visualizer though. Whenever I visualize I find myself punching walls to help keep me with the visualization. LOL  cheesy grin
57  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Value of conscious projection vs other on: March 07, 2015, 00:47:04
I know some authors, such as William Buhlman, seem to be of the opinion that it's of greater importance to be able to project from a conscious state.
Do you put more stock in being able to project from a conscious state over become aware while already dreaming?  
Do you respect a person's experience when they say they initiated it from a completely wake state vs someone who initiated it from a dream?

What is everyone's thoughts on that?
I feel like one can increase their chances of getting to astral project if they consciously try to astral project. I can practice multiple times a day trying to consciously astral project that way.

I know what your trying to get at Xanth. You think that as long as Soki is having astral projections even though their not of high quality awareness who cares, as long as they are having non-physical experiences that is almost just as good as having a high quality awareness projection at soki's stage.

In the end I guess you could say that Soki is already having conscious astral projections.

I don't think my words should have been picked apart like that, as what I said was just meant to be a general encouragement to get a higher quality AP that I am sure Soki is really looking for. Not that I am trying to down play his current progress.
58  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Will power with mental tension while trying to astral project? on: March 07, 2015, 00:29:32
Do me a favour...

Think about a purple elephant.

Did you feel any tension there?
Well no.
59  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Will power with mental tension while trying to astral project? on: March 07, 2015, 00:05:00
So I have found that I really like to feel my way around in whatever technique I do with a little bit of visualization here and there. So one of the main things I like doing is feeling like I am about to fall or float out of my body. But this almost inevitable brings some brain/mental tension. So my obvious question is would that brain or mental tension be preventing me from getting out of my body? It's almost impossible for me to no use some will power without gaining mental or brain tension.

Any thoughts guys?
60  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Getting a little more control- 4 AP's in a session, phased to desired location on: March 06, 2015, 22:52:03
Alright, glad to see your making progress. At this rate you should be having conscious astral projections in no time.

As for me I find that I like feeling my way around when trying to project instead of visualizing.

Keep up the good work.
61  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Working with evil spirits and witchcraft question? on: March 06, 2015, 22:42:06
I know the story is hard to believe. I had an experience when I was a kid with some kind of demonic presence.

I fell sleep on the couch as a kid. I woke up in the middle of the night. I felt there was an evil presence in the room. I went to turn off the light, but this evil presence got very strong. I sensed it. I was sacred to death to turn off the light. I eventually got up the courage and turned it off. Nothing happened. I want to go lay down on the cough. I felt a bump on my back that felt round, like a orb. I was really scared now. I couldn't even get up and move, I was so scared. Then bump bump on my back again. That was it. I went running to my mom's and dad's room scared to death. They calmed me down. I my mom and I went to the room I was trying to sleep. A few hours later I eventually went to sleep.

My brother one time as a kid felt a knock on his head. He went to go look and saw an orb that looked like a demon. It was purplish looking.

Those were demonic things that happened. Though there have been other things that happened in my life that was more paranormal. Such as hearing foot steps in the kitchen when nobody was there.

Another time me and my two brothers all saw an appreciation enter our house and walk in the dark to go up and then down the stairs a few minutes later.

Then there were other experiences too that happened that can't be explained away very easily.

So I've experienced the paranormal first hand. And IMO even some sort of demonic presence. Perhaps a neg IDK.
62  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Edgar cayce master of astral projection on: March 06, 2015, 21:33:48
Edgar Cayce was quite an astral projector. I remember reading some of his stuff as a christian. And there was one thing that he said that made me think he was lying. I don't remember what it was, but it was probably something about reincarnation perhaps. Luckily I moved past that, but it took me a long time.
63  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: I met The KING on: March 06, 2015, 06:47:09
What are we suppose to do with that piece of information? It has little to no context.
64  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Working with evil spirits and witchcraft question? on: March 06, 2015, 06:43:23
Perhaps you could provide a synopsis of what exactly he "found"?  I don't have time right now to listen/watch a 40 minute video.  Smiley
Well the gist is that this guy was born into a voodoo family in New York that had roots in Haiti. His grandma did voodoo witchcraft but instead of really helping customers she would put bad curses on them in order to make them dependent and coming back more and more so that she would get paid more. He would see spirits some demons here and there. One day a demon asked him to come into the closet and he did. Then the demon brought him into the astral above the whole world and asked him to give his soul to him in exchange for money, power, sex and worldly things. But there was this little voice in the back of his head that said "don't do it". And so he said no. The demon kept showing him the power that he could have. But he said no. Then BAM he was back in the closet.

One time his grandma was getting into a big argument with this guy on the street. And was watching this all happen from far away. She held up her hand a certain way and said some words among the words "I curse you". And he fell dead right there is the street. Then he wanted that power so he said those words. Then a whorl wind came up in front of him and into his chest.

Then one day some of his friends gave their life to Jesus. And he didn't like that at all. So he sent out a demon to make their lives miserable until they stopped serving Jesus. The demon came back a few days later and said he couldn't do it. Then he sent out an even bigger demon out to stop his friends from believing in Jesus, but it too came back a few days later and said that he couldn't do it. So then the guy decided to astral project that night and when he went to his friends house he could see an angel there with a flaming sword. A so he left and from then on he knew that there was a higher power out there other than these demons.

He eventually gave his life to Jesus.

There were of course other things said. And I really wish that you would actually watch the video, but.

Thoughts?
65  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Working with evil spirits and witchcraft question? on: March 06, 2015, 02:51:57
BTW I don't believe that astral projection is demonic now or anything like that. I suppose it could be used for evil. In any case I think this guys experience was exceptional.
66  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Working with evil spirits and witchcraft question? on: March 06, 2015, 02:48:54
Hey guys I came across this video and am extremely interested what your take on this is.

After Mastering Witchcraft, Astral Projection and Voodoo, Guess what this guy found out.
http://youtu.be/CykNAYQ8hXY

BTW I have heard similar stories from others but nothing quite like his experience.

Thanks.
67  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Help Needed! on: March 05, 2015, 23:54:42
Then there are these too.

http://www.book-of-light.com/sites/default/files/66AstralProjection.pdf

http://obe4u.com/files/SOBT.pdf
68  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: 100 OBE techniques, where is this Xanth? on: March 05, 2015, 23:52:49
Thanks for the link Volgerle, and thanks to the rest of you guys. I know that I have seen videos by Vieira, Waldo, M.D. he's a very experienced projector. I might get that book from the library.
69  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / 100 OBE techniques, where is this Xanth? on: March 05, 2015, 19:06:31
Hi Xanth I read that you wrote out something about 100 astral projection techniques. I was wondering where that is at. I posted this here for myself and anyone else that want it. Thanks.
70  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Physical Change on: March 05, 2015, 17:08:12
oh yea. More than healing is possible. My daughter did this. When she was small she loved phantom of the opera.  This was to the point to where one morning she woke up and the texture of her hair was curly just like the lead actress in the movie It also changed color to match as well.. She was born with very straight hair. I've never seen. This happened overnight and she had long hair. It didn't grow into the color or texture it changed all at once.
Never heard of such a thing. It pushes my limits on what I think is possible. I'm skeptical but I try to leave room for an open mind.
71  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Fluttering eyes and the third eye question? on: March 05, 2015, 17:04:54
Thanks for chiming in guys. The other day I found that if I breathed really deeply that I was able to really open my energetic body. I feel like if I just keep practicing I should be able to eventually get it. Thanks.
72  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Fluttering eyes and the third eye question? on: March 05, 2015, 04:20:55
Thanks Xanth. But what about doing the third eye concentration technique? Should I continue with it?
73  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Is it ever ethical for one to commit suicide? on: March 05, 2015, 04:16:14

Yes and no. The most important step of all, that it is possible to do it, has already been clearly demonstrated. These technologies tend to go on exponential growth curves corrollated to computing power.

Here is a famous excerpt that details how something on an exponential curve can more or less go undetected for the majority of its life, and grow mostrously in its final moments:

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"Itís 1pm. Imagine a normal sized football stadium. In this stadium you are sitting on the seat at the very top of the stadium, with the best overview of the whole stadium.

To make things more interesting, imagine the stadium is completely water-tight.

The question is, if a drop of water is added to the stadium and then one minute later it doubles in size to two drops, and then one minute after that it doubles again to 4 drops, and so on.. doubling in size every minute, how much time do you have to leave your seat and get out of the stadium before the water reaches your seat at the very top?

Think about it for a moment. Is it hours, days, weeks, months?

 
The first drop of water lands right in the middle of the field, at 1pm.

You have exactly until 1:49pm. It takes less than 50 minutes to fill a whole football stadium with water! This is impressive!

But it gets better:
At what time do you think the football stadium is still 93% empty? Take a guess.

The answer: At 1:45pm. So, you sit and watch the drop growing, and after 45 minutes all you see is the playing field covered with water. And then, within four more minutes, the water fills the whole stadium.

This means that you think you are safe because it seems that you have plenty of time left, whereas due to the exponential growth you really have to take immediate action if you want to have any chance of getting out of this situation.
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Now we know this is the sort of path that biotech has taken in the past as well. The human genome project is a perfect example.

A decade long effort, and it looked like it would take 500 years. Then 85% percent of it gets done in a single year. Now it is trivial to do it again, and would probably take under a day.



By the time things like this are surfacing in the public eye, they are often very late in their exponential growth curve. Perhaps like the genome project, they can seem like insurmountable goals, that suddenly become trivial in the space of a year.
I like that metaphor using a football stadium and water. Well see, I know exponential growth can happen much faster in some fields while in others it staggers.
74  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Physical Change on: March 05, 2015, 03:50:20
I am guessing you will find people that will say that yes healing is possible. But I have my doubts of the effectiveness of such things. IMO if you want to do any of these things were better off just taking natural measures in the physical. Chances are if one can't heal an ailment from the physical then they probably can't heal it from the non-physical IMO. Though I don't have first hand experience with this. Anyone with some experience want to chime in?
75  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Fluttering eyes and the third eye question? on: March 05, 2015, 03:44:11
So after reading Frank Kepple talk about the third eye so much. I have been trying to get consciousness away from my physical eyes while focusing on the third eye. I usually end up having my eyes start to flutter strongly and rapidly. While even feeling some pressure on my head chakras to varying degrees. And I see vivid images or mini clips here and there. I also tend to get vibrations too with it often. I guess my only concern is that perhaps I am putting too much effort into it. Then again I tend to stop and do other things which seem to have an enhancing effect from the previous third eye exercise. I mainly wonder since I hear new age type people talk about being very very gentle with the chakras. Meaning I don't want to inadvertently hinder myself.

Is this normal? Should I stop doing it and focus more on noticing?

For today I reached this point where I felt really open mentally and energetic wise. But still no AP yet.

Thoughts please?

Thanks.
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