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51  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: General types of astral projection techniques? on: October 08, 2016, 17:47:10
Plasma in the time you have spent on this post you could of been half way through a Monroe , or Buhlman book.
I'm not a fast reader, but thanks for the encouragement.
52  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: General types of astral projection techniques? on: October 08, 2016, 09:52:29
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!  ON A PIKE WITH IT!!
Kind of hard to take that seriously from a kitty that wants to be a frog. Hahaha
53  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: General types of astral projection techniques? on: October 08, 2016, 05:03:47
You can be beheaded for insulting your Queen. LOL. (too much Game of Thrones watching  grin)
Nerd! LOL
54  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: General types of astral projection techniques? on: October 08, 2016, 04:41:56
Plazma, you can address me as "Your Grace" LOL
I agree with Professor X, that all techniques are some sort of focus to direct your consciousness away from this reality. Here a a few popular methods; visualization, motion, phasing, affirmations. I suggest you read William Buhlman's books, pick one technique and practice for at least 4 weeks consistently. You may not see results immediately, it takes time for your awareness to adjust.
Yeah last thing I was practicing was feeling like I was falling out of my body. And I noticed that I had two dreams of falling out of my body, one of them was falling backward. I never actually actually astral projected from those though, but I knew I hit something deep inside of me that I never hit before because I had those dreams. And it was because of AP practice that I had those dreams, because it's not natural to fall out of your body, especially backward. LOL So I will continue motion AP techniques for now. But yeah thanks for that. I guess if we were to categorize AP techniques it would be in one of those categories. As far a William Buhlman. I like listening to him. Perhaps I should read his book again. I've already got 2 books that friends want me to read. OK I'll see what I can do. I had a few beers so I don't have anything else to add. LOL BTW it's been months since I had some beer.

Other than that thanks a lot grease, oh grace, sorry for that slip up. Hahaha Pun intended.
55  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: General types of astral projection techniques? on: October 08, 2016, 03:34:50
So where are these mysterious astral projectors that have a differing opinion on this? Don't worry I won't joke around anymore here, unless you throw the first punch.  evil  grin LOL
56  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: General types of astral projection techniques? on: October 08, 2016, 02:06:29
LOL, I'm pretty sure that was a joke Plasma. And I agree with Xanth, oh sorry, X, wait no, make that L&M. grin
LOL Thank God we have a sober astral projector here. Hahaha Another inside joke.
57  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: General types of astral projection techniques? on: October 08, 2016, 01:07:21
"Meditation" is kind of a catch-all, umbrella phrase really.  Projecting isn't similar to meditation... it *IS* meditation.
Meditation defines the action... but you need to have a "goal" for what you want to accomplish WHILE you're meditating. 
Or, you can actually have no goal and just go with the flow and allow whatever happens to happen.

But meditation itself isn't a "thing" in and of itself.

To consciously project, one meditates towards the specific goal of "projecting".

I think I can agree with that assessment.

You... no.  "Lord and Master" will do just fine.  Thanks.  Wink
Damn I'm scratching my head right now, I don't know if you got a massive ego, or that was a joke.  cheesy
58  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: General types of astral projection techniques? on: October 08, 2016, 00:03:56
There are a myriad of techniques and methods out there to project with.

Although, when you break them all down, they're all the same.
The only thing which differentiates them is what the technique makes you "focus" on.

The FOCUS of the technique is all that makes them different.  They all make you focus on something to the exclusion of everything else.

That's it.  So, as you can see, there really is only one technique... you just need to find the "focus" which works best for you in order to succeed.
Oh yeah now it's coming back to me. I'm a bit rusty.

I'll assume that everyone else agrees with that. If not please post and let me know.

Other than that is sounds very similar to meditation. Which they say meditation is the art of concentrating on everything and nothing at the same time. Sounds very similar to what your saying.

OK well thanks for that Xanth. Do you mind if I call you X for short? LOL  cheesy Just kidding.
59  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: General types of astral projection techniques? on: October 07, 2016, 19:13:21
I have yet to have a conscious o.b.e. my self .I will give you some info , but if you do some basic searching you can find a lot of info . This forum has all or most of the a.p. methods if you look .  There are methods where you have a obe from a lucid dream most of the rest involve meditation , deep relaxitoin then some form of visualition .     This forum has a free pdf book for down load as does obe 4 you .  There are lots of a.p./obe    books for sale on amazon and in new age/med phy.  book stores .  There are lots of a.p./o.b.e. videos on you tube . 
http://obe4u.com
one of many many a.p./o.b.e. forums . I will post my fav. search site . S.F. has a a.p. sec.
http://www.astralvoid.com
http://www.dogpile.com
http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/   
I've read of many different astral projection techniques. And I am sure I can read about many more astral projection techniques. But that isn't what I am looking for right now. My question isn't easily found from what I can see. I even google searched again. My particular question is what types of astral projection techniques are there? Meaning what are the broad categories for the different kinds of common astral projection techniques?

For instance one could divide up astral projection techniques into conscious and un-conscious projection. But this is too broad IMO. So is there another way these common astral projection techniques could be divided up?

The first step in really understanding something is defining it. And for me I find I learn best if I get the over all picture. Thus the question.

Thanks for your reply deserted rat. LOL I mean desert rat.
60  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / General types of astral projection techniques? on: October 07, 2016, 16:58:29
Since getting into astral projection recently again thanks to Szaxx, I've been wondering. What are the main over arching types of astral projection techniques out there? Like what types of techniques are there generally speaking? IDK how you would break them down, but there has to be an underlying theme that each astral projection technique has. Or a link to this subject would be fine too. I did a quick google search and couldn't find anything. Thanks.

EDIT: I think there has been some confusion so let me make my question clear. I am asking what are the broad categories for the different kinds of common astral projection techniques?
61  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 06, 2016, 07:26:15
This is what the drug does:

From Wikipdia:
5-MeO-DMT (5-methoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine) is a psychedelic of the tryptamine class.

From Thefreedictiony.com:
Psychedelic:
1. Of, characterized by, or generating hallucinations, distortions of perception, altered states of awareness, and occasionally states resembling psychosis.
2. Suggestive or evocative of an altered or hallucinatory state of perception: psychedelic patterns; psychedelic music.
n.A drug, such as LSD or mescaline, that produces psychedelic effects.

Once you wreck your brain you cannot fix it.
Now go and check if Wikipedia and Thefreedictiony.com gives you an accurate definition for astral projection. I'm done on this thread.
62  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Something I just need to express on: October 06, 2016, 06:16:44
Plasma, Your debate with Xanth reminds me of this popular movie. Guess what part you are playing?
 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3Lx4o9mtY4
Pfff I feel insulted. Or perhaps I should feel sorry that you still don't get what I am saying.

Plasma, you should read what Xanth said, then read it again and again. There is a important message to be found in there. His post speaks for many here that have attempted to enlighten you in the past and are still "feverishly" trying to today.
I don't want to get into this unless your willing to really work with me and define exactly what we're talking about. And I don't think your willing to do that.

You have stated in the past that you don't actively practice for a number of different reasons. Yet you make a thread such as this based on something that you yourself say you have no interest in doing, with the reason being you lack the time now because of "School".
If you fully read my last post you would see that Szaxx got me into astral projecting again. He has been there for me more than anyone else. So I feel I owe it to him to keep trying. So yeah I am practicing again. But I don't think I have to. I want to enjoy myself doing it.

All the time you spend here is ample time that you could be attempting. that's if you really wanted and had the desire to. You need to overcome whatever fear that is harbored in you that prevents you from actively engaging in this practice. Only then will you be able to answer the number of questions that you have asked here through the years. "Seeing" and experiencing it for yourself will enlighten you and will also aid you in other areas of your life. So, now it's up to you.
Thanks for the encouragement, I'll keep fighting the good fight.
63  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Something I just need to express on: October 06, 2016, 03:53:46
You just made my point EXACTLY... you do not understand the difference.  Your reply explains why you do not... in fact, ALL of your replies on this forum scream out why you don't get it.  
I could try to force the point on you by repeatedly explaining why, but you'll never get it UNTIL you figure it out for yourself.  I can only nudge you in that direction and you can only accept the nudge if you want it.

Well my definition of "your truth" or "my truth," these are just beliefs basically. Personal beliefs that guide our life. As far as "the truth." The truth is a bit harder to define. But "the truth" is universal and is always true no matter what age or place we're at. And a good way to gauge that is thinking what would a perfect world accept and not accept. This is a good gauge as to what is likely "the truth." So you don't want me to talk about what I think is a universal right and privilege. But we don't know if it's a universal truth yet. So that's understandable. But like I said I will be vindicated when studies comes out in the coming decades.

If you and me disagree on this it's not because I am a horse that can't go to the water and drink. LOL It's because we need to define what exactly we are talking about. So what is your definition of "the truth"?

Why do you think I hardly ever continue discussions with you beyond a certain point?  
Because it's both a waste of YOUR time reading what I have to say and a waste of MY time typing it.
And if I do respond to something you have to say after that point, it's not usually in your interest... it's in the interest of other people who are more open and receptive to what's being said.
[/quote]Well my definition of "your truth" or "my truth," these are just beliefs basically. Personal beliefs that guide our life.
64  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Something I just need to express on: October 06, 2016, 03:33:13
When Science starts to look at answers that come from "subjective" research (which they don't do) as in Paranormal studies, then and only then can Science begin to merge into the "spiritual" realm. Until that time, no progress ever will be made with this.
This is how it's likely going to go. We will get full immersion virtual reality because of all the gamers. Then all the lucid dreams will be like "hey you can modify this technology to have lucid dreams on demand." Then the astral projection enthusiast will be like "hey that's not far off from astral projection, let's modify it to help us learn to astral project whenever we want." See how the evolution of technology works. It's very unlikely companies would ever put money into making a device to see the spiritual word with a camera. It's really our evolving demand in the market that will determine how we reach and eventually merge spirituality with technology and science. This is my prediction anyway.
65  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Something I just need to express on: October 06, 2016, 03:14:08
Plasma, there's that phrase again "Spiritual Technology". A "Bing" search on that brings me to "The Church of Spiritual Technology",  also known as "Scientology" and you don't want to get me started on that. I know and have worked for "Scientologists" in the past and no, just no.
 http://www.bing.com/search?q=spiritual%20technology&FORM=BB07LB&PC=BB07&QS=n
LOL I don't consider Scientology to have real spiritual tools. I've heard of the things they promote. And it seems much more like a marketing scheme than spiritual.

If people need a "Nanobot" or some other techno device to "force" them in being "spiritual", using your term Plasma, then they don't know the real meaning of the word period. It comes from within, not from a device. It comes from personally experiencing life in general and deciding what is and what isn't, not something that is triggered by a "stimulant" to the brain.
  smiley Like I said science and technology will prove I am right in it's own timing, and this will happen in my lifetime probably. So just next time you see articles in the coming months, years, and decades about the things I've talked about remember what I said.

The movie "Wally" is coming back to my mind quite a bit lately with all of the talk I hear everywhere on Transhumanism. Google/Microsoft and other companies in the Silicone Valley are working feverishly on making this a reality. Hmm, I wonder why. could it be "$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$"?
Yeah sure they are doing it for money. But as long as they make it work then I don't care. The price should go down once these technologies are streamlined.
66  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Something I just need to express on: October 06, 2016, 01:57:31
Plasma! I just wanted to point out simply, what causes acne. Smiley thats all. It is a manifestation on the body (face).
I think that is obvious. Am I missing anything?
67  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Something I just need to express on: October 06, 2016, 01:50:40
You've heard the phrase, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink," right?
You can't FORCE your truth onto others.  We guide people to the water... it's up to them to drink.  Well, it's even up to them to be guided to the water in the first place.  Some people don't want the water, they want a different water entirely.  It's NOT your job to pull someone kicking and screaming to your water.  You'd do well to remember that.
But did I really force anything? We're all in the comfort of our own home. We're just talking, no swear words we're used, I didn't even get into specifics. IDK Xanth. But I get the general idea right. You don't want to hear what I believe is the truth. Like I said if what I have talked about is true there is nothing anyone here can do to change it. If it's the truth, nobody can stop it. The million dollar question is "is it my truth or is it the truth?" To which there is no consensus yet. But considering I know in depth about almost all spiritual technologies, even a kid will tell you I would be more apt to know the truth of this matter.  grin

Also, you're confusing YOUR truth for THE truth.  You do realize that those are two completely different things, right? 
We all have our own truths... although, I highly doubt there's a single individual living on this planet today who has THE truth.
I already covered that. I know the difference.

To bring this back to the original post...
I've been a part of many different forums and they've all had their own place in my self-discovery, through the good and the bad times.
The Astral Pulse has been significantly more important to me than the others though.  I love this place.  Smiley
And what is that exactly? LOL I can agree with that though, personally being on this forum has benefited me probably more than any other forum, because I was tormented by thoughts of hell, I didn't think I deserved anything more at certain times in my life. It's only through understanding the NP that I lost my fear of hell. And Szaxx was the main one that helped in that regard. Thanks man I still appreciate it, if your reading this.
68  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Something I just need to express on: October 06, 2016, 01:12:48
Dear Plasma! Cheesy Let me ask you, do you have an issue about other people watching you and think certain things about you and this issue bothers you? Like watching your face and you have a negative thinking about what others are thinking about you?
LOL No, I was raised a Christian with the belief that we should convert others from ignorance to truth. Now I am no longer a Christian really but I do have a strong belief in helping others see the truth, even if the truth is not politically correct, or if they are resistant to it. You see I honestly believe everything I said in that other thread. I honestly really believe that the things I talked about can be used as a powerful catalyst for spiritual growth. But besides the topic in the other thread. I've done this on other forums too. I have a very strong conviction sometimes that it's my duty to help others see the truth no matter how close minded they are right now, and no matter how un-politically correct I sound.

Things change and you will be surprised at how fast things can change. Just look at marijuana legalization, or gay rights, and right to die. These are all gaining traction, and nobody would have predicted their growth 50 years ago. It was inconceivable back then. That isn't even talking about the amount of racism we've overcome with the first black president being elected. So things change, because the truth trumps everything. No pun intended. LOL

Sometimes I feel like no matter how much I try it won't matter anyway and the only real mover of peoples opinions when it comes to things like this is science and technology. Science and technology has the ability to show the truth in the end no matter what. I am talking about really good science and technology. Science and technology will be the main movers of opinion in the years to come. And there is nothing anyone can do about that. Social change is as inevitable as the earth revolving around the sun. Perhaps all my talking has little to no impact overall. But I will keep trying to bridge the gap between these spiritual technologies, because I still have that conviction that one day all the spiritual technologies can live in harmony, and the light of truth will shine in the darkest areas. Damn I sound like a christian again. Hahaha

I am a very strong believer in the first amendment too.
69  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Something I just need to express on: October 05, 2016, 19:41:39
Thanks for sharing that Nameless. Your always welcome here, but if you take drugs we'll disown you. LOL  grin  No I'm kidding, or am I? Inside joke for those that don't get it. Anyway thanks for sharing that, we all need a place to talk about our thoughts about the spiritual, and our experiences. I consider the pulse here to be my main home for spiritual talk.

As far as being depressed. Well I can certainly relate. I was recently put on a medication for acne and I got really depressed. I thought it would go away, but it didn't. I thought it would go away because I've been on accutane before and was depressed and I was able to get over it. But it only got worse while on minocyline. After I woke up 2 days in a role at 3:30 in the morning I decided enough is enough and I got off of it. And it's taken me months to get back to normal. We all go through our own struggles in different but similar ways. Keep up your good work on your spiritual journey.
70  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 05, 2016, 06:50:48
Perhaps it was your comment on "Nanobots being used for spiritual advancement and Astral Projection" that got you that warning Plasma, lol!  grin
cheesy  rolleyes
71  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 05, 2016, 06:30:57
On another note Leo just said something I never thought I would hear him say since he's been such a naturalist, he quoted Thomas Campbell in his new video here. I forget exactly where it's at but it's in the first half of the video I know.

Low Quality vs High Quality Consciousness
https://youtu.be/Hg8JDHlkIrM

If Leo is listening to Thomas Campbell I know he's definitely changed his train of thought about reality to a pretty high degree, and IMO his psychedelic use catalyzed that. And little other things he's said makes me think this too. This is theoretical of course.
72  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 05, 2016, 06:28:51
Plasma, please keep the drug talk out of here.

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_chat/aup_addendum_must_read-t44680.0.html

This goes to everyone else as well please.
I don't think I broke the rules as the link you posted says.

"There are no taboo topics here and mental conditions and drug use are a part of our reality and can be appropriate for discussion but only for academic purposes, meaning they are only up for discussion as to what role they play in our theoretical understanding of the larger reality. Questions in regards to how much of a supplement or drug should be ingested (even legal ones) are not our area of expertise so please refrain from asking and use common sense before posting similar questions."

You can't get into a "theoretical understanding" without getting into personal opinion. Which is what I did. I never directly promoted any molecule that our body doesn't already make anyway. So in that sense 5-MEO-DMT isn't a drug. Because if 5-MEO-DMT is a drug then our body is full of drugs. Which doesn't make sense. But beyond any psychedelic talk all I really wanted out of this thread was to get people to see a very interesting story about a very powerful "larger reality" experience psychedelic or not.

OK I've got a theoretical question for you Xanth. If 5-MEO-DMT was eventually legalized for medical use and scientifically proven to give permanent enlightenment in 90 percent of people that consistently take it, and 100 percent proven to give a spiritual experience, then would you consider taking it in a medical setting?
73  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 01, 2016, 19:24:24
I just dont trust any exp. while using drugs . I tried weed once 25+ years ago . I know how it change your percpt. of reality .
Well not all tools are created equally. And I admit that since we don't have really good science on these psychedelics it's really hard to say with absolute confidence anything about them unless we take them ourselves over a period of time or we study what others have to say. Which isn't for the vast majority of people. So your view is understandable. At the same time it also means that you really don't know much of anything about this type of spiritual tool called psychedelics. And BTW marijuana isn't a real psychedelic. So it's like comparing apples and oranges, not a good idea.

Let me ask you Desert Rat if a certain type of nanobot were scientifically proven to give people spiritual enlightenment within one year would you use the nanobots to catalyze your spiritual growth?
74  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 01, 2016, 06:50:54
You will become additive to the drug.   Not because the drug itself is addictive as you say.   You will become dependent on taking the drug if ap works.   If ap works you will want to take the drug again and again.   You have obviously made up your mind that you will take the drug and we cannot persuade you not to do it.   It is your choice, your life.   
Contrary to what you might think I've never taken DMT, 5-MEO-DMT, LSD, and many other psychedelics. I can't even count the amount of psychedelics I've taken in my whole life on one hand. And I've never astral projected on any of them. I won't go into the benefits I got from them least a moderator locks this thread. But I will say that I've benefited from them. And I've never taken a strong dose. And I've never gotten addicted from any psychedelic. Like I said psychedelics aren't addictive except for the dissociative psychedelics which have some addiction potential. Personally I wouldn't recommend any of those for spiritual use.

Lastly try telling the shamans in Peru and the Amazon that the people they treat with ayahuasca and peyote, tell them that they are going to make a bunch of drug addicts. Grow up.

Thanks for chiming in these discussions need to be had.
75  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Meet the guy that became infinite in 15 minutes, and lives to tell about it. on: October 01, 2016, 06:30:50
I will watch to whole video.   I don't use drugs myself.  All I was doing was advising any one else to understand the effects of any substance before using it.
OK
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