Ultimately, it's about learning to change your deeply ingrained belief systems and making your mind mobile. You might say, "but I do believe I can become mobile", but the truth of the matter is you probably don't believe 100%. Belief does not just come the moment you decide you want to believe something. All true belief requires time to develop the correct "patterns" of thought. The first time you drove a car did you truly fully believe you could drive a car? You started out with some belief in your ability to do it, but you were still unsure. That unsureness caused tension and eratic movements in your control. Only until you truly become fully comfortable and able to relax and believe in your reflexes and abilities behind the wheel did you stop acting eratically (I hope ). Our very energy patterns are made up of and affected by our beliefs. I think Jesus statement that faith the size of a seed could move mountains was literal and not figurative (especially if he actually carried out the miracles that are attributed to him). Along with belief (with practice) you will over your life (and perhaps many lives) develop over time a dexterity and agility of mind. At the point this becomes very natural and easy for you, you will be able to do it while body awake.

Now, most people do not want to hear this answer. why? because it requires dedicated effort over time. Learn to accept where you are now. Accept who you are now. Be happy. Be content... and know that only with step by step day by day practice, hard work, and dedication will you achieve your greatest accomplishments. Most people want the easy way, the shortcut, quick results. There is no master alive today who took a shortcut. There are no shortcuts. Fantasizing about shortcuts and not dedicating yourself to a disciplined approach will only retard or stunt your growth. Ok, I've said enough and will shut up.

From your description the thing you are terrorized by is a neg that is attempting to attach itself to you (feed off your energy, stresses, and fears). The last encounter you did exactly the right thing. The reason the entity seemed less powerful is exactly because the entity IS less powerful, not just because you caught it off guard. A neg is very much like a bully in the physical world. Most bullies are not as strong mentally or physically as they try to make themselves seem (that's not to say there aren't some that are, but the majority are not). The same is true with Negs. Just like with a bully, generally the only power they have over you is what your fear allows them to have. The moment you confront them and let go of fear they will generally back down and look for an easier target to get what they need. I've encountered various strengths of negs. Most are going to be less powerful than you. Very rarely you might encounter one that is as strong or stronger, but the stronger ones are generally not interested in you because they don't NEED your energy. In any event, don't get too caught up in the images you "see". Your own mind may be projecting onto the entity... it's really not of much importance what it looks like. What's important is that you let go of fear and confront it with confidence. This one will go away if you do that.

Just experience . I don't expect anyone to believe me. I didn't believe a lot of the stuff I believe now until I experienced it. I just throw out understanding based on my experience to date... which is quite a bit more than some, and yet still less than others. It isn't the belief that is necessary, only the seed of an idea that might expand the mind around possibilities and open one to more experience.

The line is very thin. Your local consciousness has the ability to be creative and create scenarios that seem very real. This would be more like dreaming... something that doesn't really have a basis in this physical reality or even any other reality external to that of your local mind or consciousness. The dream scape however is a place of flux and information exchange between many minds as we are all really connected. So, there are layers or spectrums. The closer to the local consciousness your mind is focussed, the more "dream" you might call it. The more your consciousness slips outward toward other consciousnesses like that of your cousin, wife, friend, etc, the more OBE it is. However, technically I believe OBE is the act of producing a secondary body very close to the physical that is projected in what Bruce would call the real-time or near real-time zone. OBE's are not the only way for your consciousness to travel and interact with other consciousnesses. Everyone interacts with other consciousnesses on some basis of frequency or another in a state they think is dreaming.

My wife and I frequently meet in dreams and discuss issues on our minds that we haven't discussed in the physical body. For example, I will be thinking about an issue privately and mean to talk with her, but just not get around to doing it. Then, she will dream that I approached her and started talking to her about the issue, and the next morning she will tell me. It happens in reverse as well. I also frequently interact with people I am here to help guide in this way as well. Either they will remember me talking to them about an issue I had been thinking about and giving them counsel, or I will dream of them coming to me and telling me of a problem they are having and it will be confirmed the next day when I speak with them. I don't think clear lines can be drawn around the issue of dreaming and out of body or projections of consciousness. We are energy, and our energies communicate with all other energies. It's up to the experiencer to determine what is and isn't an externalized experience. For me, it's very easy to determine as normal localized dreams have a very definite spectrum of energy.

Some people mistakenly believe that the "mind" must be awake and the body asleep in order to astral project. This is not true. If the physical body is asleep, relaxed, or dormant, this will indeed make projecting relatively easier, but it is quite possible to project while your physical body is active and in fact engaged in activities. This is because the consciousness of the physical body is able to continue without the focus of some of the energy usually associated with it (the spirit). However, when that spirit leaves on an adventure, the physical consciousness becomes somewhat diminished in consciousness and intelligence. The more physical processes and desires take over. This is also why we do more physically or spiritually oriented activities. The more you work toward keeping your "mind", "body", and "spirit" connected and working in coherent unity, the less likely you are to follow base physical desires. Rather, you will be more likely to act on the combined desires of the physical body and higher consciousness. Your perception and your awareness resides in a more expanded and widened state of knowing, and so your decisions tend to reflect that. You can call this your "higher self". Gathering more spiritual energies to yourself and expanding your consciousness will increase your awareness and have a positive influence on your life decisions.

Perhaps that explanation is yet still too simple. Consciousness itself is not a separate thing. Everything has consciousness (all energy) to some extent of organization or other. The amount of consciousness there is proportional to the complexity of organization, the pattern and frequency of that organization, as well as it's level of coherence. When you have an out of body experience, there is literally a dividing of consciousness where in different senses come to the forefront of one of those consciousnesses. When that consciousness re-integrates with the original consciousness it came from (the human body consciousness), the memory of that experience is shared. But make no mistake, that portion of your consciousness that leaves the physical body is a somewhat different person/consciousness when when it leaves it's state of coherence with the physical body. You might think of it in a musical sense. The piano is not a violin and a violin is not a piano, but coming together they can produce one coherent song or melody. Although both instruments have their own aspects the song they produce together can also be seen to have it's own aspect which is a sum of the two. This sum of the two is like our physical body and the higher bodies of energy which are in coherence with it. However, just like a violin or piano, they are very capable of carrying their own solo tunes.

In order for any two differing types and frequencies of energy to interact (in this case the physical body vehicle is one and the consciousness is another), there must be a coming together or a transition point at which information or energetic interactions from one source transform to the other to share information. You can think of these in general as the transformation points known as the major chakras in the body. However, in reality, the entire physical body has tiny connection/transformation points all over it. My explanation is an over-simplification as in reality we are not speaking of only 2 disparate energies coming together to communicate, but rather many differing spectrums and types of energy interacting very dynamically in a multitude of ways with one another.

I've spent a lot of time investigating this aspect of my energy body. It is quite complex. However, the fundamental principle is very simple. Your consciousness is a certain type/spectrum/frequency of coherent energy that can adapt parts of itself (shift parts of it's own frequency) to match that of another dimension or vehicle (human body) in order to interact with it. The human body is not the only thing it can do this with. Once it adapts or focusses a part of itself on this new energy frequency and attaches, it will then beging to gather information in the form of energetic reactions/transformations from the thing it is in contact with. In our consciousness we call these senses. Your "perception" of not only vibrations but other strong energetic reactions is simply the transition/transformation point between not being in contact (or being less in contact) and being more in contact with those other energies and thus are produced these sensations. The strength of these will depend on how fast/abrupt that interaction or shift of focus happens. In the case of an OBE, the shift is happening from the first physical vehicle to another spectrum which is the second body. The shift from the physical to the second body tends to be the most abrubt causing large energetic sensations... especially if it occurs quickly in the case of a conscious projection as opposed to the more subtle and more gradual sleep dream process. Shifting from the second to the 3rd body is not as energetic in terms of senses and from the 3rd to the fourth even less.

Just like someone learning to ride a bike, juggle, or drive a car... over time you become more "smooth" at doing these transformations and they become second nature.

I'll attempt to keep this short.

As most of you have experienced, our consciousness, however you define it, is mobile. However, in order for it to express itself, and for it to experience any particular state of being, it must go through a series of energetic transformations. The more abrupt and different these transformations and energetic reactions are, the more we feel them. As an example think of what happens to transformations of energy in the form of heat in the air. These transformations can be subtle, or they can be very devastatingly powerful.

The vibrations are simply your consciousness transforming or tuning into another state. The more separated that state is from the current focus of your consciousness, the more abrupt or energetic those sensations will be. It is similar to what happens when you lay on your arm too long and it goes to sleep. The moment you get up, you start to suddenly regain sensation in your arm and you start feeling strong tingling. Once the consciousness has become refocused to that sensation the vibrations will stop.

Incedentally, if you are a regular practitioner of meditation, over time you will be able to transition more smoothly and vibrations will become less in intesity and duration. If you are able to expand your conscious focus over several spectrums of energy throughout the day constantly and consistently, the vibrations will dissappear all together when going obe.

I hope that provides some insight.

I have not posted here in a while. I've been having regular OBE's since the age of 13 and within the last 5 or so years I've learned how to induce them at will. Every year I get better and comprehend more deeply the reasons why certain techniques work. This is just a few points for you to consider. I will state them as facts (since they are to me), but you will have to test for yourself.

Nothing can be achieved without focus.
Greater focus means greater awareness or wakefullness.
Think of how much focus it takes to lift a 10lb weight. Now think of how much focus it takes to lift 200 or 300lbs.

One very important thing I have learned is that the physical body and 2nd body must be in balance and "flowing" to induce OBE's at will. Also, the mind MUST transfer it's focus from the physical body to the 2nd body. In order to do this effectively, the 2nd body MUST be stimulated. For example, if i wanted to shift my focus from my thoughts in my head to the feeling in my right toe I can do so (since i have much practice)... however it would be much easier if i took a hammer and hit my right toe. NOW most definitely the focus of my mind is in that toe since i have quite violently stimulated it. This is an extreme example to make the point. So, Roberts techniques at brushing and stimulated both primary and secondary chakras is quite effective since stimulation of those points causes your focus to shift, as well as helping to balance and open those energies.

However, it is obvious every person has their own unique MENTAL STRENGTH. Let's equate the act of purposely leaving your body to lifting a 300lb weight off the floor. You are a person standing in front of me and I say to you, you need to lift that 300lb weight. You walk over and try to lift it. You try as hard as you think you can and then give up and say, "this is impossible, this cannot be done by anyone". Several people come in and say they have lifted it but you still say it cannot be done. Now with regard to OBE we cannot show you how we did it so lets say the other weight lifters do not show you how they did it either. What is necessary for you to lift the 300lbs? You need to strengthen both your muscles and your mind. You do this by a disciplined and focussed training regimine. In time you realize that you can lift a lot more than you thought you could lift. Indeed you realize that you were being somewhat lazy before and really weren't taking yourself to your true limits. In time you find that you can in fact lift the 300lb weight off the floor.

This is somewhat how it is with OBE. In teaching many people how to do this, I have found that people are just not used to FOCUSSING their minds with much strength at all. Perhaps the most focus they have ever had in their life equates to 20lbs of weight.  Thus, lifting a 300lb weight for OBE seems impossible. They cannot even conceive of themselves focussing with more strength than they ever have before. To acheive OBE it requires regular mental weight lilfting. Indeed, my personal belief is that this world was in part created so that in order to escape it, we would need to increase our mental strength just as a baby needs to increase his leg strength to get up and walk.

That being said, when you attempt to stimulate your chakras via Roberts techniques or others, you MUST focus (but not become tense) with as much Focus as you possible can and maintain it while you do it.

Here is one of the ways I now acheive out of body.  I choose a location either in my body our outside it. It varies from day to day. Let's say I choose my left foot. I will begin to imagine and FEEL a field of round or oblongish energy forming AROUND my foot. I will not move it yet. Instead I will imagine my mental energies flowing to this energy ball making it stronger, more present, more powerful, and more real. Once I feel that as much of my mental energies as possible are focussed on the reality of this energy ball and sustaining it, I then begin to make the energy ball itself move around my foot and up and down my leg and stimulating my chakras. Results are very immediate for me since I've gotten very good at focus. Within 10 minutes (sometimes faster), I can get all of my energy body flowing and stimulated including the major chakras. Once that is done, all I have to do to have an OBE is to allow that energy ball of focus to disolve and let that mental energy flow into the ENTIRE 2nd body. What that means is that now my entire mental focus is INSIDE my 2nd body. I don't even feel vibrations any more... I just transition very smoothly. I believe the vibrations come from turbulences or imbalances in the energy body when the transition from physical body focus to energy body focus happens.  From there, it's up to you to actually get up and leave.

However, one of the biggest obstacles to people I believe is simply learning to focus and not being mentally lazy. Exercise your minds. Gain mental strength and focus and you will become more aware, more awake... and it will be easier to move that awareness around to different places in the body and outside of it.

Best Wishes,
Chris

This morning I had a very disturbing emotional dream that was so vivid and real¡¦ it litterally felt like I was in another world.  After I had woken up earlier I went to the bathroom, then went back to bed and closed my eyes to sleep a bit more.

I open my eyes on a sunny beach laying on a beach blanket.  I feel the warmth of the sun and the smell of the salt air and the sand under my blanket.  Next to me on the blanket is a pretty petite blond girl in a bikini.  I look at her, then look around and say, "Where am I?".  She looks at me worriedly and says, "California".  I get the sense from her that she is somewhat used to me having these spells of forgetfulness¡¦ like I do this on a frequent basis.  I say, "but why am I in California?  I live in Seattle.  Where is Angie?".  As I say this I'm starting to remember little details.  She says, "you moved here, you are in California now.".  I say, "but I work at the university."  she says, "haha you only worked there for a day before you won the lottery.".  I then have a memory come back to me.  I had moved here to California and gotten a job at the local University but just the next day I had won the local lottery and quit the job.  I ask again, "where¡¦ where is Angie?... Did¡¦ did I tell you about Angie?"¡¦ a dread is growing deep inside me as I say this.  The girl says, "yes, you've told me many times¡¦ she is dead." she says to me softly looking at me with what seems like genuine and deep empathy for my pain.  Then I go into an intense flashback (within the dream) of seeing Angie in a car reck and dying.  I begin sobbing and wailing so loud it's like my entire being is racked with pain and torture.  The dream fades and I'm in my bed¡¦ the bed in this world sobbing my heart out.

Was this a visit to another reality? i don't know... i certainly hope it wasn't this (my timeline) future.

Today I received data that possibly confirms the statements of many that all of us in actuality are OBE while dreaming... that the consciousness is actually traveling to other places while dreaming.  Now, I've believed this for a long time, but I've constantly been collecting data that seems to support this belief. Here is one of those:

Several months ago I told a new friend of mine that I had regular OBE's.  They were not really familiar with what they were.  This person is non-religious but open to possibilities.  So, after describing some basic experiences he said, "ok, you've never been to my house before... could you come to my house and then tell me about it after your experience?".  I told him of some success I had had in the past doing this but was not sure I could do the same with him because I'm still working on control of direction etc.  So, I told him, "you can help me do this i think if every night that you go to sleep, you mentally invite me over to your house.".  Well, several months went by.  In my OBE experiences and visions I never traveled to his house.  However, one night I did have a hazy dream in which I remember seeing this friend come up to me and invite me over to see his house.  I travelled to his house in the dream and saw that it was a light blue house sitting to the right side of a culdisack.  About 2 weeks later we were having coffee and he asked me if I had been able to make it to his house.  I said, no not really... but that I had had a hazy dream and I told him the details.  At that time he didn't say anything and I told him not to tell me if I was right or wrong.

Another month went by and just today we were having coffee again and he asked me if I had been able to visit his house in an OBE.  I told him I had not even tried for a while.  He said, "oh... do you want to know if you were right at all in your dream you had a while back?"... I said, "sure... but don't tell me anything about the inside of your house... just what I saw outside in my dream.".  He then told me that when I told him my dream a month ago he had been really blown away.  His house does indeed reside in a culdisack, sits on the right side of it, and is a light blue in color.  He figured the chances of me getting all three details correct by guessing were low.  So then he says, "I want to ask if you looked up my address and went over to my house to look at it?"... of course I told him I had not.  He is now very actively practicing meditation himself and has had a couple of experiences.

In any event, this seems to indicate to me that I must have travelled over to his house while out of body, but in the morning the memories were so hazy it seemed like more of a dream.  So, this reinforces for me the probability that the statement that we all OBE at night when we dream is true.  Thus, attempting increase dream awareness and recall would likely have a directly proportional effect on our ability to have highly lucid OBE experiences.

This morning I had another OBE experience and similar to some of my past OBE's recently I was fascinated to just hang out in the area between the physical and the astral for a while before fully leaving my body.  One of the things that happens to me on a consistent basis is that as i phase into the OBE environment I go through a state or tuning in which I actually hear the radio playing music, although my physical radio is not on.  This morning was no different except I decided to go into the state, out of it again, and then back into it several times to make sure my radio indeed was not on.  Everytime I came out of it and openened my physical eyes there was no sound of a radio... then i would close my eyes and let myself phase back into the astral and there would be the radio again in full stereo.  I layed there and listened to it for at least 20 or 30 minutes just to see if it would continue.  Sure enough after one song completed another song started.  They were tunes I had heard before but did not listen to very frequently.  Indeed I make a point of NOT listening to the radio very much at all.  So I found it fascinating to tune into this on the astral... a continuous stream of music programming song after song and even advertising, announcements, etc.  So, either I was indeed listening to an actual radio station or somehow in that state my mind was replaying a radio station I had heard in the past with 100% perfect recall and audio clarity.  Either way it's very fascinating.  It would sure beat MP3's and CD's if we could recall music with such clarity and precision at will.  Anyway, just thought I would share.

Early this morning after a good nights sleep I let myself fall into the dream state again but in a very lucid way.  I felt myself pulled in a particular direction and I went there.  I was completely aware and somehow "knew" that I was interacting with the dreams or minds of other individuals externally... that is.. that it wasn't in my head.  I first interacted with a cousing that I hadn't seen in a while and learned some things going on in his family.  Then I moved off and found myself walking down a narrow corridor... almost like a hospital or clinic.  I came up behind an old woman who was having a hard time of walking.  I was thinking about ways I could get around her and move on ahead of her when suddenly I was given a ROTE that let me know this old woman was Michael Jackson's mother.  I stepped up beside her and started supporting her with my arm helping her to walk. I was then given another rote that showed me that Mrs. Jackson was very upset at her Daughters Latoya and Janet.  She was upset at Janet for the accusations that she was a lesbian.  Part of the ROTE actually showed Janet experimenting with lesbianism but not really being truly a lesbian. However, her mother was very upset at all the rumors. I helped her along until we came to her family sitting in the hallway. Michael was sitting there looking very much like he did in his early years of fame when he hadn't had much plastic surgery done.  I nodded to him, handed his mother over to him, and then proceeded on my own marry way as if this was all quite normal.  He nodded back in thanks for helping his mother and that was it.

I then moved onto connecting with another friend in their dreams and chatted with them for a while.  I really don't understand where this came from.  I'm not particulary keyed into the Jackson's and don't follow the media stories about their affairs.  Why would I key into Mrs. Jackson's disappointment with her daughters?  If this is just my mind making things up, where did it get that info from?  Why did I so keenly feel the emotions and disapproval of Mrs. Jackson toward her daughters?  You'd think that if this were something out of my own mind, I would be more likely to make my focus Michael Jackson instead of just a passing nod to him with my main focus his mother and her daughters.  Any thoughts, ideas, or news anyone has that might corroborate any of the info?

Chris

At approximately around 9:50 p.m. pacific standard time I was watching T.V. with my girlfriend and suddenly felt a wave of ... well... something hit me.  It literally made my vision shimmer and wave... it was strange.  I immediately felt like something very bad had happened somewhere... sort of like a "disturbance in the force" like in star wars.  Now, either something fairly significantly bad did happen around that time or something went weird chemically in my own head.  So, just wanted to post it to see if anyone else felt anything or heard of any news.  So far I haven't seen anything on the news that might explain it.  I'm also hoping it wasn't something family related.  Anyway, there it is.

chris

I'm re-posting this possible prophetic vision I had in view of the current events it may apply.

This was written in my journal on 6/12/2002:

I am a jewish man and I'm descending from some place above down into a town square. This feels like a place in Israel or Palestine. As I move down into the street I see a man across the street with a young boy at his side. They seem to be out of place. Also, there is a large barell type thing on a stand next to him that is wrapped around with some white sort of cloth. Immediately I intuitively deduce a number of things about this man. He is a suicide terrorist about to explode a bomb full of deadly chemicals, his name is .... habib or hadid or something like that. In the vision I could see the whole name and struggled to bring the memory of it back with me when I woke up. I knew the date was the 17th... again I could see the entire date but was only able to bring back the number 17 as the day. Immediately I screamed at the other people to run because the man had a bomb. I felt the wind on my face and new that I had to run upwind because the chemicals would spread on the wind. As I was running the bomb exploded behind me. I just kept running and then zap, I was awake and sweating and trying to recall all the litttle details and dates.