[Most people don't realise this, but it takes several years of practice (for most people) to enter the astral straight through meditation (sometimes referred to as a "Fully Conscious Projection".)]

Most people don't realise this, but it takes several years of practice (for most people) to enter the astral straight through meditation (sometimes referred to as a "Fully Conscious Projection".)

Why is this?

What is "astral RTZ"?

When I imagine going down the tunnel, and bringing in most of my senses intensely, my upper body begins to shake violently by itself. That it was what I meant by my other post.

Does your actual physical body vibrate aswell when projecting?

Thanks for the link CF.

Thanks for the file kiwibonga, i'll make sure to try it out.

Just there I was highly relaxed with a clear mind and I was imagining myself falling down a dark tunnel and then I imagined the wind hitting me, the smell of the tunnel, what exactly it looks like, and the upper part of my  physical body started to "shake", or "pulse" by itself from the inside. It happened everytime I imagined the scene in much detail.

What is this?

Thanks man, I am very passive, I will try your suggestions

What types of structured OB practices are there?

Hi. I have been trying to OBE a lot lately, but to no result.

I relax my body and try to keep my mind clear, but my body could have no feeling for HALF AN HOUR yet I still wouldn't have feelings of OBE'ing at all. Like I was very tired going to bed last night, but kept my mind awake. I was awake for 4 hours straight, with a conscious mind, no feeling in my body but still no OBE.

Can someone help?

Appearently the brain is still functioning properly even on a flat EEG. (according to Master Jingo)

Last night, after the twitching of the eyes, I felt some vibration up my legs but they stopped after a bit at my legs. I then for the next 2 hours felt as if my body was hovering a couple of inches up and down (not my entire body though), but I never got those intense vibrations again and  I never left my body.

What is this?

Is there anymore news about the brain functioning well evens week after no EEG activity is present?

Not sure if it was astral linked or not, but here it goes.

I was meditating for roughly 20 minutes, saying "aum" and consciously paying attention to my oxygen intake and outtake. The "screen" before my closed eyes are normally bright, pink. But then the "screen" turned dark, with different types of shapes coming and going there, and when I focused my concentration more into the darkened screen my eyes started to twitch, does anyone know what this is? The screen went bright about 10 seconds later again. This happens at least twice every mediatation session.

PS: I sometimes see peoples faces in this screen, faces I don't consciously think of.

["The brain isn’t functioning. It’s not there. It’s destroyed. It’s abnormal. But, yet, it can produce these very clear experiences ... an unconscious state is when the brain ceases to function. For example, if you faint, you fall to the floor, you don’t know what’s happening and the brain isn’t working. The memory systems are particularly sensitive to unconsciousness. So, you won’t remember anything. But, yet, after one of these experiences (a NDE), you come out with clear, lucid memories ... This is a real puzzle for science. I have not yet seen any good scientific explanation which can explain that fact."]

People can have NDE's aswell walking down a street aswell, and in many other places. It is not limited to just dying, and I think some people may have NDE's later than others while dying.

You have a good point about when should we be classified as dead, when does the brain stop functioning normally. We'll have to find out when the brain stops producing clear experiences, like an NDE, and if an NDE occurs before or after this. though people who experience NDE's do have no sense of time, so there mind might be in a "non locality zone" (as quantum physics puts it).

Also, this is a quote about NDE's from Dr Peter Fenwick: (a neurologist)

"The brain isn’t functioning. It’s not there. It’s destroyed. It’s abnormal. But, yet, it can produce these very clear experiences ... an unconscious state is when the brain ceases to function. For example, if you faint, you fall to the floor, you don’t know what’s happening and the brain isn’t working. The memory systems are particularly sensitive to unconsciousness. So, you won’t remember anything. But, yet, after one of these experiences (a NDE), you come out with clear, lucid memories ... This is a real puzzle for science. I have not yet seen any good scientific explanation which can explain that fact."

(taken from http://www.near-death.com/experiences/lsd04.html)

It is weird alright with "if this was true you could cure this and that".

I am almost certain that psychic abilites do exist, but whether they are so advanced to do all these things that are possible, I don't think so yet. But remember, we only need ONE person out of 6 and a half BILLION people to do these things, and psychic abilities are confirmed.

Sorry, what I meant is neurology is just an assumption about consciousness and that stuff. A person has a NDE and they automatically think it is a problem with the brain, avoiding the profound experience it was on the individual, rather than some hazard that they can hardly remember.

Also about the brains core processes, if memory is a thing of the brain, do you not think that it would be affected at all with the brain running much less than it's optimal capacity? When people go throught the tunnel they see, let's say Jesus, they can remember him in vivid detail, and their passed away relatives too. This all points to consciousness still operating at full capacity, a feat which I think would be impossible if it was produced by the brain, because the brain would be in disarray IMO when it's electrical activity cannot even be sensed on the EEG.

Also, what do you think of the eastern philosophies? Like we discussed the western but the east hold interesting ones aswell, like Buddhism for example. (plus if we have ET's they might have some too )