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801  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Any Helpfull hints? on: February 12, 2009, 03:04:58
Yes, the vibrations are almost always a wonderful indicator/signpost that you are close to an OBE, though not an absolute guarantee.

Also, you may find that, over time, the vibes begin to diminish in intensity or disappear altogether. Why, I don't know; maybe we just become so accustomed to them that they lose their prominence; maybe they're just a subconscious signal that we provide ourselves that we finally no longer need.

Another thing you mention is body position for OBE and yes, I would recommend experimenting with that. Try a more upright position, propping yourself up in bed or sitting in a recliner for an OBE attempt and see what that brings.

I got that idea from one of CFTravelers posts, that she uses a recliner frequently. It occurred to me to try it one morning and I had the most amazing phasing experience as a result.

Good progress acidicstar, I'm still jealous. smiley

EV

802  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: OK, what's the problem here? on: February 09, 2009, 03:20:01
owl and saberdog,

you're very welcome, I'm happy to share what I know (or at least am pretty certain of  grin).

Twenty years ago, I didn't have all these different techniques and bits of theories to work with, therefore I stuck with the plain old 'meditate in the afternoon or evening' technique. What I should have tried was getting up at 2 in the morning, or 3 or 5am; or taking a nap in the middle of a quiet Saturday. Reinforcing my OBE desire by reading, or using affirmations all the while.

At some point, the connection is made, often seemingly by accident...and then we have a couple OBEs. Then if that connection can be steadily reinforced, it becomes more permanent and useable.

owl,

you mentioned 'clarity of mind'. Yes, once you get a taste of your first few OBEs, many people find a tremendous variation in their clarity. Sometimes you're dumb and stumbling, sometimes clueless as to what to do next, othertimes you feel SuperSmart...it seems to vary according to your energy level and your intent.

It is always an adventure!

EV
803  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Any Helpfull hints? on: February 09, 2009, 02:51:50
We're not ignoring you; we're probably just jealous at your apparent success so quickly achieved. grin

Seriously, that sounds like a good start! Don't get frustrated by the fact that for every single step forward, it seems that you come to a halt and ask, 'Okay, where do I go from here?' That's the way the process seems to work for most of us.

Although you didn't achieve an outright conscious OBE through your 'relaxation stuff', IMO you sent a strong enough message to your subconscious that it set up the proper conditions once you relaxed enough and fell asleep; then your subconscious 'woke you up', with everything ready to go. Nicely done and a big THANK YOU to your subconscious!

That may in fact, be YOUR technique to work with for awhile. You may try some others, but damn, that sure seemed to work right out of the gate.

2 ways to work with the vibrations. 1) Many people experience them as a fiery ring of vibrating energy that encircles the body and travels up and down, head to toe and back. You work on controlling the vibratory rate and the travel rate, slowly increasing both in frequency until you feel like 'lifting out'.
2) You feel the vibrations as a generalised, non-specific, whole-body vibration and just work on raising the frequency to the point where you try a 'liftout' (pick your own point as I still can't define where mine is).

This may or may not work the first few tries; don't get frustrated, it's a lot of small steps.

EV
804  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: i think i am projecting on: February 07, 2009, 05:15:26
Like jub jub said,

when it happens, you'll definitely know it. Same with vibrations; it may start as a light buzzing or tingling in one part of your body, but full-blown vibrations will be unmistakable, they will shake you to the core and likely scare the hell out of you the first few times.

Keep trying, keep researching...and enjoy the journey!
805  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: tell me about the physical world on: February 07, 2009, 05:04:19
There is no such thing as an 'easy technique'.

It's not a question of 'hard' or 'easy'.

You have to find the technique that works for you. There are many, many 'signposts' that can point you along the way. Many of your questions can be answered by doing research on older posts on this website.

When you hit on something that works for you, then it will seem 'easy'...at least for that one step...

Then, just like the rest of us, you move on to the next step, or the next set of questions...

Rinse, lather and repeat!

EV
806  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: OK, what's the problem here? on: February 07, 2009, 03:28:01
saberdog,
I agree with dbmathis...practice, practice, practice. You have a lot of 'data collection' to do before things start making sense or can be organised in a workable fashion. We are all slightly different in what works as OBE triggers and positive, observable signposts along the way versus what are, for us individually, dead ends ( no pun necessarily intended ).

Personally, I spent the last twenty plus years experiencing just what you describe, and honestly, getting probably nowhere. That's not to say that possibly tomorrow, you could find a workable exit technique from where you are currently. Again, we're all different.

Everything you describe, I experienced as well...what I came to realise, at least for me, was that I was still not relaxed or deep enough. My conscious mind was still too much in control.

What finally worked was the Wake Back To Bed method (WBTB), where you sleep normally for 3 to 5 hours, wake up for half an hour or so, then attempt a meditation/OBE exercise---your physical body is sufficiently rested that it won't drag your consciousness deep down into sleep but it can easily return to a very relaxed state; your mind being rested but not such that it demands center stage and overpowering the process.

Additionally, there is discussion of the MindAwakeBodyAsleep condition, necessary for projection. I always thought of this as a highly relaxed state which I believed I was achieving in my evening attempts...well I wasn't even close! Early one morning, doing the WBTB method, I relaxed for 20 minutes or so...and then realised someone was snoring...and it was me!! For the first time, I realised my body was comfortably asleep and my mind was still clicking along...what an epiphany! Maybe all my previous meditations had served to get me here, but in retrospect I had never really been close to this! And that's just one springboard to the Great Beyond.

So that's a condition I would suggest aiming for.

Finally, I would suggest spending literally ten or twenty hours researching the archives here on AP. Go back to page 313 on this section and start reading forward anything involving Frank, Adrian, tvos, Ginny, Selski, CFTraveler and other veteran posters and you'll find most of your questions answered, and multiple new questions raised. The information here is invaluable, you just have to invest your time.

Start with the Frank Kepple Phasing Resource

Best of luck and see you out there.

EV
807  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Dream self projecting on: February 04, 2009, 04:57:26
Sounds like decent progress owl,

the 'heart pounding, expanding' feeling is normal. This is likely your 'energy body' starting to wake up and notice itself. The key is to learn to relax, not get excited and let the process unfold on its own. Getting excited and spoiling the whole thing is perfectly reasonable the first several times.  You may find that several hours of sleep is necessary to allow yourself enough relaxation/recuperation to successfully exit, but what you describe is very normal. Keep at it.

Also, keep in mind that different adjustments are taking place at different levels within your mind/psyche/soul...that is, that you are coming to grips with the whole concept of OBE. Your second paragraph indicates to me that your subconscious? is toying with the idea of different OBE perspectives...sort of practicing. What's it like this way? What would it be like that way?

This is tricky stuff and not necessarily learned in a week or two, it can take years. On very subliminal levels your mind/subconscious/soul has to recalibrate to accept this. It's not always apparent.

Then one day it just seems to happen, as if by accident, easier than you thought; maybe not as complete or quite as you expected, but a start nonetheless.

Keep trying, you're close. Good job!

EV

808  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: struggling with projection! on: December 30, 2008, 03:29:42
wow, you guys bring up a few issues here,

barkington,
that sounds like a great early morning first attempt. It appears that you projected your double, but didn't transfer your awareness to it sufficiently to go with it. Then, when it returned, your physical memories superceded or 'overwrote' its memories. It 'felt' like something happened, but you didn't have any memory of it, right? That's okay, still a good start. Nobody said this is easy, otherwise everybody would already be doing it!  Keep up with the early morning attempts, after 5 or 6 hours of sleep. Set a simple goal, like just standing in your room, or standing outside your house, or seeing a playing card you left on the kitchen table. Keep it simple; we're like two year olds when we start doing this.

Keep trying for a couple weeks and if you get frustrated, then take a break for a week or two; sometimes our 'inner self' needs time to decompress or absorb what we've learned. You might be surprised that something unexpected happens in the meantime. Then keep on...

fowlskins,
sounds like pretty good exit sensations to me, you're getting closer. Ah yes, the Fear Layer. We all have it to varying degrees. Some of it is no doubt enculturation and belief system, some is simply survival mode. It can be trickier than we think. You can accept the idea of OBE on an intellectual level, but still have to deal with the fear on a deeper level.

With continued practice, you will pass beyond it. Affirmations can help as well. Just keep on...

classikage,
I need more info...we all wander. And wonder! Get more detuned! Try the early morning method.

243...,
don't worry about your eyes, just go with the flow. Whatever 'flow' presents itself. It's different in so many ways; just dive in a few times without 'looking'!

Best to all,

EV
809  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: How is this possible? on: December 19, 2008, 01:48:44
Mister Astral,

It's like trying anything new for the first time, few of us do it perfectly. Sometimes you will find it hard to move, navigate, see clearly, hear, communicate, think straight...with repeated experiences, you will hopefully see a progression of ability. Don't be frustrated by the slowness of it or seeming setbacks, which may happen from time to time.

IMO, it has a lot to do with 'energy level' and 'intention'; being somewhat serious about those two areas has a lot to do with the results. By example, if you attempt an exit when you're really tired or bored and with no particular 'goal' in mind, then don't expect anything other than, at best, an uncontrolled, awkward, clunky experience...which leaves you with a lot of questions about quality and control of the experience.

Low energy has left me feeling like a deep sea diver, clomping along the floor in heavy, lead boots.

Energy, intention, & other conditions have left me with varying levels of astral awareness. Sometimes I see through a fog, sometimes it's like looking through a layer or two of bandage gauze ( someone else's description but it's totally accurate ), sometimes I see clearly but just feel 'stupid', 'low IQ', sometimes I see SuperClear and SuperIntelligent. Or at least I think so,LOL.

It takes time and repeated practice.


KI Aura,

Sorry to hear about your difficulties projecting now that you're an 'old guy'. grin I suffered pretty much the same thing, tho' I was only an accidental projector when I was a teen. It seems that the 'programming' we had in our younger days is covered over by time, disuse, distraction, stress, enculturation...physical LIFE in other words. Nothing wrong with that, just that we have to learn to incorporate/integrate the two. Part of the whole 'learning/spiritual process' right?

My recent improvement has come from early morning attempts, after about 5,6,7 hours of sleep; the WBTB method.  All the afternoon and evening meditation stuff got me close, but just never close enough. Early morning...just opened up the world.

Happy travels!

EV
810  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: How is this possible? on: December 17, 2008, 04:44:47
Sounds like a great start! I wish I had this kind of resource to refer to when this stuff happened 30 years ago when I was 15.

Interpretations and conclusions are relative to your own level of understanding/evolution, so don't get too bothered when questions remain. We ALL still have questions. The details/nuances still sometimes remain unanswered.

Vibrations early on, and even years later, can be noisy, flashy and violent. Wild, isn't it? Just stay calm.

Energy body turned around on exit or reentry, yeah, that too. On exit, that can take you in completely unexpected directions as well. It's not as simple as first thought.

Don't be distracted by the noise and turbulence; stay calm and go with the flow. We all chicken out the first few times, it goes with the territory.

Weird? ... yes, definitely weird! And mind-expanding!

Have fun!

EV
811  Astral Chat / Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Hello to all.. on: December 16, 2008, 04:12:09
It comes and goes in waves, no? Time to wake up and re-invigorate that energy body, KI A! Let's do some astral pushups! grin

All the best...astral and otherwise!

EV
812  Astral Chat / Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Hello Intro on: December 16, 2008, 03:24:33
Stookie,

thanks for the welcome. Yeah, Frank's posts deserve a Pulitzer for his advancement of our knowledge on this subject. I've spent maybe a hundred hours on his stuff. Hard to add anything other than confirmation of some of what's already been said. Same for yourself, Tisha, MJ, Ginny, Upstream, Adrian, tvos, CFT and others...many others.

KI Aura,

thanks for the Hello! Yeah, there's a lifetime of studying here already. I look forward to your contributions and sharing. Let's see how much further we can take it before the game runs out!

EV
813  Astral Chat / Welcome to Members Introductions! / Hello Intro on: December 12, 2008, 03:19:46
Hi to everyone,

looking forward to sharing thoughts and ideas on a fascinating and apparently infinite topic! What a great resource we are provided here. Hundreds of hours of archives to sift through...thanks to all the contributors.

EV
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