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801  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: My Current Progression on: August 12, 2009, 05:06:26
Light, weird and spinning tells me that you're energy body is loosening up and that's good. All that energy around your forehead seems to indicate your brow chakra is being activated which is good for a more visual and controlled kind of projection, I'm more of a root or heart chakra type, at least early on.

I would suggest that you continue what you are doing for awhile. If you desire a change, maybe try the WBTB method and wake yourself after 3 or 4 hours sleep, and then try a meditational technique. Or try a nap in the middle of the afternoon.

Progress can be slow and confusing at times, but it sounds like you're getting there. Keep on, EV.
802  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Finally had a lucid dream! on: August 12, 2009, 04:45:31
Gbob,
What a success! You did it! You did the WakeBackToBed method(WBTB), found the right timing and launched into a Lucid Dream, which you recognised and then converted into an 'etheric' or RTZ OBE, complete with all the attendant 'reality fluctuations'; that is, in my opinion. Way to go!

The dream characters disappearing was a good indication that they indeed, were dream characters; the bright light and hurricane noise, IMO were indicative of a transition from LD to a more conscious, 'etheric' OBE. Once there, you recognised certain incongruities consistant with etheric or RTZ OBEs: the room wasn't exact, your vision somehow different, your arm strangely missing (I have no idea why), you bumped into things...and you're running around naked ( I do that all the time  grin).

Your failure to immediately walk through walls likely has more to do with limiting beliefs and maybe, by that time, you were starting to run out of focus/energy...like jub jub suggested. Even once you finally do it, it still isn't easy, or automatic or without its limitations.

Great first OBE! Work on energy raising and maintaining focus. Reflect on recognising the difference between the LD and the RTZ. Spectacular! EV
803  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Alarm Clock Method Question... on: August 08, 2009, 06:03:37
Gbob,
I don't think that one or the other is necessarily better than the other; you have to find that out for yourself, and it may vary from day to day.

The one essential component imo, is your level of intent.

This WBTB method is what works for me during the last couple years; that may change in the future. Sometimes I can roll over, almost on the edge of sleep and one of two things happen: If my intent is strong enough, I might have an OBE immediately (with or without vibrations); if my intent is not strong I may simply fall back to sleep...sometimes having a Lucid that I then take advantage of, or maybe not.

Most of the time, I'll get up and poke around or read for 15 minutes to an hour, nothing too strenuous or mentally complicated, then lay back down and give it a try. From that point it can take anywhere from a minute to an hour for a successful exit, and that's not always guaranteed, at least for me.

The energy work and chakra work are also good ideas, as KK said. Your individual formulation will no doubt vary.

Another neat trick to try is to move from your bed to a recliner or prop yourself up in bed with a few pillows. This allows you to breathe a little more freely and is a signal to your subconscious that you're doing something more than just sleeping. That can introduce an interesting variable...

Best of luck, EV
804  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: I'm new, and kinda scared.. ): on: August 07, 2009, 05:10:58
DerekG,
Welcome to the "Early OoBE'rs Club"! Replete with all sorts of confusing auditory and visual phenomenae.
It's all quite REAL when you finally do it, and yet it presents twice the number of questions as it seems to immediately answer; and this takes the form of 'reality fluctuations': confusing visuals, references, noises and emotional discordance to deal with.

Don't sweat it, ask for 'clarity' now and then, and stay emotionally stable and calm...and have fun! EV
805  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: I'm one tip away from getting out! on: August 07, 2009, 04:53:48
I think you're very close! Just accept each experience as it shows itself, even if one step at a time.

Imo, the gyrations you feel are indicators of your energy body loosening itself and limbering up and that's great progress, no matter which direction it takes; falling, rising, spinning, it's all good.

You may or may not get significant vibrations; like Steel Hawk says, you'll definitely know them if you get them in their stronger, full body sense. If not, don't worry about it. Like Sisyphus and SH said, just go with the flow of what you have available at the time. Push it, but not too much...it may have to play out at its own speed...frustration and impatience become your worst enemy. Forget the extraneous sounds and noise, they're just signposts that you're making good headway.

It can take several attempts at this stage, with what feels like little or no advancement; the truth is, you are making the most progress right now!

Keep pushing! EV
806  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Struggling getting out on: August 04, 2009, 04:43:44
It's tricky stuff and we are all somewhat different as to what our personal triggers are; I still get stuck and frustrated now and then. Sometimes my best move is just to relax and give up...then when I don't expect anything, it just happens naturally.Go figure...

You also might try an affirmation, beforehand. Something positive like, "I project easily and consciously." or "I will go out of body tonight" or "I give myself permission to project". Try repeating the affirmation when the vibrations hit or the timing seems right, but don't push it too much; if it's not happening then just let go and trust to your subconscious.

EV


807  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Was this an OBE? on: August 04, 2009, 04:23:38
I think very definitely, that was an OBE. It's just that early on, they don't happen exactly as planned; the least little thing can seem to trip you up or throw you off course. Don't worry too much about it. Little questions like this will pop up when you least expect it.

I had the same thing happen. My first several OBE's I didn't even consider my physical body, so I didn't try looking for it. Finally, during one outing, I had the distinct thought to look for my physical body, and when I looked...it wasn't there! Just like you reported. I could clearly see my bed and the impression in the bed covers and the pillow, like a body 'should' be there, but it was either invisible or had just disappeared a moment before. Very confusing!

My only rationale is that subconsciously, I was still reluctant to admit to the separation of astral from physical, regardless of my then current intellectual stance.

A month or so later, during my next OBE, I did see my body but was noticeably disinterested in it and therefore avoided any contact. Weeks later during another OBE, I was more comfortable within a close proximity to my body, 'asking' for clarity and 'drawing' energy, and I was able to study my body and noticed that as I moved closer to my body, it would respond with heavier breathing and slight movements, to the point that I was worried that I was disturbing it too much, almost playing with it from my new perspective; I even started getting some 'dual awareness' flashes, so I decided to back off.

Hope that helps a little, EV
808  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: For people scared of losing their personalities on: July 31, 2009, 04:54:53
Great conversation, and I tend to agree with most of CFT's and Stookie's conjectures.

I'd like to add these thoughts: I think much of our present ego/personality does decay or at least diminish significantly when we transition and eventually return to/move closer to our Soul/Source. That doesn't negate the experiences we had, just the mental-emotional baggage that we picked up along the way; and to some degree, our present individuation.

I think it was a book by willy Sutphen that I first came upon the idea of several variations of Soul theory: Are we each individual souls? Are we each just one of many souls under the 'umbrella' of a Group Soul? Is each one of those souls an independent soul or just variations of Me, experiencing different lives/timelines? Or are we somehow related through the Group Soul? Is that Group Soul independent or simply one of many under the guidance of an OverSoul...and so on until finally the Source or the One?

So yes, somewhere along the way I start to have a little trepidation of just how much my present ego/identity survives along the way; on the other hand, I wouldn't mind a little Unity and Wholeness for a change.
My current OBE awareness appears to preclude any fear of total identity loss, but hey, that could be mistaken. Ultimately, there's not much I can do about it. Maybe.

The Buddhist philosophy seems to push towards purifying/cleansing the mind of egoistic desires and wants to the point of creating a Body of Light that one can step into instantly at the moment of death and without suffering a loss of consciousness and by doing so transcend into a higher state of being and transcending the Wheel of Karma/Rebirth. Probably easier said than done.

But just maybe, that's how another soul or soul extension is born or differentiated from the Soul Group? Maybe that's how we ultimately individuate?

And finally, like CFT pondered, what happens at the end? Do we all ultimately assimilate back to the One Source/God; the physical universe contracting down upon itself into an impossibly dense Singularity, only to explode again in another Big Bang? Or forever expanding outward?

809  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Question on hitting the vibrating state more consistently. on: July 22, 2009, 04:01:24
I agree with what Lighten, TL and Xanth have said.

Individuals vary; you'll have to discover your own specific triggers and timing, but what they have shared are good guidelines.

TL makes a good point in suggesting that the more attempts you make, although unsuccessful at the time, the attempts also serve to program your sub?conscious as to your intent to OBE, so that when the proper time does arrive, you'll be better prepared/programmed to respond to the opportunity. Personally, I have found this a very important component.

Also, I find it's not so important what time you go to sleep as the amount of time you sleep. You need to make an OBE attempt when both your body and mind are rested, but not completely rested; especially the body. Like Xanth said, trying to project before a normal night's sleep is very difficult except maybe for very experienced projectors. Your physical body just drags you down into sleep like an anchor and your consciousness along with it.

So the idea is to sleep maybe 2/3 or 3/4 of your normal sleep cycle and then make an attempt. That way your body is rested but not so completely that you can't return to sleep if you wanted to; and your mind is rested sufficiently that it can still control and direct your attempt. You can try staying awake for 15 minutes to an hour and then making an attempt, or you can immediately roll over and back to the edge of Slumberland, I've had success with each. It can take ten seconds or an hour to get results...just try different timings.

HTH, EV








810  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: what was this? on: July 18, 2009, 02:49:36
travelingdog,
I think your last post indicates a 'next step' improvement in your process. First, you described the vibrational stage. Now, you're describing a 'bobbing' sensation that I have experienced, and I think this is your 'energy body' starting to move around, finally be noticed and somewhat controlled by your conscious awareness. Your energy body can bounce all around, left to right, up and down, expand and contract...and it won't necessarily feel totally under your control just yet. The important thing is that you noticed and felt it.

Don't be frustrated if this seems a ridiculously slow process, you didn't learn to walk or ride a bike in one easy lesson, and this is no different...in fact it's harder on many levels. A challenge and an adventure!

I think a slow understanding and a kind of mental/astral 'rewiring' has to take place as you become aware of, and learn how to operate this new 'vehicle' you can inhabit.

At this point, you can try some different approaches; what will work for you can only be discovered by
you.

You can try 'willing' yourself upward or to roll out one side.

You can try a verbal command such as " I want to float/project upward into my room."

You can try modulating and increasing the vibrational rate to see if that initiates a release.

If none of this works, then simply 'let go'. Relax and drift in whatever direction you're taken. Be confident that you've given your sub?conscious enough instructions of what you want...and then let go, step aside.
If you push any approach too much, you'll just push yourself back to full, physical waking consciousness.

Keep the inner dialogue to a minimum.

Best of luck, EV
811  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: First truly shocking experience on: July 14, 2009, 05:25:27
pluto, my sympathies for your current difficulties. Mine, too, with a company of 100 plus and the worst economy in thirty years, and a personal relationship strained to breaking...but these are the challenges we somehow chose; I guess we try to meet them with effort, honesty and our spirit. I'm not sure what else to offer, I guess that's why I'm here.

With that said, AP is not an escapist philosophy, or at least shouldn't be; rather it's the other side of the Life Coin, something to become aware of and to explore when the time is right. Maybe it provides a little insight along the way.

All my best, EV
812  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: First truly shocking experience on: July 14, 2009, 04:47:54
I think you had an excellent first OBE. Well-handled during the experience, with good awareness, and very clearly and descriptively reported...thanks, it was a great read!

Imho, you encountered several distinct qualities of OBE and managed not to get thrown off track by any of them and went through the experience with enough lucidity to reasonably and accurately report it. I think the voices you encountered fall under the category of 'Dweller on the Threshold' variety: they may be unconscious warning phenomenae or they may be entities outside of you... I subscribe to the former, seeing as I still get the same thing from time to time, involving my own voice or that of another, or even that of a certain TV 'authority'.

The rest of your report seemed a mix of RTZ/Dream/Astral events that is quite complex and would take some time to dissect; but overall I think you handled it very well, with remarkable clarity and focus. Ultimately, the final definition of events is up to you.

Finally, imho, the feeling of 'they are coming for you...' is nothing more than a subconscious fear that 'you' are throwing up in front of 'yourself'. And that's normal, most of us go through that phase. It could have to do with proximity of your projected body with your physical body.

Atb, EV


813  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: AP on your side? on: July 09, 2009, 05:02:47
It seems to me a very individual thing and probably different night to night.

I usually try from on my back, although several times I've given up from that position, rolled over onto either side and almost instantly started up with the vibrations and lifted out moments later...go figure.

I think the recliner may be the hot ticket, though I'm not currently set up for that. Mine's in the garage.
814  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: For people scared of losing their personalities on: July 09, 2009, 04:39:23
Lighten, I think that's a great question and one I've been pondering.

How much of our current identity do we lose or move beyond between lives? Do I 'return' to a baseline soul consciousness when I die? Personally, currently, I think the answer may be yes, based on my perceived 'mental' state when I project. I seem noticeably distant or disconnected from my current physical/mental/emotional/life status when I have an obe.

In my physical state, I sense an undercurrent of fear and loss of identity associated with obe and death.

How much of that is natural? I'm no longer that 8 year old boy; I've certainly left something behind, if not many things...how do I choose to characterize it? As something I've lost or something I've evolved into...?

With Obe and Death, what within me is fearing the transition? Is it the Ego described by Freud? To give it a name for reference, is the Ego that quasi-biological/metaphysical link that fears it's own extinction upon death? Maybe the Ego does get left behind, and it's scared and fighting for it's survival...

All the exit symptoms that we report early on in our attempts, aberrant noises, screams of 'No!', 'Stop!' and 'Don't do that!'...the lurking FEAR and shadowy, cloaked figures that all seem configured to divert our intention on projecting...is this all simply a manifestation of our Ego trying to desperately hold onto its position in our consciousness? Because we are about to leave it behind?

Just some thoughts.
815  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Looking for advice concerninng Focus 10 development. on: July 01, 2009, 05:03:41
I'll add my 2 cents to Stookie's and Xanth's excellent advice.
Yes, sometimes you need to relax and "take a breather" in order to gather momentum for the next step, and these "steps" may be smaller or less obvious than you first thought.

Imho, you may need a greater degree of "intention" of what to do next; where do you want to go? Who do you want to see? What do you want to do next?...quite often, I'll find that I've expended all this energy and preparation to achieve an exit...and then I'll just float there with no real distinct purpose or intention in mind---and it just doesn't occur to you automatically, at least for me and probably most of the time for me. So I have to work at it step by small step, building in secondary and tertiary "intentions".
Sometimes this works and others I just head off in a random direction, not quite accomplishing what I had originally planned.

Seems to me you could just patiently wait for the hypnogogics to slow down to the point where the 3D blackness returns and then express an intent to visit this place or that person...or you could step into the vision screen at some point, knowing that it's likely a Lucid of some degree and change your circumstances from there. Myself, I usually get sucked into the Lucid and go from there. The initial energy and exhilaration of experiencing the vision screen can be overwhelming.

Great work, keep us posted!
816  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Is this an obe?help please! on: May 21, 2009, 05:28:20
Thanks for the info CFTraveler,

I have to ask too, can you expand on the idea of 'third eye projections'?
817  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Am I astral projecting or just in a deep meditative state? on: May 21, 2009, 05:06:49
threemoons, it's a pleasure sharing ideas with you and I get the feeling you'll travel far and fast in your endeavors!

The Monroe courses have been a huge temptation for me, especially since his place is just a couple hours away, literally in my back yard. A little personal history: Monroe's first book was my first OBE introduction that I discovered when I was 13 years old. When I was a young twenty-something, around 1982, my friend had a cabin in the Blue Ridge mountains that I would weekend at and one afternoon I realised that Monroe's home in Afton was only 20 or so miles away; I drove through the town and inquired but was told that he had moved, whereabouts unknown. As it turned out, he had only relocated some ten miles away. I still wonder what possible, different direction my life might have taken had I found the place...heck, I'd have swept floors for minimum wage at the time.

But then again, around the same time, I almost hopped a bus to Oregon to join an ashram with Bagwhan Shree Rajneesh...he got busted and deported by the IRS a few years later. grin  "Focus on the breath in, focus on the breath out, focus on the turning." Way cool at the time...

But hey, back to your original post for a moment. It seems you can quickly relax to the point of seeing hypnogogic imagery; my experience and understanding says that you should passively observe this until it slows considerably. Then you can 'step into' one of these scenes, but you'll just be in some dream of your own creation (which can be fun all on its own) or you can wait a moment longer and let all the images fade, leaving a white screen or a black screen. Most experienced OBErs describe a black screen and label it the 3D Blackness. In that blackness they wait for and look for a three-dimensional quality or depth to develop, then look for an inconsistancy or subtle difference in the texture, which indicates a portal of sorts...they focus on that and are drawn into it, and are transported into a much 'truer' astral realm.

I've done the hypnogogics, seen the 3D screen, but I don't think I've taken the plunge successfully, rather I have dived off into some lingering dream hypnogogics, then maybe shifted astral; it can all get quite confusing. Most of my OBEs have been the traditional lift out/wander around the bedroom type.

So read up on the 3D Blackness. And I forgot to mention the Astral FAQs here as well.

You also mention Paralysis. It's good that you don't get bothered by that; it's a great roadsign that your body is sufficiently turned off that your spirit can go have some fun! Try just floating out, or rolling or stepping out. During this time, you may experience the Vibrations which can be disconcerting but are perfectly normal and another good roadsign to exit.

Have fun, EV.
818  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Am I astral projecting or just in a deep meditative state? on: May 20, 2009, 03:53:14
I'm prone to do the 'wine thing' too much and honestly, that's the singular thing that slows my progress...no excuse for it, I just have to resolve to clean up that part of my life if I truly want to advance.

Finding quiet time is a challenge, I know what you mean.

As far as books or readings to recommend, I can suggest several: Robert Monroe has 3 wonderful books-Journeys Out of the Body; Far Journeys (a favorite); Ultimate Journey. They are a great read and should be taken in succession for best effect to properly understand his personal journey. That being said, I don't recommend them at first; they don't offer much in the way of techniques so that doesn't help you get out or get much closer to understanding the mental perspective for achieving an exit. His experiences do run practically the entire gamut of OBE/astral possibilities, and best of all, he delivers it without any occult or esoteric overlay, just commonsense reporting. Early on he invented/discovered Hemi-sync audio entrainment, and started an OBE research foundation, you should google The Monroe Institute. He left us quite a legacy and is properly considered one of, if not the modern day pioneer of OBE exploration.

Out of Body Experiences--by Robert Peterson; a good read with balanced perspective and a fair number of techniques.

Adventures Beyond the Body--by William Buhlman; this is next on my list. It is well recommended by others, looks to have a broad perspective (I'm not too keen on 'just' one perspective, whether it be Occult, Theosophical, Wiccan, Kaballistic or whatever; take it all in and decide what to do with it later).

Voyages into the Unknown--by Bruce Moen; Another book on my list. He went through the Monroe Institute programs and wrote several books that are well regarded; with him you'll read about "retrievals".
For more on retrievals, search for posts on this site by Ginny...great stuff, great insight from her.

Soul Flight--by Donald Tyson; currently, I'm halfway through this book and it's a well-written history of the whole OBE subject, from Druidic/Pagan/Shamanic beginnings, through Occult and Theosophic traditions, up to CIA remote-viewing experiments.

Astral Dynamics--by Robert Bruce; Alongside Monroe's work this is considered a recent classic. It's long, gives extensive advice on "energy work" for the dreaming/etheric body that I have found very useful, and gives a perspective on OBE's that includes a multitude of etheric/astral entities that one may encounter, including "negative entities". Some people encounter these things and some don't...nevertheless, the information and advice is excellent.

Again, some of the best information is right here. Dig into Permanent Astral Topics, check out "Techniques", Focus 10, and the Frank Kepple Resource...all great stuff.

Hope this is helpful, EV.
819  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Am I astral projecting or just in a deep meditative state? on: May 19, 2009, 04:41:33
threemoons, I don't meditate in the traditional sense but very rarely these days; a great practice, no doubt, but being an impatient voyager, I pursue certain aids or alternate methods. I have used, over the last couple years, the Monroe Gateway cd's and currently a Tibetan Chakra meditation cd.

All the above is good stuff and is, no doubt, helpful and maybe necessary preparatory work, but for me, my best results have come from the WBTB method, where I wake up in the middle of the night and then settle back to observe the hypnogogics, and transform them into something that i can "step into". What I step into can range from a Dream to an Etheric/RTZ OBE, to a Phasing OBE.

How often? Well, that depends on my level of Intent. If I'm serious, and apply myself daily, then maybe twice a week, depending on other factors. With daily living, work and lots of stress...I can go for months with nothing. With that said, it's so dependent on the individual and how much effort you want to put into it.

As to whether AP is real or not, it's either real or a hell of a complex hallucination that defies any scientific explanation, and I mean not even close! When you find yourself "out", you'll know it beyond doubt. Hah!, as far as premeditated hallucinations/dream fantasies go, I've spent far more time visualising myself frolicking with the ladies at the Playboy Mansion...and sadly, never been able to manifest that "reality" like I have my other OBE adventures  grin. Proof enough for me!

As to "seeing your sleeping body", even that's not so simple as it may seem. The first few times I did notice a "body" in my bed; but when I specifically looked for my body, there was only an empty "space" where my body should have been. The next time, I tried to look at my body but found I could not turn my head towards my body except with the utmost difficulty...I can only surmise that somehow, subconsciously, I was unwilling to deal with the fact of seeing my "separate" body.

All very fascinating stuff. Does it point towards Spirituality and an evolving Afterlife; I haven't verified that for myself but it sure seems to point that way in big NEON letters; so I'll keep searching...

Onward, EV.
820  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Am I astral projecting or just in a deep meditative state? on: May 18, 2009, 01:13:19
threemoons,
 
welcome to the forum! Your description of your experiences indicate a good number of "pre-exit" symptoms. The trick is recognising which one's to pay attention to and follow, and which one's to ignore; all the while not getting too excited by the overall experience, thus short-circuiting the process.

My best advice, first, would be to suggest that you research this site as far back as possible, and work your way forward, say, starting with Permanent Astral Topics and then this section (Discussions), paying particular attention to Posters such as Frank, Ginny, Adrian, Upstream, James, CFT, TVOS and many others (with apologies to anyone I'm forgetting smiley). Actually, everyone's comments are instructive to the difficult process of interpretation of what we are dealing with...there are no instruments or gauges that we take with us, it's all subject to our interpretations/current belief systems...but most Posters add small but nonetheless significant pieces to the overall "Grand Picture", some which you may recognise in your current experience, some maybe not until later. Keep a journal; you'll find it a good resource later.

At some point, you need to tackle the Frank Kepple Phasing Resource...it's invaluable.

Also, do a search on the "3D Blackness"; that's the next step beyond the hypnogogic imagery that you seem to be encountering. Great stuff and good, quick progress on your part.

I say this as a slightly younger contemporary (47). I have been meditating on and off, trying for OBE's for 30 plus years with only sporadic, accidental success...that is until discovering the sheer wealth of info on sites such as this one.

Also, check out MABA (MindAwakeBodyAsleep) and WBTB (WakeBackToBed).

Just some thoughts to get you started; only about 50 hours of research. grin

Enjoy, have fun and see you out there. EV
821  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: How to maintain awareness when gong into sleep state? on: May 13, 2009, 06:31:28
gil-galad,

I think Stookie's advice is right on target for a direct, conscious state exit. I think it applies to almost any state or condition you may find yourself in, when the "opportunity" presents itself. But like he said, it's a delicate balance between "passive" and "active". Too passive, you fall asleep; too active, you wake up.

Personally, I've yet to project from a totally conscious, just meditating kind of state. My conscious mind just would not give up control; or if it did, I simply fell asleep. So, I looked for a kind of back door method. What I have found some success with was the WakeBackToBed method (WBTB).

WBTB means that you follow your normal sleep pattern but interrupt it. Say you normally go to bed at 11pm and wake up at 7am. With WBTB, you set your alarm for 3 or 4am. Now, you can do one or two things: you can simply roll over and head back to sleep while trying to retain some conscious awareness and apply some exit techniques; or, you can get up and stay awake for 10 to 30 minutes and then return to bed for a meditative attempt. Different time periods have different effects, and no doubt, will work with varying success for different people.

Sometimes, I can flip off the alarm, roll over and instantly feel the vibrations kicking in, and have an easy RTZ/etheric exit. Sometimes it goes nowhere.

Other times, I can get up and putter around for 15 minutes, return to bed and get vibrations and a very lucid OBE.

Then again, sometimes I get nothing, no matter what I try.

One time, I propped up my pillows so that I was almost sitting up in bed, relaxed...and the next thing I knew, my body was snoring and asleep...while my mind was totally awake. I saw hypnogogics, the mind screen, the 3D blackness. That was the first time I truly understood Monroe's description of Mind Awake/Body Asleep...and I undertook an interesting set of astral phasings (and experienced the difference between phasing and traditional projection!)

For me, the key seems to be that, after several hours of sleep, my physical body has rested enough so that it doesn't just drag my consciousness down into oblivion, but also that my mind is not so active that an OBE is impossible.

Oh yeah, rundowns. Stookie makes a great point in that an active, moving visual is key to initiating an exit, at least in some instances. You really have to discover this for yourself. When you enter that meditative, pre-exit stage, keep things moving along in some visual manner. Selski offered the trampoline visual; try a rollercoaster, or jogging through the woods... I somehow ended up sledding on snow (backwards!) down some hills, first by my own visualisation, then it took on a life of its own---the next thing I knew I was dumped on my head, unceremoniously, onto a snowy road... and it felt totally real! I was there!

Anyway, that's what currently is working for me. Maybe it serves to help re-wire or re-program my circuitry so that I can one day OBE at-will as Stookie describes. Onward and (hopefully) upward!

Hope this helps a little, EV.
822  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Weird dream about ready for obe on: May 13, 2009, 05:09:22
Panthau,

I think that you are closer than you realise. It may have been "just a dream" but don't discount its significance. Your dream was clearly OBE related and indicates that your subconscious is working on and re-evaluating physical/astral reality relationships. On a conscious level, you may think that you've already settled this issue, but on a deeper level you're still "coming to grips" with the concept.  Just as dbmathis said, you may be doing some "re-wiring". I've noticed the same thing in my own practice.

Remember, even your dreams are taking place on an "astral" level. They may seem low-level and inconsequential at the time, but in fact are necessary groundwork for the road ahead.

And it's perfectly allright to take a break for a couple weeks and not pursue anything "astral", even preferable. Forget about it completely; do other things totally unrelated. That gives your subconscious time to digest what its learned and assimilate.

Then, don't be surprised if something unexpected may happen, without your "willing" it.

Life works that way on many levels.

Don't rush it, this can take some time. The rewards are well worth the effort!

Best of luck, EV.
823  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: 1,000,000 lb stone moved by Ancient South Americans 20,000 years ago on: April 15, 2009, 05:02:05
Whether diorite or Sackrete cement, it's amazing architecture...

And i think the quote by Plato is so apt...but hasn't he always been such?
824  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: my head still attached on: April 15, 2009, 04:39:27
I agree with more brow or crown chakra work; or maybe just overall energybody work beforehand.

It always struck me as somehow incongruous, reading about others experiencing this 'odd' phenomenon...that was until it happened to ME!
I remember easily detaching by my feet and rotating my feet skyward, only to realise that I was pivoting at my head and otherwise 'stuck'! I kept tugging, trying to float straight up, with no luck. Finally, with a fair amount of frustration building, I just rolled straight up and over and back, flipping out the backside of my head and into a significantly different OBE environment than what I was used to...made me realise there might be a whole lot more truth to Monroe's description of rolling 180 degrees and exiting through the back of his head into a different world than I initially gave him credit for.

It's amazing: given some time, effort and the resulting experience, nearly everything described by the more notable OBE explorers can be validated; at least by my own, personal results.

Enough to keep me looking. Best to all.

EV

825  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Have you ever experienced this? on: April 15, 2009, 04:09:39
I certainly understand the difficulty sometimes, in describing these experiences. Often, I'm at a strange loss for words.

Is what you're talking about maybe, 'phasing'?

I think I've done both; and the old-fashioned, etheric? OBE appears with much more 'physical' qualities and descriptors, while 'phasing'  seems much more mental, with instantaneous 'shifts' in awareness/place/time. No vibes, no noises, no warning...just the shift.

Is phasing a slight evolution beyond the traditional OBE? Or just the other side of the same coin?

Just open-ended questions, I don't know. Although my own practices have seen a gradual reduction in vibrational intensity towards a 'warmth' of vibes and more mental shifting.

EV
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