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1  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Exit Symptoms/Signposts on: October 06, 2018, 08:29:52
Got any links/details regarding recommended indirect methods?

I think any method that utilizes losing consciousness right before the OBE is great way for people to get some experience under their belt. This way, unlike direct methods, you don't get all analytical about it and constantly wondering if you're nearly there. Let your consciousness do the work for you. I think going straight for a direct OBE is hard but if you've already created a path in the long grass through some indirect methods it makes it easier to then do direct ones and once you do then move onto direct methods you know exactly what an obe is like for you abd so you k now just how close or far away you are.

If I remember rightly when I first started I did the timer method which involved getting up at around d 5 am then listenING to some binaural beats to send you to sleep but it had a timer go off after a certain amount of time to wake you. You would then drift off again and the timer would go off again after a shorter period of time. This would continue about four times with the time betweens alarms getting shkrter and shorter and all the while your consciousness is levelling off around the wake sleep border and invariably you would automatically experience something like the vibrations or just find yourself out of body.

Also the wake back to bed method is good. I still utilize a modified version of that with about a success rate of 85%.

With these methids you don't need to worry about exit techniques or questions how close you are. William Buhl man did indirect techniques for years.

With doing a direct method wit no experience you are flying a little blind not really ever sure if you're doing it right. Sure there are lots of generic symptoms of our OBEs as guidelines but reading too much into them can hinder progress because your experience of symptoms s might be different from another's and you question if you're doing it right. They experienced the vibrations. Why can't I? I must be doing something wrong.
2  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Exit Symptoms/Signposts on: October 05, 2018, 05:29:14
To me it just sounds like you are not far enough along to try an exit technique. I don't pay much attention to smaller exits symptoms like etheric limbs moving. It just distracts you from the goal here. For me I wait for that clear shift in consciousNess. That is my cue to attempt an exit technique. With practice you just know when it's time. This is why i advocate indirect obe methods first.

My shift in consciousnees feels like an internal whoosh sensation
3  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: HemiSync insanely expensive, only option? on: October 01, 2018, 08:22:58
I have had OBES with Metamusic.  They work just as well as straight hemi-sync. For me I also know that the effect of hemi-sync continues after I stop listening to it for a good while after. Your brain will still be giving off those theta and delta frequencies. When I do a hemi-sync meditation and don't experience an obe during the length of the exercise I will often turn on my side and simply go to sleep and most of time I will then experience an obe at this point.
4  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Focusing On Exit Techniques on: September 22, 2018, 22:16:53
For me the exit technique is not about getting out of body. It's about confirming I am already out of body.

What I mean by this is that the mind does a great job of replicating the physical body when you first move out of body. Sometimes I find i am already out of body but my non-physical body is lying in bed and i am wondering if I'm ever going to get out of body.

I never use exit techniques anytime before being at the the threshold of an OBE. I think a lot of people start employing them too early. I personally never found they help get me to the threshold. They have only helped me over the threshold once I am there. It sounds like you need to work more on relaxing to get to the threshold first. I think actually using an exit technique to relax more deeply is not great either because there is a pressure associated with them. I am actively pushing myself away from the physical and you are constantly wondering if you have made it yet. For me that's not relaxing. It sounds forceful. But that's just my opinion.

I personally would focus on indirect OBEs and get some experience under your belt before going straight for a direct OBE.  That way you'll know more of what an OBE looks and feels like for you.  Once you know that then you won't be constantly analyzing the process when trying for a direct OBE (which is obviously detrimental to the whole process). Instead you'll just let it unfold.
5  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!! on: September 21, 2018, 09:36:09
I resonate a lot with Xanths comments. I originally got into OBEs for purely superficial reasons. It sounded fun. Spiritual materialism got the better of me. But with experience comes a greater understanding of the self and the greater whole we are a part of. I am more in touch with my own divinity. I try to live from a heart centered place. I now go to a metaphysical church and say grace over meals(things I never thought I would do). I know I create my reality and being in a positive, loving, high vibration is paramount to getting the things I desire.

For me it's all part of it. And OBEs are a part of it too but but a small part. I am grateful they helped open my eyes but I no longer feel the need to go gunning after them either. Whenever I go on a TMI retreat, the programs aren't about getting away from the physical.  They are about, first exploring your inner self then taking what you learn and incorporating it to live a fuller life

I am more intuitive and get information from a higher source without the need to go out of body. Sure I still enjoy them when they occur spontaneously in my meditations but they aren't my focus. So, yes I resonate with Xanths comments
6  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: HemiSync insanely expensive, only option? on: September 17, 2018, 22:13:22
Hemi Sync is probably more expensive because of the way they blend the binaural beats and the amount of testing they put into it. Most other stuff I have seen rarely uses more than one binaural beat at a time. Many YouTube ones take you down to alpha for five minutes, then down to theta and wait there for thirty minutes. And that's it. Anyone can do that with Gnaural. I can't speak for things like holo sync. I would be interested to interpret it though.

At TMi they discovered that its usually not enough just taking you down to low theta as it invariably ends up in you falling asleep. So combining a dash of theta with some alpha means you still go down low but you are also staying alert. As an example the later focus levels combine theta with beta. When you get up to the much later levels they use upto about ten binaural beats at one time. But there is definitely a fine line between right and wrong. You can't just throw some frequencies together because in theory they should work.

One thing I will say that I don't yet fully understand is that the carrier signal plays a far bigger role in the effect of binaural beats than I ever knew. It's not just about the beat frequencies itself. There is something profund in deep carrier signals. Which ones, who knows? TMI definitely understands this. All of their later programs mainly use deep carrier signals.

In terms of th expensive cost - there are plenty of hemi-sync titles that aren't expensive. Buy some of the individual ones. Or maybe try their new technology SAM. You can pick up cheap tracks for download from the TmI websites. They also a few free ones on the site, SAM and Hemi-Sync
7  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: New Experiment for the "Collective" Consciousness on: September 17, 2018, 21:48:19
I think we need to get rid of the "over" dramatizations from the media, especially the Weather Network. They used to report the news. Now they are making it. This link shows just that. Caught in the act of over "hyping" the situation.
 https://twitter.com/gourdnibler/status/1040678572262916096

 Yes, the flooding is horrible, It's almost like we need to focus on a giant whirlpool effect to drain the water away. But then that could go badly as well. For now, we should just keep those less fortunate and in need, in our thoughts and prayers!

Agreed. CNN coverage has been horrible. It's all been catatrasphe, devastation, lashing the coast, a Mike Tyson one two. You get the feeling they are smiling as they write it. And when there is optimism they make sure they follow it up with a negative. It's been downgraded to a cat 1 but human suffering is guaranteed. Really? You wonder if they are crossing their fingers as they write it. Just scaremongering at this point. I appreciate that people need to be told this is no joking matter but they are just treating it like a bit of sport. They have definitely contributed to the hurricane being worse through collective consciousness.

Very little is being said about the amazing spirit and community effort that is coming from it. People coming together in amazing ways and helping
8  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: New Experiment for the "Collective" Consciousness on: September 16, 2018, 21:10:29
My wife and I are from Wilmington. We evacuated to Atlanta. Tornadoes and flooding are the big threats now to our homes. Thanks for everyone help. We have also been doing similar things.
9  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Astral Projection and Lucid Dreaming made super easy!! on: September 15, 2018, 03:56:33
But I thought its not a complete OBE until your fully out of your body and walking (or flying) around.
I thought in the dream state you merely hover a few centimeters above your body.

Or do I have that wrong??



Feeling the need to experience stepping out your body for an obe is a physical world hang up. We as humans learn that to get somewhere we have to experience movement because the laws of time and space dictate this. These laws dont exist in the non physical so you dont need to follow them. Once you have more and more obes the need to experience a visceral separation dissipates.
10  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: fasting and astral projection? on: August 03, 2018, 18:44:36
Just got to try it and see what works for you. When I have had a stomach bug in the past and not eaten for a few days I have noticed my visual perceptions were enhanced when I closed my eyes. I remember on the commute to work once I was watching a battle play out. Very un expected.  Although it's debatable was this this the lack of food or the stomach bug itself?

For me a no sugar diet has little to no effect as does being vegetarian. .

The general rule with anythino AP related seemp to be follow the generally suggested guidelines but tweak to make it work for your own body and consciousness.
11  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: frustration! Try try try but I only get close to having an OBE? on: July 31, 2018, 19:51:27

lay down, fall asleep completely without any lucidity and I'm back up in 4-6 hours =(


What time are you practicing? It sounds like at bedtime.

Everyone is different of course but it sounds like you are just starting out so I personally would start by, 1. Cut yourself a break. Don't be so hard on yourself. It can take time. 2. Don't start with a more advanced practice. I would say jumping into a direct OBE method at bedtime is, as a beginner, setting yourself up for failure (I don't want to say impossible as everyone is different but that's a mountain). At bedtime you are highly prone to falling asleep as you've conditioned yourself to do that for the last however many years. Also a direct OBE method can be tricky to achieve without lots of practice. Once you have some experiences under your belt it becomes easier so why not try a simpler indirect approach first? William Buhlman the noted OBE expert spent years practicing through an indirect method first. No shame in it. He only later did a direct method when he was more experienced. It sounds like you are going for gold straight away.

My most successful method is still indirect with results of about 85%. Who cares how you get out? It about the what comes after anyway. My personal approach if I was beginning again would be, do lots of reading around the subject. Mental saturation can be OBE inducing in itself. The only caveat I would add is take what you read with a pinch of salt. Other peoples experiences are not your benchmark. Do your practice at 5am. Listen to some binaural beats (I recommend hemi-sync as the beats are multi-layered). Don't plan to get to any specific state of awareness. Just try to stay awake for now and let the beats change your brainwaves in the background (when I listen at this time I don't notice much of a change). After about 40 mins of listening I stop and simply go to sleep with the intent of having an OBE and invariably I'm brought back to consciousness by an exit symptom and I'm out (that's the hemi-sync having a delayed effect). It can be that simple. Of course, like I mentioned, everyone is different and no one method works for everyone and you need to tweak to your individual needs. Sometimes you may just fall asleep so in that case before I start my practice at 5am I read for 10 minutes on an appropriate subject. If I find I'm too wired during the practice to get sufficiently relaxed then maybe next day I read for 5 minutes prior to the practice rather than 10. You need to find your center.
12  Healing / Welcome to the Healing place! / Re: In need of healing? on: July 26, 2018, 06:34:14
Hey. Good to see you. It has been a while.
13  Healing / Welcome to the Healing place! / In need of healing? on: July 21, 2018, 00:50:16
Hey,

I haven't been on the forum for a long time. Life gets in the way I suppose.

I just wanted to offer remote healing to anyone that is in need. I have been working with healing energies for the last 15 years and just want to offer it to a wider audience.

Send me a PM and I'll let you know more Smiley
14  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Munroe hemi synch cd on: April 17, 2016, 18:39:00
Monroe was doing work on more than just a.p. If you can download some of the old mp3s off torrent sites it only cost some time.

Please do not encourage such practices. The Monroe Institute is really not the big company people think they are. They are a small organization struggling to get by doing good work in the are of consciousness. Have some respect and pay for their products if you want them. While the Gateway Experience may seem expensive there are plenty of cheaper products they offer for download on their website.

Hemi sync works as mentioned above but it is separated from other binaural beat products in one major way. In the early days of it's development Bob Monroe discovered that beaming someone with a low theta signal that borders the sleep delta range would just make people sleep. So they found that a combination of frequencies blended produced better results. So something like focus 10 will have a mix of theta, delta and beta in there to produce a more effective result. But it's not just a random mix. They spent years honing this blend
15  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: How to use 'The Gateway Experience' Hemi-Sync from The Monroe Institute on: September 18, 2015, 21:43:37
TMI now offer an online Gateway Experience course with a personal tutor who is a seasoned residential trainer to guide you through it. Could always try that
16  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Pain in legs during long relaxation on: September 10, 2015, 12:18:18
I get pain in my upper leg a lot when I lie down to meditate. Mine seems different to yours and perhaps has a different source. All down the right side if my right thigh it starts off with a numbness. And I mean a physical numbness and not a trance state numbness. I can touch it and it feels numb (for upto an hour after getting up). With the numbness is a tickling feeling which ultimately turns into sharp stinging pains. Sometimes I have to fold my legs up and it slowly abates.

I personally think mine is energy related. Perhaps trying to make it's way through a blockage.


You could try actively engaging the pain during meditation. Perhaps it is telling you something. Maybe in something like focus 10-12 you could ask a question about it and wait for an answer. I remember skip Atwater at TMI used to be a monitor for people doing booth sessions and they may suddenly get a pain in a part of their body and he would say invite the energy in and ask it it's purpose. Maybe your resistance to it is prolonging it. Perhaps inviting the pain in would help. Of course if it's just physical pain this may not help but worth thinking about
17  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: An excellent essay on focus 10 on: September 08, 2015, 12:23:59
Did Fred used to be a member here? I know he has a good OBE book available. I'm assuming he has ties with TMI as I've seen that book in their bookstore.

18  Energy Body and The Chakras / Welcome to Energy Body and The Chakras / Re: Fasting and Energetic Development on: September 06, 2015, 16:19:30
As I understand it it is simply the amount of energy you use to break foods down which inhibits your energy work progress. So as Robert Bruce discusses raising kundalini he advises maybe a three day fast so you can dedicate as much energy as possible to the act of raising kundalini itself. For this particular practice fasting is also advised because your system will go into fight/flight response and purge itself. Not good with a full meal inside you. Things get messy quickly

You could try a half way house go on raw food for a while. I think the logic is that ordinarily your stomach uses up energy to create enzymes to breakdown your food but because raw food already contains lots of enzymes then your stomach has to do a lot less work thus saving your energies. When you heat food over a certain temperature you kill all the enzymes
19  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Shivers when getting bad vibes from someone on: August 29, 2015, 02:27:58
Around certain people I intuit are not good people I get a dizzying feeling akin to being in a lift suddenly moving up or down. That internal fuzziness in your brain that almost unbalances you
20  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: My Orb Video (or maybe My flying bug video) on: August 24, 2015, 12:17:53
This was shot in my CHEC unit looking up at the ceiling. The light source is just the phone flash but I keep adjusting light levels by putting my finger over the flash to spread the light. In the video description I point out that my initial thoughts were dust but a few things changed my mind. Szaxx, you are right in that there are lots of peculiar movements and I do recommend rewatching at half speed. There are 90 and 360 degree turns. At around 1minute in it all goes crazy with them popping into shot then ducking out then suddenly they all bomb into shot. Very unusual behavior.

Further, I did dust tests by patting the bedding and it didn't have much effect. But also I filmed this in the middle of the night. Most dust should have settled by then and this unit is confined. I have tried repeating the process at home. My room is very dusty and I don't get anything

Definitely not bugs as I checked multiple times with the light on. Sleeping with that many bugs in a confined space is something I would notice.
21  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / My Orb Video (or maybe My flying bug video) on: August 24, 2015, 01:01:52
Here's what I filmed in my CHEC unit after a week spent in focus 49 at TMI. I'm still undecided so you be the judge. I've discounted bugs so maybe dust? But for me some of the movements have intelligence...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJIvd5EoOn4
22  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Souly for Retrievals! on: August 22, 2015, 11:53:41
I've done a number of TMI programs, including Lifeline, and your experience resonates strongly. It seems to me that you had guidance right there with you whether it was visible or not given the nature of the way everything fell neatly into place and suddenly you were docking - which evidently was focus 27. The hospital and the park being the big giveaway.

I would say in future ones (which tend to be harder as guidance gives you more of a challenge), you can always mentally ask guidance what to do and they will assist in some way. It's clear they took you up to 27 in this one. It might be worth trying to start off in focus 27 as well when you intend to do a retrieval. That way when you make the trip to 23 you know how it feels making it easier to move back to. 27 without guidance. If you do decide to start in 27 it's also good to have an anchor point. At lifeline you are encouraged to create a special place so when in 23 you can easily bring people back up by thinking of your special place( I have a jetty on a small lake in a forest). Also, I think starting in 27 you are more like to visually have a guide with you (rather than invisible in the background) because 27 is a gathering point of such individuals.
23  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Finally projected again! Is my method hindering progress? on: July 19, 2015, 00:22:14
If I am trying for the more traditional OBE this is the method I use as well. I listen to a focus 12 exercise for about forty minutes but stop it before it brings you back down to C1 then turn on my side and just go to sleep. I reckon about 80% of the time now I have an OBE like this. Obviously it has taken some time to get the percentage higher but your subconscious mind gets used to the process and it wakes you for the good stuff more regularly. I think these are beta and gamma spikes that bring your awareness back which is why hemi-sync is better for this because it mixes beta in with he lower theta and delta it uses .

I used to think this method was a cop out as well because you don't feel like you're initiating it yourself but but can't argue with the stats. And don't forget leading OBE expert William buhlman used this method for years.
24  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: All most got it ? on: July 04, 2015, 01:29:02
No worries, my friend. I did say maybe I'm wrong in my assumption of your words. We can only all speak of our own experiences. And ultimately the only person we need to convince is ourselves. You don't need to justify yourself. I know who you are  wink

I think the problem with this whole topic of discussing consciousness exploration in forums is we are all battling to make the subjective objective as peoples unique experiences create divergent paradigms. And I don't think any two will be the same.
25  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: All most got it ? on: July 03, 2015, 14:30:27
I kind of disagree with you guys. Personally, I feel that judging an experience based on the five senses is very much a physical world hang up. I've had some of my most meaningful experiences which were purely emotionally and mentally based.

I know it's not exactly what you guys said. You talk about whether it's astral projection rather than an important experience but I get the impression you're devaluing your lucid dreams. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you get nothing out of your lucid dreams but isn't that mindset a guarantee you never will?
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