Nice to see you are still around Mustardseed!
Happy new year to you!

as the majority of those who believe themselves to be harbingers of the truth and doomsday hope... are mislead by greek pagan though styles and catholic twists to the truth concerning God(the Soul of God), Jesus(the Flesh of God), and the Holy Ghost(the Core or Spirit of God).
Indigo_


Bollocks!
You wouldnt have any 'theology' (a greek word) or indeed any concept of the 'threefold divinity' that you just described above without the direct influence of 'greek pagan thought'. It is 'greek pagan thought' that allowed the formulation of the theory of the trinity in the first place, a direct influence of neo-platonist thought, which was VERY influential in early christian theology.. as i said, you wouldnt have the concept of the trinity without it.

Neo-platonism was a key means that early christian writers used to formulate christian theology, mainly due to the fact that most christian writers had been neo-platonists before they converted, Augustine being one example. They carried over all the best parts of neo-platonism when they converted and used many elements of it in their exploration of a new christian theology.
The concept of the trinity came about in the 3rd century ad, as a direct result of this.


Try studying the early history of christianity before coming out with mis-informed statements.


Doug

PS I had to make the same point earlier to a muslim poster who was claiming that Islam had noting to do with western ideas, based on 'pagan philosophers like aristotle and plato'.
I had to tell him that islam, like late judaism and christianity before it, owes a hell of a lot to hellenistic thought; islam being the most recent thought system to emerge from this vast melting pot.

Excellent description of the akashic record!

It is quite common to perceive it as a library complete with scrolls and/or books.

A way for the mind to grasp it i suppose.

Next time see if you can lay your hands on any of the books there!

Doug

I had a very odd lucid dream the other night.

I became lucid and found myself surrounded in white light, or perhaps a variety of lights.

I was being lectured to by a disembodied voice about how I was only one of a multitude of different versions of 'me' i.e. other 'focuses' of me in different time-lines and periods.

The voice was telling how all these other 'me's were indeed me but simply living other lives *simultaneously*, which gels with Frank's recent findings as well as the Seth books, although I haven't read the later as yet.

I was told how eventually, all these other versions of 'me' including myself will eventually come into 'full awareness' of my total self, or what is being called 'focus 4', although only when I am completely ready to do so, at my own pace.
I was given the option of trying this out temporarily myself there and then, but even in my partially lucid state, I felt too apprehensive about going that far so resisted the urge, as it is a pretty far out experience from what Frank was describing, and that may be the biggest understatement in history.

However, I do get the feeling that I will be ready to do this one day in the not to distant future and I am planning to work towards that goal.

During the experience I did feel I was becoming aware of the multitude of other 'me's out there, even if only faintly. I guess that in the complete focus 4 state, you are aware of all your myriad lives here as well as elsewhere.



Talking of multiple lives, this re-interpretation of re-incarnation, where although we do indeed have multiple lives, they are experienced at the same time rather than sequentially, is quite something to get my head round, although it is starting to make more sense.

In my view this doesn’t take any value away from past life regression therapy, as I believe it is indeed possible to access all your other lives, even although they are happening simultaneously, due to the fact that the regression takes you to a point in null time, or the part of you that resides outside of space-time, where although you are still living these lives, you can still review them all from start to finish. Due to this strange effect, I still think it is possible for events in other lives to affect us in this life, particularly if it is some kind of traumatic event; for this to happen there has to be some kind of (still unknown) close connection that links your 'current' life with that other one, allowing this bleed-through to occur.

Past life regression and therapy is still valuable in my view, in order to resolve some of these issues, even if I disagree with the therapist's view on the actual mechanics of how multiple lives work in practice.

Doug

This is why it is so important to practice getting into the astral from a fully awake state. Having 100% of your awareness intact rather than 90% or even 99% makes a BIG difference.

I am constantly frustrated by that niggling missing 1% which is always lost when getting into the astral via a dream, which means i forget to do what seems totally obvious to me the rest of the time, resulting in lost opportunities.

Doug

However ID should still be struck down for the sham it is. While in its current guise it does NOT mention god or jesus, it is now well known from recovery of documents from important religious organisations in the US, that there is a project by fundamentalists to try to foster support by promoting ID. The plan is to start off by leaving it open as to who is responsible for ID, ie aliens etc... then the next stage, once ID is accepted, is to move to the stage of promoting the idea that god, and jesus are responsible, basically the biblical creation story would be the end result..

personally, i cannot believe the US is actually debating this nonsense, but this kind of backwards thinking is a very real threat to progress in todays world and parallels the islamic fundamentalist nonsense in the middle east.

Religious fundamentialism is the single biggest threat to the modern world, be it islamic or christian fundamentalism, both of which strike at the heart of modern civilisation and progress.

I think christian fundamentalism is actually more dangerous, because it already has wide support in the so called 'civilised' world.

Doug

nickjk_

sorry man, seems like you have completely missed the point of my post...


Doug

may i also add that the Mormons teachings has always been changing compared to the bible has never changed and is everlasting

wrong I'm afraid, as any biblical (non-fundamentalist) scholar will tell you. Christian teaching has developed over time, just as any religion does, it did not emerge complete out of stone with no further room for debate and development.  Indeed christian theology has been in a steady state of development since its inception. Perhaps the core materials have not changed but their interpretation has changed *very much so!!!*


The very tone of the title of your post 'christianity *vs* mormonism' says everything about where you are coming from really: The usual confrontational stance which cannot accept any other interpretation or belief that differs from you own. Who says it has to be 'vs' anything or anyone. be happy with your beliefs and let mormons have theirs.

You are hardly going to convert anyone round here to your point of view with your sectarian rant in anycase.

Doug

PS I also don't think much of your narrow interpretation of your 'loving' god who may or may not condemn people to hell because they have picked the wrong version of christianity or any other belief.... seriously, do you *actually* believe this?  That worries me!

United Kingdom:

Gay marriages (under the guise of 'civil partnerships') became legal today (tuesday, 20th december), with Scotland's first sanctioned gay marriage, held in the Capital's historic Edinburgh Castle this afternoon.

Gay marriages became legal in Scotland a day earlier than the law for England, which will come into effect the following day, on wednesday, 21st.

story and video clip:

http://scotlandtoday.scottishtv.co.uk/content/default.asp?page=s1_1_1&newsid=9925&newsType=

happy what most people consider to be Jesus Christs birthday. yes that's right, i said Jesus Christ, I'm being politically incorrect.

Another fool who has missed the point...

 

Doug

because its fun and a time to be with friends and family and to celebrate and share in that common bond of humanity.

for me, that is what christmas is REALLY about, for me that is the TRUE meaning of christmas, I don't dig the religious, christian stuff at all and that has no part in it for me, apart form the magic of the nativity story, which i love and consider one of my favourite fables.

But for those who do dig the christian, religious angle, I have no problem, each to their own, and i fully support them.  I don't see what you mean about 'lots of anti-christian stuff  here'.

Not that I've seen. We were only discussing the pagan origins of christmas and how present day pagans and other non christians can still celebrate this time of year as well as christians. the 'anti christian' stuff you see must be a projection of your own issues.

Doug

Exactly Mrs Murphy!

There is simply no way round the fact that Saturnalia remains the closest influence on our modern celebration of christmas, it is not just a 'similarity', it is a direct historical continuation of the pagan festival.

I'm sorry if Astralborn is challenged by the word 'pagan' but that is exactly what it was, and I don't see any valid reason to use any other word.
I think that some people may be getting mixed up with the modern religion of Wicca, which is neo-pagan. Also remember that neo-paganism itself is more of an umbrella term for many different belief systems, not just Wicca which is the most popular one. So you may not be aware of earlier pagan traditions and of Classical pagan religion.

The anglo-saxon (old english) 'Yule', basically their own end of year festival, is also a lesser but still important influence; from that you get the 12 days of christmas, although Saturnalia also ran for several days, typically 7, and of course from Yule you get the 'Yule log' and yuletide.

We're dealing with history here folks.

Doug

I will assume that the last post was a sad attempt at a flame and ignore it; I'm sorry you feel challenged by a bit of education.

As I and others here have said, nobody is seriously trying to diminish the christian aspect of christmas: after all, it is that aspect which has given the winter festival its modern name and ensured its survival into the modern age, although I'm sure it would have continued in some form anyway, with or without christianity's help. Christians should and will continue to celebrate their god at this time of year and good on 'em!

What I am saying however, is that the firm pagan roots of the festival also mean that non-christians can and do get just as much out of it, perhaps more, as they don't have guilt issues about having too much of a good time!

I may not be christian and I sometimes get irritated by the crass over-commercialisation of this time of year, but I really do love christmas!

Doug

PS while we are at it, I love all the traditional carols and christmas songs! Silent Night  for example, I find that one really magical as it captures the magic of the nativity story, which I love. You see, I don't feel personally threatened just because elements of other belief systems enter my radar.

lets not get into that arena.. all these 'prophets', jesus included, have done some questionable things from our modern viewpoint (according to the sources anyway). Jesus advocated giving away all possessions and even advocated in one passage that people leave their families to join him, which is why I always find it funny when christians go on about family values: Jesus of the sources only seemed to advocate the family when it suited him.

Basically what i am saying is that if you look through any religious text you will find things that are questionable.
What you have to remember is that values change over time and what is fine at one point might not be later on.

ie the marrying young girls was VERY common practice in the middle-ages, in order to ensure that your wife does not give away her chastity to another man, for this reason, the younger they were married off the better. This was normal practice throughout Christian Europe as well as the east. Get some history lessons!

Also we have to remember that we have to take everything we read in sacred texts with a pinch of salt anyway as they are written by men, not god, but that's a different story!

No paganism is not bad at all. However you will get some bad pagans, just as you get some bad christians, or hindus or athiests etc

Modern neo-Paganism has a lot going for it. Please do not accept the 'paganism=satanism' false association used by fundamentalist christians, it should be obvious that they have their own agenda.

Modern neo-paganism is a very ethically and ecologically aware belief system and its respect for nature and all living things within the natural world is a value set  that everyone should take account of.

Doug