Hey Mydral,

Well as long as you can handle it....

Once you cross a certain line you will understand what I meant, but then its to late for you. Just think of everything overlapping and you being unable to tell what was a dream and what really happened. Now thats going to be lots of fun... 

I'm handling it quite well so far thanks, and am far from not seeing the difference between a dream and physical reality. I don't see the difference in the FEELINGS of these experiences and the importance of them.

And btw I never said your dreams etc. are worthless, as long as you accept that they didn't happen in the physical reality.

well, this is a quote from your previous post:

only the experience which you will receive from external stimuli in the physical reality will count

I know you are referring to all strange experiences, but dreams don't come from external stimuli in the physical reality, so following your path of think they're quite worthless. I also understand from the quote, that if I refuse to accept that they are "just dreams" they will have no meaning. What about mental projections? - they can be easily put in the category of "just imagination", yet the method works for many and is quite easily validatable in the physical reality as a "true -real" experience...so what is the difference between this and me fantasizing about riding a horse?

Kirlian photography is something in our reality... I can see phantom images if I want to. But thats beside the point.

It's not beside the point...Kirlian photography is a proof that the other dimencions are coexisting with physical reality-just like imagination is. And none of these dimencions is more important than the other. Phantom images are not physical reality, yet you seem to count them in as "ok"...hmm....

I can't explain what I wanted to say properly to you since you just mock me.

You have all the space and time to say properly what you want.
I'm not mocking you - at least it's not my intention, sorry if you perceive it like that. I quoted you Monroe with honest intentions, but I guess I was misunderstood.I understand that you're very rational, although I'm scanning through your posts, and agree with many of your opinions and can't really manage to put together the fact that you believe(and practice) aura seeing, OBE...etc. and say that experiences during "imagining" are worthless...
Maybe it's the difference in understanding the word "physical reality" - I understand it as solid, material reality on planet earth - 3rd dimencion...how do you?

All the best


ps.Thanks Nay...I'll pass.. 

and it feels really nice knowing I'm not the only one going through this 

Thank YOU SiverSlider! Yes, it does feel nice to know I'm not the only one going through this 

Not exactly... physical reality stays unchanged with respects to laws, appearance, etc. The thing changeable are situations in which you are involved since we have the power of choice.You can imagine yourself acting to certain things in a certain way and then do that or you can give yourself positive thoughts which might actually change the outcome of an event but thats it. You cannot imagine an object appearing and it will appear for example.

I have experienced myself, and know people who first put a lot of intention into their "imagination" and managing to manifest their "imagination" in physical reality.  The power of intention. Attracting people you want to attract, situations, events, job, money...etc.Yes, objects - visualization is a very powerful tool in terms of accomplishing your goals.

 Secondly if you merge imagination with reality you might developer emotions because of what your imagining, which is a really bad thing. For example if you imagine doing a crime and feel guilt about it....

Oh! That is really really bad   yikes!!! I better not imagine galloping on horses through green fields or being happily in love because I might experience some severe positive emotions, which will make me feel really good...and oh jee...I better not do that and stick to this wonderful physical reality we have here on earth...it's just so positive I can't get enough of it  

You have to keep imagination and reality separated, they are different. Imagination tries to mimic physical reality until you make a conscious decision against this. In both cases you have to accept that what you imagined isn't the real thing. In the first case only the experience which you will receive from external stimuli in the physical reality will count and the second case doesn't exist in physical reality.

First of all -  I don't HAVE to do anything.
Second - I don't see any reason to keep them separated as long as I'm sane,happy, have a job, pay taxes and good friends and people to talk to.
Third - Actually...it's the physical reality mimicking the etherical, as for 3rd dimension is a lot more dense than lets say 4th (where most dreams/ imagination come from) a good example is Kirlian photography (http://www.totse.com/en/fringe/fringe_science/kirilia.html "If portions of the physical body are cut away, the energy matrix or "phantom" of the missing part is still clearly visible in the photograph, although there is no tangible, physical substance there." Also, any healer, aura reader, will tell you that an illness can appear in the energy field weeks and even months before it appears in the physical body ( great book, Vibrational Medicine, Dr. Richard Gerber, "The etheric body is a holographic energy template that guides the growth and development of the physical body." )

only the experience which you will receive from external stimuli in the physical reality will count .

I simply cannot agree with that because it means that all dreams, visions, obe's through which I gather very useful and practical information to use in my physical reality are worthless. And hey, I'm not the only one! Ask any artist or genius where he gets his information from...surely not from a book - everything appears first in the higher realms and then is manifested in the dense 3D reality.

Don't think this is true? Please imagine doing your favorite activity, it will not be as satisfying as the real thing.

No, I don't think it's true - I often receive a lot more satisfaction imagining the action than actually doing it in the physical   Really!

To actually feel it completely you have to do it in the physical reality.

Wow!!!!???

Now imagine flying, feel the rush of the wind etc. have fun with this imagination. Now stop and realize that you can't do it and feel the frustration. If you would accept the imagination as reality you might jump from a building thinking you can fly..... some children actually did that.

I don't get frustrated because I know I can fly in other realities than the physical...actually it's simpler than walking!
I won't jump from a building because I understand the laws and limits of this reality.

Oh well, I'll start giggling too....
No point in battling with rationality... 
Good luck with everything...

To finish I have a quote by Robert Monroe which I'd like to dedicate to you Mydral from the very bottom of my heart ... honestly

" For those who die, there is life.
  For those who dream, there is a reality.
  For those who have hope, there is knowledge.
  For those who explore, there is eternity."

hey Ernys!
Being fat because of karma is possible. But we can't keep on blaming everything on karma...let's give her some rest and get some facts 
First of all you are fat because you eat too much. You weren't born fat right?
Second -  ask yourself - why are you eating too much?
I've had lots of serious issues with food in the past and know two things: overeating is re compensating...you name it: lack of love,lack of support, lack of entertainment, lack of relaxation...and so. Or it's numbing yourself from feelings you don't want to experience: hunger for love, hunger for affection and attention, fear, loneliness, anger... When you look at it honestly, you'll see that food is like a drug. I wish you courage to ask yourself honest questions and start from there. It isn't you being fat which is the problem. the reason why you are fat is the issue.

i know i can start losing weight, if i can learn to accept and love those around me with the same problem,

No, Ernys,- you'll start loosing weight if you ACCEPT yourself with this problem. Why are fat people getting on your nerves? Because they reflect the side of you which you don't agree to see. Have the courage to listen to what your soul is trying to tell you and what you don't want to hear. When you get through that low GI index+blood type diet does wonders 

All the best

Thank you DH for the warm words. I really appreciate you having any use of this 

Hey DH!
This is not MY callendar  I's the calendar based on the sacred Tzolkin calendar (http://www.lawoftime.org/). I get the information from the website http://www.maya.net.pl/index.php?LANG=en there is a free e-book from which you can get with loads of info. The website is mostly polish so I translate most of the stuff  from the 2 books ("I am the other you" - you can buy them in english on the website) which allow you to navigate through the labirinths of time I really wish there was some other explanation for the energies and themes I feel during these waves...but I can't really find anything as good as the maya callendar  I'm hoping to have more free time so that I can put up some info on calculating your personal months...THAT is really something. Thank you for the positive feedback guys, I've been considering quitting putting it up, but oh well...I guess I'll continue it a little bit longer...

In the meantime, kin of today:

KIN 237 - Red Electric Earth

"Today life tests the usefulness of my ideas and puts my feet firmly back on Earth if needed. My nearest surroundings are my road sign. Today no setback disappoints me, and in failure I see a chance to show my abilities in a different area. All that I give rise to and that denigrates other people comes back to me. Today I revise my plans; I'm not selfish and don't hurt other people's feelings."

All the best

"Now is the best time to decide about your own fate"

The power of vision - the power of consciousness

Next 13 days will be under the motto:

KIN 235 - Blue Magnetic Eagle

By not having my own visions, I become the executioner of other people's ideas. I am not helpless today and steer my own life by using the eyes of my soul for vision. Healing the world begins with myself. Today I clean up my own back yard and only after that I peak into the homes of my friends, acquaintances, to finally recall the addresses of my enemies. Today I am permeated by the Higher Consciousness.

wisdom of the light of the eagle:
consciousness of the goal, groupwork, will of creating, new perspectives, distance, flow, satisfaction, chance, hope, compassion, help, dreams and visions, self belief, vision of the future.

wisdom of the shadow of the eagle:
emptiness, lack of hope, lack of initiative, not having own opinions, immobility, samartynian syndrome, being constantly ready to help the oppressed, officiousness, addiction.

transformation of the shadow:
Learn to find balance between work, rest, sleep, and nutrition. Think about yourself! Follow your personal visions, plans and dreams. Look at your plans and promisses given to others from a higher perspective, which is keeping balance. Learn to give and to receive. Are you carrying someone else's load? Do you hear the magic word "thank you"?

No being can live without dreams. Every human needs a vision of their goal, so that they can clear up the chaos of everyday life. When we lack visions, we start running after illusions. In some cases lack of vision means being addicted to others. You become "food" for the stronger and loose your integrity. Days of the Eagle bring consciousness of the individual goal. MEN (Eagle) opens canals of visions, through which consciousness of a mature being connects with higher dimensions. This person stops worrying about details, worrying about the future, pointlessly speculating. Wisdom of the eagle will bring brilliant solutions.

There is a difference of realness between them. There is phsyical reality and there are other realities. You cannot say that something that you imagined is as real as something that acctually happened to you.
Whatever you do spiritually you have to stay grounded in the physical reality and accept that as your current "home" so to say. That should be rule number 1.

Hey Mydral,
Staying grounded is an obvious rule no 1.
Rule no 2 is that the physical reality is just one of the realities we experience.
Apart from that, I'd love to hear your definition of what is imagination and what is reality... 

 Interesting. How can one tell the difference between imagination and reality? What is imagination? What is reality? The older I get the more these boundaries seem to dissolve. Recently I've realized that I can experience situations in my "imagination", and therefore I don't have the need of experiencing them in the physical reality. I'm thrilled! What a time saver. Is it a "worse" experience since I lived it on a different level?
So one can say...yeah but how do you know that what you have experienced is the same as the "real" experience. I say: WHO CARES?? An experience is an experience whether it's a fantasy, a dream or an OBE. Personally I really don't see the difference and maybe I'm just really naive since I believe that all people on OBE forums are aware that we are multidimentional at ALL times...oh well

hey Sorrow! Welcome  Make sure you check out the FAQ and Permanent topics section...they are full of helpful information. Good luck 

 I'd just like to say 2 things:

1. Ernys  - You can do it!!!!! I'm keeping me fingers crossed for you and wish you the best...seriously 
2. To Ernys and all experiencing similar:
 Don't give up exploring. Stay brave and kool. Looking back at myself when I was a teen I kind of regret that there was no internet, no forums where I could have freely shared my experiences. Lack of understanding created fear that eventually ate me up. Now at almost 29 I'm trying to get back to experiencing the similar sensitivity Ernys is describing. It's bloody difficult and I know I might have lost it for good. Oh well, so I guess that is what I chose. Thankfully there is a new generation of people on this planet, which seems bolder and wiser than my generation, and I'm absolutley fascinated by this phenomenon. It's really beautiful. So, young explores...keep your heads up high, speak your truth and have the courage to explore what the earlier generations couldn't.
All the best

The power of the spirit - power of inspiration - power of communication.

Now is the best time to create inner discipline.

The next 13 days will be under the motto:

I have to overcome todays difficulties with the power of my spirit. If I'll hold back, "cancerous zones" will appear in my life. Tensions, problems, the feeling of being separated or the feeling of loosing someone close are all part of my journey. There is no punishment for sins. All faulty actions come back to me, in order to be corrected, in one way or another. Today I will clear up issues over which I have lost control. Life is challenging me to check up on my individuality. God is always watching over me.

The wisdom of the light of the Wind:

Power of the spirit, inspiration, now, truth, simplicity, vitality, spontaneity, communication, inner balance, discipline, self discipline, friendliness.

The wisdom of the shadow of the Wind:
Lack of faith, feeling of lack of connection with God, feelins of separation, loneliness, feelings of not bonding with people, complexes, low self esteem.

This wave is the last white wave in the Tzolkin calendar - it brings final polishes, concentrating on the details. Once again, you might experience sudden cuts and pinches - all as a sign of the last correction.
The white wind brings the primary order, with all the healing programs included.
During the days of the wind you will be double checked to what degree is your Ego disrupting the realization of the program that your soul chose. In a painful way you'll be shown all lacks of discipline,  dishonesty, underestimating yourself.
Those who who evolved spiritually will experience the power of their spiritual maturity, which will not only "spiritualize" their material world, but will also show a way out of everyday chaos.

More on www.maya.net.pl

Alright, let's continue.

Red Moon (Muluc)
Power of cleansing - power of waking up - power of remembrance


The wisdom of the light of the moon:
Waking up, remembrance, mistic wisdom, true identity, signs, power of cleansing, moving on, process, changing points of view, regulation of life processes, getting accustomed to life.

The wisdom of the shadow of the moon:
Lack of sense, feeling "down", feeling lost, negative affirmations, illusionary peace, blockades, stubbornness, pride, antipathy toward life, ignoring warning styles given by life, stagnation, pain and suffering, supressing divine light, fanaticism.

transformation of the shadow;
Wake up. Open your eyes. Concentrate on your inner self. Look at new trends. Become a lighthouse. Look for those, who fully accept your way of expressing.Stop fighting. Trust natural processes.

During this wave is "the best time to find out what is the sense of your life"

The energy of the moon is an energy that breaks blockages and stagnation. Muluc is responsible for free flow and openness of all canals. In order to break or dissolve the blockages, the energy of the moon has to maximize it's pressure so that it can break through. Days of Muluc are very dynamic with lots of changes, because MOVEMENT ensures free flow and moves unwanted "debris". Muluc gets rid of "dust", cleaning old layers from the field of subconsciousness. Try letting go of negative affirmations, pessimism, seeing the world in dark colours before the red moon will walk in with it's corrections.

The power of the moon painfully forces us to look at our own shadows. It only wants us stop feeling sorry for ourselves, feeling being a victim, feeling that life and people don't treat us fair.

During this wave you will see more clearly your true identity and each miscourse on your life path. Have the courage to remember your true self! It's a paradox, but we people learn better and faster when we feel pain. This is why this wave might bring painful cuts and and unexpected life changes. try to look at these incidents with an open mind and without judging.

For those who are in good relation with their inner self days of the moon will run smoothly, everything turns out well as if with the use of a magic wand.

.....
based on information from www.maya.net.pl
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I wonder what information was being shown to you during the 4 first days of the wave.

During the first day I found out that a huge building is going to be build in front of my wonderful flat's windows..blocking the view completely.
On the second day I loose my wallet with everything in it and decide to sell the flat.
On the third day some wonderful people find my wallet on the street and give it back. I have doubts about selling the flat and moving. An old friend who is a numerologist decides to pop in to my city and stays over.
On the fourth day I very sure I'm selling the flat. The numerologist friend freaks out when sees my signature, so makes a new one for me. Now I can use it all the time because all my credit cards will be new since I had to get new ones (because of the lost wallet) and there won't be a hassle with changing the signature.

These changes don't shock me so much as for I'm a red moon ( so most of my life is about sudden changes), and this year I have a personal year in red moon,  a global year in red moon (like everyone) and during the last wave of the moon I had the hugest wake up call in my life. It was extreme, but thanks to it I progressed light years forward. I just love this energy. Enough with this personal blable.

All the best

Oh boy....I just spent an hour writing the information and it all got deleted.
hmm...sorry...I don't have the strength to write it all again now...

just 2 cents for now

During the next 13 days and THIS ENTIRE YEAR (from July the 26th 2006 - July 25th 2007- we're currently during the 10th month) the motto is:

KIN 209 - Red Magnetic Moon

My blood symbolizes the TRUTH or the MEMORY of PARADISE. Today I organize the chaos in the current issues and then move on to address the issues in the past. All that is dispersed, I arrange together to learn the current status. I know much toil awaits me. By cleaning away the deposits I may aggravate old wounds, but I want to know the truth regardless of the repercussions. Today I do away with complaining and negative affirmations.

The Red Moon symbolizes :
power of cleansing - power of waking up- power of remembrance
The Red moon brings out the "dust" of our past that needs to be cleaned up.

I have an idea!...let's do an experiment. I will write the rest in 4 days ( after the time of attracting subjects has finished). Then you can objectively see if this whole calendar is making any sense...

1st day of the wave attracts issues that you'll be dealing with during the next 13 days in the field of spirituality.
2nd day attracts issues that we'll be working on the physical level.
3rd day attracts emotional issues. On this day you should also find out how you'll be dealing with the subjects of the first 2 days (what tools?)
4th day sums up the issues we'll be working with (mental sphere). We work on the plan, set goals, enter the battlefield.

Good luck!!!

Hey SilverSlider,
Yes, the hardest part for me is understanding fully the fact that all of us chose to be here and experience all the positive and negative aspects of life.

take care