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501  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Is this focus 10? on: April 07, 2004, 10:06:30
many thanks nezabaleta for the wise words;)!
502  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Is this focus 10? on: April 06, 2004, 21:37:40
dang!
coldness is one of the signs of reaching focus 10???..I've been practising with the Gateway experience for nearly 2 years, and very often feel the coldness...I even thought that it's a negative entity...(heh...you can see now how relaxed - not I am;))...anyways, lately the coldness has become so severe that i almost have to stop the practise and put on another blanket....which ofcourse gets me out of the mood automaticly..
what shold I do in case of freezing to death in Focus 10?Huh
503  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Recent Reality Shifts on: April 06, 2004, 19:44:09
hi,
all I can say is that I have reality shifts like this all the time..( but dunno if they really reality shifts). I always joke that I never loose things...and it's a fact...whenever I can't find something, but i KNOW that it was laying in some place, I just say out loud.."come on give it back!!!, it's not funny"..and I can guarantee you that I'll find it somewhere within 2 days...maybe in some other abstract place...but I find it. Also, I often look for something, go away somewhere for 5 min, come back and it's laying THERE...exactly where I looked..(no I'm not partially blind;)) I strongly believe that one of my guides is responsible for this..( still haven't met him, but when I will.....!!! lol..)I think that Mr. Moen wrote in one of his books that he met one of his guides , who was responsible for the "jokes"...too bad sometimes they get very nasty....
504  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Those freakky sounds on the way out! on: February 28, 2004, 09:00:19
hi,
I've always been hearing tons of different sounds just before leaving the body..(actually that's one of the ways thanks to which I know I'm out;))...on the beginning the sound was so horrible (loud+distracting) that i thought my ears would explode!!!They were really painfull!!..I started begging, or sometimes yelling at my guides to do something with the sound...throughout the years it started changing...I went through the "radio station' stage, the "dentist"stage. the"boeing 727" stage...you name it I've heard it...no thankfully the sound is 1000 times more delicate...something like a bell. I also had obe where the screeech sound changed into music...this was very amazing..because the music was very beautiful, and there was some singing...in both languages that I speak...once this angel music modified and there was this massive attack - tori amos music....very fun, not as good as in the physical reality though;)))
I guess my guides still have to practise with their astral tunes;)))
505  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Burning hands on: February 28, 2004, 08:49:31
oh thank you so much Stargazer!!!!...thanks to you i can't wait till I get the feeling again[Wink]
millions of thanks[Wink]
506  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / OBEs and AntiDepressants on: February 24, 2004, 10:25:24
Hi,
I took prozac for a year. Yes, all my problems were gone with a snap of a finger. My obe dissapeared completely. I was mrs. perfect for a year until I noticed that I've become a totally emotionless person. I didn't want to cheat myself anymore. My soul was trying to say to me and i made it shut up, by swallowing a mirracle pill every morning. I quit the drug. I'm not a machine. My body and soul communicates with me and I should do my best to try to hear the calls  . My depression came back imedieately, I started doing regular psychotherapy, which has helped me a lot with the other problem I was battling with. I'm always depressed, but now I know why. Thanks to spiritual development and psychotherapy I am more aware of myself. I don't want to walk through life blind with a smile on my face and a pill between my teeth..( for which there are still no known long term side effects by the way..)...
I'd rather be depressed, but walk through life conciously.

this is my story.

Manuel, I totally agree with your point of view.

Lifebreath - hmmm...did you give your ego a good boost by asking Manuel to describe p450 cytochrome metabolic pathways in detail?? well, that's exactly what it seems like...quite sad, that such spiritual and inteligent people, can't handle a regular conversation, but instead they try to show off their power in such an infantile way..my son uses the same trick in kindergarden..
too bad, because the topic " lies of medical organizations ( and many others)" is a very ineresting one. Of course only to those who are aware of the fact that some people might have different points of views and different beliefs, and that this word is not only black and white, and has many other shades that are being hidden from us.
the first one 9nexus) is my absolute number 1.
Check it out Lifebreath, I'm sure you'll find someone in these sites to talk to about p450 cytochrome metabolic pathways ( in detail) , since probably most of us are not worthy...( myself included).

http://www.nexusmagazine.com
http://www.stopshrinks.org/reading_room/frame_docs/outstand.html
http://www.medicine-book.com/Your_Drug_May_Be_Your_Problem_How_and_Why_to_Stop_Taking_Psychiatric_Medications_0738203483.html
http://www.breggin.com/ritalin.html
http://www.namiscc.org/News/2002/Summer/NoMiracleDrug.htm


I found this on the Psyhic defence forum. it's about schizophrenia...but is also related to depression in away..

from kiauma..(btw..many thanks)

Bottom line, how you explain these experiences is tied directly to the paradime of your perception, whether spiritual, mental, or physical.  There is a growing underground psychological movement to identify these experiences of fragmentation and eventual larger integration of the self as part of a natural human process.  Unfortunately, the insurance industry, which largely controls the psychological industry in America, sees no need to spend the necessary money on the 'care' and understanding required to see the process through, when some cheap pills can seemingly make the 'symptoms' magically go away.

Here are some more sites:
http://www.global-vision.org/interview/perry.html
http://members.tripod.com/more_couteau/psychosis.htm
http://www.virtualcs.com/se/experiences.html
http://www.global-vision.org/dream/index.html
http://www.jungcircle.com/roberts2.html
http://www.gurdjieff.org/

507  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Burning hands on: February 24, 2004, 08:17:21
thanks everyone for the help...no it won't discourage me from doing the Gateway, it's just that it hurts so much...aghh...
findtruth - Gateway Experience - www.monroeinstitute.com - + there are tons of info about it on the Astral Pulse forums...maybe look around because it's hard to explain it in just a few words...+ I don't want to omit anything..
thanks again[Wink]
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