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1  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: mind silence on: December 29, 2008, 23:50:35
hi iv been having so much trouble with my brain

SNIP

 but no matter what, images appear on my mind and i  end up trailing off.and im yet to experience a.p.

The images are there because you put them there. They are the subconscious baggage you need to sort out so to speak.
My suggestion is to observe and learn.

2cents & L&L
jouni
2  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Cold sensation after meditation on: April 25, 2008, 03:41:31
Meditational states will affect your circulation.

Personal experience: If I take a  nap during the day my feet will feel like being  immersed in ice. At night ther eis no such feling.

Be aware of that and keep the parts likely to get cold extra warm (in mind or in the physical).

2cents & L&L
Jouni
3  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: I am confused about something on: April 21, 2008, 00:17:59
The terminology and ontology of experiences by others is nothing but one perspective to things.
Use them as a guide when they work and ignore them when they don't fit your perception.

The underlying truth appears to be that each individual has a point of perception which is close to but not quite that of any other individual.
Be objective, experiment, learn what gets the results you want and what does not. Disregard the latter no mater what the authority.

To me, all there appears to be is a perceptual point of viewto what, essenatially, is me/you/all.

2cents & L&L
Jouni
4  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Involuntary vibrations when I was young? on: April 21, 2008, 00:12:49
Hmmm.

Get into the rhythm of the movement and relax into them when they happen.
Should result in something interesting.

I just noticed this a while (long while) back and it seems worth investigating. Whatever it is.

2cents & L&L
Jouni
5  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: seeking advice on: April 21, 2008, 00:04:53
Next time welcome it like an old friend.
Even if it screams and makes horrible faces at you.

Since you return it returns (whatever it is). The solution does not lie in avoidance but in acceptance.
Stand still and observe. Think of it as a test to pass before other things become available.

2cents & L&L
Jouni
6  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Anyone else afraid here? on: April 20, 2008, 23:57:55
First post in ages! All go Hey-Yah?

Whenever afraid ask (and get an answer to) two questions:

1) What is frightening me?
2) Why?

The way of learning and the way to understanding is often the way of being afraid. The guide is the two questions.

Whe  you are scared, stop. Examine the nature and cause of the fright like an insect under a microscope.
Who exactly are you afraid? Of what? Why?

Always examine the the places you feel frightening. They cannot harm you, only you can.
They can teach you and shedlight into places of yourself that you never knew were there.

2cents & L&L
Jouni
7  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Writing my first game on: May 26, 2007, 21:14:27
Will look forward to the screen cap  smiley

2cents & L&L
Jouni
8  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: What Is Real? on: May 26, 2007, 21:05:45
All experiences are equally real.
The ones that take place in the perceived normal reality (ordinary perspective) have a distinct quality apart from those that take place in the non-usual realities (different perspectives).

This reality, dreams and APs and what not are the result of a change in perspective you as the One Thing(tm) can have. There is no real-unreal distinction, only ordinary - not-ordinary distinction.
The reality often perceived as The reality aka waking life is but a perspective to the All. There are an infinite number perspectives.

2cents & L&L
Jouni
9  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: awakening,enlightenment?? on: May 26, 2007, 20:54:55
I think awakening is a bread term but enlightenment is not so much.

I sort of agree with this. One is instantaneous and often fleeting, the other is permanent.

Broadly speaking enlightenment and awakening are the same but in fact they are two signs of a deeper initiatory experience, namely self realisation.
The difference is in the permanence of the experience and the subsequent understanding.
Both stem from a direct experience of one's true nature, that of the infinite and integral One.
However, the enlightenment tends to be more abrupt and overwhelming while the awakening, in my opinion, is more gradual and persistent.
The bottom line with both is that a level of realising one's true nature has taken place and it's been experienced in one way or another -  neither of the two being an end in and of itself.

Certainly both experiences change a person forever but the expression of that change in the everyday life in the illusion is different.

2cents & L&L
Jouni
10  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Telekinesis told by psychic on: May 08, 2007, 05:19:51
Baiting the mods but still..

Can I? please?

2cents & L&L
Jouni
11  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Meditation and Candles: Can staring at the flame damage vision? on: May 08, 2007, 05:13:41
no.
But it can give you a headache like nothing  you've likely ever to have experienced.
Don't stare at the flame like it's the next coming of the christ. Just be aware of it to the exclusion of anything else.

2cents & L&L
Jouni
12  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Paralysis? on: May 08, 2007, 05:11:11
Most of these sensations are self created.
The subconscious fights the change from the usual perceptual reality to the new one (whatever that may be)
The best approach in my experience is to examine what characterisrics cause the problems and find the underlying cause. Usually it's a fear of something or another.
A complete paralysis should not cause any spasms and thus  no lingering pain.  Every time you fall asleep you experience sleep paralysis so there's no reason to have lingering effects from conscious SP.

Oh and for the record I've banged my head against a controlled and conscious projection for more years than some here have been alive. Sometimes it's just not easy.

2cents & L&L
Jouni
13  Astral Chat / Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Brand Spanking New! on: May 08, 2007, 05:04:04
Welcome aboard!
My first suggestion is to search and read the very ancient posts on these forums.
I'm actually reading my own posts from 2002 and learning from them.
Much of information that relates directly to your experience is in the older posts.


2cents & L&L
Jouni
14  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: TK power guy vs James Randi (guess who wins.. -_-) on: April 17, 2007, 03:29:51
I do believe it's all real - part of the natural world and just as real as the everyday things we experience all the time.

Trouble is when we have showmen like Randi who use clever and inventive trickery and illusion to mimic the real thing, it becomes diminished. It becomes a sideshow act that is viewed as an attention seeking performance instead of a means by which we can empower ourselves.

This may be true but there are precious few instances that even approach credible evidence.
I'd expect that someone who can counteract the extant physical phenomena and levitate a feather would inevitably extend that to significant objects, hence my previous post.

To be fair I should point out that Randi is being overt with his plastic chips. HE could have accomplished the same by requiring that the guy turn 3 pages or that the phonebok be at a normal reading position ie. pages turn left to right.

2cents & L&L
Jouni
15  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: TK power guy vs James Randi (guess who wins.. -_-) on: April 17, 2007, 00:48:16
Ah the trick to defeat Randi at TK is to levitate him and not the anvil.

2cents & L&L
Jouni
16  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: i dream.. i realize i'm dreaming.. still feel like i'm crazy.. on: April 17, 2007, 00:46:15
Cos you're trying. Simple as that.

In that state of perception trying to jump invokes the built-in failure "trying" has.
Anything you want to do, just do. Very much Yoda-loie stuff. "Do or Do not. No trying there is"

Incidentally a similar built-in failure can be observed in the usual perception, namely trying to quit smoking (or anything for that matter)

2cents & L&L
Jouni
17  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: I am awake but things happen similal to when i'm asleep on: April 17, 2007, 00:42:18
Easy solution: Take a break from toking.

Pot tends to give people the creepies after a long period of use (sometimes after a short period of use).
Things to do:
1) Recognise it as an effect of pot
2) Lay off the spliff for a while
3) Develop a slightly ritualised way of smoking to create a separation to the anxiety provoking elements such as the LEOs and the #%&/ next door waiting to bust you.

Also since you mention you get effects similar to some altered states of perception I suggest that after a while off the spliff you a good while exploring meditative states to learn about your Self (not about yourself).

Pot changes perception in two ways. Firstly on the short term because of its immediate effects. Secondly on the long term because of its effect on one's perception. If that slow change is not recognised and integrated properly it will cause trouble.



2cents & L&L
Jouni
18  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: 2 questions I need answered on: April 17, 2007, 00:35:07
There's no requirement that you be in any particular state to have an OBE. It's just that in some states it's easier than in others.
What the techniques usually accomplish is to take your mind off the process while it takes place. In the spontaneous events all goes well, like you described, until you pay conscious attention.

All that is because during an OBE nothing really happens other than a change in one's point of view of perception. Conscious habit tends to impose a single POV - namely that of the normal waking state POV. In that state you are still seeing the reality but from a particular perspective.  During an OBE or in some meditative states you see the same reality but from a different perspective. Much like seeing a circle turn into an ellipse.

2cents & L&L
Jouni
19  World Cultures, Traditions and Religions / Welcome to World Cultures, Traditions and Religions! / Re: 10 misconceptions about Islam on: April 14, 2007, 01:57:52
As i understand it, Muslims cannot drink alcohol or take drugs,
Why are they the worlds largest opium suppliers?
Consuming and producing are two different things?
Also somethign to ponder upon is that the medical industry needs opium to provide many  (if not most) of the anesthetics needed to perform any given surgery.
Add to that the post-operative pain management and a whole range of prescription analgesics.
Why doesn't the entire opium crop get bought by the medical industry from the get-go? Islam notwithstanding?
That would be much cheaper and significantly more succesfull than the current disastrously failing war on some drugs.


2cents & L&L
jouni
20  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: We need to PROGRESSS these 'Things' further into the future! on: April 14, 2007, 01:44:43
You'd be amazed how quickly that thought leaves one mind.   Smiley

I'd agree with that.
It's one thing to think about and another thing to experience first hand and in one's face.
Why would one want to have "a psychic fight"? A voluntary nosebleed?


2cents & L&L
Jouni
21  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Startling images when meditating... on: April 13, 2007, 22:51:38
interesting.
For me, when something unexpected - like a sharp sound -  occurs I get a checkerboard visualisation in black and white.
Sometimes it's regular but often slightly skewed into diamond shapes.

I haven't been able to figure out what that means.

2cents & L&L
Jouni
22  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Swallowing on: March 30, 2007, 02:26:58
Easiest solution is to swallow.
Making a big deal out of the need to swallow is what causes problems not the swallowing itself.
It's a reflexive action so there's no need to pay conscious attention to it.

The same applies to all kinds of itches and discomfort. Scratching is the quickest way to get rid of an itch and adjusting body position to get rid of discomfort.

2cents & L&L
jouni
23  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Ascended Earth Update on: March 19, 2007, 01:59:38
Go away?

2cents&L&L
jouni
24  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: silence on: March 11, 2007, 22:08:05
well, the thing is you cannot actively shut down the internal dialogue. Trying to do that only makes more waves.
The best thing to do is just observe and let the thoughts go away in their own time.
After a while they start to appear less and less often and evetually disappear.

2cents & L&L
Jouni
25  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Skydiver falls 12,000 feet.. survives! on: February 23, 2007, 22:16:58
5000 ft drop will normally easily have you at terminal velocity upon impact. The velocity, though, depends on the amount of canopy you have deployed and the attitude in which you fall.
If he had both canopies out but failed his velocity would have been well below normal terminal velocity so it's not entirely impossible to survive the impact. Hardly likely but potentially possible.
Two half open canopies and soft ground just might do the trick.

2cents & L&L
jouni
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