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26  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Positive And Negative Consequences Of What Is Happening On 2020 In This World on: August 04, 2020, 23:44:19
Lumaza, LB...

Yeah seriously!  The world seems to be in quite a chaotic state these days.
And I'm not just talking about the coronavirus. 

Totally! In general people's behavior has become bizarre. I think there is overload of information that is conflicting yet very convincing/manipulative on all levels regardless if it's true, so people cant decide what to believe, many are not experts in certain fields, they just read headlines. Many are spoiled having certain way of living and now being restricted in certain ways freaks them out. I view it as a need of forging, but before the product that is being forged become strong, it needs to go though fire.
27  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Positive And Negative Consequences Of What Is Happening On 2020 In This World on: August 04, 2020, 07:30:31
Hey!!  Logic and reasoning have no place here LB!!  Smiley  hehe

It truly feels like we are in the Twilight Zone   shocked
28  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Space Station Moon on: August 03, 2020, 06:41:23
Nemeless and Lumaza, yes legends are born from some truth. That would explain the extreme violent climate in the distant past without a moon to stabilize it.
29  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Positive And Negative Consequences Of What Is Happening On 2020 In This World on: August 03, 2020, 02:59:17
Relax everyone, dentists and doctors have been wearing masks on a daily basis for hours as part of their jobs and no one until no has mentioned dangers of wearing them for a long time. It has been demonstrated with oxygen machines that wearing a mask does not decrease the level of oxygen intake. If you worry about bacteria and fungus buildup then wash it every day or get disposables.

vaccines have been used for decades to stop the deadly plaques and save millions including children. no one until now has freaked out about side effects. there are possible side effects but less than 1% of course just like anything. But the benefits of saving lives outweighs the risks. Vaccines are nothing more than dead or weakened traces of viruses designed to trigger immunity build up. If we wait for natural heard immunity, then we have to wait for years and loose hundreds of millions of lives worldwide, ruining the economy and not being able to have normal lives.

As far as cures, there hasn't been an effective cure for flue type illnesses for a century. whether on purpose or truly no one can find it that is irrelevant as there are many secrets the masses are not aware of. whether dome mention meds are effective or not, the FDA by law does not have the right to make any statements until there is solid data from double blind placebo control multi center studies. statements from doctors that some things are effective do not have scientific data back up. the FDA regulates only the US, all other countries are free to use whatever they want, yet no one is treating massively COVID and reported great results on a mass level from certain mentioned meds that our FDA is cautioning at this time. There are trials in progress to determine safety and efficacy but the trials are not completed yet. Congress makes the laws, FDA follows these laws. Congress has more republicans at this time. if we believe the wild conspiracies about billionaires controlling meds and approvals because of their own interests than by extension congress allows them to do so, therefore the republicans are the evil controlling party behind it all. I dont believe this as throughout the years republicans and democrats have controlled the law at times and no one has every unveiled evil plans. are there secrets, yes, do all politicians work power driven, yes. Do they wok for the masses, no. However, certain wild conspiracies are just not logical because nowadays everyone blabs about everything. the scale of this controlling agenda is so massive that it will have to involve each country's government, physicians, scientists, labs, pharma, biotech companies and everyone working for them. Simply impossible.

We have to work with what we have at this time and our best bet is a vaccine. the swine flue was contained by a vaccine in 2009. It still circulates but there is a big difference between 60 million people in the US infected 2009-2010 and 100 000 per year nowadays because of the vaccine. This vaccine is within your regular flue shot that many people take seasonally. I haven't heard any alarming side effects from the flue shot. well the COVID shot will be no different principle of development wise. People need to stop the paranoia and the wild conspiracies because we will sabotage ourselves in the end.

in addition, people are scared of being implanted with a track devices through vaccines. This one cracks me up. If anyone wanted to insert anything within us, that's easy, though any meds, food or drinks in the market. why does not have to be this particular vaccine. devices cant be passed through the tiny middle with liquid. how many manufacturers will be involved in the making process. ingredient not on the label can not be kept a secret. a device or a chip will need power to work continuously. how will it be recharged in our bodies to be able to work as a tracking device or any device in that matter? And of you think about it we already have tracking devices on all of us. We paid money for them and we will not give them up. we freak out when we looks them, break them or loose connection. WE attached them volunteer to us and we rarely turn them off. Think about it. Through our cellphones, all of our locations are known at all time, whether you realize it or not, every word we speak on them, every text, every search keyword, every website we ever visited are forever recorded and linked to our identity. there is no need of any other chip or tracking devices needed at all. and plus, they influence the way we think by reading articles, watching videos, etc. this made it so easy of whoever is interested in tracking every person ion the world and influencing their minds. even our cameras may be recording us without us being aware. how do you know your camera records only when you are seeing a light or you have turned it on.  
30  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Space Station Moon on: August 03, 2020, 01:16:41
Here's a 4 minute clip on that episode on youtube.

What if it is artificial but has no other purpose than to sit in orbit and provide light?

without the moon, Earth will not be stable on its axix and will keep tilting often which will lead to unstable weather, ice ages every few thousand years, etc. Whoever created it if artificial knew that it will make our planet more stable to allow more consistent climate. But think about it, if this intelligence can create artificial objects and pull them into space in a precise distance from the sun and Earth, then they can pull any naturally formed planets close to any Sun for allowance of appropriate climate to sustain life. They can create probably whole planets per their taste, grow whatever nature they like, etc.
31  Psychic and Paranormal / Welcome to Psychic and Paranormal! / Re: Tying Up Loose Ends on: August 01, 2020, 07:22:25
By the fact that nobody here posted that they couldn't find said video, that told me that nobody even went to listen to it at all! Last night's show was cancelled due to a internet outage in California last night. Just thought I would let you know, just in case someone went looking for the video after the fact!

I was going to listen the recording, because I can pause, rewind or fast forward, but too bad there was an issue. I believe that many lurkers read every single post here, they just dont wish to converse.
32  Metaphysics / Welcome to Quantum Physics! / Re: Obsession with Physics on: July 30, 2020, 02:35:35
I was waiting until your next post on your love of Quantum Physics to share this with you Lightbeam. It's by one of yours and my favorites, Dr. Michio Kaku!  cool

 I thoroughly enjoyed this interview and I know that you and many others here will as well:

 Here's a table of contents of sorts for your viewing pleasure:
0:00 - Introduction
1:14 - Contact with Aliens in the 21st century
6:36 - Multiverse and Nirvana
9:46 - String Theory
11:07 - Einstein's God
15:01 - Would aliens hurt us?
17:34 - What would aliens look like?
22:13 - Brain-machine interfaces
27:35 - Existential risk from AI
30:22 - Digital immortality
34:02 - Biological immortality
37:42 - Does mortality give meaning?
43:42 - String theory
47:16 - Universe as a computer and a simulation
53:16 - First human on Mars

Yay, it's on my list to watch tonight. I was actually looking for physics conventions and conferences to attend and I looked up Dr. Kaku's conferences, but many are delayed due to the virus. I was laughing when I was searching g for these conventions. I imagined myself sitting there in the audience full of mathematical geniuses and would watch them writing formulas on the board and my mind would be completely blank haha. and then I would get up and tell everyone, well, let me tell hyou now about the laws of the non-physical world, because it does affect the world you are studying and that's why you cant find what you are looking for haha. Then I think I will be escorted out lol
33  Metaphysics / Welcome to Quantum Physics! / Obsession with Physics on: July 30, 2020, 02:17:35
My interest in Quantum physics and Astrophysics have always been present, but very subtle. Now, it has become an obsession for some reason that I dont understand why. I cant stop watching documentaries about it and I feel that if I had the scientific knowledge I could discover important things, but the problem is that my brain is not wired to understand math, and without math there is no way I can express my thinking for publishable papers. So, I posed the question to the universe last night, why am I restricted in this life to understand math, but at the same time I have strong feeling and obsession of solving quantity physics mysteries. I asked to be shown the answer through a dream or AP. So a dream happened, very vivid where I saved a dog from a bunch of dinosaurs that were in my garden in my childhood home lol. I woke up and I was like, whaaaaat haha?
34  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: will things get better? on: July 26, 2020, 05:34:07
We do create personal reality yes, but dont forget that we all are also connected as a mass consciousness in this system. These global events it was all of us as a whole created this. Some may not need certain lessons, but have agreed to be a part of it all for different reasons. Perhaps with opinions and discussions, thoughts, to stray the masses into the right direction. Obviously there is a lesson on a larger level to be learned but if the majority of people dont, then this will continue until the way of thinking is changed. In the beginning of the quarantine I had terrible dreams for a few weeks that are posted here, people will be struck and turned into ash. And this is exactly what is happening now. However, my bad dreams have stopped and were replaced by good dreams related to global consciousness. My prediction is that things will get better. When, I dont know, but I am sure this will pass. Until then, one of the lessons for all of us is patience, compassion, understanding why is this happening. Do people need to learn to care for nature more and stop polluting. Do they need to learn to appreciate life itself and stop taking things for granted. Do they need to learn to stop attacking each other because of political differences. Do they need to learn to spend more time and cherish their families, to set aside all these technological devices and start communication in person, appreciate the outdoors, etc. There are so many good things that all of us are FORCED to learn and change bad habits. Politicians have to stop being power driven and actually work for the interest of the people. And so on and so forth. We had this coming. It does not surprise me at all and it was/still is necessary for our own good. So, relax, observe, be wise, and have patience. Find other things to do that dont involve gathering with people. You would be surprised how many self improvement thing there are for us to do, learn another language, work out, develop a healthy diet, learn to cook, garden, learn to play an instrument, draw, watch educational documentaries, create, help neighbors and elderly people, etc.
35  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: very strange astral noise on: July 21, 2020, 08:16:46
lightbeam very cool Cheesy do you set an alarm for 3 hours or 4? i tried 5 hours last night and that seemed to be too much like my body was fully rested and not in the sweet spot state... if i remember right after 3-4 hours is best and 3 and a half was the sweet spot. i also do try to do this without an alarm just everytime i wake up become aware and play dead and it's the perfect sweet spot. i did this a lot a long time ago and i found i didn't need an alarm anymore, my dream would end and i would wake up and i instantly just became aware and tried a technique so i trained myself to do it throughout the night! but now a days i just wanna roll over and sleep and not dream lol. i guess we all go through spurts like that

well, I go to bed at different times depending on my work schedule the next day, but no later than 11 usually, so I would say 3 to 4 hours of sleep. I dont think it makes a difference for me to be that precise. and I agree when your body gets used to waking up at night with alarm, then it will do so without one after a while.
I also agree with EV that energy blockage or improper flow can manifest in different physical symptoms. Even if we dont have complaints it is best to do energy movements on ourselves every once in a while.
36  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: very strange astral noise on: July 21, 2020, 06:54:43
i can totally relate. i set an alarm app on my iphone for 4 hours when going to sleep... it beeps 5 times and wakes me up and then turns off on its own. i dont have to move in my bed and i "play dead" and dont move.... and deeply relax. and i get out everytime.

This is a very cleaver way to bypass all kinds of techniques. I have set up my wake up time for 2 AM on my app. It will sing me a soft song for a few seconds and it will stop without the need for me to press any stop buttons.
Usually when I naturally wake up during the night to go to the bathroom or drink some water, when I get back in bed I just start swaying from side to side, and that motion triggers buzzing very quickly. so I will combine the wake up with alarm at 2 AM with swaying for a few seconds and see how that goes.

But yes, like you, sometimes I feel so tired that I just want to pass out and totally recharge.
37  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: very strange astral noise on: July 20, 2020, 09:46:14
Just wondering which technique in particular brought the "earthquake"  wink

Every night while falling asleep I imagine that I am someplace else. I picked my childhood home because I know it so well and i have so many good memories there. Later, I started changing the places I visualize to keep my interest. You can pick whatever place you wish. It'is very important the technique to be done WHILE falling asleep. During the day or even before bed wont work, at least for me and many other accounts I have read of people trying to AP during the day). For a long lasting fully physically detached  AP you need your body to be asleep. Then when morning comes and your body naturally has to awake, then nothing can keep you in the NP, your body awakens naturally and so is you AP over.
So back to the technique, your last thought before falling asleep has to be the thought of being some place else, observing and interacting with that environment.  So I turned into my favorite position ready to fall asleep, but I made sure that I went to bed about 1/2 hour before I know that I will become very sleepy to prevent too fast falling asleep. I visualized that I was home, walking around, observing the furniture, touching stuff, going outside, observing different objects, picking them up, etc.

This technique directs your focus away from your physical body. By interacting with the environment, touching stuff, feeling the textures, etc, you are retaining your awareness WHILE falling asleep. Then once your physical senses that keep you focus here get shut off, your awareness is still awake by the technique and you can easily refocus into the NP. This is often accompanied by sleep paralysis and vibrations, but they dont happen every time though. Sometimes, I just become aware in the middle of the night and I get out without any vibes.
38  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: very strange astral noise on: July 20, 2020, 08:59:50
My very first experience with vibes was about two weeks after starting the visualization technique of William Buhlman. Of course I read so much about it but had no idea what the actual experience was lie, so mine was a big shake earthquake like. That woke me up and i jumped out of bed and ran into the kitchen. I looked at the chandelier to see how big was the shake, but to my surprise it was not moving. I was very puzzled, went online and checked the California website that registers earthquakes in real time. NO earthquake registered. Then a light bulb came in. oh wait that must have been a vibration state Buhlman was describing. lol. There were a few times where I would hear a group of people in my house. I have gotten up in the middle of the night ready to call 911 that someone is breaking into my house. It took a while to get used tio the vibration and sleep paralysis state and actually realize what is it while it's happening, not after I physically wake myself up. So, now, I dont let it linger. As soon as it starts, I imagine that I am standing up and that gets me fully refocused in the NP and all that weird energy adjustments stop.
39  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: very strange astral noise on: July 20, 2020, 04:28:51
these are just energy adjustments when we refocus (intentionally or unintentionally) from one frequency to another. I've heard my name being called, laughter, screaming, bombs, gun shots, popping, wind, etc. I dont thing they have a meaning. Just our filtering system's interpretation of frequencies. As far as receiving answers, I personally receive them in forms of thoughts, not voices, but thoughts popping in my head like they are mine, I came up with them, but without me forcing receival. Everyone received answers differently, but I dont think it is meant for others to give them to you. You have to come to your own realizations. Stop seeking guides to ask questions, but focus on your experiences (physical and astral) to extract the knowledge.

here is an excellent post about exits symptoms.
40  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Is it "normal" to have serious PAIN inflicted on you?!? on: July 20, 2020, 03:29:41
This is part of what worries me! If inflicting pain is for a good purpose, why is it so rare? In the few accounts you have read about the sort of thing that happened to me, was there any conclusion or consensus about why that happens, for what purpose, etc? Does ANYONE have any idea, at all, what it could me, why it happens sometimes?

From my recollection they were one timer events. I don't know if the people figured out why. It definitive has something to do with eac individual, perhaps some subconscious fears or beliefs. You have to analyse the event itself and look into your life, habits, believes, to see if there is a hint of something you need to change about yourself. How you view life, how you react to challenges, etc.
41  Metaphysics / Welcome to Quantum Physics! / Einstein's quantum riddle on: July 19, 2020, 05:58:17
Very interesting documentary about quantum entanglement. Two particles separated by distance behave in the same way and they are connected somehow. No one can explain, but basically on a smaller scale nothing behaves the way we perceive it on a larger scale.
42  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Is it "normal" to have serious PAIN inflicted on you?!? on: July 18, 2020, 08:10:52
2 decades of reading different AP accounts, books, discussions with people on different forums, this is a rare occurrence. But remember the saying "No pain, no gain". Challenges exist not only in physical realities, but in many non-physical as well. Myself and a few others here have posted a number of soul retrievals during APs, where lost/stuck souls need help and we guide them out of their situations. So, not everything is flowers and rainbows outside of the dense realities, the journeys continue, so are the lessons. I still think that everything happens for a reason and that reason is us, something we must become aware, something is seeking our attention to trigger needed change in our actions, beliefs, state of mind, etc. Regardless of the cause of pain and challenges. It may be a situation, but it may be a person, an entity that will cause something negative, but at a higher lever that is arranged precisely and our higher self has agreed to experience it. The pother personalities involved in our "misfortunes" are tools that help for the situation to form and at the end of is for our benefit of learning. I know that this is almost impossible to be grasped by limited personalities like us, but this is just my conclusion from experiences. Otherwise existence will make no sense.
If we accept that challenges are beneficial for our expansion then we can look at pain straight in the eyes without resistance, but with understanding. Then we can more clearly see the reason behind every occurrence and if we are able to admit that yes we need to improve certain aspects of ourselves, then we can recognize what is it that we need to change. Once we initiate that change, then the need for the lesson will end and so will the challenge dissolve and never repeat again. But we MUST leave our ego aside and admit that there is much we have to learn and that we do make mistakes. We have to admit what we do wrong and stop justifying our behavior.
The above is not directly pointed at you, GrumpyRabbit, but just something that I have concluded a long time ago and have used that technique to look deep into every negative experience that comes my way. I ask and ask and ask what is it that I need to change. and I always come to a realization of what do I need to improve. At times that was my diet, at times that was to stop judging others, at times there was the necessity to forgive without repentance, to love those who hurt me, etc.

So to summaries my blabbing, there is a reason for everything, we have to find the reasons ourselves, we have to apply the changes necessary in order to extract the knowledge and dissolve the issue, never to blame others for our pain, they are tools that help the situation to get our attention. Journeys continue in many levels of the multiverse.

43  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Nameless' Everything Journal on: July 17, 2020, 09:46:19

I still struggle with this type premonition. What good is it if I can't do anything?

Now, look at my reply on #104. In the dream you were in a collision with that tan car. The woman in your dream told you that you will be fine. In reality you arrived just moments before the car flipped, so you avoided the collision. I think through this dream, somehow one of your probable futures was altered in your advantage and you were not harmed. I hope the driver though made it, but I think it was not about you saving that driver, but saving yourself. 
44  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Problems accurately perceiving "Real Time Zone" - validation fails! on: July 17, 2020, 07:59:16
I have seen my reflection a few times. One time I saw the me version like I am in this reality but I wanted to see if mental body alterations will work. Well, they did instantly, I had a little too much fun with it, made by boobs bigger lol, eye color purple, long lashes, long legs haha, it was really fun. During another AP, I was walking alongside a street with many shops. I saw my reflection in one of the windows as I was passing by. To my surprise I saw myself as a young black girl, very pretty, but at the same time I knew who I was in this reality, so as you can imagine that was very spooky.
45  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Problems accurately perceiving "Real Time Zone" - validation fails! on: July 14, 2020, 03:46:40

Lightbeam, does this mean it's theoretically possible to tune our awareness more clearly to our physical reality here on earth?

yes, it is
46  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Problems accurately perceiving "Real Time Zone" - validation fails! on: July 13, 2020, 00:44:31
Thank you, Lumaza and Athensis! This is all really helpful. Also, it brings a few more questions to mind.

I'm thinking of those accounts of people having NDEs or being thrown from their bodies due to a shock trauma, like a car accident - they, too, float above the scene and look down on themselves. I know that people who have these experiences, whether they are unconscious or clinically "dead", can report with great accuracy conversations that were going on, things happening in the hallway, etc. So, it seems like it must be possible to truly be in our world, just floating around like a ghost (as it were) - right?

If did that happen? How did they leave their bodies, but still be HERE and perceive things so accurately? Is there a way that, with time, we can do that, too?

And, just wondering what everyone's theories are about why these inaccuracies happen. Like, do people/experts in this tend to think it's more on the side of "we don't have sufficient skill to perceive things accurately" or, "The Powers That Be are not letting us see things accurately for some higher reason".

I dont think it's a matter of skills, as NDEs happen once for certain people and they recall events so accurately. But NDEs are different than APs, right, because during NDE the person is probably 99% disconnected from the body, where as during APs we are very much alive and connected to the physical body, we are just able to adjust to some degree our frequencies to observe some parts of the Non-Physical World and we dont have as much consciousness/awareness  and energy transferred there due to being oriented here at this time. I think this is the difference that makes their experiences very clear and accurate, They are free of boundaries and are able to observe without restrictions. This is just my theory that makes most sense to me. During APs I have had some accurate observations that I validated afterwards, but some did not match. That does not bother me at all, since then I have stopped searching for such validations and have focused on going to higher realms exploring other worlds and experiences. I have no interest in spying at anyone here or solving earth mysteries. The reason we observe different surroundings of our physical world is that there are so many parallel and probable realities. We also have so many parallel and probable selves not only of this character we know now, but many others, so in the NP there is no space time continuum, everything exists here and now, the only difference is where is our awareness tune to. And we observe it as a point in time from our perspective. The multiverse is so vast and complex that we cant expect to know it all from our limited perspective as physical characters. If you come to terms with this, then you will be free to just explore, learn and have joy. And know that EVERYTHING happens for a reason. We have to ask and understand what the reason is, as it contains knowledge that we have to realize.
47  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Nature Tour on: July 11, 2020, 00:33:50
No lions before in APs, but in dreams I see a lot of cats. Here are some APs I have posted before that involve other animals and creatures if you are interested to read.

48  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Nature Tour on: July 10, 2020, 21:51:10
This morning I felt the vibes as I was sleeping. They lingered for a while, so I decided to induce them and imagined spinning really fast. That did the trick and next thing I know I am floating in the air and sitting actually on something, but it was invisible. So I was in a sitting position while flying. Then I decided to leave the forces to take me where they wish. I did not give any commands for locations. Then my invisible comfy chair took me to the most incredible nature scenes. I was soaring above green meadows, flower gardens, mountains, lakes, canyons, you name it. The last scene was over a hillside with many large rock formations. All of a sudden one of the rocks sitting on the top of the highest hill started shape shifting and took the form of a lion. Then the lion stood up and roared. It was really incredible and majestic!  Then at some point I decided to give a command to go to Rome. I instantly found myself in a remote area, like a village. I said to myself "well this is definitely not Rome, WHT am I? Then a man and his son appeared. They were dressed in simple light gray clothing, like labor clothes. I asked them where is Rome. The boy pointed north west and said in a mix of Italian and Russian language that I should not go to Rome and should stay here. They seemed in distress. I turned towards the area they were pointing and when I looked back they had disappeared. Then I woke up. The clock was showing 6:13am. It was my natural time to wake up, so did my AP naturally ended.
49  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Why do you want OBEs? on: July 09, 2020, 21:59:01
I think our spirits have a natural urge to learn. Therefore exploration is the best way to satisfy this urge. If you know that there is a whole new endless world beyond the boundaries of this reality, who wouldn't want to see it. For me, with each AP, I feel my consciousness expanding tremendously, I look at things from a very different perspective and that gives me a sense of content knowing the purposes of existence. But at the same time the urge to explore more and more new worlds grows even bigger. The sense of adventure, new knowledge really charges my excitement and overall happiness and joy. I want to see the BIG picture and I do see a lot of it. That gives me a sense of incredible freedom.
50  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: "Side effects" of APing on physical body after it's all over on: July 09, 2020, 03:49:15
Oh dear, that's tough! Researchers think this is inflammatory. The only natural thing to combat inflammation I can think of is turmeric, if you haven't tried, but for it to take effect you have to take it for a few weeks. Check with your doctor though if turmeric will be safe for you. I have heard many people with chronic conditions improve after taking turmeric supplements for a few weeks. I know hearing advises may be frustrating, but people genuinely try to help.
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