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1  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Astral projection and fear on: May 14, 2010, 19:07:36
Hi all,
I am a bit new here, I haven't had OBEs or APs yet, but I've had lots of LDs and some vivid and exciting dreams, and also sleep paralysis sometimes. So I can only tell about my experience with my nightmares.

Sleep paralysis is scary for me only if I wake up at night. When I wake up at morning, it is just weird, but not scary - I guess that is because then I see my room clearly, and my subconscious has that secure feeling that no imagined monster can lurk in the dark. Anyways, I guess that is the reason why people should prefer trying OBEs and APs in the morning - it would feel secure to start your travel from some lighter place than from darkness.

I have read about that "love your fear" thing and I have tried it in a nightmare. When I became lucid (unaware of my sleeping body though) I decided to try to love my nightmare because it was just my imagined monsters. I stopped running away and started rising loving feeling inside me, and suddenly my dream vision improved, and I saw that there really are no monsters at all. I am not sure, what happened, but it helped me.

A weird story: when I was a kid and haven't heard anything about APs (but I have had a lots of LDs already then) and when becoming lucid in a nightmare, I tried to do something impossible in a normal physical reality - I tried to push my dream hand into my dream head. I REALLY have no idea, why I did so, it somehow was some quick idea that it could help. After this trick I woke up happy that I escaped my nightmare, so I repeated this trick many times.

But then one night after this trick I suddenly heard some kind of inner voice that told me "Don't do that", and I got a feeling that it is bad to push fingers into head, and then my nightmare became even worse. So I did not do that any more and had to invent some other methods to fight nightmares.

Has anyone any idea, why it would be not wise to put my fingers into my head in a dream?  grin
2  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Try this Dream Self-Interpetation Technique! on: May 13, 2010, 19:37:13
Music gives me answers even in everyday life, when awake. I just walk and think about some problem and start humming a song. After a while I notice the song in my head, then remember the words and bingo! that is a pointer to some solution of a problem which I am trying to solve, or an answer to some question smiley
3  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Extremely vivid dream what energy did i use and can i use it in this reality on: May 13, 2010, 18:25:28
Wow, that was a great story. It reminds me one of my dreams.
In a dream I had a conflict with some person, and I understood that I couldn't do anything to convince him, so I became angry, ssssooooo angry that I launched myself like a rocket through the window and straight into the sky, and then it was like a blast of bright green explosion coming out of me and I woke up, and felt ashamed that I became so angry in a dream, but anyway I felt excited. My heart was beating fast, and eyes felt like after looking at a bright light.
Maybe it was something similar to your red energy.
4  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Hearing words or sentences before waking up? on: May 13, 2010, 18:06:22
If I recall correctly, there is a saying along the lines of "Time spent wishing is time wasted." Had you been wishing for something before you heard it?

I guess, I wish something every day  grin Maybe I should stop wishing and start doing something, if only I knew where to start Smiley
5  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Getting objective information while in LD - my experience on: May 13, 2010, 17:23:08
Thanks for replies.

I'll tell you how it went further. Although I guess the second time was a failure, but the experience was so vivid and fun anyways  grin.

That skeptic person and I - we both agreed that those results are not good enough. Too many people have wallpapers with orange flowers, T-shirts with letters and conflicts with parents. He told me - if I could get information about the other wallpaper in his room and some specific items in his room (he said he had something specific that most people usually do not have), then the results would be more believable.

So next evening I was thinking a lot about how to get this info in my dream. When I fell asleep, I had dreams about some aliens which opened an information channel through my TV, but I had to tune the mp4 decoder to receive the information  grin. Complete rubbish, I guess.

At one moment I became lucid though. The memory returned back and somehow I felt that I'll wake up soon (maybe that was just my experience with previous LDs - they usually happen shortly before I wake up) so I have to hurry. In a dream I was in some room in a party with my relatives. I went out to the hallway, and the voices went somewhere at the backplane. In a hallway I thought of that person and that I would like to meet him. And there he came. But then I remembered R.Monroe's experiments and how he failed to make people remember what he was saying to them during AP. So somehow I thought that the person I see is not really himself, but his subconscious part or astral twin or something like that, and I treated him that way.
I said "Please, give me some details about specific items in your room".
He hesitated, looked at me and asked "Will it be fair?" (I guess, he thought - what is the point of the experiment if he tells me everything; it was like he did not know that he might not be the same physical person).
I insisted: "That is the only way to make the physical you to believe me. Please, hurry." He seemed a bit uncertain, looked around. I thought: maybe for some reason he is not allowed to talk to me. So I decided to be not so insistent. I told : "Of course, speak only if you are allowed to. Please, give me ANY useful information.".
So he told me some words, but he spoke it so quiet that I could not hear, and also the background voices from my "dream party" were still too loud. I asked: "What?" He shouted out: "Sort alphabet" and turned away, but before he left, he said:"Money, money, money" (actually those words meant something like "little money" in my native language, there is no such wordform in English). And the dream faded away and I woke up as usual.
Of course, the phrases "sort alphabet" and  "money, money, money" did not mean anything related to the specific items in the skeptic person's room, but at least we had some fun talking about this lucid dream  grin

What confuses me a bit - I do not know why did I wake up and how did I know that I'll wake up soon in my LD, it was like I knew that my body will wake up really soon, but I have no idea why, and there is nothing that I can do to stop my body from waking up. When I woke up there was no any visible reason why this happened, it was very early in the morning so I fell asleep again and saw some irrelevant dreams. This feeling about soon waking up happens a lot in my LDs (sometimes I even jokingly say to my dream actors: "By-by, guys, I'll return to my reality now!"), but I cannot stop myself from waking up without any obvious reason  sad
6  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Flying in a Lucid dream on: May 01, 2010, 18:21:04
lol, I forgot that I replied to this thread already...and said exactly the same thing...

Lucid deja vu?  grin
7  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Hearing words or sentences before waking up? on: May 01, 2010, 18:17:16
Yes, I do hear sentences. And also some music - as an afterefect from the dream. I like to whistle in a dream, then my whistling causes like an entire orchestra around me, and then I hear a song that I've never heard before, it is so beautiful, and sometimes I wake up in ecstatic state and had a feeling of music in my ears  Smiley  I try to use a computer program to recreate the melody, but I get only a shadow of that feeling in a dream, and I am not a good musician anyway.

English is not my native, so I was really surprised that one morning I heard a clear English sentence (I am not sure it is grammatically correct though, but here you go):

"This lesson shouldn't you forget, the more you wish the less you get".
Anyone has any ideas, what is that about?

Some other night I heard (this time it was in my native language):
"this direction is good" and then "this direction is bad", and during this, I saw a spinning circle, which changed direction. The problem - I do not remember anymore, which direction is good and which is bad   huh
8  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Getting objective information while in LD - my experience on: May 01, 2010, 17:38:39
Hi all!

I have LD about twice a month almost since when I was a kid. I do not try to induce them any way - I just enjoy that they come as a surprise  grin

I also started interesting about OBEs (out-of-body experiences) and I am reading a Robert Monroe book about "Journeys out of the body". I find really exciting how he tries to prove himself and others that OBEs are real and that he is seeing the real physical world while in OBE.

I haven 't had OBEs.

I also am active member in some message board where people talk about various paranormal, metaphysical, esoteric things. There are also lots of skeptical people. I myself although believe that OBEs are real, but I am a bit skeptical, how much useful data can I get from it. One person told that he would believe if someone who has not been in his home before could describe something in details, like a pattern of a wallpaper in his room.

And now comes the most surprising part. Last night I had a LD. Suddenly I remembered the conversation with that skeptical person and then just out of a curiosity (I did not believe myself that it'll be useful) I made a strong wish "I want to know any useful information about that person". AT that moment my LD changed. The previous scene vanished and now I saw a big wall with a wallpaper. At first wallpaper was blurry and had some vertical stripes on it. I started concentrating on the pattern and then I saw some popcorn-like orange flower with some horizontal stripe as a peduncle.

Next I saw some 20-30 old person in a open blazer and a t-shirt under it, t-shirt was dark colored and had white big letters on it. Somehow I thought it is dark red, and thought that it has something to do with some sports event.

Next the scene moved a bit away but I saw nothing certain, only one thought came to me - something negative with the father, conflict or something like that.

Next came various scenes but they are not meaningful - although I was just an observer and seemed disconnected from what I saw.

Next I had a false awakening - and told everyone what a dream I had  grin

And finally when I woke up, I went to PC and told all the details form my dream, I tried to filter away my subjective impressions, and I did not tell the name of the person which I was dreaming of. I just told - if someone sees some pattern in those details, then please respond.

And he did. Three details matched .. almost. He really had a wallpaper with abstract flower-like pattern with orange flowers and some blue elements (missing blue in my dream). He recently had bought a black (not dark red) T-shirt with light letters - white and gray, and he really had some conflicts with his father.

Of course, we both are still skeptical about the results - there are many people who have t-shirts with white letters, orange-flowered wallpapers and conflicts with fathers. But we also cannot ignore it and say that it is 100% nothing. So next time I'll try again, think about some certain details not just "some information" and we'll see where it goes.

I am really curious, has anyone tried something similar, and what are the results?
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