What is "real?"

Reality is subjective and based on the individual's perception. I've had many experiences while phasing and OBE which were more real to me than any physical experience I've ever had. But that will mean nothing to you. The only way you can make your own determination is to experience it yourself. Reading other's thoughts/experiences is one thing, but save your own judgement/determination for what you, personally, experience.

I moved this post here as it wasn't specific to OBEs, but rather spanned several categories.

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I've never purchased it, but from what members have said, I believe it is several hundred dollars == it is CD though. Don't know the exact price.

Actually, you don't "need" to find anyone to teach you. This is something that's very easy to learn on your own. 

I don't think anyone here has had anyone teach them as you are requesting...although I could be wrong. The vast majority of members practice on their own, post any specific questions/issues they are having, then other members help them out as best they can. I hope you at least give it a try, since I'm not sure what kind of luck you'll have finding a 'teacher.' I don't know of anyone that teaches this stuff.

Regardless of your decision, good luck.

Read through the posts in the sections: Permanent Astral Topics and Astral FAQs. Those two sections are packed with posts on methods, techniques and common experiences. I suggest all new members struggling with OBE or phasing read through them.

Find a technique that appeals to you, the commit to daily practice of it for at least a month before deciding it isn't working. There are a bunch of techniques because different things work better/worse for different people. The only way to tell what works for you is through trial and error. But skipping different techniques every other day will yield nothing either. You need to be consistent with a method before determining if it works for you.

Good luck!

If you have any specific questions as you begin using techniques, post your questions in either the OBE Discussion, if that's a method you are attempting, or the Astral Consciousness section if you are trying phasing.

The F10, F27 and Park being mentioned in this thread refer to Robert Monroe's categorization of consciousness or areas of awareness while phasing. The Gateway Series is also a product his organization sells to help people achieve these results. You can read more about this on his website: http://themonroeinstitute.com/.

The first time I ever saw the word Over-Soul was when reading Robert Peterson or Robert Monroe or some guy writing on OBE. I think it was Peterson, although it's been years since I read it.

If memory serves, he used that term to decribe his perception of an OBE experience in which he perceived a large body -- like a mother-ship -- with a bunch of tendrils extending down from it. Each tendril represented one life or part of him. And that each one was also a part of this over-soul.

Interestingly enough, I hadn't realized till this morning, when googling the word, that Ralph Waldo Emerson is the first to coin the word when he wrote an essay on spirituality and soul...I'm going to have to read that now!

Actually, it looks like Monroe used this term in Ultimate Journeys as well...although I've never read that.

From what I remember, I equate the word Over-Soul to how people currently think of the Higher Self. So I believe the question is how to contact your higher self.

I didn't vote for Bush the first time, but wasn't too upset....till 9/11. He pulled the typical republican ploy to win the second time -- throw abortion and gay marriage into the mix -- which hadn't been issues up till election time. Thus ensuring that all staunch christians would turn out to vote. When he won the second time, I thought I would get physically sick.

I remember seeing a cartoon years ago about him. He was standing with a bible in one hand and an oozie in the other. To me, that's the perfect representation for him....

Sorry, got a bit side-tracked. (sore topic for me).

I keep trying to help you, and you keep spitting in my face.  All I can say is that I can't wait until you pass on and leave behind this foolishness. 

morning_star, I'm not sure who your post was directed at, but I would suggest you calm down. The topic being debated is infinity and 0. You have one opinion on the subject. Some members agree, some disagree, and some partially agree. The purpose for these forums is to debate topics and learn from each other. 

Your 'truth' is only one of many truths. Everyone has their own version. If you took the time to read through the posts on this forum, there are countless posts (many with 'truth' in the subject line) where members believe they have found *the truth* --- others disagree with it. There is no right or wrong here, regardless of your personal beliefs. Everyone's opinions are just as valid as yours. We welcome your contribution, but not to the exclusion or belittlement of different thoughts and ideas by other members.

The "spitting in your face" as you call it, is the response you are eliciting from others not from what you are saying, but from the way you are saying it. Two totally different things.



As to the topic at hand, I can understand how 0 could represent infinity. From a mathematic point of view (and I could be wrong as its been about 20 years since college) I believe Einstein theorized that the universe was essentially circular. That if you started in one spot and walked in a straight line, at some point you would arrive back to where you began. Numerically, I agree that 0 represents nothing. However 0 is also a circle. No beginning and no end => endless => infinite. Now, I'm not sure I agree that endless = infinite, but I could somewhat understand that.

So I think one possible way to look at is 0 = nothing and 0 is a circle. A circle has no beginning and no end. And the numerical concept of 0 = nothing could represent the return to the beginning. We begin as nothing, are born, grow, die, return to nothing, then are born again. A cycle. In that respect, I suppose nothing could be infinite, but I don't think this concept was mentioned yet.

Not saying I agree with this, just throwing it out as a possibility to consider!

There was nothing 'superior' in my comment or response. I was neither rude nor condenscending. I merely stated that the two of you respond similarly in this thread:  you both know you are right, you both know the other is wrong, you both address each other in a condescending tone. I found it amusing because I don't think either one of you realised you were doing this...which is evident from your responses.

Everyone sees things differently, especially if you are on the outside looking (like me watching you two go back and forth).

Mentioning similarities between two people is disrespectful??   

I'll leave you two continue.

"beast" is another word for the devil.

I didn't mention a ban nor did I give any warning to you. I merely made an observation -- you and morning_star tend to 'debate' things in a very similar fashion. I simply found it amusing -- that's all.

Actually morning_star I wasn't offended in the least. I found your post condescending and misinformed, which is why I joking threw out the possibility that it could easily be directed at you.

AM made a very good, and accurate, observation: actions speak louder than words.

I think some of what you wrote is possible. I think what you've hinted that you *know* or is *true* is overstated. And before you retort that I'm simply floundering in negativity and close-mindednesss, consider that some here (and many people elsewhere) adhere to the adage: those who talk don't know; those who know don't talk. Silence sometimes speaks louder than words. And often times important points are better understand with very few words.

Change your perception and you can change reality.

Hmm...apparently you didn't notice the quote under each of my posts...