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1  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Is It Possible To Control Your Thinking? on: April 22, 2020, 10:17:18
Just meditate dude, just meditate.
Your mind is too noisy to do anything.

Nobody here can help you until you figure yourself out first.
Most of the greatest discoveries that have come to humanity didn't come about by meditation. But rather by thinkers in the sciences and arts.

I mean don't get me wrong. Meditation is great. Some people benefit from it more than others, but it's only one focus on all that is.

You know I've seriously considered just sacrificing all my time into meditation if we get a UBI universal basic income. But until then I still need to work a job and pay the bills, write books, and discover new and better truths. Perhaps one day I will discover meditation as my best truth. But I'm not there yet, and that is perfectly fine IMO. I have made peace within myself without meditation being front and center.
2  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Is It Possible To Control Your Thinking? on: April 18, 2020, 04:38:12
The word life was never mentioned in the facebook chat. I thought I was talking about "actions," "visualization," and "imagination". I guess "actions" could be considered "life". Anyway we can argue about semantics all day.

I was going to ask - "What do you think of creativity?" But instead I came up with a much more thought provoking response.

I feel like you and perhaps some others here have this idea that meditation will solve the world's problems. I use to have this idea too when I first started learning about meditation and astral projection. But I out grew this naive assumption after a while. First of all I think all the energetic, emotional, traumatic baggage that people gather while being on earth can with time in the afterlife easily pass away and fall off. Thus making meditation only really valuable to de-stresss, or if one reaches energetic salvation or Moksha, which very very few people reach, or perhaps it'd be philosophically, and analytically valuable. IMO certain types of concentration is what solves the worlds problems. I mean we look at all the advancement of human civilization with science, and the arts, it all came down to well placed concentration, and creativity, all of which use the mind. I feel like you don't even think creativity is good. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But IMO creativity is a work of the spirit. It's an almost magical process by which we can synthesize new ideas, technologies, things and liberate us from the mundane. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. LOL just kidding, but seriously I feel like I've almost outgrown my stay here, I mean I feel like I can't even have thought provoking creative, conversations here sometimes. Like I need someone to challenge me. I love constructive criticism with well thought responses.

I know you'll probably say something like "I never said that meditation would solve the worlds problems." Prove me wrong. Maybe I'm misunderstand something, but if you can't even talk to me about some of the most basic spiritual ideas then how I find it hard to believe you'd give a much different answer for even marginally more complex questions about real world issues.
Thanks Karxx Gxx for PMing in response to this message.
3  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Is It Possible To Control Your Thinking? on: April 17, 2020, 21:09:53
You weren't asking about control in regards to thinking... you were asking about control in regards to your LIFE.
There's a massive difference there.  Clarity dude.  It's important.

Anyway... back to the regularly scheduled thread!  Smiley
The word life was never mentioned in the facebook chat. I thought I was talking about "actions," "visualization," and "imagination". I guess "actions" could be considered "life". Anyway we can argue about semantics all day.

I was going to ask - "What do you think of creativity?" But instead I came up with a much more thought provoking response.

I feel like you and perhaps some others here have this idea that meditation will solve the world's problems. I use to have this idea too when I first started learning about meditation and astral projection. But I out grew this naive assumption after a while. First of all I think all the energetic, emotional, traumatic baggage that people gather while being on earth can with time in the afterlife easily pass away and fall off. Thus making meditation only really valuable to de-stresss, or if one reaches energetic salvation or Moksha, which very very few people reach, or perhaps it'd be philosophically, and analytically valuable. IMO certain types of concentration is what solves the worlds problems. I mean we look at all the advancement of human civilization with science, and the arts, it all came down to well placed concentration, and creativity, all of which use the mind. I feel like you don't even think creativity is good. Please correct me if I'm wrong. But IMO creativity is a work of the spirit. It's an almost magical process by which we can synthesize new ideas, technologies, things and liberate us from the mundane. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. LOL just kidding, but seriously I feel like I've almost outgrown my stay here, I mean I feel like I can't even have thought provoking creative, conversations here sometimes. Like I need someone to challenge me. I love constructive criticism with well thought responses.

I know you'll probably say something like "I never said that meditation would solve the worlds problems." Prove me wrong. Maybe I'm misunderstand something, but if you can't even talk to me about some of the most basic spiritual ideas then how I find it hard to believe you'd give a much different answer for even marginally more complex questions about real world issues.
4  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Is It Possible To Control Your Thinking? on: April 15, 2020, 22:25:20
Okay, getting straight to the one question you asked in your discussion title. While there may be some who can control or feel they can control their thinking I am not one of them. My thinker seems to have no shut off switch so in lei of that I have learned to hit the ignore or snooze button.
So then the question that comes to mind is does this affect your free will?

So let's define free will. Now if I Google define free will this is what I get.
Free Will - the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one's own discretion.

But I think this definition of free will isn't the best definition, and here's why. For one to be free in the first place they must be connected to truth, because without truth there is suffering. The Buddha taught us that ignorance and wrong desire is the cause of suffering. So the idea is this, we can't be free unless we believe truth and act on it. If people don't believe truth then they get a worser reincarnation and they suffer a loss. If we believe truth and make life better here for ourselves and others then we are rewarded with a better reincarnation with more truth. The more we believe truth the more free we'll become.

So oddly enough one can't be relatively free without sacrificing first. Think of a doctor that has to go to school to become a physician. So not only is he building up positive karma healing people, he's supporting himself and he's got a lot of choice because he's making 150K a year.

So in order to be free in free will, we must be connected to truth in some way shape or form. And it seems that the more truth/understanding/wisdom/knowledge etc we gain the more we can end our suffering and the suffering of others. Think of an advanced highly evolved civilization. They have refined the truths of reality so much that they don't have violence and there's very little suffering.

So to answer the question does not thinking hinder your free will? Probably yes I'd say, and here's why I think that. A will and truth, are both functions of  the mind, which require thinking to refine and gain more. Also in order to connect to truth you must think, concentrate, use creativity. The end product of a "will" geared toward truth is freedom. Thus free will.

Thoughts?

I wrote all this when I was sleepy, so I hope it all makes sense. LOL

Thanks for chiming in Nameless.
5  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Is It Possible To Control Your Thinking? on: April 15, 2020, 03:20:57
Back to the original topic. I think free will is possible but only if certain psychological and experiential criteria are meet first. Do you's agree? I'd be curious to go into this with yous for feedback.
6  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Is It Possible To Control Your Thinking? on: April 15, 2020, 02:39:49
Now, when comes to creating a guide (book) it is best to come from the author's own experiences, rather than gathered info from different sources and putting things together according to own logic.

It happens everywhere on the planet and it is everywhere the same. One of my greatest teachers keeps on saying that everyone who is repeating/teaching something he or she has read or heard is lying. you can only tell the truth if you have experienced what you are talking about and then you can share your own experience and help others with it.

I have dealt with a deep level of deception and spiritual deception then getting out of that almost all on my own, so therefore I can help others with spiritual deception and getting a mind of their own to help them think objectively and independently about spiritual matters. My compass was self evident truth and my feedback was from objective reality. And the catalyst was my health condition.

Edit Besides it could be argued that doctors don't have to experience what the patient is suffering from to help them. If doctors were afflicted with all the same health conditions that they would treat, we would have no doctors. Their training is mostly done at the psychological, intellectual level too.

Thanks for chiming in.
7  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Is It Possible To Control Your Thinking? on: April 14, 2020, 18:58:53
Plasma, did you learn something over the years being here? Smiley I mean you don't "need" to, not because of that. Everybody is learning something.

Take it a little bit seriously, before Xanth boils up his head lol. You just need to silence your mind to let yourself to concentrate on other things. Focus of attention. Intelligence fails with over-analyzing things at one point so just try it at the being level. I know some people with this too much ego and intelligence and they are hopeless Smiley Maybe it comes from fear of the unknown, it depends on the person.

I try to analyze things too and it is many times a big block. And other times it reveals the problem. It depends on the case.

I'm only just observing the Pulse since a long while because of these pointless chats and dramas which people tend to write out, sharing their beliefs instead of learning more or opening up. Those fricking beliefs all the time, I wonder if anybody learns a thing that way. Literally, in the last years the Pulse started to be like a pithole of beliefs. It was that back then. I guess it all faded away when Frank and some others went away. I mean since that time, what is left is the information which anybody can extract from the forums. And the most are so lazy to do it. The other part is your own experiences, experiments and anything around.

No debate here. But in my opinion building from beliefs won't give knowledge. Then go and believe in a religion! We should learn and educate ourselves. I know that some people will be hurt but I don't care Smiley Respect for the few exceptions.
Before I came to the astral pulse I believed I was deserving of eternal hell. I believed that I was a sinner. It was really bad. I suffered so much because of it. Szaxx knows this, Me and him talked in private messages for months. We talked extensively about my fear of hell. And he really helped me, and I trusted him because he had an experience of going to the bad lands himself. And I really changed my outlook in life. Before I felt trapped by my own beliefs, and my health condition. But I sought after the truth and I found a good piece of that here at the pulse. I actually changed my whole belief structure by what people had to share here. I mean you have no idea how bad I had it. My parents taught us children crazy things. Such as going to college is wrong, and worldly because it's the attainment of worldly knowledge to gain material success. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. Most all of my spiritual growth has been through beliefs, intellect, and ideology. But I have meditated a lot in my past too. So don't think I have no experience with meditation. So I freed myself, so much just working with beliefs, ideas, and intellect.

Also the thing is that I'm not like most people when it comes to the intellect and spirituality. I actually believe that we can figure life and spirituality out in this day and age, well to an extent. I view it like a giant puzzle, and I love it. I believe in this day and age with all the spiritual material out there, it's possible to grow spiritually through the intellect. At the same time, I realize that many people can't do what I do. It's a special niche that I'm good at.
8  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Is It Possible To Control Your Thinking? on: April 14, 2020, 18:18:53
Also I didn't use the word thoughts in our facebook conversation but I was talking about "imagination" and "visualization," which is thoughts.
9  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Is It Possible To Control Your Thinking? on: April 14, 2020, 18:14:01
Dude... my god... first, we never spoke about controlling your thoughts, at all.
and... secondly... *sigh*... never mind.  You really do only hear what you want to hear. 

The only real thing I told you is that YOU THINK TOO MUCH. 
Just STOP EVERYTHING you're doing... you can't even help yourself and you're wanting to write a book on matters of spirituality?!
Forget about writing books dude.  Just MEDITATE.

You're not going to grasp ANYTHING by over analyzing this stuff.  Less is more.

And please, if you're actually going to quote me... QUOTE ME... don't paraphrase.  >_<

You said "And stop thinking you have control over ANYTHING."

It all starts in the mind anyway so yes if I can't control "ANYTHING" that includes thoughts.
10  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Is It Possible To Control Your Thinking? on: April 13, 2020, 16:19:27
On a side note, on some level I believe I'm a very systematic, analytical thinker by the way. So much so that I'm working on writing several books, 2-3 of which will be about spirituality. So your replies will give me food for thought in at least one of my books.
11  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Is It Possible To Control Your Thinking? on: April 13, 2020, 16:13:34
I recently had a conversation with Xanth on facebook and he said we can't control. (Probably thought it was an illusion or something.) But then I promptly asked the question - well do we have free will? He wasn't sure and felt it was a loaded question. But perhaps some of you can have thoughts on this. It's an interesting question because I've heard from meditators and astral projectors often in the past things like all we can do is let go. And control is just an illusion. While many also believe in some form of free will.

When talking about controlling our thinking, the question of free will, and taking control of our destiny comes to mind. I also get the sense from meditators and from astral projectors that it doesn't matter if we can control our thoughts and our destiny because we are all going to the same place in the end anyway, which I disagree with.

But I'd be curious what your thoughts are.
12  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Getting What You Want In Your Next Reincarnation on: February 04, 2020, 01:39:20
Sorry for the late reply, I've been busy driving Lyft trying to catch up.

Great responses from everyone. Funny I asked before about a hierarchy here at astral pulse before and the main response was that there was no hierarchy in the NP, but I thought that was one. And you's just clarified that there was a hierarchy of some sort.

Lumaza, I'm thinking about getting James Schwartz book "One Voice, Sacred Wisdom: Revealing Answers to Some of Life’s Greatest Mysteries from Your Guides, Spirits and Angels"

Thanks everyone for chiming in.
13  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Getting What You Want In Your Next Reincarnation on: January 30, 2020, 01:05:05
Sorry for the late reply.

So you are driven by the belief you reap what you sow in a more obvious manner. Dont abort if you wish not to be aborted type of 'karma'. I personally it is not as systematic as this. You could perhaps be able to work on this beleif, find a more non restricting belief that allows you to be more fluid without the worry of the repercussions generally speaking.

Yeah so as it turns out mentoring children that don't have a mom or dad is a great way to address many of these negative karmas at least indirectly. So I agree with you that supporting let's say anti-violence charity is probably not the best way to tackle violence. The best way to tackle abortion, anger, war, violence, gangs, mental illness, bullying is probably just by mentoring children. Taking time out to help them and show them that someone cares, and there is a path to success. Because an ounce of prevention equals a lb of cure.

Now, you want a certain life after this and have the idea that in order to achieve it x and y must be done. That's fair. But pointing out the fact that experiences keep repeating until 'learned' means there is a way to go about it in order for it to not repeat. And it really is simple as knowing what energy you act out of (which is strongly dictated by beleifs, not always).

You can geniunely want to help someone, but if ALSO you help out of fear that repercussions will be met, etc. then THAT is something you need to learn to fix. Because if you go this whole life trying to live for a future that you are uncertain of, guess what might come back in your next time?

Yeah I do admit that it is coming from a place of fear to some degree on some level. But like I said earlier I think as time goes by while let's say mentoring children that I will grow and change that and turn it into a love based intention. As you may know that "in order to become someone you wish to be, you must act in a somewhat fraudulent manner at first." Otherwise known as "fake it until you make it." So that would be the goal. It's a form of faith really. It's going out on a limb mentally and building a new road into uncharted territory to help others. That may seem scary at first, but then once the road is built many can pass and use it in safety.

And im trying to just talk to you with your own rules. Perhaps you change to where it overcomes this? who knows. Hope for the best though. And if i have any holes, i would like to know.

Yes one possible hole is that we are all evolving forward here on earth as a collective. Which means, sure I and many others might be acting out of fear on some level but we will eventually overcome if we endure until the end, because science and spirituality will eventually merge here. So just because most of society runs off of fear that is fine as long as society is also productive enough to eventually create the science of spirituality in the end. And as far as I can tell this will start happening in about 2050 if my predictions are correct.

It's great this has been your main desire, because it can set you up to learn so much things and lessons ironically.

Yes I am learning more and more about my and others beliefs and thoughts in this post.
14  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Getting What You Want In Your Next Reincarnation on: January 28, 2020, 04:57:00
Up above where I said you only need live, I meant that but what I meant was live as 'you' see fit. If you see fit to save the world, enrich other people's lives, take care of animals, whatever, just do it. Living does not mean ignoring anything. If you feel you need to do the things you stated to improve your karma, do it. There is no one judging you but you.

Everyone has different needs in this physical reality, for some that need IS to be the victim or the one who can ignore the suffering of others. Imagine being so empathic to other people's pain that you can not under any circumstance live a meaningful life. What would the lesson for you be in this frame? I would think that person's lesson would be to learn how to shut off those over reaching emotions and learn how to be happy with and for themselves. That is not an easy lesson.

I don't see ego as being an issue although I know many do. Seems it's a natural and healthy part of existence. Balancing the ego however is something we need all strive for.
Imagine a world without suffering. Sounds nice but is it? If you had only ever known peace, love and exceptional good health how in the world would you relate to people elsewhere who had not?

Agreed
15  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Getting What You Want In Your Next Reincarnation on: January 28, 2020, 02:30:53
Yes, it will help of course, but this is just one small aspect of your learning. Have you learned everything else? can you even comprehend what "everything else" means. Not only from a human perspective in the 21st century, but from many life forms, many characters in many lower dimensions, time periods, planets, etc. Do you see how vast the whole thing is.
OK I see what your saying now. Makes sense and I agree with you in that regard. Look I don't think that me doing a few good works in this one reincarnation is going to get me a space age reincarnation next time. But man I wanna pass as many tests as I can now.
16  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Getting What You Want In Your Next Reincarnation on: January 28, 2020, 02:10:16
Doing all of those things is a noble cause. Doing them because they are or you see them as the right thing to do shows growth. Doing them so you won't have to do them/relive them again is more "egocentric".

The goal would be to start out doing them to get a better reincarnation, but then as time goes by I would move that intention toward genuinely wanting to help the world and people.

I say it that way because I do remember you's saying months ago that intention is everything. And that I shouldn't expect a better reincarnation too. So I do put into practice the things yous tell me.
17  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Getting What You Want In Your Next Reincarnation on: January 28, 2020, 01:50:56
Tests need to be created for us, so we can solve them for learning. Therefore unfortunate events are set up for us to solve them and learn.
OK then wouldn't my method of helping others end suffering be a valid path for me to get get a better incarnation next time because I passed the tests of identifying valid forms of suffering and I helped end it? I don't see what the issue is really.

I even remember Tom Campbell saying something like when you go for your next reincarnation they will look at your life and see where you need help. Like oh look you cut this guy off in traffic and so now you have to work on patience. Or something like that. As if there are very specific things that we must learn to overcome.

18  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Getting What You Want In Your Next Reincarnation on: January 27, 2020, 23:56:18
Just the opposite, but the "you" your character "Plasma" perceives at this time is not the entire "you". Until you comprehend that, you will not be able to understand us.

For example, did Plasma decide in what family to be born. No, that was the decision of the entire "you". Plasma is just a fragment of it that currently sees only through the channel of this particular character. What the entire "you" needs overall for learning and expansion, Plasma does not know. And that is for a purpose that is beneficial for learning on a smaller scale, one lesson at a time. In one life you may seem wise as that character, but in another that wisdom will be irrelevant and it will be blocked from remembrance, again for beneficial purposes, because the new character will have to learn entirely new lines of wisdom from all kinds of perspectives.

As far as creating our reality, absolutely we do, but that as well is not so black and white as just thinking what we want and receiving it. The entire "you" has a saying, that your small "you" in character will not understand. Certain main events are already preset before birth for our characters to experience. We also have subconscious fears that manifest and we don't even realize where these evens came from. So, again...complicated.

Experiences will take you to that understanding one day either in this life or another.
OK so my question is, what is your response to the suffering that goes on in this world? And how do you manifest a future reality where suffering is minimal and people are more evolved?
19  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Getting What You Want In Your Next Reincarnation on: January 27, 2020, 23:48:32
Plasma, I am curious, do you enjoy the challenge of a good argument? undecided

I honestly like a good challenge to my ideas and beliefs so that I can gauge how grounded my thoughts are in reality or if there is room for improvement. I don't think like many people. I actually can change my beliefs if someone provides a good argument.

You show up here about once every 3 or 4 months now. You then ask a question and when people answer it, you rebel/argue against their answers!  huh

Yeah because like I said I want to see if they can poke holes in my idea. I wanna see how strong their arguments are.

From what I have been shown and what has come to be my truth, you are talking through "ego". Not that you are being egotistical. But, our true consciousness does not "think" the way our physical selves do. Things like positive and negatives, good and evil, even hot or cold don't equate to the higher self, There just "is". There is just "experiences". That is what this whole physical Earth school does for us.
 Our physical forms/limbs/senses give us the opportunity to experience things that our consciousness alone can't.

Yeah this might be my ego talking but in my experience ego can teach us a lot of things. Arguing and debate teaches a lot of things if ones underlying intention is to get down to the bottom of the truth. Which mine is.

The good, the bad, the ugly. Those are all necessary. That's the way we learn what we came to learn. I feel it's the way that we handle and confront those experiences that shows how we are evolving as a "being".

So how did you confront and handle the common pitfalls and suffering that is in the world today?

That's what Lightbeam and Nameless have been attempting to explain to you. It's hard for you to understand this, I know it is. It was hard for me as well. But somewhere along the line I finally "got it". I could finally understand what was being portrayed to me. When I finally understood it, I was taken back for about a month. It was like I was in shock.
Well maybe I'll come to that realization too.
20  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Getting What You Want In Your Next Reincarnation on: January 27, 2020, 11:52:20
Nameless and LightBeam

I'm assuming that you's don't believe that we reap what we sow then. And we don't create our own reality either. And you may not believe in free will either.

I think the higher evolved we are the more specific the lessons become. As a relatively highly evolved being myself I think that we are to find specific things that we must do to either help end suffering in the world, or add value to others lives. I made a list of the top things that I think I should support.

Here they are.
1. Prevent Gangs By Mentoring Children - So that I don't end up in a fatherless house.
2. Support pro-life in Abortion - So that I'm not aborted.
3. Prevent Mental Illness - So that I don't have to reincarnate with people with a family history of mental illness.
4. Prevent Anger/War/Violence - So that I won't have to reincarnate with a father that has gone to war.
5. Prevent Bullying - So that I won't have a school where bullying is common.
6. Support Doctor Assisted Suicide - So that I won't have to deal with a undignified death.
7. Help people discover their life purpose. - So that I will be given a good path a reincarnation full of opportunities.
Etc etc

Why? Because we reap what we sow. Don't we?

It seems to me that what your saying is that we are suppose to be on autopilot and just experience.

You's seem to be taking the very long route to growth. In my experience it's people that love others with deep passion by ending suffering in this world and add meaning to  others lives that get on the fast track to salvation. The more responsibility for others we take on in this life the more we are given in our next life. The more opportunity we offer others the more opportunity we get in the future.
21  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Getting What You Want In Your Next Reincarnation on: January 27, 2020, 07:20:50
You as this character can't realize what the higher aspect of the spirit needs for further learning.

By that logic we I'd aswell give up then. There would be purpose in growing spiritually if we can't find our souls purpose. Right?

Am I missing anything?

I mean there has to be a way to learn and grow spiritually to find our souls purpose. I think it's that we are to help end suffering in the world and add meaning to peoples lives. That is a universal truth of all good religions.

As long as I follow those guidelines I can't see why I can't help guide my own destiny.

I don't mean to come across as a know it all, I just want to see if anyone can poke a whole in my idea of growth.
22  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Getting What You Want In Your Next Reincarnation on: January 27, 2020, 00:38:06
So I got this idea. It's that in order to get the type of next reincarnation you want you must support for the things you want in your current incarnation to have them in your next reincarnation. And you must work against the things you don't want in this incarnation so you don't have to deal with it in your next reincarnation. Is that true? I mean I can't see how it would be any other way really. We reap what we sow. Am I missing anything? Thanks.
23  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Can I find my deceased brother when I die? on: August 27, 2019, 10:11:17
Thanks to everyone that chimed in. It's a lot of food for thought for me.
24  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Storm area 51 on: August 23, 2019, 05:47:40
I watched the Bob Lazar documentary. Good stuff actually and he comes across as very believable.

The question would be less could Columbus make a copy and more would he know what to do with it if he did.
good I'm glad somebody got something out of those videos I posted.
25  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Storm area 51 on: August 23, 2019, 01:16:20
On Bob Lazar , I dont know what to think . With out him most people would not know about area 51 .  He said he had all kind of phy. deg.s . Stanton Friedman asked him some high school stuff and he could not answer him .  I have been as far as Las Vegas NV , but as far north as area 51 .  The closest town is Rachel . As I understand it the meeting place for this event, if any thing does happen . I can see small gift shops selling out quickly .  This may turn in to a buring man kind of event rather a storm down the fence and get killed event .  Some claim there astral guards at area 51. I think we have discussed them hear .  On reverse eng. , lets say you gave Columbus a nuc. aircraft carrier, lots of money and time . Do you think he could make a copy ?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Lazar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanton_T._Friedman
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rachel%2C_Nevada
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_Man
No as a matter of fact it was said in one of the interviews that they put away the technology for years until there is some kind of breakthrough in the real world. Then they cover it back up, and put it away. Also Bob Lazar worked at S4 miles away from area 51.
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