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1  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Got the vib on: September 21, 2016, 03:05:14
Yup, another boring post about SP/Vib state.  I seem to get to this point pretty easily. Like many it used to scare the crap out of me.  That I've overcome, but find myself having a hard time "getting out".

A typical experience for me is to wake up into the vibrational state, feeling all the normal things, becoming aware of what is happening, and then just pooping out.  Yes, I've read all the techniques of exiting, and even have projected a few times completely, but my control during this state is poor at best.  I'd say that most of the time I even forget a particular technique, and so trying it is not an option.  I usually end up just trying to will myself out, even yelling things like "out of my body", "I want out", etc.

Following that I will eventually fall asleep and quickly go into hypnogogic imagery which sometimes even leads to low level states of lucid dreaming.  This process can happen several times in one night.

Thoughts of overcoming this impasse?  Is this just a matter of lack of discipline?
2  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Labeling Experiences of the Non-Physical on: September 21, 2016, 02:54:55
Interesting.  Assuming we are consciousness experiencing various levels of lucidity, where does the waking state fit in?  Just another level of consciousness?  If so, extending that further, a different level of lucidity?

My interest here is not in more labeling, but rather what is the relationship between "physical" and "nonphysical" states of consciousness?  It seems that all the techniques of attaining lucidity while not fully awake ("non-physical awareness") are just a means of attaining control of consciousness in the same manner as we naturally do (well, truth is we learned that too) when awake ("physical awareness").  Seen this way, consciousness is a continuum regardless if you are awake or asleep.

I find this notion very exciting since it leads to the inevitable conclusion that we are always "dreaming" or "projecting", whether we're aware of it or not. 

This in turn begs the question, if we are to use techniques to ground lucidity during sleep, doesn't it make sense to use them during wakeful states as well?  To push this further, control of "nonphysical" lucidity and "physical" lucidity seem directly linked - one mirrors the other.  More control in daily life will lead to more control in "dreams".
3  Astral Chat / Welcome to Members Introductions! / I'm back on: September 04, 2016, 16:46:05
Not that I was ever a heavy poster, but back in 2009 I was an active member.  I fell out out doing OBE and lucid dreaming practice, and recently felt like I'd like to get back into actively honing my attention.  Life is a lot more interesting when I'm focused on the non-physical side of life.  It's good to be back.
4  The Astral Library / Welcome to Writers Corner! / Summer Visions on: September 04, 2016, 16:41:00
I hope this doesn't violate any rules, but here's a video I made this summer.  It is based on experiences I've had throughout my life via lucid dreaming, OBEs, spontaneous vision, and yes, even sacred plants.  I hope you enjoy it.

Vision Quest - Summer Bike Ride

5  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Talking to people about astral projection on: April 13, 2010, 01:05:41
I agree that taking about lucid dreaming is OK while OBEs usually scare people.  Here in Japan there is a strong tradition of ghosts and folks are really freaked by them.  Anything that smacks of that will turn them off quick.  Bottom line is that if a person doesn't have any first hand experience with something this "far out", then you might as well be talking to a wall.  I tell my girlfriend about my experiences and she is accepting of them, but she really doesn't get what I'm talking about either. Her responses usually are, "but did that really happen or were you just imagining it?" or she simply says, "that is scary!"
6  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Starting the search on: April 12, 2010, 01:21:52
Such an experience is very personal, so it is hard to comment specifically.  I have gone through the experience of losing my father though and I too had cathartic dreams about him.  He died one of those ugly hospital deaths, hooked up to machines, etc.  The last time I saw him in this world he was essentially almost dead.  He couldn't talk because of all the tubes in mouth (one for a respirator and another was feeding tube).  I just spoke to him and he looked dazed and then really terrified and then he would cry.  To this day I cannot express in words the emotions I had that last meeting.

Some weeks later I began to have lucid dreams about him.  At first they started out as typical fear imagery - I was in a house that was burning down, alarms going off, and I could here my father screaming, etc.  That phase lasted for about a month.  I'd have dreams about 3 times a week of this sort.  The 2nd month the dreams morphed into pleasant ones and became a bit more infrequent.  He and I would meet in a beautiful natural place or some interesting context.  I even remember hunting dinosaurs with him in one dream.  This phase went on for another couple months.  Then one day he came up to me and said something I didn't expect.  He said, "I have to go soon.  I can't stay here anymore."  A couple dreams later he expressed the same thought and followed it up with, "you have to let me go now.  Don't worry, I'm OK, in fact I feel great.  Let me go."  That was the last time I saw him in a dream for many years.  This process took around three months in total and I had many dreams in this sequence, but I didn't remember them all very well.

Was this all just a matter of me "playing with my mind"?  Maybe.  I do know that my father was the one true love of my life, he was not just the man, he was the one, period.  I like to think that connection is what caused those dreams, not some silly mind stuff.  Knowing that he was OK allowed me to let him go eventually.

Please do post any other experiences you have with your dad.  I wonder if he will fill your dreams like my dad did mine.
7  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Sleep Paralysis, Suffocation? on: April 09, 2010, 23:02:00
I've had that sensation before as well.  I think you'll be fine, just keep exploring it.  If you find yourself waking up in the night in a flash and sweating, you might want to see a doc to insure you don't have sleep apnea.  I too have to sleep on my side or stomach (not so comfortable), or I'll snore my brains out!  I remember at the beginning of this practice I kept waking up from hearing my snoring, but after a while I go used to that even. cheesy
8  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Ever met someone in the astral who committed suicide? on: April 09, 2010, 22:41:44
Committed suicide when they were still living and you met them on the astral, to elaborate. Did they regret it? I heard they go to a limbo state or something.

I thinking about suicide myself but that's another subject.

Ditto for me, never met anybody on the other side who killed themselves, but here in this reality I'm close to two people who have a history with trying.  Both had multiple incidents, but never quite could finish the deed.  I'm not sure why they couldn't, but at the last moment they both said that it felt "wrong".  I think the idea, "don't go where you're not wanted" applies well.  We each have a time to die, so let that be, you'll get there.  I believe the statement that there are fates worse than death, and suicide likely is one of them.

9  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Will death be easy for us? on: April 08, 2010, 07:23:35
The concept of an afterlife is somewhat selfish, no?

Not if everything/everybody is included! grin

Perhaps the most fascinating aspect of having an OBE is the loss or lessening of the fear of death.  Until I had my first one, this notion was just an abstract idea, but now it is a living feeling.  I cannot account for this and so I simply accept it.  The point is that death definitely isn't the fearful thing that I was taught to believe, but rather something else, something very unexpected, and yes, even unknown.  The issue here is losing the fear of the unknown.

See you on the other side!
10  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Porn destructive? on: April 02, 2010, 00:09:43
During a lecture one "spiritual person" once advised our group, focusing obviously on the males, "If you really want sex then don't beat your meats, go find a hole."  This was in response to a man asking the very same question posed here, and yes, this person was a female.

Tough to generalize since each person is different, but the old saying about moderation being the key to health and happiness seems to be wise advice.  Again, I have to emphasize that porn and sex don't have a one to one relationship in my mind.  When I have sex with my girlfriend I don't consider it pornographic, but rather loving, and god forbid, even a bit lusty at times.
11  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: A cartoon OBE and AP fans can enjoy! on: April 02, 2010, 00:00:04
Asi, thanks man (or woman)!  That was fun.  It was a great piece and reminds me how I do love Japanese culture.
12  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Do you ever confuse real life with astral projection? on: March 31, 2010, 02:33:18
Have you ever confused a dream with real life?
I sure have...

That just happened to me last night.  I realized that I was in a dream after "flying" in a car to a resort hotel.  I turned to my girlfriend and said, "am I awake right now?"  She just looked at me confused, so I asked again, this time a bit more earnestly, and still she didn't respond, but got a worried look on her face like I was acting crazy.  At that moment I really couldn't tell if I was awake or in a dream...they seemed to be identical experiences!
13  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: She grabbed me by the arm! on: March 31, 2010, 02:00:59
So, if I'm reading this correctly, perhaps I'm too depressed, upset, and trying too hard in normal life to have a higher level projection?  Interesting.  Certainly I can see the relationship between the waking state and other states of being, but is it necessarily so one to one?  In other words, if I were a depressed and upset person in this reality frame then must I be so in other frames as well?

Concerning the difference in my dreaming state and projections, I'm still a bit confused about the extremely different perspectives.  I dream a lot - every night - and mostly these are interesting and sometimes delightful experiences.  On the other hand my projections are few - maybe I've only had a handful of them so far - and I have purposely tried to induce them, though some have come spontaneously during this "effort" period (the last 6 months only).  So the question is, if a dream is "in my head" only and AP is "really out there", then why such a big difference in my experiences?  Is this strictly due to daily life - moods, habits, energy level, preoccupations, etc. - or maybe I'm just not a very good projector, that is, I haven't found the right doorway yet?

Please do keep the input coming, it is interesting and useful.  Thanks!
14  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Need help? on: March 26, 2010, 11:45:57
I agree those sound like hypnagogic visions.  They are a herald of sorts of what is to come.  Sometimes I can "get into one" and it becomes more real and stable.  If you can stabilize it and start moving around in there, then I think you've gone beyond a simple hypnagogic image.  I've managed to do this a few times, but I usually lose my attention after some time.  I remember clearly one I had a few weeks back where I saw an ally with lots of street vendors.  Something caught my attention in the scene and at that precise moment the whole thing became more real instead of evaporating or changing into something else.  Then I thought of a woman and suddenly there was one right next to me.  She leaned over and asked me a question - at this point it felt really real, but I didn't have the chance to answer since her presence shocked me and the scene was swept away...
15  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: a bad experience , wondering why? on: March 24, 2010, 09:37:19
Naomi, obviously that man must have been me since he was so devastatingly gorgeous  rolleyes grin

OK, kidding aside cheesy I understand your discomfort at being touched in the first place regardless of this being's intention.  I was pulled down by a hand into my bed just the other night into another dimension - I don't have to tell you I was very surprised!  The overall feeling I had about the rest of the experience was pretty dark and I suppose that was due to my perception of it rather than anything inherently negative about the experience.  I have been touched on many occasions, usually cold hands pulling on a leg or arm and the classic "sitting on the chest" feeling, but never has anything tried to have sex with me.  I suspect that you need to decide that this being can't hurt you before you can move on. 

Don't feel bad though, just one night after having been pulling through my bed I found myself yelling in my sleep at a presence in the room with me just before waking.  In truth it seemed like a neutral entity, kind of like a shark circling around for a look, but I was so frightened that I screamed at it repeatedly.  My screams eventually woke me up.  Guess I've got some fears to work through myself!
16  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: She grabbed me by the arm! on: March 22, 2010, 23:00:53
Grey and Meta, I think I did ask questions to the boy, but for the life of me I don't remember the exchange.  In my OBE attempts over the last 6 months fear hasn't been a very strong emotion, that is, I've managed to keep my emotions under control.  Having said that, they mostly remain dark and pretty low energy.  Only twice did they feel creepy and this last one was one of them. I will continue to work with whatever I find there and I really want to remember to use affirmations more - I am quite groggy in that state, fully awake, but groggy and I forget most of the time that I have the power to change my vibrational state - a real catch 22.  BTW, I don't remember ever having been to that place.
17  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: She grabbed me by the arm! on: March 21, 2010, 05:27:34
Thanks for the response.  I've been purposely trying astral projection since last September.  Lucid dreaming for many years longer.  I too have heard that early on projectors find themselves stuck on the lower astral, especially the RTZ, often not getting beyond their bedrooms for the first few months or even longer.  I just wanted to hear what long term projectors thought about "my problem" and possible solutions.
18  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / She grabbed me by the arm! on: March 20, 2010, 13:01:04
Odd little projection last night.  I woke into a trance - no vibrations as such, but I was fully in "mind awake, body asleep".  I remember thinking, "I really want to get out this time", so instead of waiting for the separation process to begin, I simple asked for assistance.  I yelled, "take me out of here!"  At that an actual hand came out from under the bed, grabbed me by the wrist and literally pulled me bodily downward through the futon and into another level below.  Needless to say I wasn't expecting that!  I found myself next to this woman - it was dark and hard to see her face clearly and her hair was pulled somewhat over her face anyway.  She immediately began to profess her deep love for me and that worried me a bit - it was like she knew me for a long time and I hadn't a clue who the hell she was.  Then she moved away from me.  At that moment I noticed how dark this new level was, almost black, but I could see everything.  Then a boy showed up, maybe around 10 years old.  He said several things to me, but I don't remember what exactly.  At this point I began to feel uncomfortable.  The surroundings were gloomy - from what I could tell I was in a house and the boy and the woman were related, perhaps mother and son.  The whole feeling turned decidedly depressing, like these people were really unhappy.  They weren't threatening, just unhappy.  I felt a strong desire to leave, so I yelled, "go through the ceiling".  My first try I failed and the boy said loudly, "he's trying to go through the ceiling again!"  The next time I was successful and found myself back in my bed, but I fell asleep almost immediately.

Couple things; when I project I always seem to end up in dark places or in worlds of twilight (RTZ?).  When I have lucid dreams it is quite different, usually those places are very interesting and full strange and wonderful beings, guides, amazing landscapes, even "heavenly" realms.  So what gives here?  Why are my projected experiences so dark while my other dreamed experiences just the opposite?  Thoughts?
19  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Vibrations? on: March 18, 2010, 08:47:08

So i have a question here, what if instead of sleeping i could use a brainwave generator and artificially induce delta waves? If i do that then isn't the WBTB a redundant process?

Ah, not a clue, sorry!  I just use the natural method.

I've been trying to deepen my concentration(i am sure that we are talking about the same thing(?)) ever since i was a kid. I am fairly fair at it nowadays. Although there are a few things that turn me up and a few things that turn me down. Meditation is a practice that's in between for me, it conjures neither hot nor cold. Well, dunno, if all else fails i might take up on that advice. It's just that i want to focus on the thingie i REALLY want to experience, and that is an Out of Body experience. Been wanting that for AGES.

For me a lot of learning to concentrate has been about reining in the monkey mind - that part that won't shut up.  Meditation has definitely helped with that effort.  A clearer mind has also made concentration in general easier for me, and so going into a trance.  Now if I could only get better at separating from my body!

Well, please allow me to tell you a few things about fear that you might or might not be aware of. Fear is NOT a product of logic. You cannot tell a person to stop fearing something, because it is physiologically impossible for one to go beyond fear using logic. The only thing you can really do is grow courage(or a sense of adventure as i like to call it), and act while you still are afraid.  I have recently read a neurology book that mentions exactly that. I think the same applies here. In order to go beyond your fear you have to cross it. So i guess that summarizes it.

You'll get no argument from me about trying to logically deal with fear.  I passed through my fear of the vibrational state and all those hallucinations by simply realizing what was going on.  Very quickly I got beyond the fear simply because I knew what I was facing.  I also think that my other spiritual practices (including meditation) have helped me deal with a bunch of my overall fear and this has also helped me deal with the vibrational state jitters.  Before I knew about sleep paralysis, it used to scare the poop out of me!
20  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Vibrations? on: March 17, 2010, 04:02:16
First, I'd like to say that CFTraveler's observations all ring true.  Nice detail and depth too, thanks for that!

To answer your questions Koyaanisqatsi (great movie, BTW):

First of all, what is a WBTB situation?

It is the acronym for Wake Back To Bed.  The basic idea is to sleep long enough to give your body an adequate delta wave deep sleep and then wake up for a while, hopefully near a REM cycle, and then go back to bed and use your visualization methods and so on to enter a trance and hopefully an OBE or lucid dream.  You have to figure out the best time for you since each person has different needs.  For me, about 4 hours of sleep is perfect.  I wake by alarm of course and then meditate for a half hour or so.  Another option is to listen to a binaural beat recording.  Then I go back to bed in full awareness, but also in a half trance already.

I have to say i have never tried to do meditation. It has always seemed to be pointless to me. Although i understand the concept of energy work i figured it would be a lot cooler if i could get out of my body and go somewhere.

Meditation is a practice of focus, and focus is critical in attempting an OBE as far as I can tell.  I too used to think that mediation did nothing for me (actually that is it's major point, to not do).  I learned early on that practicing it alongside physical energy work made both more effective.  By practicing meditation you can enhance your ability to enter trance states, find mental and physical blocks in your mind/body, and also learn to balance your energy.  I've never actually projected from sitting meditation (my preferred stance), but I've had some pretty amazing hypnagogic imagery and sounds.  You have to practice it like any other discipline to find what it can do for you.  Soon it will become as easy as falling off the proverbial log.

Now as far as the other sensations are concerned, i have experienced Heart pounding, noises(but not internal, instead i hear noises in my room when i practice, they always scare the crap out of me, but they always are something normal(i.e. my air condition cooling off, making noises from the temp difference that sort of stuff).), no touching, falling i have encountered oftentimes during my sleep. I get the sensation that i am falling eternally and then suddenly i wake up. Floating now i have never experienced.

These all are common symptoms of "the vibrational state" and my opinion it is best not to fight them or put any negative spin on them.  The heart pounding can be a result of being really afraid and having your physical heart actually going like mad, or it can just be another "phantom" sensation like the sounds you're hearing (please don't ask me about the heart chakra on this one).  Don't worry, they will pass, or you'll learn a way around fearing them.  The big trick is to not fear what happens during the transition - the more you resist, the more likely those sensations will amplify or keep you stuck.  When I get uncomfortable in there I laugh or simply flow with whatever is happening.  I don't think anyone has ever died from them, so fear not! I would add that vibrations are very gentle anymore for me, soothing really, not the violent ones I used to have when I was younger.
21  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Vibrations? on: March 16, 2010, 09:14:35
Perhaps too much is made about "vibrations".  For me they are a gentle thing anymore, but when I was younger they were intense - like an earthquake and often strongly in my head, etc.  They were scary and almost painful even.  Take them as a herald of a change in awareness.  I use them as a marker - the jump off point.  To induce them from a straight waking state is very difficult for me.  I get them usually in a WBTB situation or spontaneously when I wake in the night.  They are unmistakable though - very different from other sensations I get when going into a light trance, say during meditation.  As for the other sensations you may get together with the "vibes" - increased heart beat, noises, touching, falling/floating sensations - that is all potentially a part of the transition state and should simply be accepted, not fought against, IMO.
22  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Porn destructive? on: March 15, 2010, 04:42:15
Is it possible in AP to think about a supermodel, have her appear and then have sex with her??

That be really cool if it were possible  evil

Only if you can visualize her perfectly and not get too excited such that you wake up  rolleyes
23  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Porn destructive? on: March 15, 2010, 03:10:32
Twice a day will cause hair growth on the palms of your hands. Beware.

I heard that is only true if you masturbate directly with your hands.  So find something or preferably someone to rub up against instead... cheesy

Honestly though, take a look at the original question - is PORN destructive.  Personally, having seen porn for decades now, I'd say that much of today's porn has bad intent.  I won't go into the details, but if you've watched any, you'll know what I mean.  Back in the day, a lot of porn was just people having sex in a natural manner, but now violence and fetishism seems to predominate - not very sexy IMO, just about control and power issues in the end.  Truth is, a great deal of porn is not about sex. is fine in moderation, but porn?  Hmm...
24  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Frequency / Density on: March 12, 2010, 09:39:36

7th Density - Lightbody [Pleiadians are up here]

6th Density - Mental  [single bug mind is here, animal oneness, human minds also are here but all separate not oneness]

5th Density - Angelic Beings [Blue light body] First experience with infinite Love of the universe. ArchAngels. Blue shield, divine space that we own as soul, and no one else can touch it.

4th Density - Ghosts, Astral entities, Animals are grouped also. UFOs, Upper side has many humans enveloped in emotion. Lower side is the Grays territory.

3rd Density - Physical body 7 chakra inside the body. All animals and humans are separate beings here. Animals do not bring heart emotion or grudges down here. Humans do.

Interesting post - thanks!  These levels are verified by your personal experiences?  For instance, how do you know that the single bug mind is in the 6th density?  I'm not trying to be a wise guy here, I'm actually interested in your findings and how you verify them.
25  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Help? please on: March 11, 2010, 10:30:58
Congrats on the very interesting journey and thanks for the read, it was fun.

If that had happened to me, I would have thought OBE rather than a LD.  I've had OBEs into the RTZ and then had them turn into dream-like sequences, sometimes with false awakenings or just LDs subsequent to falling asleep again.  How the heck can you separate all that out I wonder?
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