This is an idea popularised by Art Bell, I believe he has a book called "The Quickening" which goes into this and other "earth ascension changes" in some degree of depth.

Could be tricky to seperate this concept from the consequences of getting older  - not to mention effects like diet, length of daylight, % time in certain activities, etc etc.

Late reply, I know.

To contact your higher self, just say Hi. It would be impossible to seperate you from your higher self, as this is the core of your essence. Direct your mind and spirit upwards and go for it, you will never be ignored.

Yeah cant really recommend any particular drippy candles, magick circles or arcane spell books to assist you sorry :p.

Stookie... I am so jealous 

.... oh and CFTraveler - fantastic point of view, I have never heard it before, very interesting. Thanks for posting.

Few points

It would seem to me that if demons or what ever did exist, that those of us who do haeling and are following a more spiritual path etc would be a threat to thier cause, and as such as such we would be prime targets. I think there is enough diffulcty in this physical world to just live prosper and enoy our selves, with out the help of demonic enteties, thats where I believe the fine balance lies that Rob was pointing out, right here, in our minds. two cents any way God bless M x

Yup, thats true, and it happens. However, there is also the premise that "the most clever thing the devil did was convince mankind he did not exist". So both point of view have some truth, as is often the case.

Lol Rob the first bit of your reply sounds aptly like a bit of your "intellectual masterbation" that you were telling us about, and its never wise asume anything!
I base my open minded views on personal expirience and learning, and dont pressume to know the answer, the evidance I have expirienced has led me to my belliefs.
So these demons you have had first hand expirience of, what did they look like?

When I say intellectual masturbation I am talking about building castles in the sky, ie basing your beliefs upon a lack of evidence, pure speculation, and lets not forget pre-existing desires to believe the world works in a certain way eh? I have no need to do this with respect to negs etc. It is possible that I am wrong about where you are coming from, if so sorry, but I doubt I am.
What do they look like? Well I have never met a "demon" I dont think, but lesser negative entitie(s) yes. That depends only on how they want to present themselves, as Enoch said, and is somewhat irrelevant. However for me they were once like shadows in the pitch black, once like a very black figure standing at the bottom of my bed, etc etc. I have met other people with similar experiences who told me about them with little prompting, and others who talk about similar things ie spiders snakes etc etc - and IMO the collective consciousness argument does not cut it even close.

I don't like watching negative movies or even news report too much, but some people thrive on that stuff....  How much you wanna bet the person that thrives on that, is the one having "problems" with demons?

Wouldnt bet too much if I were you, I only just got a TV the other day (literally) and way prefer uplifting movies to the dark ones. Oh, and martial arts  .

Well said Enoch, this stuff does crop up in every religion. The other day I saw a hindu painting with angels in it, it was breathtakingly beautiful.

Rob

Demons only exist if fancyiful minds. Can any one evidance any different?

Oh I could provide a whole host of experiences I have had, some subtle and some less so, with negative entities, as well as with a number of other classes of entities, some experiences relating to me some also involving other family members and obvious physical effects on me and them. But I doubt it would count for much in your mind, besides I've said it all before on these forums. I will also assume then that your opinions are based upon just that and not experience. You seem a little too keen to bring things down to intellectual arguments.

However, I will say that it is the height of arrogance to presume anything about what may or may not exist in the universe based upon the argument that "God created it". It presumes an understanding of the mind of God, and a similar level of omniscience would be required just so say what has has never existed or happened on this planet.
However, if you want to get into intellectual debate on this subject, why should demons not exist, given that psychopaths, murderers and rapists exist in the physical? Its really not such a jump.

Mate, its a bloody enormous and excessively complex universe out there!!! Dont get caught in little man thinking of "I think its like this that etc this is possible this is not blah blah blah". I once heard the term "intellectual masturbation" applied to this sort of thinking, and I think it is apt  . IMO its probably an unwise thing to do for ascended masters let alone us inexperienced little children, but hey I guess it leads to learning so go ahead and knock yourself out! Yeah suppose I have probably been down similar roads in the past so I do understand the desire to quantify and specify as much of the universe as you can. Just please do bear in mind that yours and mine are at best educated guesses, especially when it comes to such vast subjects as the one you are tackling (ie the structure and possibilities of the universe)

<grins>

Rob

Hey Bounda,

Thanks for giving it a go Guess I gave a bit of a tricky task especially if you didnt understand me! It is cool but not exactly me sorry amte  If you do want to give it another go then hey we can discuss, but I understand if not - PM me about it!

Btw I love the way you claim to be "just a kid". I dont know why, but there is a lot of power in that which I cant really put my finger on.

Cheers!

Rob

Hey Bounda!

Well, for a kid of 14, you are pretty sharp on the graphics 
And hey, I would love a sig! Since I got my name changed to Rob now (woot!), I can concievably use the same name I now use in online gaming (EVE Online FTWZOR!!!!) which is.... MastaRob !!!! (ftw)
So, what ya say??
OK, the next bit might seem a bit self-indulgent. So for for anyone apart from Bounda - you've been warned!
If all is cool, could you do one for me with the same sort of effects you employed so successfuly in that other pic I adored on your other thread??!! General description - the Masta and Rob bits in different shades or something, so the Rob stands out (blue-white perhaps)? The smoky effects could billow to the sides over obscured dark background scenes, dunno whatever you reckon is best hehe, and make it ever so slightly brooding lol. And mebbe with some spiky blond haired fellow in it with kinda crazy blue/green eyes, whoever that might be a reference to <whistles something tuneless and stares at ceiling  >.
That be awesome  Go hog wild I am sure it will be awesome!

Very impressed you are offering this btw! And very curious, if you take me up on it, how it turns out
How DID you make that other image, out of interest???

Cheers!!!

Rob

OMG Selski, exactly what I was thinking. Infact since going to the site advertised I am still trying to pick bits of carrot from my keyboard  hehehehe

OK OK I joke, (yeah, there were some good belly laughs in there as well  ), and sorry if you read this and take offence "wisdom". But I do find it all (avatar and "great green broom" most definately included) somewhat hard to take seriously....

That the point though, innit? Adopted arguments, generally people take them on because you want them to be true, and feel confortable with them, not because any evidence past the extremely flimsy points to them being true.
The same could be said of most of societies beliefs. E.g. people believe that the psychical is rubbish because they feel secure in group mindset, and then have an animalistic target which allows them to put themselves, psychologically speaking, on a higher level than people who believe in such things (TV plays on this biiig time). Pack thinking. Its not that they have any knowledge of the subject at hand.
Which I kinda why I think adopting beliefs is....unwise. Sorry but I think this is important and is why I am saying it so bluntly.
Which is related to why I asked in my last post. I'd like to know, is there evidence, is just more absorbing based on wishful thinking?
(in a nice way!)
(btw I aint calling people who absorb the beliefs being discussed about life planning etc animalistic and brute, just illustrating another mechanism through which the belief absrobtion process occurs and the disastrous consequences it can have at impeding the growth of knowledge)

No.  Jokes are jokes.  Talismans are talismans.  The way language works is that there are separate words for separate things and concepts

Thanks Holmes, cleared a lot up for me that did 

Now, human beings are not computers.  Human beings are spiritual/psychological Beings.

If you observe your mind for long enough, you will notice that subconscious to conscious prompting is nothing more than a learned response from decisions taken over time and external pressures absorbed through internal processes (imagination etc). And given that the majority of human decisions rely on this prompting combined with personal/animal/spiritual desires, as well as a good proportion of other mechanisms (insecurity etc), well it kinda strips the decision making process down to basics. Try it.
IMO the Human Being is a combined creature of flesh and spirit.

The appropriate Talisman may be all it takes to render a catalytic transformative Event in their psychological underpinning.

Yeah well, a catalytic transformation triggered by something simple eh? The person who is being changed needs to be right on the cusp of changing for that to work. It could be triggered by anything - a sunset, birds wheeling across the sky, the tear on a childs face. In other words, not necessarily by some Christian trinklet, and if by that, then also quite easily by a thousand other things.

Generally speaking relationships, offspring, jobs, homes and death are already taken care of as part of your earthly path.

Out of curiousity, what do you base this upon?
Ya know, I could believe it possible that we are maybe suppose to do some things. However, given my own life experience, it would appear that even if this is the case, it doesnt always work out.
However, TBH I am more interested in how you justify that argument. Heard it a lot you see, not ever heard anything to back it up tho... go on, suprise me 

Rob

Ahh mate, your anime ones are ok to kinda cool (5-7 for me mostly - hey, I've been spoiled on anime  ) - but that last one? Now thats properly original, really well done, and I love the effects you have employed - it all works really well. Think I'll give it a 9, cos I am stingy! OK OK maybe a 9.5 then.... 

Errr, huh???!! (on many different levels  ).

OOooOOoooh where to start lets seeee...

OK last first - Romero de Cunha - forget the guy, OK? There have been other threads about him recently and he is not all he claims to be. But he is not, and nor has to to be my knowledge, ever claimed to come from any Christian point of view!
As for the miraculous medal, I say again, HUH?! I do hope that was a joke....or some sort of clever psychology (oops did I blow it?!)

Now, to the meat of the first post:

Your offer of $30K makes me more than uneasy. Oooh I am so temped to delete your post but since there is a tiny tiny fraction of me which thinks a part of you may actually be looking for help (even given that I doubt you have any intention of paying), think I will reply instead (please dont argue it, OK? I guess you could be some tycoon with more money than sense, but otherwise, do please be so kind as to get real!).

Let me just say this first - you will not get a decent exorcist simply by offering $30K, quite quite the opposite. Second - if you really have spent all the $ and had no success, there are two possibilities:
a) They were not really exorcists (given that you had to pay them at all, this is likely).
b) You have made little effort to change yourself for the better. My understanding of the attachment process is that if you are not ready for such a disconnect, ie you have no even attempted to purify yourself in mind body and spirit, even a small - no wait, not even an enormous 5 million man strong army of the worlds most powerful shamans/practitioners/exorcists/etc aint going to be able to do squat, cos even if they remove it, you are still wide open with all the flaws, energetic holes, or "attachment points" that allowed attachment to continue in the first place. So it'd just come back, or something else would, and the only result would be a big hole in your bank balance.
Regular meditation, practicing magick, (eg LBRP), exercising, good healthy food, positive introspection and searching, keeping a clean house and out of the company of bad people, etc etc is where you need to start, not just going to "healer" and expecting them to wave a magickkkal wand and for all your problems to simply poof! and dissapear.
Once you've done all the above, then you might want to tentatively search for a practitioner. Just be careful when you do ok? I've heard the difficult ones are hard to find, and are not always what you expect. I know the most holy man I have even met was in the last place I would have looked, but thats life. Remember the good ones tend to be more modest...
And please dont ever try and offer 30K again!! Hehehe the real ones will run from you and the fakes will grab you by the throat and start sucking..

Sorry to be so blunt but hey, tough love  . I think you understand.

OK with the destiny Vs free Will argument - Spawn you have already touched upon how I would solve that one. But first - what you say about there being no time in the higher dimensions, I am not sure if that is entirely it, its more that time has less meaning, and its only until you get the highest ultimate dimension that there is no time, whatsoever, nor any individuality etc. Well thats how I see it, and it helps answer this argument for me.

If, on the highest dimension, there is no time, then yes everything is done as its done, everything IS. So that is the "destiny" thing. But from our perspective, we still have to live life, and it is within the frame of our free will that these things happen - and if we say "oh its all destined, so whats the point?" and then spend all our time sitting inside waiting for destiny to appear well then.....lol.....so be it. So the two points are entirely congruent but at the same time, don't contradict free will.

The argument I find more difficult is deciding how the decision making process works. I mean, I know that ultimately our "soul" is formless and immense, but we live through the filter (mostly?) of our surface personalities, which are in a way the programs running in our brain (the hardwiring), but then if they are just programs then where the hell is free will there?? Can we make any decision which does not run through our brain? Is it then not all just the illusion of free will, since we are following the parameters of programmed personality form??? And what is the method through which we change? Can consciousness really exert that much influence past these silly bloody programs??!

Well OK, it doesn't keep me up at night, but it does concern me