Hhhmm....logic and philosophy.....

To approach understanding of the underlying nature of the universe/God/myself/the absolute of reality, you need to get beyond intellectual constructions, although they can take you some of the way, and are useful, ultimately they cannot penetrate the formless, the ultimate, the indefinable. Only its likeness can, only your consciousness pushing through the veils inside and releasing itself to absolute knowing of absolute-ness can.
The universe is not built on logic  , but we/God/the underlying layer of reality are built on the same foundations. Hence why you have to approach absolutes with the mind, and not with logic or intellect, and this is also why we use paradoxes to break through, because it cuts through logic and helps us go to the core.

Apologies if the above sounds like gibberish. I guess it is, but its as close as I can get with lame words. Some things cannot be explained or talked about but ultimately everyone has to find and know them for themselves. This is the truth of mysticism, which is why it must remain so called "mystical".

MU
is all

God is indefineable, and even this is wrong.
Neti, neti.
Not this, not this.

MU
Is All

 

Wave particle duality and the double slit experiment is indeed fascinating. However I do get somewhat peeved when I only hearing one side of an argument, whether its given to me by spiritual minded folk or scientists, or even people who are a mix of both.
I am talking about the way they, in the link above and in places in what the bleep, have simply swept under the rug complete opposing arguments - in this instance, the whole concept that observing something might not be a "consciousness: electron knows it is being observed" thing but simply because the act of observing anything requires interfering with that something (in this case electrons) with something else (eg by shooting photos, other electrons, etc at it which bounce off, and in the bouncing process, interfere with that thing ie change its state, ie you can never know whats somethings state is without changing it, ie it is ultimately impossible to know what something is really doing), and in the double slit experiment this interference may be enough to collapse the wave function for that critical observing instant.
However you look at it, it is, still, very very interesting stuff  - I just prefer the full discussion.

Anyway - what reeeeaaaaaalllllly really really REALLY interests me is when in What the Bleep the scientist is talking about getting matter to bilocate, ie exist simulateously in one place and another. Does anyone know anything more about this??? Absolutely fascinating experiement.....would love to hear more...

The altered states drugs put you in to can be extreme in certain directions compared to those gotten to through meditation and other practices, ie moves you in a different way. Magical state of consciousness is likewise a very extreme place to be, but you are still much more "you" (normally - magical states in nature can lead to what might be walk in scenarios with elementals which is very different!!!). With drugs you change much more in fundamental levels, which can be useful, or might not be (eg it might change a certain attitude in you which causes you to approach problems in a new way and you then continue this later). And kinda the direction is something you might not think of yourself...
Yeah I find this important - drugs put you into states you would not be able to reach before because you have never experienced them. A good drug fuelled experience will sorta open you up to many new areas of mind, which will stay with you even afterwards. Its like expanding your reportoire, and (cliches aside) expanding the mind. The unfortunately real flipside to this is that some people can get into really really bad states of mind, which can also stay with them, leading to nasty psychological problems. Have seen this happen twice to friends of mine, it aint pretty. However, I we have also discovered some excellent things, and the memories and knowledge gained will be with me forever.

Like greatoutdoors says, its a damn tricky subject. I have heard interviews with pro TV producers (fact or fiction series on UK tele, I never saw it myself but sure looked interesting). Guy said they had orbs on a professional digital video camera which were moving under the directions of a medium. They had pictures of these orbs on the site and they looked a fair bit like the above pictures...

I have also seen orbs moving around on less professional cameras, zigging and zagging...

And some other guy I spoke to aaaages ago on these forums, posted me some pitures he took of orbs, which he saw floating around his house during the day (!!!). Again, looked a lot like above..

But! Some of them must be dust. As was mentioned, diffraction patterns and all (heh didnt think of that well spotted ). To the person who asked - these are patterns made by light as it diffracts around physical objects...

oh yeah, and for the record, "rods" are almost certainly just insects, the pattern they make is due to the shutter speed of the camera....lol and I found the topic so interesting for so long! Oh well eh?

Hey! Dont think the vid is levitation, at least thats not what they train for! Its a shaolin skill, they teach themselves to balance on a few fingers, then two, then one. It says he is the only person in the world who can do this, not sure thats true think there are a couple more, but certainly not very many at all.
Downloaded a vid on my computer called "Jet Li - 1994 - Li Lian Jie's Shaolin Kung Fu (Documentary)" which goes into this and loads of other amazing, mind bending, and often totally bizarre shaolin skills  . Well worth a watch IMO.

Hey Rob,
Glad that post made sense, i just wanted to make sure i understood properly

Ive used your technique a few times since i read about it. Not so much for specific situations, but just feelings in general.
And it must say, it works a treat

Yey!! I am really really pleased to hear you are finding it useful!!
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Through it im learning how to keep a clear head in situations i would usually find uncomfortable and also to keep negative thoughts well undercontrol.

Yes, and I find that it also teaches you to face things in life head on, like everytime my mind automatically turns away from something I now have another automatic machanisms to turn right back at them and stare them down. I guess it also helps build willpower.

If i were to use it for a specific situation or memory, i find its extra important to make sure you dont let these feelings escape the ball and start doing bad things. So essentially yeah, you really are containing all those bad feelings and basically letting your mind attack them while theyre most vulnerable.

Thanks again Rob,

Mark

Yes! When they are most vulnerable, ie when they are most visible in your mind. In a way, your mind then does the hard work for you, bringing all these feeling to the fore which otherwise would be quite difficult to find and pin down.

Anytime    - thanks for your feedback!

Rob

Well. I think your right. This is probably a personal technique, and a personal one only. At least that's how it is for me. I've tried twisting this method in several ways (and times) and I can never seem to get a lasting effect. I suppose I will have to invent my own procedure. So, if anything, I'd like to thank you for inspiring me to do so.

Well, thanks for trying  
I do however think its interesting that you still get the negative feelings to dissapear, shame they will return on you though.
Yes! Invent!! And then tell us all what you find!!
I have edited the start of my main post btw to reflect the fact that nobody else seems to be having any major luck with it.
And if anyone has read it, and not found it useful, please do say so! Even a lack of effect is useful for me to know.

Rob

Hey Kiwi,

Your post made me laugh!!   Thanks!!

"I've been to a board where the trend was to self-diagnose with Asperger's syndrome... "I have no friends and I spend most of my time alone on the computer. I also think I have a 220 IQ. I definitely have Asperger's syndrome." "

LOL!!

You make some good points though, and I do completely agree with you. Yes, I am sure you are right and there are a lot of people out there who want to be "indigo children" because of the status it ascribes to them. Aye it is very easy to get synical about these things, although its worth remembering that these kids were not the ones who came up with the idea of Indigo and Totem animals to begin with, so perhaps their attitudes should be divorced from the real core of an idea, since they are obviously not the best source of infomation on such topics.
Example, when I was in school, some younger kids came to me, knowing I was good at chemistry, and wanted me to help them make explosives. They had a piece of paper with some symbols written on it in basical formula type style which sure "looked" scientific, but beared little resemblence to anything. They had no idea about the basic principles of getting explosive chemical reactions, and were just caught up in the idea of being crazy scientific explosive experts making things go BANG! Should this then detract from chemistry, just because these kids thought they knew the topic but infact knew nothing? My point is, that with any group that has elements which appear "cool", you will always get silly kids masquerading as a part of it, but since they are really and obviously just silly kids, you have to look beyond them and not let said sillyness bring down the entire topic.
This whole "quackery" thing in areas such parapsychology and paranormal has tarnished the image of these areas for a long time in the eyes of much of mainstream science, which is such an enormous shame.

Until you get someone to check your aura and manifest some kind of superpower

Hmm, again I detect a note of synicism.....
But anyway, Indigos are not supposed to have "superpowers", they are not supposed to be a completely new species or anything....which makes the whole area very difficult to prove, because its more of a general trend thing, ie you are getting more kids with x y and z personality traits and a tendancy towards developed psychic abilities, but the latter is very hard to get any scientist to prove, and the former can often be explained away as societal changes.

Curiously:

Where's the platypus community?

I actually used Donnis (old mod from aroud here) Dreamtime card divination system and came up with platypus as totem animal!!! I thought it a bit strange until ai read the description. Now I think its great  , and an extremely accurate picture. And on a personal note, I would say I do fit many of the Indigo child traits, with some interesting synchronicities on that note, but I am a scientists at heart too and aint gonna say "I am Indigo woo woo look at me everyone!!", not least because I am not convinced either, but also because I hope I am not that egotistical   . Also i think its more important to be defined as who you are than borrow your definition from a group.



Runlola!

Hey, I think you might like the movie, it's not made by "hollywood"
it's very different from hollywood, I think it went straight to video.
btw, I think you just might be an Indigo.  

Lol, now I am the one jumping to conclusions  .
Heheh thanks.....all I can say is thats its real hard typing with all these fingers dropping off.....damn there goes another!! Down to 4 now......but at least I have gotten used to the smell  

IMO: lack of authority? more like lack of love... ADD = lack of nutrition.

Yup, agree!
With ADD, I have said this many time before I am sure, but I always always think of Bruce Lee who, if born in the US today, would without a doubt have been classified in this group, doped to the eyeballs with Ritalin, and probably have grown up to be a toilet cleaner or something. But instead he channeled his overflowing energy into martial arts, and became the ultimate Grande Master of Kickass   .

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Hey Mark! No, not waffly at all, very clear in fact - probably a lot clearer than my own enormous post!  

I can relate so well.
I too have problems with insecurity, shyness, self conciousness, making an ass of myself and just generally to being able to be myself comfortably.
And i too have experienced things where i would do or say something that i look back at (or even immediately) say to myself "Mark, you really suck...seriously... you suck"

Yeah, its horrible isnt it....and its very difficult to do anything to break your mind from this thought pattern when you are in the middle of it. And all the other stuff, those subconscious programs of shyness, insecurity, etc, I got them too - they are a real bummer...
But I am pleased to say, that since I started confronting issues with my technique, the whole spasm of negative energy thing locking up my mind, has pretty much vanished!! Its awesome!!! Am quite please with myself, dont mind telling you!! Now, when it happens at all, my mind might freeze up a little, but there is no negative energy there, and instead I am simply sitting there observing my mind and prodding it into action again (imagining rotary movement seems good - constant movement, no breaks).

Basically, this is my understanding of it (correct me if im wrong here or if im just repeating what you wrote).

I think your technique works well because instead of dwelling on how bad the event makes us feel and trying to forget it, we are basically focusing on it and clearing our concious mind of other thoughts to better allow our subconcious to process the event and store it away so we dont need to dwell on it any longer.
Our subconcious mind was basically procrastinating on storing it away because it wasnt quite sure how do deal with the situation?
Perhaps the nature of these events is so personal, our subconcious may need to be in the right condition to process it properly?

Yes, thats a really good way of putting it! And I might add that I have noticed that if you are distracted when in the middle of focusing on an issue, it totally breaks what you are doing, and you have to start again pretty much from the beginning. Which is very similar to meditation, where you keep your conscious mind focused on one thing or no-thing, so that the unconscious mind can carry out its processing most efficiently in the background. Interesting stuff! Have you had much success with the method btw? I am wondering if its something which is most personally useful to me, since nobody else here seems to have had much success    although I guess I needed it the most..

Rob

Oh Nay, I am not trying to give any advice on how to raise children, although I believe I am still closer to the age of the "child" than many here , and I still have my own experiences to draw on.

What I am trying to point out, has nothing to do with child rearing practices, but that peoples ideas on the whole "indigo" and etc issue usually dont come down to rational arguments, but to their own predujices for/against the very idea. Which in this case is then rationalised with stories that the kids are not beaten enough. Which is nothing more than a core concept/most accessible construct, and I might add obviously so, since the whole "unruly indigo" is just one very small facet of the whole indigo child thing to begin with!! So someone doesnt like the idea, picks out one small area that their mind recognises above all others, and use their own opinions on that issue to discredit (in their own mind) the entire field that very small issue came from. Which, not coincidentally, agrees entirely with their own personal feeling from the beginning ie "It's just so absurd..."

Basically, I am just trying to advocate a more open mind, and more internal knowledge of the reasons we say and think things sometimes.

When I see the description of Indigo, Emerald and Ruby children, I can't help but wonder if it's actually serious... It's just so absurd...

Which is, I believe, the core issue here..

Bear in mind that OBE and many of the topics we talk about here, seem totally absurb to much the majority of the western world. Some of the things I have seen in life, if I were to tell most people, they'd think I had gone completely mad! So I cannot easily justify thinking along this line with any topic, nomatter how silly it might seem at first glance.

I'm not really an advocate of physical abuse, but no kid will respect authority unless they are shown authority. A spanking doesn't hurt (much) physically, and it is a valuable tool when used in moderation.

"Anyway, whats up with the "kids of today" eh? Parents dont spank them enough, thats what!" lol purleeeez!!!!
Seriously, I disagree completely, with all of your post infact. Tell me you dont know, thats fine, or tell me its a wide range of things related to the progress of society and technology, thats great, but to pin it to one single thing like parents not beating their children enough? Come on....
I only ever got smacked once or twice, not enough to hurt just enough for psycholoical effect, and I dont think it made me respect my parents, just taught me a little fear. If they had "spanked" me it would have ruined the close ties I had and have with them.
Besides, each child is different, and every one of us is special.



Lola, not seen the movie, but it would probably cause me to projectile vomit everywhere and put a pickaxe through my TV, so thats maybe a good thing!   Hollywood  

Rob

Alpha,

What reasons, if any, do we have to explore space or step foot on other planets?

I am with Cainam on this, would be an excellent way of proving the who ET thing one way or another, which would have a rather large effect on the world. But also, its about the evolution of mankind as a species, the opening up of more possibilities, and the enriching of the living experience. Wouldnt it be amazing if you could choose to live life in space station orbiting Jupiter, then a few years later move to a enormous bubble on the surface of Mars, just because you could? In a way, the more positive things we can experience in life, the wealthier we become as individuals and as a species.
And the alternative would infer approaching stagnation, which would not be good!

Hey Cainam - in that avatar, you look an awful lot like that fella in Mythbusters  

Rob

Ah, you are talking about lifter craft I think. Hehe I did my final year reseach project on them   .
Well, there are some definately peculiarities they display. Most interesting are the fully insulated layered type designs in Brown original patents (name thomas townsend brown, if you like I can send you the patents), since this would seem to rule out ion movement. Another oddity is the increased thrust efficiency at certain frequencies, and another I identified is that thrust should be much higher when the wire is connected to the foil, but instead thrust drops to like 1/6th its normal setup value. Yeah they are often listed as AG a lot of the time but frankly thats jumping to conclusions a bit! IMO they are interesting and havent been researched enough, but a lot of their operation could still be down to ion movements. However there are some big problems with this model, which is the main hurdle in research. All the models we have are all very incomplete.
I dont think they can lift one or two pounds though! Like, max I have seen is a coupla hundred grams (and a small mouse   ). Power source  needs to be above 15kV, and ampage is in the mA region and below usually. Power to thrust efficiency is approaching, at best, half that of a helicopter I believe. Main reason they cant take off with supply is, as you have said, not enough thrust to carry a very high volt PS.
Interesting topic though, to be sure. Jean-Louis Naudin site has some of the best info out there IMO - http://jnaudin.free.fr (and lots of other cool stuff as well!!!!)