Thank you to everyone who has replied - it's great to hear your views! 

Sarah

Hey bellend

Here it is...

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_experiences/phasing_naturally-t21247.0.html

Sorry, I was being lazy earlier.

Sarah

Hi mat

I went through a painting in our lounge once.  Here is the link to what happened.  One of my most bizarre, lengthy and unusual experiences...

http://www.astralpulse.com/forums/welcome_to_astral_experiences/a_serious_astral_projection_for_a_change-t14660.0.html

Please note that the forums underwent an upgrade since I posted the experience and you will find my account as the LAST post.

Sarah

[I]

I had an OBE which took me to somewhere 22 years previous.  It was as if I was the ghost.  If you use the search function and put in the keywords of 'Office' and '1983', it should appear.

I was able to talk to the office workers and they saw me and responded.  Not sure what it was all about, to be honest, but it was amazingly "real"!!

Sarah

[know]

I like to break these down by frequency.

All very well, but how do you know what frequency you are alluding to?  At the time.  For instance, you are busy doing some lower astral stuff and suddenly, an "angel" swoops down and takes you off somewhere else.  So you are in, say, 80 Hz to start with, but get an overlay of 250 Hz??  Or what?  Does the angel balance the frequency to, say 160 Hz.  Therefore you are still in the 'lower' scenario but because the angel is standing with you, you are now at 160?  No, that wouldn't make sense.

I'm digging myself a hole - maybe you can help me out!! 

The higher in frequency our consciousness goes, the brighter the colors, with the highest being pure white light, void of any color.

Now this I can relate to.  Sort of.  However, even with the bright colours, these have occurred in lucid dreams as much as astral projections.  Colours that you can't even begin to describe, because the verbs used are conflicting... the brightest green, but dull, but so vibrant and alive, but not glaring... how can someone else get an idea of what 'green' I'm talking about?    One thing of note is that I've never noticed bright colours in RTZ OBEs.  Colours, yes, but not bright.

I know a lot of people will read this and think that I'm crazy

Oh jub jub, I don't think you are crazy... I know you are crazy!!   

It's what I believe and I think that's what you were looking for.

It's exactly what I was looking for - thank you for responding to what I would deem a difficult subject.

Sarah

Hi Ivan

Welcome back!  Good to see you again. 

Maybe Nay will make an appearance one day?  Who knows.

Looking forward to future discussions with you.

Sarah

Thanks interception.

Looks like we are reading from the same hymn sheet! 

Sarah

Hi interception

So in very simple terms, one answer would be: if these labelled experiences overlap so much as they seem to be doing, and you often cannot tell them apart, then there's no real solid difference between them. Now is there? 

It is all just human labels and degrees of experience.

This is the conclusion I am coming to.  I've had 4 years worth of experiences and find that I am so far away from all the books/discussions/theories/beliefs that are abound. 

I do understand that if a book is going to be published, it will need to have descriptions and adventure and whatnot, and so to some extent the author will have to use some sort of structure to the experiences.  However, they don't seem to let you know about the overlapping, or give you signposts as to where you are exactly.  It's all very wishy-washy and of course, readers come along and think it's great and have an experience which they reckon might be a 'higher plane' experience because they heard singing (and so assumed they were angels), and lo and behold these structures are solidified by more and more people.

And yet, I've done the opposite.  I've looked at my experiences as they are, no fluff, no assumptions, no negatives, no positives, just as they are.

Sadly, my conclusion is that most authors and others take on beliefs and assumptions galore, and we find ourselves embroiled in mystical terminology that is quite frankly misleading and confusing.  I also think many authors, whilst not lying as such, are economical with the truth when describing their experiences.  I believe they miss out parts that don't make sense, or don't fit with the general 'flow' of the experience.

I guess if I wrote a book about my experiences, no-one would publish it.  It would simply be full of experiences with no meanings, no "this means that and therefore the other".  No structure, no labels.

I wonder whether I will take these labels on board in the future.  I can't see it somehow.

Sarah

[how you know the difference between them, when you are there]

Hi Greytraveller 

An out of body experience is when a person is fully aware of their consciousness being separate and apart from their physical body.

I disagree with this.  An out of body experience is just that.  An experience of being out of your body.  Where did you get this explanation from?  Specifically about having to be fully aware?

Non-lucid dreams are OBEs by their very nature.  The fact that we don't realise at the time is neither here nor there, in my opinion.

Of course there are different types of OBEs. There are ethereal/etheric/RTZ projections. There are astral projections. There are projections to alternate/parallel universes. There are projections to higher dimensions and/or higher planes.

This is what I'm getting at.  I don't want you to tell me that there are x-amount of types of projections - I hear it all the time.  I want you to tell me how you know the difference between them, when you are there.

What is the difference between projecting to an alternate universe and a higher dimension/plane?  What is the difference between an astral projection and a projection to a parallel universe?  When you have an experience, what do you deem it to be...and more importantly what tell-tale signs of the experience led you to that label?

All of the above are OBEs yet IMO all involve a clear conscious separation of the astral/ethereal body-consciousness from the physical body.

What's your take on Phasing where there is no separation from the physical?  When your mind seems to shift consciousness seamlessly and easily from the physical to 'somewhere else'?  Rather like moving the switch on a radio to change frequencies.  No separation.  No struggling out of the physical, no creating a second body.

Lucid dreams are experiences where the dreamer MAY be out of body yet is still only aware of the dreamscape. Of course this leaves open the possibility that much of the dreamscape in a lucid dream is Not created by the dreamer and therefore does have an outside objective existence. Whether or nor this is the case in a lucid dream the dreamer has not quite made the (quantum?) jump up in consciousness and therefore is not fully aware of it- meaning that the dreamer still perceives the experience as occuring in only a dreamscape.

Yikes that's confusing.  So the dreamscape might be self-created or not? 

How do you know that astral projection generally isn't self-created?  As in parallel universes, higher planes etc.?

And yes there is a HUGE area of overlap and it can all get quite confusing.

Quite. 

This happens to me ALL the time and at times nobody is more confused by the overlapping Grey area of consciousness than I.

I think you'll find there are a few that are as confused as you!! 

Thank you for responding.

Sarah

From reading some books by Carlos Castenada, mainly "The Art of Dreaming,"

Hi Zipppy

I read that book a while ago.  The trouble is you'd have to be pointing your finger at everything you came across.

I was looking for others' direct experience, rather than what they have read in a book. 

But thank you for responding. 

Sarah

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Why?  What is it?

Sarah

You are making assumptions about the spirit leaving the physical when projecting. 

No-one actually knows for certain what happens during projection.  There are theories abound.  One I lean towards (although haven't actually taken as a belief) is that there is no separation - we merely have the sensation of separation.  Because we are focusing our consciousness somewhere other than the physical, our brain carries out an 'action' to correspond, therefore it gives us the feeling that we are leaving the body.

Another theory is that our consciousness (I deliberately use the word 'consciousness' over spirit as it has less attachments to beliefs) doesn't have to leave our body, because it is not housed there in the first place.

These tend to be modern theories - the more historic you go, the more you will read about spirits, souls getting stuck, ectoplasm, ghosts and the dangers therein.  This is because historically, religion was extremely powerful and to keep its power, it needed to control the masses.  The masses were controlled through fear.  So to stop us from exploring (other dimensions, other realities, the dreamworld, other focuses of consciousness, even ourselves), they came out with stuff like, "if your spirit leaves your body it will never get back in and you'll be stuck in no-mans land forever".

You are going to get different answers to your question.  Each answer will be based on that person's belief.

My answer is "I don't know" because I don't hold any beliefs one way or the other.  As I said, I lean towards the changing focus of consciousness angle (which means that we don't GO anywhere, as in travel and certainly nothing leaves the body), therefore if pushed for an answer, I would say that nothing can hurt you.

Sarah

Friends Reunited would be a much better idea.  Or through the friends you have kept.  Why try and find them astrally when you can pick up a phone book? 

Sarah

I get this if I look at the blue/white sky when the sun is shining (note: I don't look at the sun!!).

It's lovely, lots of tiny sparkly bright silver flashes everywhere.  I can get lost in it for ages! 

No idea what it is, but I like it.

Sarah

[can]

Stuff like meditation,telekinesis,telepathy,and stuff like that doesn't seem to work for me.The only thing that works for me is astral projection and that is only when i am falling asleep and giving my mind suggestions.

Just like physical stuff (maths, english, drama, music, biology), we can't be good at everything.  Be thankful for what you can do!

Sarah