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101  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help? on: August 24, 2017, 09:18:05
Quote from: Visitor
Astral projectors are kept in tight playpen areas so they don't go anywhere, see anything or do anything....because they don't know how to.  In essence they waste their time frolicking in play pens.  Is that special?  Well it's ok if your ego needs to feel that. I think it's a waste of time personally.

 grin That's funny.

Out of interest, what would you say isn't a waste of time Visitor (and I'm not talking just about astral projecting)?  smiley
102  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 24, 2017, 07:41:31
Thanks catmeow.  smiley

Quote from: catmeow
I also liked "we're upto pretty much the same page" (ie "on the same page"). When I read that I did wonder what the significance was. As EscapeVelocity said, so much to un-wrap here.

Last night I wondered whether the book represented the script of the act we carried out. A fatal car crash isn't quite in the realms of Stephen King's horror though!  cheesy

I still can't work out what the blisters were about - it's the one other significant part of the experience that has me stumped. The only thing it brings to mind is they were positioned where a cigarette would be held. Perhaps it has no real bearing given it came from Glass Woman who wasn't party to what was really going on.
103  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help? on: August 24, 2017, 07:30:08
Quote from: Kzaal
Life is priceless

Before I could astral project, I agreed with the above quote.

After I could astral project, I agree with the above quote.

Life an be a pile of poo too, but I still agree with the above quote.
104  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Modern day martyr or crazy idea that can't possibly help? on: August 24, 2017, 07:26:33
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection
I feel like I'm talking to a group of pro-lifer's rather than a group of astral projectors. LOL

Hi Plasma

I wanted to address this as it cropped up in another post of yours where you seem to lump astral projectors in the same boat.

Yes, we are astral projectors but that's one aspect of each of us. We are all different. Some will be pro-lifers, possibly most will be. Those who are replying to you are more than likely to be pro-lifers. Those who aren't probably don't give a monkeys what you do and so won't bother replying.

I get the impression you think 'we' (as in projectors) are somehow set apart from other people - is that correct? If so, how do you think we are different? I'm curious as from your other posts, it looks like you're carrying around a rucksack full of baggage (and by that, I mean potentially erroneous beliefs).

What knowledge do you think we have compared with non-projectors?
105  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Musically Minded on: August 23, 2017, 16:49:39
Lovely stuff catmeow, although the tracks with the sound of water made me want to wee!  tongue

I particularly enjoyed Angel Tears.
106  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 23, 2017, 16:47:51
Quote from: T-Man
Maybe Glass was her name but maybe you referred to her as the glass woman because you knew that she was in a fragile state.

I reckon you're right. After all, names are of no concern 'over there' (as I keep being reminded by those lovely Dream Operators).  grin

Quote from: T-Man
BTW, which Stephen King novel were you reading?

Ha! I don't know. What I remember of the book is that it was slim and had a colourful cover - perhaps blues/purples. (In waking life, I've read quite a few of his books, but not for many years.)
107  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 23, 2017, 16:39:21
Quote from: EscapeVelocity
Wow! Great retrieval interpretation Selski! You have just confirmed that it can occur on a purely instinctive NP level! Nicely done!

Thank you EV. It hasn't quite got the wow factor of a lucid experience, but perhaps this is the way it will be for me from now on. I just hope that my NP personality continues to evolve in a way that is beneficial for all concerned.  smiley

I think (hope) you are correct that I'm still learning in a more subtle way. I guess the best way to continue down this path is to keep on recording and deciphering my dreams - and, most importantly, to not get frustrated when I feel that 'nothing' is happening. Looking back, I suspect a lot of the dreams I've had since I rejoined the Pulse have been building up to this hospital retrieval experience. The night I realised it was a retrieval I was sending out NP gratitude to anyone who would listen!  grin

Quote from: EV
The Glass woman...could be her name, but the first read I had was maybe that describes her 'fragility'...?

Yeah, I also thought it might be her bodily state - full of glass from the car crash. I'm definitely not contacting anyone - as I was looking at the link on his website saying 'email me', it made me realise just how far removed all this stuff is to the 'real' world. Heck, I doubt I'll even relay the hospital experience to my other half - I know he'd listen kindly, but... well, you probably know what I mean. These experiences are difficult for us to accept - and we're the ones having them. I know if the boot was on the other foot, I'd have a hard time believing him too.

Quote from: EV
More to come, I'm sure...

Ha ha, yep indeedy!  cool
108  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 23, 2017, 15:12:48
Quote from: T-Man
It would have never occurred to me that could have been a retrieval but after you mention it the circumstances sure seem to fit that scenario.

It's a tricky one as I'm not really sure whether I've simply misinterpreted (or read too much into) an ordinary dream (with plenty of bleedthroughs from the book I was reading that day). Quite a bit of 'this stuff' is a leap of faith...and oftentimes I refuse to jump!

When I looked at it from a retrieval point of view, there were quite a few signs that stood out. One big one was when the dream ended. I now suspect that I was beginning to become lucid at that point and was probably booted out before I made a mess of it. The good thing is, if it was a retrieval, I wasn't thrown in at the deep end. If I had fluffed it, I'm sure they had a contingency plan in place. I could have simply been another patient who was in too much pain, or lost my mind, or something. I think it was a little test to see if I was ready in a non-physical AND non-lucid sense.

The other clue is how I felt upon the realisation that it was a retrieval. I'd just gone to bed tired and ready for a good sleep. After the realisation, I was wide awake, hyper and could have happily done a day's work! It was a struggle to actually stay in bed and try to sleep.

I'm still not sure...but I've been sitting on the fence for most of my life so for now I'm going with it.

Down the rabbit hole goes Selski...  grin
109  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 23, 2017, 08:28:03
A group of us are in a pub. Weíve gone to watch greyhound racing on the big screen. The dogs start off in a cave. As we watch the men getting everything ready as the dogs have already been put in the traps, there is a small explosion inside the cave. Everyone in the pub is shocked and worried and before we can say anything, there is a further explosion Ė this one much larger and itís obvious that everyone Ė trainers, track workers and the dogs themselves Ė are dead.

No idea where this came from. I used to go greyhound racing regularly but havenít been for years. My sadness in the dream was over the death of the dogs... I didnít particularly feel any concern for the people.

~~~ooo000ooo~~~

Iím with Bill. The last scene is beautiful. He looks younger and really well. We are in a park, Iím lying on the grass and heís dancing around me. In the distance is a mountain Ė its shape is that of sugar loaf mountain and everywhere around us are cherry blossom trees in full bloom against a sky blue background. Really pretty. The atmosphere is loving and sexy. We wonder where we are Ė we know itís not heaven but itís somewhere simply wonderful.

A real feel-good dream. I woke up happy and with lovely thoughts about Bill. I also had Under the Tree by Jim Noir in my mind.
110  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 22, 2017, 10:18:10
A question for anyone reading.

I've been mulling over why she is called Glass Woman. I wondered if her surname is Glass. In our discussions in the hospital, she told me her husband's first name. On a whim, I googled his first name with a surname of Glass - and found a website of that exact name, with a photo, bio etc. It doesn't mention anything about him being married, but then again the focus is on his work.

Would you, having had my experience, contact him? If so, what the dickens would you say?

I think I've already got my answer, but wondered what you would do. I think it's all a bit tenuous to be bothering a complete stranger. At best I'd come across a complete loon, at worst it might be really upsetting for him.
111  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 22, 2017, 08:48:38
It took me all day yesterday before I realised that the above dream was more than likely a retrieval. When I went to bed last night, I was thinking about my question, 'Are we dead?' and - WHAM! - retrieval jumped into my mind.

My initial friend who changed forms was perhaps an NP Helper (my filters kept seeing people I knew) with Glass Woman being the dead person. The fact that the Helper and I were both 'on the same page' is a clue.

Maybe the Helpers needed a physical presence to help with the process as Glass Woman was refusing to even entertain the idea she was dead, and as a side effect couldn't see any Helpers.

A scenario was planned by the Dream Operators and they got me involved, hoping I'd bring up the subject in an appropriate & caring manner.

The scene was set, I played my part (without realising I had a part to play, lol) and I didn't botch it! As soon as I'd asked the question - Are we dead? - I awoke. I guess they didn't need me anymore after that. My question probably got Glass Woman thinking and that was enough to bring the Helpers into focus. Thank goodness I didn't get lucid otherwise I'd have been off prancing around looking for male doctors...  cheesy

I went to sleep wondering why she was so reluctant to entertain the idea of death. A short dream followed whereby I had to go down a dark passage to fetch something and was full of fear. No - I was terrified. I think that was my answer, as I am rarely, if ever, that scared in dreams.
112  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Ecstasy of Saint Teresa, or how I came to experience Primal Union with Creation on: August 21, 2017, 14:24:00
Such a beautiful opening post - and thread. I read the whole thing yesterday morning and it really lifted my spirit.

Thank you to all who contributed.  smiley
113  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 21, 2017, 14:10:07
I'm in a hospital ward with two others, one of whom was in the same car crash as me. The third person was also in a car crash, but her injuries are more severe than ours. We spend time talking, reading, doing crosswords. I receive some mail. There is a cheque for over £600 addressed to me. I ring the company who sent the cheque and they tell me they've been trying to contact me via e-mail. I explain my predicament and situation, and that I haven't got access to my e-mail account.

My friend and I are both reading the same book. It's by Stephen King. We discuss it and find we're up to pretty much the same page. I ask if the other lady is reading anything and my friend replies, 'the glass woman isn't well enough to read'.

I have a discussion with the glass woman who shows me two large blisters, one on the inside of her index finger and one on the inside of her middle finger. These keep rubbing together and it's these blisters, more than anything else, that are hurting her the most. She tells me that she's married and her husband is very busy and currently away on business. I explain that mine is also.

A week has passed by and another day of reading/talking. I ask glass woman if she's had a visit from her husband yet - no. I ask if she's had a phone call from him - no. I then say to myself out loud, 'I haven't had a visit or a phone call from mine either ... [then a bit louder] that's really weird, not even a phone call'.

Then it dawns on me.

I already know the answer, but ask in all seriousness to my friends, 'Are we dead?'


~~~ooo000ooo~~~

I'm currently reading Illusions II by Richard Bach. This is an account of his plane accident where he spends a week in a coma and quite some time in hospital. (It sounds morbid, but is a really lovely book!)

I'm a tad disappointed it took me a whole week to work out I was dead - I hope it's not that long when I finally do kick the bucket. I suppose on the other hand, it's not too long at all. I wasn't at all bothered about being dead...and I was careful with my words so as not to upset/shock the others.

It was a slightly muddled dream as my 'friend' wasn't consistently one person - at first they were my ex, then later a friend from work.

Another thing to note. In a much later dream, not related to this one, I am telling my boss about this dream and the fact that I'd worked out what had happened - that we had all died.


114  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 21, 2017, 13:40:57
Quote from: T-Man
You can read my intro which is still available on the first page of the Members Introductions.  I have a paragraph there about how I started.

Thanks T-Man.  smiley
115  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 21, 2017, 13:36:21
Quote from: Stillwater
It gets a bit confusing.

You're telling me!  tongue
116  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 20, 2017, 12:36:29
A group of us are making lemon flapjacks. There are a number of recipes to choose from. Me & a friend realise we haven't got all the ingredients we need for our recipe and consider going to the shop. But then we haven't got enough time, so we decide to use pasta instead. She asks what pasta I've got and says that lasagne pasta sheets would be the best. I look in my cupboard and find a box with 2 and a half sheets inside, which is nowhere near enough.

I tell her I'm going to use spaghetti and she asks what other pasta I have. I think I've got penne, but bring her the jar which is actually full of macaroni. She decides to use that, even though it will mean her flapjacks are rather 'slushy'.

We've made the first batch pre-oven and I take a mouthful. It's lemony-taste is just right with the texture somewhere between froth and mousse.


~~~ooo000ooo~~~

A silly one. Added because of the use of taste in a dream. Not that unusual for me, but worth noting.
117  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: How do I reincarnate into a family members child? on: August 20, 2017, 12:05:12
Quote from: PlasmaAstralProjection
I think I know why you posted that Xanth.

It's his favourite song, ever. Didn't you know?  grin
118  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: I was finally able to bring a song back from a dream- You can listen to it here! on: August 20, 2017, 12:02:27
That's brilliant Stillwater - I love the story going with the tune.

Wouldn't it be fantastic to see it acted out in a movie? Maybe one day it will be...  smiley

119  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 20, 2017, 11:08:05
Iím at a sporting event with two friends, one of whom is taking part in the event. I realise Iím only wearing a t-shirt and knickers Ė although no-one else seems to notice this. I ask my friend to show me the way to the shops so I can buy something appropriate to wear. She takes me down the road and points in the distance, but then must return as she is appearing in the event shortly.

I go into a clothes shop and quickly choose a pair of trousers - pretty much the nearest to hand. They are £81 which is quite pricey, but I donít really care, I just need something to wear so that I can get back to my friends. The reason they are expensive is that they are waterproof. I put them on Ė they fit lovely Ė and go to pay.

On the way back I forget which direction we came in. I have a choice of going left or right. I choose right and, as the environment opens out, I realise Iíve gone the wrong way. However, my dream self is happy and not stressed or concerned, and I go on my merry way to explore the new landscape.

I come across a large field with a few trees in it. There is a stunning old tree ahead of me Ė and I look at the leaves to see what it is Ė itís an oak. It looks very old with a sturdy trunk and lots of low thick branches twisted out. Itís beautiful and as I look at it, I say to myself, ĎYou are real. You cannot be unreal. This is real.í I go over and gently touch the bark which is dry and very rough Ė it feels just like it would in waking life.

A while later I come out of my reverie and decide Iíd better go back to the left/right road and take a left. This I do and I soon see in the distance lots of vehicles parked so I know Iím heading for the sports stadium. As I reach the front gates, there are my two friends waiting for me. Theyíve been worried as Iíve been a while and Iím prone to getting lost, so they figured the best place to wait for me was at the entrance.


~~~ooo000ooo~~~

Another clothes shop dream. Are the items I'm choosing disguises? No, that doesn't feel right. Maybe they represent beliefs and I'm currently shopping around until I find something that totally suits me. Hmmmm. Waterproof beliefs - ha ha ha.  grin

My sense of direction is appalling in waking life - it's very likely that I would go the wrong way on the return journey - my brain just cannot compute reverse directions.  tongue
120  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 20, 2017, 09:37:23
Quote from: T-Man
So far, I do not recall any dreams in black and white but I really haven't paid attention to my dreams until this past year.

I meant to mention this yesterday. I'd love to read what started your journey into dreams a year ago (if it's not too personal). If you have a specific thread, let me know. I'm nosey curious.  grin
121  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 20, 2017, 09:33:16
Thanks Stillwater - I think I've got it. I'm not the brightest button on the shirt!  cheesy

It's strange how forgetful I can be. Yesterday afternoon I was looking through a colouring book saw a picture of silver birch trees. BOOM! This brought back some of the winter dream I had. Rather than 'get off a bus', the movement did eventually slow down and I was able to stop myself by grabbing a silver birch and hugging it. It was a lovely sensation and quite memorable - even though I forgot it. In fact, I even remembered it when I awoke from the dream and when I awoke from the night...but by the time I came to write it down, it had gone.

Memory is a funny old thing - I often get muddled. Even between whether it's a dream memory or a waking life memory. I suppose that's a side-effect of being so dream-focused.
122  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 19, 2017, 13:57:02
Quote from: Selski
I remember trying to put into words what I meant in a post over at EIC and got a fantastic response from CF Traveler who explained it so much more succinctly than I ever could. I canít remember what she said now, but it was spot on. Sheíd obviously been through a similar process.


Found it! Aren't search functions fab?  grin

http://www.explorations-in-consciousness.com/forums/index.php?threads/dreams-with-dreams-within-dreams.2730/#post-17154

Seems I was having a very similar conversation 3 years ago.  tongue

123  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 19, 2017, 13:04:01
EV Ė in response to your post the other day.  smiley

I fully agree with your first paragraph Ė this has been my experience over the years to a T. In fact, looking at my NP progression from 15-odd years ago when I began having classic OBEs, the Ďscopeí (for want of a better word) has got smaller and smaller, until Iím left with mostly ordinary dreams with the occasional lucid one or part-separation of the physical.

The bulk of my Ďmost interestingí experiences (to me, at least) are between 3-7 years ago and these comprise, for the most part, lucid dreams. Once I began having Ďbig adventuresí via lucid dreaming, I was no longer bothered about OBEs and all the Ďfaffí that goes with it. Even phasing phased out (lol) when I began to simply Ďwake upí in a dream, seemingly without needing a trigger.

Something did happen during this time which was very curious to me. I found it hard to put into words, but my lucidity changed. It wasnít less and it wasnít dull Ė but it was more subtle. I remember trying to put into words what I meant in a post over at EIC and got a fantastic response from CF Traveler who explained it so much more succinctly than I ever could. I canít remember what she said now, but it was spot on. Sheíd obviously been through a similar process.

I still became lucidÖbut I also didnít. I gently knew I could do things in the environment that I knew I couldnít do in other environments (without fully realising that this was a dream vs waking life). Having read a number of posts over the past month here at the Pulse regarding the NP personality, I now suspect that was the beginning of mine taking shape.

Quote from: EV
The fact that you are not becoming lucid from your Dream Triggers/Signals is not because you are missing them, it is because your NP Personality has become developed enough to handle the situation by itself, without resorting to activating the conscious mind!

Yes, and I think my most recent experience bears this out rather nicely.

Quote from: EV
So, maybe we don't get the same opportunities to become lucid that we once did; but this is not a reason for disappointment. This actually is a sign of how our NP Personality has developed to a point where it can better handle itself; the DT's we remember upon waking are still there, but now are signposts of a new territory we are moving into.

Thatís a great way of looking at it. Iím rather fond of becoming lucid though and will miss it. Perhaps the Dream Operators will look kindly on me and throw one my way every so often!

Whatís going to be difficult going forward is building on the NP personality, especially as Iím not lucid. It happened last night, but it felt more pot luck than anything Ė any hints or tips on that one?

Thanks EV Ė your input is greatly appreciated.
124  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 19, 2017, 11:05:05
Iím moving fast down a road Ė at least I think itís a road. It has walls either side which look man-made, rather like modern white stone-walls with patterns in a natural look. The walls are slightly too high for me to look beyond. Iím not actually on/in a vehicle, but nor am I flying. Iím not really sure how Iím moving but that isnít my primary focus. My desire is to slow down or stop and Ďget offí so I can take a more leisurely pace, look at the walls in more detail and see whatís on the other side of them.

Then I think a bit and decide to stay with the movement. Eventually it slows down and I get off a bus in a small town. Itís winter time, there are a few inches of snow on the ground but itís a beautiful sunny day. Everything is clear, crisp and colours are vibrant, shining. I feel extremely well, happy and ready for an adventure.

A few of us get off the bus (not many, perhaps 4 or 5) and we understand that it will pick us up at some later time to take us back. We have a couple of hours or more to have a look round. I suppose itís a day trip.

There is a little shop on the corner. I decide to go in. It sells clothes and cheap knick-knacks Ė I get the impression of a beach shop. There is a big baggy t-shirt hanging up by the door gently blowing in the breeze. Inside thereís not much room, the shop can probably hold half a dozen people. There are some pretty-patterned bras in a dark purple colour. They look too large for me, but I contemplate buying one, making my boobs bigger (I do this regularly in dreams!) and flaunting about the place. Then I think a bit and turn away.

I then go to another shop and, feeling mischievous, make a loud stupid sound. Before I finish this sound, I stop myself and become quiet. I leave the shop and have a brief conversation with someone who was on the same ride as me. We discuss where the bus will be to collect us and figure it will turn up at the same spot it dropped us off. I decide to wait for it.

The scene fades.

When I awake, I see a design behind my closed eyes. Itís like the patterns you see in a kaleidoscope, but much softer. The background is a dirty green and the geometric swirls are off-white/dull cream. Itís like a Ďnaturalí kaleidoscope. Iím fully awake now, aware of my body against the bed and knowing exactly who I am/where I am, but am able to watch this scene for a good 7 seconds (Iím counting) before it fades.


~~~ooo000ooo~~~

I think this was a successful test. The two times where I Ďthink for a bití and when I become quiet were the three areas where I believe I did well. My reward? The kaleidoscope. I certainly feel more buoyant this morning and less despondent about my nightly adventures.

Those three decisions were made by my NP self; they had nothing to do with being lucid (which I wasnít) nor my conscious self. But, on some level, I remembered what I wanted to do (remain quiet, go with the experience and not be distracted). I managed all three Ė just about.  tongue
125  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / Re: Selski's Journal on: August 19, 2017, 10:52:45
catmeow - thanks for the link, I found it interesting. Not sure mine are to do with being emotionally removed from the dream as, generally speaking, my recent Observer dreams have been rather mundane and inconsequential.

I think it's an easy assumption to make - that we all dream alike - until we actually make enquiries. I didn't realise that my dream recall was so good - I thought everyone else had that much recall, but they just weren't as interested in dreaming as me!  cheesy

I've never dreamt in sepia, or at least not that I can remember. B&W dreams are extremely rare for me. Thinking back, I can remember one (which was also an Observer dream - possibly why I remember it as it was doubly unusual).

With regards to second-person perspective dreaming, can anyone clarify what this is? Does it mean you are your own consciousness in someone else's body, or does it mean you have someone else's consciousness and are acting 'autonomously' despite a sense of knowing you are you, if that makes sense?

My perspective is predominantly first-person, but I have experienced others and occasionally (as T-Man points out) flit between one & the other.
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