Yeah, but one point of view (which I rather like) is that we chose to incarnate on this world in order to experience this place's distractions and diversions...

Sure, I mean there's a lot of different ways to look at why we incarnate here. However I believe that there is only one eternally self-evident Truth - call it oneness, love, pure objectivity, or perhaps just the present moment. The distractions lead you away from that Truth and into "illusions" (which to you can be quite real, except that they only exist in your mind). It's not that in love the worldly distractions would be gone (obviously), it's just that you couldn't be distracted by them. Outside of Truth, there is only suffering. It may be hidden, masked, or in your face, but it's always there because there is something missing. That gnawing emptiness inside of people can only be filled by love, but until it is they will continue to fall into "illusions" by becoming involved in distractions in an attempt to ignore or placate that void.

So I guess it's possible that we come here to experience the distractions and suffer from ignorance and the loss of love, but what's the point of that? What's the point of anything apart from love?

Well sure, nobody is perfect. That is kind of the point of this experience we call life. A superbeing with unconditional love would probably upset the applecart and "ruin" the earth experience.   

I just don't see how Truth could ruin anything but falsity. How could someone who has simply balanced and healed his mind ruin anything by just his presence?

Somebody will probably come and take such a person away... saying something like: "Okaaaaay Mr Smartypants, you found the cheat codes, so its time for you to move on."

Aww, come on now. Who would do that to a healer? Wait, don't answer that, haha. 

I believe that maintaining a peace of mind in today's society is much more simple than most think. It's not that the world is full of distractions, but that we let ourselves get distracted. We choose those things that distract us. It's very easy to turn the TV off. It's easy to stay out of debt if you live within your means. For most, a simple life would be living in a cabin in the woods, but only as long as they have satellite, internet, dishwashers, etc. - things that make life "simple". In reality, a simple life is hard work, and CAN be applied in today's society.

The more that people go along with unnecessary and "evil" things, the more others think it's not only OK, but a normal way to live. Living life by your own standards, even with little money, is liberating. And sets an example for your children and others in society. So much of what we think we need, we don't need at all.

Yeah, but there are so many demands put upon you to conform or make money when you are stuck in society. I really don't think it's so simple to ignore the distractions of society when you have no choice but to be in it. But otherwise I completely agree with you.

Perhaps it would be simpler to think of unconditional love as an unstoppable love. The only difference between conditional love and unconditional love then is that conditional love can be stopped.

You ask if, when reaching this state, one would be in control of everything and what that would do to free will.

My understanding is this:

The free will of others is just as much of an illusion as mine is. When there are no conflicting desires in the way of unconditional love, then there is no illusion of free will because there is nothing to choose between since you know only love. Love is our natural state, all desires or thoughts (the components of the ego) are simply displacements of that love which give a false dichotomy of choice. All you need to do to experience unconditional love is to come into alignment with it by removing all of your "blocks" to it (I think they're more like imbalances than blocks, but functionally they are blocks and as long as one of these exists in your mind it holds the potential of all the rest). Paradoxically you wouldn't really be controlling anything, or be controlled by anything. You would simply be in an indescribable bliss, and your illusion of free will would be brought to Truth. You would still be you though, in fact you'd be more truly yourself in this state than you ever possibly could be otherwise - and you would be allowing others to be the same. All negative or selfish desires would dissapear because they would be fulfilled by the presence of love.

Perhaps it is the absence, not the presence, that defines our experience.

I think you are definitely on track with that, because I think that unconditional love is an undefined experience - the ineffable answer to any unanswerable paradox. 

By the way, you've asked a very necessary philosophical question in this thread. Sorry if I come across as being a know-it-all or something - I admit I have yet to make this state permanent in myself, although I am actively working on that all the time. I have come into alignment with it before though, so I do have some experience with it. 

I concur. If you hear a physical noise, it'd wake you up instantly, and there'd be no mistaking it. If you hear an astral noise, ignore it - whatever it might be.

I see what you're saying, but I don't think it would be very useful to the world to maintain it as a hermit (not to mention, it probably wouldn't be real anyways if you had to shelter yourself from society in order to hold it). I would agree that it's very difficult to maintain one's peace of mind in this world of ever more complex distractions and diversions, but I still believe that unconditional love is the only answer that works, despite how impossibly difficult it seems it is to make that state stay permanent regardless of circumstances.

I know love is not an immediate answer to extreme situations like these when it is not able to be fully present, but trust me, it's the only thing people really want. In unconditional love, love is primary, and all else is secondary. It's not just a feeling, dude. I'm talking about a miracle. If it's dependant upon condititions (or 'circumstances' to say it differently) it's not the real thing.

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But until love is there, like I said, anything goes. It doesn't matter how you deal with evil, because until you've attained unconditional love the capacity for the same evil you see outside yourself still exists somewhere within you. So, yes, protect yourself and others if you can. Do what you can to reasonably stop evil if you have the chance, do whatever you feel would be best - just realize that your actions are not the ultimate answer.

Dude, hardly anybody reads this part of the forum, lol. Don't expect pages of replies. 

My opinion is, though, that this is pretty good so far. Very informative. 

Yeah, I have been waking up exactly when I need to for quite a while now. It just seems to happen automatically.

"Give evil nothing to oppose and it will disappear by itself."
-Tao Te Ching

"In my defenselessness lies my safety."
-ACIM

Where is the line between vengeance and justice? Everybody needs and wants unconditional love just the same, you'd know this if you would come into alignment with it. To say that you want anything else is insane, because there is no feeling that is left out of unconditional love, thus whatever it is that you could want is there. For instance, why would one kill a man to satisfy one's rage when that same satisfaction lies in unconditional love? The answer is only that unconditional love wasn't there.

This is why I said to heal your mind. The only thing keeping you from unconditional love is the mind's condition of needing to think because it keeps you from being completely present in the now. Unify and balance all aspects of the mind, transcend the need to think, this is the only way to open up to the unlimited flow. You can't be right and be love, because love sees no separation or difference, while being right depends upon being separate from what is perceived to be wrong.


...But don't listen to me, or to the wisdom I place my belief upon. It's just impractical nonsense anyways.

I've even did a few silly things like tossing a few flaming heart constructs to PO a friend's acquaintance. It was really funny cause he denied that they had any shape to them what so ever.

Maybe they didn't have a shape to him?

I once had an idiot claim he could astral project but when I arranged some sort of meeting he was like "ha, that was a test to see if he was actually omnipresent" What a buffoon. Didn't even bother to find out what a real god was like and just stayed in his conditioned fantasy world.

So, because he confused "God" with a "god" you think he's an idiot staying in "his conditioned fantasy world"? Dude, if he can astrally project, he's probably got a wider world view than you do because of his experiences.

You've got to realize that polytheism is all but dead nowadays - nobody believes in a pantheon of gods or things like that.

WTF the censer is so stupid.

It serves its purpose. There are kids that visit these forums.

I think he's inferring that 2012 is a false prophecy, and that false prophecies like that have occured before.

I believe the answer is to heal your mind by transcending the need to think. Until then, however, anything goes.

All of my projections so far have been spontaneous. 

I'd never thought of that.

Dude, you gotta be careful with that stuff. It's the astral world we're talking about here, what you say can get taken a bit more literally.

Trust him about what?

Well, trust that he's (Serdyn is) a god or that he can open a portal to the another dimension. Those things I would be more than a little skeptical about (if not passing him off as being crazy for claiming those things).

You've been pretty vague and cryptic with your story so far. I'd like it if you slowed down and answered some things.

First off, was it this guy, Serdyn, who told you about this "wall of souls" that's supposedly coming down in 2012?
Second off, do you have any other contacts, other than Serdyn and "Mr. X"?

Alright dude, I have to ask, why do you trust that this guy is telling the truth? Did he prove himself to you in the astral that well, or are you taking his word for a lot of it?

Also, I understand what you're saying about randomly appearing in places when you astrally project, that's happened to me a few times. Still though, what you're saying about making an actual PHYSICAL portal I find to be quite a stretch, sorry. 

Where could I get it for free?