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1  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Ecstasy of Saint Teresa, or how I came to experience Primal Union with Creation on: Today at 07:51:16
I place this here, rather than in the Energy section because I don't frankly have a clue what an energy body is. That stuff is outside of my sphere.  )

Well, I can say now that I may have been visited by one of those peak experiences that defines the heights of what spirituality can offer to humanity, and I feel as though I have been given a glimpse of a sacred gift of the first order.

It happened by accident almost, but for the reader's benefit, and to explain what it was, and what context I have to understand it at all, I will preface with the famous story of Saint Teresa.

Teresa of Avila was a nun who practiced devotional mysticism. She spent much of her time in deep meditation contemplating her idea of divinity in the Catholic tradition that was known to her. The episode of her life for which she is most famous came during a time she fell ill, and during that time her devotional meditation brought her by chance an episode of supreme ecstasy which overcame her completely, which she understood as sexual union with the godhead.

"I saw in his hand a long spear of gold, and at the iron's point there seemed to be a little fire. He appeared to me to be thrusting it at times into my heart, and to pierce my very entrails; when he drew it out, he seemed to draw them out also, and to leave me all on fire with a great love of God. The pain was so great, that it made me moan; and yet so surpassing was the sweetness of this excessive pain, that I could not wish to be rid of it. The soul is satisfied now with nothing less than God. The pain is not bodily, but spiritual; though the body has its share in it. It is a caressing of love so sweet which now takes place between the soul and God, that I pray God of His goodness to make him experience it who may think that I am lying."

Even as a child, I was captivated by that story, and especially by the overwhelmingly beautiful sculptural depiction of the event by Bernini. Such rapture! Her face is contorted into twisted torsions of joy, and her frame has collapsed from the weight of it as she convulses. Ever since learning of the story, I can say that the idea of such an overwhelming experience- to be visited as the lover of the divine- was one of the most compelling concepts I ever found in spiritual texts.

Not to mention, I have always admired how, even amongst the sexual repression of the Catholic Church, Bernini was able to tell the unabashedly immoderate story of how human sensuality is a gift for understanding and communing with the infinite! What a curiously surprising thing for nuns and school children to see enshrined in a Catholic Cathedral.


The next thing I will preface with is that I have always had great love for the Hindu Upanishads. They were my first experience of spirituality, and a powerful first introduction to meditation, trance, and altered states. I discovered them as a child, maybe only 12 or so. I delighted in the idea that there were these ideas and experiences that normal people never got an opportunity to experience, that you could unlock merely by understanding your body and gaining control of your mind. I took away from those experiences many great gifts even then: an overriding love for the world and all of its inhabitants, a wonderful stillness of mind that brought me both joy and the mindfullness to be in control of my own thoughts, and the concept that the body and sensuality are a gift that is the birthright of humanity.

I am not certain if I am just pre-disposed to be a sensual person, or if it is life experiences like that, but it is worth pointing out that sense experiences (paintings, music, literary imagery) can be extremely powerful for me. Very often music that resonates with me will send waves of feeling over my skin, and pulses through my spine.

So on to the experience itself.

I have for a little while been revisiting the exercises and techniques I recall from the Upanishads. I had decided that where I am now in my life, I have more perspective to understand them, and to apply what I learned then with what I know now. And that turned out to be miraculously true.

Many people here will be familiar with the Chakra system concept. I have my own views on what this system is, but I won't go into those here. Those familiar will know the concept that the base chakra is the root of the body's energy, which is heavily sensual in nature, and gets transduced into other forms. At least that is the Hindu understanding, and what many practitioners believe today. Suffice to say that the exercise I was following from memory dealt with this transduction.

Many people may also be familiar with the concept that the yogis will never explain their full techniques, or put them into writing, because they are believed to be incredibly dangerous for untrained eyes to find. I am also of this belief, and so I will not here publish the exact thing I was doing, for fear that others may find it at the wrong time on their path and do themselves harm; I am incredibly sorry to be such a tease with something this sublime, although those of you who want more details can discuss it via PM. I can say I am of the belief that with the right knowledge, likely any healthy and fit person can experience what I experienced then. But it would be irresponsible of me to post such things here.

Suffice to say, I was on my back, after having entered heavy trance, and was in the process that the yogi's understood to be the transferance of energy from the low center upward. My reasons for following these exercises was to explore the effects, and note the sensations from my current life perspective. Note... the sensations. These words proved very weak for what happened next. With very little warning, there was a sharp contraction in my abdomen, and a surge of sensation shot along my spine. These sensations repeated and quickly intensified. Soon I was arching my back, and massive waves of sensual feeling were surging through my limbs, neck, face, extremities... the motions were the semi-voluntary means to flow with the feeling, but they soon became near involuntary. My entire form was wracked with force of such great intensity it filled every nerve with hyper-peak excitement, and it was impossible not to gasp and vocalize very strongly with the overwhelming force of it all. My shoulders, as they took on the weight of my body as my spine arched into the air fiercely, throbbed and pulsated as though being massaged by angels. My toes curled as far as they could move. I think the female readers will have some context for partially understanding these sensations, but their magnitude was astronomical.

As I have remarked, I am an extremely sensual person. I feel most things far more strongly than most. Up till now, I would rate the highest intensity my nervous system has ever responded with at a 12 out of 10, lol. This was a 50 out of 10. It was outside of anything I expected human forms capable of experiencing. It was a perfect union of agony and electrifying full body response. It lasted for what I surmise was a few minutes, but was an eternal moment, and it left me unable to move or do anything but rest for a long time afterward. As my form writhed and shrieked, it was for a moment an extinction of self and a union with everything. I was the bed, I was the air, I was creation itself, and I was burning with the power of a star. When it "ended" (I am not sure it even has yet) I was both flooded with joy and filled with relief to have come through to the other side of it. It was every bit the supremely exhilerating visitation from the godhead, and the effects are as much emotional as they were physical.

The event itself is something that has lasting echoes as well. I still feel tingling nerves playing over my limbs for large parts of the day, even a week later now. It is as though a powerful amount of energy has been transduced into pure joy that animates my entire life. Walking is like dancing. While I have always felt a strong connection between myself and the natural world while outdoors, now it is like I am part of a chorus. Running is like sex. I feel waves of feverish heat still flowing over my body as aftershocks. I get the impression that even though I know how to make it happen again in theory, that I would be ill-advised to try, because I am still coming to terms with the effects of it having happened even once. I don't even know how long these effects will be with me... if it is like my childhood, maybe forever.

I very much understand now why the Hindus feel base Chakra energy is the fire that fuels everything, and that its transduction is a supremely powerful action. Perhaps this is what people refer to as "Kundalini" these days, although for me the experience was very spinal, but without that painful twisting people report of that event. Even so, I don't think it is wise for me to follow further down that path, because the bodily effects are profound, and are clearly outside of my control. It may be years before I feel up to allowing it to happen a second time. I feel like a thimble that was asked to hold a river. In fact, the shock of it all prevented me from expressing it here until today. Even now, I feel my shoulders throb and heave. I have long overflown.

English is a powerful, powerful language, but there is only so much you can express in words. Bernini's Ecstasy of Saint Teresa above is a much greater attempt at the concept than I can provide. I can't help look at her image now, and think to myself, "Yeah, I get it Sister."

I hope this helps someone, in some way!
2  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Is it possible to become "stuck" in the astral? on: Today at 03:28:22
Anyways, when you did project what seemed like months, when you "came back", how much "time" passed? (quotations to save the "technicalities" and such, read replies like that too much for my liking) Cause man, call me crazy, but I would love to stay projected for months, years, and as long as i need to complete my tasks as long as very little time passes in our physical selves. Even if not so, I might have to take on that risk   wink

I described the experience last year when it happened. The long, huge experience I had came as one of a set of experiences that dealt with experiencing the death of other people I failed to prevent, and in experiencing long separation from those close to me. My perception of it all was that I had a months long experience in the course of a night. It started as a lucid dream that ended up having a huge amount of "staying power", and emotional content.

Another kind of experience I have heard others describe (which I never had myself to my recollection) is what I as an outsider to that stuff call the "time loop". These projectors described experiences where they were placed in the special situation of another person or being's life, and they had to make the "right" decision- and being forced to repeat the scenario over and over until they did. Lionheart and Szaxx have both reported this type of experience multiple times, if you wanted to ask them about it.
3  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Is it possible to become "stuck" in the astral? on: Yesterday at 20:23:37
Separation is totally illusional. So you can be projected and in your body at the same time

Definitely worth saying twice. It really informs this whole issue.
4  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Spiritual Messages in Popular Music on: Yesterday at 09:24:37
There are thousands. In fact, good music is mostly about spirituality. I will get you a good list though tomorrow hopefully, when I am better slept  wink
5  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Is it possible to become "stuck" in the astral? on: Yesterday at 08:26:39
It's not really qualified as being stuck because after a projection, your mind/spirit/wisdom will be in continuous evolution.

It is a question of language, and what being "stuck" means to you. To me, it means I wanted to leave, and wasn't able to. In fact I almost gave up on the idea of returning. But then I did return after all, just not quite when I wanted to- many weeks of perception later, actually. These experiences are uncommon, but not unheard of. Many here have had them (I think you can talk to Szaxx about a few wild ones he had too). Some people (like me) call that stuck, maybe to others stuck means something more profound, not sure.

Language, lol. It gets you every time.  rolleyes
6  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Is it possible to become "stuck" in the astral? on: Yesterday at 00:21:23
I believe that projection isn't a here and there type of thing.

That is a good point. I am also of that viewpoint. Logically, that means if you find yourself "stuck" in a place, you are of course still in your body, but you are in the process of your stream of consciousness going through a different thread before it invariably returns to your body, or so I would expect.
7  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Is it possible to become "stuck" in the astral? on: October 18, 2014, 16:24:02
Mostly it seems only if you let it be scary for you (and the fear can definitely be a barrier).

In fact, a huge component of this practice, and spiritual life in general, is learning to discard most of your fear, to live with poise and resolve. Is fear warning you of risks you ought not to take? Then listen. If not? It is probably useless.

Aside from lasting long, the extended experiences weren't frightening in themselves.
8  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Is it possible to become "stuck" in the astral? on: October 18, 2014, 06:25:55
A very complicated question with no simple answer.

The trite answer that is almost always given to this question ( in order not to scare new people away) is that you can always get back.

Generally speaking, I would say you can return "pretty much" always, and even the thought of returning is enough to end the experience in most cases. In almost any normal circumstance, there isn't much to fear about not being able to return when you want.

Not always though... for whatever reason, some experiences will have quite a presence to them... I and others have had experiences that seemed they lasted weeks or months. In the midst of experiences like that... it might feel like you are trapped. Are you really trapped though? Hard to say, although in those situations I did sometimes have a strong desire to return. But the experience is your new life for a while, and you play with the cards you are dealt (usually there seems to be something learned in these situations, as it doesn't seem entirely random).

The short of it... is that it is a big, big, big world out there. Almost impossible to write rules that describe all of it. By engaging in this practice, you are thrusting out into the unknown, and to an extent you need to be ok with that. I think among the people who practice this, there may be at least some strain of brazen audacity... a desire to know and learn and experience, and a willingness to take risks at times in pursuit of it all.
9  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: ALIEN from the movie - did anyone encounter? on: October 13, 2014, 23:46:58
If you mean the great Ridley Scott movie, they have named that creature the "Xenomorph" so that people can talk about it, and others can know what alien they are talking about lol.

Definitely haven't seen it.

In fact I don't know why a person would, unless they had it on their mind in particular... then they might stand a great chance of seeing one.
10  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Astral plane is the 4th or 5th dimension? on: October 05, 2014, 03:21:10
Suppose for a moment that someone told you the projection environment was the "5th dimension". What would it mean to you, exactly? How would this information provide you with anything useful about the experiences people had there?

It is sort of like a very small child asking a programmer if they were writing their code in C++ or Java. Suppose the programmer said C++... but the child knew nothing about these other than their names... what would that information tell the child about the programmer, or their program? Even if someone told you it was one or the other, what would you do with that information?
11  Metaphysics / Welcome to Quantum Physics! / Re: Tom Campbell's theory of "rendering" on: September 25, 2014, 16:17:03
therefore not the real reality per se?

That physical reality isn't what is perceived to be (namely, the base, ground reality, which doesn't depend on other realities for its existence), doesn't mean it isn't real... just not what it is made out to be.

In the (probably a bit too cryptic) music example, I am expressing the concept that there is no medium on which music is impressed, and no void (which is itself in some ways a thing- a space where nothing resides, but could) it occupies. Sure, soundwaves propagate as wave pulses on matter, but that isn't what music is, that is what sound is. Music is the experience humans have, as prompted by that sound. If you have a room full of crabs, and play for them a CD of "Bach's greatest hits", there is no music there.  The crabs can't integrate it into experience that is meaningful to them. Yet there can be music in your head, when no sound is playing- that should tell you what music is. Applying this analogy to physical reality, which we are supposing to be simulated, lines of code depicting empty and unexperienced space is truly nothing in our frame of reference. It is less than a void. Perhaps it has existence in the mind of the consciousness that animates the simulation by setting the code in motion, but that is the only place it could have reality.

Un-experienced space is Bach for Crabs. That is the Zen you should take away, lol.
12  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: create your own videogame level in the astral? on: September 22, 2014, 23:24:29
ummmm ok. ?!?!?!???!!?Huh

Ok, maybe I can rephrase it... how do you know that what you are asking to do- to construct a video game environment to experience- isn't precisely what is happening to you now?

And I don't mean that in the "conspiracy Keanu" way, but in the deadly serious way  wink
13  Metaphysics / Welcome to Quantum Physics! / Re: Tom Campbell's theory of "rendering" on: September 18, 2014, 21:00:22
I think Tom's position is likely to be correct. Supposing as I do that consciousness is the only thing that exists, and physical worlds are a sort of software simulation whose outputs are sense-data like sights and smells, it only makes sense that places that have no experiencer thus have no existence outside of a background part of the simulation's code. The metaphor of computer games he harps on does have a very close relationship with the way things seem to be.

Consider it like music... is there music in a piano while it is laying still? It is only while the keys are played and the mechanisms are in good order that there is any music. There exists no "music space", or "potential music"- it only happens where there is the event of playing and a listener. So too with this reality stuff. The space of the physical world unoccupied is at best a few strings of code in the simulation that has no expression and thus no physical existence, because its only physical expression is in the form of sense data, which in that moment is denied.
14  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Untruths on: September 13, 2014, 00:34:41
Lots of reasons.

One is fear... fear of many kinds... fear of losing something or someone, fear of retribution, fear of what others would think of them if they told an uncomfortable truth, fear of something in their life changing, etc.

Another is to use words as a weapon- to deceive an enemy, to harm someone emotionally, to acquire something unearned, as a tool of war, etc.

Another is as a means for acquiring resources of many kinds, such as human affection, or physical materials.

I think it is important to recognize that the natural world we live in favors lies and appearances over truth. There is usually strong motive to hide weaknesses, to confuse attackers, to feign strengths, to hide resources, etc. in the animal world. Humans inhabit that world, and are evolved from the same material. The base condition of nature is deception- it is in our genes. Children quickly learn to lie without being taught for many of the above reasons, and it is only through exposure to human culture they learn to do otherwise. We form implistic social agreements to be truthful to those close to us, but those agreements do go against nature to some extent at times.

So a short answer is the person you know is operating on their basic natural state, and cultivations you expected to be there are in fact not, or in slightly smaller amounts. You will find this is true of almost everyone. I think you may take slightly less offense when you realize it is in their direct nature to lie, but clearly a long conversation is still needed with them.

I wish you both well! If you wanted to speak through the issue any further with any of us, feel free to PM!
15  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: DMT on: September 04, 2014, 22:23:00
Most hallucinogens, including Ayahuasca actually, make people sick. While Ayahuasca under the supervision of experienced practitioners is one of the safest paths with this stuff, it still has its costs too. Many people will empty their stomachs, and because you are ingesting plants which aren't really food, there is still the chance of allergic reactions.

Note this statement is not encouragement to keep doing the frog thing, lol, but rather a warning that none of this is without costs or risks.
16  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: So I've started writing a book this afternoon! on: September 04, 2014, 11:22:14
The fiction angle might actually be a good one actually. Many people would engage with much greater ease with a captivating story with metaphysical elements than a potentially dry tract on parapsychology research and dozens of anecdotal accounts.

In fact, now that I consider it, Monroe's books were written as a narrative that just happened to be mostly true-to-life but didn't need to be, and I think that is a large part of his success.

Perhaps it might also help if you wrote in French; although the overwhelming demand is in English literature, you might actually be responding to an under-served audience, and I am sure you would do it with less linguistic hurdles.
17  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: sealing question on: September 04, 2014, 08:11:22
I don't think Xanth's original question has been answered yet though, lol. What do you mean by this sealing business?
18  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: So I've started writing a book this afternoon! on: September 04, 2014, 06:06:12
Everything begins with the Source.
Some call it God.
But I donít like giving a physical appearance to something so enlightened.
The Universe is forever changing as you are reading this book.
The Source is the origin of all consciousness.

I think this is something many people here would agree with you on. One thing that really jumps out to me though about this writing style is that it takes the form of a proclamation. It is written in the same way as most scripture in that respect; ie.: "This is is how things are, and you better accept it because it's true". For this reason I don't think many people would be interested in reading statements like that unless they already believed them. I think it might be better to structure things as a case or an argument you are building; present your sources for these beliefs you have, present the research, evidence, and personal experiences, etc., and use them to support what you are telling the reader. If I read the above, even being as immersed in this field as I am, I would be highly turned off, because I would expect a work of faith and belief to follow. I understand this is only an introduction, and you intend to support your material as you get deeper in, but you should note that what you say in that introduction will set the tone for the rest of what follows. For that reason, I would recommend not starting at the beginning, but in the middle. Write the body chapters, and only after they are mostly complete, then go back and write your conclusion material, and the introduction that will acquaint the reader with what that conclusion will be and how you hope to support it.

Note also that this field is super-saturated with books. As Blue pointed out, you need to say something new and noteworthy, or you may have trouble standing out from the many competent predecessors, like Monroe, Tart, and Campbell that have literal lifetimes of research experience in this area.

Hope that helps, and good luck in the writing!
19  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: At what level of sleep is the easiest to leave your body? Alpha? Beta? Theta? on: September 03, 2014, 09:55:23
Hovering around the Theta-Delta border. Delta is usually too deep and doesn't involve much of the conscious mind. I haven't seen research on it (not that it doesn't exist), but I am fairly sure a projector will look mostly theta-ish in brain frequencies. Theta is where dreams happen, and a person's brain in a projection state is in a similar gear.

Is it true that a person can leave his/her body at the border between awake and asleep? Can you be at the border while watching TV?

Yes, but far from an ideal method to attempt to reach the state on your own. It would have happened by accident, due to exhaustion, which is also not conducive to projections.

Can you be at the border while reading a book?

Yes, but same answer applies here. I don't know of anyone here who can do it in that circumstance, and I know for me it would be impossible.
20  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: healing projection with the sun? on: September 02, 2014, 11:58:15
I might not be the person to answer this, because I don't view projection to be an activity that drains an "energy tank"  in our bodies which determines our time-limit (fortunately or unfortunately, a person's attainments in this field don't reflect their effort or cultivations that particuarlly well), but out of curiosity, what is the reasoning here? Definitely not discounting any possibility of things of which I know not, but why is the sun your theoretical target? Take me a bit deeper into the rabbit hole you are down.
21  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Yesterday? on: September 02, 2014, 10:00:31
I count myself fairly closely with the others. I call yesterday what happened before the people around me awoke from their sleep. Unless I haven't slept in a while myself, then I forget and start to call the time before I myself slept yesterday. If I am speaking with people from far away places, such as now, the concept of yesterday ceases to have meaning, and I speak of calender dates instead.

I think we are suffering some sort of Zen Ko'an here, lol.

What do you call yesterday Xanth, and why?
22  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Eyes twitching on: August 25, 2014, 19:16:24
Could be entirely unrelated, but how long is your hair, and where does it lie? I say this because at times my medium-length hair can brush into the region of my eye-lash, and cause an irritated twitch if I don't notice it happening. It sounds plausible that something similar may happen to you. But then there are many other possibilities too.
23  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: DMT on: August 23, 2014, 08:49:18
4 ceremonies in 2 weeks... that sounds a bit intense for a person with no prior experience more than likely, considering how intense one experience may be under the right conditions.
24  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Robin Williams RIP on: August 19, 2014, 20:30:33
Some have called him a coward for taking his own life,

There are statements that he was likely on prescription "selective serotonin re-uptake inhibitor" (SSRI drugs). Those types of substances can trigger some radically impulsive episodes in people, and are often noted for causing depressed, non-suicidal people to convert into depressed, suicidal people. When you take a catalogue of all the recent mass-shooters and suicides, a startling percentage have SSRI's somewhere in the mix. Not saying he bore no-responsibility, but those substances can really throw a person a nasty curveball more often than not.

(Note, this is not medical advice to anyone, just my feeling on that class of drugs).
25  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: How long do OBE's last? on: August 16, 2014, 03:31:11
I see you were able to login  wink

Pretty damn variable actually. Most of my recent experiences have been extended from lucid dreams, as I am going to bed exhausted and need the sleep. Typical ones will last maybe 10-20 minutes. But they can get MUCH longer. There seems to come a time when the perception of how long has passed in the experience doesn't match up with how much time passed in the physical world. I have had experiences that seem to last literal weeks. One that I had this year found me in a sort of "school" environment, wondering if I had become trapped there, or if I was perhaps actually dead. Usually you can get back if you want... but it is a big world out there, and lots of things happen out of the norm.
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