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101  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Having a Bad Day? on: November 09, 2014, 16:41:32
Very much so. As an example, may I submit First World bad day and Third World bad day. All about perspective and relative to expectations and assumptions.

Indeed. And third world good day and first world good day might be very similar in how they are experienced (third world good day might even be substantially better), even though first world good day might take substantially more resources to happen for some people.

The human system is actually very simple. It really doesn't take much to push our buttons in a good way.

If you are able to have third world good days, yet live in the first world, you are truly lucky I feel. You might as well be living in Amitabha's paradise!
102  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Death Bed Confession From Area 51 Scientist on: November 09, 2014, 14:01:46
Yes, and they may also be a sort of psychological archetype to an extent. Terrence Mckenna was famous for discussing the interactions with what he termed "machine elves"- these sometimes humanoid, sometimes whirling geometric forms that resemble the narrative of such beings. Maybe Mckenna was interacting with trans-dimensional beings. Maybe he was interacting with a part of his own psyche he was able to access through his DMT use, and which is common to humans.

These depictions are definitely a part of the human experience, for reasons not entirely known.
103  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Death Bed Confession From Area 51 Scientist on: November 08, 2014, 22:34:54
While I have to admit the alien photos closely resemble that rubber doll in all but a few details (maybe the photo depicts a slightly different model of the same line), it does get you wondering what motivation people have to commit a hoax as their last public act before dying. Perhaps some of these "deathbed confessions" are done by people posing as dying individuals, but then, these people are still 75 and 80 years old. What business or desire does an old man of that age have fooling people... while there are some people that just never learn, it does make you think.

It gets hard to dismiss all of these accounts, even if there are a steady stream of obvious hoaxes.

Thanks for posting, Light!
104  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Spiritual Messages in Popular Music on: November 08, 2014, 17:56:04

Brilliant video.
105  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: New ideas on energy. Thoughts? on: November 07, 2014, 11:54:04
Well I don't quite believe what the article says. The support is non existant.

Unfortunately I have to agree. This person is exclaiming this stuff quite exuberantly, without a concern to explaining it or justifying the claim with data.

Which is not to say that humans haven't managed feats like this, or even more miraculous at times-- potentially at least. But the speaker is giving a clarion call for all to practice this, and I can't see it being anywhere near that simple, if it works at all.
106  Energy Body and The Chakras / Welcome to Energy Body and The Chakras / Re: Interesting self discovery....harmful? on: November 07, 2014, 11:15:07
So I found out that I believe I was experiencing Kundalini. It got to the point where I pulled as much energy from my crown into pretty much every fiber of my physical body that I could think of. Towards the end I could actually feel something "moving me". I felt like a puppet on strings if I went limp and complied with the energy that was tugging at my head. Needless to say I was very surprised. Its been more than an hour and I'm still grounding down energy. Probably was rather foolish to try to attempt or control something I didn't completely understand. Luckily I have a level head so I didn't become overwhelmed from the energy I was feeling.

I had to put up with it most of the day and didn't find out what it was until near the end of it. So it was quite an doubt when I come "completely down" I'm probably going to feel exhausted. Foolish as it was... at least I have an idea where to put boundaries.

I would say be careful about categorizing what happened to you. Kundalini is a concept that has been hijacked by pretty much everyone these days, and there is no way to separate the mythology and mis-information from what might be genuine material. You have to to take your own experiences for the individual character they possess, and try not to fit then into theories which others describe. I know how powerful these experiences can be though... I have had a few throughout life, and one very strong one recently I am still learning from. I can relate to the puppet feeling... forces like these can overload a person and take away their motor control.

I also very much relate to the thought that this can be harmful. It is so alarming, and has such force, it demands respect. Honestly, I would want to assure you that there is no danger, but I am not certain of that myself.

From being in a potentially similar experience, I might say take it slowly and learn from what you have been shown, and don't push anything. But we are sort of on our own with this stuff. You have to judge what is safe for you, and not put yourself outside of that sphere.

As Blue has said, I think these experiences can put a person in touch with greater realities and forces, that can show you all sorts of wonderful things, and change your outlook on existence.

Be safe, and I wish you well with this!
107  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Man is to be eaen alive by a anaconada on: November 07, 2014, 08:40:53
Poor anaconda.
108  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Having a Bad Day? on: November 06, 2014, 03:10:09
It comes down to how much control the individual has over their reality and their experiences. I think it can be argued that many people have a very high degree of control, greater than 80% even over their mental states, but in order not to have some days that are "worse" than others, they would need control over the full human condition, which no one I have ever met has achieved. There are just things that can happen to a person that are beyond their control, and beyond the ability of even a heavily developed individual to cope with I think.

But it also depends on what is meant by "Bad day". Is a bad day a day where nothing is learned? Is it a day where there are more terrible experiences than good ones? Is it a day where everything is outside of the person's control?

I have heard some argue that the sensations we experience as negative can be experienced as positives if we change our attitude toward them; in my opinion though, this thesis actually calls into question the basis of ethics then, because normally we reason inductively that if pleasant experiences are good for us as individuals, it is probably good for others to have pleasant experiences as opposed to traumatic ones, and we align our actions toward others to facilitate this. If what are normally thought of as negative experiences are just as desirable to have, then we potentially have no basis for treating others well, outside of self-interest.
109  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Trying to understand my experience on: November 05, 2014, 10:19:48
Trying to ground the best I can but Im not sure what else to do.

This is probably the best bet if you are uncomfortable with it, and it is disrupting your normal day.

Eat some heavy foods. Spend some time outside during the day. Lay on your side at night, rather than your back. Pay more attention to bodily sensations than mental sensations.

Trust me, I have been in my fair share of prolonged altered states. It can be wonderful, but it can also take you out of sync with your normal reality, and get you into trouble with your life routines, unfortunately.
110  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Living life! on: November 05, 2014, 10:11:12
Lol... "dream."

I had a somewhat normal college experience. I drank very little, but there were maybe 6-7 times over my first degree where I had a moderate amount to drink (3-6 drinks). It was ok. To me, the many dangers associated with alcohol, and the feeling of indigestion I got immediately after drinking overshadowed the positive social effects. Which isn't to say people shouldn't drink per se, but I think what people are looking for in those situations is something to help get them in a certain state of mind.

When you realize your are in control of your own mindstates... ultimately it becomes a, "Whats the point of using a somewhat dangerous substance to get me to place I could easily take myself?" situation.

Being in college, I would say participate by all means, but you don't need anywhere near the numbers you are talking about to have a very strong effect. 3 shots in 10 minutes is a foolhardy amount, and you are guaranteeing you will get sick.

After you have been there a few times, you can learn the mental state on your own, and take yourself without any external aids at all!
111  Astral Chat / Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Introductions and Salutations! on: November 04, 2014, 11:38:54
Robert Bruce has done TMI courses?  Damn, they must be getting desperate.   wink

Lol- behave, you.

What in the world is TMI? Welcome btw I take it your in Australia?

"The Monroe Institute" (After Robert Monroe)- a place where they did quite a lot of parapsychology back in the day, and still teach courses and seminars. It is actually in Virginia, quite close to me, but somehow I have never gone. Charles Tart and Thomas Campbell have a long standing relationship with them.

Welcome to the forums!
112  Astral Chat / Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Hey there guys on: November 04, 2014, 11:20:25
I didn't really know what I was looking for... but eventually it felt like my brain(or my consciousness I suppose)  was pressing against a wall or a ceiling. So I tried to push passed it... the pressure on my head kept increasing the more I pushed. Then suddenly out of nowhere it felt like something was pouring down my entire body. It was the greatest feeling I ever felt, I never felt so alive in my entire life. Like I somehow put myself in a euphoric state.

I know what you mean. Eventually, it gets to the point were you can sit down, and be perfectly still, but it is like there is a party in your head, and only one person got invited.  wink

It can feel so wonderful it hurts even. Sort of like how you can eat so much ice cream you get sick. I guess it sort of feels like someone is massaging your entire nervous system, but that doesn't do the state justice. For me, it gets me feeling so content, that I immediately want to pass it on to everyone around me.

Glad you are finding the site useful!

Native Irish, or transplant, btw?
113  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Felt the vibrations, is it normal that my heartbeat raises? on: November 03, 2014, 12:47:13
but he was happy about the fact that I did not need any prescriptions and that I was doing fine without them.

I am glad you can get by without them too, and even more glad that your physician isn't a pill pusher  wink
114  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Having an Orgasm while in Sleep Paralysis and in a Lucid Dream State on: November 01, 2014, 21:01:38
You can't really take the sounds you hear in the hypnogogic state, or in SP at face value. I find them to be pretty random myself. Another interesting experience.
115  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Polaris Interviews Robert Bruce on: October 31, 2014, 19:51:27
Part of the issue in this field is that there are no actual authorities.

There are only those who know significantly more, or have significantly better experience with it (Bruce, Campbell, Monroe, Bulhman, etc), but still hold many potentially false ideas.

Because there are no authorities, I think there is a tendency to want to take the writers we have at face value on everything they say; once a person realizes what you said though Blue, I think these writers become a great tool.

The danger though is just by virtue of having a book, people assume someone is trustworthy, or that their ideas hold much more weight. This can be difficult for new people to see past.
116  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Polaris Interviews Robert Bruce on: October 30, 2014, 20:05:07
Having a method of protection, whether required or not, would open the door for many more to learn the art. An inherent safety net would create the mindset of safety for the more nervous.

Maybe, but it also gets people asking why the safety net is there, and it gets them thinking about using it, and anticipating when it will be used next. For instance think of going to the mall... and the last time you were attacked there. Could you be attacked at the mall? Absolutely, but it doesn't really factor into your thoughts of what the mall is, or what the experience is like. If you go walking down the halls with the thought that every person you see is a possible assailant there, you are actually opening yourself up to slightly more likely altercation. And not to mention... you are doing it wrong... having the wrong experience. For me, the emphasis Bruce puts on the need for protection puts people into that state, where so much more so than in the mall example, they are inviting a conflict.

When a person wakes into a projection and sees alien bugs nibbling their feet, Bruce tells that these are probably negative entities that must be banished. No other explanations are given, such as the beings being a metaphor for certain fears or insecurities the person might have, or even that they might exist as such, but be downright harmless. In fact, Bruce lists page after page of these experiences, and primes others to have them too by expectancy.

117  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Felt the vibrations, is it normal that my heartbeat raises? on: October 30, 2014, 10:43:41
I use a recliner for positioning comfort.  I cannot lay on my back for any length of time.
Still water I'm putting my physician to the test today.  grin  we'll see how he does.

A worthy trial  wink
118  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Ecstasy of Saint Teresa, or how I came to experience Primal Union with Creation on: October 30, 2014, 08:35:59
As I have mentioned a few times, a wasp will do what a wasp does.
Most see them and instantly go for the kill.
If you watch them chew at rotting wood to make a nest you are on the right path.

Reminds me of the opening chapter of "Their Eyes Were Watching God":

Janie was stretched on her back beneath the pear tree soaking in the alto chant of the visiting bees, the gold of the sun and the panting breath of the breeze when the inaudible voice of it all came to her. She saw a dust-bearing bee sink into the sanctum of a bloom; the thousand sister-calyxes arch to meet the love embrace and the ecstatic shiver of the tree from root to tiniest branch creaming in every blossom and frothing with delight. So this was a marriage! She had been summoned to behold a revelation. Then Janie felt a pain remorseless sweet that left her limp and languid.

Insects are amazing for sure. One nice thing about being a kid is that your face is a lot closer to the ground, and these dramas play out for you so much more easily.
119  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Ecstasy of Saint Teresa, or how I came to experience Primal Union with Creation on: October 30, 2014, 04:14:36
Despite all this development, I can't say I know much. The path of "enlightenment" as some like call it, feels less like a confident stride and more a bumbling through the dark with my pants on my head. Am I getting somewhere? It feels like it, but I don't know.

I know the feeling. I have come so far, but there is so much in front of me. I want to help others, but I don't know that I actually know enough not to mislead them. I am certainly no authority.

I've been working on this and I'm having some trouble with the "stop all thoughts part". I often get into the these trances on walks, but its often broken by some barreling thought train. But man...when you do hit that sweet spot. Its likes seeing the world through a child's eyes for the first time. Its wonder how you've never seen it that way before?

For me, it comes very easily. It is less something I have to try (so the "stop thoughs completely, almost" might be a bit confusing), and more something that just happens. If you play a musical instrument, I am sure you will get the next bit: the only instrument I ever learned to play somewhat well was the piano. And part of playing well is to play without effort. It is about doing something until it becomes unconscious memory, and your body just knows what to do with minimal input from your conscious mind. It just sort of falls out of your fingers because they know what to do. I think that state of mind is about being there so often, and for such a large part of your day, that it becomes a default state.

As for meditation, I'm working myself to a consistent 15-20 minutes a day. I'm no where NEAR 2-3 hours of trance but that sounds simply joyful. Attention is such a fickle beast.

Oh, it doesn't have to be 2-3 hours a day, or even 2-3 hours a week. Eventually, the meditative state is something that spills over into your life, and you find less need to actually sit down for it. The concept here though is that when you can get to the point where 3 hours of sitting (or lying down) is exhilerating rather than boring, you are probably already there.

For a long time I suffered from pretty low confidence, and was in denial about it. I tried to maintain an "image" of me being a smoother more socially adept person then I really was, which gave my critical mind a field day when I failed to measure up.

It might please you to note then that I am as socially awkward as they come. Being socially accepted is a matter of understanding certain social conventions, and then learning to respect the social conventions of the group you would like to be accepted into. I guess I would say that I don't have so much concern for how I am perceived- to me how I feel is more important than how I am seen (and that is nice, because it allows a person to be fairly uninhibited); to any observer, I am probably fairly bizzare in my mannerisms! A funny walk... maintains eye-contact way too long...hangs out with homeless people(they are some of the only people who will connect with a stranger on a profoundly personal level)...I guess I must look like a hipster on anti-depressants, lol. You have to learn not to try to impress others by knowing the right secret handshakes. You might be surprised how much the outward traits of being dis-interested in all of that will still be noticed, and how many people will still connect well with you. Very few people are their true self in public. They don't want to make a scene, and they want to be accepted by those around them. When you actually are (your actual, un-modified self)... some people will be disgusted, and some people will connect to it instantly. And impressing the sort of people who demand a rigid set of pre-determined qualities in the people they interact with isn't worth your time or your worry.

I think you get it though. Not loving yourself will only hold you back, because you will feel unworthy. It isn't about narcissism, it is about being comfortable with yourself.

"The Mole is an animal that digs tunnels underground. In search of the sun, it sometimes comes to the surface. When it sees the Sun, it is blinded."

 cheesy cheesy cheesy
120  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: what would you guys say about this video? on: October 28, 2014, 21:13:31
How much of what's said is true?

It is sort of true, lol...

I think the way it is couched is very strange though. If you watch the video closely, especially toward the end, the narrator is explaining how projections will make you this amazing person, and it will solve all of your problems for you, and you won't have to worry about anything ever again once you get there... and also, you will be a wizard of some kind.

Those things are generally more the result of serious meditative pursuit, and taking a piercing look at your own psychology- your basic physiological needs, the way you interact with others, your attitudes about yourself and the world... it is really hard to see projection only getting you all of those great rewards.

In short, I felt like the video was selling a person a false vision of projection's role in metaphysical pursuits- a notion that it is a shortcut to fulfillment of every kind. It takes away the responsibility and power for change from the individual, and puts it into this almost mythical object instead- I don't think that is healthy.

The imagery... could be real I guess, but the tempo was all off to me. It is almost always slower than that... exhilerating, but somehow in a relaxed way, at least for me.
121  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: most positive way AP has changed how you live? on: October 28, 2014, 03:56:33
Best thing I think I have learned... is that here is as great as there.

When I was young, I had this idea that physical life was wonderful, but that non-physical reality would be mind-blowing.

Well... it was mindblowing. But somehow on this path I also came to realize that this world is mind-blowing too... and damnit, here we are now, so let's get everything out of this experience that it has to show us!

Essentially, I learned that my drive to reach these subtle realities was an attachment, and an attachment that kept me out of the present moment, where satisfaction and joy already existed in heaping mounds!
122  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Polaris Interviews Robert Bruce on: October 28, 2014, 03:51:04
I also share this opinion on Bruce. Stand-up guy, has done great things for people in the awareness area.

But he scares the pollen out of people's buttercups, and needlessly. I have never found projection realities to be the war zone he has experienced. I really feel he may have started out looking for that unfortuneately.

I am an agnostic on energy bodies, and can't really comment on the emphasis he puts on these concepts (although I fully believe practices that developed around these concepts are still incredibly useful, perhaps for different reasons).

Also, welcome back, KR!
123  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Spiritual Messages in Popular Music on: October 28, 2014, 03:44:36
I think the others have expressed it well- there are some artists that merely make shallow references to "spiritualist" practices, but don't go deep into it. (Type 1)

There are others whom I would say are are writing about explicitly spiritual concepts, while using the well known language. (Type 2)

Then there are others that make no mention of language attached to spirtualism, but that elevate common subjects to the level of the spirit (Type 3)- this is the most skillfull of the approaches I feel, but the others are not bad in their approach, or less meaningful.

Some examples, by type:

Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros- Dear Believer
(Type 2)

Pure Bathing Culture- Ivory shore
(Type 3)

And here she does it more explicitly in type 2:

Pure Bathing Culture- Silver Shore's Lake
(Type 2)

Springsteen is a master of elevating mundane scenes of Americana into spiritual sacraments. Some sort of Greek Poet that managed to get lost and to be born In Jersey  cheesy

Bruce Springsteen- I'm on Fire
(Type 3)

Hell, even as a cover, here by Natasha Khan, this simple song about longing is drenched with spiritual force.

Bat for Lashes- I'm on Fire
(Type 3)

Tv on the Radio- I was a Lover
(Type 2)

Kate Bush... is some sort of demigod... at least she is something more than merely human. Every one of her 300 or so songs is intensely spiritual, literally irrespective of the subject. She is the original female pop-star (the pre-madonna primadonna, hehe), and oddly one that is only known in musical circles now. So I will here unload a small pile, lol.

Kate Bush- An Architect's Dream
(Type 2)

Kate Bush- Hounds of Love
(Type 3)

Kate Bush- Suspended in Gaffa
(Type 2)

I always liked this album cover... the world flows out from beneath her skirt. Such a powerful image on so many levels.

Kate Bush- Delius (Song of Summer
(Type 3)

Kate Bush- Alchemy
(Type 2)

If you like these few artists, I can give you many more, if you are looking for it! Music goes very deep for me.
124  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Ecstasy of Saint Teresa, or how I came to experience Primal Union with Creation on: October 28, 2014, 02:16:11
I understand why you don't want to post much of the information as to how you got to where you are. I look back at my past and see how all these little steps lead to where I am now. Taking shortcuts would mean to lack the context of understanding.

Yeah, I think you get it. An actual theoretical process for engaging this experience from zero doesn't exist probably. Rushing to the method itself would probably have almost no effect at all for a person who wasn't already ready; those at risk would probably be those who could get there, but who might have difficulty detaching themselves from the joy of it all.

For me at least, it likely had heavily to do with life experiences, attitudes, bodily health, a storing of several kinds of tensions that were released all at once, and a powerful love for the physical world, its inhabitants, and the underlying sensuality of our existence here. I don't expect you can get there in a day. But you might be able to get there in 3 months, and I think this is an easier path potentially to subtle realities than the projection path that is mostly followed here.

There is definitely that Jungian "Metanoia" trait to this all.

Is there any advice you can give me to point me in the right direction?

Advice I could give for getting into that primed state... would sound off the wall probably.

You would be asking yourself... is this a New Age manifesto?

When I read a lot of literature about chakras, etc... (leaving my views on what these may or may not be asside), it is clear to me that I didn't fully get most of it until now, despite having felt many "chakra sensations" in the past. This is sort of the attitude you would have to look at this stuff with... you won't get it until you are already there. That sounds like a cop-out, but so much of this happens by accident...

Ok here it goes:

-Listen to music, and don't listen to the singer, but imagine you are the singer. Feel the person's emotions, feel the joy and the suffering behind what they sing, and feel it in your body as powerful waves. You must do this with no distractions at all, with meditative focus. You and they are the same, and you are sharing their life experiences that they are expressing. I don't mean this figuratively, I mean it literally. That might be hard to do, but it will help get you to this place relatively fast. The point is empathy, and empathy is both developed and experienced by having yourself experience what the other person or creature is feeling in the most direct way possible. By an accident of biology, humans are designed to experience empathy through voices (and consequently musical intervals) most easily. If you question it... consider, what is more emotional, a text chat or a phone conversation?

-When you walk outside, you must stop your thoughts completely almost. There are trees, and wind, and clouds, and sky. They are magnificent things, and they envelop you and intoxicate you with their primal physicality if you invite them in.

-Change your relationship with your sexuality. Most people feel sexuality toward human adults, and sexual mental images, and this is very healthy and not at all detrimental. But there is a new way to experience this sexual energy... try experiencing it instead as bodily sensuality. Let this energy that is normally only felt for objects of sexual desire instead be transduced into feelings of joy at being immersed in the natural world, and a joy that you feel in your nerves and skin. If you can learn to experience the joy of seeing trees and clouds as a bodily excitement, this is another major step.

-Another extension of this is the transduction of sexual energy into love and compassion. Just as you can direct it into sensual joy for the physical world, that overflowing kind of energy can be re-directed into a kind of warmth you feel for others, and you badly want what is best for all other people and creatures at all times.

-Another strange way of building this vital force is athletic pursuit. For me, I think a kind of physical vitality and liveliness I developed as a result of running everyday for an hour. Remember I am a person who is highly sensual, so you can imagine how much energy and tension is built up in such a situation.

-Meditative pursuits- if you haven't already gotten there, learn the feeling of staying in trance for 2-3 hours, and being contented there. The above will help with this, and this will especially help with the above, conversely. Feel the joy of breathing in, and the joy of tension leaving your body as you exhale. This state is so relaxing and rewarding to experience on its own, you can comfortably spend hours in it, and it feels like time well-spent if you do it "correctly".

-Set your sights to the apex. You love yourself for what you are, but you constantly strive to become better, for the love of both yourself, and for those around you you can better love and serve. You do not accept failure or set-back- you defy them, and keep climbing. You know that every being has worth and value, and as such a being, you have an unquenchable longing to know the infinite and the creator, whatever that turns out to be for you, in your world view. You are a Christian? Then you can easily know this as Christ/ Father/Holy Spirit. Contemporary Spiritualist? Source. Hindu? Krishna / Brahman-Atman. Modern Secular-Humanist? The loving spirit of ethics and the grandeur of physical creation. It doesn't matter what you ascribe to, pretty much each worldview has a name for it, and you don't need to be a religious person to experience it, or to develop a deeper relationship with it.


I am comfortable sharing this much, and if you take that stuff to heart, you might find your way to where I wandered by sheer accident. Also, some of it might seem like quackery, or some breed of queer mysticism. I am not sure if I saw such a list of things as a child, if I would have given it much value other than some sort of zealous fanaticism. And yet I feel there is great transformative power in all of this if you are open to it. In the future I will expound on principles like these and others, and explain more closely how they fit into the whole; and I will also describe the physical exercises that may be relevant, if I am convinced it is the best way to serve people on this path; probably all as some sort of free ebook, but that is for well into the future.

I hope that helps!!!
125  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Ecstasy of Saint Teresa, or how I came to experience Primal Union with Creation on: October 28, 2014, 01:01:50
Man I would really read that stuff on Daoism if you write it here.
I'd even read the stuff on Buddhism!

When I get the chance around work and research (and still feeling a bit strange), I will definitely try to do these instances justice.

For now Kzaal... with respect to the Daoist perspective on it, look into the concept of the "Microcosmic Orbit"; this happened to be the route a lot of the sensations took before they branched off- a circuit up the back and down the torso on a centerline loop; and the posture she is taking was pretty accurate for the effect on the spinal posture it had in my case too (although laying down of course). There is a whole branch of Daoist literature I am seeing that is concerned with converting "Jing" (sexual force) sourced as "Yin" (female creative essence) into spinal "Qi" (spiritual essence); the normal pattern for both women and men in Daoism is Jing expulsion; the Daoists believe that this other process is the root of powerful transformative forces in an individual, and I have run into experiences being described that sound very much like those being discussed in this thread in that context.

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