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101  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: John Titor and multiple timeline theory on: May 08, 2015, 04:14:46
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I've said recently that the simple fact that you can use math to model *ANYTHING* in this reality is proof that this reality is virtual.
If you know the math, you can model everything.

Hard to know... maybe this is true, maybe it isn't.

There might be some intangibles in our experience here that don't fit into mathematical modeling... the best candidates for these being "first person experiences", like  "I feel too hot", or "I am elated". Now of course I know there are physically modelable processes surrounding these feelings, like temperature, and dopamine levels, etc, but I think your understanding is nuanced enough in this area to know what I mean when I say those are merely the periphoral "functionalist" explanations, that don't address the experential component. The mathematical model can tell us when a human might feel uncomfortably warm, but they don't have a prayer at explaining why the experience that human mind has is like it is.

I agree with you that this reality seems like a construct built from within another reality... but our minds are also part of this reality too, and they possess all of these slippery unquantified qualities...
102  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Anyone have experience with the work of Graham Nicholls? on: May 05, 2015, 03:03:51
60 Dollars for some sound files feels a bit too much like snake oil quackery. Those margins feel just way too high for someone out to benefit humanity, especially for a digital download. Media that is that expensive commercially usually took tens of millions of dollars to produce.

It also worries me that the term "infra-liminal" only really comes up in a search paired with sites he is mentioned on.

I don't have any negative things to say about him, as I don't have any acquaintance with he or his ideas personally.

If you choose to investigate his material, it would indeed be good to post a review, as it is always helpful for others to know whom to avoid, and who may be helpful.
103  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: John Titor and multiple timeline theory on: May 03, 2015, 19:00:04
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I think Campbells presentation and the theories he likes are sound.

That is hard to know. The most literal meaning of "Sound" would mean the theories he likes are true.

"Sound"  literally means that the formal logic argument structure is accepted, and the premises are known to be true. This means the conclusions are forced to be true (the theory must be true to be sound).

But yeah, I know what you mean here. When he tries an idea on, it is generally more than half-baked, and he provides reasons.
104  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Channeling M.U.H.A.M.M.A.D on: April 29, 2015, 17:42:24
I remember this thread from way back when... it seems like everyone who was around in 2003 is coming back to say hi, hehe.
105  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: John Titor and multiple timeline theory on: April 28, 2015, 18:40:47
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Out of infinite possibilities why should the sum total of them all be so much more negative than positive or neutral?

On the whole, the world would be staggeringly neutral, as likely greater than 99.9999% of worlds would not be able to sustain living creatures, at least how we know them physically. The staggeringly negative aspect would be the inhabited worlds. With the Buddhist reference, it must be noted that Siddhartha felt this particular world was defined by suffering. Most of the possible worlds inhabited by life would likely be far more negative than this one, under the multiple worlds hypothesis.

Some Judeochristian theologians define their concept of hell as merely randomness. The thought there is that an environment in which healthy beings can flourish in peace is hard to construct, and that it doesn't take malice, but merely dis-interest (random chance) for beings to suffer greatly. This view is reflected in the fact that the word "chaos" most closely means "mere randomness".

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Even if you run over something and have a serious tire/wheel problem develop, maybe you'll get more insurance money to repair it than it actually costs, and come out a few hundred dollars on top.

Hehe... you may have never filed an insurance claim  wink
 

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Anyway, who picks what's positive and negative?  That's a whole subject unto itself.

Yeah, there is quite a lot of interpretation in that area. Going by the Buddhist worldview we have been running with in this discussion though, the careless taking of life is seen as strongly negative in all forms of Buddhism I am aware of. The eightfold path is strongly concerned with avoiding all forms of harm, and being mindful of mental states. We have to remember that the multiple worlds hypothesis is taking every possible outcome, regardless of how likely a person is to take them in a normal setting. Consider again, what would happen if you took a random action every time you were given a choice, over a 2 minute period of driving the car... most of the possible outcomes would end up with multiple people dead, or at the very least, a crashed or inoperative vehicle. I understand that both positive and negative things can happen while you are driving, but the human world (cars included) functions by the assumption that people will choose very specific alternatives when given  the choice, and that humans are thus very predictable. Despite the fact that nearly 100% of the possible outcomes in driving a car are catastrophic, humans can be counted on to know how to continually choose the right ones most of the time.

Put a different way, say for instance you came to two open doors, and one of them led to a hallway, and the other a bottomless pit. Humans can be counted on to choose the hallway greater than 99% of the time. But given the multiple worlds theory, the outcomes would be chosen at equal rates, because probabilities like that are ignored, and every outcome is explored.

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There is a Taoist story of an old farmer who had worked his crops for many years. One day his horse ran away. Upon hearing the news, his neighbors came to visit. "Such bad luck," they said sympathetically. "May be," the farmer replied.

The next morning the horse returned, bringing with it three other wild horses. "How wonderful," the neighbors exclaimed. "May be," replied the old man.

The following day, his son tried to ride one of the untamed horses, was thrown, and broke his leg. The neighbors again came to offer their sympathy on his misfortune. "May be," answered the farmer.

The day after, military officials came to the village to draft young men into the army. Seeing that the son's leg was broken, they passed him by. The neighbors congratulated the farmer on how well things had turned out. "May be," said the farmer.

Yeah, that is from the Zhuangzi... I think my favorite Zhungzi passages are the ones about the twisted tree down by the "nothing at all" village, and the gourd raft. What a "mind full of underbrush" we all have, hehe.
106  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: John Titor and multiple timeline theory on: April 25, 2015, 16:12:50
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My question would be, who would it be terrifying for?  The idea could be terrifying for you but those realities themselves could only be terrifying to you if you experienced them, and as humans I don't know if we can experience them all at once.  Just one at a time it seems.  And some people do experience terrifying realities, and some don't.  The totality of existence, whether it's called God or the source or whatever, probably experiences consciousness in a radically different way than human beings do.  And why not?  We're just a small piece of the puzzle.

It is terrifying to me because the suffering of other beings matters to me immensely. And to me the many-worlds hypothesis doesn't seem to suggest a zero-sum world, so much as a staggeringly negative one.  

Consider when you are driving a car, for instance, down a city street. Most of the possible actions you have available to you to take will produce a very negative outcome. You could swerve off right, could swerve off left, could ride your car on the sidewalk, etc. Only a very narrow set of choices will see you producing what really amounts to a modestly neutral goal- getting your vehicle from A to B without catastrophe. There are far more ways you could have caused disasters on that trip. When you drive a car, I don't think the sum of possibilities is zero, but starkly negative. There isn't really a set of fantastic positive wonder events that may also happen that outweigh the 95% plus of possible outcomes that are terrible.

The car example also isn't unique. What saves our world from being so terrible is that negative choices are given weight in our minds, such that we are much less likely to choose them. But if every possibility plays out somewhere, the probability safety is no longer there.

In our lives we are threading a needle. We are hand-selecting what we perceive to be the best possible outcomes for ourselves, and hopefully others. I don't think humans know completely what is best, but I think we likely choose well more than poorly, at least on the individual level.
107  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: John Titor and multiple timeline theory on: April 24, 2015, 16:32:34
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The worlds would grow exponentially too. For every decision made there would be a change. It would be a very dynamic system. I think it fits Campbells MBT. Everything is consciousness and that consciousness seeks to grow and expand it's experience then the multiple worlds and timelines would do that. It would decrease entropy in fact it would be the very dynamic opposite of entropy.

This is something that has given me pause before. If the universal mind was seeking to cover all possibilities, this would indeed be a method for doing that. But consider the negative implications again- most of those worlds would be terrible!

George Noory phrased this concern well to me on Coast-to-Coast, a few years back. He reminds that in a good number of them, you might personally be a serial murderer, and in a handful, worse still. And these possibilities would be forced to exist.
108  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: John Titor and multiple timeline theory on: April 24, 2015, 10:35:48
Indeed.... there would be a trillion to the trillionth power... brought to the trillionth power again universes.

That isn't necessarily wrong...but it is terrifying even to think the world could be that vast. It is also terrifying, because most of those universes would either be empty, or hells, because for every possible "positive outcome", there are probably dozens of negative possibilities.

What is intuitive doesn't determine what is real. The last 2000 years of science proves that... but the many worlds theory is an uncomfortable one. 
109  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Demystifying the out of body experience book question? on: April 09, 2015, 09:09:47
There is a lot to be learned from the old texts on consciousness study, but you sort of need to read a lot of it through the lens of the authors doing the best they could with 2000-year-old understandings of the world at large. The trouble is that people read these things like they would read a cookbook. You can't follow the instructions word for word, and you can't really look to them to explain the world to you. But often they give you an idea of where to look, and what avenues you are probably ignoring.

For instance, do I think, as the Upanishads tell me, that placing my hands into certain mudras while I meditate is going to open special pathways to energy development? Not for a moment... that is the literal reading.

But... what if focusing my attention on my hands causes me pulse to sensation along my periphoral nervous system? What if these pulses cause a further relaxation that eases me into a theta-cycle trance more easily?

I think this is how you have to approach these things. Not as a blind devotee, but as an experimenter, and a questioner. The old techniques and knowledge takes you places. But it is up to you to figure out why!
110  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Looking for resonance between our world and many others on: March 29, 2015, 06:53:46
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I dont know if thats true or not, probably not but I cant be sure. I dont see any evidence directly for or against it, but theres lots of evidence for the simpler explanations of how the world came to be here involving cooling blobs of star becoming planets. Or did you mean somebody used that process to build this "game" world?

I've heard similar theories about this world being a game where spirits come to learn. They usually say spirits choose to forget its a game, as part of the game. If so, something could have gone wrong that prevents them from leaving the game when they wanted to or some external influence on the game that was not planned for. We cant trust this "game", if thats what it is.

If this is a game, I dont think I'm here to play it. I need tools to build more advanced parts of myself involving vibrating dimensions and shapes. Some of this stuff isnt as easy to find or build out there as it is here.

Also, if this is a game that I knowingly entered, its unlikely I meant to just play it as usual, and instead I'd probably be here to make sure the exits are clearly marked or explore bizarre ways of networking minds together in computer ways (how simulated minds work) and pandimensional ways (telepathy, telekinesis).

Either way, I am not here for what most are here for, and I will leave and not return any time I like, but I need to choose where I'm going and what I'll do first.


Yeah, it is clearly effective to use empiricism and the scientific method to understand the rules that govern this reality, and what its history has been. No argument there. At the same time, despite the fact that we can discern the laws that govern it all, the laws that don't appear to be derivative from others seem pretty arbitrary. It may well be that an intelligence has chosen an arbitrary set of starting rules, and a starting condition, and possessed either the computing power or the foresight to know sort of where those rules and starting conditions would lead.

Continuing on the supposition of the game analogy (which is speculation of course, but seems like it has a good chance to be true), and you accept the premise that you may have willfully limited your consciousness to "forget" for the purpose of the game, how would you know you were here to play it or not? That may be the point... starting from a position of ignorance.

Maybe your goal isn't what it appears to be, but something that happens accidentally in the process, and appears to be background, but is really crux.

For instance... a person decides to fly around the world. They crash in the Yukon halfway there, and live there for 2 months before they contact civilization again. They started with one goal, but had a totally different experience.

Or A person is a famous Piano player. Thing is though, the really significant part of their life is talking to roadies waiting for the shows to start, or the fact that traveling so much gave the person time to write several books in the meantime.

If we do have something like a purpose... it may not be obvious or known to us, or even discernable on this side.
111  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: My little boy is scared to go to sleep, 1 and a half. on: March 27, 2015, 13:01:24
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On my part, I've never understood why parents always think that we can't get no sleep if the lights are on

Has to do with the way our neurotransmitters react to light.

When we are still in high light levels, our brains are basically saying... ok, must still be day, hold off on making that melatonin; then when they are off, the opposite happens, and we get the neurotransmitters meant for sleep. Basically just the method evolution gave us so that we sleep at night and don't waste the daylight. Eventually with enough effort you can circumvent this natural order your body has, and it will adjust, but you are going against the way it is normally wired to think, so there is resistance.

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I know this may not quite fit into this forum but my little boy has been scared in his room at night time. Without even falling asleep he will sit in his bed when the lights go out and cry and point at different areas of his room. I sit with him and tell him to give them love and we blow kisses and wave goodnight to whatever he is seeing. Any ideas on what I could do to help him more? He's starting to not want to go in his room at night time period. Even though I do successfully calm him down and get him to sleep, usually falling asleep with him haha. When I was younger I had night terrors and saw terrifying things all the time, I think he may be experiencing similar things and I would like to help him in a way that does not limit his consciousness.

Sorry I am new perhaps someone could direct this post to the correct place!

He is a year and a half old. He could see literally anything at that age and it wouldn't be abnormal or worrisome. Children at that age are in a very hazy place... their brain chemistry is very strange compared to an adult, and their sleeping and waking states are far more similar.

What they see in their environment and what they picture in their minds are completely indistinguishable. Their imagined fears manifest to them in a way they can't ignore. Picture if every movie character you ever saw inhabited your waking reality with you. That is what it is like to be one year old. Every bad thing that happens to him or he sees will revisit his imagination. People like to point out how imaginative children are, as though it is a skill they have like playing a musical instrument. At that age, it is his reality too.

When you try to comfort him, keep that in mind- his fears are immediate and completely manifest in front of him. Assure him that you will not let anything harm him. I think you probably have a good approach already... keep planting the suggestion that his fears won't harm him and he has power over them too.

Very young children feel vulnerable and they want very much to grow up, because they want the safety of being bigger, as well as the freedom. Appealing to that drive is another approach parents use, and urging him to take charge of the situation like you have been doing is empowering to him.
112  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Looking for resonance between our world and many others on: March 27, 2015, 12:19:41
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There is a way for the sprinter to move faster without exercise. Its called a car. I'm not here to play games by some delusion of what the rules should be. I get things done by any means available that improve the world.

He wouldn't be much of a sprinter then lol.

If this thinking is applied to metaphysics, it would be like when a child asked their parents how to get to heaven, and they replied that she should build a space-time portal and warp there...

...or if a guy entered a contest for getting the highest score on oldschool Donkey-Kong arcades, and he won by hacking the game code before hand. I guess technically he would have a higher score, but do you think they would give him the championship? Would those who arranged the contest be impressed by this? Most would say he had missed the point.

I appreciate the paradigm shifting thought, but at the same time, this reality is like a game that has been setup for us... and breaking out of the game for the sake of it rather than playing within the rules may also be missing the point. At least that is what I surmise.
113  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Are we being deceived? on: March 27, 2015, 12:04:46
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The truth is obvious here... Stillwater is the devil.   evil grin

Man I hope not... I am not doing very well if so.

Next cosmos I am the devil, someone better point it out.
114  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Are we being deceived? on: March 27, 2015, 05:40:12
Yes. It is entirely possible that everything about projection is the work of devils and demons.

But then, it is also possible about literally every other thing in the world.

Sex could be the devil.

The internet could be the devil.

The Christian Church could be the devil.

Math could be the devil.

Thinking could be the devil.

It is a well known concept, and it is called "Cartesian Doubt". Basically, the idea is simple, and it just states that for any "x", "x" may be be a product of supreme deception from on high. For more information about this concept, read the 1630's treatise by Descartes:

http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/phl302/texts/descartes/meditations/Meditation1.html

The thing is though, if everything could be the devil, doesn't that just put us in the same place with respect to everything? Meaning we just have to explore things for ourselves to see what is what. And what if this metaphysical stuff is the devil without us realizing it? Then we are already doomed, because we have no faculties for telling the difference in that case. So either we can tell the difference ourselves, in which case you have the mental faculties for finding out, or we can't, in which case we are already making every other conceivable error anyhow.

So in this line of thought, what reasoning do you have to suggest projection is deception anymore than the internet is deception, or waking life is deception?
115  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: can you gain types of empowerment from OBE's? on: March 25, 2015, 14:40:13
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I wouldn't be surprised if a number of people get into OBEs as a means to escape their lives of sorts.

I find this to be true as well.

I want all people who come here to find assistance reaching their goals.

At the same time, a huge percentage are probably coming here because they are bored with life and want to find a way to bring more excitement to their existence.

Almost universally people seem to find that in this current existence our meaning will be found here rather than there. Gaining skill in projection is an oddly round-about way to discover that. Sort of like a singer who picks up a musical instrument, only to learn they are actually meant to be a singer above all else musically.

The Egyptians got it wrong I think. Our life here probably isn't about preparing for what comes next. We wouldn't be here unless there was a very significant reason to be precisely here.
116  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Looking for resonance between our world and many others on: March 19, 2015, 09:09:35
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I wont be able to explain this well because English is not my best language. Math is.

I always knew you were an alien.

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Theres also the problem of our world being very heavy compared to structures existing more in a metaphysical way, which causes metaphysics to have less influence on our world.

It looks very much like the hierarchy of reality places the nonphysical realm as the base reality in which this physical reality is embedded. It really looks like our reality here is entirely dependent on metaphysical realities, and thus probably incapable of not being affected by them. In other words, not only do I expect the metaphysical has very great influence here, its influence is probably cardinal and fundamental.

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I'd like to help the smarter life forms on Earth (Humans, Dolphins, Monkeys, Parrots, Crickets, and some kinds of Machines

Crickets get billing over pigs and crows? Crows are some of the smartest animals around!

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If anyone knows, in a practical way we can use to directly create and measure and fine tune the resonance, how to get our world in sync with any metaphysical structures we might choose, then I'd like to hear your theories. But please, dont give me the same things that have not got the job done for all of recorded history, like wait on god to do it or have faith or be a good person. We shouldnt wait on god to do it because we are all gods and its for us to do it. But how does it work?

So you want to get in better tune with the greater realities, but you want some answer that doesn't include being a better person? To me that sounds a bit like asking an Olympic athlete how to become a record-setting sprinter, but giving the stipulation that the answer must not include exercise.

My take on it, is that the entire structure of society and our political systems must change.

Right now, every political system we have is based on the idea of the nation-state as a geographic monopoly of force. In other words, the government has the final say over where force is used in their jurisdiction, for what ends, and by whom. Every law that a country writes is based on this concept- they are enforced by that country's ability to inflict force upon those that resist them. If you disagree with this concept, think about what eventually happens when you openly break enough laws, or try to do something a government would rather you didn't do, from within their jurisdiction.

Thus the concept of a law is the promise of force for those who resist them.

And how truly dangerous that those who are writing these laws (promises of coercion by force of violence), have not the best for humanity and the earth as their goal, but their own regional profit?

If you want society to improve, this founding principle must be altered. People's behavior must be guided by something other than the threat of force as coercion. Confucious Believed that if you needed laws to keep a people in line, you already lost the battle of their minds, because an ethical people would not need threats to keep them on the right side of virtue, and threats alone will not stop those who have already stepped over to the other side of the line. I tend to agree with him on this particular matter.

Ultimately, we need a social shift from a legalistic system, to one based on ethics and logic. If everyone took as their guide what was best for all parties, and what was most reasonable, something as petty as laws would seem quite quaint.

How such as shift occurs is another matter though, I am afraid. I have  considered the question a long time, and have not arrived at the answer yet.
117  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Learning luangages on: March 18, 2015, 22:35:34
Also, we don't allow you into the hidden sub-forums until you change your middle name to something like Moonchild, or Willowseed, or Windstorm-Starmaker, or Baby-Kangaroo-Tribianni, and fax us a copy of the legal papers. We do have standards.
118  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Learning luangages on: March 18, 2015, 04:49:35
I haven't heard of anything like that ever happening, although I do recall stories of those born with knowledge of languages quite foreign to their birthplace (an English boy of 4 recalls 5th century Chinese, or Roman Latin, etc).

Perhaps you can try some of those "subliminal" tapes for unconscious learning while you are asleep... might be something to look into, and far easier to get a straight answer on in terms of its effectiveness!
119  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: its like manna from heaven on: March 17, 2015, 08:36:26
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1.- The composition of two lesser cycles. These last twelve cycles each.

Lol, I think I need to further clarify then.

I asked what a "great cycle" might be- you defined it to be... 2 lesser cycles, or 24 cycles total. That would be well and good, if we knew what a cycle consisted in?

This highlights the problem we are having fairly well- the language of mysticism is not standardized. And there are dozens of traditions, no less. You can't expect people to know the same terms you have learned. In order to have discussions, we need unfortunately to reduce things to least common denominator language. Can't say cycle- have to say "breath", or "day", or "heart beat"- whichever of these cycle might refer to, for example.

If this was a forum that focused on the Daoist mystical tradition, for instance, you could go saying things like "lesser meridian", "secondary orbit", etc, and people would know what you meant, because they were immersed in it. The only common language we have here mostly deals with projection experiences, and we are somehow up to our eyeballs even standardizing that language, lol...

Hope that clears up the confusion! wink
120  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again? on: March 17, 2015, 04:14:40
Yep, makes sense enough to me too. For instance, to use the computer game metaphor, when you are through being Mario in the game (this existence), you don't really retain Mario's perspective, preferences, or personality type afterward. You don't turn off the game, and then want to go eat a giant plate of spaghetti or something.

That is how I picture it too at least.
121  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again? on: March 16, 2015, 22:53:44
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Like I don't want to come back for some lame reason, in a messed up life.

Just speculating out loud here again, but then maybe what you view as another person's messed up life from your current perspective is a literal diamond mine of rich experiences from the perspective of a being planning these existences.
122  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Want to see astral beings? here you are! on: March 16, 2015, 19:33:38
Do you believe that another person would ever encounter these same beings? Why or why not?

Another form of that question, is what do you feel was responsible for these two specific beings' forms?
123  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again? on: March 16, 2015, 19:29:08
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Depending on what I achieve, a soft maybe. I want to change this world and help it, but If I do that now, then probably not. Unless I can be born as a 'God' to an extent to help this world.

I know what you mean. That is certainly a noble goal. But I have also often considered that maybe the world is the way it is for a very specific and purposeful reason, and if it were changed substantially, it would no longer fulfill that reason. That is sort of a fatalist outlook, but perhaps things have been so arranged so as to give those experiencing this world a very particular program.

But then again, maybe not!
124  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Do you want or plan on reincarnating here to the physical again? on: March 16, 2015, 08:28:26
Eternity is a long time. Everything that can happen probably will.

I don't plan to return per se... but then I don't plan not to either  wink

There is sort of this line of reasoning in Mahayana Buddhism that merely not wanting to reincarnate is not a sufficient reason to prevent future reincarnations; in fact the strong desire not to reincarnate, rather than an indifference to the concept, may be indicative of the person retaining enough emotional baggage and attachments that they have not exhausted their full cycle. I don't necessarily subscribe to that view point, but I think it is an interesting thing for people to consider.

Spiritual one-ups-manship?

( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kDso5ElFRgtongue
125  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: its like manna from heaven on: March 15, 2015, 09:10:18
Hahaha. Ditto  rolleyes

Maybe start with what a Grand Cycle is? I think you may be losing a lot of us with language that is not widely known.

And keep in mind, I am fairly initiate into studies of mystical yoga practices in several traditions, and you are throwing a few concepts at me I am not read up on.

I think the phrasing may just need a little adjustment. You might run into that special person who speaks this same language though, who knows!
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