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101  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: What happens to the body if spirit leaves and doesnt come back? on: May 04, 2014, 19:07:53
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I think the healthier and more vital a body is, the stronger is the 'magnetic pull' (speaking metaphorically) to get you back to body.

Hence, people who are more ill, probably even fatal illness, might have a less stronger pull and there is more possibility that they one time stay out for good (die). Probably this also applies to old age.

I think this is heavily dependent on the paradigm you ascribe to though. For instance, I tend to think that we never actually leave our bodies and go to some external place, but rather we go to a different corner of our brain which is able to pull in data from metaphysical realities we don't normally experience. You could see how a person taking such a view would not gravitate toward the concept of being trapped outside, since you would never have left.
102  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Can god create a rock so heavy even he cant lift it? on: May 04, 2014, 19:00:42
The original medieval paradox that Beavis was basing his arguments on was essentially an argument against the existence of omnipotence, which is claimed to be a dilemma with two unaccomadating choices.

Think of it this way: if God was capable of making a stone he couldn't lift, then he wouldn't be omnipotent because he couldn't lift that particular stone. If good wasn't capable of making that stone, he wouldn't be omnipotent because he couldn't make the stone. The same argument applies to anything claimed to possess omnipotence.

Where you take this problem is up to you.

103  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Anyone here watching the Cosmos? on: May 04, 2014, 09:33:49
I can't reasonably say... I got the impression I was in interstellar deep space at the beginning of the experience, but I very well could have been seeing some other form of plane not related to physical space. It was like it was empty, but there was a contentment in the emptiness.

I have heard people who support pan-psychism (all matter is conscious) suggest that base matter possesses "proto-conscious properties" that assemble as the matter becomes more organized. A very basic level would be something like the proto-conscious property of an electron, which might be a simple feeling of contentment and well-being. That assignment might be arbitrary, but recalling that old experience brings to mind the idea that perhaps in a similar fashion, the base void revels in its own formlessness.
104  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: What happens to the body if spirit leaves and doesnt come back? on: May 04, 2014, 08:21:46
Probably something like the last one. I and others have had experiences that seemed to last for actual weeks, but happened all in one night.
105  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Anyone here watching the Cosmos? on: May 04, 2014, 05:18:40
Let's see... one that I recall fairly well from about a decade back:

I was drifting along, after gaining lucidity, in a sort of calm void. It was empty, but there was this sort of abiding joy about it, like existence there was a sort of continual, gentle celebration. As I stared into the distance, the space beyond into the depth gained more features, and I saw a sort of mirroring, like one substrate reflected into another. The closest thing I could think of to compare it to would be those dazzling images of the salt flats in Bolivia, where the wet ground reflects the sky near perfectly, and there is a corridor formed between the two planes of clouds:



The space was full of these pastel-colored clouds drifting by at various speeds, with thick and viscous feel about their movement. The color of the void grew from black emptiness to lush warm tones. I watched them glide on for a very long time, as I waded on a cosmic current. I didn't encounter any celestial bodies, and I may or may not have been seeing a representation of physical space, but that void was paradoxically one of the most full and complete places I have ever been, if that makes sense. I don't think there was any sort of aural component, but the mood of the place was something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdOt4ieyPhE

Stare at the image and listen to the track, and then multiply that experience in intensity a few times by having it be the fullness of your awareness, and that was what it felt like.

Not a perfect fit for what you are asking about, because I wasn't exploring Venus or anything like that, but close in some ways I suppose.  wink

106  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Anyone here watching the Cosmos? on: May 04, 2014, 04:26:53
I loved the old Sagan Cosmos, and Sagan in general, and I am also a Neil fan, so the new one was natural for me, hehe.

I don't have a TV, but it is easy enough to find in various places on the net. I have always appreciated connecting science and humanism in this manner.

The experiences you have in celestial settings are what you make them. I think a lot of it has to do with your state of mind when you are there, and what level you are connecting on. I have had experiences of empty space that were both rather dull, and electrifying.

107  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Can god create a rock so heavy even he cant lift it? on: May 02, 2014, 19:22:15
That is the real question we all ignored.
108  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Can god create a rock so heavy even he cant lift it? on: May 02, 2014, 18:07:28
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I think this entire paradigm is wrong, because Taoist philosophy has shown me a more encompassing way of looking at things.  Hot and cold oppose each other, but that doesn't mean they don't both exist, they just don't exist at the same place at the same time.  Rather they both need each other to even form a conception of "this or that," otherwise if everything were of equal temperature then we wouldn't need words for different extremes of temperatures.

I think it is important to point out that hot and cold are not contradictions though, or even opposites. They are just heat and less heat. Contradictions usually exist in logic space. A good contradiction would be:

"3 =\= 3"

How could that possibly ever be? How could something not be the same and identical with itself? It is a fundamental law of this universe. I cannot conceive it being true in this universe. It is possible in other universes perhaps, but those universes would be ruled by randomness. Why is that? Well, after you accept a single logical contradiction like that, all things simultaneously become true. Why would that be? Here is an example:

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-Lets assume the contradiction that "Apples exist", and also, "Apples do not exist".  (A ^ ~A)

-Here are some true statements about our world now:

"Apples exist or All horses are unicorns" ( A v AHAU) [for an or statement, only one of them needs to be true for it to be a true statement, but we know apples exist, so it is safe]

but then... we run into danger here, because also, apples don't exist. When one of the sides of an or statement is false, it forces the other to be true, if it is a true statement. Because we know from before it was a true statement, that means now "All horses are Unicorns" must be a true statement. [ (~A ^ ( A v AHAU))  --> AHAU ]

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This is a well known logical form. It is the path to proving all things are true once a single contradiction has been accepted. It seems like a kind of logic game, with no application to the universe, but then there isn't a single known contradiction in our universe, so that might tell you something.



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The problem is that contradictions themselves are only limitations within a small range of things, specific points in space-time.  They do not limit the possibilities of larger spectrums of existence, where multiple realities and infinite experiences are possible.

There is no contradiction in saying that the contradictory terms are true but at different times and places, the contradiction arises when they are simultaenous.

I do not think the rock example where God changes worlds to lift the rock beats the original problem though. You see that if God had to create another space-time in order to lift the rock, which he could not do in the original space-time, that means he was not omnipotent, because he lacked the ability to lift the rock in the first space time. That he could lift it in another space-time doesn't absolve him of that, if he was truly omnipotent. Omnipotent doesn't mean he could do all things at some point in time or place, but it means he could do all things in all times and places without limits. If you told me omnipotence meant God could do all things, except move that certain rock over there until he was good and ready to do it by changing it to being in a different universe, I would have to eye that omnipotence with suspicion.


109  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: What just happened ? on: May 01, 2014, 22:59:36
Maybe you got light-headed.
110  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Mental...'attack' on: May 01, 2014, 22:58:27
Why would you wonder about this?
111  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Are there supplements worth doing? on: May 01, 2014, 00:51:38
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No Shamans allowed on the forum. 

You could say the law has written them out of North America. We used to have a tremendous Shamanic tradition here... but then I think people know that story.
112  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Are there supplements worth doing? on: April 30, 2014, 22:11:08
Hi Fusions

Perhaps there are some safe ones out there that exist.

This particular forum tends to be frequented by people practicing cognitive techniques though; to be honest, I haven't seen the kind of knowledge that would be able answer that question responsibly running around here.

Place take a high degree of care though if you intend to experiment. I wish there was a person I could refer you to, but I know of none. The kinds of circles that are versed in herbology paths tend more toward South America.
113  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Can god create a rock so heavy even he cant lift it? on: April 30, 2014, 19:32:56
Aquinas suggested to that problem that God could do anything that didn't imply a contradiction. Making such a rock would be a contradiction argued Aquinas, therefore impossible for God. Aquinas goes on further to explain this doesn't threaten the idea of God's omnipotence because he defines omnipotence as the ability to do all things that are possible.

I am not an Aquinas fan, but if you believe in the deity he did, it seems like a good enough answer to me.
114  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Barbara Lamb and Et's - her presentation will explain a lot of the beings u see on: April 28, 2014, 16:12:18
I have heard regressionists paint both a rosy and a shadowy picture of ET contacts. Some seem to specialize in one or the other, or sometimes have both experiences. To me, there is so hopelessly large a pool of data that it is near impossible to arrive at any final truth from sources like these or channels.

It sort of comes down to accepting the authority of one personage or another when you follow one of these individuals. I enjoy listening to them, to hear the pictures they all paint, but at the end of the day, I can't really take it anywhere.  undecided

But thanks for sharing nonetheless!
115  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Tom Campbell, Free Will & The Afterlife on: April 28, 2014, 16:00:57
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Essentially, a computer/computer program.
The choices made by a computer/program are one of pre-programmed outcomes.  If this... then that happens... that sort of thing.

Yes, but the common idea of a computer doesn't include sense experiences; I think people largely think of computers as a set of mechanical actions occurring by determinate laws. It is funny that you bring that example up, because a lot of the contemporary philosophers of mind-body issues are debating what the criteria for determining a conscious computer would be, and how we could be sure they were having sense experiences, or "qualia" as some other earlier philosophers would call them.

I guess what I am getting at though is that I am trying to form a theory for what defines a consciousness, and what parts are absolutely necessary and core to the definition. For instance, I would surmise that in order to be a consciousness, that something would have to something they were conscious of. It seems to me that that awareness could be either subject oriented or object oriented. A subject oriented awareness would be an awareness that has its own thoughts- its existence is thus self-defined in a narrow sense. An object oriented awareness is aware of things outside itself, namely sense experiences of some kind. To me, these are the only basic criteria for being a simple consciousness, and to have one is sufficient, although a somewhat complex being as ourselves has both and many other attributes.

I think this consciousness you were describing earlier, sounds very much like the classical definition of an "ethical agent". Namely, an ethical agent needs both awareness, and the real ability to make a choice between meaningful alternatives in order to be responsible for making actual ethical decisions (this is opposed by a determinate agent, which although may appear to make choices, is not, and is thus not responsible or culpable for good or bad effects its actions cause).

I am probably quibbling a bit, but the distinctions seem very significant, especially considering that we are all directly engaged in consciousness studies here.
116  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Tom Campbell, Free Will & The Afterlife on: April 27, 2014, 23:47:42
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To be an aware unit of consciousness, free will is required.

I disagree with this bit. Why would this necessarily be the case?

Usually in philosophy, if you want to engage with a thesis like that, you would employ "thought experiments" in support, and in argument against.

Therefore, lets think of exceptions. What would an aware unit of consciousness be that lacked free will? I think I would define that entity as a "perspective". A perspective would be viewing events from a vantage point, but have no control over outcomes, like a sort of viewer, or non-participant. The perspective might be able to reason with itself, form theories or expectations, and in fact would have all of characteristics of what I would expect a "consciousness" to have. Or maybe it might lack some of those features. "Perspective-minus" would have sensory experiences, but not conduct any personal thought or analysis about them. It would be a pure "experiencer". 

Now I can think of answers to this argument I have raised, but I am curious to see what your response might be, so I won't spoil it  wink

117  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Tom Campbell, Free Will & The Afterlife on: April 27, 2014, 19:28:28
I can think of reasons why Tom might believe that. I personally think that our time in physical lives is incredibly important, and that we would regret squandering it, especially for the opportunities it gives us to know others in a very special way.

I can't think of a time he said it, but I can picture it. Could you find a good example in one of his talks? That might provide more context to discuss the idea.
118  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: What exactly are Scamps? on: April 26, 2014, 01:05:37
Maybe a little of both. It really is hard to tell your own creations from things you didn't author, at least for me. "Scamp" was just his term though... it is a general word for a playful childlike thing.
119  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Do you think this forum is carefully watched by intelligence agencies? on: April 25, 2014, 14:17:04
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We are watched? I not trying to come across as rude or too blunt or whatever but come on just get real! do you really think they care?

It is important to consider that we are dealing not with the wills and interests of individuals, but with a largely automated system. It will monitor whatever its parameters tell it to.

A lot of this has to do with the increasing power and storage capacity of computers today. It isn't so much that they have an interest in particular sites or individuals for the most part (although in a few cases they do, but not here in particular I would guess), it is that the monitoring and storage is costing them less and less, so there is the tendency to monitor and store everything they possibly can, on the offchance that some of it may be useful later. Combine dramatically more powerful computing with some of the largest, near bottomless policing and defense budgets in the history of the world, and this surveillance program is a near certainty in dozens of countries- in fact in the major players, they rightly reason that not doing it puts them at a tactical disadvantage to those that are doing it, at a certain point in the game. Maybe not now, when they are spending billions to learn things like Mrs. Johnson always buys eggs on Tuesday, but when costs go down a few more orders of magnitude again, to where a group can spend hundreds of thousands to build detailed dossiers on every one of their clients' lifetime purchasing histories, and combine these with their media interests, I think you will start seeing not only governmental but increasingly commercial interests performing data mining like this.
120  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Do you think this forum is carefully watched by intelligence agencies? on: April 24, 2014, 19:52:32
The web in general is watched. How watched do I think this site is? Probably only slightly above normal.

The reason is that any group with a metaphysical or religious orientation (as this group would be labeled by a person with the need to have as few labels as possible in their system) is deemed to be a center of extremism. But then there are A LOT of those groups around. This site is watched mainly by computer algorithms, and very rarely by human inspection, I would surmise.
121  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Is it a good idea? on: April 23, 2014, 05:08:34
Intention is a powerful thing. If there was a danger before, my feeling is that your intention to visit these places for the good of others will have a lot to do with the outcomes you experience.
122  World Cultures, Traditions and Religions / Welcome to World Cultures, Traditions and Religions! / Re: Mythology Class? Should I Take It? on: April 09, 2014, 07:36:04
Hi Mobian!

As a person who attended a well-regarded university, let me be the first to say that higher education institutions don't hold the monopoly on knowledge. Picking up a book and reading it through will often get you just as far or further, and will set back your wallet three zeros less money. Mythology is one of those classes like that. Pick up Edith Hamilton or Bullfinch's mythologies and have at it! Want to get the perspective you would get in that class? Pick up Joseph Campbell's "Hero with 1000 Faces" series or any number of other psyscho-anthropology oriented authors, and you will literally be reading the ideas that are flowing through the instructor's heads. Nothing of note is usually covered in an undergraduate class that you can't get by simply reading the textbooks, for the most part. Where college is really worth the money is in the area of hands-on experience, certifications, and interacting with your field's authorities.

Now I have taken my share of liberal-arts classes because they were closely connected to my life interests. I took a Chinese philosophy class, for example, and a Russian literature class. In those examples, the instructor was clearly in a position to have more historical context for interpreting the works than I was, and to offer insights as a result that would not have occurred to me. In a situation like that... it is a maybe.

But if in your case a class like that is going to lead to confrontations, I say read the book!
123  Integral Philosophy / Welcome to Integral Philosophy! / Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life - on: March 30, 2014, 15:26:01
Krishna was a bit more charitable than you have let on Jordo, he is purported to have said many things such as:

"No one who does good work will ever come to a bad end, either here or in the world to come" (Straight out of the translated Bhagavad Gita)

And Krishna also proclaimed (in a similar way to Siddhartha):

Those who have conquered themselves...live in peace, alike in cold and heat, pleasure and pain, praise and blame...To such people a clod of dirt, a stone, and gold are the same...Because they are impartial, they rise to great heights.

That bit about onions and garlic really amounts to recommendations about how not to eat food that unsettles people; those types of foods were said to be "rajasic", which sort of translates to "kingly pleasures"; the belief was that they are things that people with uncontrolled passions sought after needlessly, lol. If you understand the context of the onion thing, it is actually a statement about not letting your passions control you, rather than actually being about food (despite seeming to be explicitly about food, haha).

At the end of the day, yes Krishna is a figure from the religions of man, and an idea that was conceived of by sadhus, and then taken to mean all manners of things by adherents, as religions tend to do.

I think a lot can be learned from what is written about him (he is far and away my favorite conception of a deity), but then also a lot of nonsense too. You have to be discerning, and so unfortunately the only true path is reason and ethics in my eyes (which the Krishna of the Bhagavad Gita would not condemn, if you actually read it).
124  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: The cholesterol myth on: March 22, 2014, 05:24:38
Oh Snap it's Stookie  cheesy cheesy cheesy
125  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Courtney Brown's Announcement for 15th March on: March 17, 2014, 20:14:30
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It will be a loooooong time before we find out what is really under the sphinx. The Egyptians are a proud people and are perfectly happy with the idea that they themselves built everything. Any study that wants to prove anything other than the Egyptians built the pyramids and sphinx will be outright denied and the team will not have access.

They can't really claim ethnic heritage though, because the people who now inhabit Egypt are absolutely not the same bloodline that was there 3-5 thousand years ago. They are no more Ancient Egyptian than I am Native American for living in the US. They can claim geographic occupation, nothing more.
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