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101  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Re: Pluto Mystery on: July 24, 2015, 11:20:45


Absolutely brilliant images, no? I want to see images of at least one planet outside of our solar system to that resolution this century. It is doable.

There were some great anomalies sighted on that flyby. Richard Hoagland reads a lot of bizzare conspiracies into the whole thing, but while I love his attitudes, he does take things too far for me most times.


One interesting feature was all of the hexagon-shaped structures. Hexagons do appear in nature, even very large ones, and sometimes certain kinds of impacts do form hexagonal craters. One very noteable hexagon in our solar system that is incredibly large, and somehow almost unknown, is the north pole of Saturn. Almost boggles the mind that a structure that large could be anything but circular... but there it is somehow!

102  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: What is the heart of your ethics? on: July 24, 2015, 03:35:48
I think you don't need a lot of different rules if you have central concepts which inform the others. The core of the Buddhist and Upanishadic systems has always made sense to me, and is incredibly simple- don't cause harm if you can avoid it. It is also a good rule of thumb to treat others the best way you can allow in any given situation.

Pretty basic, and nothing groundbreaking, but then I don't think you will see much innovation in this topic, and I think that is a good thing- if it was very difficult to see what was ethical, we would be in a much worse situation than we are now.

Another good standard is Immanuel Kant's Universal ethical principle: for any given action, would it be better for everyone to take this action, or for no one to take this action? If no one should take this action, then the action is best avoided in the majority of cases. If everyone should take the action, then it is probably a case where someone is ethically negligent not to do it.

Then a level more complex than that, is the modern system of "normative ethics". That system posits, like Kant, that there are some ethical constraints that should generally not be broken unless it can't be avoided without doing greater harm, and there may even be constraints which should never be broken at all. An example of one of the first kind, a conditional constraint, might be something like stealing. Probably wrong to do in most cases, but acceptable if greater harm is avoided as a result. Examples of absolute constraints are much harder to come by, because a person can think of creatively absurd situations under which any rule ought to be broken, but a candidate might be something like a person ought not to murder their children.

Normative ethics is about weighing these constraints against one another, to see which should trump the others in various situations, and is sort of a tricky game. An example of a mental game that illustrates this type of thinking is the "trolley problem", which is a set of situations that pits the constraints in a contest, such as, "If a trolley carrying 12 orphans was about to crash into a stalled bus full of 8 Nuns on the tracks, but you could hit a switch, and the trolley full of orphans were to instead hit a car full of 6 neurosurgeons, what action would you take, and why?

Sounds silly, but it is the sort of thing you need to do to write the principles that guides mechanical systems such as medical ethics boards, because those systems need hard and complex rules, and they are difficult to devise, because they are in some sense arbitrary.
103  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Astral Projection: The dangers. on: July 15, 2015, 09:42:55
There are dangers, but not the ones you might be thinking of. They are mainly psychological. For those who are not in a mentally healthy frame of mind, these practices don't seem to do them any favors; such folks will often seek out these practices, thinking of them as treatments for whatever situations they have in their life. This is probably a very bad direction for them.

So if you want to know if the practice is potentially harmful for you, I suppose you must ask yourself if you are coming to it in a healthy frame of mind, for the "right" reasons.

The gentleman in the video is working for what he perceives to be the benefit of all, and I applaud him for that intent. That said, I think he is working under the burden of several forms of doctrine and dogma. Negative entities may possibly exist, however every indication I have seen is that every instance anyone ever reports is actually connected to their own psyche. Now if you are in a slightly troubled state of mind to begin with, having the experience of one of these encounters is not going to be beneficial to you. If you are well off, you will likely have the perspective to say that these beings are representative of various fears you may be illustrating to yourself.

You need to set aside fears of such encounters, because they will hold you back.
104  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Question on: July 12, 2015, 02:14:46
For any supplier to put ethics above profit, it is a positive thing.

Maybe what I was saying with my response is that I think that while it is worthwhile to focus on the choices of consumers, it is likely not the best immediate solution for the larger problem.

For instance, apply it to the situation of the drought in california; extreme restrictions are being placed on residential water usage. Is this helpful? To an extent, yes. But then... residential use accounts for less than 15% of total use. People there feel as though a huge amount of attention is being paid to the problem as a result of residential restrictions, but the lion's share is used by the commercial farms. The real way to conserve water is not to focus on the homeowners, but rather to meticulously study what is happening all along the farming processes, and what systems and crops account for significantly higher usages.

Now why do I bring up something as left-field as Kant's Universal ethical principle? Because a similar issue exists in product consumption. Because most consumers in the world do not have choice over which products to buy for economic reasons, the majority of the chance to make a difference in consumption resides with suppliers currently. Thus your product can only be beneficial if the majority of consumers in the market you are serving have the realistic choice to opt for it, even over cheaper alternatives.

105  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Question on: July 11, 2015, 06:20:17
As mentioned by others, for 4/5 humans on this planet, the only decision to be made is completely economic. They simply do not have the resources to care about what happens on the supply chain, since if they don't opt for the cheapest options at all times, they will bring suffering on their families.

In this situation, the consumer is not a moral agent (meaning they don't have a realistic choice between two alternatives- they could choose to starve, but I don't consider that a realistic alternative to choose for other humans).

The moral agent in this situation is the supplier. They can opt for what is ethical, or they can opt for what is cheapest. It is worth noting then that the only moral agents with any choice in a situation of scarcity are the suppliers.

Kant came up with an ethical theory based on universal applications, and it is pretty simple: For every "x", would I desire that every human does "x"?  For instance, if I want to know if theft is ethical, I have to ask myself if it is preferrable for all humans to steal, or if it is preferrable for no humans to steal.

The universal is what is relavent here. Since I cannot ask the majority of humans to starve, I must solve the ethical questions of supply some other way, and to me that means they must be solved by the supplier, rather than consumer. So the real question, is how do I compel the supplier to behave ethically, knowing that it is cheaper for them to cut corners, and I just determined it is most ethical to expect the majority of humans to opt for the cheapest products?

Either I must convert the have-nots into ethical agents by ensuring they have enough resources to be able to address questions other than need, or there must be a system in place which encourages the supplier to act ethically regardless of cost to them. The second is a much taller order, so I think it is a pretty good argument to press for universal standards of living instead/
106  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Qestion ???? on: June 19, 2015, 05:40:55
I have heard it explained by a few speakers that it is much easier to influence an unlikely event to occur (like winning the lottery) when it is something only you care about.

If it is possible to affect the outcome of a lottery by will, then wouldn't everyone's will be competing with yours?

Made sense enough to me. Not saying this is what I believe, but sounds pretty plausible.

I am sure the same applies to remote viewing the winning numbers. Such an event would grant you a serious advantage, which would conflict with the strong wills of others to have the positive outcome. Maybe it is an indirect effect like that which makes such things difficult to view in advance.
107  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Astrology in the Astral? on: May 26, 2015, 13:59:14
Having an astrological chart for a human is dependent on being born. It is a feature of the physical world. Why would a non-physical being be subject to physical parameters like that?

Put a different way though, it sounds like what you are really asking is if souls are subject to fate (which is what astrology really represents)?
108  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Am I the One "haunting"? on: May 24, 2015, 21:18:39
Sounds like a coincidence to me, as people try to do such things and pretty much fail everytime. Gathering data though from the world does appear to be possible, but changing it has yet to be verified well.

Doesn't make it impossible though.
109  Astral Chat / Welcome to Members Introductions! / Re: Hello from California! on: May 21, 2015, 13:28:34
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I like California (but it's not cheap, especially the water now). Yeah, the weather is excellent. However, after cutting back on our water use, the front yard has already started dying, and I have collected nearly 2,000 gallons of rain water this season for our garden (e.g., so we can keep it). Currently, there are some trade offs. And there are some things that we are finally catching up with Canada on, like healthcare for everyone.


The water situation in California definitely is pretty dire. Those reservoirs are tapped out. It will be interesting to see the course things take in the next 5 years over there. I am sure you know that farming accounts for 85% of that water use, so regulations on the residents of California can barely have an effect at all. What really needs to be done, is that certain luxury crops, like pistachios and almonds need to be severely cutback. Tree-nut crops consume a much greater percentage of the water than most produce, and need to be reduced in the interest of saving the staple produce farmers.

I am also aware that the government is aware what kind of civil unrest significantly higher water rationing and expenses will have on that region.

Hopefully they can get that huge de-sal plant (and honestly, 40 like it) up and running!

And I am glad you are finding the Pulse useful so far! It can be a great resource, if you leverage it well!


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I'll steal 8mins from your time to say hi to everyone too, I had not read about that. LOL
Good to be here.

Greetings from Venezuela.

Venezuela is an interesting place too... I knew a Venezuelan dude who was deaf... strangest / most awesome accent ever. I hope Maduro is working out better for you all than Chavez (I know, not very hard, but I am still a bit worried). I have heard too many bad Chavez stories. Here's to hoping that all stays in the past!
110  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: How did you get here? on: May 20, 2015, 08:46:56
Pretty much a perfect concert. I like the attached interview a lot, where David Byrne interviews himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE-mxVxFXLg

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"I don't think you have a very good voice, but you're a singer... how do you do that?"

"The better the singer's voice, the harder it is to believe what they are saying"

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I find this to be true of life in general for me. The prettier the package, the more profoundly I doubt what is inside it.
111  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: How did you get here? on: May 19, 2015, 11:05:31
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1wg1DNHbNU
112  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: ascension: leaving early on: May 18, 2015, 14:32:30
No, that doesn't clarify much, but I think we speak very different languages.

What I am getting at above though...is that you make some fairly uncommon assertions in your opener, and then ask others to expand on the ideas, but that requires being on the same page to begin with.

See if I can give an analogy...

Suppose I said:

"Ok, so I have figured out that the souls of animals stay in purgatory, but can't get out. I think it probably has something to do with their auras. Given that, what do all of you think about the second coming?"

See, in order for the others to have an opinion about the second coming with respect to animals stuck in purgatory... they have to be on the same page about animals in purgatory to begin with, follow? I think that is the challenge here. There are too many ideas at once, and it is too difficult to unwind them all.

Maybe ask a simpler question, and we might have a hope of addressing it  wink
113  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: ascension: leaving early on: May 18, 2015, 07:07:18
What reasons do you have for holding these opinions?

There are a lot of assertions here... it is hard to really address any of the questions without unpacking what all else of what you are describing is about.
114  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Tips to The Teachers/Helpers of Astralpulse: on: May 14, 2015, 03:24:46
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As said, I'm a student too, we all are here to learn and share. There is no guru and no dogma. If it was, this would be not the right place any longer.

That is my major credit to this site. Almost all of the forums similar to the Pulse are centered around a charismatic teaching personality as the guru. I think the lack of that condition here makes the place a fair deal more objective, and a much better place for debate.
115  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Tips to The Teachers/Helpers of Astralpulse: on: May 13, 2015, 04:54:50
I think it is a language thing again here then.

Here is an example to explain the difference in our thinking here:


Suppose a coin was flipped by an unbiased person in another room; 2 people who couldn't see the outcome each decide they feel one outcome or the other is more likely, and they choose opposite outcomes.


In your view of things, neither is right, because they had no basis for knowing which was in reality more likely.

In my view, one of them is right, but not justified in their assertion because they lack proof.

I define "right" based on truth / falsity. You are defining it by what in philosophy is usually termed "knowledge"- AKA, the person knows what is true, and has an adequate and sufficient means to know it is true. "Knowledge" is usually held to be a harder standard to meet than "truth".

I think that is where we are diverging- we didn't agree over what the definition of "right" is.
116  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: Tips to The Teachers/Helpers of Astralpulse: on: May 12, 2015, 05:40:11
I am not sure I agree no one is right... that is just a little too new-agey to me.

Apply that thinking to science... someone argues the earth revolves around the sun, someone else argues that the sun is a little ball that rotates around the earth, another person argues that the the sun and the earth are marbles being shaken up in a jar. One of those people is closer to being right than the others.

It is very easy to spot a bad argument. It might be defined by logical fallacies, or invented evidence, or false premises, or any number of things. We can with certainty say it is a bad argument when it has broken the accepted rules of reason.

For instance, say someone argues that because all squares are rectangles, all rectangles are also squares. It is very easy to see that this is an improper use of logic, because one-way relationships don't automatically become conditionals in the opposite direction.

For this reason I think it is more than reasonable to point out when a person has made an argument from insufficient proof or false logical structures. Most possible arguments are bad arguments.

It is much harder to know that an argument is true than that it is in error.

I don't know that my conclusions are true, but it is very easy to know when yours or theirs or hers are false. That is simply a consequence of the rules of logic. It is one of the greatest substantial gifts the history of philosophy has given the world.
117  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: John Titor and multiple timeline theory on: May 08, 2015, 04:14:46
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I've said recently that the simple fact that you can use math to model *ANYTHING* in this reality is proof that this reality is virtual.
If you know the math, you can model everything.

Hard to know... maybe this is true, maybe it isn't.

There might be some intangibles in our experience here that don't fit into mathematical modeling... the best candidates for these being "first person experiences", like  "I feel too hot", or "I am elated". Now of course I know there are physically modelable processes surrounding these feelings, like temperature, and dopamine levels, etc, but I think your understanding is nuanced enough in this area to know what I mean when I say those are merely the periphoral "functionalist" explanations, that don't address the experential component. The mathematical model can tell us when a human might feel uncomfortably warm, but they don't have a prayer at explaining why the experience that human mind has is like it is.

I agree with you that this reality seems like a construct built from within another reality... but our minds are also part of this reality too, and they possess all of these slippery unquantified qualities...
118  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Anyone have experience with the work of Graham Nicholls? on: May 05, 2015, 03:03:51
60 Dollars for some sound files feels a bit too much like snake oil quackery. Those margins feel just way too high for someone out to benefit humanity, especially for a digital download. Media that is that expensive commercially usually took tens of millions of dollars to produce.

It also worries me that the term "infra-liminal" only really comes up in a search paired with sites he is mentioned on.

I don't have any negative things to say about him, as I don't have any acquaintance with he or his ideas personally.

If you choose to investigate his material, it would indeed be good to post a review, as it is always helpful for others to know whom to avoid, and who may be helpful.
119  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: John Titor and multiple timeline theory on: May 03, 2015, 19:00:04
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I think Campbells presentation and the theories he likes are sound.

That is hard to know. The most literal meaning of "Sound" would mean the theories he likes are true.

"Sound"  literally means that the formal logic argument structure is accepted, and the premises are known to be true. This means the conclusions are forced to be true (the theory must be true to be sound).

But yeah, I know what you mean here. When he tries an idea on, it is generally more than half-baked, and he provides reasons.
120  Metaphysics / Welcome to Metaphysics! / Re: Channeling M.U.H.A.M.M.A.D on: April 29, 2015, 17:42:24
I remember this thread from way back when... it seems like everyone who was around in 2003 is coming back to say hi, hehe.
121  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: John Titor and multiple timeline theory on: April 28, 2015, 18:40:47
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Out of infinite possibilities why should the sum total of them all be so much more negative than positive or neutral?

On the whole, the world would be staggeringly neutral, as likely greater than 99.9999% of worlds would not be able to sustain living creatures, at least how we know them physically. The staggeringly negative aspect would be the inhabited worlds. With the Buddhist reference, it must be noted that Siddhartha felt this particular world was defined by suffering. Most of the possible worlds inhabited by life would likely be far more negative than this one, under the multiple worlds hypothesis.

Some Judeochristian theologians define their concept of hell as merely randomness. The thought there is that an environment in which healthy beings can flourish in peace is hard to construct, and that it doesn't take malice, but merely dis-interest (random chance) for beings to suffer greatly. This view is reflected in the fact that the word "chaos" most closely means "mere randomness".

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Even if you run over something and have a serious tire/wheel problem develop, maybe you'll get more insurance money to repair it than it actually costs, and come out a few hundred dollars on top.

Hehe... you may have never filed an insurance claim  wink
 

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Anyway, who picks what's positive and negative?  That's a whole subject unto itself.

Yeah, there is quite a lot of interpretation in that area. Going by the Buddhist worldview we have been running with in this discussion though, the careless taking of life is seen as strongly negative in all forms of Buddhism I am aware of. The eightfold path is strongly concerned with avoiding all forms of harm, and being mindful of mental states. We have to remember that the multiple worlds hypothesis is taking every possible outcome, regardless of how likely a person is to take them in a normal setting. Consider again, what would happen if you took a random action every time you were given a choice, over a 2 minute period of driving the car... most of the possible outcomes would end up with multiple people dead, or at the very least, a crashed or inoperative vehicle. I understand that both positive and negative things can happen while you are driving, but the human world (cars included) functions by the assumption that people will choose very specific alternatives when given  the choice, and that humans are thus very predictable. Despite the fact that nearly 100% of the possible outcomes in driving a car are catastrophic, humans can be counted on to know how to continually choose the right ones most of the time.

Put a different way, say for instance you came to two open doors, and one of them led to a hallway, and the other a bottomless pit. Humans can be counted on to choose the hallway greater than 99% of the time. But given the multiple worlds theory, the outcomes would be chosen at equal rates, because probabilities like that are ignored, and every outcome is explored.

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There is a Taoist story of an old farmer who had worked his crops for many years. One day his horse ran away. Upon hearing the news, his neighbors came to visit. "Such bad luck," they said sympathetically. "May be," the farmer replied.

The next morning the horse returned, bringing with it three other wild horses. "How wonderful," the neighbors exclaimed. "May be," replied the old man.

The following day, his son tried to ride one of the untamed horses, was thrown, and broke his leg. The neighbors again came to offer their sympathy on his misfortune. "May be," answered the farmer.

The day after, military officials came to the village to draft young men into the army. Seeing that the son's leg was broken, they passed him by. The neighbors congratulated the farmer on how well things had turned out. "May be," said the farmer.

Yeah, that is from the Zhuangzi... I think my favorite Zhungzi passages are the ones about the twisted tree down by the "nothing at all" village, and the gourd raft. What a "mind full of underbrush" we all have, hehe.
122  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: John Titor and multiple timeline theory on: April 25, 2015, 16:12:50
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My question would be, who would it be terrifying for?  The idea could be terrifying for you but those realities themselves could only be terrifying to you if you experienced them, and as humans I don't know if we can experience them all at once.  Just one at a time it seems.  And some people do experience terrifying realities, and some don't.  The totality of existence, whether it's called God or the source or whatever, probably experiences consciousness in a radically different way than human beings do.  And why not?  We're just a small piece of the puzzle.

It is terrifying to me because the suffering of other beings matters to me immensely. And to me the many-worlds hypothesis doesn't seem to suggest a zero-sum world, so much as a staggeringly negative one.  

Consider when you are driving a car, for instance, down a city street. Most of the possible actions you have available to you to take will produce a very negative outcome. You could swerve off right, could swerve off left, could ride your car on the sidewalk, etc. Only a very narrow set of choices will see you producing what really amounts to a modestly neutral goal- getting your vehicle from A to B without catastrophe. There are far more ways you could have caused disasters on that trip. When you drive a car, I don't think the sum of possibilities is zero, but starkly negative. There isn't really a set of fantastic positive wonder events that may also happen that outweigh the 95% plus of possible outcomes that are terrible.

The car example also isn't unique. What saves our world from being so terrible is that negative choices are given weight in our minds, such that we are much less likely to choose them. But if every possibility plays out somewhere, the probability safety is no longer there.

In our lives we are threading a needle. We are hand-selecting what we perceive to be the best possible outcomes for ourselves, and hopefully others. I don't think humans know completely what is best, but I think we likely choose well more than poorly, at least on the individual level.
123  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: John Titor and multiple timeline theory on: April 24, 2015, 16:32:34
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The worlds would grow exponentially too. For every decision made there would be a change. It would be a very dynamic system. I think it fits Campbells MBT. Everything is consciousness and that consciousness seeks to grow and expand it's experience then the multiple worlds and timelines would do that. It would decrease entropy in fact it would be the very dynamic opposite of entropy.

This is something that has given me pause before. If the universal mind was seeking to cover all possibilities, this would indeed be a method for doing that. But consider the negative implications again- most of those worlds would be terrible!

George Noory phrased this concern well to me on Coast-to-Coast, a few years back. He reminds that in a good number of them, you might personally be a serial murderer, and in a handful, worse still. And these possibilities would be forced to exist.
124  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Consciousness! / Re: John Titor and multiple timeline theory on: April 24, 2015, 10:35:48
Indeed.... there would be a trillion to the trillionth power... brought to the trillionth power again universes.

That isn't necessarily wrong...but it is terrifying even to think the world could be that vast. It is also terrifying, because most of those universes would either be empty, or hells, because for every possible "positive outcome", there are probably dozens of negative possibilities.

What is intuitive doesn't determine what is real. The last 2000 years of science proves that... but the many worlds theory is an uncomfortable one. 
125  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: Demystifying the out of body experience book question? on: April 09, 2015, 09:09:47
There is a lot to be learned from the old texts on consciousness study, but you sort of need to read a lot of it through the lens of the authors doing the best they could with 2000-year-old understandings of the world at large. The trouble is that people read these things like they would read a cookbook. You can't follow the instructions word for word, and you can't really look to them to explain the world to you. But often they give you an idea of where to look, and what avenues you are probably ignoring.

For instance, do I think, as the Upanishads tell me, that placing my hands into certain mudras while I meditate is going to open special pathways to energy development? Not for a moment... that is the literal reading.

But... what if focusing my attention on my hands causes me pulse to sensation along my periphoral nervous system? What if these pulses cause a further relaxation that eases me into a theta-cycle trance more easily?

I think this is how you have to approach these things. Not as a blind devotee, but as an experimenter, and a questioner. The old techniques and knowledge takes you places. But it is up to you to figure out why!
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