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1076  Integral Philosophy / Welcome to Integral Philosophy! / Re: Pay To Not Save A Life - I Am Planning A Legal Murder on: July 18, 2011, 15:16:53
Giving charitable donations to humanitarian causes is important, worthy, and meaningful.

That said, most of the regions of the world where people are in constant risk of starvation are like that for social reasons, rather than any lack of wealth. Places where you see children starving in commercials are generally being run by paramilitary groups which are creating artificial scarcity and selectively oppressing segments of their population, or where powerful indsustries have seized control of all the raw materials and amenities in order to use the natives as slave labor for exporting their own resources.

Giving money to causes like Oxfam does save lives, but it is also important to notice that it also tends to build a culture of dependancy- in the best cases, the people being served have no other means to support themselves, and become reliant on charity as a stable way of living; in the worst cases, the supplies see their way back to the same paramilitary groups who were the source of the suffering to begin with, and end up feeding armies. In order to truly save lives on a grand scale in these situations, what must be done is literal social revolution: regimes must topple, armies must be routed, predatory industries must be exposed, and people's belief about the structure of their societies must change.

So saving lives is in a narrower sense about money, yes, but to free people from the conditions that brough them to the brink to begin with, we need to recognize that it is social institutions that are the real source of the suffering, and set our sights accordingly.
1077  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Possible variation of Bitcoin to unify stock market & collective consciousness on: July 18, 2011, 14:21:09
Quote from: Stillwater on Yesterday at 05:56:32
Free market capitalism and factional reserve banking have indeed produced vast sums of wealth through competition and expansion of availible capital. I do think it is more than fair though to point out that several evils have also arisen in parallel; it is quite utopian to think that an unregulated free-market is either the absolute best system that could exist, or that we have access to developing.

Indeed? Indeed what? No one has made this claim. Again I want to point out this trick of replying to something that was not said in order to pretend that a refutation of a threatening truth has been made.
[note: I am simply pointing out a mostly Leftist self-deceptive weakness here and I am not trying to make an outright accusation of overt dishonesty.]

No one made any claim to, "the absolute best system that could exist, or that we have access to developing"

The statement connected to yours, to which the "indeed" was attached, was idea of wealth creation, which you brought up earlier:

Free market Capitalism and the Central Banking system did more to increase the wealth of the common man than any other system in the history of mankind.

The latter part of the statement was not directed at any previous argument, but rather was an introduction to the rest of the post- it was not intended as a refutation.

My statements are not meant to support a "leftist" agenda, however. I don't support either side of our false political dichotomy, if you connect that to the parties. I am ashamed of pretty much every president since Eisenhower and Kennedy.

My claim was that Free Market capitalism along with "Central Banking" (not 'factional reserve banking'... why did you alter the claim in that manner?)

They are of course not identical, but I chose to look at central banking through the lens of fractional reserve as this is the main mechanism that has allowed the banking system to make so much capital availible from so little.

The evils that have arisen at the same time are not a reflection of any characteristic inherent in that economic system but an expression of the creative capacity of the Souls that now are empowered, through monetary wealth, to generate positive or negative outcomes consistent with their level of Conscious Awareness and Spiritual Development.

The problem is NOT capitalism.

The problem is people.

(Lazy, dishonest, thieving people to be more exact.)

Human nature is, as you say, a massive part of the issue, but with this understanding (that the systems in question will be run by humans), we have to see our economic systems in the real-world contexts that they must function in. Capitalism itself may not be inherently flawed, but a capitalist system run by present-day humans will almost of necessity develop these same problems described. We don't need to drop capitalism per se, but rather guide the system with preventitive and protective measures which compensate for what is lacking in human nature. We don't need the govnernment running the show- we all know how inefficient that is-but there do need to be checks in place that prevent corporate interests from serving their own needs at the expense of society.

But let us be clear about this and understand - the USA is not run by a democratic system. It is a Representative Republic. Though, those Representatives *are* democratically elected. It might seem like a nit-pik but the distinction becomes critical down the road a bit. (As the Citizens of Athens discovered, "any democracy is doomed as soon as the electorate discovers that they can vote themselves benefits from the public coffers"... true and pure Democracies are a very bad idea -- the Founding Fathers rejected "Democracy" in order to avoid the "Tyranny of the masses").

Yes, quite correct. That is why I say "democracy" (as in, democracy in name only).

All Corporations must dissolve and liquidate all assets and distribute those assets to the shareholders at the age of 75 years ... or some other number roughly equivalent to the average lifespan of a normal human being.

This is an interesting concept. It looks like you are connecting the idea of a corporation as personification of a company as it is understood today to the other typical features a person has. I can't accept or dismiss the idea... I would have to think about it, as this is the first I have encountered it, but it is novel. It seems like it might have some drawbacks though, since if the majority shareholders are simply the board of directors, they retain the the lion's share of the wealth of the company at the dissolution point, and can recreate a nearly identical company from that liquidated capital. But I am sure the idea also has some merits.

1078  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Possible variation of Bitcoin to unify stock market & collective consciousness on: July 17, 2011, 03:56:32

Free market capitalism and factional reserve banking have indeed produced vast sums of wealth through competition and expansion of availible capital. I do think it is more than fair though to point out that several evils have also arisen in parallel; it is quite utopian to think that an unregulated free-market is either the absolute best system that could exist, or that we have access to developing.

It is fair to speak of the benefits, but let's also take inventory of the faults:

1) Since the U.S. runs by a "democratic" system, influencing public opinion will directly control who is elected and what policies they bring; control of media is in the hands of monied interests who finance them; therefore, having the ability to amass large sums of capital directly translates into ability to controll public opinion, and to partially dictate policy as a result. Add to this the fact that monied interests have been shown time and time again to have even more direct and powerful effect on policy through lobbyists, and it begins to seem like it is money righting the laws, not the public interest.

2) The profit motive which guides any and all possible successful companies under such a system generally leads to safe and clean products and procedures, but these are also not top priority- obviously profit is. We can't depend on corporations to regulate their own practices to benefit the whole of humanity's life safety, it is just not in their gameplan. Multi-nationals have proven time and time again they will dump carcinogens into the environment, release sub-standard and dangerous drugs, destroy necessary genetic diversity in agriculture (I'm looking in your direction, Monsanto), and buy-out more progressive and efficient products to continue to profit in the market they have come to dominate. In other words, corporations have given us some good things, but we need to understand that they are entities who are driven by profit above all else.

3) It is generally in the interest of companies to develop more advanced and efficient products and techniques, but as mentioned previously, if they are incapable of expanding into these progressive niches, they will actually block the progress of others as well, to continue to sell outdated and destructive products. For instance, are you telling me the country who figured out how to get the moon using slide-rulers in the 60's can't develop more efficient means of travel than hydracarbon-burning engines, or even advance these more than 30% or so over the course of more than half a century? It is quite hard to argue with artificial delay of progress in cases like these, and it is easy to see in who's interest such delays are occurring.

4) Corporate interest is dictated by short-term gains and quarterly profits. Solutions to our primary problems in society must be conceived of and implemented over the course of a decade or more sometimes. Thus, companies lack the motivation to advance forward-thinking strategies that require time and capital investments, since they cannot glean immediate profits from them. They are forced by the lean necessities of present competition to forgo developing solutions that would not only benefit their own coffers in the long-run, but also all of mankind. Case in point- the Japanese model: the Japanese government plays a far more active role in control of and planning of business efforts (some would so oppressively so, but let's put that aside for now); companies are actually expected to have 50-year plans for growth and development, rather than merely quarterly ones. The result: The Japanse infrastructure, despite economic troubles they faced in the 80's and elsewhere, is enviable by any standards; they have one of if not the most advanced rail-systems for transporting people and freight efficiently at extrememly low cost; they have some of the newest and most well-serviced factory equipment anywhere, and they have an unprecedented amount of automation multiplying production-rates- the Japanese alonea re in possession of about half of the world's industrial robots. So in short, a small island country who was among the losers of a world-war has potentially the greatest infrastructure per-capita of any country in the world.

5) By nature of the "interest" system which dominates our banking structure, wealth is guaranteed to flow out of the hands who possess the least of it, and even money which is saved is guaranteed to deflate in value over-time. When the government prints more currency to pay its debts, it is essentially imposing a from of indirect tax which is invisible to most, but incredibly powerful, as it saps the value directly out of all the U.S. currency anyone who possesses it, including U.S. citizens, and other comapines possessing U.S. debt money, and U.S. currency to trade for oil. Interest also facilitates this kind of tax, but in a more direct way, and as a way of taxing poor people for being poor. Bankining interests can sometimes obtain 2-3 times the value of a real-estate loan merely by interest; and add to this the fact that the fractional reserve system allows them to loan the same money to 10 or so different parties, means that they can multiply the same money in their hands 2000-3000%. This is another way that wealth is guaranteed to leave the hands of the lower class and concentrate into the hands of those who already possess all the capital. Add to this yet another form of taxation interest introduces: since the amount of money is equivalent to all principle possessed, any interest which is due based on that principle is money in excess of what exists. Since now more money is owed than exists, the amount of money needs to grow to compensate, and must deflate in value all the money that existed previously.

Now asking for solutions to these problems is not the same as Communism, which has been demonstrated to be a poltical accident. It is clear that very much good comes from market competition, and that a healthy society needs it to function and grow. This does not mean, however, that companies can be trusted to have everyone's best interests at heart, and will swiftly advance society in an 18th-century magical invisbile air-fairy-hand sort of way (why are we trusting people who never traveled faster than a horse can run, or lived in a world not controlled by state churches with our economic advice?).

It is grossly obvious to any observer that companies can be counted on to place profit above any other goal; this is okay, since once we understand what kind of animals they are, and what their place in society is, we can put in place regulation to use their productive abilities in a contructive manner which can be controlled for the good of all. When we allow corporations to run out of controll, and to amass so much wealth they actually begin to write laws into effect to further their own goals by virtue of the leverage their current wealth already possesses, we clearly have a monster on the loose. I don't care if you call it socialism or bearcloudfoolery, we need a harmony between private interests and companies, and government interests which have a view of the bigger picture in mind, which can regulate companies into producing solutions which make sense in the long term. It is not about a giant shadowy government that controlls everything (eveyrone knows the government is too damn big, and has too many powers), it is about understanding what rights and powers the government needs, and which ones it doesn't. The same people who are angry about the government getting larger and more powerful always somehow seem okay with laws being passed which limit the righst of individuals, and which expand the rights of corporations; so it is not about how big government is- it is about what needs controlling and what doesn't, and how govnerment can work in harmony with coporate interest, without allowing it to run amok.

1079  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: What will REALLY happen in 2012 on: July 17, 2011, 02:39:34
In 2012 it is predicted that earth will leave the current elemental stage and enter spirit.

Predicted by who? This is a crucial detail, haha  wink
1080  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Have you seen the Mother Goddess? on: July 16, 2011, 12:44:04
Please elaborate- it is difficult to know what you might mean exactly...
1081  Spiritual Evolution / Welcome to Spiritual Evolution! / Re: Michael Jackson was close to being a Buddha on: July 12, 2011, 05:44:41
I think the concept "to be a Buddha" is a bit artificial, and hard to define, and I doubt it could describe a person at every moment in their life from a certain point ( maybe that is why we have the "bodhisattva" idea?).

That said, I do think I can follow you where you are going Beavis. Through fleeting moments in his music, and his appearances, you can definitely find a distilled state of understanding and grace, if only for an ephemoral moment. It is also clear that he was a person in deep mental conflict (like most people), and that he felt at times unsure, or lost control. But yes, he was able to muster at discrete times a sublime and timeless shade, and this is what was concentrated into the music he made.
1082  Dreams / Welcome to Dreams! / A vivid, allegorical dream that I recently had on: July 04, 2011, 00:39:33
I generally have very vivid dreams, and can recall almost all of them.

I had another dream with a strong narrative to it last night, that was sort of interesting.

When the dream started, I was building a house entirely out of gypsum-board (stuff that goes behind paint but in front of insulation in walls). I went to take a nap in the dream, and when I woke up, there were two people sleeping in two separate rooms of my constucted home; they both had a handgun with them. I tip-toed into the first room, and silently picked up the revolver the sleeping woman had beside her bedside; I then took the revolver, and walked into the other room, where the man was now awake, and I disarmed him at gun-point. He gave up a glock-looking pistol, which I also pocketed. Then for some bizzare reason I walked away, and left them alone, lol. I procured a cell-phone, and called "911", to ask for the police.

The phone dispatcher asked for the address, and I said it was at the corner of "Rues and Stiles Street". The dispatcher said he didn't know where that was, and that he couldn't help me. I said that should not be an issue, as he had his computer system to search; he said it did not work that way. I said that was alright, and started listing other adjacent streets, and alternative ways to get there. He kept saying that I should hang up, and that he couldn't help people like me. As he said this, I saw the two people from before through a window, walking into my house, and carrying computer equipment and other items out, lol; the man was also re-armed with another pistol. I told the operator that I phsyically saw people committing violent theft in front of me, and he said it was not their problem, haha. I continued to look for ways to get him to help, trying different arguements, as I saw them emptying my house of all its contents one by one, lol. The dispatcher began to get surly, and said that other people's problems were not his concern, and that the 911 service was only for people whom it was meant to serve. The couple then came in, and shot me 7 times; the dispatcher told me not to call ever again, and then I died, and woke up.


If I had to interpret the dream, based on the emotions it generated at the time, I think it has something to do with thinking society is not meeting my needs, and that it is not for "people like me"; I think there is probably an air of truth in that, is I generally seem to take a view that our social structure is dominated by people with interests alien to mine, with political agendas and coporate controlling interests making all the decisions and holding all the power. I think the dream was reflective of my belief that our system victimizes the masses in favor of a few people who receive all the benefit.

1083  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: For those using binarual beats... on: July 02, 2011, 17:50:09
Indeed. They are a tool, but cannot take away the total effort.

OBE is very much something you have to feel out for yourself, not something that can be thrust upon you or induced by tools or devices in wide circulation ( it is debatable whether tools potentially having this capability have been made in lab settings).
1084  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Out of Body Experiences! / Re: For those using binarual beats...Do on: July 02, 2011, 07:24:12

The way this topic was worded... I thought you were commanding people who use these... to continue, lol.

This is a bit of a vague answer, but if I recall, I think there is a version of the brain-wave-generator player-dealy availible for free, and the community associated with the program has produced all sorts of tracks designed to produce various effects. I would be wary of people claiming a certain track to do this or that, as creating effective tracks is very much an empirical art, only advancing through numbers of testers interacting, and on top of this, specific to the individual experiencing it.

There are general guidelines as to what would produce a vibrational state, such as providing a track which comes gradually in cycles from Beta to delta (4 Hz or so), but beyond that, all conjecture, I would imagine.
1085  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Members' Artwork on: June 28, 2011, 20:47:52
You'd think those aliens would get up off the floor... millions upon millions of years to evolve and re-engineer themselves, and they are getting crazy filthy crawling though dirt on the floor all the time.
1086  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Could happen to any one of us on: June 24, 2011, 20:41:25
I appreciate the structure of your responses... you show a dedicated disregard for conventional syntax, and your ideas are expressed in a more fragmented and experential-based stream... in some ways closer to the way we live reality than in the way we typically express it to others.

I must say that it is somewhat difficult for me to establish with certainty sometimes what precisely you intend though... the full meaning of the posts can only be extracted by taking them as wholes, since there are often direct statements that if taken alone, seem to state the exact opposite of what you seem to mean...

You seem at large quite well-intentioned, so I do want to know what you mean at times.
1087  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Could happen to any one of us on: June 24, 2011, 11:48:32
That was a challenging read.

Just curious- what do you mean here when you say "Female life (evil)" ?

Female life (evil) raised to extents of its own power was rescued to end extents by Ping and me.
1088  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: What does everyone think of this? on: June 17, 2011, 09:18:12
Here is the fundamental problem with this reality: since no proof seems to be possible one has to assume the worst. Both Hawkins and Christians have made exactly the same fatal mistake: not having found evidence to support either side, both are using blind faith to excuse them from looking any further. This is an unacceptable risk, IMHO.

Yes, Godsproxy, excusing yourself from the obligation of giving rigorous evidence to bold claims like this is culpable regardless of position.
1089  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: This is quite an interesting video... on: June 14, 2011, 00:01:15
yeah i know what you mean, but lately the same images of the video i posted have been coming out a lot. i think there have been lots of rumours of it coming early in the past, but as it gets to the main date we are seeing a lot of genuine differences in our world, it does make you think. and what did you say about the poles? north is moving you know, 40 miles a year towards russia:

By poleshift, I mean the idea that is often paired with the Niburu concept that the passing planet will alter the axis of rotation of the earth. About a main date: Sitchin, from his reasoning, was claiming that Niburu was coming toward the end of the 21st century, most recently 2085. He only suggested it might come in 2012 in retrospect, citing the Mayan calender concept. So his date of 2012 is more a reflecton of his awareness of the Mayan calender, rather than a corroborating backup of it.

i was unclear, sorry.  i didn't necessarily mean the return of planet x that will destroy life as we know it or anything like that.  sitchin was just the first place i encountered the idea of a second sun or an unknown planet with a large orbit.  i was always really into astronomy as a kid and it was fascinating to me to learn about the possibility of another unknown planet.

That is ok, nothing to be sorry about. I did not necessarily think you were suggesting that per se. I was more commenting on my past experience with images people present claiming them to be Niburu, and how much what is going on at present resembles those instances. Definitely does not mean Niburu is not out there, or even that it won't come next year, or five years from now, etc. All I am really saying here is that this song feels uncomfortably familiar to me. More a reaction on an intuitive level, really...
1090  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: Found a calling on: June 13, 2011, 07:44:01
An... orgonite.... sucker punch???

 cheesy cheesy cheesy
1091  Astral Projection & Out of Body Experiences / Welcome to Astral Projection Experiences! / Re: Summerland Revisited on: June 13, 2011, 07:42:04
Yeah, the Summerland does indeed refer to the nethers. It was taken up again by the 19th century Spiritualists and Theosophists, and in vogue well into mid 20th century.

My name is the street I once lived on  wink
1092  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: This is quite an interesting video... on: June 12, 2011, 22:57:40
That's the thing though. In 1999, they said we were seeing pictures of what Sitchin was talking about, and that it would be here any month. They said the same in 2001, and 2003.  People have been finding flares, dots, and smudges of astronomical images for over a decade now, and calling them Niburu. I might sound jaded about this, but if you heard the people speaking about this the same way, and saying "poleshift imminent" every month, and nothing ever changing really, and then seeing the same images and astronomical artifacts today, a decade later...
1093  World Cultures, Traditions and Religions / Welcome to World Cultures, Traditions and Religions! / Re: Jesus turned water into wine... so who drank it? on: June 12, 2011, 09:39:09
1094  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Planet X on: June 09, 2011, 22:39:46
Well yes, but the reason I say that is because the Mayans did not forsee a poleshift for all we know about them, which implies that the ideas in question are probably a synthesis with the Mayan calender concepts with other eschatologies based on our own modern interpretations of Sumerian writing; because it requires a person to make connections and combine ideas that come from separate traditions, the particular theory the poster has in mind is bound to be highly personalized, meaning it is hard to address the claims made therein without knowing which specific claims there are to begin with, and to know this, you have to know the specific source.
1095  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Planet X on: June 07, 2011, 20:02:14
What you mention is aparently a real story, Shockstuhh, that was common among the Mesoamericans. I think the pole-shift part though may have been combining ideas Zecheria Stichin came up with based on his interpretations (many now take serious academic fault with them) of Sumerian myth and cunieform writing; it sounds a bit like a compound effort of uniting several eschatologies together. But thanks for the story, I was not aware of that one!

Elements of the 13 crystal skulls legend

The basic elements of the 13 crystal skulls legend is that at a pivotal time in humanity's history, the 13 crystal skulls will be reunited to awaken a new era - transforming from an old paradigm into a new world.

Patricio Dominguez - Pueblo Spiritual Advisor: "The crystal skulls are complete depositories of knowledge and each skull contains a particular specialist area of information - like a living library [each skull is like one volume in a set of encyclopedias]. And the people who will in the future be able to 'read' the crystal skulls will only be able to extract all the knowledge from the skulls once they are all assembled together... Of course, the knowledge that is going to come out from the skulls is quite unimaginable to our current minds. But that it is definitely going to come out at a certain time is already foregone. It has been prophesied. But whether we humans then use that knowledge for good or for our own destruction is really down to our preparations."

Many believe that there is a strong connection between the crystals skulls, the Mayans and the Mayan Calendar ending in December 2012. While there is a current belief that more than 13 ancient crystal skull exist (some say 52, or 4 sets of 13), in recent years, the Mayans have spearheaded a grand reunion of North America's indigenous chiefs in an effort to unite forces towards the commonly foreseen future as recounted by the Mayan elders.

According to Mayan Priest/Shaman, Don Alejandro Cirilo Oxlaj Peres: "... The prophecy says now is the time of the awakening. This is your job now, to awaken. The Vale of the Nine Hells is past and the Time of Warning has now arrived. It is time to prepare for the Age of the Thirteen Heavens. The time of 12 Baktun and 13 Ahau is fast approaching, and they shall be here among you to defend Mother Earth. The prophecy says, 'Let the dawn come. Let all the people and all the creatures have peace, let all things live happily', for the love must not only be between humans, but between all living things. They said, 'We are the children of the sun, we are the children of time and we are the travelers in space. May all the songs awaken, may all the dancers awaken. May all the people and all things live in peace for you are the valleys, you are the mountains, you are the trees, you are the very air you breathe'....Now is the time of return of the grandmothers and grandfathers. Now is the time of the return of the elders. Now is the time of the return of the wise ones. And the wise ones are all of you. Now is the time to go out into the world and spread the light. The sacred flame has been kept for this purpose and now the time approaches when you will be required to love all things, to love a world that has gone crazy, to rebalance the heavens and the Earth. For the Time of Warning has come to pass and the Warriors of the Rainbow are now beginning to be born. The Vale of Tears, the Nine Hells, is over and it is time to prepare for the 13 Heavens. The ancestors are returning, my brothers and sisters, and we do not have long. Now is the time that the prophecies will be fulfilled."
1096  2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Welcome to 2012 and The Transition of the Ages / Re: Planet X on: June 07, 2011, 09:08:02
isn't there something about mayan predictions in relation to tilts of the earths axis?
I don't recall anythng like that given to us by the Mayans. Could you tell us where you found this information?
1097  Astral Chat / Welcome to News and Media! / Record companies suing Limewire for $75,000,000,000,000.00 on: June 04, 2011, 06:40:24
You read the title correctly. The RIAA is supporting 13 record companies in their attempt to sue Limewire, a peer-to-peer file distribution service, for 75 trillion dollars. That is about 1.5 times the value of the entire world's GDP over an entire year. Some say that is more money than even exists in the entire world. This sum was arrived at by multiplying the $150 maximum infringment penalty for an individual download times the total number of instances a song was downloaded across all time on limewire.

While the record companies may have a claim of some kind, I think this is great evidence that production companies are out of touch with reality, and that the RIAA has proven itself to be an absurd organization. I think this is also evidence that copyright law needs to be revised to reflect the real-world situation today. We have laws on the book that related to theft and reproduction of printed media in the 19th century now protecting copyright of digital media that can be copied as data with physical copy anywhere in the loop; the laws don't reflect reality or equity anymore, and they don't apply in the same way to contemporary issues. The way music is transmitted and experienced in our culture is not analogous to previous forms of media, and we clearly need to envision modern methods of ensuring that the creators and distributers are justly compensated, while taking note of the part music and digital copies play in our culture.
1098  Integral Philosophy / Welcome to Integral Philosophy! / Re: What is Illusion? on: June 03, 2011, 07:57:17

You should read The Sound and the Fury by William Faulkner, if you haven't, WillIam. It is one of the greatest pieces of understanding ever published in English, and it is a devil to follow and comprehend. It is written from a few different perspectives, all of whom have a different mental disturbance that colors their perceptions. It does not follow a direct chronology, but jumps around from time to time, and from different people's perspectives at random, sometimes after a few words, and this compounded with the fact that most of it is near-imcomprehenisble to start makes it a joy to read. It is read in much the same way that life and existence is experienced- as a stream of connected perceptions and reflections. Faulkner mentioned that he also intended to print every word in a different color.

I mention this because you have been channeling Faulker lately  cheesy
1099  World Cultures, Traditions and Religions / Welcome to World Cultures, Traditions and Religions! / Re: Jesus turned water into wine... so who drank it? on: June 02, 2011, 18:56:47
Anyone know any more about this..?

The story is usually called by another name too, the "Marriage at Cana". Clearly anything anyone could know about it is in the gospel verses that describe it:

John 2: 1-11

1 On the third day a wedding took place at Cana in Galilee. Jesus’ mother was there, 2 and Jesus and his disciples had also been invited to the wedding. 3 When the wine was gone, Jesus’ mother said to him, “They have no more wine.”
   4 “Woman, why do you involve me?” Jesus replied. “My hour has not yet come.”

 5 His mother said to the servants, “Do whatever he tells you.”

 6 Nearby stood six stone water jars, the kind used by the Jews for ceremonial washing, each holding from twenty to thirty gallons.

 7 Jesus said to the servants, “Fill the jars with water”; so they filled them to the brim.

 8 Then he told them, “Now draw some out and take it to the master of the banquet.”

   They did so, 9 and the master of the banquet tasted the water that had been turned into wine. He did not realize where it had come from, though the servants who had drawn the water knew. Then he called the bridegroom aside 10 and said, “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”

 11 What Jesus did here in Cana of Galilee was the first of the signs through which he revealed his glory; and his disciples believed in him.

I don't know that this story is ever mentioned again any other place in Bible. Like many gospel stroies, I think it only occurs in one of the 4 gospels, in this case John.
1100  Astral Chat / Welcome to Astral Chat! / Re: I like drop rides! on: June 02, 2011, 07:48:13
Riding barrels over waterfalls is for old ladies.

Real men wrestle lions at the zoo, ride their cars through the crusher at the junkyard, and say "No" to inner city police.
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